Ultralight Vs Traditional Packs - What's the Best for you?
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I like how he puts the metric sistem on the video, we apreciate you man
Real ultralighters should just carry a Safeway bag.
Safeway bag are still too heavy.
I prefer using a brown paper bag on my thru hikes
Wrap stuff up in banana leaves
Watched an overnighter in Haleakala carry only a water jug and a grocery bag.
To much. Take what you are wearing, a water bottle, and a pocket full of granola bars. Hike light, hike fast, hike far. LOL.
I like ultra heavy back packs. That's why I'm coming out with my own line, it's basically a Mini fridge with a hip belt and thick foam shoulder straps. It's also water proof and submersible and acts as a dive weight/ bear can/ seat/ shooting target because its made out of ar500 steel. Coming in a miniscule weight of 275lbs. So light your body building grandma could wear one on the pct.
$899.49
No warranties
Not responsible for broken backs and slipped discs.
I'm impressed with your ideas maybe we could set up a partnership to produce a suitably beefed up heavy duty model that can do double duty as a bombproof safe with optional add on mini bunker for shtf situations. We need to act fast before the big boys jump in and steal our ideas and flood the with cheapo low grade imitations. I feel there is an important niche market we could exploit to our mutual advantage.
Don't forget about the ultralight titanium model with 3 way power ( ac/dc/propane) only 100 lbs, plus the propane tank. Custom titanium 20 lb size tank sold separately
Ice makers are optional
Lmfao
let's get those leg gains
lol
I love when you do these types of videos! When you give us the pros and cons of the options out there is a lot easier to swallow rather than telling us what we have to get like there are no other options. These style of videos definitely help to promote “ Hike your own hike!” Thank you!
No prob Gabby! I try to make my videos as Broad as possible! There is No 1 Right Way to Hike!
Hike On,
Darwin
@@SteveZ1 13 lbs is ultralight bro
The more I see about ultralight, the more I dislike it. I really dislike the idea of something that isn't meant to last. I can see the allure, but it's not a world I want to get into.
What I do like is taking aspects of ultralight to make my hike more comfortable.
StreetDogSteve me too getting a ultra light sleeping bag and trying to get lighter clothes
Yea, the "big three" I take the most ultralight inspiration from, lol. And cookware, I suppose.
A pack that can last 1-2 thru hikes is still good for 2,000-5,000 trail miles. For many weekend warriors, that is basically a lifetime of use. I'm a weekend warrior and my Zpacks Zero (81 grams) has lasted me over ten years and still looks perfect.
@@StormGod29 The thing that catches me most is the footwear. I'm the kind of guy who seeks out the stuff that lasts 10 years of daily use, with resoling being the main to repair/replace. I'm also pretty tough on my stuff, into bushwacking, etc. So i'm really in a whole other world where the durability aspect is the most important.
@@blacksunapocalypse Yeah I could see UL footware not being a good fit if you want to bushwack for 10 years before needing to replace. You probably do want full leather waffle stompers for that but man they weigh a ton! My little NB minimus trails have been awesome for me over the last bunch of years but I don't bushwack either: backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/48992/
I thru hiked in 86. Used an Aluminum external frame pack by Diamond Brand. Alot of hikers used Gregory internal frame packs back then. They did not hold up well. My frame back was awesome. It held up well, and when I wore out some straps, I contacted Diamond Brand and they sent me all I needed for free at general delivery. It was cool on the hot days, compartmentalized my gear and in general, withstood all the abuse I gave it. Minimalist hiking sounds cool, expensive and you can't take with you all the stuff I enjoyed. small tent, stove, etc. Times have changed and I have no regrets.
I wonder how much your load was back then.
Probably 40lbs or so I'd guess
Great informative video! Side note; after two through hikes (AT and PCT), multiple section hikes and international travel, my Osprey Atmos 50 gave out (right before a 9 day solo trip to Scotland that was cancelled in April). Osprey lived up to their stellar reputation and replaced my old, none-repairable pack, with a brand new one.
I know this is a really old comment, but... Was your normal wear and tear covered by the warranty?
@@jelmermulder7276 It sure was! Stuck by their warranty and great service.
A pack that costs over $300 bare bones, and likely well over $400 once you get "extras" like shoulder straps and a hip belt LOL, that only lasts one or two hiking trips?!?!?! WTF! No thanks. I'll just get in better shape so that I can carry the extra two-three pounds. Who wants a pack they're nervous to set on the ground? And as far as being waterproof, pack covers are basically weightless. I think your average hiker should focus on losing 2-3 pounds off their belly as opposed to buying stupid expensive gear that sheds 2-3 pounds. Maybe if they carried the heavier pack they WOULD lose those 2-3 lbs off their belly.
This whole ultra light movement... I get it. It makes sense to lighten the load. Use a roll-up sleeping pad instead of dragging a metal cot and walmart home-use air mattress. Use a small canister propane stove instead of dragging your house grill. Buy small lightweight cook pots instead of bringing along a 12" Lodge cast iron pan. Light weight gear is good; but the money some people drop in order save mere ounces in insane, especially when the products mere ounces heavier costs half the price!!!
It is an obsession many people have to chase weightlessness, and an obscenely expensive obsession at that.
BCB I’ve seen a comment saying “ultra-lighters are basically hipsters of the hiking world” and I couldn’t agree more 😂
This backpacker is not camping for the weekend he's going on trails that can take 6 months to cross in the wild. Trust me no one doing a thru hike of the Appalachian, Pacific or the Continental Divide Trail is carrying air pumps, and heavy grills. Some of these gear can mean the difference between life and death. Any chaffing because of a heavy load that gets infected is self medicated. Not saying ultra light gear is the way to go...just whatever suits each person.
kokoro37 Hate to say it but you completely missed the point the original commenter meant. He means it’s an absolutely ridiculous price for something that any normal person will be worried about putting on the floor due to the material being thinner than cheap toilet paper. The majority of people use normal weighted gear do just fine. Personally I believe the whole ‘ultra-light’ movement is a money making farce, you can lighten your pack without spending nearly 2k on a bag, tent, and sleeping bag. It’s gotten to the point where you’re almost looked down upon if you aren’t fully kitted out with extortionate Zpacks gear 😂
@@stoffmiester I'm not missing the point. I never said that I think the price is justified for the quality just to save weight. I'm trying to clairfy for the people new to the channel that this particular hiker is backpacking from Mexico to Canada and is not toting around a metal cot. Although you might know about zpacks it doesn't seem like the original poster of this thread does. Just giving some context for why some hikers might opt for the flimsy, expensive stuff.
Well put.
Ultralight are like the hipsters of the backpacking world.
burnsybros Ultralight = a cup of soup per day. No thanks
ultralight is lighter and lighter feels nicer
Erich Diehl i carry everything i used to includong comfort items. But i got my weight down to 20lbs for 3 days. I carried the same things at 40lbs before going ultralight.
I would say go ultralight on things that are not treated roughly. (And if you can without breaking the bank...) Things like jackets, tents, boots and backpacks for hiking, should not be ultralight. They should be as solid as possible, and
take all the beating the weather, rocks and rivers may throw at them. All items labelled ultralight I have either had or heard of, probably lasted maximium 1-2 years, before they broke apart.
Think ahead, that your gear should be there for you also in 10 or twenty years. A lifetime guarantee is of course a great plus.
daconicon had all of my ultralight gear for about three years now with no problems. Also hiking boots are kind of awful...
Thanks for converting to kilos!
i like that you dont bash normal packs even though you made the switch. i try to find a balance with my activities. im often off the trail hunting so i need a pack that can take branches and such. check out hill people gear. they got a ridiculously comfortable harness system. but past the pack everything else i look for lightweight. when i'm bedding down i dont need a bullet proof set up, it's easy enough to take care of gear. at least for me if i spend the money i don't care to "test" it, i rely on my research and from what others say.
Just discovered your videos from an RV friend. You videos are absolutely AWESOME. thank you so much. they are SO informative. you are great at telling it like it is and are seriously fun to watch.
I think I'll stick with a traditional osprey for my world travel backpacking 😂
Just remember that rucksack cover!
You travel the world 🥰? Wow that's so... pretentious.
im using an Osprey rook 65 for 1-3 night backpacking trips, its fantastic so far, only got to use it twice before the pandemic shut trails down by me tho looking forward to getting back out with it soon, maybe ill make a video on it, i havnt made one in ages anyway.
Andre Richard how is that pretentious?
@@andrerichard628 mmm its durable nylon over delicate light weight cloth that is a mess if damaged. You missed the point.
Thanks for another very informative video. You are able to convey a great deal of useful information, without being tedious .. as always .. Kudos.
Love the pro and con aspects and the honest about each bag. Thanks!
I noticed that you've been mentioning The North Face ever since you got that question about their gear a few weeks ago. I love how you take every question you receive and use them to learn and to grow as a channel!
I love my granite gear! Like you said, it's middle of the road, light enough to be almost ultralight, but capable for bigger loads for those winter trips!
I have a Granite Gear 39 L and I love it. I also have a Zpack Blast and I am not sure which one I love more. Both great packs. The Granite Gear was a great deal on line. I think I paid about 135 dollar.
Great overview! I love hearing how "heavy" packs are at 4 lbs. My pack weighs nearly 7 lbs. empty; it was a great internal frame pack when I bought it in 2006. It's really comfy and it carries weight very well. On the other hand, I'm now swapping it for one that weighs around 2 lbs. :)
Once again you knock it out of the park, thanks for your time in making these videos it really does add value to the hiking community.
Love your informative videos. I'm just getting back into backpacking after 25 years. Things have changed A LOT during that time. I did a lot of research online, talked to some backpackers, and tried on some different types of packs. I decided on a mid type pack...the ULA CIRCUIT. I've done a weekend trip and a week long trip with it and love this pack! It's simple, well made and very comfortable.
There seem to be a lot of well made packs out there now. I'm in the process of getting my base weight lower and eventually I hope to try an ultralight pack. Thanks for the great video!
I'm taking a ULA OHM on the AT in March. Great pack. Absolutely love it. Anything Shug endorsed I've found works great.
A diy 4 stick bamboo frame with a Tyvex shell sheet bundled ...
That sounds so uncomfortable...
I purchased a Kelty Tioga 5500 External Frame Backpack and I love it . Been using it for about four years now . I love how I can stuff alot of items in this backpack . It has quick adjustments, built with durable material .
ioloAvatar 84 still have my Tioga that I used back in the 80’s. Thinking about busting it out for this weekend’s overnight, just for old times sake.
@@mikesalvatore2024 yup , that what I do when I get home from work .I escape from today's reality . Especially now of what's going on in the world .I gear up walk to my creek . I live in the city but a 5 to 10 min walk and I'm entering the park or creek , fields and etc . Do a little brush crafting, jamming classic rock , power metal or progressive rock , you name it . I even listen to the Highwaymen . Been doing this heavily for the last four years now . I guess I used to do it back in the early and late 80's but stopped doing it for some reason . Maybe I was jammin my C64 too much , partying, being a teenager. Then I have two kids .Taking care of my kids , raising them and etc . Trying to get my kids into it but they have there own life I guess . Anyways I also have some Maxpedition gear . They also have great products . Take care and Godspeed .
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I bought the new version of the Gregory Deva 60. Will be going on my first overnight backpacking trip this weekend. Thanks to you and all your informative videos 😊
How many ounces could you save with a haircut and a shave?
Speaking from experience, roughly 486 oz. lol.
Dont forget removing nails and who needs a pinky tow anyways
I removed one of my balls to lower my base weight.
Got an old 40 liter JanSport traditional that weighs 26 oz. Works great for long trails and just big enough. Thanks Darwin.
Good video. When talking about the bells and whistles, that is one reason why I like military surplus gear. Although heavy, I can add the pouches I want.
I am doing tons of research for a long distance hike in 2020. After a few weeks I have concluded that your voice and delivery is the easiest on the ears. Tonight I am looking at packs and remembered you - here I am. I hope the channel is benefiting you because it sure is helping me.
I’m using the Osprey exos 58 and it is such a wonderful pack!
Gossamer Gear Kumo changed my life!
Love your videos. Just getting into hiking and backpacking, trying to get my gear together and get out on some trails. Can't wait to see more of your videos.
My Gregory Baltoro 75 has served me well. Although heavier, I really enjoy how comfortable the pack is. I try to go UL on other gear to make-up for the heavier traditional pack. Thanks for your videos.
Great video. I use an MLD Prophet, which is in the frameless UL category here. I totally love it and it's tough as nails, but it took me a while to get my gear dialed down to the point where a frameless pack was a good option. My first pack was in your "middle of the road" category, a Boreas Buttermilks 55, which was great as a bargain pack for a (then) newbie. I paid about $120 for it with a discount.
I know a lot of people get tired of hearing UL-ers preach, but as a slightly-past-middle-age guy, I have to evangelize. Going UL (barely...my typical 3-season base weight is right at 9.5 lbs.) made a HUGE positive impact on how good my body felt at the end of a long day, especially my knees.
Nice! MLD packs have ben on my list of "Next To Try".... I really like their designs. Clean & Simple!
Hike On,
Darwin
I been using the osprey expo58. Holds everything I need and some and fits good when loaded. Great videos Darwin hike on brother👍🐾🌲
Hey Darwin. Great video! I ordered the zpacks arc haul should be coming today! I'm super excited to try this pack. Thanks for all your info!!
Great timing on this. I've gotten my weight down a lot and the tent and pack choices are all that's left (just 2 of the big 3 lol). I've had the Atmos 65AG and love it (other than the pockets) and have been wavering between several of these as well as the ULA Circuit. Not ready for frameless with a 14lb base (incl mirrorless camera). This, as always, gives great choices and info. Thanks Darwin.
I've been using the Teton Sport LE Scout 3400 for about 2 years now. It's a little heavier (at about 4lbs) but works well for me on my shorter weekend trips.
Great vid! The REI Flash seems to be a great "middle of the road" pack too. Reasonably lightweight and *extremely* configurable.
Very Good! I have been using the Osprey Exos 48 for the last 2 years. Zpacks has been on my next pack list for some time now.
Thanks for the awesome content Darwin! Keep up the awesome videos!
I use the ULA Circuit. Small company out of Utah. Lifetime warranty. Weighs in at 2.5 lbs so not ultralight but fits me great.
Same here .... love it
Ditto
I like ULA. I have the ULA Epic for packrafting. Lifetime warranty too. Lighter packs can't have lifetime warrantees because they are too fragile. The ULA Epic weighs 2 to 2.5 lbs, and about 2.5 to 3 lbs with a 65 L dry bag (needed for packrafting). A very comfortable pack that can handle high loads including my packraft, paddles and drysuit for those week-long backpacking-packrafting combination trips.
ULA was, is, and will be the PCT’s darling. And not even a mention? Hmmmmmmm.
I have a ULA Catalyst, weighs about 2.5 lbs. I haven't used it on any long hikes but it has been great so far for overnighters and heavy day use. ULA is a well known company in the through hiker community and for good reason. Their packs hold up to the rigors of extended, hard use.
Been using an Osprey Exos 58 for a couple of years. I also had a Superior Wilderness Designs pack for a summer, which didn't work out. Currently I am using a MLD Prophet and really like it so far.
Nice! I've heard great things about the Prophet! An MLD Pack is next on my list to play with!
Hike On,
Darwin
Darwin onthetrail Ron does great work! You won't regret it
What do you mean that the SWD didn’t work out? What didn’t you like about it?
Stu Minnis ordered the wrong size
Got my SWD long haul 50 pack last spring. Absolutely love it! Now it feels odd putting on the Exos.
Great summary Darwin. I switched this year to the Z Packs Arc Haul Zip (from a very heavy Osprey 85 l). It is super lightweight, as all Z Packs are, but allows me to carry a little more than the Arc Blast (up to 40 lbs, but I am getting my base weight down to under 20, so I'm good). I took it out to Rocksylvania and it was GREAT! It took all my gear and the zipper access made it easy to pack. It is indeed waterproof and the "minimalist" shoulder straps and hip belt were, surprisingly, extremely comfortable. I am sold!. It lightened my load and made hiking up and down those pesky rocks easier. Could not recommend it more highly! Hike on. Tortoise
I just got the Klättermusen "Raido 38L", and OMG; FINALLY a backpack that lives up to my hopes and expectations..! Quality, functionality, design, and comfort, in a relatively lightweight option. I love their choice of quality materials, like the metal buckle on the hip belt - instead of those cheap plastic "clip on" things that breaks easily if you manage to step on it (like i did; which is really annoying). It weighs 1.24kg (on my scale), which is really good considering it has an external aluminum frame, and all the comfort stuff you find on much heavier backpacks..! Its side pockets are big enough to stuff the Duplex tent, which makes it very difficult to reach into those compartments for a water bottle, but they sell bottle holders to clip on to the shoulder straps, and i think this is much better anyway. This pack has no lid with a pocket to store smaller items, but they sell different sized pockets that can be clipped on to different areas of the backpack, like where the lid would have been, and/or on the back. The small version of these pockets can be attached to the hip belt, and they also sell big 6 liter pockets that can be attached to the sides to considerably expand storage capacity. Selling these pockets as accessories means that it is easy to replace them if they should get damaged 👍
If there are traditional and ultra light packs, I think the middle of the road pack should just be called the "light" pack.
Hence, LIGHTweight backpacking. It's already a thing.
Good video Darwin. I have progressed along the backpack continuum in much the same manner as you. AG 65 to the Maripposa, and now settled in to the Arc Haul. All great packs in their own right, but reducing weight without giving up capability has become a fun, but expensive, challenge.
Nice! It's all about Evolving as a Hiker!
Hike On,
Darwin
John Seed doing backpack reviews...
I f‘in love it !!! 😂🤘🏻
Thank you for this, Darwin. So many guides just focus on size and not type or style of pack. I am in the middle of choosing between 3 different packs, 1 very comfortable with the back suspension and 2 simpler (thought not ultralight) hybrids. Your video helped me decide what's best for me.
I've tried several different types of packs and surprisingly one of my favorites turned out to be a $90 "3 Day Condor Assault Backpack," which I use to build my normal 24 hour, 48 hour, and 72 hour Survival Bug Out Bags and I also use a $55 "Flying Circle Presidio Pack" for a lightweight 24 hour Survival Bug Out Bag that I keep in my vehicle and I do go hiking and camping with these bug out bags I use and build. If you look up my full name on UA-cam I have a 24 hour and 72 hour Survival Bug Out Bag videos but they are couple part segmented videos!
I'm using a Fjällräven kaipak backpack. It's made from waxed g1000 heavy duty and is extremely durable and comfortable. The only downside of it is the weight. Compared to similar backpacks it's quite heavy.
My current pack is the ULA Circuit and I love it!
I really enjoy your videos!
Hey Darwin. I want to thank you for putting in the metric weights of the packs. It saved me from having to do the conversion myself. :-) Thanks for thinking of your non-American and non-British viewers who are used to using metric measurements, and not imperial. I love your videos.
I have an old shoulder and neck injury, but is still able to do some trecking with the right pack. The weight is not a problem as long as I can put the load on the hip rather than the shoulders. I use a Haglof Lax 110 liters. Not that I need the space, bit because it sits just right with my body. And it gives plenty of room for those winter hikes.
My print is: a backpack is very personal, and whats suits me may be total wrong for you.
Hike Your Own Hike!
Hike On,
Darwin
Have you ever thought about one of those packwheel things?
What ever works for you, but I looked up the pack just to see... damn. $500 and almost 8lb. Just the "brain" is 20L. That is a beast.
Have you tried a Mountain Smith Lumbar Pack?
The ultimate ultralight setup is just carrying a knife and knowing how to make everything you need out of the bush lol
Darwin,
I realize this is an older video. But your stuff is so on target! Thinking about changing up my wonderful Osprey just lately and come across this. Thank you many times over!!
Love your stuff man, it really helps a lot. Keep it up!
Hey Darwin, can you make a quick video showing what a DCF pack looks like when it “breaks down” as you described. Thank you.
Super helpful, other vids too. You're good at what you're doing, thank you for sharing ;)
I started with a Gregory Baltoro and returned it for the previous gen Atmos 65. Beginning of this year I got a ZPacks Arc Haul. I hiked the HST with it this summer and love it. I also had a Osprey Aether but it was overkill (size and weight) and returned it. My ZPacks with extras was $450! But it's also been the best pack I've owned so far. I thought traditional externals might be making a comeback with the Vargo Ti-Arc. Keep it up Darwin! Looking forward to following along with your PCT videos next year!
Awesome video, informative, balanced, clear. Thanks for sharing!
I think what Zpacks sells for shoulder straps and hip belts is insulting. Every penny you spend goes into a yard of fabric. Then they take the old shoulder straps off of Coleman external frame packs from the late 80's and sew them onto Cuban fiber. With all the tech thats out there today (look at Arc'Teryx, Gregory, Ospery) and your $300+ pack has single layer open cell egg crate foam. Insulting what they charge and what we'll pay for a glorified "composite" contractor bag with sewn on straps.
I for one like all the choices available today. It matters not that one persons dream pack is the object of anothers' disdain. BTW...they do not use the same webbing found on an old Coleman anything. IIn the search for the lightest, you cannot use seat belt material from an old chrysler.
I'll support cottage companies, but certainly not Zpacks. They charge beyond reasonable, but if there are people out there willing to shell out that money...
@@deadz0ne42 I wouldn't call Zpacks pretty cheap in comparison. I would call them less exorbitant in comparison. I wouldn't buy from either company. Lightheart Gear is quality and you can get a spacious SoLong 6 for half the price of a duplex. I love mine. Six Moon Designs is quality and is even cheaper than Lightheart Gear. I'm sure I'm missing some others. I think if people are so uptight about saving a matter of ounces (and certainly not saying you are one of them), then maybe they should look into tarp camping.
@@jdc9023
It's a little hard to do a fair comparison between the companies, but I will try.
I will not involve the Lightheart Gear, since they don't have any DCF option for sale, so that is not even close to an apple to apple comparison.
So let's look at the price comparison between the "cheap" Six Moon Designs and the "exorbitant" Zpacks where a reasonable apple to apple comparison can be done.
One person non-bug proof shelter:
Zpacks Pocket Tarp: $199
Or Zpacks Flat Tarp: $235
vs
SMD Deschutes Zero-G: $400
Point to Zpacks.
One person bug proof shelter:
Zpacks Plexamid Tent: $549
vs
SMD Deschutes Zero-G and Serenity Net Tent: $525
Point to SMD.
Two person bug proof shelter:
Zpacks Duplex tent: $599
vs
SMD Haven Zero-G and Haven NetTent: $660
Point to Zpacks.
Well, Zpacks the "Exorbitant" beat SMD the "Cheap" with 2-1 in a price comparison.
Now, this is still not an apple to apple, the non-bug proof shelters compare two options without 360 degree weather protection against one that have, the other two comparisons is single wall versus double wall shelters, so it's still only close in function, though it is a fair comparison when you compare the two companies using the same material (although I think Zpacks using the .51 DCF while SMD is using the .74).
To be as fair as possible, if you want a DCF shelter Zpacks is at the same price range, if you don't want a DCF shelter, Zpacks isn't an option.
But as pointed out earlier in the thread Hyperlite Mountain Gear is really expensive! That is the "Exorbitant" company.
I currently us the Deuter ACT Zero, it is very comfortable, just the single big compartment with the side stretch pockets. perfect for the middle of the road light weight set up. I have cut a ton of weight, but still like a few comforts. Happy Hiking
Nice!.... I have never used their Packs personally, but that one looks decent!
Hike On,
Darwin
I have an Atmos 50 AG and an Exos 48, love them both and very adaptable to match what kinda hike you want!
recently picked up the 2019 Granite Gear Blaze 60 and it's phenomenal; basically a perfect balance between internal frame and UL packs. it's exactly what I was looking for; great for multi-use, light enough for thru-hikes and sturdy enough for hunting.
Awesome info thanks for sharing osprey aether 70 is my pack of choice
I used a 90L Kelty for about 9 years before I realized I didn't need half the space. I switched to the Exos 48 and lost 3lbs of waste
I love my Aether 70ag! Yes, it’s a little heavy @5lb 4oz. But if you remove the brain, it’s more like 4lb 9oz and 57 liters (Osprey tech support told me the size, I just weighed it myself). The added flap allows it to work brain-less. One pack can serve double duty: 57L is small enough to go solo, longer distance. But if needed for group hikes (like with the Scouts or something), the 70L comes in handy. The brain actually came in handy on one hike over the Summer... my nephew tore his book-bag-type pack with two more days to go. I pulled the brain off and he used it as a day pack the rest of the trip.
@@WhoIsThisGodPersonAnyway Yup. The bigger the bag, the more stuff you take... We're all gear heads to some extent and love to bring all that cool stuff, and now you can.
Just got my first overnight pack, Osprey Exos 58L, this week! $132 sale price was impossible to pass on. Tried on the heavier Atmos and Aether at REI, but just couldn't justify the additional 2+ lbs in pack weight. I think the lower load capacity will help me keep my setup as dialed as possible. Did 4 miles yesterday with a 20lb load and it felt good. Looking forward to putting it to the test. Cheers!
I saw so many of those out on the AT! I Haven't rocked 1 myself, but it's gotta be a good pack!
Hike On,
Darwin
I've been really happy with my Exos 58. The shoulder and hip belts are super comfortable for being as lightweight as they are, and the whole rig sits nicely as long as you keep the weight below 25# or so. I think I'm going to ditch the brain for my next trip and keep my small items in a small stuff sack in the main compartment, though -- I get so sick of flopping that thing back and forth trying to find stuff in it!
Started with a SMD Fusion 50, but it made my back very sweaty. Moved to a GG Virga 2 to go lighter without dropping Zpacks money but it still made my back/butt drenched by the end of a long day. Finally decided to either get the Arc Blast or an Osprey Ul for the ventilation. The Zpacks was going to be ~$385 the way I wanted it specced. The Exos 48L went on sale for $109 and decided between the comfort and the warranty that for me, it was the better decision.
Keep making great videos!
Darwin, Very helpful that you compare classes of gear, not just specific types. I love my Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60, which might qualify as what you call a "middle of the road pack," but weighs only 2 lbs. You can remove the frame hoop and/or hipbelt to go lighter, though not the brain. The foam pad which gives the pack shape and protects your back comes out, to use as a sit pad. Pockets are sized perfectly for small tent or hammock on one side and water bottles/bladder and cook kit on the other, plus elastic mesh pocket on front for rain gear etc. I still use my "traditional" and external frame packs for when hauling extra gear, but as I grow older it is easier on my joints if I lighten the load. Your site has really helped me figure out how to do that though I don't go as light or far as you do, so iIstill use a tent rather than a tarp, for example.
Hi Darwin, love your videos. I recently used an Osprey pack to trek to EBC and the one issue I found was that I needed to take the pack off every time I wanted something. This was not always safe or possible depending on where I was on the trail. In fact, if I use the pack again, I will probably replace all the "decorative" stretchy pockets for useable ones and would need a front pack. Have you trialled any of the front kit packs at all? I want a small pack on my front so I can easily grab my water, camera, snacks etc. without having to stop and take the pack off to reach them.
Been using my Osprey Exo for over 2 years including two long hikes like Canadian Rocky and Grand Canyon Royal Arch loop.
Still going strong and if i change my backpack, it will be the same one just different color :)
I bought a used one off of ebay, and took it on a smaller hike. Really enjoyed it. I got the one that still has the hip pockets, which apparently was removed for the newest versions.... hopefully by the time I destroy it, they'll have brought them back for my replacements :P
I would also recommend looking at the Osprey Talon if you think you could downsize! All of the toughness, features, and comfort in carrying but shaves off another pound or so
Good video. Useful info provided in simple format.
I really like Darwin's videos and his outlook on backpacking. He's definitely tried it all and very open minded. Plus he always reminds you it's all about the individual and what they like. I recently just bought a Rush 72 and love it more than my hyperlight 55L. Reason why is because I feel like that bag will break down on me at any moment, especially since I throw my bag around.
3f ul gear - 40l +16l, 50 e awesome backpack for cheap price ! Keep it up
The old Granite Gear C60 love that pack
I got my zpack Nero after seeing your video. I love that thing. I use it as a day pack and overnight backpacking pack trip here in LA!
I really love mine too! Get for Smaller/Faster Hikes for Sure!
Hike On,
Darwin
Long-time viewer, first time commenter. I have the Granite Gear Crown 2; love it. Took the plastic frame out on lighter loads. Without the frame, it's under 2lbs. Going to try leaving the plastic frame out and using a cut to torso-length Thermarest Z-Lite as a soft "frame". I am eyeing Zpacks Arc Haul though. Pretty tough on my packs, I'll ruin the Arc Blast too quick.
The Crown is a really great pack! The Arc Haul would def be worth a look though!
Hike On,
Darwin
A 4 pound pack doesn't seem all that heavy to me if it is sturdy and provides more functionality. I prefer a traditional pack and will go lightweight on gear where it makes sense. Then I have more space for food, bear can (required in the Sierra mountains where I hike), camera equipment, etc.
And comfort!
Have to be at least aware the having that extra space IS going to add more weight (as you said, you're gonna bring more stuff) which can lead to a slower pace and adding another day to the hike, meaning another 2 pounds of food, and on and on. Pretty soon the 4 lb pack has added another 10 pounds and now you need more comfort/care items because you're overworked -your knee, back and feet are killing you at the end of the week -or maybe end of the day.
@@brokenpencil57 Imagine having so little self control that you spend an extra 200$ on a worse backpack just to force yourself to pack less stuff. Guess what, you could just pack less anyway.
I was using a ULA Circuit but now I'm rocking a Ray-Way pack I sewed from a kit. It's about 10oz and worked great on my Colorado Trail thru this past summer. I plan on using it on the PCT this coming year too along with another larger one to fit the bear can in the Sierra.
I'm going traditional, mostly because my pack was a Christmas gift :) But I'm also going to appreciate the extra comfort with the thick straps just cause I know myself well enough. Taking my first weekend trip in May and very excited for it
I just bought the ULA ohm and am currently waiting for its arrival in the mail. I actually just bought a ton of lightweight gear to switch from a traditional pack which included the Ula ohm, zpacks duplex tent, and Enlightened Equipment Revelation 10-degree quilt
Nice! Sounds like a SWEET SET-UP!
Hike On,
Darwin
Jason Keating. I think you well love it. I have owned the Ohm for three years now and feel it’s the best of all worlds at a reasonable price. I am using it for my 2018 AT Thru Hike.
I rock the Osprey Exos 48 and love it. It's currently on sale right now on Darwin's link to Amazon and is probably one of the best buys for folks on a budget that are getting into the backpacking world. I have a limited budget due to buying 2 of everything (1 for me and 1 for my wife) so this was a fantastic buy. Lightweight, great frame, and plus the Lifetime Almighty Guarantee - you will never have to buy another pack again. Eventually, I will probably upgrade us to Zpacks or any cuben fiber bag if the price ever comes down. Lots of brand name manufacturers are already coming out with their own cuben fiber backpacks so maybe the price might drop sooner than I thought (Osprey Levity - spring 2018). Thanks for the videos. --JY
my husband LOVES his Exos!
he has the 58. bought it a year or so ago. He is not a thru hiker- he does 2-5 nights typically. he loves it and is super happy with it. we have smallish kids and the space the 58 has allows him to carry extra for them ( they carry their clothes and water only) when we do family trips. he has a hammock , sleeping bag, small stove, etc. he can carry a tent when its all of us ( or I can in my bag)
Backpacking for >22 years and this was an education! Looking to buy my "last" backpack and this really laid out the issues and will help me decide which pack I will buy in today's market. So, thanks. Hike On!
Seek Outside Gila. Just bought it and took it on the Oregon Coast Trail. 28 knot winds, blowing wet sand, stunning rain. Not a drop of water inside. Easy to carry, comfortable with a 21lb load. I love this pack. Highly recommend.
Kelty Redwing 50 can't be beat.
I have the Granite Gear Crown 2 - at $200, the comfort , carrying capacity, weight and durability it is truly the best pack for me.
In looking at this pack, I noticed it does not appear to have the ventilation that the Osprey's and Arc packs do. Do you find it hotter?
Another osprey exists 58 user here. Thanks for all you do I really enjoy your videos
I so appreciate your gear review videos...I mean, I totally love the ones where you and Snuggles hike too, living vocariously a bit till I can visit my son in Tucson and see some of these sights in person, but I have made several purchases based on your input because you have good, sound advice! (Waiting on delivery of my Cnoc water bag now to add to my gear...) thanks Darwin!
Seriously thinking of going back to an external frame. Just for the air flow. And for the coolness!
Robert Brooke I miss mine!
... and the shock value. Imagine the reactions!
Dont discount external frames.
Less than three pounds for a seventy liter? Sign me up, oh wait thats what I use.
Why on Earth do you need 70L?
I used a Kelty Trekker and a Kelty Tioga and love these backpacks...
@@friarrodneyburnap4336 Why are you using those? Hipster?
Very nice stuff. I love my Atmos 65 pack. It is incredibly comfortable and light. It was perfect on my 4 day trip to the Ansel Adams Wilderness
It's def one of the best I've ever owned!
Hike On,
Darwin
Great review. Great info. Quick, clear and succinct. No wasted bs. Thank you!!!
I have the ULA Catalyst. I think it's a great pack! Lighter than a traditional pack at a reasonable price point.
I use the Osprey Atmos 50 AG. It is my favorite pack by far. The anti-gravity system distributes the load so much better so that I'm not sore at the end of the day. Thank you for the awesome video brother.
Was planning on getting a 65 AG for a 200-mile PCT section hike this summer. Think the 50 would be big enough?
Dorsey Kindler Personally yes I think the 50 is big enough for most things, but of course that depends on whether or not you can fit all the gear you need into it.
I have a Karrimor Jaguar VII that I received as a 16th birthday present from my folks. I'm 51 now. It's been all over the world and on many adventures. I don't use it for hikes now as it's too big for modern lightweight hiking but I still use it for my sandstone climbing gear. I love that pack, I hope I still use it in my 80s!
Thanks for the review and bringing me up to date with the newer rucksac types.
Watching your channel has helped me alot. Just a few days ago I bought the Osprey exos 48, and sierra designs ul 35 sleeping bag. My base weight is at 19lbs. Im hoping to get a "Golden Ticket" for the JMT for 2018 going NOBO. I give you props for being able to handle the permit process on all your hikes. Im finding out how strenuous and confusing it can be.
I have the women's granite gear crown 2... weighs 2lbs cause I have a short... but I love it! Guess that makes me... middle of the road!
I really dig their Packs! You made a Great Choice!
Hike On,
Darwin
How does the water proofing hold up?
pbanthonyv it's not completely waterproof...I wasn't in any downpours but I did take a spill fording a creek and my stuff stayed pretty dry... but I had a water bottle leak on the side of the pack and some stuff inside did get wet
I have the Crown2 60L pack as well, in a medium torso. At 2 lb, 4 oz, I find it a great middle of the road option.
Granite Gear VC Crown 60 :)
I just recently got the Atmos 65. Took it out this last weekend for a loop hike in Arkansas and loved it. I've GOT to work on getting my weight down though.
GET TO WORK!
Hike On,
Darwin
You're videos are superb.
Happy 11th Anniversary!
Im doing the Ultra Heavy... 20 year old McHale pack...think i spent around $500 on it... it weighs 10.5 pounds, I kid you not... It is absolutely ridiculous...seriously... back in the day, they had to be sitting around the conference table discussing how they could make the pack heavier... and they incorporated everything... I try to keep my trips under 5 miles... 50' VERT...MAX!!! Min 2 days... This thing has 3 pounds of zippers... there enormous!!! unfortunately it will last forever... just used it in the Grand Canyon... This weekend Im heading over to the local Goodwill Store at about 5AM... and while doing 40MPH Im tossing out the window near the front door... for real!!! not sure which pack Im going with next... but I hope to keep it under double digits... I am crazy tall, so that brings other variables into the equation...thanks for the info Darwin... enjoy your videos...
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