MUSLIM VERSUS PHYSICS STUDENT: UNIVERSITY DEBATE - DOES GOD EXIST?
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- A passionate physics university student walked up to our sign, confidently asserting that God does not exist and that atleast we cannot know.
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This brother is so knowledgable Mashallah
It's so refreshing to see mature adults despite differences, come together & have a meaningful conversation! Well done ROR team ❤
Your calmness and patience is commendable
"Just because a piston moves back and forth and rotates a wheel doesn't mean that it designed by human beings to run a car" 😂😂
Do they not see how insane this is??
Inshallah brother Yusef will return to Islam
@onishomar489 Atheists want to hide behind a self-imposed Ignorance:
Who or 'what' caused the Big-Bang ?
Every LIVING thing that we know (?) so far, was 'initiated' from a drop of murky liquid, with a built-in design/program and functionality ...as it progressed into a human beings, Animals, Birds or a tiny almost invisible insects, [Not forgetting different kinds of food, Fruits/Vegetables, flowers and Trees, Water, Air, Sunlight that give us heat also, etc and their END at a specific time and place............
WHO caused it or WHO was behind their Creation ?
May Allah bless Imam Sahib abundantly for all his efforts and grant him the strength and knowledge to continue to refute and debunk the atheists views with His (Allah’s) guidance.
May Allah almighty enlighten Yusuf’s heart to become curious to search and not give up as easily as he has but to find God to experience God the one true God himself, Ameen
Allah is imaginary and could not guide millions of Muslims to a better life which they got after coming to live with atheists in Europe
@@mumbaiatheist2384 Europeans are not inherently atheist lol. Even with Islam aside, we have the example of the Catholic popes who've lived in Europe.
It's incredible how this series has gone all across the country and continues to bring light to the existence of God with conversations with all types of people.
"If I were to argue with one thousand knowledgeable people,I would surely win the argument. But if I were to argue with one fool,I would lose the argument" - İmam As- Shafi'i
This one was painful to watch.. May Allah Blass you brother and Guide us and this brother to the truth and the right Path..
Keep your work you're doing amazing ❤️❤️..
We can refer him back to this video, in a few years When muons are found to be not useless.
Man, this guy definitely doesn't want to listen!!
Thanks for uploading this!! Not all conversations are pleasant!
Smart people dont listen to religious people. Its a waste of time and life.
@@Theonetruegod-hw2ei the most smart are the religious one
Even now, Muons do give us benefit! They allow us to look at radioactive decay and also through walls, and allow us to map certain things we can't reach!
The most beautiful part of this conversation was that hug in the end. If only we realized that we can patiently listen to each other's views, critique them and yet remain respectful of each other, world would be a much better place.
A good God, if one existed, would be glad to see such a bonhomie and wouldn't hold grudges for anyone who found no good reasons to believe in him.
This was a great conversation. I absolutely loved the way it ended though. Love for humankind despite our differences is always the best. Looks like next episode will have unicorns 🦄 . Can’t wait!
What an intellectual and productive argument. May Allah bless you Imam Sahib. The message is going far and wide and is reaching millions of people.
May you achieve the set objectives for this project.
21:00 when he is arguing osmosis, Yusuf is missing that he is referring to DESIGN of cell membrane, and DESIGN or transporters in cell membrane.
By the way, sad to see his name is Yusuf. This what atheist education system does to people.
It is not about atheist education system, it is about applying brain and using your rationale to evaluate religious claims. He, just like a lot of others, found those claims lacking.
@@PhiloSapience not at all. He has a pure blind materialistic limited view and kept escaping from the designer discussion. He just made baseless claims. If you look around the universe and inside yourself or living things etc, you will see amazing activity that Isa clear proof of a designer. You will either say it is happening by chance, by nature or every atom does it on their own, all three are false, even kids will laugh at. When it comes to 4th explanation, which Is a creator whom we call Allah set, instead of accepting it, atheists just deny it. You think idol worshippers were fools, however, you are attributing Godly features to atoms, which is much worse than being a fool.
If I were you, I would be cautious to learn Islam, because if it is true and you rebel such a Creator, you are in big danger, if you are true that there is no God, then we loose nothing.
Lastly, Prophet Mohammed pbuh, himself, by his life, by his prayers, by his actions as a prophet even by the acceptance of his enemies is the best character ever lived, never lied. This is another big proof for the existence of God.
And Quran, The Book challenges entire humanity 1400 years, claiming to be from Allah and no one has written something like it, is another proof for the existence of God.
If a liar tells you your house is on fire, you may ignore, if 10 liars tell you your house is on fire, you will call 911. Like that, thousands of prophets, every atom in the universe is telling you that God exists and you will go back to him. If you still ignore, your choice.
Thank you for having me on! Always good to have a genuine conversation! (although my guy did some suspicious editing around the end)
Do you believe your respiratory system was an accident?
Ahh , the arrogant blue guy is you?? Whats the matter is before the ending part tho.
Bro, you're a legend. I'm surprised he even posted this.
Hello, I wanted to ask you something or refer to one question you were asking. It seemed like you were saying something like „the infinity doesnt have to be something you assert as a God, why couldnt it be also the universe?“ Then you also said something like „there couldve been another Universe before our Big Bang, we simply dont know what was before that“
The problem is the infinite regress of dependent existences. You need to have an independent NECESSARY existence to start that chain. The universe, big bang or anything else is NOT independent or necessary. Because anything that consists of parts, anything that can be changed, is by definition not necessary. The necessary existence has to be ONE, so even with the idea of multiverses, they are still dependent and contingent existences, since they consist of parts, they can be changed, they are contingent. To argue that the universe is independent and thus the necessary existence if that chain is therefore false and illogical. It wouldve been more logical to argue that the Big Bang is the independent force because we know that the universe was CAUSED by it, it was dependent on the big bang to happen. Even with the big bang, naturalism, evolution and so forth, Atheists often confuse agency with mechanism..
You had some good questions bro. If you you got any questions regarding islam I am happy to answer
the physics major is intentionally making him emotionally charged by first pointing out petty things in his sentences, then posing seemingly logical questions or arguments to further frustrate or confuse him, making it difficult for him to respond coherently.
I see what he did there. And to be clear, he continously twisted his points in various areas of the discussion. He's not honest with himself.
I love that the Imam didn’t allow the atheist's various attempts to frustrate him to get in the way of a respectful convo. 🙌🏾 Instead he stayed focused on the subject matter & ignored the physics guy's rude approaches
The physics major just kept going in circles without the intention of actually understanding. From the design and function argument of the Imam to the argument that everything has a purpose, we just do not have the compression to prove it. Imam kept his composure and provided sufficient rational and arguments but nothing really matters if someone isnt ready deep in their core to accept God and that is the fault of the physics major student (not willing to accept any arugment and or justification)
I Love how he says “that point of ignorance” when he is in fact ignorant. How is it more logical/probable that the universe created itself than the fact that god created it. If we see that everything around us is created by intelligent design and not chaos. This guy is choosing an illogical point of view just because there is chance it could be possible. Rather that believing in what’s more probable. It’s not the eyes that are blind but the heart.
Your logic is ..Allah pops out of nothing by..MAGIC..then Allah gets unimaginable power,wisdom,knowledge by MAGIC..then Allah creates this fine tuned universe by…MAGIC..and finally created Adam and Muslims too by MAGIC..haha..science becomes irrelevant in fron of MAGIC and this way Muslims win all arguments by MAGIC
@@mumbaiatheist2384 The real magic is how the universe accidentally came into existence. How different subatomic systems accidentally interact with each other to accidentally the world that we live in and the people that we speak too. That is the greatest magic. Unless of course, there is an intelligent designer.
@@mumbaiatheist2384No one has brought up magic what are you talking about. You're totally crazy.
@@mumbaiatheist2384That's not what Islam teaches my friend.
God gave us science to find him. The big bang was described in the Quran before you could even start creating its theory. We don't believe in magic, but simply two different metaphysical areas.
One which is dependent on time and space, and one that is not. The first one is our world. We KNOW there was a "before" time and space (assuming you can use this word without time). But we can't comprehend that. Action requires time and space. The big bang was an action that happened independently of time and space.
This independency of time and space exists, scientifically proven. Calling it nothing is blatantly wrong.
So Allah does not pop out of nothing, but is the force behind the reasoning that something beyond time and space can exist.
The fact that a random explosion was that perfectly ordered to create huge galaxies which are stable and tiny microprocesses in between atoms is a proof of design and intelligence of the force.
Otherwise you are telling me that you can just randomly mix some atoms together and you create life out of that, which is not magic.
Feel free to write any code that actually serves as function by just hitting your hands on the keyboard. You are telling me that randomness can code the entire existence of everything. Seems to be magic if you ask me.
I just want to express my immense gratitude to the team for creating such an amazing video and having such insightful discussions! I thoroughly enjoy watching them. I was so engrossed in this video that I stayed in my car until it finished, even though I was already at work. The cliffhanger ending had me hooked! Can't wait for the next one.
This student is a classic example of more education leading to arrogance
I believe that folks viewing this would understand this discussion and make up their minds! Great discussion, keep them coming...
What an amazing video!
I dont like too much how the guy is condescending sometimes lol
Bur Murabbi sb handled himself well
Is he a murrabi?
Thumbnail looked a bit heated 😂😂😂 Interested to hear the full discussion! 🙌🏾
That's why it's better to watch the video first because it will give you context on why it looks heated.
at 7:07 i see what cameraman did there, jazakallah ul khair
This program is getting better overtime and I’m just loving it!!! This time was long too!!!! Please upload more often :)
Very good conversation May Allah open the hearts and eyes of people to see the true face over their creator before it’s too late for them .
Although there was frustration throughout the conversation, it ended with a hug. Even if you agree to disagree, there should be tolerance. Love it
MashAllah, a great discussion and a great series! There was a definite need for a platform where people can have such detailed conversations about God, Alhamdulilah
I think I have a similar background to this physics student as an engineer. And I've asked similar questions myself. However, one idea that helped me connect some dots together was a hadith from the Prophet peace be upon him, ""Allah says: 'I am just as My slave thinks I am'". I wondered how God could encapsulate so many different realities of perception from the people all at the same time. And it dawned on me, that if a Creator God existed that is the source of the universe, He must also be the source of every dimmension of reality we experience as well. Pain, suffering, joy, happiness, anger, forgiveness, intellect, freedom, etc. All of it must originate from the same source. So in a way believing in God is as rational as believing in a number line when you encounter a number. Or more generally believing in a n-dimmensional vector space when you see n-dimmensional complex realities in life. God is that background upon which all of creation rests. He is every kind of infinity for infinity is all that cannot be created, it is uncreatable, the only possible explanation. Singular to avoid contradictions in will and necessity. And totally real, a fundamental truth whether we accept it or not
It's always a joy to watch and learn from these videos!!
I just read an article that there's a muon spin spectroscopy. It is cited that "Muons, radioactive particles produced in accelerators, have emerged as an important tool to study problems in condensed matter physics and chemistry." So i suppose it does has its function? But, idk really, im not a phd student anyway.
Yes they do have a function more than one and we will likely
Learn even more with time. That’s what the speaker was saying too
Brother I advice you to take your glasses off when you have a conversation with people. And once again, great video. I admire you really
Love to see the hug at the end. This one is a hardcore scientist.
Good discussion as always!
I would rather err on the side of caution then to find out later in death that there is a creator and there is Heaven and Hell, and Hell is my final indefinite abode for denying the existence of an ultimate creator.
Yusuf's logic changes every time he gets caught out.
Knowledge is power. love this conversation
2 smart guys have a wonderful conversation 🙂
NAH, Only the Muslim is smart.
i dont think the second guy is smart at all i see is him being dishonest and a bit arrogant
There is no "precise" definition of the so-called singularity that applies to all theories for the understanding of this concept. Its literary the point where our math breaks. Its a bit messy to explain in a yt comment section. But it will benefit us to know that in the realm of mathematics, regardless of axioms we agree upon, will eventually have certain flaws, or "holes", as in we would need to keep adding and adjusting to make sense of what we are trying to explore. Look up "incompleteness theorem". For example in set theory, we figured out we needed to add an axiom to precisely characterise what a set is, what it can and cannot do or have. So to argue "infinity", the theological term, cant axiomatically be met with the mathematical term(s). Islam is has cover all these holes, by explaining that we wouldn't comprehend even if we understood it, but what we need to understand is already there to be explored and pondered upon. Its common knowledge that we cant precisely replicate and model a certain phenomena in nature, either physically or digitally. There is clear limits. Or the math doesn't exist for us to even understand what is going on or why its like that. Why measure and come across Pi in the most random of events. Why universe would look so different if a single number of a certain charge of a certain elemental particle was slightly different. We can create a list of stuff, or axioms, to try and prove God. But we holes and flaws in our current theories, why do we except it would be any different when discussing and mathematically proving existence of God? My point is, we will never be able to contain everything in one theory. And the grand designer knew that. This is why we needed something that is regarded as highly rigorous and highly precise
The ending LOOOL 😂 can’t wait to see the next episode Insha’Allah!
Master class in debate composure and respect. Well done.
Yet another riveting debate! Mabrook to the TROR team!
time right now to be a Atheist is to just reject simple fact. They have reduced to complete ignorance
it is not the eyes that are blind but the heart.
Insanity at its peak.... Just arguing for the matter argue.... Just throwing pointless, needless "... not nessesarity..." phrases to sound soooooo reflected. Sadly this is the situation of this sad icon of a sicentiest.
❤️⚖️🧠=☝🏼
"The polytheistic people question" is like running out of topic regarding the muslim person already said it must be one God. But it can still be answered. The harmony of complexities design can not be based on many Gods work. If there were many Gods, there should be great possibilities that any designs/function ruins each other because each god has each idea of creating. So we will see many chaos/damages in front of us. So, it must be one creator, one idea to make harmony of the universe.
Regarding the last question, Why it is must be God, not unicorn?😁
This question looks silly, but it is actually intriguing. We must define first what "God" means. What it attributes, what capabilities should it had.
From the author of conversations, we know that God must be:
1. Out of all matter/ universe(s)
2. Must be different of all matter/ universe (s)
3. Must be intelligent (have a willing)
4. Must create all of matter outside of it
So, if unicorn perceived by the person asking as an "animal like horse which has one horn", it doesn't meet with criteria no. 2. But if the person meaning is meet all of the criteria, than it is actually God. We can say God by many names, but of course don't say the name of God with the same name as a fairy tale/bad name. If you consider that 4 criteria exist, of course you will name it by ultimate good name as you can.
So, let me get this straight, his core aegunent was that i dont know so i wont even try to explore. Furthermore, it is such a ironic thing that his nane is Yusuf, which is such a religiously significant name.
Ma'sha'Allah brother ❤ salam from Bangladesh 🇧🇩
Great Content. Review of Religions team doing great job.
In biology, osmosis is the movement of water molecules from a solution with a high concentration of water molecules to a solution with a lower concentration of water molecules, through a cell’s partially permeable membrane.
MashaALLAH MashaALLAH brother. The amount the patience you have in arguing with these people is commendable. May ALLAH bless you for your efforts.
As always your arguments were absolutely valid and on point:May God open the eyes and hearts of all atheists and non-believers ;
Brother u r doing a great job
Atheism is the main fitna and challenge of this era..
If possible, plz make a debate with Harris Sultan, a Pakistani atheist
The brother is more knowledgeable than most of our debaters
They only can say is
"just because it does something has a certain property, acts in a certain way, does not mean that it was designed "
they only repeat this and came to this point please think beyond this, that's why ALLAH SWT says "He is the Knower of the unseen, and He does not disclose His [knowledge of the] unseen to anyone except whom He has approved of messengers, and indeed, He sends before each messenger and behind him observers." (Quran 72:26-27)
You can design something but who designed this universe with infinite number of complexities... at end these people say we are useless..
Human limitations
How well spoken and well mannered this guy is
May Allah bless the imam for his patience and kindness throughout
Sometimes people are too proud to admit that they are wrong in such situations, but there are those who think about it afterwards. Yusuf, if you are reading this, ask God to give you signs and lead you to the truth. You have nothing to lose and you will see if God really exists or not.
❤❤❤Infinity is a concept, it has no end and no beginning. Every created things has a creator but God is uncreated. God has always been there and He will always be there. Peace ✌️
Also, the person says that osmosis is the cause of our hands pruning, but this is not osmosis, it is evolutionary action which causes our hands to have more grip in water.
I'm a Christian watching this. Thought the Muslim man was making great points. Until, he agreed that there were people before Adam.? Is there another Adam I don't know of? Or are we all thinking of the first human created by God?
Adam in Islam doesn’t refer to just the “first man.” It refers to the first Prophet of God as well. At the beginning / dawn of each epoch in human evolution, the person who was gifted with revelation pertaining to the teachings relevant to the cognitive abilities of that point in time in man’s evolution is referred to as Adam as well.
So the atheist man's argumenr is "Just because something has a DESIGN and FUNCTION, doesn't necessarily mean it has a designer." 😂
Dude That's the exact atheistic blindness our brother has been talking about throughout the video.
Well take a raindrop. Rain is a product of natural process. Even though it looks designed and has it's functions, there is no designer behind it just natural process.
Maybe the natural process has a designer then? Give me one example of a process that is left to itself without intelligent intervention, that doesn’t end up in chaos.
4:04 the 26 fundamentals forces come together in the first 28 seconds of the bang?
How can i follow up on this? Is there a special name?
Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
Al-Baqata (2:7)
and when you realize that what you denied was the truth, but unfortunately your time has run out, then there is only regret in the end
Atheist: "where God came from? therefore there is no God,"
Never heard such a nonsense statement in the face of all design and Order around him
His argument is that we dont know, there is other possibilities, but we forgot that we can theories these possibilities, like multiverses, other previous universe, and we will fall on the same spot of where did it come from, that doesnt answer anything, our existing is impossible without a God since matter cannot be created, but here we are
Masha Allah May Allah s.w.t. increase you in Knowledge
We can all agree and disagree but its great to have the conversation rolling
im glad that it ended on a good note
Same! Alhamdulillah, I love the positive message that The Existence Project is spreading throughout the world
Men I hope he actually findes this channel, and refects on these arguments. I'ld to go deeper.
atheist guy is all over
Lets be on the atheist side for now:
How did the universe came into existence? Or how did it always have existed?
Most common answers:
We dont know.
We will know.
We will never know.
How could you know?
Thank you very much.
What is the next most logical answer to this question?
Some atheist anwers:
Big bang bada bang from a single mass which we dont know how it happened. Some energy explosion.
It came from another universe like a lava lamp etc. So where did that universe came from? And so on.
All of the above are not complete hypoyhesis answers. They make u keep question how at its origin.
Universe can be infinite but how is it infinite?
Best answer is:
God in a different realm where no time laws exists of which we dont know if he is infinite or if we can even attribute that to him as he has made our knowledge finite and limited. And he is the one who has created everything. There are no further question marks as we can not comprehend go as he has limited us in comprehending him.
If god doesnt exist all of us will perish into atoms.
If he does exists then the most next logical reasoning with our survival instinct is to pick a religion that has a complete preserved word of god eg quran scripture with prophecies that came true is the most next best choice as nobody has ever disproven quran.
It explains the purpose of life and how we should behave best compared to all other religions. If god exists then god would be please d with us. As we figured out god exist and did our best to recognize him.
I want of see the convo for trailer at the end
This brother is correct in saying Hinduism is monotheistic. The penultimate philosophy is Advaita Vedanta, the school of non duality aka oneness. God is one, we are one with god in our true nature. This world and all its appearances and experiences are illusory. The eternal source of being and creation is the only true reality.
The young major in physics doesnt realize that he is in the first part (enthusiasm) of Dunning-Kruger effect...At the end of the day, many like him, hopefully, became wise knowing they knew little and were too sure of themselves, life is a great teacher.
amazing arguments keep it up
That Physics Student slowly slowly internally become emotional. he was going around circle ⭕.
indeed it's the hearts that are blind. if he tries his best to dodge every bit of argument in the right direction then his moment of acception lies at the end of infinity 😂
I do think this conversation our brother was less sharp many better points could be given considering the context.. but allahuma barik still enjoyed watching
Can you explain why blurring some people? It seems completely random. I don't understand why
Islam doesn't believe in 'physical' version of God. Islam says that the thing that started all of this is extremely powerful and extremely intelligent, because intelligence can't come from non- intelligence. We have one moment on this earth. Take a moment to try to get to know why we are here.
18:55 this guy is so ignorant my brain hurts so because he is so "smart" he can make a product BUT THE EARTH AND UNIVERSE SOMETHING WHICH WAS OFF BY 0.00000000000 INFINITE ENDING W 1 OFF THIS WHOLE WORLD AND UNIVERSE WOULD NOT EVEN EXIST
he should change majors because clearly he doesn't study science right
Dr. Abdus Salam (Ahmadi Muslim and recipient of a Nobel Prize in Physics) once wrote, “The Holy Quran enjoins us to reflect on the verities of Allah’s created laws of nature” and he expressed gratitude that, through science, he had been “privileged to glimpse [into] a part of [God’s] design.”
Even Einstein - another great scientist - considered himself to be deeply religious. And, in Dr. Abdus Salam’s first meeting with Einstein, their entire discussion was about religion. The study of the sciences should guide us toward God! 🙌🏾
Bruv, they said they don't know if things were created or the things created itself but when our brother tried to explain that there's no thing that exists created itself, he refused to acknowledge it and kept saying he didn't know.
"Physics" dude is half baked
Amazing, amazing arguments IN FAVOR of the existence of GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely love this series
So awesome, and underrated. The intricacies of the universe itself should be enough for a science studying student to realize that everything is just WAY too perfect to be a coincidence.
2:18 sounds like a tongue twister 😂
Still that doesn’t prove Allah is the designer…these are silly claims
At least atheist person Will have another undeniable statement and perspectives from believer, hopefuly they Will re-consider and re-struckturing their point' of view to be a better understanding
Mr. Yusuf should answer how come the Sun is conververting 1 million tons of mass to energy every second, or better yet every existence with it's precise harmony, or why we are able to harness this energy to make great things, i guess the world is superstitious.I pray Allah SWT always enables me to be thankful for all of his favors. Ameen
Go read Nuclear Fusion 😂😂😂
Bro in blue shirt thought he is smart but his argument proof otherwise
Good discussion, this is a very difficult subject and better suited for experts not random average person, but this student did an excellent job even though he is not a professional debater, there is 100 percent design by nature and no intelligent designer, this was explained at nauseoum by Daniel Dennett hundreds in hundreds of lectures, but Muslims only listen to lectures about what happened in the years 560-800ad
muslims gave humanity Algebra (الجبر), Alchemy (كيمياء)
atheists are giving their full support to AlGeeBT
Daniel Dennett contributed nothing for humanity btw
Sorry but there isn’t a single argument in favour of what you just said.
The only one that can guide this gentleman is Allah SWT himself!! 😂😂😂 ….
& Our Creator SWT guides all
Masha'Allah ❤
ما شاء الله سبحان الله
جزاك الله Murabbi Sahib
Such an amazing video. Mashallah
Good video bro, such high intelligence 🏴👍
Imam sahib did his job very well patiently. Now my prayer is for Yousef, may ALLAH HIMSELF guide him to ALLAH, Ameen
The atheist guy was fanatic to his assumptions. He could not give any proof to disprove that any footprint of design requires designer. He failed to give any examples of something coming by Nothing. I think he just wants to stick to the ignorance and not accepting the knowledge that already been delivered to him and exists
He is ignorant of the functions or potential functions of osmosis because he is a physicist and not a physician.
Any basic physician worth their salt would demonstrate the necessity of osmosis as a function to maintain hemodynamic stability and blood rheology. I mean theres just so many specific functions osmosis does that it’s laughable. Renal physiology and tubular countercurrence all DEPEND on osmosis. So much so that when we DESIGN dialysate for renal replacement therapy (dialysis) we model the tool using osmosis as one of the methods to extract toxins, microglobulins, etc during dialysis
the atheist guy lost the most at the point of osmosis.
Atheist didn’t lose anything..basically you didn’t understand anything ..life and first cell was created by MAGIC by Allah seems to be the evidence of Muslims…everything was created by Allah by the laws of MAGIC..science becomes irrelevant in front of magic,where evidence,logic,rational is not required..only blind faith is required