This will be the 48th announcement of a revolutionary solid state battery that will do 1,000 miles on a single 3 minute charge... Coming to a car near you in 2075.
"MIT startup, 24M, has designed an EV battery with a range of 1,000 miles on a single charge." So it'll be around 5 years or so and we'll have it in cars.
Five years ago it was a story that people almost didnt believe. Now theres working prototypes and to some extent, powerbanks using that kind of batteries
as far as I know, they figured out the mechanism and compositions, like that very first transistor. Now they have to find out how to mass-produce for comsumers and build up supply chains.
They said production would start in 2027 but because of the price of these packs they are only going to be available for luxury and super cars at least in the first few years.
This is NONESENSE. Batteries required power to charge to the SQUARE of the resistance. So the FASTER you charge the actual power requirement are SQUARED which means entire new charging systems DO NOT EXIST to charge in the retail environment. You would need upwards of 62,000 amps to charge this nonsense. This is a TOTAL JOKE
@@fladave99 - The joke is that morons actually thumbed you up. This country is so doomed. A 150kWh battery pack, providing the typical EV's average 4 miles/kWh efficiency, is likely what they're talking about here as this would provide 600 miles per charge. To charge a 150kWh pack in 9 minutes (nominally) would require a 1,000 kW (nominal) charger. If these new batteries are genuinely 500Wh/kg then this battery pack will be only half the weight of today's best Li-ion batteries. If using the older 400V charging architecture this would require about 2,500 amps. If using the newer 800V charging architecture this would require about 1,250 amps. Except for Tesla's mega chargers (for their semi) most available EV charging stations presently offer between 150kW and 350kW charging power so these would require upgrading. But 62,000 amps? WTF are you talking about? Might want to stick to selling cars there Flavor-Flav Dave. Math or technical subjects aren't your strong points.
@@WillBecker Go to MGUY. he did a big research in this. The real problem is that this crap is a total scam. Batteries are LIMITED TO DENSITY. Nothing can change physics. None of this is real world. But the REAL problem is that pound for pound gas is 6x more powerful than batterys.
Making TVs at high yield is hard because of demand and some chips I assume. Machines to make electronics are probably cheaper than before, but upfront costs are the highest in production.
1k? no,.... 200 wh/kg , maybe... diesel is 12000 wh/kg (((w and wh are two different things, just the name is similar; half of the u-tubers do not know the difference)))
@@josepeixoto3384200 wh/kg is already achievable today and many cars have been near that number for years. SSB is supposed to multiply that density number and that is why everyone is super excited about them making their way to the everyday cars in the future. While diesel energy density is at a whole different level, you should keep in mind that diesel engines are less efficient than electric motors, diesel engines are much much heavier than electric motors, they are more complicated, more expensive to run and maintain, and if one cares more harmful to the environment over the life of the vehicle. If SSBs truly deliver on the promises, the gas and diesel applications will be limited to few special use cases and EVs will be the better choice in almost all applications.
@@josepeixoto3384And not only is Jet fuel vastly more energy dense, but the planes burn it as they fly so they get lighter and lighter, improving fuel economy. A battery basically weighs the same empty and at a full charge.
Even when it first comes out, it'll be insanely expensive (like $millions bucks expensive). Only billionaire will be able to afford. It'll be another 20y (or 30y) until price comes back down enough so millionaire can own one
@@mukamuka0 what utter nonsense. There is no reason at scale why a solid state should be more than a current li-on battery. In fact, if it uses lithium metal nodes then it can be less at scale
@@speedismyfriend May 16, 2024, China’s lead on EV battery innovation has not slipped an inch Insights from Nikkei Asia, TechCrunch, CNN The world is lagging behind China on EV battery innovation to the extent that global manufacturers are barely able to compete. Japanese auto giant Nissan, for instance, last month announced a “breakthrough” in the development of solid-state batteries - light alternatives with longer range compared to traditional lithium-ion EV batteries. But China beat them to the punch. In April, EV maker Nio became the first manufacturer to commercially roll out solid-state batteries in their cars, complete with the promise that they are fully replaceable. Meanwhile, China also opened its first large-scale sodium-ion battery energy storage station, which could pave the way for next-gen EV batteries that do not rely on scarce, pricey lithium. The race underscores the concern in Europe and the US that China faces little real competition when it comes to EVs. Semafor 👇 China's battery and car makers have joined forces as part of a government-led drive to build a solid-state battery supply chain by 2030. SCMP
@@mukamuka0 You have no idea what you are talking about, you can already buy solid state batteries, which are about 10-20% more expensive than lithium ion batteries.
A 20 year lifespan is quite awesome. The last thing anybody wants to do when buying a used Evie is to have to replace the battery eventually it is super high prices that they charge for those things so yes, this will go along way towards helping to use the market once these things come around.
Or a bank of super capacitors far too large to fit into a car but more practical for a charging station could deliver a flash charge at almost any current.
You would have to pay a premium to charge those batteries on the go. It might be cheaper to buy dinner for two and charge at 50kw than just pay for a 500kw and rush for your toilet break. I guess having both options is good but for me ... Well I like a good dinner.
My first PC cost 3x what a high end gaming pc costs today... and was out of date by the time I took it out of its box! It was still a really good buy when I consider the career boost I got from being computer literate.
Thirty five years back, New Scientist magazine, reported on the lack of improvement in vehicle's batteries. In the last ten years, some thirty five new batteries have been developed.
@@michaelnurse9089 and that is my argument on the anti EV crowd when they say EVs have been around for 200 years...yeah but for the last 100 years there has been zero investment and innovation. In the last 20 years, billions are being plowed into the tech and it shows.
Have we invented anything so new we could not have done this with batteries earlier or is it just we are now focusing on it and if had all started a decade earlier we would be a decade ahead of where we are now ?
You mean like Tylenol and Acetomenophen and other generic knockoffs that do the same thing. The day a battery comes out that is better than what Tezzlugh uses, they will incorporate it into their cars. There is nothing newer or better than what Tezzlugh uses.
if the cars end up costing 200k dollars in the beginning equipped with this kind of batteries, with the rate technology evolves, we could see by the year 2030-2031 this kind of batteries in cars that would cost 20-30k dollars
600 miles of range here in West Virginia translates to 200 realtime miles. Problem is I regularly drive 250 miles a day working. A Tesla will only get about 125 miles which is pretty useless.
@@knisterkultur476 if Samsung battery is 500kmh per kg, then the Jetson EVOL battery system would weight 60lbs, if it used Samsung solid state battery.
The pace of 🔋 tech break-thru is an tell of the rapid progress of the new energy industry. When was the last time there was a truly new ICE technology?
MOTORTREND just revealed the TOMAHAWK TX. Actually, the TOMAHAWK TX will be predominantly a car/truck engine in the future. Instant start, instant torque on & off, Etc. less maintenance than an EV. As far as the BTE, @ 90-95% BTE electric motor electric drive systems ALL energy consumption considered over 200K mi and 15 years has the same carbon energy MPGE as the average ICE in production today with less than half the BTE & simple low-cost regenerative breaking, and, actually beats the EV in total energy consumed. A true 69% ICE that reduces weight instead of adding it will produce average real-world MPG of 120-160 and will beat the EV in every single category soundly with nowhere to go. Even a doubling of safe battery power density would only improve the EV by 8-10%, STILL no contest for the TOMAHAWK. SO, just comparing BTE #s is very short sighted.
Actually, the TOMAHAWK TX will be predominantly a car/truck engine in the future. Instant start, instant torque on & off, Etc. less maintenance than an EV. As far as the BTE, @ 90-95% BTE electric motor electric drive systems ALL energy consumption considered over 200K mi and 15 years has the same carbon energy MPGE as the average ICE in production today with less than half the BTE & simple low-cost regenerative breaking, and, actually beats the EV in total energy consumed. A true 69% ICE that reduces weight instead of adding it will produce average real-world MPG of 120-160 and will beat the EV in every single category soundly with nowhere to go. Even a doubling of safe battery power density would only improve the EV by 8-10%, STILL no contest for the TOMAHAWK. SO, just comparing BTE #s is very short sighted.
Actually, the TOMAHAWK TX will be predominantly a car/truck engine in the future. Instant start, instant torque on & off, Etc. less maintenance than an EV. As far as the BTE, @ 90-95% BTE electric motor electric drive systems ALL energy consumption considered over 200K mi and 15 years has the same carbon energy MPGE as the average ICE in production today with less than half the BTE & simple low-cost regenerative breaking, and, actually beats the EV in total energy consumed. A true 69% ICE that reduces weight instead of adding it will produce average real-world MPG of 120-160 and will beat the EV in every single category soundly with nowhere to go. Even a doubling of safe battery power density would only improve the EV by 8-10%, STILL no contest for the TOMAHAWK. SO, just comparing BTE #s is very short sighted.@@peteralflat281
Actually, the TOMAHAWK TX will be predominantly a car/truck engine in the future. Instant start, instant torque on & off, Etc. less maintenance than an EV. As far as the BTE, @ 90-95% BTE electric motor electric drive systems ALL energy consumption considered over 200K mi and 15 years has the same carbon energy MPGE as the average ICE in production today with less than half the BTE & simple low-cost regenerative breaking, and, actually beats the EV in total energy consumed. A true 69% ICE that reduces weight instead of adding it will produce average real-world MPG of 120-160 and will beat the EV in every single category soundly with nowhere to go. Even a doubling of safe battery power density would only improve the EV by 8-10%, STILL no contest for the TOMAHAWK. SO, just comparing BTE #s is very short sighted.
Amprius announced they had a comparable battery over a year ago, then a month later CATL said they had the same battery. Supposably, they will open a gigwatt hour scale factory in Colorado. If they can pull that off, they will hopefully be able to sell their batteries much cheaper.
You'd have that today if it wasn't for the software and hardware needing allllllll the power. Put a modern battery in a Nokia 6010 and it'd last for months.
But a Nokia 6010?(the last Nokia I had was a 5110) wouldn't last for months. A modern iphone battery has about 3x the capacity of the Nokia 5110 batt (it's much smaller of course). So the Nokia used to last a couple of days (max) between charges. With an iPhone battery it would last maybe a week.
Batteries will get better and cheaper that's all that matters, I like that this is a competitive product and everyone will enjoy it. Gasoline is not competitive, customers get one to choose(monopoly).
@@frederiksen666 nope evs are more complex and they do have more issues do some research. they have thousands of tiny traces on circuit boards that can bork that car from corrosion.
It would be wonderful if we were given the option to add these batteries in any capacity we desire. If you want a family car and don't mind the extra weight or cost, you can choose the maximum size of your choice.
Good coverage, as always. Although longevity is important to me, I prioritize range. More range equals more freedom. Give me 500 highway miles and I’m sold.
@@rozonoemi9374 500 EPA rated miles maybe, but not 500 highway miles. There’s a big difference. My model 3 is rated for 348 miles, but only gets about 250 highway miles.
@@WilliamMorfin Maybe you should slow down. My 2018 Model 3 LR RWD still does 360km @ 80% at posted speed limit. Even with ICE cars you will barely get 500 miles on a full tank if you have a lead foot.
@@rozonoemi9374 360km is 223 miles. I drive at 70 mph on long trips, which is peak performance speed for highway driving. Like I said, I’m waiting for true 500 mile range.
I’ll hold my breath waiting for one of these. (Trouble is, I’ll likely be dead and buried by then.) If I had a dollar for every wild battery claim I’d be richer than rich.
About the 500 kW charge speeds. I suspect a car with 500 kW charge capability would not taper off towards the end of the charge cycle when using a slower charger. If this is correct, that would make them significantly faster to charge anyway.
The benefit of 9 minute charging is you plug into a 350kw charger and you actually get 350kw all the way to 80%. Maybe even 100%. That’s 500 miles in under 30 minutes.
would it make more sense for these solid state batteries to be used for aviation? with high purchase price of small planes the increased cost of SSB would be a much smaller percentage and any additional upfront cost would be quickly offset by the massive maintenance costs of aviation ICE and that's before you count the extremely reduced running/fuel costs i think samsung is being clever here with just marketing/field testing at this point by pushing these to auto manufacturers - but i think they'll pivot with commercialisation and we'll get our first serious EV small passenger aircrafts which with 5-10 years we bring the economies of scale imho
We'll start to see cars being replaced by flying personal vehicles for the masses in the next 5y. No more traffic, speeding tickets, true autopilot. But yeah, risk of crashing, parking might not be easy, weather conditions might hinder mobility.
@@Competitiveforlolz Flying personal vehicles will never be allowed by your masters. UNLESS they're autonomous AND owned by a big corporation. But even then the FAA may not allow it.
This is a big development though, scaling up from small batteries for applications like pacemakers to a car sized battery. Hopefully it won't take 6 years for manufacturing improvements to bring the cost down to where ordinary non-hypercar vehicles can start using them.
The batteries are miraculous, now if Samsung can just build a power grid here in the US that is capable of charging even 10% of the cars I'll get excited.
What the hell happened to your eye 👁? Anyway, I love your work even though I'm getting mixed messages about the future of EVs. I don't know who's correct, but appreciate your enthusiasm and hard work.
I believed 35 yrs ago eventually cars would go electric. It's happening I don't think we r turning back. Put it another way, the planet and humans will not make it into the 22nd century still rolling around in ice cars...
My first car was a used 280ZX. It had a 24-gallon gas tank and could easily make 600 miles. In fact, it had a second fuel gage that only covered the last 1/4 of the tank.
20 year lifespan of a battery typically means that it’s energy storage has only dropped by X% as I understand it. I would assume that’s the same for solid state batteries as it still uses a chemical reaction to store/discharge energy, whereas ultra capacitors (sadly will never have an energy density of us3 for EVs) don’t use a chemical reaction to store energy hence a 20 or 40/50 year…. Lifespan basically means in always holds the same energy density
Great info. It's been leaked out these solid state batteries floated by Samsung will consist of a lot of silver which explains it's compactness and long life and range. But if this is the case, with some people putting numbers out like a kilo of silver per battery, this would limit how many batteries could be manufactured as there won't be enough silver to supply this need. So you would then be correct in projecting no mass production by 2030. It will be expensive and it will be limited to luxury and high performance vehicles.
I wonder if the huge range translates to improved towing range, albeit a lower range just like our current batch of vehicles. The towing range is what holds me back for now.
Having a solid-state battery that charges fast, has incredible energy density, lasts for thousands of charge cycles, and can be had for a reasonable cost is like energy from nuclear fusion. It's going to be forever forty years away for another fifty years.
@@pradhyudh True I was thinking of those places by the freeway where we have all trafic maybee we have 10 of those in our country (sweden), but they probably allready have those superchargers.
Great vlog. Nice to see respectful debate about battery technologies. I think people are getting too hooked up on range. Weight & efficiency should be the priority. I don't see an argument to wait for solid state, although it's clear companies are trying to use it to slow down EV adoption.
Samsung is a pretty amazing multi-faceted company. Did you know they have a huge pharmaceutical manufacturing division? They even make the unbelievably complex Monoclonal Anti-Body (MAB) based drugs which is impressive. So it's not all that surprising that they have put together a team that figured out the chemistry and manufacturing of a solid state battery,
If anything, I believe it should be the charging stations that need their own battery storage to immediately provide power, and not the grid having to ramp up and down to fit the needs at the moment
Charge time is easy to calculate. It will depend on the capacity of the battery and the kwh of your charger and can the battery handle that load. Presumably they have engineered a battery that can handle charged.
It’s been great that CATL and Tesla have pushed down the price of batteries actually being produced. It is also great that other companies have been putting money into the pipe dream that is solid state batteries. Because without that investment over the last decade that pipe dream would never have been realized.
While I understand the apprehension over the electrical grid being able to handle these loads I would argue the increase in range would limit the need to fast charge. I rarely need to use a supercharger on my 2018 M3 LR but if you doubled my range I would more than likely make my supercharger use practically unnecessary aside from very long road trips.
The challenge has always been in creating a design which can be "mass produced" at a reasonable price. Lots of companies have created small lots of lab-queen cells. Samsung is just one of a dozen who have achieved this. I will only get excited if I see them available for sale to the mass market at a purchase-friendly price.
I could see charging stations with power banks to offset the high electric demands. They can recharge on low demand times. Perhaps they will be the plastic batteries I have been reading about. I don't see solar panels incorporated to the stations since they wouldn't provide much, but you never know.
Take a look of the Kempower charging stations. European and they say they are looking to megawatt charging. I guess that might be for trucks, buss and train though.
A 20 year life on the EV battery, that's wild. Very few of us keep a car that long but given that life expectancy new car sales would eventually plummet as they just simply wouldn't be worn out. Replace seat covers, suspension bushings and door seals maybe, but no exhaust systems, no transmissions to speak of, the gear reduction hardly qualifies as a transmission, no wonder some car manufactures are dragging their feet going into the EV market.
@@capnkirk5528 ok so according to you if many people do wrong things then it's fine...cool. I don't whine, I state facts, that viking's channel has turned in the last months in a piece of garbage. All clickbaits, same old info again and again....
Versions of LFP and the Blade batteries are being installed in vehicles. He isn't talking about vehicle manufacturers who are putting these into cars. He's talking about battery companies who are developing battery technology. It doesn't sound like you've ever been involved in what it takes to bring a product from prototype testing to full-scale manufacturing and then market integration.
Samsung has already sent pre-production demos to several car companies. This isn't vaporware. Sometimes a lot of battery claims are fake to drive stock price. In this case the battery actually exists which IS newsworthy IMO.
Personally watching less of his content, his attitude of glee when talking about companies going bankrupt and people losing their jobs is very unpleasant. Then the recent further selling his soul to the China EV market thing. There are far more well presented and balanced people who do content.
It takes 5 years for new battery technology to reach mass market. Tesla’s 4680 has been announced in 2020. Tesla is still struggling to get costs down. Solid state batteries are no different. There’s also the lead up to new vehicle designs to take advantage of Samsung’s technology.
Hold on, I just realized something about the 9 minute charging. Couldn’t a reserve system be placed on the side so it works alongside the infrastructure? If that was installed in between the chargers and infrastructure then there would be no issue with getting 9 min charging up and running and wouldn’t hurt infrastructure.
Another point is that yes the price will come down as production ramps up, but what new issues come up as a result of the chemistry these batteries use?
Average home has a 100 amp breaker. You would need over 2,000 amps just to supply the charging power. That's powering over 20 homes. That's like selling tires that can handle 1000 mph for your car.
Losses in a wire is via the formula current squared times resistance. Pushing very high current through a wire will increase charging losses. So there is a tradeoff for this super fast charging, and the cables will have to be water cooled if you are going to push this much current through them. Also semiconductors are not great at high current, so the DC to DC converter will also be wasting power.
Water cooled cable is already implemented for CCS2 type DC chargers. But not on NACS type (used in the US, based on Tesla standard). CCS2 chargers are used throughout the world, Europe, Asia, South America etc.
Great insight I not yet heard about, so thanks for that! One thing no one seems to talk about are the issues that imply we may not see 600 mile batteries out of manufacturer decisions based on usage statistics, rather than hopeful dreams of ideology. They aren't stating the actual size or weight of the batteries, so we must assume they are comparing the typical current battery to an equivalent physical size. (If the power density & price increase but the weight drops, the only constant remaining is volume.) Current car manufacturers know, that consumers readily accept, demonstrated by purchasing, 200 to 400 miles range. So, based on this, if the new solid state batteries hold 2x the charge in the same volume, the manufacturers are simply going to use 1/2 the batteries to maintain the same range as is current while reducing battery weight/volume/and now cost. If the new solid stat was 2x as expensive, and only 1/2 as much is used, then net gain as far as price & mileage appears to be no change. However, due to the volume & weight decrease, the cars are lighter (an additional mileage gain) and easier/cheaper to manufacture. These changes should further reduce the car costs due to manufacturing rather than battery cost. I'm sure the "long range" option in some vehicles may provide those 2x gains at 2x the price, but most people use cars locally or regionally and don't need 400+ miles on a charge. I'm referring to the people (myself included) who refill their petrol only 1x per week. I'm hoping I'm way off as I'd love to charge my car every 2 weeks and know that if we all could do that, the grid may actually support all of us. But knowing manufacturing and marketing done by auto companies, I don't see these ranges falling into consumer hands. Use on semi trucks for long hauls is another story all together!
I remember watching a tech programme on TV 20 years or so back, OLED TVs at £20,000 a unit!! The presenter said it was debatable whether they could bring the price down for the mass market. Yep 👍
Its not an oxide based solid state battery but a sulfide based (probably journalism mistake). Samsung has been known to research sulfide based solid state batteries for years. I doubt it will be able to mass produce "oxide" based solid state batteries so quickly.
In all honesty battery tech is advancing at roughly the same speed as Chip manufacture. Meaning the trends of battery advancement are start to approach Moore's law. In this case the battery energy density is roughly doubled while the cost is halved every couple of years. Again i am saying it's approaching that level but has yet to actually do it. Either way EVs are the future of all vehicles.
600 miles range. Short recharge. Maybe in Southern California with no wind or hills. In a Northern Montana in the winter, probably about half. As you said, it's going to be decades, and when fully functional and deployed, it will be only for the "Special People."
Finally an established global company with an excellent track record is announcing a Solid State battery. Since it's Samsung, i expect to see them in production soon.
I am not so pessimistic - I think < 5 years before we see a 500 miles range EV at a mid-market price (~55k USD). Personally for a person who need super long range I feel 600 is the sweet spot. That is about what most people would consider max one day driving distance. Charge at hotel or Airbnb and get back on the road for longer trips. I do PA for FL drive (1000 miles) all the time (~15 times per year). 500 would be too tight to do without supercharging. 600 would be spot on. Yes I hate flying :)
I have to wonder whether these types of innovations and breakthroughs - wondrous as they are - also have a negative effect in dissuading those otherwise on the verge of springing for an EV today, instead motivating them to switch to an ICEV - new or used - and hold out a little longer for better-value EV improvements.
I’ve been hearing that it will take 1 kilogram of silver to produce the battery for one vehicle. Imagine the increase in industrial silver demand that will result if true!
9 min charging for 75kWh battery would require 500kW charging rate, which is doable. There have been a number of > 500kW DC Fast Chargers developed, just not deployed because right now there's no car that will take it. The Tesla V4 dispensers can support it, they just need V4 Charging equipment behind them (right now they're using V3 charging equipment.)
A smaller battery (say 30kWh) would be lighter making the vehicle more efficient and, if it charges quickly (which solid state batteries do) then a 30kWh charge could take just 5-10 minutes. Just enough time to get to the toilet and back... A 30kWh pack would also mean double the number of vehicles from the same kWh of battery. This is a win-win-win!
Energy density of 500 wh/k is great but the price will be a big factor since non-solid state batteries are available reaching 400 wh/k. If we get range of 400 miles in a pack that would be plenty, I could drive fast on road-trips. The impact of silicon anodes is very near. I think solid state is never going to get wide commercialization without a cost breakthrough.
THE RANGE IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. It means NOTHING. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us the KWH's per KG ie The energy density. That is the figure we need and the charge rate 2/3/4/5 C ????
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This will be the 48th announcement of a revolutionary solid state battery that will do 1,000 miles on a single 3 minute charge... Coming to a car near you in 2075.
I am getting it September 2024. Please provide your list of 48
"MIT startup, 24M, has designed an EV battery with a range of 1,000 miles on a single charge."
So it'll be around 5 years or so and we'll have it in cars.
@@colinwiseman Why wait 5 years if it is here now?!🤔😡🥺
Just in time for your Home Fusion Unit to charge it up!!
It's already made and given to some car companies for testing, and will be mass-produced in 2027.
Five years ago it was five years away and here we are still five years away.
Just like GTA6
Five years ago it was a story that people almost didnt believe. Now theres working prototypes and to some extent, powerbanks using that kind of batteries
as far as I know, they figured out the mechanism and compositions, like that very first transistor. Now they have to find out how to mass-produce for comsumers and build up supply chains.
They said production would start in 2027 but because of the price of these packs they are only going to be available for luxury and super cars at least in the first few years.
Battery of the week goes to Samsung. Excited to see who next week's winner will be.
This is NONESENSE. Batteries required power to charge to the SQUARE of the resistance. So the FASTER you charge the actual power requirement are SQUARED which means entire new charging systems DO NOT EXIST to charge in the retail environment. You would need upwards of 62,000 amps to charge this nonsense. This is a TOTAL JOKE
Why would an anti-EV troll be excited about battery technology?
@@fladave99 - The joke is that morons actually thumbed you up. This country is so doomed. A 150kWh battery pack, providing the typical EV's average 4 miles/kWh efficiency, is likely what they're talking about here as this would provide 600 miles per charge. To charge a 150kWh pack in 9 minutes (nominally) would require a 1,000 kW (nominal) charger. If these new batteries are genuinely 500Wh/kg then this battery pack will be only half the weight of today's best Li-ion batteries. If using the older 400V charging architecture this would require about 2,500 amps. If using the newer 800V charging architecture this would require about 1,250 amps. Except for Tesla's mega chargers (for their semi) most available EV charging stations presently offer between 150kW and 350kW charging power so these would require upgrading. But 62,000 amps? WTF are you talking about? Might want to stick to selling cars there Flavor-Flav Dave. Math or technical subjects aren't your strong points.
@@fladave99 If you square resistance, why would you have squared speed?
@@WillBecker Go to MGUY. he did a big research in this. The real problem is that this crap is a total scam. Batteries are LIMITED TO DENSITY. Nothing can change physics. None of this is real world. But the REAL problem is that pound for pound gas is 6x more powerful than batterys.
The price is always adjustable, these things aren’t made of gold. Remember when a flat TV was $10,000? And making TVs at high yield is VERY difficult.
Once they figure out how to put spyware into batteries like they do with TVs to subsidize the cost, the price will drop like a rock.
They are saying over a kilo of silver for the average ev
There made out of silver though!
@@adamavis101 About 1200 dollars worth
Making TVs at high yield is hard because of demand and some chips I assume. Machines to make electronics are probably cheaper than before, but upfront costs are the highest in production.
Silver’s a buy then !
Maybe a bit of energy too.
No rush though , unless these batterias aren’t the usual vapourware .
For sure stack on #silver
At 1K watts per Kg. The Economics for Aircraft comes into play.
1k? no,.... 200 wh/kg , maybe... diesel is 12000 wh/kg
(((w and wh are two different things, just the name is similar; half of the u-tubers do not know the difference)))
3:38 from 500wh/kg to 1000in the future
@@josepeixoto3384200 wh/kg is already achievable today and many cars have been near that number for years.
SSB is supposed to multiply that density number and that is why everyone is super excited about them making their way to the everyday cars in the future.
While diesel energy density is at a whole different level, you should keep in mind that diesel engines are less efficient than electric motors, diesel engines are much much heavier than electric motors, they are more complicated, more expensive to run and maintain, and if one cares more harmful to the environment over the life of the vehicle.
If SSBs truly deliver on the promises, the gas and diesel applications will be limited to few special use cases and EVs will be the better choice in almost all applications.
@@josepeixoto3384And not only is Jet fuel vastly more energy dense, but the planes burn it as they fly so they get lighter and lighter, improving fuel economy. A battery basically weighs the same empty and at a full charge.
I’ll believe it when one of these batteries makes it way into a car.
And doesn’t explode.
Even when it first comes out, it'll be insanely expensive (like $millions bucks expensive). Only billionaire will be able to afford. It'll be another 20y (or 30y) until price comes back down enough so millionaire can own one
@@mukamuka0 what utter nonsense. There is no reason at scale why a solid state should be more than a current li-on battery. In fact, if it uses lithium metal nodes then it can be less at scale
@@speedismyfriend
May 16, 2024,
China’s lead on EV battery innovation has not slipped an inch
Insights from Nikkei Asia, TechCrunch, CNN
The world is lagging behind China on EV battery innovation to the extent that global manufacturers are barely able to compete.
Japanese auto giant Nissan, for instance, last month announced a “breakthrough” in the development of solid-state batteries - light alternatives with longer range compared to traditional lithium-ion EV batteries.
But China beat them to the punch. In April, EV maker Nio became the first manufacturer to commercially roll out solid-state batteries in their cars, complete with the promise that they are fully replaceable. Meanwhile, China also opened its first large-scale sodium-ion battery energy storage station, which could pave the way for next-gen EV batteries that do not rely on scarce, pricey lithium.
The race underscores the concern in Europe and the US that China faces little real competition when it comes to EVs.
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China's battery and car makers have joined forces as part of a government-led drive to build a solid-state battery supply chain by 2030.
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@@mukamuka0 You have no idea what you are talking about, you can already buy solid state batteries, which are about 10-20% more expensive than lithium ion batteries.
A 20 year lifespan is quite awesome. The last thing anybody wants to do when buying a used Evie is to have to replace the battery eventually it is super high prices that they charge for those things so yes, this will go along way towards helping to use the market once these things come around.
They'll sandbag the battery's capabilities. A battery that lasted that long would not be good for profits.
Sam, thank you for keeping us updated on this. Nice reporting!
Charge station buffer batteries can allow very fast charging with any grid capacity
Or a bank of super capacitors far too large to fit into a car but more practical for a charging station could deliver a flash charge at almost any current.
You would have to pay a premium to charge those batteries on the go. It might be cheaper to buy dinner for two and charge at 50kw than just pay for a 500kw and rush for your toilet break. I guess having both options is good but for me ... Well I like a good dinner.
My first cellphone in 1983 was $2,800 and huge. My first computer took up my whole desk and was only DOS.
My first PC cost 3x what a high end gaming pc costs today... and was out of date by the time I took it out of its box! It was still a really good buy when I consider the career boost I got from being computer literate.
And ran on 5.25" floppies!
@@AllDogsAreGoodDogs mine was top of the line (for a day) and had 3.5" as well! 80 MB of RAM. WOWZA
An iPhone today will still cost you $2800.
@@GumnutsX Now do home prices 1983 to today and iphone capabilities then and now.
Thirty five years back, New Scientist magazine, reported on the lack of improvement in vehicle's batteries. In the last ten years, some thirty five new batteries have been developed.
Innovation outputs === investment inputs
@@michaelnurse9089 and that is my argument on the anti EV crowd when they say EVs have been around for 200 years...yeah but for the last 100 years there has been zero investment and innovation. In the last 20 years, billions are being plowed into the tech and it shows.
Have we invented anything so new we could not have done this with batteries earlier or is it just we are now focusing on it and if had all started a decade earlier we would be a decade ahead of where we are now ?
Out of those 35 'new developed' batteries, how many have resulted in practical, affordable and useful productive products?
You mean like Tylenol and Acetomenophen and other generic knockoffs that do the same thing.
The day a battery comes out that is better than what Tezzlugh uses, they will incorporate it into their cars.
There is nothing newer or better than what Tezzlugh uses.
if the cars end up costing 200k dollars in the beginning equipped with this kind of batteries, with the rate technology evolves, we could see by the year 2030-2031 this kind of batteries in cars that would cost 20-30k dollars
That’ll never happen!
600 miles of range here in West Virginia translates to 200 realtime miles. Problem is I regularly drive 250 miles a day working. A Tesla will only get about 125 miles which is pretty useless.
Electric aviation would be one of the initial markets.
Hydrogen and or biofuels are the way forward for aviation, electric batteries just aren’t advanced enough, nor will they be for decades.
Tip? Never drink Bong Water!
At 1KW/Kg a person can fly for an hour (10KW =10Kg) with a drone.
I think >1KW/Kg means transition of humans into angels.
Don't think a 5000 ton plane will get off the ground ?
@@knisterkultur476 if Samsung battery is 500kmh per kg, then the Jetson EVOL battery system would weight 60lbs, if it used Samsung solid state battery.
The pace of 🔋 tech break-thru is an tell of the rapid progress of the new energy industry. When was the last time there was a truly new ICE technology?
World war 2, that's when intercoolers turbines and other innovations came into being, since then progress has been glacial.
MOTORTREND just revealed the TOMAHAWK TX. Actually, the TOMAHAWK TX will be predominantly a car/truck engine in the future. Instant start, instant torque on & off, Etc. less maintenance than an EV. As far as the BTE, @ 90-95% BTE electric motor electric drive systems ALL energy consumption considered over 200K mi and 15 years has the same carbon energy MPGE as the average ICE in production today with less than half the BTE & simple low-cost regenerative breaking, and, actually beats the EV in total energy consumed. A true 69% ICE that reduces weight instead of adding it will produce average real-world MPG of 120-160 and will beat the EV in every single category soundly with nowhere to go. Even a doubling of safe battery power density would only improve the EV by 8-10%, STILL no contest for the TOMAHAWK. SO, just comparing BTE #s is very short sighted.
Actually, the TOMAHAWK TX will be predominantly a car/truck engine in the future. Instant start, instant torque on & off, Etc. less maintenance than an EV. As far as the BTE, @ 90-95% BTE electric motor electric drive systems ALL energy consumption considered over 200K mi and 15 years has the same carbon energy MPGE as the average ICE in production today with less than half the BTE & simple low-cost regenerative breaking, and, actually beats the EV in total energy consumed. A true 69% ICE that reduces weight instead of adding it will produce average real-world MPG of 120-160 and will beat the EV in every single category soundly with nowhere to go. Even a doubling of safe battery power density would only improve the EV by 8-10%, STILL no contest for the TOMAHAWK. SO, just comparing BTE #s is very short sighted.
Actually, the TOMAHAWK TX will be predominantly a car/truck engine in the future. Instant start, instant torque on & off, Etc. less maintenance than an EV. As far as the BTE, @ 90-95% BTE electric motor electric drive systems ALL energy consumption considered over 200K mi and 15 years has the same carbon energy MPGE as the average ICE in production today with less than half the BTE & simple low-cost regenerative breaking, and, actually beats the EV in total energy consumed. A true 69% ICE that reduces weight instead of adding it will produce average real-world MPG of 120-160 and will beat the EV in every single category soundly with nowhere to go. Even a doubling of safe battery power density would only improve the EV by 8-10%, STILL no contest for the TOMAHAWK. SO, just comparing BTE #s is very short sighted.@@peteralflat281
Actually, the TOMAHAWK TX will be predominantly a car/truck engine in the future. Instant start, instant torque on & off, Etc. less maintenance than an EV. As far as the BTE, @ 90-95% BTE electric motor electric drive systems ALL energy consumption considered over 200K mi and 15 years has the same carbon energy MPGE as the average ICE in production today with less than half the BTE & simple low-cost regenerative breaking, and, actually beats the EV in total energy consumed. A true 69% ICE that reduces weight instead of adding it will produce average real-world MPG of 120-160 and will beat the EV in every single category soundly with nowhere to go. Even a doubling of safe battery power density would only improve the EV by 8-10%, STILL no contest for the TOMAHAWK. SO, just comparing BTE #s is very short sighted.
Amprius announced they had a comparable battery over a year ago, then a month later CATL said they had the same battery. Supposably, they will open a gigwatt hour scale factory in Colorado. If they can pull that off, they will hopefully be able to sell their batteries much cheaper.
This is correct.
More factories producing what we want, smaller, faster, better batteries now.
Just imagine the run time for Teslabot and the ease of quick charging with these new Samsung batteries 😱
Yeah, it can hunt someone down for days.....
@@shakehandswithdanger788220 years
Advance notice: Next week there will be a 1100km battery from Japan that charges in 2 minutes.
with only one fourth of the current, so you don't have to cool the connectors.
LOL!
Yup, it's just a matter of when not if. Patience grasshopper
What's the point, I can't pee that fast/s.
You're joking, but if it were true that would be a badly needed boost for the Japanese.
It's probably Game changing
I want this too be an upgrade for my mobile phone! 2 weeks battery time with 10mins to charge 😅
You'd have that today if it wasn't for the software and hardware needing allllllll the power. Put a modern battery in a Nokia 6010 and it'd last for months.
But a Nokia 6010?(the last Nokia I had was a 5110) wouldn't last for months. A modern iphone battery has about 3x the capacity of the Nokia 5110 batt (it's much smaller of course). So the Nokia used to last a couple of days (max) between charges. With an iPhone battery it would last maybe a week.
@@mondotv4216 You just made his point. Just without the internet hyperbole.
@@mondotv4216 do iphones still require 30% charge to boot back up? Because Android.
@@colinwisemanThey no longer become the indestructible IED meme anymore overnight.
Batteries will get better and cheaper that's all that matters, I like that this is a competitive product and everyone will enjoy it. Gasoline is not competitive, customers get one to choose(monopoly).
electric vehicles are less reliable 10,000 pieces per car my 2014 honda crv has much less parts.
LMAO HYBRIDS ARE OUTSELLING EVS IN CHINA MUAHAHAHAHAHAH
@@billybobbob3003No, you are so wrong…
All EVs have lets part than ICE and less complicated and less repairs.
@@frederiksen666 nope evs are more complex and they do have more issues do some research. they have thousands of tiny traces on circuit boards that can bork that car from corrosion.
@@billybobbob3003far too many moving parts that need regular service in ice cars.😊
It would be wonderful if we were given the option to add these batteries in any capacity we desire. If you want a family car and don't mind the extra weight or cost, you can choose the maximum size of your choice.
Good coverage, as always. Although longevity is important to me, I prioritize range. More range equals more freedom. Give me 500 highway miles and I’m sold.
There is already BEV that can do 500 miles of range, Lucid Air, Tesla Model S, Chinese Zeeker, etc.
@@rozonoemi9374
500 EPA rated miles maybe, but not 500 highway miles. There’s a big difference. My model 3 is rated for 348 miles, but only gets about 250 highway miles.
@@WilliamMorfin Maybe you should slow down. My 2018 Model 3 LR RWD still does 360km @ 80% at posted speed limit. Even with ICE cars you will barely get 500 miles on a full tank if you have a lead foot.
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360km is 223 miles. I drive at 70 mph on long trips, which is peak performance speed for highway driving. Like I said, I’m waiting for true 500 mile range.
I’ll hold my breath waiting for one of these. (Trouble is, I’ll likely be dead and buried by then.) If I had a dollar for every wild battery claim I’d be richer than rich.
We will see if they can actually mass produce it
About the 500 kW charge speeds. I suspect a car with 500 kW charge capability would not taper off towards the end of the charge cycle when using a slower charger. If this is correct, that would make them significantly faster to charge anyway.
Nice point and agreed. This would mean the last 20% is a no brainer to do.
Pie in the Sky, but every little cloud has the potential to drop a little beneficial rain somewhere.
That's typical for new tech to start in high end products and work it's way down in subsequent years. So this is cool!
Great job Sam. Love the new battety chemistry updates.
The benefit of 9 minute charging is you plug into a 350kw charger and you actually get 350kw all the way to 80%. Maybe even 100%. That’s 500 miles in under 30 minutes.
would it make more sense for these solid state batteries to be used for aviation?
with high purchase price of small planes the increased cost of SSB would be a much smaller percentage and any additional upfront cost would be quickly offset by the massive maintenance costs of aviation ICE and that's before you count the extremely reduced running/fuel costs
i think samsung is being clever here with just marketing/field testing at this point by pushing these to auto manufacturers - but i think they'll pivot with commercialisation and we'll get our first serious EV small passenger aircrafts which with 5-10 years we bring the economies of scale imho
We'll start to see cars being replaced by flying personal vehicles for the masses in the next 5y.
No more traffic, speeding tickets, true autopilot.
But yeah, risk of crashing, parking might not be easy, weather conditions might hinder mobility.
@@Competitiveforlolz When you think about it, a car is just a plane without wings.
@@Competitiveforlolz Flying personal vehicles will never be allowed by your masters. UNLESS they're autonomous AND owned by a big corporation.
But even then the FAA may not allow it.
This is a big development though, scaling up from small batteries for applications like pacemakers to a car sized battery. Hopefully it won't take 6 years for manufacturing improvements to bring the cost down to where ordinary non-hypercar vehicles can start using them.
The batteries are miraculous, now if Samsung can just build a power grid here in the US that is capable of charging even 10% of the cars I'll get excited.
What the hell happened to your eye 👁? Anyway, I love your work even though I'm getting mixed messages about the future of EVs. I don't know who's correct, but appreciate your enthusiasm and hard work.
I usually get CON19 attacking my eye first .
But famous people usually land up with black eye after initiation ceremonies to "special clubs"
I believed 35 yrs ago eventually cars would go electric. It's happening I don't think we r turning back. Put it another way, the planet and humans will not make it into the 22nd century still rolling around in ice cars...
Cool, a fabulous new battery too expensive for the mass market. BFD.
You're amazing, Big Guy!
My first car was a used 280ZX. It had a 24-gallon gas tank and could easily make 600 miles. In fact, it had a second fuel gage that only covered the last 1/4 of the tank.
How is it in the cold? Chicago tow driver asking.
20 year lifespan of a battery typically means that it’s energy storage has only dropped by X% as I understand it. I would assume that’s the same for solid state batteries as it still uses a chemical reaction to store/discharge energy, whereas ultra capacitors (sadly will never have an energy density of us3 for EVs) don’t use a chemical reaction to store energy hence a 20 or 40/50 year…. Lifespan basically means in always holds the same energy density
Competition is a beautiful thing!
Great info. It's been leaked out these solid state batteries floated by Samsung will consist of a lot of silver which explains it's compactness and long life and range. But if this is the case, with some people putting numbers out like a kilo of silver per battery, this would limit how many batteries could be manufactured as there won't be enough silver to supply this need. So you would then be correct in projecting no mass production by 2030. It will be expensive and it will be limited to luxury and high performance vehicles.
I love both my ICEV and IV. I will belive the new battery tech once it actually shows up.
I wonder if the huge range translates to improved towing range, albeit a lower range just like our current batch of vehicles. The towing range is what holds me back for now.
The competition is only getting starting in this space, time will tell
Having a solid-state battery that charges fast, has incredible energy density, lasts for thousands of charge cycles, and can be had for a reasonable cost is like energy from nuclear fusion. It's going to be forever forty years away for another fifty years.
5 yrs is the average battery chemistry upgrade time frame .
More like 2-3 years.
If you could charge them at the supermarket it dosn't matter if it is 15 min for 20-80% charge!
No supermarket will be able to afford 480 volt charging infra 😢😢
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True I was thinking of those places by the freeway where we have all trafic maybee we have 10 of those in our country (sweden), but they probably allready have those superchargers.
Great vlog. Nice to see respectful debate about battery technologies. I think people are getting too hooked up on range. Weight & efficiency should be the priority. I don't see an argument to wait for solid state, although it's clear companies are trying to use it to slow down EV adoption.
Samsung is a pretty amazing multi-faceted company. Did you know they have a huge pharmaceutical manufacturing division? They even make the unbelievably complex Monoclonal Anti-Body (MAB) based drugs which is impressive. So it's not all that surprising that they have put together a team that figured out the chemistry and manufacturing of a solid state battery,
If anything, I believe it should be the charging stations that need their own battery storage to immediately provide power, and not the grid having to ramp up and down to fit the needs at the moment
Charge time is easy to calculate. It will depend on the capacity of the battery and the kwh of your charger and can the battery handle that load. Presumably they have engineered a battery that can handle charged.
Four cars pull into chargers and begin their 9 minute charge- and consume 2 megawatts of electricity.
You must construct additional pylons!
Some of these companies have actually done it. The issue is producing them at scale. Will take time but will get there eventually.
I've never heard of this Sampson, must be a new startup.
MG has a lifetime guarantee on their cars.
Yes, it's covered until it dies. Then it's "life" is over.
10 years, which is a standard warranty for large LFP Batteries.
@@jedbriimc9879 is that tru - MG batteries covered for 10 yrs?
Mg announces lifetime warranty for High-Voltage Battery, Electric Drive Unit, and Power Electronic Bloc. But only in Thailand.
@@OTPulse😂
It’s been great that CATL and Tesla have pushed down the price of batteries actually being produced. It is also great that other companies have been putting money into the pipe dream that is solid state batteries. Because without that investment over the last decade that pipe dream would never have been realized.
Yupp I'll believe it when I see it
While I understand the apprehension over the electrical grid being able to handle these loads I would argue the increase in range would limit the need to fast charge. I rarely need to use a supercharger on my 2018 M3 LR but if you doubled my range I would more than likely make my supercharger use practically unnecessary aside from very long road trips.
The challenge has always been in creating a design which can be "mass produced" at a reasonable price. Lots of companies have created small lots of lab-queen cells. Samsung is just one of a dozen who have achieved this.
I will only get excited if I see them available for sale to the mass market at a purchase-friendly price.
I could see charging stations with power banks to offset the high electric demands. They can recharge on low demand times. Perhaps they will be the plastic batteries I have been reading about. I don't see solar panels incorporated to the stations since they wouldn't provide much, but you never know.
NIO has the 150KW semi solid battery with 1000km/700mi range already in cars.
Not in cars North Americans can buy.
Oh wait? Is that the 100% tariffs, or the anti-Chinese posturing?
When we see new Samsung Solid-state 'FUSION' battery it will be a world beater!! 🤭
Take a look of the Kempower charging stations. European and they say they are looking to megawatt charging. I guess that might be for trucks, buss and train though.
A 20 year life on the EV battery, that's wild. Very few of us keep a car that long but given that life expectancy new car sales would eventually plummet as they just simply wouldn't be worn out. Replace seat covers, suspension bushings and door seals maybe, but no exhaust systems, no transmissions to speak of, the gear reduction hardly qualifies as a transmission, no wonder some car manufactures are dragging their feet going into the EV market.
SSBs have low life span, these are two different batteries
Nothing is better than a 4 cylinder Camry for reliability
Another game changer from the Viking. None has seen the light of day so far....he still clickbaits to get views
Not that ANYONE else would do that ... besides the ENTIRE FREAKIN' INTERNET.
Maybe you should whine about something else?
@@capnkirk5528 ok so according to you if many people do wrong things then it's fine...cool.
I don't whine, I state facts, that viking's channel has turned in the last months in a piece of garbage. All clickbaits, same old info again and again....
Versions of LFP and the Blade batteries are being installed in vehicles. He isn't talking about vehicle manufacturers who are putting these into cars. He's talking about battery companies who are developing battery technology. It doesn't sound like you've ever been involved in what it takes to bring a product from prototype testing to full-scale manufacturing and then market integration.
Samsung has already sent pre-production demos to several car companies. This isn't vaporware. Sometimes a lot of battery claims are fake to drive stock price. In this case the battery actually exists which IS newsworthy IMO.
Personally watching less of his content, his attitude of glee when talking about companies going bankrupt and people losing their jobs is very unpleasant. Then the recent further selling his soul to the China EV market thing. There are far more well presented and balanced people who do content.
It takes 5 years for new battery technology to reach mass market. Tesla’s 4680 has been announced in 2020. Tesla is still struggling to get costs down. Solid state batteries are no different. There’s also the lead up to new vehicle designs to take advantage of Samsung’s technology.
Hold on, I just realized something about the 9 minute charging. Couldn’t a reserve system be placed on the side so it works alongside the infrastructure? If that was installed in between the chargers and infrastructure then there would be no issue with getting 9 min charging up and running and wouldn’t hurt infrastructure.
Another point is that yes the price will come down as production ramps up, but what new issues come up as a result of the chemistry these batteries use?
Average home has a 100 amp breaker. You would need over 2,000 amps just to supply the charging power. That's powering over 20 homes. That's like selling tires that can handle 1000 mph for your car.
Losses in a wire is via the formula current squared times resistance. Pushing very high current through a wire will increase charging losses. So there is a tradeoff for this super fast charging, and the cables will have to be water cooled if you are going to push this much current through them. Also semiconductors are not great at high current, so the DC to DC converter will also be wasting power.
already cooled I believe
Water cooled cable is already implemented for CCS2 type DC chargers. But not on NACS type (used in the US, based on Tesla standard). CCS2 chargers are used throughout the world, Europe, Asia, South America etc.
Great insight I not yet heard about, so thanks for that!
One thing no one seems to talk about are the issues that imply we may not see 600 mile batteries out of manufacturer decisions based on usage statistics, rather than hopeful dreams of ideology. They aren't stating the actual size or weight of the batteries, so we must assume they are comparing the typical current battery to an equivalent physical size. (If the power density & price increase but the weight drops, the only constant remaining is volume.) Current car manufacturers know, that consumers readily accept, demonstrated by purchasing, 200 to 400 miles range. So, based on this, if the new solid state batteries hold 2x the charge in the same volume, the manufacturers are simply going to use 1/2 the batteries to maintain the same range as is current while reducing battery weight/volume/and now cost. If the new solid stat was 2x as expensive, and only 1/2 as much is used, then net gain as far as price & mileage appears to be no change. However, due to the volume & weight decrease, the cars are lighter (an additional mileage gain) and easier/cheaper to manufacture. These changes should further reduce the car costs due to manufacturing rather than battery cost. I'm sure the "long range" option in some vehicles may provide those 2x gains at 2x the price, but most people use cars locally or regionally and don't need 400+ miles on a charge. I'm referring to the people (myself included) who refill their petrol only 1x per week.
I'm hoping I'm way off as I'd love to charge my car every 2 weeks and know that if we all could do that, the grid may actually support all of us. But knowing manufacturing and marketing done by auto companies, I don't see these ranges falling into consumer hands. Use on semi trucks for long hauls is another story all together!
They also be great in Electric bicycles.
I remember watching a tech programme on TV 20 years or so back, OLED TVs at £20,000 a unit!! The presenter said it was debatable whether they could bring the price down for the mass market. Yep 👍
Good to hear about advancements in battery tech.
Its not an oxide based solid state battery but a sulfide based (probably journalism mistake). Samsung has been known to research sulfide based solid state batteries for years. I doubt it will be able to mass produce "oxide" based solid state batteries so quickly.
New battery technology reminds me of fusion power. Always sometime in the future.
In all honesty battery tech is advancing at roughly the same speed as Chip manufacture. Meaning the trends of battery advancement are start to approach Moore's law. In this case the battery energy density is roughly doubled while the cost is halved every couple of years. Again i am saying it's approaching that level but has yet to actually do it.
Either way EVs are the future of all vehicles.
600 miles range. Short recharge. Maybe in Southern California with no wind or hills. In a Northern Montana in the winter, probably about half. As you said, it's going to be decades, and when fully functional and deployed, it will be only for the "Special People."
Interesting developments, can’t wait for SS batteries to hit the mass market.
Finally an established global company with an excellent track record is announcing a Solid State battery. Since it's Samsung, i expect to see them in production soon.
It has only arrived...if it has gone in to mass production....others wise it still nothing more than a dream
Great video. If Toyota had a solid state battery from 2014 then someone should take them to task about it.
Samsung is one of the innovative company which keeps innovating time to time.
Ford motor has had a patent for 5-minute charging. They used a liquid cooled charger cable.
Will it go into Tesla Roadster?
I am not so pessimistic - I think < 5 years before we see a 500 miles range EV at a mid-market price (~55k USD). Personally for a person who need super long range I feel 600 is the sweet spot. That is about what most people would consider max one day driving distance. Charge at hotel or Airbnb and get back on the road for longer trips. I do PA for FL drive (1000 miles) all the time (~15 times per year). 500 would be too tight to do without supercharging. 600 would be spot on. Yes I hate flying :)
New day, a new battery, which will never see the light of day
It's already made and given to some car companies for testing.
That's exactly what I wanted to write - but you were quicker 😉
@@hardi.howdy.983that's what the others said lmao
@@hardi.howdy.983 It would be crazy if the new battery hadn’t been made and wasn’t being tested…
What are it's fire characteristics? Burn temperature? Fire protection features? Or does it still burn at 1,100C in an instant?
I have to wonder whether these types of innovations and breakthroughs - wondrous as they are - also have a negative effect in dissuading those otherwise on the verge of springing for an EV today, instead motivating them to switch to an ICEV - new or used - and hold out a little longer for better-value EV improvements.
A Plaid would be mind-bogglingly fast with these solid-state lightweight batteries. It would rival some of the fastest top fuel dragsters.
I’ve been hearing that it will take 1 kilogram of silver to produce the battery for one vehicle. Imagine the increase in industrial silver demand that will result if true!
Still at the prototype stage right now. Production ramp is another story. Hope the can get there soon.
600 miles range. Maybe in sunny Southern California, in the flats no wind on a moped.
9 min charging for 75kWh battery would require 500kW charging rate, which is doable. There have been a number of > 500kW DC Fast Chargers developed, just not deployed because right now there's no car that will take it. The Tesla V4 dispensers can support it, they just need V4 Charging equipment behind them (right now they're using V3 charging equipment.)
A smaller battery (say 30kWh) would be lighter making the vehicle more efficient and, if it charges quickly (which solid state batteries do) then a 30kWh charge could take just 5-10 minutes. Just enough time to get to the toilet and back... A 30kWh pack would also mean double the number of vehicles from the same kWh of battery. This is a win-win-win!
Energy density of 500 wh/k is great but the price will be a big factor since non-solid state batteries are available reaching 400 wh/k. If we get range of 400 miles in a pack that would be plenty, I could drive fast on road-trips. The impact of silicon anodes is very near. I think solid state is never going to get wide commercialization without a cost breakthrough.
500 wh/kg, this is within eVTOL range. Save the premium batteries where it can be best used.
THE RANGE IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. It means NOTHING.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us the KWH's per KG ie The energy density. That is the figure we need and the charge rate 2/3/4/5 C ????
500wh per kg, in the video
Might be better if you listened to the actual video before going off half cocked
Range means nothing because a battery 2x the size goes twice as far?