I had to unfollow a certain channel because of the constant denialism and retconning about Coco Chanel's history. I think it's so dangerous to pretend that she was someone other than she was. Thank you for your well-researched work!
Thank you so much, I dont think it serves anyone to deny anything. In germany they actively teach about the war and all the atrocities because to know the past can help us avoid it in the future. I think thats important
@@ritaamor283 I'm guessing they mean Super Dacob. He's quite a fan of Chanel, both the haute couture and the perfumes but he does tend to completely avoid the history of Gabrielle Chanel. An example I can think of is in the No 5 pure parfum video.
7K for a bag that’s now made worse than it was 20 years ago for 2K is just highway robbery. Amidst a pandemic no less. Nvm 90% of ppl purchasing are not even Chanel’s intended customer to be quite frank.
@@underskinYTThe fashion line never change. They present out of this world shows, but the models were the same things every season. I wonder how many more years the allure will last. I personally am not a fan of their perfumes, which are aimed at mature snobbish women. N° 5 is wonderful, I can't compare it to older editions.
@@Lommy9999lol don’t hold your breath waiting on Chanel to go bust. Most folk couldn’t care less about and perceived slight on her reputation. NO. ONE. CARES.
Thank you so much, I’m so proud of this video, and people are watching it well too, but for some reason the algorithm is just not pushing it 🤷 honestly, I think it’s just because Chanel is quite boring
@underskin, or perhaps too many videos claiming she was a nazzi for views ? Perhaps the algorithm is saturated with all that info that don't mention the documents proving she was in no way collaborating with them. Perhaps because the homophobic claims are wildly ridiculous as she created perfume for her gay friend ?
He has on many occassions said Chanel wouldve hated what he did to her brand, but that her own vision was bound to fail (which it was) Hes a phenomenal cultivator of fashion and fashion enterprise, his cosmetics work is a great extension of that, especially with the Chloe perfumes
So interesting, thank you!! I recently saw a Reddit thread where people discussed if supporting Chanel brand is still highlighting anti-Semitism. Your breakdown of the history proves that the company has moved far past Chanel's original influence. Their products have such a lovely fragrance - it makes it fun to put makeup on!
If anything Chanel is the one company that was headed by a Nazi, that really went hard in another direction. If you want to talk about a brand that is still highlighting antisemitism, it’s probably better to look at puma, Adidas, Hugo, Boss 🤷 The only difference with them is that they haven’t glorified their original owner in the way that Chanel has marketed 🤷🤷
@@underskinYT tbh I feel like Chanel as a brand kept pushing the idea of the original designer’s “glory” on thier UA-cam channel in which they recruited famous actors to recreate mini films of her life through time which blinded my perception of her. Particularly “Once Upon a time…” and “The return” by Karl largerfeld Also back in the 2015 I attended the mademoiselle prive a Chanel exhibition at the Saatchi gallery in London which celebrated both her and Karl but the main take away was that Chanel was amazing and we all left with a poster of the event which was coco’s silhouette which back then I was so happy to own but now I can only laugh at my ignorance 😂 Either way I don’t feel like Chanel are that distant from their origins I feel they use coco’s heritage of old and French to sell their goods especially in a world were they designs are so played out. No different to adidas or Hugo boss imo.
@@melltell you absolutely need to watch my fashion video, I really go hard into why Virginie does not get my respect as a designer right now, but also why it might not be her fault
I can't help but laugh looking at pictures of my mom at 40, she spent thousands every year on designer skincare brands but I got a much better result by just sticking to my 50 SPF Nivea sunscreen for 20 years.
My mother spent a decade wearing Helena Rubinstein's whole beauty range - lotion, cream , cleanser, make-up, bronzers; then moved to Givenchy, the whole skincare line aswell. A fortune! She thinks her skin is great because of that - she's 74. What she doesn't realize, to my dismay, is that her mother had also great skin, untill her last days, and only wore pharmacy creams, amd I'm 42 now and just began having the first tiny one or two wrinkles and I buy my creams from the supermarket or use last year's SPF, mostly Nivea's. So I'm not saying that the creams are all the same, what I'm saying is, if genetics is favorable to you, it means you don't have to invest a fortune to keep your skin beautiful, you just buy the basics and it's okay.
Susnscreen is the best skin ageing prevention - not luxury creams. It's the UV filtering that needs to happen on a daily basis, not pleasantly fragrance moisturisers - those are a nice bonus, but don't replace sunscreen.
@@underskinYT I just use the Nivea creme and spf. Cleanse with rose water since don't wear makeup. People think I'm way younger but that is genetics. The thing though my skin now is waaaay better than what it was when I had an expensive skincare routine
Yes, I’ve met people who stick to the most expensive skincare as they thin drugstore doesn’t work efficiently. They refuse to listen to what derms say. Your money, your loss😂
I've loved Chanel fragrances for almost 5 decades. I am relatively new to their skin care, but am long familiar with their makeup. You are right in that nearly all products in the beauty side are consistently good, reliable and trust worthy. There are no doubt better products in each category than Chanel's, but I can walk into a store, buy an item that I think will suit me and walk out knowing the product will perform beautifully for me, even without trying it on. I do not have that fear of taking a gamble, like I do with other brands that introduce and discontinue products constantly. Of I go to Beijing, London or Buenos Aires, an eye brown pencil I ordinarily buy in Melbourne will be the very same product at pretty much the same price. That keeps me going back to Chanel.
Especially nowadays, that companies think that having endless amounts of releases is enough to sustain growth, it’s simply not, it’s needed reliability, in order to have a long-term customer base
Jean Paul Gaultier is the fashion brand that first launched a makeup line for men - Le Male. Decades before Chanel. Bronzer, tinted lip balm, eyeliner etc.
I dont think Ive ever spent so long researching a video (or paper for uni honestly) because I kept getting excited over and over from what I was finding
@@underskinYT well you did poorly. Lots of misinformation and false accusations. If you did an actual research, you’d know that she was NOT a n*zi or a homophobe.
Not even a big makeup or fashion person, but you do such an amazing job in research that I had to subscribed bc you made it so intriguing. My only critique is placing the sources somewhere so we can read it directly. I can def imagine students citing your videos and articles.
Truly, the only reason I don’t is because I go through 100 to 200 different references for each video, and it’s just not easy to cite that many sources by name. I’m always using the written text in my videos as much as I can though, so that if you need to find it, you can write in quotes to google and it will find it for you. If I use a source from another language, the only exception is that I do try to note that down if I use a source from another language so that it is understandable if people find it hard to find
Thank you so much! I tried to get as much info as I possibly could, it took forever but it was so so worth it, esp the Barbara Gould base for almost all their products, who wouldve guessed Chanel was private labelled back then? (Idk if they are now or if theyve come up with their own formulas now)🫣
As for fragrances, Chanel has also maintained a great level of quality in the formula, and consistently. They have nearly no misses in the fragrance range, which cannot be said about other brands like (unfortunately) YSL or Dior, which just put out cheap, easy to sell junk with ever new new new versions that will disappear at the end of the summer. Which is a shame, since those were incredible maisons with amazing scents (think M7, first oud perfume, Diorissimo, a perfect lily of the valley, Kouros, maybe the most sensual fragrance ever, Dune, a strange perfume that makes you travel), though thankfully they still sell those legacy fragrances
I think Chanel may be the only one that hasn’t changed the fragrance formulas over the years as well, I don’t know because I’m not into the fragrances as much as I am anything else, but I was under the impression they were the only one that hasn’t changed any of the scents since the very beginning, except for making the manufacturing a little cheaper
@@underskinYT they've had to change certain ingredients due to the IFRA rules on allergens (for instance), just like everybody else, but they've been far less impacted than others. I don't know if it's just that their noses have done a better job at compensating, or if their fragrances weren't as susceptible to change anyways, but they definitely suffered less than say Dior, or (RIP) YSL Opium
I think first designer make up line for guys was from Jean Paul Gautier "Monsieur". I remember bronzing powder with big kabuki brush, lip balm and crayons for eye brows, somewhere around 2004.
Yeah, somebody else commented that, need to do more research into it, but I wouldn’t put it past JPG to have come out with the first men’s make up line, it fits his brand so well
It’s a bit cruel of me, but I think it’s funny that while she was trying to destroy him, he was already profiting off of her in a way that she had no idea. she was too focused on money to notice that she was being underpaid, and thats on irony
I do agree, from Men perfumery in Designer range. They haven’t release a anything new since 2014 unlike other bands which release flankers non-stop. I do find the scent blends by Chanel is mostly timeless, trustable and yes as you say reliable.
Wow, I had no idea! And here we are glorifying these brands and spending money on them. Thanks for the video, I don’t think I’ll be supporting them now.
I think a lot of people choose not to support for that reason, but luckily they are now Jewish owned, so it kind of balances out for others, I suppose it’s a fine line
Thank you so much for 7 THOUSAND SUBSCRIBERS!! I'm so so proud of this video, hope you like it 🥳 Oh, also, here's the link to the fashion video: ua-cam.com/video/n8vpBVpR3Ds/v-deo.html
I fully agree on the their history and their lackluster skincare and make BUT my favorite scent ever is Mademoiselle. I've had a bottle consistently for over a decade.
I love your content ! I’ve always loved learning about the beauty industry and watching history videos. Now I get to do both ❤ You deserve way more subscribers
There is one product you forgot, which was a creation with Heidi Morawetz: the black red lipstick and nail enamel. I remember its launch in the Nineties, and it made such an impact that it was frequently sold out and had waiting lists.
Really educational video! If Chanel, in 2023, still does not have a diverse range of skin tones catered for in its make up collections, it's likely not by accident.
The first viral Chanel beauty trend was the lipstick color "Vamp" in the mid 90s. Karl actually did the following rtw collection based on a new version of Vamp. He reintroduced it in silver and of course it was a huge flop!
2:47 not sure how Chanel wasn't duped here... She already had Chanel N°5, it was already popular, so why was her share of the new company only 10%?... She was right to be unhappy with her share. I understand the Wertheimers financed everything and basically this was a new brand that they made successful. But I don't blame her for becoming bitter about it. Her actions afterwards though were absolutely appalling...
There were celebrity fragrances before Chanel and very many in between Chanel and Elizabeth Taylor, a lot of the perfumeries that became commercial became commercial with blends that were originally consigned as bespoke fragrances for royalty or socialites - the celebrities of the day so original perfumes were marketed as celebrity fragrances. But if we are talking about traditional celebrities Elizabeth Taylor was not the first celebrity line post Chanel and designers weren't celebrities back then any more than the socialites were when perfume became commercial. Cher had a scent in 1987, there were celebrity fragrances before then.
Youre completely right, yes, the only thing I dosagree with was that Coco wasnt a celebrity, or that designeds werent celebrities because they very much were, they were put in magazines and even on TV on quiz shows. In my Schiaparelli video on my fashion channel you can see actual clips of Elsa on TV if youd like. But yeah, very interesting history of celebrity perfumes all around
@@underskinYT I was just saying Coco wasn't any more of a celebrity than the original aristocracy that commercial perfumes were based on their bespoke perfumes. I was attempting to say that perfume was always based on celebrity to be commercialized.
I’m so glad you enjoyed the channel, thank you so much for watching. The title is in reference to the fact that most of the Chanel products throughout the history have been private labelled and priced up because of the brand name💕
the main question I have remains unanswered by this video: how the hell did they save ther reputation after Coco Chanel had been exposed as a Nazi? Something must have have happened in the 60s and 70s??? Also I find it deeply disturbing how you will find countless pictures of Coco Chanel in French language schools (been to one myself last year) as if she was some sort of national hero. Are the french simply ignorant about this or do they just not care (possibly because there are still strong antisemitic/racist tendencies - especially across the wealthier popluation??)
The truth is its not as widely known outside fans that have looked into it. The brothers and Karl worked exceptionally hard to rebrand her as an icon of fashion innovation and sweep her views under the rug when he came in, and clearly it really worked
There was a musical in 1969 called Coco which earned Katherine Hepburn a Tony nomination. There was movie in 2009 called Coco before Chanel. Recently there has been a museum exhibition on Chanel. I believe the exhibition covered her collaboration with the Nazis and her horrendous behavior during WWII. I think she appeals to popular culture because she was a highly successful woman with a colorful life.
I came upon your channels today, and I just binge-watched a ton of your videos. Great job on this channel and your understitch channel ~ really smart, informative and interesting. Bravo! 👏👏👏😘
Oh and with the S channelSSSSSSS thank you so much 🙌🙌 Im so glad you enjoy my videos so much, new videos are coming this weekend too, a great time to find 🤌🤌🤌
@@darlahays2471 The whole selling point, in its day, was that it smelled artificial. That was the innovative bit. The standard fragrances of the day were single ingredient florals (rose water, orange blossom water), or were blends of distinguishable natural notes. No5 was outstanding because it did not smell natural, but also because it smelled 'like itself', it was so well blended that you couldn't actually distinguish the individual elements that went into it. This was a time when 'chemical' and 'artificial' were things to get exited about, because they were new. It seems weird today, because of our current love of all things natural, in ingredient lists and aesthetics, but people of that era had only known the natural, so synthetic and lab-made were 'fire emoji' marketing terms. I personally really like No5
The Jews of Europe are also 'White', they are just not 'Aryan', as defined by the Nazis. By the way, they rarely used words like 'Christian' or 'White' to denote non-Jews in occupied lands in Western Europe. They did use the term 'Aryan', which was quickly made even more meaningless than it had already been, as it was sometimes applied to non-Jewish ( ie Catholic) Poles, who were often also considered non-Aryan as (in the Nazi way of thinking) subhuman Slavs. Anti-Semites in the United States before World War II would often refer to Jews as 'not White', but Nazi Europe had its own tropes.
Christian White people aren't what Hitler meant by Arian. The Arian race aren't completely human. It's worth researching. WWII was to kill as many White people as possible. The Zionists didn't care who won the war, only that White people died. Oh, and also to get Jews to Israel. The Zionist Jews lived, it was the antizionist ones who died. In order to escape Germany, they had to lie about it.
Hello! love the video. I'm a Fashion student I followed both understitch, and this channel and your videos help a lot with research for my work. I would love to see a video about Tom Ford on both channel! Since he's now will be leaving his brand, what do you think Estee Launder will do with Tom Ford. Thank you!!
I love Tom Ford, I definitely want to do a video on him, but I think his cosmetics may stay exactly the same, are they licensed anyway? He chooses the perfumes, but I think the manufacturing and everything is licensed with Estee Lauder so his role is choose the perfume and conceptualise the concept and then leaves Estee Lauder to do the manufacturing, distribution, promotion and everything, could be wrong though? I know you know more than me on this
@@underskinYT Yes, Estee Lauder own the Tom Ford beauty, but without Tom Ford presents at the brand there are some skeptical of how everything will turn out after 2023 as he will step away. (Hopefully nothing change much to his fragrance line because I love them!)
@@underskinYT I believed that he is the head of creative for the beauty line, with Estee Lauder manufacturing, marketing, and sold Tom Ford Beauty products under a licensing arrangement since 2006 with Black Orchid being the first fragrance. But any more then that I do not know haha
Huh?! I watched the whole video, I don't understand the title of it. What does it mean that it was never worth it? The description of their products is very positive in the video.
I remember Jean Paul Gaultier had a makeup line for men in the 2000's, i think the video campaigns are still on youtube. And I think YSL also had a makeup line for men in the early 2010's. I had a touche éclat from that line.
I remember being a teenager and saving up for their Rouge Noir nail polish. I still love Chanel makeup, I can’t help it. Edit: I also saved up for her skincare around the same time. The cream caused a massive reaction, I think my skin doesn’t tolerate so much fragrance in a face product. Never tried anything since then.
I heard that Nivea Germany is the good one, not the same than the Nivea US, UK, Spain😮...are they using a different formula depending on where you live, climate etc.?
I have some makeup products that were intended for men that I bought in 2005 at Selfridges or Harrods, in London....I don’t remember the brand but I know I still have some of their nail polish somewhere, if I find it, I’ll come back to edit the commment!
Seeing and hearing this makes me think that J Galliano was trying to do the same w his antiemetic tantrum in 2010. Maybe there is a long term plan to install him. I think VV will find her stride there because the house has such broad codes in accessories and wardrobe staples for enough people that her market is already there (I’m passionate too)
Oh Im sure financially she will be fine for a good while, Chanel is Chanel, itll do well with or without her. But when they lose creative credibility, the fall will come from the top down, theyll notice and then kick her out ruining her career (at least imo)
They also aligned with her personal anti-semitic beliefs. Obviously idk if she knew the extent of their evil, but she definitely wanted to support them and use them to further her own wallet, yeah
A couple other people said this in the comments and it makes so much sense for his brand. Maybe Ill do a JOG cosmetics video one day bcs I adore the companys design perspective for fashion and Id like to learn about the cosmetics side
Chanel cosmetics aren’t great at all .. and the skincare is ridiculous. Fragrant substances are In there, which makes the skincare potentially irritating. Also there are no cutting edge technology ingredients in there that are proven to work (superficially of course like all skincare). Better use products for a comparable price (or cheaper ) with ingredients that are actually working. Beauty UA-camrs like Caroline Hirons are great sources of knowledge. Some of the perfumes are great though - especially the private line
@@underskinYT yes sensitive skin likely tells you immediately these products are no good (which is a blessing in disguise). But all of us should use only effective ingredients that are proven not to harm us. Brands like drunk elephant, Kate Somerville etc have all the science behind them. And yes they come at a similar price tag but they work and aren’t harmful! They just don’t have the fancy brand name ..
Per your own video….. they weaseled money out of her…. That’s the extent of her “anti semicism” …. She tried to weasel it back. Yet they knew even when unfavorably seen, her name still has cache so it was continually used.
I've worked in the Cosmetic industry for over 25 years and Chanel is hands down one of my favorite brands. I'm wondering who backed this video Estee Lauder??
I had to unfollow a certain channel because of the constant denialism and retconning about Coco Chanel's history. I think it's so dangerous to pretend that she was someone other than she was. Thank you for your well-researched work!
Loool, why I got a feeling the name of the channel you’re referring to starts with “Super-“. 😉
@@urbansketch94 what’s the channel?
Thank you so much, I dont think it serves anyone to deny anything. In germany they actively teach about the war and all the atrocities because to know the past can help us avoid it in the future. I think thats important
Unfortunately there is always denial about Chanel- or glossed over.
I think more people are becoming aware of who and what she was
@@ritaamor283 I'm guessing they mean Super Dacob. He's quite a fan of Chanel, both the haute couture and the perfumes but he does tend to completely avoid the history of Gabrielle Chanel. An example I can think of is in the No 5 pure parfum video.
7K for a bag that’s now made worse than it was 20 years ago for 2K is just highway robbery. Amidst a pandemic no less. Nvm 90% of ppl purchasing are not even Chanel’s intended customer to be quite frank.
At this point, the fashion line is just marketing for the perfumes 🤷
@@underskinYT Literally, even the shows are look at this bag vibes🤔😑
@@underskinYTThe fashion line never change. They present out of this world shows, but the models were the same things every season. I wonder how many more years the allure will last. I personally am not a fan of their perfumes, which are aimed at mature snobbish women. N° 5 is wonderful, I can't compare it to older editions.
this is absolutely true. i’m glad i’ve never bought anything from the brand
@@Lommy9999lol don’t hold your breath waiting on Chanel to go bust. Most folk couldn’t care less about and perceived slight on her reputation. NO. ONE. CARES.
This channel should absolutely blow up, the quality of the editing and research is amazing!
Thank you so much, I’m so proud of this video, and people are watching it well too, but for some reason the algorithm is just not pushing it 🤷 honestly, I think it’s just because Chanel is quite boring
@underskin, or perhaps too many videos claiming she was a nazzi for views ? Perhaps the algorithm is saturated with all that info that don't mention the documents proving she was in no way collaborating with them. Perhaps because the homophobic claims are wildly ridiculous as she created perfume for her gay friend ?
Girl the aglorithm showed me this video rn! Found your channel through it and def subscribing ❤️
@@underskinYT give it time!
@@jennagalina Agreed. The algorithm suggested me this video too.
Karl Lagerfeld really is a miracle worker! In many ways he truly does embody Chanel herself. This rebrand is remarkable, thank you for this video!
He has on many occassions said Chanel wouldve hated what he did to her brand, but that her own vision was bound to fail (which it was) Hes a phenomenal cultivator of fashion and fashion enterprise, his cosmetics work is a great extension of that, especially with the Chloe perfumes
So interesting, thank you!! I recently saw a Reddit thread where people discussed if supporting Chanel brand is still highlighting anti-Semitism. Your breakdown of the history proves that the company has moved far past Chanel's original influence. Their products have such a lovely fragrance - it makes it fun to put makeup on!
If anything Chanel is the one company that was headed by a Nazi, that really went hard in another direction. If you want to talk about a brand that is still highlighting antisemitism, it’s probably better to look at puma, Adidas, Hugo, Boss 🤷 The only difference with them is that they haven’t glorified their original owner in the way that Chanel has marketed 🤷🤷
@@underskinYT Interesting. I wasn't aware.
Fascinating that a Nazi was funded by a Jew.
Chanel is owned by jewish family now
@@underskinYT tbh I feel like Chanel as a brand kept pushing the idea of the original designer’s “glory” on thier UA-cam channel in which they recruited famous actors to recreate mini films of her life through time which blinded my perception of her. Particularly “Once Upon a time…” and “The return” by Karl largerfeld
Also back in the 2015 I attended the mademoiselle prive a Chanel exhibition at the Saatchi gallery in London which celebrated both her and Karl but the main take away was that Chanel was amazing and we all left with a poster of the event which was coco’s silhouette which back then I was so happy to own but now I can only laugh at my ignorance 😂
Either way I don’t feel like Chanel are that distant from their origins I feel they use coco’s heritage of old and French to sell their goods especially in a world were they designs are so played out. No different to adidas or Hugo boss imo.
It’s truly remarkable how Chanel has completely revamped their image.
Honestly yeah, to go from the most hated to the most loved person in cosmetics has certainly been a feat 😮💨
But in mine opinion is the latest show Haute Couture quite boring. It’s like Virginie lost the soul of Chanel
To be fair, Chanel is Jewish owned now.
@@melltell you absolutely need to watch my fashion video, I really go hard into why Virginie does not get my respect as a designer right now, but also why it might not be her fault
@@aBirdAndHisBoy the cosmetics almost always were, and everything else has been for 70 years 🙌
Gautier launched a makeup line for men in the mid 90’s. It was discontinued in the early 2000’s
Omg thank you! I had no idea!
@@underskinYT Guess society wasn't ready 4 it then...
@@underskinYT Guess society wasn't ready 4 it then...
Calvin Klein and Prada had beauty lines too, I still have a couple of their items.
I can't help but laugh looking at pictures of my mom at 40, she spent thousands every year on designer skincare brands but I got a much better result by just sticking to my 50 SPF Nivea sunscreen for 20 years.
Nivea is some seriously good product
My mother spent a decade wearing Helena Rubinstein's whole beauty range - lotion, cream , cleanser, make-up, bronzers; then moved to Givenchy, the whole skincare line aswell. A fortune! She thinks her skin is great because of that - she's 74. What she doesn't realize, to my dismay, is that her mother had also great skin, untill her last days, and only wore pharmacy creams, amd I'm 42 now and just began having the first tiny one or two wrinkles and I buy my creams from the supermarket or use last year's SPF, mostly Nivea's.
So I'm not saying that the creams are all the same, what I'm saying is, if genetics is favorable to you, it means you don't have to invest a fortune to keep your skin beautiful, you just buy the basics and it's okay.
Susnscreen is the best skin ageing prevention - not luxury creams. It's the UV filtering that needs to happen on a daily basis, not pleasantly fragrance moisturisers - those are a nice bonus, but don't replace sunscreen.
@@underskinYT I just use the Nivea creme and spf. Cleanse with rose water since don't wear makeup. People think I'm way younger but that is genetics. The thing though my skin now is waaaay better than what it was when I had an expensive skincare routine
Yes, I’ve met people who stick to the most expensive skincare as they thin drugstore doesn’t work efficiently. They refuse to listen to what derms say. Your money, your loss😂
Thank you for adding the years at the bottom it's super helpful! Love these video essays.
Im so glad that was helpful to you 🙌
I've loved Chanel fragrances for almost 5 decades. I am relatively new to their skin care, but am long familiar with their makeup. You are right in that nearly all products in the beauty side are consistently good, reliable and trust worthy. There are no doubt better products in each category than Chanel's, but I can walk into a store, buy an item that I think will suit me and walk out knowing the product will perform beautifully for me, even without trying it on. I do not have that fear of taking a gamble, like I do with other brands that introduce and discontinue products constantly. Of I go to Beijing, London or Buenos Aires, an eye brown pencil I ordinarily buy in Melbourne will be the very same product at pretty much the same price. That keeps me going back to Chanel.
Especially nowadays, that companies think that having endless amounts of releases is enough to sustain growth, it’s simply not, it’s needed reliability, in order to have a long-term customer base
Jean Paul Gaultier is the fashion brand that first launched a makeup line for men - Le Male. Decades before Chanel.
Bronzer, tinted lip balm, eyeliner etc.
I need to make a video on him, he’s such an icon of mine
aaaand black nail and silver polish. one was called playboy, the black maybe :)
Guerlain actually introduced a bronzing powder for men ("Terracotta Men") in 1988.
@@MauriceRivers415 But Guerlain is not a fashion brand. JPG and CC are.
@@alantes I know that, and I was bringing some context to the conversation. Makeup for men is not a new concept, no matter who did it first. 💯
I never knew Chanel had such a crazy history! It’s amazing how they revamped it even after all the controversy.
I dont think Ive ever spent so long researching a video (or paper for uni honestly) because I kept getting excited over and over from what I was finding
@@underskinYT well you did poorly. Lots of misinformation and false accusations. If you did an actual research, you’d know that she was NOT a n*zi or a homophobe.
Not even a big makeup or fashion person, but you do such an amazing job in research that I had to subscribed bc you made it so intriguing. My only critique is placing the sources somewhere so we can read it directly. I can def imagine students citing your videos and articles.
Truly, the only reason I don’t is because I go through 100 to 200 different references for each video, and it’s just not easy to cite that many sources by name. I’m always using the written text in my videos as much as I can though, so that if you need to find it, you can write in quotes to google and it will find it for you. If I use a source from another language, the only exception is that I do try to note that down if I use a source from another language so that it is understandable if people find it hard to find
That is such an elaborate research 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 well done!
Thank you so much! I tried to get as much info as I possibly could, it took forever but it was so so worth it, esp the Barbara Gould base for almost all their products, who wouldve guessed Chanel was private labelled back then? (Idk if they are now or if theyve come up with their own formulas now)🫣
Tried a few items out of Chanel makeup line and hated every single one of them. Considering the pricing I was hugely disappointed. Never looked back
If its not for you its not for you 🤷
As for fragrances, Chanel has also maintained a great level of quality in the formula, and consistently. They have nearly no misses in the fragrance range, which cannot be said about other brands like (unfortunately) YSL or Dior, which just put out cheap, easy to sell junk with ever new new new versions that will disappear at the end of the summer. Which is a shame, since those were incredible maisons with amazing scents (think M7, first oud perfume, Diorissimo, a perfect lily of the valley, Kouros, maybe the most sensual fragrance ever, Dune, a strange perfume that makes you travel), though thankfully they still sell those legacy fragrances
I think Chanel may be the only one that hasn’t changed the fragrance formulas over the years as well, I don’t know because I’m not into the fragrances as much as I am anything else, but I was under the impression they were the only one that hasn’t changed any of the scents since the very beginning, except for making the manufacturing a little cheaper
@@underskinYT they've had to change certain ingredients due to the IFRA rules on allergens (for instance), just like everybody else, but they've been far less impacted than others. I don't know if it's just that their noses have done a better job at compensating, or if their fragrances weren't as susceptible to change anyways, but they definitely suffered less than say Dior, or (RIP) YSL Opium
@@ambergris5705what they done to my two favourites….opium and rieve gauche breaks my heart
I think first designer make up line for guys was from Jean Paul Gautier "Monsieur". I remember bronzing powder with big kabuki brush, lip balm and crayons for eye brows, somewhere around 2004.
Yeah, somebody else commented that, need to do more research into it, but I wouldn’t put it past JPG to have come out with the first men’s make up line, it fits his brand so well
Guerlain actually introduced a bronzing powder for men ("Terracotta Men") in 1988.
The fact Wertheimer got to make money during the war and rip Chanel off is pretty satisfying.
It’s a bit cruel of me, but I think it’s funny that while she was trying to destroy him, he was already profiting off of her in a way that she had no idea. she was too focused on money to notice that she was being underpaid, and thats on irony
I do agree, from Men perfumery in Designer range. They haven’t release a anything new since 2014 unlike other bands which release flankers non-stop. I do find the scent blends by Chanel is mostly timeless, trustable and yes as you say reliable.
Reliability is becomign one of the most important factors in cosmetics, people what something reliable and find it hard to do so
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Wow, I had no idea! And here we are glorifying these brands and spending money on them. Thanks for the video, I don’t think I’ll be supporting them now.
I think a lot of people choose not to support for that reason, but luckily they are now Jewish owned, so it kind of balances out for others, I suppose it’s a fine line
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I fully agree on the their history and their lackluster skincare and make BUT my favorite scent ever is Mademoiselle. I've had a bottle consistently for over a decade.
It sells very well, must have a huge fan base for sure
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There is one product you forgot, which was a creation with Heidi Morawetz: the black red lipstick and nail enamel. I remember its launch in the Nineties, and it made such an impact that it was frequently sold out and had waiting lists.
Do you know, I don’t remember that at all, I should look it up
Really educational video! If Chanel, in 2023, still does not have a diverse range of skin tones catered for in its make up collections, it's likely not by accident.
you dont need to say that twice
The first viral Chanel beauty trend was the lipstick color "Vamp" in the mid 90s. Karl actually did the following rtw collection based on a new version of Vamp. He reintroduced it in silver and of course it was a huge flop!
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2:47 not sure how Chanel wasn't duped here... She already had Chanel N°5, it was already popular, so why was her share of the new company only 10%?... She was right to be unhappy with her share. I understand the Wertheimers financed everything and basically this was a new brand that they made successful. But I don't blame her for becoming bitter about it. Her actions afterwards though were absolutely appalling...
There were celebrity fragrances before Chanel and very many in between Chanel and Elizabeth Taylor, a lot of the perfumeries that became commercial became commercial with blends that were originally consigned as bespoke fragrances for royalty or socialites - the celebrities of the day so original perfumes were marketed as celebrity fragrances. But if we are talking about traditional celebrities Elizabeth Taylor was not the first celebrity line post Chanel and designers weren't celebrities back then any more than the socialites were when perfume became commercial. Cher had a scent in 1987, there were celebrity fragrances before then.
Youre completely right, yes, the only thing I dosagree with was that Coco wasnt a celebrity, or that designeds werent celebrities because they very much were, they were put in magazines and even on TV on quiz shows. In my Schiaparelli video on my fashion channel you can see actual clips of Elsa on TV if youd like. But yeah, very interesting history of celebrity perfumes all around
@@underskinYT I was just saying Coco wasn't any more of a celebrity than the original aristocracy that commercial perfumes were based on their bespoke perfumes. I was attempting to say that perfume was always based on celebrity to be commercialized.
I might need my morning coffee first, but the title of the video doesn't make sense to me.
Great content, so glad i stumbled upon your channel
I’m so glad you enjoyed the channel, thank you so much for watching. The title is in reference to the fact that most of the Chanel products throughout the history have been private labelled and priced up because of the brand name💕
the main question I have remains unanswered by this video: how the hell did they save ther reputation after Coco Chanel had been exposed as a Nazi? Something must have have happened in the 60s and 70s??? Also I find it deeply disturbing how you will find countless pictures of Coco Chanel in French language schools (been to one myself last year) as if she was some sort of national hero. Are the french simply ignorant about this or do they just not care (possibly because there are still strong antisemitic/racist tendencies - especially across the wealthier popluation??)
The truth is its not as widely known outside fans that have looked into it. The brothers and Karl worked exceptionally hard to rebrand her as an icon of fashion innovation and sweep her views under the rug when he came in, and clearly it really worked
There was a musical in 1969 called Coco which earned Katherine Hepburn a Tony nomination. There was movie in 2009 called Coco before Chanel. Recently there has been a museum exhibition on Chanel. I believe the exhibition covered her collaboration with the Nazis and her horrendous behavior during WWII. I think she appeals to popular culture because she was a highly successful woman with a colorful life.
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Chanel no 5 is literally the nastiest smelling perfume out there.
Its so unique that I think it helps it really stand out
It's nothing like the original. Not the one my Mom wore. And certainly not the one that Marilyn Monroe wore..it's too artificial and cloying.
I like it. It smells so completely different to everything else I have and the man enjoys it
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@@darlahays2471 The whole selling point, in its day, was that it smelled artificial. That was the innovative bit. The standard fragrances of the day were single ingredient florals (rose water, orange blossom water), or were blends of distinguishable natural notes. No5 was outstanding because it did not smell natural, but also because it smelled 'like itself', it was so well blended that you couldn't actually distinguish the individual elements that went into it. This was a time when 'chemical' and 'artificial' were things to get exited about, because they were new. It seems weird today, because of our current love of all things natural, in ingredient lists and aesthetics, but people of that era had only known the natural, so synthetic and lab-made were 'fire emoji' marketing terms. I personally really like No5
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Thank you so much, from this point onwards I shall only wear Lacroix and a tiara at all times
The Jews of Europe are also 'White', they are just not 'Aryan', as defined by the Nazis. By the way, they rarely used words like 'Christian' or 'White' to denote non-Jews in occupied lands in Western Europe. They did use the term 'Aryan', which was quickly made even more meaningless than it had already been, as it was sometimes applied to non-Jewish ( ie Catholic) Poles, who were often also considered non-Aryan as (in the Nazi way of thinking) subhuman Slavs. Anti-Semites in the United States before World War II would often refer to Jews as 'not White', but Nazi Europe had its own tropes.
Very interesting ty
Christian White people aren't what Hitler meant by Arian. The Arian race aren't completely human. It's worth researching.
WWII was to kill as many White people as possible. The Zionists didn't care who won the war, only that White people died.
Oh, and also to get Jews to Israel. The Zionist Jews lived, it was the antizionist ones who died. In order to escape Germany, they had to lie about it.
Thanks for the clarification.
Guerlain had a terracotta bronzer for men in 1988
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Excellent research!
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They're pulling out of department stores in North America. Sales aren't what they were.
I think theyre doing it on purpose to create an idea of exclusivity
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Your French is far better than mine. Thanks for making this video.
Once upon a time I was quite good at french, but I havent practiced in years
The fact that it turns out that the Coco was a nasty human being and a user of men makes me regret all the No5's I bought
for my mother in the past.
Well, if it makes you feel any better, little of that money went into her pocket 😂
love this series
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What an incredible analysis! You're doing a wonderful job at these. :)
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Your videos are amazing! Also I love your voice haha
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This really explained it for me thank you for your hard work!
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Your research work is amazing!
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Hello! love the video. I'm a Fashion student I followed both understitch, and this channel and your videos help a lot with research for my work. I would love to see a video about Tom Ford on both channel! Since he's now will be leaving his brand, what do you think Estee Launder will do with Tom Ford. Thank you!!
I love Tom Ford, I definitely want to do a video on him, but I think his cosmetics may stay exactly the same, are they licensed anyway? He chooses the perfumes, but I think the manufacturing and everything is licensed with Estee Lauder so his role is choose the perfume and conceptualise the concept and then leaves Estee Lauder to do the manufacturing, distribution, promotion and everything, could be wrong though? I know you know more than me on this
@@underskinYT Yes, Estee Lauder own the Tom Ford beauty, but without Tom Ford presents at the brand there are some skeptical of how everything will turn out after 2023 as he will step away. (Hopefully nothing change much to his fragrance line because I love them!)
Do you know how much influence he had in the business side of the business during his time at Estee Lauder? Or was he mostly just the creative side?
@@underskinYT I believed that he is the head of creative for the beauty line, with Estee Lauder manufacturing, marketing, and sold Tom Ford Beauty products under a licensing arrangement since 2006 with Black Orchid being the first fragrance. But any more then that I do not know haha
Huh?! I watched the whole video, I don't understand the title of it. What does it mean that it was never worth it? The description of their products is very positive in the video.
All iconic 🤗
Parfumerie should be sold in more little bottles.
Lowering prices in size and therefore selling more. 🤗
You used to be able to get samples of it
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I remember Jean Paul Gaultier had a makeup line for men in the 2000's, i think the video campaigns are still on youtube. And I think YSL also had a makeup line for men in the early 2010's. I had a touche éclat from that line.
Yeah, somebody else commented that JPG had a line as well, but I thought the touche eclat was from the womens line? (I had it even)
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Your French is so good!
Merci beaux coupe
I believe Aramis for men had skincare products for men back in the day and Jean Paul Gautier had mens cosmetics in 2007.
Oh yeah JPG did for sure, but I didnt know about Aramis
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What about Vamp lipstick and nail polish in the 90s that everyone had to have?
I literally don’t remember this at all, I’ll have a Google 🥰
Vamp changed everything, is copied to this day! Definitely cult status!
I remember being a teenager and saving up for their Rouge Noir nail polish. I still love Chanel makeup, I can’t help it.
Edit: I also saved up for her skincare around the same time. The cream caused a massive reaction, I think my skin doesn’t tolerate so much fragrance in a face product. Never tried anything since then.
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Thank you so much!
I heard that Nivea Germany is the good one, not the same than the Nivea US, UK, Spain😮...are they using a different formula depending on where you live, climate etc.?
I have some makeup products that were intended for men that I bought in 2005 at Selfridges or Harrods, in London....I don’t remember the brand but I know I still have some of their nail polish somewhere, if I find it, I’ll come back to edit the commment!
I remember man-scara being a thing around that time, so maybe it was something to do with that? (But in my recollection, it wasn’t luxury make up?)
You give perfection in your videos and such a rich history . A Pleasure .
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Chanel products are tested on animals to this day, so for me, they can eff-off.
They want to sell in china, so they have to 😬
I'm not much into their cosmetic or skin care line...I'm intrigued by their handbags!
I did a whole fashion video that goes over all of the history of that, I highly recommend it 💕
Always buy No. 5 for mom. I knew she was associated with Nazis, and that she skated punishment that others received. Didn’t know it was this deep.
Luckily the people truly behind it (the wertheimers) won out in the end
Seeing and hearing this makes me think that J Galliano was trying to do the same w his antiemetic tantrum in 2010.
Maybe there is a long term plan to install him. I think VV will find her stride there because the house has such broad codes in accessories and wardrobe staples for enough people that her market is already there (I’m passionate too)
Oh Im sure financially she will be fine for a good while, Chanel is Chanel, itll do well with or without her. But when they lose creative credibility, the fall will come from the top down, theyll notice and then kick her out ruining her career (at least imo)
I love Chanel no5❤
It’s still so popular even 100 years later
I got a Chanel ad when I clicked on this video. Lmaoooooooo
Jean Paul Gaultier launched a mens line of makeup before Chanel...
Yeah a few people commented this, super super interesting
This is outstanding
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Superb content
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I am a huge fan of Coco Mademoiselle but I honestly hate No 5. The smell is just too pungent for me.
Its defijitely acquired taste, bit like Marmite, those that love it really do love it
Amazing video 💖💖
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Gtfo! I didn’t know Chanel started the different lighting that we literally all use on our ring lights! So crazy!
Its a take on diffusion lighting for sure, but soft boxing has existed for decades before Chanel used it in stores
Chanel has gotten too big for its britches and has become a bunch of snobs. I rarely buy from them and when I do it's NEVER directly from Chanel.
You mean Chanel the fashion house or the beauty line?
I can see why she supported the Nazis. It’s all about the money for her. It’s a means to take the wealth of Wertheimers.
They also aligned with her personal anti-semitic beliefs. Obviously idk if she knew the extent of their evil, but she definitely wanted to support them and use them to further her own wallet, yeah
jean paul gaultier had a make up line for men in the 90s ;)
A couple other people said this in the comments and it makes so much sense for his brand. Maybe Ill do a JOG cosmetics video one day bcs I adore the companys design perspective for fashion and Id like to learn about the cosmetics side
@@underskinYT I saw the comments afterwards. It was a small range, but way ahead of its time. Congratulations on the great work 😘
The green nailpolish colour is realy ugly 😂
They also had a dark cherry one that was everywhere, but I cant admit to liking that very much
No Bleu de Chanel ??? 😢
Another banger video
Track 1 bb
😢 i love their Tweed Beige blush, is my absolute favourite
Terrible name, good product
She saved our military with Marilyn Monroe
Chanel cosmetics aren’t great at all .. and the skincare is ridiculous. Fragrant substances are In there, which makes the skincare potentially irritating. Also there are no cutting edge technology ingredients in there that are proven to work (superficially of course like all skincare). Better use products for a comparable price (or cheaper ) with ingredients that are actually working. Beauty UA-camrs like Caroline Hirons are great sources of knowledge.
Some of the perfumes are great though - especially the private line
I also find perfumed products extremely difficult to use, I have exceptionally dry and irritable skin, so I totally understand what you mean
@@underskinYT yes sensitive skin likely tells you immediately these products are no good (which is a blessing in disguise). But all of us should use only effective ingredients that are proven not to harm us. Brands like drunk elephant, Kate Somerville etc have all the science behind them. And yes they come at a similar price tag but they work and aren’t harmful! They just don’t have the fancy brand name ..
I don’t understand the appeal of Chanel perfume….it was boring like a detergent
Its an acquired taste fs, but those that like it really do love it
I remember read this channel number 5 cause marlyn Monroe knowing use this perfume from one of popular comments on jurnalis
That moment was so iconic though
@@underskinYT hopefully you can explain the situation of Revlon cosmetics 👁️👄👁️🌟
This was a great video but the title of the video is really misleading and doesn't reflect the thesis of the video at all. Weird.
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Jean Paul Gaultier was the first HC house which has launched, as first, a makeup line meant for male costumers.
Ah thank you!! I knew there mustve been one!
Jean Paul Gaultier had a men's cosmetics line.
Yes! Someone else in the comments said this! Im desperate to learn more!
At 9:32 you said number 5 and it is number 1
Thank you 🩵
I love how this anti semitic designer was trumped by Jews.
Thats how I see it too, almost like a sort of karma or justice
Per your own video….. they weaseled money out of her…. That’s the extent of her “anti semicism” …. She tried to weasel it back. Yet they knew even when unfavorably seen, her name still has cache so it was continually used.
@@alejandromolinac she was antisemitic well before she knew the wertheimers actually, its quite well documented
I just subscribed to your channel...and now I am gone again.
It happens sometimes, yt takes people off channels when their algorithm thinks something may be awry. Its cool tho, glad youre back 💕
I've worked in the Cosmetic industry for over 25 years and Chanel is hands down one of my favorite brands. I'm wondering who backed this video Estee Lauder??