Joscha Bach - From Computation to Consciousness
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- Dr. Joscha Bach (MIT Media Lab and the Harvard Program for Evolutionary Dynamics) is an AI researcher who works and writes about cognitive architectures, mental representation, emotion, social modeling, and multi-agent systems.
He is founder of the MicroPsi project, in which virtual agents are constructed and used in a computer model to discover and describe the interactions of emotion, motivation, and cognition of situated agents.
Bach’s mission to build a model of the mind is the bedrock research in the creation of Strong AI, i.e. cognition on par with that of a human being. He is especially interested in the philosophy of AI and in the augmentation of the human mind.
July 25th, 2017 - Наука та технологія
The tiny section of this that was on neuroscience was better than an entire neuroscience degree
Amazing Dr. Bach.
Why doesn't he mention predictive processing? Isn't that what he's taking about?
I was hoping for better closure on that. I appreciate the modeling but it seemed to get to consciousness by some hand-wavy activity.
there are more videos of him where he goes further
"You are a story your brain tells itself" sounds nice, but it is quite hand wavy -- however, it doesn't really capture the experience of the feeling of consciousness. I can buy that there is a "conductor" or a storyteller, organizing memories and stitching together the experience, but who is it playing for and why should it *feel* like something.
If the brain is playing a movie to itself, who is the audience?
And that's where you run into the problem. It's a little like saying "God created the universe" -- who created God? In this case, you're still stuck with who is appreciating he orchestra, or who (or what part of the brain) is watching the movie, and moreover, why should that exist as an experience -- why does it feel like something to be me watching that movie, rather than a bat (to borrow another example)?
If he is saying it is merely an epiphenomenon, he should just say that.
@@666andthensome Good thoughts, and I'd add - in the intervening time I've come to think a lot more highly of Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash's take on things, and I even see it offered in some sense with Stephen Wolfram's take on the universe as a hypergraph. Functionalism with multiple realizability, the way Hoffman and Prakash seem to use the analogy of informational contracts between conscious agents creates new conscious agents which are something like an information set or rubber-band between those conscious agents (Hoffman talks about the the left and right brain halves of a split brain patient not noticing the difference with or without the corpus callosum). I can't be 100% sure that he and Prakash are right about all of it but they seem to be offering the tidiest explanation and needless to say it helps a lot of odd gaps close that reductive materialism generally needed to jump up and down on or jam under the carpet.
@@carbon1479 I need to take a look at more of Hoffman's talks -- any suggestions for one or two that "close the gaps" so to speak.
@@666andthensome There's a lot of them. One of the ones that I had a few of my friends watch was the one zdoggmd had, geeky interviewer and questions but - similar to Tom Bilyeu - in his case it works. In the IAI interview where he's out by a pond or lake he gets into a lot of good stuff toward the end of that, particularly his sense of the map on how many two-bit agents stack to render a human being (and IMHO render a universe with many contracts above that person in the stack). I've seen several others by now including Tom Bilyeu, one where Curt Jaimungal tries to drag out more math on Better Left Unsaid, Annaka Harris had him on Making Sense a while back for three hours which was pretty good, also his book 'The Case Against Reality' is on UA-cam on a couple channels.
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At 15:35 Joscha slips into German for a word
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