Doesn’t matter if the centre of the sole is dished out a bit, as long as both of the edges are touching the square while it’s referencing on the side. I’m sure you’ve seen a Japanese chisel with its ground hollows on the back. Has no impact on the cutting action. While it reflects a slight imperfection in the machining, it’s completely superficial. He says specifically that he’s testing the squareness of the sole to the side (for shooting likely), not flatness of the sole.
Kudos to Busy Bee Tools for entering into the mid-range hand tool market! And kudos for partnering up with quality Canadian content creators like Vic and Steve to spread more awareness of their brand and their offerings. I can't speak to the quality of these tools but when someone like Steve Maxwell (who has his own reputation on the line) agrees to do a video like this, I'm inclined to think that they are worth trying. Unfortunately, to anyone who doesn't know who Steve is, he is presented as either a salesman of Busy Bee Tools or a shill reviewer who isn't been upfront about the fact that he is being paid for the endorsement. Why don't they put his name on the screen at the beginning? Why don't they introduce who he is for those that may not be familiar with him? Why don't they mention that these are only sold in Canada? The answer may be that, as usual, the folks at Busy Bee Tools are completely disconnected. It may also have something to do with the fact that this exact same video (minus the logo at the beginning and end) is available on Steve's channel along with all of his other videos. A really interesting point is that the comments on his channel are completely different. Go check them out. His subscribers welcomed his review and opinions while the internet trolls and armchair experts weighed in heavily and quickly on this channel. Full of criticism and skepticism (not all of it unwarranted since Busy Bee has a bit of a reputation) they were quick to point out flaws in everything rather than welcome what is clearly an effort to produce and sell better products while supporting local talent and attempting to engage with their customers. Let's face it, Busy Bee isn't perfect and I'll bet these planes aren't either but, as a Canadian who appreciates Canadian companies who feed my woodworking habit/hobby, I sure appreciate the effort they've made here. I'll probably get a #4 just to try it.
I'm not very happy with mine. I've never used a plane before and this was my first plane I've owned. The adjustment lever is very sloppy...it basically pitches back and forth if you rock the plane side-to-side. I went in to my local BB to see they were all like like ( I had nothing to compare it to), and the ones in the store were much tighter. I asked the guy working there about it and was told "They are what they are" and there was nothing that could be done about it. Not terribly pleased with it so far, but maybe someone more experienced than me could make it work the way it should.
@@luthiferbuilds If you look closely at the video you will see that the yoke is laminated, not made of a solid piece of metal. This means you should expect lots of slack in the depth and lateral adjustments. This is a huge issue.
@@omarkhan9966 By laminated I mean it is not made of a solid piece. Just look at the video image carefully. The yoke consists of two sheets of metal placed side by side. Very cheap. This is the most important component in the adjustment mechanism and to work reliably it "must" be made of a solid piece of steel. If you can't afford the real thing save more until you can. Nobody should sponsor crappy products presented in a deceitful manner, as is the case here.
All mid-range hand planes look very similar. A quick browsing of the pics show important differences (body casting is clearly different, chip breaker and handle material, fasteners are different). That said, there are very few true ''makers' of hand planes (in the manufacturing and production sense), certainly not many in the NA or Western Europe (Lee Valley is a notable exception). I wouldn't be surprised if the OEM for Taylor Tools and Busy Bee (likely based in Shenzen or Guangdong China) is the same. In this industry, there's only a few Chinese OEMs that makes tools for everyone, branded and made to their specs.
@@johnfaustus1 John, it looks like tthose planes are manufactured in India. Most other brands like Woodriver are from China like you said. Also the planes sold at Lee Valley stores are in fact Veritas tools. Just saying to avoid confusion 😉 As far as I know LN & Veritas hand planes are the only one 100% N.A. I believe the Stanley hand planes at some extent are now manufactured over seas.
Wish they would included a Block plane in the initial offerings. Excited to see an option to over priced Veritas products none the less, as long as the quality is there. Now to get to a store and check these out!
Do you realize that Veritas planes and what-not are made here in Canada by Canadians to the highest standards? Same idea you can apply to the Lie-Nielsen tools. Talking about true patriotism…
@@valentinchiriac4170 yes I do realize they are made in Canada, I own a low angle Jack and low angle block plane, both are seconds. They look flawless, their standards are incredibly high. So was the price. I was hoping to find a high quality Block plane at a more reasonable price but it doesn't seem to exist in my area so pulled the trigger on Veritas.... next year I might be able to afford some lumber to use it on 😉 BTW there is a Vertas factory tour on UA-cam if that kind of thing interests you.
I'm confused. What do mean when you say they hid their advertising? The channel is named after the company that sells them. Their logo is clearly displayed at the beginning and end of the video... and it's featured right on the planes themselves. Steve even mentions the company name in the video. Perhaps what is not obvious here is that Steve has his own channel and often does reviews and instructional videos of his own. He is not a 'salesman' who is employed by Busy Bee Tools but a recognized Canadian UA-cam content creator who is endorsing and presenting the product while, no doubt, being paid to do so. Or, perhaps, you're not Canadian and are not familiar with the man or the brand?
@@lightspeedguru The video "pretends" to be an objective review, but it is not, it is an advertisement pretending to be a review. This is a type of fraud in that it attempts to deceive the viewer with a dishonest description of the product. Compare this to the Veritas videos, which are true advertisements and there is no attempt to hide that fact as if the video were an impartial "review."
@@raphaelklaussen1951 Yep. I can see that. I mentioned it in my own comment on this video. They just took Steve's video and slapped their logo on it. So typical of this company to be so disconnected on something like that. I guess I just want Busy Bee to be so much more than they are... when I saw this video and the efforts that they did make, my reaction was to encourage them rather than criticize them. To each his own.
Don't trust a guy who says he used planes hundreds of times all through his life and doesn't even know how to hold one correctly. Check out the back hand at 1:04. You aren't gripping an axe. His list or "parameters all good planes should have" starts out with #1 being a myth - you DON'T need a thick blade! He also says "the thicker a plane iron the better a plane iron", which is misleading and totally false. His "Chatter" info is crap! Who says "I have only honed edges for years", a guy who doesn't use tools. You have to sharpen, honing is what you do after sharpening or between sharpening (like once between) I could go on.... But on the bright side, this guy can read really well and has good diction. He has all the buzz words and catchphrases a salesman needs in the video. Go buy a used Stanley pre-'60s at a garage sale or thrift/antique store and do all the stuff he shows in the video on "tuning a plane" and you will have a super great plane, to rival the very expensive new planes he can't match and you are only out about $20-$30 and about an hours time.
To call these ‘premium’ is a stretch. While they seem to be in the same family as maybe Benchdog, there below Taytools, WoodRiver, and certainly the premium makers. Above the Stanley Sweetheart machining, but certainly have a way to go. Probably more in the Grizzly niche, but overpriced for where they are right now. Their No°7 was about $85-100 overpriced in my estimation.
They planes are the exact as the cheaper rider planes axminster tools sell they are all mass produced in the far East, i had to send the ones i bought back to axminster tools twice, because they just don't preform, i ended up selling the plane on ebay, bought refurbished uk made record planes that work much better and has better build quality, don't waste your money on them planes
And now I sell Chinese crap after learning on some USA made handed down thru family. Why can't we do shit here in our country. Sure I like saving money but we can and need to reinvest in USA not communist slave labor... mite be to late already....
What you are describing is a side effect of the legislation for corporations. They have a legal requirement to maximize profits for stakeholders above all else, or risk lawsuits from said stakeholders. This is why corporations universally partake in union busting, strike breaking, skimp on staff health and safety, environmental obligations and outsourcing as much manufacturing overseas. This has in turn depressed wages. Most Americans and Canadians couldn’t afford to pay for products manufactured by their fellow countrymen without a 30% increase in all wages. Most smaller companies that haven’t become corporations don’t have this legal requirement to maximize profits. But unless they are serving a very niche market that Amazon isn’t, they cannot compete with the big box stores.
Looks just like a Bench Dog plane... and by that, I mean 'exactly' like... check out Rob Cosman's review one month earlier. ua-cam.com/video/oarPIBbllj4/v-deo.html
Thanks for posting that video. I missed it somehow and I'm surprised that Rob review a plane other then Woodriver. Beside the frog it look very similar. However we have to keep in mind that a hand plane is a hand plane. Not all company like Bridge city do one of a kind tool. 😉
I paused at 11:16 and saw daylight between the square and the sole of the plane.
Saw that too, he tilted the plane very quickly 😂
Doesn’t matter if the centre of the sole is dished out a bit, as long as both of the edges are touching the square while it’s referencing on the side. I’m sure you’ve seen a Japanese chisel with its ground hollows on the back. Has no impact on the cutting action. While it reflects a slight imperfection in the machining, it’s completely superficial.
He says specifically that he’s testing the squareness of the sole to the side (for shooting likely), not flatness of the sole.
Kudos to Busy Bee Tools for entering into the mid-range hand tool market! And kudos for partnering up with quality Canadian content creators like Vic and Steve to spread more awareness of their brand and their offerings. I can't speak to the quality of these tools but when someone like Steve Maxwell (who has his own reputation on the line) agrees to do a video like this, I'm inclined to think that they are worth trying. Unfortunately, to anyone who doesn't know who Steve is, he is presented as either a salesman of Busy Bee Tools or a shill reviewer who isn't been upfront about the fact that he is being paid for the endorsement. Why don't they put his name on the screen at the beginning? Why don't they introduce who he is for those that may not be familiar with him? Why don't they mention that these are only sold in Canada? The answer may be that, as usual, the folks at Busy Bee Tools are completely disconnected. It may also have something to do with the fact that this exact same video (minus the logo at the beginning and end) is available on Steve's channel along with all of his other videos. A really interesting point is that the comments on his channel are completely different. Go check them out. His subscribers welcomed his review and opinions while the internet trolls and armchair experts weighed in heavily and quickly on this channel. Full of criticism and skepticism (not all of it unwarranted since Busy Bee has a bit of a reputation) they were quick to point out flaws in everything rather than welcome what is clearly an effort to produce and sell better products while supporting local talent and attempting to engage with their customers. Let's face it, Busy Bee isn't perfect and I'll bet these planes aren't either but, as a Canadian who appreciates Canadian companies who feed my woodworking habit/hobby, I sure appreciate the effort they've made here. I'll probably get a #4 just to try it.
Are these the same planes by the Chinese company Quangsheng Luban that every tool dealer sells under their own name?
Does someone out there have one... please tell us about it,
I'm not very happy with mine. I've never used a plane before and this was my first plane I've owned. The adjustment lever is very sloppy...it basically pitches back and forth if you rock the plane side-to-side. I went in to my local BB to see they were all like like ( I had nothing to compare it to), and the ones in the store were much tighter. I asked the guy working there about it and was told "They are what they are" and there was nothing that could be done about it. Not terribly pleased with it so far, but maybe someone more experienced than me could make it work the way it should.
Where are the planes manufactured?
Probally india
AWESOME! cant wait to try one out
They are junk, save your money and buy a decent one. If you want to know why I say they are junk, just ask.
@@raphaelklaussen1951 why r they junk?
@@luthiferbuilds If you look closely at the video you will see that the yoke is laminated, not made of a solid piece of metal. This means you should expect lots of slack in the depth and lateral adjustments. This is a huge issue.
@@raphaelklaussen1951 I don't think the yoke is laminated.
@@omarkhan9966 By laminated I mean it is not made of a solid piece. Just look at the video image carefully. The yoke consists of two sheets of metal placed side by side. Very cheap. This is the most important component in the adjustment mechanism and to work reliably it "must" be made of a solid piece of steel. If you can't afford the real thing save more until you can. Nobody should sponsor crappy products presented in a deceitful manner, as is the case here.
Theses are almost IDENICAL to the TayTools hand planes.
All mid-range hand planes look very similar.
A quick browsing of the pics show important differences (body casting is clearly different, chip breaker and handle material, fasteners are different).
That said, there are very few true ''makers' of hand planes (in the manufacturing and production sense), certainly not many in the NA or Western Europe (Lee Valley is a notable exception). I wouldn't be surprised if the OEM for Taylor Tools and Busy Bee (likely based in Shenzen or Guangdong China) is the same. In this industry, there's only a few Chinese OEMs that makes tools for everyone, branded and made to their specs.
@@johnfaustus1 John, it looks like tthose planes are manufactured in India. Most other brands like Woodriver are from China like you said. Also the planes sold at Lee Valley stores are in fact Veritas tools. Just saying to avoid confusion 😉
As far as I know LN & Veritas hand planes are the only one 100% N.A. I believe the Stanley hand planes at some extent are now manufactured over seas.
Any thought on when you Will come to Brazil?
@whats a toaster its impossible to buy Luban here
Thank you for this video. I believe someone hijacked the closed caption (CC) portion of this youtube video; turn it on and see what I mean. Jay Felty
Wish they would included a Block plane in the initial offerings. Excited to see an option to over priced Veritas products none the less, as long as the quality is there. Now to get to a store and check these out!
Do you realize that Veritas planes and what-not are made here in Canada by Canadians to the highest standards? Same idea you can apply to the Lie-Nielsen tools.
Talking about true patriotism…
@@valentinchiriac4170 yes I do realize they are made in Canada, I own a low angle Jack and low angle block plane, both are seconds. They look flawless, their standards are incredibly high. So was the price. I was hoping to find a high quality Block plane at a more reasonable price but it doesn't seem to exist in my area so pulled the trigger on Veritas.... next year I might be able to afford some lumber to use it on 😉
BTW there is a Vertas factory tour on UA-cam if that kind of thing interests you.
Why did you disguise your advertising as if it were a review?
I'm confused. What do mean when you say they hid their advertising? The channel is named after the company that sells them. Their logo is clearly displayed at the beginning and end of the video... and it's featured right on the planes themselves. Steve even mentions the company name in the video. Perhaps what is not obvious here is that Steve has his own channel and often does reviews and instructional videos of his own. He is not a 'salesman' who is employed by Busy Bee Tools but a recognized Canadian UA-cam content creator who is endorsing and presenting the product while, no doubt, being paid to do so. Or, perhaps, you're not Canadian and are not familiar with the man or the brand?
@@lightspeedguru The video "pretends" to be an objective review, but it is not, it is an advertisement pretending to be a review. This is a type of fraud in that it attempts to deceive the viewer with a dishonest description of the product.
Compare this to the Veritas videos, which are true advertisements and there is no attempt to hide that fact as if the video were an impartial "review."
@@raphaelklaussen1951 Yep. I can see that. I mentioned it in my own comment on this video. They just took Steve's video and slapped their logo on it. So typical of this company to be so disconnected on something like that. I guess I just want Busy Bee to be so much more than they are... when I saw this video and the efforts that they did make, my reaction was to encourage them rather than criticize them. To each his own.
Identical to bench dog planes sold by Rockler.
Don't trust a guy who says he used planes hundreds of times all through his life and doesn't even know how to hold one correctly. Check out the back hand at 1:04. You aren't gripping an axe.
His list or "parameters all good planes should have" starts out with #1 being a myth - you DON'T need a thick blade! He also says "the thicker a plane iron the better a plane iron", which is misleading and totally false.
His "Chatter" info is crap!
Who says "I have only honed edges for years", a guy who doesn't use tools. You have to sharpen, honing is what you do after sharpening or between sharpening (like once between)
I could go on....
But on the bright side, this guy can read really well and has good diction. He has all the buzz words and catchphrases a salesman needs in the video.
Go buy a used Stanley pre-'60s at a garage sale or thrift/antique store and do all the stuff he shows in the video on "tuning a plane" and you will have a super great plane, to rival the very expensive new planes he can't match and you are only out about $20-$30 and about an hours time.
Sooooooooo right!!!!!
To call these ‘premium’ is a stretch. While they seem to be in the same family as maybe Benchdog, there below Taytools, WoodRiver, and certainly the premium makers. Above the Stanley Sweetheart machining, but certainly have a way to go. Probably more in the Grizzly niche, but overpriced for where they are right now. Their No°7 was about $85-100 overpriced in my estimation.
They planes are the exact as the cheaper rider planes axminster tools sell they are all mass produced in the far East, i had to send the ones i bought back to axminster tools twice, because they just don't preform, i ended up selling the plane on ebay, bought refurbished uk made record planes that work much better and has better build quality, don't waste your money on them planes
And now I sell Chinese crap after learning on some USA made handed down thru family. Why can't we do shit here in our country. Sure I like saving money but we can and need to reinvest in USA not communist slave labor... mite be to late already....
What you are describing is a side effect of the legislation for corporations. They have a legal requirement to maximize profits for stakeholders above all else, or risk lawsuits from said stakeholders.
This is why corporations universally partake in union busting, strike breaking, skimp on staff health and safety, environmental obligations and outsourcing as much manufacturing overseas.
This has in turn depressed wages. Most Americans and Canadians couldn’t afford to pay for products manufactured by their fellow countrymen without a 30% increase in all wages.
Most smaller companies that haven’t become corporations don’t have this legal requirement to maximize profits. But unless they are serving a very niche market that Amazon isn’t, they cannot compete with the big box stores.
Looks just like a Bench Dog plane... and by that, I mean 'exactly' like... check out Rob Cosman's review one month earlier. ua-cam.com/video/oarPIBbllj4/v-deo.html
Thanks for posting that video. I missed it somehow and I'm surprised that Rob review a plane other then Woodriver. Beside the frog it look very similar. However we have to keep in mind that a hand plane is a hand plane. Not all company like Bridge city do one of a kind tool. 😉
i'll keep my veritas and old stanleys. never been too impressed by anything busy bee sells and their customer service sucks