Grace Blakeley VS Lisa Nandy On BBC Question Time
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Nandy saying Corbyns manifesto was dishonest.. wtf? This was a fully costed manifesto that had the approval of top economists across the country. She's awful
A manifesto she was elected on.
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The main criticism of Corbyn's manifesto was that he was going to spend the money we didn't have. But then Johnson & Sunak went on to spend billions more while putting the country in lockdown.
her lisp is annoying
Yeah, just a complete lie.
So sick of the smears of Jeremy Corbyn, he's not been leader for years now they need to get a grip and move on
But they have to keep suppressing the ideas that Corbyn stood for because they are what their owners fear most.
He was also smeared for being anti-Israel. How has that aged?!
Guy was friends of Hamas and was voted in to the top job? I mean how many more Hamas sympathisers or supporters are within the labour ranks. The damage he did to the left was immense he turned it into a party run by Islamist. Most Brits are becoming more atheist and it’s just out of touch to have politics that’s inline with an Islamic terrorists group.
Corbyn was a man for the working class defo not an antisemite
He is easy to smear!
Lisa Nandy, like Priti Patel, "won't take any lectures". Funny how these corporate grifters use the same jargon.
Ah ha ha, imagine Lisa's anger if Grace said that, amazing
wont take any but they give long Rants full of personal attacks though.
She has most probably been avoiding lectures in all her schools.
She's balding Pandy is full of clap.
Ironic considering Grace Blakeley is the privately educated ex KPMG employee here.
Grace Blakeley simply brilliant
Lisa Nandy lied, then proceeded to gaslight Blakeley.
Despicable person.
Exactly. Nandy mumbling, did she actually say something, through the rhetoric as usual and it is rot.
Rail has come under public control under the Tories!!
Come off it , don’t be so sensitive ffs
It was a very uncalled for and cheap attack, considering The topic wasn't really about Jeramy Corbyn, and Grace hadn't even mentioned him at that point.
She came 3rd in the leadership election she's 'soft left' apparently not it's New New Labour, it really kicked off there not good, 2nd was Corbyn ally Rebecca Long Bailey if she was leader thing would of been different let's be honest the state of the Conservatives is the main reason Labour are ahead the same way as any leader of Labour would be currently.
The whole episode it was just bare face lies. She shook her head when Grace said she served under Corbyn.
I love grace blakely, she is intelligent and aware of what's going on 🎉🎉
Agree only seen her a couple of times but all have been positive so far
Do I want Nandy in government, no I don’t!
This incarnation of the Labour party gives me the chills.
Never vote Labour...it takes far too long for the country to recover, after a spell of Lefties.
Truly Horrific
The reason possibly that it gives you the chills is it mirrors the Blair government but without the charisma and if we being honest the erosion of our health system germinated there. By that I mean not purchasing new hospitals ie building them but renting, Dental fees changed and effectively dropped so dentists left NHS and went Private dropping all their NHS patients. Until the world wide economic crash the U.K. quite prosperous so little excuse. I am getting sick of this notion that breakfast clubs the answer to child poverty. The obvious answer is pay the parents a truly living wage. Allow people self respect don’t force them economically to have universal credit to top up low wages. Our system all messed up. How can a local government employee get paid such low wages working fulltime that they entitled to UC. so cut out the middle man and simply pay them a real wage…. Sorry I digress just watched Questiin time 23/05/2024 so very irritated that like member of the audience Labour Party under Starmer given me zero reason to vote for them.
disgusting from Nandy! labour are now tories!!
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I wouldn’t go that far.
People said that about New Labour's first run... and then we got over a decade of actual Tories and, no, no, Tories are still far worse.
Agree. Working class people don't use the railways anyway. If they want to do something to help working class people they should nationalise power, not rail.
It was exactly the kind of sneering, outraged response we've come to expect from the Tories when they're asked to be held accountable. Whoever wins this election, we all lose.
Only one socialist on this panel, and it isn’t Lisa Nandy
When do most Labour MPs ever claim to be socialist? Labour isn't a socialist party. It exists to stop socialism - despite what the membership card says.
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Red and blue Tories, two cheeks of the same arse.
Socialism ruins the Country just look across the world.
Stop falling for the false two-party duopoly. Neither side will ever put the best interests of the people above the best interests of their donors.
Labour was taken over
Well done Grace Blakeley!! 🙏👍😊
Lisa Nandy - Anoither Labour LIAR
What did she lie about?
I quite like LN, but was disappointed when she attacked Grace B in this way.
Not another one !.....
@@waynereid9471 Did you watch the video?
When you rationalise that means lying and being dishonest and politicians do it all the time.
I can't recall Lisa Nandy criticising the Corbin manifesto at the time. What an unlikeable person.
A manifesto that Nandy supported, campaigned on and (arguably) won her seat on???
This myth that there isn't any money in the economy needs to stop. If you're a billionaire the last few years your wealth has absolutely exploded.
The UK ranks in the top 5 countries in the world for billionaires.
just over 20 in 2010, just under 60 in 2019 (10 yrs). Between 2020 and first quarter of 2023 we increase to 177 (not even 3.5 yrs) billionaires. It is insane how much money was GIVEN to these people. Government is broke, 80% of the public is either broke or struggling. They need money so common sense and MATH (Something Sunak was moaning about the importance of) dictates we take it from those that ACTUALLY HAVE IT.
Weird and maddening isn't it, it's basically a refusal to acknowledge that the aim of these parties and the economy itself is to make the rich richer, and so there's this forever gaslighting that money is some finite resource rather than something that simply needs to be claimed back through tax. If anyone ever suggested that, these people would shift uncomfortably in their seat. It's the biggest elephant in the room pretty much every time any politician discusses anything. Because of that, it's all basically pointless and redundant and it makes sense that all the discussions are so petty and futile and repetitive, the exact same things are said year after year, this exact exchange could happen the same 50 years from now.
Theres plenty of money for weapons none for the poor.
What's billionaire's got to do with this?
Good to see Grace Blakeley educating Lisa Nandy over how to be a true Labour MP these days.
You must have been watching a different programme to me l did not see her educating anyone,all l saw was an ignorant woman playing to a Tory audience
@@michaellancaster996 yes I was watching the same programme and whatever your view of her it was perfectly evident by Nandy’s body language she was confused and bewildered and that was emphasised by the lack of audience applause she attracted and overall social media reaction.
Ignorant? Maybe look in the mirror. @@michaellancaster996
@@nickvinehill7491She comes across not bright. Like when she said "I don't know shat a woman is. She clearly does but wants to lie to get trans voters.
Lmao Blakeley advocates an alliance with Nigel Farage
I can't believe Nandy thought she could lead the party.
Jeremy Corbyn was right and should be our P.M.
His spouting of Russian propaganda around the invasion of Ukraine really undermine this sentiment for me. Jeremy is a good person but he watches far too much RT.
@jhf2121 what propaganda was that? Or wax it thd usual fake news from the right wing media? Tories are tye ones taking Russian money. Try again troll.
Now one understands why J Corbyn didn’t get in. He didnt have the correct politics as far as USA concerned over the Middle East. He wanted change on this topic for decades to avoid all this carnage in Gaza. Corbyn is a humanitarian. Seems USA has too much power over UK politics for my liking .
@@jhf2121 Rubbish. Russia has the right to defend itself.
@@mobsiesixsixsix9785 By destabilising and then invading it's neighbours? Pull the other one.
Perhaps you are new to leftist thought but we stand against all Imperialism, not just US imperialism.
The actual tragedy is that the Tories are awful and Labour are worse 😥
That's total bullshit.
The "Magic Money Tree" did not exist (until they bailed the banks out).
And when starting wars in the middle east!
@MT-kx2uc something, something "special relationship" nothing to see here, please move along. Blair, Bush et al.
The Tories put more money into the bankers than anyone. George Osbourne created a huge deficit propping up the bankers, and losing support for business in the economy, and reducing people’s income. Get it right.
the magic money tree only exists to let the rich get richer
The ‘magic-money tree’ did/does exist and it’s called a bank.
The only difference of labour and the Tories is the spelling
You need to seek help
I actually thought Lisa was rude on QT. She kept shouting Grace down by saying Grace had her say when on the second time of dojng it she didn’t. Lisa showing what really Labour is standing for now and oh how they are morphing into the Tories. Pre scripted lines, trotted out to defend the indefensible - they will do and say anything to get power even if it makes them look ridiculous.
Do wish Labour would stop giving me ammunition not to vote for them, ihave no faith in them at all Green for me
Workers Party
@@curiositycat22workers party
The Greens are fruitcakes but at least you won't be voting Labour! No one should vote Labour...ever!
She came 3rd in the leadership election she's 'soft left' apparently not it's New New Labour, it really kicked off there not good, 2nd was Corbyn ally Rebecca Long Bailey if she was leader thing would of been different let's be honest the state of the Conservatives is the main reason Labour are ahead the same way as any leader of Labour would be currently.
They continue to disappoint.
Grace B was brilliant on QT this week.
Did Sarah Huckabee Sanders move to England
Big lol!
She nailed the accent though, Dick Van Dyke must be spinning in his grave.
was thinking the same thing! hahahaha
I love that the example she gave was actually the perfect example of how empty their manifesto is. "We're bring rail companies back into public ownership" - oh, that sounds great. Are you going to cut fares? "No". Are you going to increase investment? "No".
A great sounding principle, with no actual substance to it.
I've just watched a couple minutes of question time and now need a shower.
Absolutely disgusting. Lisa Nandy is the Cruella of Labour.
More like a pooella😂😂😂
Also the warmonger of Labour
It's very rare that BBC Question Time has someone from the left on nowadays. Must have been quite a shock for Nandy. Her eyes were nearly popping out of her head with indignation.
Corbyns manifesto was the best I have seen.
At the very least he wanted to make change. Starmer won't change sh*t.
Not one word of which could ever have been implemented because he is unelectable
@@AZ26744 funny how Labour want to renationalise the rail network, came straight from Corbyn's manifesto.
@@AZ26744 They said that about Johnson.
@@amazoniaamazonia7225 and yet Johnson won an 80 seat majority pushing Labour to its worst result in generations
I am not voting Labour after watching this. I have just realised there is no difference between the Tories and Labour because there and not promising anything that will genuinely change people’s lives
You’ve only JUST realised? 😂
Red and blue Tories.
Just vote tactically then to get the Tories out then moan about labour. If the Tories get in or even if there is a Hung parliament. They would take it as "FKN HELL, we can do what the Fk we like now! welfare, bye bye, free NHS, bye bye. More (private) prisons, and more poor people to fill them. It will become a Brazilian type of economy with zero public services. Police will have licence to kill protesters and almost anyone outside the gated communities protected from the Tory created favelas....' Still if Nandy's given you the 'Ump.
They don't have policies to make things better on the contrary it will be worse borrowing £116bn for net zero of course paid back by you and I
@@samhodgins9804 Tory!! But even so surely it's time to admit your side is shit and need a reboot even Man U and Chelsea fans are admitting that!
Ironically the question was, "Can we trust politicians". Cue Nandy lying for 5 minutes.
Nandy is a power hungry simpleton. Constantly interrupting then indignant when interrupted and called out for talking ****. Labour are so lucky the Tories are so terrible.
Grace never got a word in with little big gob Lisa Nandy
Problem is Lisa Nandy more verbally aggressive and cut short Grace Blakeley than with the right wing representatives on panel. One could tell the audience seemed much more in favour of Grace Blakeley stance.
And so many lies in her first statement, that it's impossible to debunk them all. This is the first rule in the book of dirty tricks to win debates. But her argument is empty.
@@abdvs325 How did she win? She got zero applause. Just because she's trotting out talking points doesn't mean people are buying them!
Why is Fiona Bruse right wing, she cut off and challenged the Torie minister 3 times.
@@KevenHutchinson-gt1nn She always does...BBC luvvies are never right wing.
@@KevenHutchinson-gt1nn Fiona's husband has a big government contract it's all over Twitter bring back Victoria Derbyshire.
Nandy fails to acknowledge that she too stood behind those manifestos AND campaigned on that policy platform AND was elected on that platform.
Whenever I see Labour politicians these days, they could just double, rhetorically, as Tories. Ineffably dislikable, as you say. It may just be my impression (which is not a good thing in itself) but I thought Labour had been refusing to commit to anything at all. This and a couple of other things suddenly appear when they realise not committing to Gaza support has hurt them and, just maybe, this will hurt them. It's just duplicitous and indefensible by people like Landy. She's made her bed and will now have to lie in it. Someone should tell her it's too little, too late.
Tory Lite - stick in there Grace - we're proud of you - there are more of us left with proper values than they think !
Can we vote for Grace instead please. Labour have lost it’s base
Politicans are mostly 'career politicians', which are in the pockets of lobbiests so that's why u will hear them say... "the issue is complicated" in order to dance around, which is a definition of a "Politician"!
Grace was spot on. It's getting more difficult to try to see any difference between politicians in either party.
What lecture was Nandy talking of.
She was very defensive. It was pretty terrible behaviour. They have lost their political. Souls if they ever had one.
Nandy is a fine example of the rot in Labour values in this car crash of an appearance on QT. “Fundamentally dishonest”, on which she was re-elected on in the last Parliament. Surely she’s therefore a dishonest politician. It’s really sad.
Corbyn’s manifesto was fully costed by the award-winning economist Ann Pettifor no less.
Every time a politician says "there is not enough money" is lying, as the money is not and has never been a finite resource.
Love this... muy bien
As we have to borrow each and every month, we have no money. They get a sniff of it and then its gone! For that very reason, we have never had austerity...ever!
I remember a time when Owen Jones viewed Lisa Nandy as leadership material...now she's just another careerist.
Owen changes just like the wind.
Those same people thought Keir Starmer would be a good leader. Shows the terrible judgement of these people.
Just a taste of what's to come under Labour. Continuity Tory-light politics and economics that'll deliver little for the working people. How can she sit there and claim last manifesto was dishonest, when it was fully costed and planned to deliver actual meaningful change to millions of people's lives.
The Labour frontbench are seemingly forgetting that they have Boris' indiscipline and incompetence to thank for their current lead. Voters aren't enthralled with Starmer.
On the contrary,Lisa Nandy should take lectures from Grace, She knows what She's on about!
Nandy has become a loud, blunt noise. Just like so many of the tories.
Bailing out rail franchises. I have never heard such crap. The rail franchises have been stealing tax payer money for years. That's how they exist, on government subsidies. Remove the lucrative subsidies and the kleptos will show little interest in rail or any of our Lucrative British assets.
You mean French and Italian governments?
So true, it's so clear what's happened. Probably billions of taxpayer money has been syphoned off to shareholders instead of improving the infrastructure. The state of the rail companies is an embarrassment.
Yes and also the train leasing companies, that's where the mega funds are disappearing to.
Starmer is fully on board with bankrolling corporations with public money and placing the risk and burden on the taxpayers whilst refusing to close the tax loopholes for those same companies.
When you look at how Mcdonnell called out the billionaires at Davos and compare it to Starmer fawning over Larry Fink and having his private meetings with him...its pretty obvious that whatever Labour used to stand for is gone.
People dont realise that rail françaises are still operations of direct government.
I remember Lisa making a fool of herself describing what a woman is.
Really? What did she say
Probably took lessons from Starmer. Is that tool still confused?
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I’m an American so have no idea of this, but appreciate your coverage of middle eastern issues. Thank you Novara 👍
But, US UK, we’re in the same freaking boat.
Not voting Labour is a moral duty
you could always have another 5 years of Tories
@@AZ26744 I will take that. It takes 15 years to recover from Labour every time they get into power! Personally, I cant be arsed waiting another 20 years!
@@jstewart4205 You would rather have another 5 year Conservative government than a Labour one? I’m astounded
@@AZ26744kier starmer don’t make me laugh the blokes a clown 🤡
Never trust a politician
Nandy and Elphicke will get on well together
Pretending u have a democracy with the same 2 parties for 100 years is insanity
Labour are unelectable but lucky for them, at this point in time the tories are even less electable than them.
They’re very electable for the capitalist class. A safe pair of hands to hold ground whilst the tories regroup as a far right party.
@@jgmediting7770 Far right! 🤣😂🤣
@@jstewart4205 yes. Unlike you I seem to understand history, economics, the political spectrum; and why such things happen at major economic inflection points.
Did Sarah Huckabee Sanders move to England ?😂
😂😂😂😂😂
She can't see eye to eye
Having watched the QT, I have no idea why Lisa Nandy would share any from the show. She doesn't come across very well at all.
£20k of licence payers money...she probably had to fight off Thornberry to gain the seat!
I thank You guys as human for Your choice humanitarian side and thinks and action.
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Grace’s response was weak. She should have pointed out that Lisa stood on that manifesto and won her seat on that manifesto. If she believed it was dishonest, and still stood as a Labour candidate on that manifesto, that makes her……..dishonest! Proving Grace’s point!
No don’t worry, we can “rest assured” Nandy being honest this time.
Yes I was irritated by fact she got cut short . She is an articulate person but not a verbally assertive person plus I think she was a bit phased by the lies/half truth Lisa Nandy happy to shout …..ie regarding Starmer interview/LBC etc…..anyway this show is always weighted in favour of right wing spokespeople. Be interesting to get a minute /second run down of how much air time the left wing actually get to talk before being cut off. I dont include Labour under Starmer as being Left wing as they evidently are not.
Thankyou Grace for calling Nandy's nonsence out!!
Nandy looks like a british Huckabee 😂
Amazing Grace
Taking back ownership of the railways is not going to make us better off!
I used to think Lisa Nandy was ok, not anymore - she’s shown her true colours.
Brilliant analysis Aaron, thank you.
Aaron's comment about Labour attacking others, when Keir Starmer first became leader he stated he would not do that. I thought how refreshing. Didn't last long.
Stop the genocide 😢
The tories are so far right that labour being just to the left of them still makes them more to the right then the tories were 20-30 years ago.
Love it when you cover these question time moments
Voting labour is the same as voting for tories
There is no money left however they always find a way for military purposes somehow… and there is no more difference between tories & Labour in this country
No more for ordinary people, because the capitalist elite are sucking it all up at an ever accelerating rate. And there’s always money for their interests.
We borrow each and every month...there is no spare money, only how you share it out and prioritise it.
Nowt wrong with Corbyn. Plenty wrong with labour now.
Should be a crime to break promises or lie to constituents once in office. Fraud is a crime in other areas.
It would appear that Nandy doesn't take lessons from anyone that doesn't agree with her. She was happy enough to serve under Corbyn then stuck the knife in as soon as she had the chance. She doesn't inspire me with confidence.
to be honest given HS2 axed I would think it would be more popular for water to be public
Do all policiticians nowadays have ghost writers cos they all keep starting their drivel with ''I won't take lectures from someone...''
Why should anyone believe they will nationalise rail anyway? What makes that promise more stable than the others that Labour already backed away from?
Left and green have the uncomfortable solutions. Corporate interests have to be reigned in to help people through climate calamity as is deepens. End of. 🌎💚🌍
I quite like what the green party stands for but we have to find some way to facilitate the push for net zero without all of the exploitation that drives it.
As much as solar panels are a good idea, having kids in the congo digging out cobalt by hand in illegal artisinal mines run by Glencore or PV being assembled using Uyghur slave labour in Chinese concentration camps is not worth the human cost IMO.
@@user-SubvurzIV i agree. The uncomfortable solutions i mean are forgetting the gdp myth, localising as much as possible and acceptig a major drop in relative living standards, lowering expectations but looking after eachother 🌎💚🌍
@@mattliamjack3293 there’s zero reason for a relative drop in living standards.
@@jgmediting7770 just counting.
The left are fully in bed with the corporations on the net zero scam
Grace speaks a lot of sense
labour fail
Not in a million years could I vote for Labour now .
0:55 - Nandy smiling at an ally in the audience?
Probably her handler. Probably from a Labour right think tank.
Grace is brilliant and honest, Nandy is neither, hence her path to power.
Nandy impersonating a tory there. Such bad manners
Blakely is excellent
did anyone noticed bruce didn't jump in to interrupt them different when its a tory under pressure she's right in there
We on the left need to stop referring to the current Labour party as centrists. It helps shift the Overton Window even further right than it already is in this country. In the case of Nandy, I don't think she has any political convictions, just whatever is most likely to advance her career. She would probably move back leftwards if Corbyn somehow became leader again tomorrow.
Vote Independent or workers party . Labour are just Tory Light
Not going to vote Labour but not going to vote for a party that plays down climate change either.
Exactly what I have been saying since Tony Blair - except I say Tory Lite.
As a Socialist I voted Against Blair in 1997.
🤣🤣It's as clear as day that Nandy will be useless.
Trust no-one, they could be The Thing and politicians are the warmest place to hide! ☹️
Grace Blakely was great but she should have pointed out the rail nationalisation was a Corbyn manifesto commitment.
The Tories went and massively outspent Corbyn's 5-year manifesto within two years
I absolutely love Grace she's actually true original labour and people like Mick Lynch etc
George Galloway they all should unite with Corbyn let Grace be the party leader.
Nah, Galloway can serve a very valuable service pulling the socially conservative working class away from the far right strategy. Take culture wars and such away from them, and the elite have no tools left to protect its economic and political interests.
You supported the manifesto that I campaigned on... How dare you!
"Leading lights" is very generous for Nandy.
Good work Novara❤
A clear case of NEW labour believing they are more liked than they actually are.
"buying out the shareholders with public money", I'm sure if the public had a say they'd back expropirating the rail services without payment.
The whole house is a disgrace. But let us not forget Blair started the rot.