Toyota GR86 vs Toyota GR Corolla - Head to Head Review!

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  • Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
  • Almost 10 months after the first images of Toyota's rally inspired GR Corolla were revealed, I was able to get behind the wheel of a fully loaded Core model to see if the hype is real. The question is - should you pay the extra money for this, or stick with a GR86?
    Check out Jubbal & Cars review of the GR86, GR Corolla, and more: / @jubbalandcars
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  • @bryantgenuino6324
    @bryantgenuino6324 Рік тому +110

    Describing the 86 redline noise as “stirring a bunch of rocks in a tin can” is exactly how I felt about the engine when I drove it. I described it as that feeling when you turn on a garbage disposal. I drove the ND Miata after and it was heaven by comparison haha

    • @milesfathi
      @milesfathi Рік тому +12

      As a gr86 owner I fully agree

    • @nah3193
      @nah3193 Рік тому +6

      I can't stand the sound of Subaru motors in general. The turbocharged ones are a little better but NA they are brutal. The ND is pretty quiet but sounds decent and takes an aftermarket exhaust well.

    • @Soh90
      @Soh90 Рік тому +19

      That’s kind of the charm of a boxer motor, no? I love the sound of a older Porsche, like a 997. The boxer clatter to me is cool.

    • @ivannachoo
      @ivannachoo Рік тому +12

      That's why subaru's need aftermarket exhausts.... to cover up the engine sounds......

    • @josephrafer5418
      @josephrafer5418 Рік тому +21

      I enjoy the brutal sound of the 86, it might not sound great to others but for me it gives me the thrill and liveliness

  • @MaddNomad1015
    @MaddNomad1015 Рік тому +16

    Gotta love it.
    Corolla vs a car inspired by an old Corolla!

  • @gabea.458
    @gabea.458 Рік тому +25

    Considering the GRC for a future more dad friendly car. I have a daily and a 6th gen supercharged Camaro similar to the 1LE you drove on the channel. Considering selling both next year. I hope the huge difference in torque and power is not a bridge too far for me. Honestly though I've had enough cars and am at the age where I could be happy with fun to drive versus a sports car with power. Hopefully I can drive one in the near future.

    • @jonathanb1987
      @jonathanb1987 Рік тому

      Keep the Camaro and the daily. I have a 2019 STI as my daily and it's a great Dad car, but so is a Camaro when your kid is old enough to enjoy the car with you going on cruises and taking it to the track. I plan on getting a daily so I can enjoy the STI even more on the weekends with my sons.

    • @keithjackson4985
      @keithjackson4985 Рік тому

      Gabe, you better get on the list. Those Corollas move quickly. Good luck.

    • @gabea.458
      @gabea.458 Рік тому

      @@keithjackson4985 thanks for the advice. In my opinion though when there's a list it's the wrong time to buy the car. When the demand because it's new and shiny wears off is when I'd look. Prices will be better. I've been in this situation a few times with new enthusiast cars.

    • @jonathanb1987
      @jonathanb1987 Рік тому

      @@gabea.458 plus you can buy the version with all the bugs worked out. Apparently the rear differential overheats on the track. Even when it's 40 degrees Fahrenheit.

  • @mr2death
    @mr2death Рік тому +21

    Great review👏🏼. It seems like the Corolla is almost too safe and stable for those who enjoy a more rowdy driving experience. I'd still take one in a heart beat!

    • @crespo72285
      @crespo72285 Рік тому +3

      I live in Canada. Gr corolla is the best car for my environment

    • @realnapster1522
      @realnapster1522 Рік тому +2

      Overpriced junk.

    • @LizardMane
      @LizardMane Рік тому

      @@realnapster1522 the gr 86 is ass

    • @isaacjones2328
      @isaacjones2328 Рік тому +3

      @@realnapster1522 daring today aren't we

  • @IS300Spartan
    @IS300Spartan Рік тому +19

    I can see why you wanna stay neutral with your overview at the end, but it would be more satisfying if you concluded with your definitive opinion once all is said and done. Which one would YOU get, in which scenario, and why?
    The channel is interesting for mainly one reason : you and your opinion. You've driven a bunch of cool shit and I wanna know what YOU would do. In the end, that's why someone like me keeps coming back to your content, amongst everything that's already out there.
    The cars or the comparisons aren't your main appeal, however weird that might sound... it's you! That's why vloggers get all the attention nowadays, and why a video like "Why I Bought My First BMW: 2003 E39 540i M-Sport Manual!" is your number one.
    Capitalize on that dude, I wanna see you grow!

  • @justcallmejefe
    @justcallmejefe Рік тому +4

    Too many people disable ASC as soon as they buy the gr86 without any plan to replace the engine noise, and then complain about the sound. Best to leave it on until you have something better to replace it with. In my experience the FA20 (and I’m guessing FA24) can be a really good sounding engine, but takes some small mods.

    • @kevindepew8193
      @kevindepew8193 Рік тому

      Maybe people just don't want fake recorded engine sounds.

    • @justcallmejefe
      @justcallmejefe Рік тому +1

      @@kevindepew8193 Thats fine, I’m not saying you shouldn’t disable ASC if you don’t like it.

  • @jubbalandcars
    @jubbalandcars Рік тому +6

    Phenomenal comparison Fenton! Masterful review.

  • @quintontim
    @quintontim Рік тому +6

    "heh ha ha". that same dry laugh so many times in this vid. work on that man. use more words, like why ur chuckling.

  • @jn9604
    @jn9604 Рік тому +5

    THis would be a daily driver for me, so the quiet engine and the higher seating position are good things, however I can see that if you are going to track it they would not be the best. Looks like a good compromise to me, fun and yet reasonably practical.

    • @Olivia300zx
      @Olivia300zx Рік тому +1

      They're very fun on the track. Remember it's a rally car so it will sit a tad higher. Coilovers will fix that if you plan to stick to the track

  • @hensh911
    @hensh911 Рік тому +6

    First time seeing this channel. Good video with decent articulation. Subscribed.
    I myself have the GR Yaris and a 997 C2S manual, which is a great pairing. Before the 911 I did consider the GT86 but it’s lack of performance meant I steered clear.

  • @STICKSHFT
    @STICKSHFT Рік тому +6

    Gr86 with the 3 cylinder turbo from the Corolla would be perfect

  • @wadesloan
    @wadesloan Рік тому +48

    Great perspective on both cars, I would take the GR86 if I didn't have to worry about a car seat for my toddler 😅. Also I really don't understand why EVERY reviewer gets so disappointed when non-RWD cars aren't able to kick the tail out...... like a RWD car lol. Every drive layout has its pros and cons, lets not ding cars for not beating science (there are some exceptions)

    • @DairyKing404
      @DairyKing404 Рік тому +5

      I kinda get it though. The GR Yaris is prone to snap oversteer, and people expected the Corolla to behave somewhat similarly despite the wheelbase difference.

    • @mackeymichael
      @mackeymichael Рік тому +1

      @@DairyKing404 The GR Yaris sounds better to me then.
      Short wheelbase and 200 Kw of power they look kind of of weird but l love em

    • @jordano3088
      @jordano3088 Рік тому +6

      @@mackeymichael I don't really get it. Drifting ruins tires, it's dangerous, most people can't even do it who are taking it into account as a factor. It looks cool sure, but if you can't drift AWD is just better all around.

    • @rxs87
      @rxs87 Рік тому +3

      It’s because there are some front wheel drive cars with a really nice fun feeling turn in like the Elantra n, fiesta st, Mini Cooper and the civic type r that this car sorely lacks

    • @wayward03
      @wayward03 Рік тому

      @@jordano3088 because you don't need to drift to have a little fun.

  • @pan4632
    @pan4632 Рік тому +20

    ayee you made it happen! great review. I think the GR Corolla is a better 1 car solution, but you lose the purity of the GR86 driving dynamics. But as an enthusiast daily that can tackle bad weather, this thing looks awesome. Hopefully the aftermarket helps the car come alive. Maybe stiffer sway bars would induce more oversteer?

    • @lauriedooker1031
      @lauriedooker1031 Рік тому +1

      Hi mate , I’ve a Australian delivered Yaris gr four rally edition . Similar cars , nectarine and peach you might say . This video didn’t even get close to finding the happy place for the Corolla. Find a long mountain with open and sharp corners that say 30 mph and drive double that and you will be in happy land . Add snow and I’d think I’d died and went to heaven . I love fwd cars but these are on another planet . Get one if your in the market . The Yaris is still $ 10000 au more than I paid and we have 400%more than America .

    • @pinnnkyton
      @pinnnkyton 11 місяців тому

      ​​​@@lauriedooker1031you are correct, the reviewer basically showed the limit of the 86...and then drove the GRC like it was the 86.... he never came close to its limit😅
      In real life , the 86 is hanging with the n-line 1.6 elantra
      He also stated it comes online at 3000 rpm, it doesnt wake up till 3500
      And he said it dies off at 6k, it pulls till 6800
      Hes just driving it like an 86, not using it the way its supposed to
      Hes taking corners like hes my nan

    • @abehaile2659
      @abehaile2659 9 місяців тому

      Yes! I'd love to see these cars retested in inclement weather or on a twisty dirt road

  • @milesfathi
    @milesfathi Рік тому +22

    I think the perfect sportscar would be a combination of these two. The GR86 architecture with the GR Corolla engine. Yes, that would be more expensive than the current 86, but it would be totally worth it.

    • @gigi9467
      @gigi9467 Рік тому +5

      It be a 2 seater with a reliable
      Engine lightweight and fun to drive and track and cheap
      To maintain… oh duh miata! Lol

    • @gigi9467
      @gigi9467 Рік тому +1

      But at the very least a 86/brz with a reliable
      Engine.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +14

      300hp GR86 would be 💯

    • @Vooticus
      @Vooticus Рік тому

      They finna put the 3cylinder in the new mr2 spyder😅

    • @gigi9467
      @gigi9467 Рік тому

      @@Zygrene where would that leave the supra 2.0? I dont think we will ever see that and honestly i hope not cuz it will be a 40k car..

  • @willtaggart
    @willtaggart Рік тому +12

    Fun fact: the GR Corolla is actually MUCH closer to the original AE86 Trueno than the GR86. That AE86 was a Corolla with an MR2 engine, which at that point was the car Toyota was planning on taking rally racing. The GR Corolla is as the name implies a Corolla, with the engine from the GR Yaris, which was a homologation special for- you guessed it, the Yaris WRC car. It’s a mirror image almost thirty years later.

    • @macscars115
      @macscars115 Рік тому +1

      Pretty boring fact

    • @Vermonstered
      @Vermonstered Рік тому +3

      Eh? You'd think drivetrain and how they handle makes a better comparison than just what races they're entered into are. As you could say the same as FWD cars as they were rally racers as well.

    • @willtaggart
      @willtaggart Рік тому

      @@Vermonstered not saying that this makes one better than the other. I really like both, they are two of the greatest new cars you can buy

    • @Vermonstered
      @Vermonstered Рік тому +1

      @@willtaggart Has nothing to do which one is 'better.' Simply don't try to create some fake lineage. The Corolla's that are revered in rally aren't RWD or AE86 based (unless you're Finnish) but were Corolla and Celica GT-Four based platforms.
      And these two cars are absolutely not 'two of the greatest new cars you can buy.' There needs to be a massive asterisk to say - enthusiasts biased cars in their respective price points. But don't let your rose colored glasses fog your view as even right now both of these GR cars have strong competition without some of the massive failings like the GR Corolla with its $20k car interior or poor engine build quality in the GR86/BRZ. They are what they are.

    • @willtaggart
      @willtaggart Рік тому

      @@Vermonstered why are you getting so heated? I am not saying that the GR Corolla should be revered in rally, since it is not being raced in any championships. I am only saying that it shares DNA with other rally cars, like the AE86. The AE86 had the engine from the first generation MR2, which Toyota had based the 222D rally platform off of. They didn’t end up taking it racing, and instead built the GT-4 celicas. However, this does show a lineage, I’m not pulling shit out of my ass here.
      Plus, there is nothing wrong with the interior of either of these cars, they are simple and made to last. No goofy stuff that’ll break in five years

  • @jacobpoe9746
    @jacobpoe9746 Рік тому +1

    I love my 86! Had it for 9 months already. No mods. I drive it every single day. To work lol. Fun! I like to tell people it’s not fast, it’s quick! Lolol people in Public always compliment it. Only hate you’ll get is on UA-cam !

  • @Sookigarage
    @Sookigarage Рік тому +2

    Right now, you can purchase a GR86 premium (6MT) for $34k or a GR Corolla for $51k. These are the actual dealer prices in my area with markups. Granted, both are hard to get, but the GRC are really hard to pin down. Every single one that is coming to a dealer has a wait list several people deep for it. Good luck to you if you are shopping for one!
    Is the GRC $17k better than the 86/BRZ? That for each person to decide. For me, its a no, dog.

    • @jimbochoo3316
      @jimbochoo3316 Рік тому +1

      Toyota priced the GRC where it should be, people shouldn't overpay 1 penny for it. It has a cheap interior and it's performance isn't anything special beyond it's base price. People are going to regret overpaying for it later.

  • @gurgenmakaryan4428
    @gurgenmakaryan4428 Рік тому +3

    Boxer engines sounds so amazing! I don't understand why people are bothering about the noise, that's the charme of such a car, it's not camry, quite, it's an enthusiast's car!

  • @iJakku
    @iJakku Рік тому +4

    I'm so torn between these two cars. I desire the engine and awd of the corolla but just love the gr86 chasis.
    With equal tires, which of the two is the faster cornering machine would you say?

  • @trigganometry168
    @trigganometry168 Рік тому +2

    Not sure if the GR Corolla is the reason Toyota killed off manual transmission on the se and xse hatchbacks.

  • @billshoe22191
    @billshoe22191 Рік тому +2

    Much prefer the GR86 to the GR Rolla. The GR Rolla I drove was very underwhelming. I don’t get why people are paying over MSRP of the GR Rolla. It definitely will never oversteer in the dry

  • @ioannisioannou7518
    @ioannisioannou7518 Рік тому +5

    Maybe perspective but that side by side makes the 86 look tiny in comparison with the Corolla. Shows you how against the grain the 86 is when even the sibling GR has fallen victim to todays sports-platform oversizing (hint hint M division…)

  • @DoubleOSevan
    @DoubleOSevan Рік тому +11

    Great insight on the back-to-back comparison between these two!
    Subjective opinions on looks aside, I’ll likely be cross-shopping these two along with the new WRX in the near future. Pricing is definitely a major factor: while the GR86/BRZ can be had at MSRP, and the WRX often below MSRP, the GR Corolla and FL5 Type R are really getting marked up into entry level Porsche territory. The WRX, GRC, and Type R seem like better fits for all-around daily drivers; and while the WRX lacks in the braking department, its competence on the road + major price advantage make it a compelling option if you can get over the looks. The BRZ/GR86 have the engaging sports coupe formula down to a T, but in doing so lose some practicality compared to the aforementioned cars.
    Glad to have all these options before the EV wave, but these dealerships are really pushing away many enthusiasts with their practices.

    • @maginext
      @maginext Рік тому +2

      I promise u the gr 86 is very pratical. Unless u need rear seat for passengers. Ive lugged all of my clothing in one large duffle bag, 4 other back packs, car jack, 4 jacl stands, power drill, road bike with a road bike rack.

    • @DoubleOSevan
      @DoubleOSevan Рік тому +3

      @@maginext I can certainly make it work. I used to daily an FRS and have had a ton of other sports cars to compare to. It’s doable, but definitely still a compromise in utility compared to the other 4 door and hatchback options.

  • @wtjj3329
    @wtjj3329 Рік тому +3

    Michelin primacy is not all season, it’s grand touring summer tire, not to be used in the cold

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the correction!

    • @uncleiroh8665
      @uncleiroh8665 Рік тому

      What about the Michelin Pilot 4?

    • @wtjj3329
      @wtjj3329 Рік тому

      @@uncleiroh8665 Same, summer only, unless they are PSAS4

  • @planbparadise2046
    @planbparadise2046 Рік тому +8

    If you want more action from the Rally car you need to give it more speed through the bends 😆

    • @pinnnkyton
      @pinnnkyton 11 місяців тому +1

      Yea he was driving the GRC like it was an 86 lol 😅
      Hes not the one to watch

  • @Jayjewelerofficial
    @Jayjewelerofficial Рік тому +3

    The Corolla engine in the GR86 would be perfect

  • @A_Guy123
    @A_Guy123 Рік тому +6

    The thing that worries me about the aftermarket for this is the same as the SI civic. How much more power can you get out of the tiny engine before putting a hole in your block lol

    • @quintontim
      @quintontim Рік тому +3

      they got up to 500hp. then it
      needs head studs and valve springs. good to go.

    • @cay378
      @cay378 Рік тому +2

      Take a peek at Motive Video’s deep dive and build series on the Yaris. started stretching studs & lifting head around 500whp, otherwise just needed a more robust clutch around 350whp.

    • @Olivia300zx
      @Olivia300zx Рік тому

      It's a stout engine. The cylinder walls are very thick even though it's an open deck. They hold plenty of power

  • @pichkari1632
    @pichkari1632 Рік тому +5

    I'd rather have ElantraN for the sound, adjustable suspension and interior, tech feel than both. Had old brz before and never had "put you back to the seat effect" and felt boring despite being light and nimble. Elantra n for me solved all that and it's such a better feeling everytime i am behind the wheel. Damn it feels fast in n mode and crazy grip and speed in corners.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +5

      Elantra N is a fantastic car but the sloppy shifter/clutch and catfish exterior styling are major turn offs for me. Sounds like a future comparison waiting to happen though!

    • @emissarygw2264
      @emissarygw2264 Рік тому +3

      Agreed on the old 86, but the new one has had a pretty big power bump (power/weight is now comparable to previous gen WRX). Reviewers generally agree that it doesn't feel underpowered anymore.

    • @pichkari1632
      @pichkari1632 Рік тому +1

      So when i wanted to upgrade from brz, test drove new gti whose manual transmission felt pathetic especially linkage and absurdly tall gearing. Compared to that elantra's felt tighter more natural and with way better gearing.
      Honestly compared to old brzs i do prefer hyundai shifter. It feels smoother especially when cold and in lower gears but everyone in forums said it was subaru things and suggested to use lower weight gear oil. I do agree that hyundai feels a bit isolated (feel wise its a bit disjointed) but each gate is smoother. Either way thanks for this vid of these amazing cars and sorry for sidetracking this a bit with unrelated car/topic

  • @1InfinityShade
    @1InfinityShade Рік тому +1

    Hey Zygrene. I agree, the factory exhaust makes me pretty sad. I disabled the fake exhaust and installed a Borla exhaust (part number 140909). It's a huge difference. I have no drone at highway speeds. The tone kinda reminds me of a RB20 round 6-7k RPM. I highly suggest your friend consider replacing the exhaust with the Borla if he wants that OEM plus sound. I also replaced the wheels and tires with RPF1 17x8 +45 in the front +35 in the rear wrapped in DWS 06 225 tires. To rotate tires, I dismount and remount the tires XD
    Ok so the GR Corolla. I haven't had the chance to drive one yet. I am on the list for one. I will see mine later this year, or early next year. I can say, that the GR86 steering weight felt much better with wider ties. I would assume the GR Corolla was designed with the expectation that the owner would switch to wider wheels. With wider wheels, the steering weight will adjust.

  • @dannyphamous
    @dannyphamous Рік тому +3

    I wish the GR corolla was a funner one car solution, excited to see a FL5 comparison. I see many UA-cam reviewers test driving both but end up with the Type-R.

    • @mackeymichael
      @mackeymichael Рік тому +1

      I was disappointed that the GR Corolla comes with the 3-cylinder GR Yaris engine Toyota should have made the Corolla with a 2 Litre 4-cylinder turbo that's what l thought they were going to do.
      The Honda type R will cream this Corolla for an enthusiast.

    • @isaacjones2328
      @isaacjones2328 Рік тому +2

      @@mackeymichael what exactly is wrong with the 1.6 in your opinion?

    • @mackeymichael
      @mackeymichael Рік тому

      @@isaacjones2328 Nothing wrong with it but Corolla should have a 4 cyl engine to compete with the Civic Type R.

  • @dhmallet
    @dhmallet Рік тому

    Very professional. It is clear that you scripted your response, avoiding the usual repetitiveness so common on UA-cam.

  • @apolloandratti7922
    @apolloandratti7922 Рік тому +4

    Good analysis. Didn't see the same level of Zy-Excitement on this one. It seems that the GR Corolla it not living up to expectations (or hype) on driving dynamics. I sat in one and didn't think the driving position and visibility was very good. Also, the hard interior plastics is just not acceptable 40K USD car. The FK8 has a better interior and it came out in 2017. At this price point, the FL5 is a much more compelling proposition from a driving experience and interior quality (assuming AWD is not needed). Plus, hard to beat the FK8/FL5's drivetrain and gearbox. I think this GR should have been priced in the 33-35k range to make sense. The GR 86 is too much of a bargain. In spite of all this, I am very happy Toyota is making this car. Maybe in the used market down the road it would be more appealing. We can then see how that 1.5L highly boosted engine will hold up

  • @aeronYTco
    @aeronYTco Рік тому +2

    Can you turn of that beeping sound in the GR 86 where it tells you to shift to the next gear?

  • @jordano3088
    @jordano3088 Рік тому +1

    My GR Corolla is speced out exactly like this one aside from roof rack. I have to disagree with the gr absorbing bumps. It's extremely harsh ride in Los Angeles Valley roads. Before this I drove an old 2012 Honda civic. As far as noise the engine is perfect for everyday driver. Not so loud it's annoying but sounds loads better and louder than the civic I had (I dont have other cars I can compare too). Exhaust sounds great in person and it makes tons of turbo noises and occasional intake sounds.

    • @404nobrakes
      @404nobrakes Рік тому +1

      People also say the Gr86 absorbs bumps. It does not. When I first bought the car, long trips were giving me headaches.

  • @chheangduong6109
    @chheangduong6109 Рік тому +2

    Yesss, been waiting to see this!

  • @cayman9815
    @cayman9815 Рік тому +3

    GR86 for me pls
    no doubt about that

  • @supamariooo
    @supamariooo Рік тому +7

    Interesting note on the seating position. Kind of takes the fun out of it when you sit high like that - constant reminder that this is an entry level family car.

    • @mark_845
      @mark_845 Рік тому

      It’s been completely been re engineered it barely shares any parts with the regular Corolla

    • @supamariooo
      @supamariooo Рік тому

      @Mark Essa oh wow I didn't know that

    • @mark_845
      @mark_845 Рік тому

      @@supamariooo yea this is the gr Corolla, it’s 40k. 300 hp turbo 3 cylinder with a cool awd system that you can adjust torque distribution from front to rear with. It’s fairly cool lol definitely not a entry level car

    • @supamariooo
      @supamariooo Рік тому

      @@mark_845 lol bro

  • @maximus9401
    @maximus9401 Рік тому +2

    I would like to see a video review or comparison with the new WRX compared to the GR corolla

  • @aaromon43
    @aaromon43 Рік тому +7

    gr86 needs the gr corolla engine/turbo setup, would be insanely fun!

    • @JC-lk3oy
      @JC-lk3oy Рік тому

      Unfortunately it would ruin the driving dynamics. What makes the GR86 shine is the predictable power of that naturally aspirated engine, and the low center of gravity the boxer layout provides.

  • @Joshold
    @Joshold Рік тому +1

    I spit out my toothpaste laughing when he said the owner said the jbl sound system was absolute garbage

    • @SoFarFromCrust
      @SoFarFromCrust Рік тому

      It's definitely mediocre. Not a banger, not tinny. Just middle of the road

  • @Lyod13
    @Lyod13 Рік тому +6

    Dude you just keep rolling out the big hitters! Cant wait to see this channel grow

  • @DonsShed
    @DonsShed 5 місяців тому

    Thank you sooo much for this review. I really needed to hear about the driving dynamics of both cars and for me.... the GR86 ticks more boxes between the two. Cheers Don, Perth W.Australia (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)

  • @abehaile2659
    @abehaile2659 9 місяців тому

    To enter "expert mode"--disabling all electronic safety assistance (except ABS): 1) ENTER SPORT MODE, 2) THEN TRACK MODE 3) THEN TRACTION CONTROL OFF 😬

  • @nikosdimitriadis9987
    @nikosdimitriadis9987 Рік тому +4

    The review I've been waiting for (owning a GR Yaris coming from GT86)!

    • @bennyang8049
      @bennyang8049 Рік тому +3

      Envy you, we cannot have the GR Yaris in the US

    • @nikosdimitriadis9987
      @nikosdimitriadis9987 Рік тому +4

      @@bennyang8049 I would imagine te GRC is not far off (maybe not the base model, certainly the one with LSDs). Would also agree with Zygrene, driving dynamics are completely different, an exhaust easily solves the being too quite problem, a couple of degrees negative camber in front fix the understeer, but forget about drifting in dry tarmac (even in wet you need to push it really hard). But snow drifting in it is a great experience (also time attacks you beat significantly more expensive cars out of the box)

    • @JasonISF
      @JasonISF Рік тому

      ​@@nikosdimitriadis9987 as a former owner of the gen 1 BRZ, how does the GR Yaris compare to the GT86?

    • @nikosdimitriadis9987
      @nikosdimitriadis9987 Рік тому

      @@JasonISF night and day due to AWD vs RWD. Was hard for me to learn how to drift the GRY and only in wet or snow racetracks, in public it gets too dangerous. GT86 was drifting in every single roundabout/corner. Other than that, the GRY is significantly faster on the racetrack than the GT86 (would bet vs the GR86 as well). GT86 much more accessible and very fun at low speeds, GRY you forget fun in public roads and need to be pushed hard to start coming alive

    • @JasonISF
      @JasonISF Рік тому

      ​@@nikosdimitriadis9987 what mods did you have on your GT86? On my BRZ I had coilovers, upgraded sway bars and upgraded tyres so it was pretty quick through the corners and kept up with much more powerful cars in the hills and even on the track.
      I now have an older WRX and while it is a lot faster in a straight line than the BRZ was, it doesn't handle as well or is as 'sporty'/engaging to drive.

  • @Tonga2
    @Tonga2 Рік тому +2

    Sitting to high?? You look like you are barely looking over the steering wheel/Dash !! I’ve sat in a Corolla and didn’t like the forward look. Dash is just to high for forward visibility. Love my 22 BRZ

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +2

      I may be in a minority that prefers to sit really low, as long as I can still see over the dash. The stock GR86 seating position is perfect for me with the seat in its lowest position.

    • @Tonga2
      @Tonga2 Рік тому +1

      @@Zygrene I’m taller then you I’m sure and my seat in my BRZ is almost at top setting so I can look down my hood. I feel forward visibility is good like that.

  • @KTH96
    @KTH96 Рік тому +6

    I think the hype blew all expectations out of proportions for the GRC, no idea why anyone expected a FWD-based AWD system to be a oversteer monster.
    You put it in 30:70 mode on loose/wet surfaces for some hoonery shenanigans and that's it. Love to get one when hype is cooled and markups disappear, though.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +2

      You're spot on. Even I was fooling myself thinking 30/70 mode would provide easy power oversteer on a dry road.

    • @kalmmonke5037
      @kalmmonke5037 Рік тому

      @@Zygrene is there aftermarket for hyrallic steering for at least cars that arnt too heavy , like under 3500lbs? would be great to feel how close to grip limit car is so one can minimize braking and g forces for longveity of fuel, lubricant, tires, brakes, battery (battery degradation killing cars while 90s camry still runs if maintained as instructed) etc. also hydrallic pedals that push back more you push in to make it less muscle straining to hold position and discourage over powering/brkaing. i rerember toyota video of hydrallic anti roll bar that engaged for maintaining momentum around turns in exchange for less suspension movement ie less anti bumpy ride and for land cruiser it helps off roadability to get grip on rocks. it automatically disengaged on road and could be switched on/off. i rerember it was shown in video with animation of a prius... was there a version for sedans/small suvs at some point in trd or gr department? if tesla was front wheel drive it would be more efffceint but maybe that doesn tmatter for saving money for now before govnerment moves tax on petrol to electrity when enough people shift to electric because they plan to make it illegal to sell new combustion cars, if they can even manage the electric grid handling all that much more energy with tx dolars for something that degrades to death sooner but cant be recycled, while petrol is from pools of thick liquid as byproduct of anerobic bacteria so like human donating blood, as long as dont take too much at a time, it wont run dry. but acid rain and smog causing health problems per car cant be tolerated as population grows, although they also say they want to massivly reduce population anyway. maybe if recyling is fixed with maybe tetratinite and salt battery, then ev will be actually cheap to own. the more batteries you add less deagradation but exopnentially more energy going in and out in practical applications because weight, worsensing degradation at some point of adding batery... i dont know what the balanced amount is, small combustion solves not being bale togo unexpected trips, or not enough riving range at very heat/cold, not being able to charge because local grid or lack of chargers, low weight (see aptera owners club video on safety, lightweight, high energy absorbance of crash and human suddenly stoping speed and structural strength, is safe for people in car and for people and weak cars involved in crash). weight also worsen road wear. if fed cared about emisssions saftey etc theyd tax weight and overall emissions like nox etc not c02 bc that doesnt make a difference to natural ice ages etc, and tax lack of longveity per prediction (they dont care). see quantum concious video called reality reveals itself series and romanian tvee video called why woke wont go broke, wireless ability to disable stuff for not behaving or just to make money off softwrae for hardware you already payed for, etc, wireless remote keys allow wireless car theft... maybe thats why new toyota prius doesnt offer wireless key unless pay big money.

    • @nf1369
      @nf1369 Рік тому +4

      The GR-FOUR system is NOT FWD-based.

    • @PandaP-
      @PandaP- Рік тому

      @@nf1369 Its not FWD-bassed, but the entire chassis and shell is made for a FWD car

    • @nf1369
      @nf1369 Рік тому +1

      @@PandaP- Sure, but the original comment said "FWD-based AWD system" which is incorrect.

  • @m4u5
    @m4u5 Рік тому +2

    Great review. What would you recommend for track.. Gr86 or elantra n or gr corolla?

  • @mattheviewer
    @mattheviewer Рік тому

    Good show of how rowing the gears and crack-the-whip handling remain a priority for auto enthusiasts.

  • @slipknotron1626
    @slipknotron1626 Рік тому +1

    The question is what's your budget and what can you afford.....

  • @jn9604
    @jn9604 Рік тому

    I can see the 60:40 split being useful on bad winter days when there is lots of snow and you are just trying to get around.

  • @brotatoechip.akadanielmcli7887

    I put my teenage daughters both in the gr86. What they are designed for. Haha. Just got my GRcorolla and man is it sweet. It’s for fun. I use it as my commuter vehicle. So far so good

  • @BenjiDubss
    @BenjiDubss Рік тому +2

    So which car is more fun to drive? Judging by your response to driving both I think your winner is the GR86

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +2

      On a canyon road, GR86 is much more engaging

    • @kalmmonke5037
      @kalmmonke5037 Рік тому

      @@Zygrene inline 3 sounds good tho, in a lotus elise with some way to get it to sound like a clean k series sound with little white noise type sound.

  • @wayward03
    @wayward03 Рік тому

    With proper tires it's significantly more stable than what you noticed.
    I'm also fairly sure those are crap summer tires and not actually all seasons.

  • @Aeros08
    @Aeros08 Рік тому +1

    How can I deactivate the sound that warns me to change speed in gr86?

  • @anthonycoffey6565
    @anthonycoffey6565 Рік тому

    BRZ/GR86 is actually taller peep friendly. I'm 6' 2" & 260lbs & I fit comfortably. I can't physically get inside an S2000 & a Miata isn't much better 🤪
    Still debating between these 2, hopefully the Toyota dealer up the road can manage to get a GR Corolla on the lot

  • @tinhinnh
    @tinhinnh Рік тому +1

    GRolla is a all business, no nonsense, doesn’t f_ck around car

  • @judge831
    @judge831 Рік тому

    Dude. Why haven't you turned off the shift beep?! That drives me absolutely nuts.

  • @yucolin3876
    @yucolin3876 Рік тому

    The GRC is a dad's car. The dads here will understand what im saying. I have a s2000 to drive on the track if i want the 100% engaging driving experience with 0% practicality. I just need something fun to drive all year around that i can also pick up kid and groceries with. This is the car.

  • @racsowang
    @racsowang Рік тому +3

    The GR Corolla reminds me of the STi Hatchback.

  • @paulshi5974
    @paulshi5974 Рік тому +1

    I'm gonna install some front camber bolts on my GR86 soon. Do you think -1.5 degrees (or matching the rear camber) with stock toe is a good idea?
    Right now I like that the car is stable under rapid directional changes and hard braking, and the car is easy to save if the rear breaks loose. I'd like to keep those. But I'm not a fan of the car giving me a noticeable sense of understeer (not actual understeer) right before rotation happens, and I wanna dial that understeer sense down.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому

      I recommend pairing OEM crash bolts (upper) with SPC adjustable camber bolts (lower). I was able to achieve -2.6 front camber on stock suspension with this setup. These cars need as much negative camber up front as possible to achieve the feel you described, especially on track.

    • @paulshi5974
      @paulshi5974 Рік тому

      @@Zygrene Oh the ones I have are Whiteline 16mm (upper) bolts... They offer +/- 0.75 degrees max. I mostly drive on the streets btw (it's my daily driver). So I guess I just max the negative camber out?

    • @404nobrakes
      @404nobrakes Рік тому

      That's the alignment I have. -1.6 front camber. It's a must do.

  • @psewgobind
    @psewgobind Рік тому

    I prefer Elantra N's usable backseat and potentially faster track car. Looking forward to when the track opens up in the spring and pitting the Korean against the Japanese.

  • @williambellisIII
    @williambellisIII Рік тому +1

    Makes sense and doesn’t make sense to compare these two (I would have produced the same video... I get it). When you compare cars that are apples and oranges, even though our type of enthusiasts love them both), the final answer is usually gonna be “whichever one suits your driving style” or even need of utility level (I have two toddlers).

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +2

      Absolutely. The intent of this video was to focus primarily on driving dynamics.

  • @luckyluke9053
    @luckyluke9053 Рік тому

    Giggling everytime he got on the GRC haha love to see it!

  • @bearclaw5115
    @bearclaw5115 Рік тому +5

    GR86 all day for me. GR Corolla seems less engaging, I'd probably just speed in it all the time to get some thrills.

  • @DC-ke8qp
    @DC-ke8qp Рік тому

    How does the GR Corolla compare against the Sti? In shifting clutch engagment and handling?

  • @CubanDre
    @CubanDre Рік тому

    Compared to your previous videos. You seem a bit underwhelmed by both cars. FL5 vs GRC. Should be an interesting comparison. But I imagine the FL5 is the better all rounder

  • @justinczternastek5346
    @justinczternastek5346 Рік тому

    The price doesn’t make sense. Currently own a 23 Brz would love to have the gr corolla as a winter car

  • @zatchsmp3262
    @zatchsmp3262 Рік тому +2

    I don’t care how good the Corolla is; it’s design is goofy, ugly and looks like a child toy.

  • @bebonotnice1773
    @bebonotnice1773 Рік тому

    Looking to get a fun car currently daily 2012 Accord EXL V6, really loving the 86, anybody have any other suggestions?

  • @shaneh734
    @shaneh734 Рік тому

    Great assessment and comparison!

  • @dougdenton6390
    @dougdenton6390 Рік тому

    Would love to hear more about these 18 inch optional wheels... that way we can evaluate your expertise, understanding and opinion of the car 😂

  • @jbrandon302
    @jbrandon302 Рік тому

    Still not convinced the GRC is worth its price tag. I would have to drive one to really decide. That being said at 40k there are a ton of sportier cars out there. Gr86 is cool though.

  • @hasonlavajunk9774
    @hasonlavajunk9774 Рік тому

    Lame the seat won’t go lower…you look to be seated way too high to be in a good performance position.
    Also, a peddle commander or sprint booster should dial out the initial acceleration lag.

  • @kevindepew8193
    @kevindepew8193 Рік тому

    I like the practicality of the GR Corolla, but not the significant extra weight, the looks, or the 3 cylinder turbo engine.

  • @vyprjer03
    @vyprjer03 Рік тому

    This might sound stupid because i know the obvious answer about power.. but i currently have a 2018 Mustang Ecoboost and i have the opportunity to get either one of these cars.. I prefer the look of the GR86 but will the power be a drastic change? I like the mustangs torque and i know the 86 has a lot less.. as for the corolla, i don’t know how to drive a manual so that’d be a big learning curve for me.. I’m not a car expert either, so go easy on me 😂

  • @RipFreddy
    @RipFreddy 21 день тому

    The Hans Kim of car reviewers

  • @treeskier802
    @treeskier802 Рік тому

    How would the 2023 Golf R compare?

  • @alexandram9477
    @alexandram9477 Рік тому

    I guess the GRC can be 2 things the BRZ/86 can't be - a rally car monster and/or a fun practical single car solution daily but it's not the raw RWD sports car feel in the BRZ/86, even with it's most rear biased setting?

    • @nikosdimitriadis9987
      @nikosdimitriadis9987 Рік тому +2

      Spot on, whoever thinks the 70/30 mode turns it into a RWD drive is in for a big disappointment. This is proper AWD gripping everywhere and different dynamics (also needs to be pushed harder to come alive)

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +1

      I've seen videos of these cars holding big drifts in the snow, but that's a very limited use case. Hoping to test one of these on track soon.

    • @nikosdimitriadis9987
      @nikosdimitriadis9987 Рік тому

      @@Zygrene for sure, this is where I go for irrigated drift sessions (not me driving and I am not as good in holding the drift so long - its much harder than it looks): ua-cam.com/video/O64m4t5KUG0/v-deo.html

  • @griffincui
    @griffincui Рік тому

    Nice review, and keep it up!

  • @olegyurchak8842
    @olegyurchak8842 Рік тому

    Did you actually put it in race mode? I didn't see gauge cluster change. Not that it matters much.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +1

      I put it in Track mode, but it didn't make a noticeable difference on this higher speed road. Looking forward to testing another GR Corolla on my favorite road soon.

  • @mpalaios23
    @mpalaios23 Рік тому

    What is the name of the phone stand u have on the 86???

  • @singular9
    @singular9 Рік тому

    I have pretty much always said this, until toyota puts a toyota built motor into the 86 platform, I won't bother.
    Boxer engines are old, clunky to work on, inefficient, unreliable more often than I would like, heavy, etc.
    I am pretty sure they could stuff the 3 cylinder into the gr86 and it would work just fine and would probably be better. Heck, honestly the A25A FKS with 5w30 oil would probably perform just fine in such an application.

  • @zamathanzamsinger978
    @zamathanzamsinger978 Рік тому

    is there an aftermarket oil cooler on that gr86? I noticed even with your decently hard pulls it was in the 180s. Mine rockets to 220 on the highway entrance ramp with stock cooler.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому

      Yup, Jackson Racing oil cooler

    • @zamathanzamsinger978
      @zamathanzamsinger978 Рік тому

      ​@@Zygrene nice, 0w20 or have you changed? I'm running 5w30rn to compensate for big temps on track.

  • @finboyYYC
    @finboyYYC Рік тому +3

    I badly want the GR corolla motor in the GR86, toyota is testing that combo but don't seem to be quick to make it production

    • @FATmenDRIVEtrucks
      @FATmenDRIVEtrucks Рік тому

      This with no upcharge sounds great

    • @finboyYYC
      @finboyYYC Рік тому +1

      @@FATmenDRIVEtrucks I'd even take upcharge if it doesn't cost more than the GR corolla, but then dealers will add $20k for themselves i'm sure

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Рік тому +4

      This would be SICK, but probably would eat into Supra sales

    • @emissarygw2264
      @emissarygw2264 Рік тому

      I'm more curious how things are looking in terms of getting aftermarket turbo/supercharger kits. Sounds like people have recently made breakthroughs on the ECU, so maybe soon ish?

  • @LizardMane
    @LizardMane Рік тому +1

    its definitely worth the money. more comfort, more power, more interior space and truck. the 86 is meh

  • @Perfectjzman
    @Perfectjzman Рік тому

    I can't be the only car guy that could give a crap how a car sounds, how it drives is what matters.

  • @Vellano43
    @Vellano43 Рік тому

    You should compare the gr Corolla to the last WRX STI

  • @ballstothewall38
    @ballstothewall38 Рік тому

    The fact that the GR86 doesn't have the same 3 banger as the Yaris and Rolla GR is ridiculous.

  • @keenesaulcrescini8687
    @keenesaulcrescini8687 Рік тому

    1000th like! Awesome vid, man!

  • @ivannachoo
    @ivannachoo Рік тому +1

    I prefer, "Smiles per miles."

  • @shahrukhbakar3248
    @shahrukhbakar3248 Рік тому +3

    I would have bought the GR86 but I just cannot support buying an engine with such a blatant RTV sealant issue.

  • @rulesnut
    @rulesnut Рік тому

    Why are you reviewing two cars that a completely unavailable?

  • @pv4083
    @pv4083 Рік тому +1

    All of these new “sports cars” only make me wish I fit into a Miata…😢

    • @kalmmonke5037
      @kalmmonke5037 Рік тому

      lotus elise final edition still has hydrallic steering to communcaite how cloe to grip limit things car much better

    • @theredsalmon612
      @theredsalmon612 Рік тому

      Same man, sat in an nc Miata last week and my head went above the windshield

  • @jorgeortiz1532
    @jorgeortiz1532 Рік тому

    I love both cars they are great but the GR corolla hb is 🔥🔥

  • @RuiMeirelesPacheco
    @RuiMeirelesPacheco Рік тому +1

    How can the 86 sound so bad! It irritates my ears. I’ll go watch one of your S2000 videos to soothe them after this…

  • @saiyan2525
    @saiyan2525 Рік тому

    5-60 mph corolla is only a few tenths faster, signifying the turbo lag even tho it has over 70 hp

  • @judge831
    @judge831 Рік тому

    There is no reason to have a turbo car if all the turbo souls have been muted out. I'll always take the responsiveness of a naturally aspirated engine over a turbo...unless it sounds like I'm driving a jet.

  • @gigi9467
    @gigi9467 Рік тому

    This is more like Subaru vs toyota comparison, being that the cars are soo different and the prices are completely different too.

  • @victoryspirit
    @victoryspirit Рік тому

    where in vegas is this? i wanna drive there :O

  • @brz.oph1
    @brz.oph1 Рік тому

    They just need to put the gr 1.6 engine into the 86/brz