I’m hearing this: a baritone starts comfortable lower. And has to work harder once pitch goes up. A Tenor has to work harder when it goes down. And increases in comfort when the pitch is higher. You can clearly see the difference in comfort. 👌🏻
Baritones have strong, robust tones. Tenors have an easier time with the transition from chest voice to head voice, making it possible to hit notes in their upper register; baritones can do so as well , but it takes some work to do. I would classify myself a baritones and I think those are two of the main differences.
By practicing you can gain at least an Octave. I used to be able to sing a high and a low note but struggled with maintaining all the notes in between. So I learned to perfection my voice and transitions. On a bad day I have about 3.5 Octaves of range, on a good day I have 4 Octaves. My most standard range is D2 to D5#.
There is no such thing as a baritone or tenor or bass. The transitions between these "voice types" are smooth. It's equally stupid to say that there are 3 different kinds of human body sizes in the world: small, medium and large. Every single person is different
Not if ya wanna sing high, it ain't a gift! As a Bari, you'll have to pretty much always resort to Falsetto, in order to get the notes what ya hear Dan hit, with ease, in full-voice, as a Tenor. However, having said that, I've got a mate who's a Bari- (a Lyric Bari, to be precised), and he reckons he can belt, full-on, at F5. I think he might be telling fibs though, 'cos between you and me, mate: I've never actually heard him do it! o.o
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Baritone here : this was high baritone range into tenor range, that's what it will look like, yes. I've been singing for the previous 2 hours before watching this video, so I would say that I'm warmed up ; I was straining at the exact same notes as Mark.
I am two lessons in, and was told yesterday I am a tenor, and I got offended at first. After trying falsetto for the first time and actually hearing myself, and now finding this video, I am prepared to embrace my unique characteristics while singing, and learning to perfect them. Thanks for the vote of confidence and for the freedom to explore my own voice.
Don´t be offended at that! My instructor is a bad ass coloratura soprano and a world class opera singer. She says that I am a true tenor and that her male students would kill for my range. Best voice compliment I ever got. I am not nearly as clean as Dan on the high C but it is fun to be able to sing killer female songs as well as the classic male standards. The shit we learn later in life, yeah?
Haha. I'd do anything to be a Tenor. For me and all other male singers who sing lower, we believe you won the lottery of being born able to sing high notes despite being a man. I envy youuuuu. 😭😭😭😭
This really gave me a clear understanding of why Michael Jackson’s voice sounds the way it does because he also has a high tenor which sounds explains why people said he sounded more like a female also the lowest note he could sing was a g2 which is really impressive considering his tone.
Michael Jackson was actually a baritone, not tenor. His father taught them to speak that way to be pleasant to White American, due to all the racism back then and worries about acceptance.
As a baritone who's been struggling to find a 'Mixed' voice, I can't help but envy the natural tenor range - tenors just seem to have a natural consistency of timbre between their chest and head voices, whereas a baritone or bass usually sounds markedly different beyond chest register, and can't really get away with it without mastering the mix! However, on the tonal side of things I am grateful to have the rich baritone timbre, it lends itself to a powerful quality on the E4-A4 notes, which I like (although cannot yet achieve myself), and I feel now that if I can find the mixed voice to extend the range of my chest voice timbre, then I'd rather be a baritone. Anyway, all voice types should be celebrated and embraced for what they can uniquely do! Enjoyed the video and glad to see cooperation between two of the best voice teachers on youtube!
I am in the same boat. Although my speaking voice is actually not that low, I've always had tough time singing high notes. I've been at it for years and slowly able to sing in the middle ranges and getting to that full voice from bottom to the top. BUT, I know how frustrating and annoying it can be man. OMG i get so mad sometimes haha How's your journey going? It's been a year since you've wrote this right? I would love to hear your progress.
James, I feel your pain. When I was a child, even though I had a child's voice, I struggled to get 'up there' while singing and never understood why. I'm baritone and have a rich voice but it gets thin on the higher notes. I have embraced it and revel in the fact that I can throw a loud voice to the back of a large room comfortably. I have learned to soften my tone when I need to and enjoy singing pop songs - but not in the same key as the original singer!
@Vladislav Stezhko I’ve actually been able to get to an E#2 consistently now. Idk whether I’m a baritone with a high mixed/upper/whistle register. Or a counter-tenor with a lower register.
This video was super helpful for me. As a shower singer, I'd never known why I'm better at singing some songs rather than others. This video helped me place myself more in the baritone area and mimicking Mark helped sure this up. I found myself wobbling back and forth between my natural voice and falsetto when working the Ya progression. Probably the third to last scale was the most rapid quavering.
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I like that you broke down these two important male voice types. It's so obvious that the main difference is not only the high and low but the brightness of the tenor and the fullness of the baritone. Definitely the bright tenor makes little or no effort when singing in the high range, and baritone does, but it sounds warm and passionate in the middle.
Since higher notes (for baritones) are generally used in the emotional climax of a song, I have come to associate the baritones' timbre at those notes with that emotional context. I always assumed that a tenor could sing those high notes "better" but it doesn't sound like it would fit the emotion I associate with the climax of a song. Thanks for setting me free from that misconception.
My father's timber was between a tenor and a Baritone but could hit the rare base note. But sadly he had a heart attack in 2005 and had a tube shock down his throat which affected his singing voice he just had a stroke this year which makes me wonder how much it may have affected him. I remember my father used to sing to me for comfort after nightmares and night tares. That I used to get them as a kid and they were really bad.
@@muslimmetalman G2? Lol, usually a tenor's range starts at C3 (not saying tenors can't reach G2, but that's quite out of their usual range). Hell, that's even one note under the baritone range (A2-A2), even though virtually any baritone can easily hit it.
There are rare men who cannot sound an A#2, I would say tenor is (F2 - A#2), baritone (Db2 - E2), and bass (A1 - C2). However, Dan is an exception, although he can sound the G2, he is clearly an alto
The real issue is that popular music is general performed at a higher register. And because of this, the general public hears and wants to be able to emulate these sounds. This is sometimes in DIRECT contrast to the wishes of singers. Alot of high pitch singers wish they would be able to sing the much lower tones they cannot sing. I am a bass-baritone. I would absolutely love to be able to sing the higher notes and not have to move into a mix voice. I just wish there were more songs performed in the natural baritone range. Who knows, maybe the music industry will wake up one day and wish for that full rich sound.
As a young man I was Tenor to Alto, NOW more Baritone to Tenor, however I still try to sing alto...and poorly at that. You have helped me discern for what is the best transition for me. (BTW I used to sing with an OPERA Chorus (150+ voices) in Atlanta, and a smaller men's group (50 voices) and a quartet (not Barbershop) in my younger days and well at that...things have changed a LOT!
Wow, this video was incredibly helpful. I had the misconception that tenors and baritones can't hit the same notes, but there is definitely some overlap, and the difference in weight is also very clear to me. This video helped me understand my voice better. I think I'm more similar to Mr. Baxter, and because he sounds so great, it made me feel good about having a heavier voice. Dr. Dan, your voice is so smooth and soothing, though, and I envy it! :) It floats in the stratosphere so effortlessly with a brightness that mesmerizes!
Your voice type is determined mostly by the tonal characteristics, colour, timbre, and tessitura of your voice. Not so much by the notes you can hit. I'm a low baritone whose natural range is E2-E4. But there are some tenors out there like Paul McCartney who can hit lower notes or could hit lower notes than me.
@@ivblizzard3616 Some can. In fact there are tenors like Paul McCartney who can or could hit an A1. Even as a low baritone, myself, I'm not sure I can hit an A1. If I can hit an A1, it would most likely be vocal fry. But then I have a pretty weak vocal range, spanning only 2 octaves.
I've been told my voice is too deep for a girl. Also, I had a male friend, who, before puberty, sounded like a soprano, but after summer vacation, he came back as a bass.
DJQ 15 no kidding Im a girl and i can easily sing tenor and alto but ofc my choir directors put me in soprano... which while i can reach, take a heck of a lot more effort to get to like
I can totally relate to everything he said about Tenor voices... when I sang my judge even told me that when he closed his eyes he pictured a strong female vocalist
I think its possible for a voice to not be tenor or baritone yet have qualities of both like a baritenor. high and expansive yet full and rich in color. Also I agree that your range and vocal type is genetic
Gabriel Gutierrez I do agree with you.. actually, my passagio occurs at G4... when I want I may sing as a baritone or as a tenor in terms of voige color.. however, how I got used to sing higher, I often sing as being a tenor..
Thanks Dan and Mark for this interesting (and fun) lesson! Here's what I noticed (no criticism, just observation): - Mark has a full and rich low end, whereas Dan's lower notes lack of depth and warmth - Dan transitions into the higher register with more ease, Mark sounds strained as he goes up (might not be real strain, just sounds that way) - Dan has more edge and bite on the top notes (the ringing quality of the tenor voice), Mark's lacks of overtones What I wonder about though is if this is really all anatomy or a matter of how the voice has been structured by training. For instance, many of the countertenors in classical music are really baritones, and they sing very high connected notes (non falsetto) with a very light timbre. I think that, especially with the high voice, there are many ways to structure the voice and that a baritone may also develop an easy unconstricted head voice that is rich in overtones. What do you think?
I appreciate what this video is trying to express. Two of the most painful music related blunders I have encountered come from people conflating resonance with vocal range or middle school choral part assignments as accurate placements of what they should be singing. One guy in a church youth male chorus said at the D just above middle C (close to the top of my range at the time) that he was a bass. His talking voice pitch was difficult for me to sing with a relaxed throat. Another guy was trying to mansplain choral things to a dude in our singles congregation and referred to the "student's" resonance by saying, "when I hear your voice I just think 'bass'". The "Student" couldn't hold a low F.
I am an contralto and after I found out I was actually wanted like everyone to be a soprano, now my main focus is to sing as much as possible in my lower register and also medium (of course without forgetting the hights) congrats on the video
"Your voice is unique and should be celebrated accordingly!" is my quote for the day. It's been a month now being confused if I'm really a baritone or tenor since my voice really developed many times during the years. But one thing that I noticed that convinced that I am a full-pledged baritone is that when my voice is fully warmed-up and relaxed, every note is always warm and thick even on notes from F4-A4, and can also sing C3-F2 with resonance and ease. PS: Just to share, I always prioritize strengthening my vowels especially "i" because it's one of my weakness. I also mixed them by using the old italian method of "oo" vowel in them. Not necessarily to physically imitate the pronunciation of "oo" all the time but rather the intended vocal projection. And yes that is worth 11 years of choir/chorale and classical/opera training and practice. It really takes time but hey we'll get there! Have a great day!
These are my observations, and I might be wrong so correct me please if I am :) (i) Dr. Dan's notes have a brighter ring and a 'floatier' sound especially on those higher notes above the usual male passaggio/bridge region (i.e. G4-C5). Mark's higher notes sound quite chesty and warm, and can be mistaken as strain even if it is not so (singing higher in your chest voice does not necessarily mean strain). (ii) Mark's lower notes are richer in quality compared to Dr. Dan's, although Dr. Dan's great technique allows him to sing the G2 in a fuller tone and makes it a part of his tessitura/sweet spot. Then again, all these things have nothing to do with good singing - it is making the best use of one's natural anatomy and taking it to his or her fullest potential that does, and both Mark and Dr. Dan have great voices. Thanks for the video Dr. Dan! :)
Ok but he is CLEARLY straining. You can either comfortably sing in a higher chest dominant coordination or you can strain while doing it, he's clearly straining in this clip. If the note sounds strained then the singer is also, most probably, straining.
It's tone and range basically. A Leggero has a brighter sound and higher extension to F5 or higher. A Lyric Tenor has a somewhat richer sound but only get up to C5 or D5.
Hey Dan, I can certainly relate with the high pitch sound. I'm a counter-Tenor but for years I wanted to fit in… and failed. I'm often mistaken for a female soprano when I sing! As music is different so indeed are singers.
Nat Elliott-Ross Yeah feel the same when a girl I was courting says I sounded like a girl on lower pitch song. I now carefully choose my song from Michael Jackson to Bruno Mars, DeBarge, U2 etc to not sound like a female
Mark is shouting (forcing chest voice) all the way to g4, then he suddenly flips to a weak head voice on g#4 because he has no clue on how to negotiate the passagio. All this is saying is that being a tenor means knowing how to sing through the passagio. Im a tenor, and I used to force the chest voice up to g4 like that, and I though I was a baritone because of that. Then I trained and learned got to mix, so now Im kinda able to go all the way to c5 almost as easy as Dan. Not saying Im a big thing or anything, I just find this video pretty pointless, Mark sounds uncontrolled in every single note.
Thats exactly what i was thinking. I completely agree Also if Mark aligned his vowel and not try to be heavy it would be easier to pass through the passaggio.
Yeah, his vowel, his jaw, his eyebrows, his neck, his whole head stresses and moves uncomforably each note higher. causing strain. You can start to hear pulling on e4, and on g4 he's already shouting, he's clearly uncomfortable while singing. Im not even sure he is a baritone because I dont think a true baritone can shout a g4, but I can %100 sure tell he's technique is poor. Thank you for undestanding my coment.
But keep in mind it's not the fact that you can hit C5 strong that makes you a tenor it's your vocal weight. Baritones can hit high notes as well just differently than tenors. The video shows how they both can hit the same notes but with different textures.
The heavier the voice the more difficult it is to connect through the second passaggio bridging middle and head. I am a deep baritone an E4 is the toughest note to find in the throat and get the support right. The D#4 note needs some degree of transition as well.. I need to train multiple times a week to get a smooth connected transition. But you are right about Mark.. I actually think he is a half note (100 cents) brighter than me in terms of vocal fach. He needs to do more work The thing is that I have done a lot of experimentation at home and 440Hz tuning sucks for heavy voices. Even the A3 note (my first passaggio) is weird and high in 440Hz tuning. If I lower the A4 note to 438Hz or 219Hz instead of 220Hz then suddenly the A3 note (though it has a high placement) is more natural. We are talking a small 8 cents shift here.. I tried varying pitches from 442Hz to 428Hz for A4 and 432Hz is the smoothest and most realxed pitch for A whereas 428-430Hz sits to low for the A3 note. So it seems to me that natural pitch for A4 should lie between the neutral realxed and chesty 431Hz/432Hz or the more heady energized 437/438Hz. The Italien art of "bel canto" for dramatic baritones and a couple of other vocal fachs makes sense at the former European pitch at 435Hz not todays 440-442Hz pitch. There is a video on youtube with the demonstration of 432Hz to 440Hz on a choir singing Verdi. That should be obligatory listening for all vocal teachers and choir leaders.. No more shouting at the passaggio.. 432Hz is not new age mumbo jumbo.. it is the true relaxed pitch for A. Want a little more exictment go up to 435Hz but do not go any higher.: Verdi was strict with this thought.. He wrote his Requiem at 435Hz (Diapason normal) and would allow the pitch to go any higher.. WHen tuning to A4=432Hz doing a major scale from G3 to G4 crossing two passaggios (A3 and E4) is just an extension of my natural talking pitch up through notes in the 12-TET scale.. It smooth sailing..
I too think he is a Tenor, but not because of the g4 but of the c5. A g4 is actually very possible for a baritone as it's on the top of their register - while c5 on the other hand is out of the quiestion.
With all due respect to your knowledge on the topic, you both sound like tenors to me, only Mark had a deeper and fuller chest voice and some difficulties to sing in a mix, or go to head voice without his voice breaking or shaking. Some people naturally have more development on their mixed voice and head voice, and some others like myself had/have to struggle a lot with it but that doesn't make us baritones or less tenors. There are different types of tenors, and the voice doesn't exactly come from a mold, we are all different, and that's awesome!
Now I understand the difference between Baritone and Tenor. My dad sings more of a Tenor, my voice is still developing bc I'm only 17 but I feel like I will sing more of a baritone. I honestly thought I wouldnt like it but I'm perfectly fine with singing baritone
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I can definitely tell the difference between the tenor and baritone. Tenor really had a higher and lighter pitch on those high notes. Baritone definitely had rich undertones in the lower range and there was obvious strain when reaching for those higher notes. I could tell the difference in the chest and mixed too
Enjoyed this side-by-side video. My speaking voice is said to be bass baritone, but I sing bass reaching down to C2. However, I struggle to get my high range to the top of what is considered average bass high notes.
Wow, this is a good wake up call for male singers to understand the difference between Baritone and Tenor. Understanding the tone, timbre, weight, colour, etc...I know very well that I am a High Tenor and have an overall light vocal. I have strength and ease on the high notes and can go WAY past C5. My bottom register has always been by biggest weakness which is why I don't sing below F3, E3 or even D3 very often.
Sorry, didn't appear to be dismissive of your lighter tone but I really like the baritone depth and weight at the G4 (of course Mark has excellent technique to produce this)
Actually in one of his videos Dr. Dan says his voice is classified as leggiero. If you think about it it makes sense. His voice is so high he is often mistaken for a woman on the phone. Also his voice extends quite low. As we hear in this video he hits a G2 with minimal strain. These are characteristics of leggiero tenors.
2nd Tenor and Baritone are NOT the same thing. I used to think so myself but they are definitely not. 2nd Tenor means that you are still a Tenor but you are just not a high one. Baritone has a darker timbre and lower tessitura. What you said is how it is a a choral situation.
For those of you that say that Mark is a tenor, I'm not sure if he is a tenor, since he does have some quite powerful low notes. Also he seemingly strained a bit with the higher tenor notes. Whatever he is, his passagio seems to lie in the baritone range, although he does seem to have quite a high voice for a baritone.
I think it would be good for people to know that Dan is not only a tenor but a particularly high tenor that goes close to the female alto tessitura, and Mark is a very high and light baritone. That makes alot of diference, because a real low tenor is going to sound much closer to Mark than to Dan, even though Mark is a baritone.
Here's my problem.. My voice can't sing male songs comfortably but can sing female key songs. My voice is considered bass due to it's lowness but when I practice with other bass singers, I tend not to fit in their keys which I find it very frustrating. I can't reach tenor key bec. it's too high. Is there any way I can send you my voice recording and tell me what category my voice falls? I will appreciate your response!
Ricardo Bondoc I'd suggest practicing regularly (daily) with excercises like the ones in the video and pushing your range a bit more every now and then (NOT straining), I got my chest from an Eb4 to a G4 in approximately 2 months this way. Same thing with mix, I'd recommend (if you can) practice your mix separately from the chest until it seems developed and then work on your passagio etc. Not sure how to excercise lower notes, since I was born with a naturally p low voice but I'd imagine it's similar.
I think you a baritone with potentiall on low notes but has a good falsetto..Where you lack is chest voice strength.. I was there 🤗.. Now I can sing bass clearly and hit higher notes with chest but with loud sounds.. Sorry 4 the late response tho 😂😂
Dr Dan's Voice Essentials how can you sing that g2 as a tenor with support? Lowest note I can sing is is A2 and I can barely hear myself while singing in that frequency?
too me voice type doesn’t determine who is a better singer like some people think. Any voice/anyone can be a good singer just depends on how they use it with longevity, timbre, tone, diversity in genres, and quality.
My vocal range is E2 to C5 and I'm a baritone. 6:31 - Yeah, you can tell that he's not a baritone, because the colour of his voice is too bright. 8:23 - He may be singing higher, but the colour of his voice is still darker. So you can tell that he's a baritone, albeit a very high one.
Am here for the same reason bc his voice is so unique im like how the heck you hit those high notes mr. kim taehyung if you a baritone? This kinda helped.
Me and V have really similar voices and actually have the same supported range! I actually found out I was a Baritone after months of searching to what I could be thanks to V! (Although I can't sing no where near as WELL as him lol)
Thanks for a very useful video. I Minored in Western Classical Voice in college and was in this weird place where I could go either tenor or baritone. I sang tenor in choir and usually could go up to a G4 comfortably. But these days I am able to go up to B flat 4 without too much trouble. All my teachers were training me as a tenor but perhaps I would be better served being a lyric baritone? Of course, in Musical Theater there is the "baritenor" category, which seems to be a good fit.
It's important to remember that the classification of male and female voices into these distinct ranges does not have to be set in stone. Its a classical approach to vocals but that doesn't mean that you HAVE to fit into Bass, Baritone, Tenor at all cost. If your part of a 4 man vocal ensemble, having someone deliver notes from each of these ranges with a nice tone is quite important to produce a strong and balanced chord. If your part of a 20 man group, having these rigid groupings is less important. In this situation each note will be delivered by several vocalists simultaneously and it is quite acceptable (in my opinion) for several people to perform across multiple ranges providing the overall sound is balanced across the full range of the chord. Creativity is what music is all about for me. Having all the tenors sing this note and the baritone sing that note has been done over and over and over. Maybe the tone that one of the baritones can produce singing notes in the tenor range will give the sound some colour? Maybe you want to adjust the relative power of the baritone or tenor parts across the song by having some from each group change range during the performance. You could start off with a stronger focus on the baritone register and build the song to a finish with some of those baritones swapping to a tenor range
Your G2 really impressed me. It was way fuller than what I expected considering how high your voice naturally sits. Your ease until G4 is incredible! it's like speaking to you, then on G#4 I could hear more "head resonance" finally coming through but you navigated the F# and G amazingly which can be hard for a tenor. I'm a baritenor, I could hear in both voices some aspects relatable to my own voice lol it was interesting. I always have to be careful around E4, F4 and F#4 not to pull chest voice but If I manage to do that I can sing to an A4 quite "easily", then from the Bb4 it's quite a challenge and it depends on if it's a good day or not lol the F4 used to be an easy note when I was a teenager but what can you do... age hahaha. Don't know why i wrote so much but I felt like sharing :)
@@jonnychen919 it doesn't necessarily shrink but it often changes, especially from teenager years to adulthood, it can shift from a bit higher tessitura to a bit lower tessitura (where you're most comfortable singing). When I was 14 i could sing with more ease until F4, now I have to be more careful but, on the other hand, now I can sing much lower and my range actually expanded through practice and exercise :)
Two greats on one video, and an awesome topic covered. Thanks guys. I can easily guess who is going to have a somewhat easier time with a Journey song.
Thank you Dr. Dan and you too Mark. I found both of you really helpful and feel much more comfortable just letting my voice be what it is and developing it to be the best it can be.
Much Needed video. It was great to see the unique qualities of two diff voice types and how they are special. I personally always believe in scaling down/ up the Key of a song in your own comfortable range, so that your own vocal Timbre can shine.
Their head voices start in different places and chest voices end in different places. Mark starts going into falsetto earlier. All voices have a head voice, a chest voice and a falsetto. Only tenors, baritones and basses have a strohbass. For the tenor it starts at the C and ends down on the F, for a baritone, it starts at Ab, I think, and for a bass, it begins even lower, usually on F# or F. In-between these voices, there are fachs, that have different colours in the ranges; light (high lyric), lyric, lyric-dramatic and dramatic. Within these fachs, there are even more to explore, like buffo, soubrette, coloratura, bel canto, wagnerian vs verismo etc
Wow! As I suspected the two of you are friends! You have almost the same way of teaching and I love it! My best youtube vocal teachers! Thanks for this video! :D
I didn't hear a clear baritone vs tenor difference between the two voices, but rather a distinct timbre difference. It's very well said that each voice is unique, but also not all tenors sound as high, or baritones as low. Jonas Kaufmann is a tenor who has rich low notes. He could definitely sing the baritone repertoire if he wanted, but can also sing tenor. So, is he a tenor or a baritone? Do all tenors have to hit C5? Voice is a journey, and Dimash would agree that these classifications are sometimes limiting. My 2 cents.🙃
What if I am a woman with natural singing talent but can't sing up to the notes you sang up to in this video??? Is it all just a matter of training? Or can a girl still have a baritone voice? And if so, what's the physical reason behind it? Very short and thick vocal folds or pesky hormones? (I like the sound of baritone voices in general but as a woman it would be really restricting) And is it possible that a tenor voice can sing higher than an alto voice? And if so why are they still classified as each - is it because of where their tessatura sits? Many questions I know🙃 Happy if someone has the answers🥳
I am a high tenor. I've had years of vocal lessons. I'm older and a little rusty on technique as far as being a soloist. I sing regularly in a classical choir. I always compare myself as a lyric tenor to those around me with a more dramatic voice. They can go low with that really pretty edge to their notes. I can sing higher obviously and stay there longer... but not much higher/longer. I try to sing a little louder to match them with some tension ( which is a mistake!) And get hoarse quickly. Yet I hear very trained lyric tenors that seem to have volume! I guess I just need to get over it! My voice makes me perfect for a high tenor quartet part. If I drill daily (don't very much) then I do support more and sing longer without being hoarse. Any teachers I've had don't have an issue with my voice. Sorry for just rambling on!
Would have loved some visual pitch representation of what you’re singing I could tell you we’re different but hard to see what notes were in your sweet spot and what was a struggle
Llevo toda mi vida cantando otro rangos que no me sentía cómodo y hoy gracias a ustedes logré aclarar mis dudas. Soy Barítono , nací Barítono y toda mi vida lo seré. Es mi anatomía, muchas gracias!!!!
Wow, I think I'm a Baritone, this video just helped me see how much more comfy I was singing along with the other gent than w you Dr Dan, this was very helpful
Same. I can't hit the highs but easily hit lows with fullness. Clean falsetto all my life, puberty slowed me way down with understanding where I'm at. I always pushed way hard for higher chest voice. It's not happening. And don't want to do damage.
porta Prince was tenor as well I belive. Axl is baritone, but screaming in light mix I personally does not consider as a full voice, but that is just my opinion. He is amazing singer anyway, and was actally one of the reason why I started to sing ;)
I have always believed that I was a tenor. More & more, I'm seeing that I'm actually a baritone !!! I am a 54-year-old female with a very deep voice. Without fail, I am always called sir over the telephone. In jr. high school chorus, I was made to sing with the boys. I can hit high notes, but only in falsetto. I love your videos.
I wish I could sing alto. I would at least sound like a lady. The closest I could come is a crackly falsetto. My speaking voice is lower than both of yours. It sucks, but I guess you are stuck with what nature gives you. That's okay, rumor has it my great-grandmother could sing bass. Glad it ain't me, lol.
For the girls: Soprano: C4-C6. Mezzo-soprano: A3-A5. Alto: F3-F5. And for the blokes: Countertenor: E3-E5. Tenor: C3-C5. Baritone: A2-A4. Bass: E2-E4. Apparently- (on average, give or take), according to our normally, pretty reliable friend, Google. o.o
According to that list, I'm a Baritone, who can sing up into the Mezzo-soprano range. E5's the highest note that your average Countertenor- (which, for the record's the highest adult bloke's voice), can generally sing, but I can sing way above that- (albeit, in Falsetto), on a good day though- (up to about F5, comfortably, and up to about A5, give or take, at a push), meaning that I can also sing up into the lowest and the middle female ranges. That's why I like the fact that my choir-leader doesn't make the different sections of our choir gender-specific, like a lot of choirs are- (we've got female Tenors and we've also got male Sopranos and Altos!) I just wish my choir had Mezzo and Bari sections, for us middle voices though. That's my only wish, 'cos I often feel as though I'm about halfway between voices, give or take! o.o
That's a good choir-leader then ^^ I don't think that the Fach plays such an important role in contemporary music. Nice range there 😊 Do you sing the E5 in M1?
I'm not a singer in any way, so I did a vocal test for fun. For context, my natural speaking voice is undoubtedly a baritone with kind of a gravelly timbre to it. So, imagine my surprise when it said I was a tenor when it came to singing voice. F4 was the end of my primo and the start of my secondo. Interesting, if I'm reading or doing it correctly.
I always though I was a baritone, but I found it much easier to sing along with the tenor guy's voice. But my speaking voice isn't as high as his so I'm not sure. Anyone other "Baritones" notice this as well?
I'm curious, as I felt like my timbre was able to align with each of you. Similar brightness in the upper notes with Dan, similar warmth in the low with Mark. I've had multiple coaches over the years (12 to date) who apparently disagreed over how to classify my voice. Several called me a baritone with an extended tenor range, while others said I was a tenor, with a rich lower register. G2 to F#5 is my total useful range, including projected falsetto, though I've been known to get up to G#5 when covering Steven Tyler's "Dream On". I just as easily sing along with the Mezzo Sopranos as with Baritones. What really makes us what we are classified as? Comfort zones? I'm not sure that anatomy is a limiting factor so much as learning techniques to train that unique and individualized anatomy to reach pitches you didn't think you could. Just because a certain technique makes it possible for me to blast everyone away with that G#5 at the end of Dream On, not every person is going to understand or be able to imagine what I'm actually doing, the contradiction between the relaxation in my voice the opening of every resonant space in my head and the intensity of the expulsion of my breath to vibrate my vocal folds at a harmonic interval above what otherwise might be the last note in my range. I truly believe that my range is like this because I trained my voice for 25 years, and constantly worked to stretch and improve on my natural range. Because I happened to learn techniques that unlocked those ranges in the voice I already had, I was able to do so. Would those techniques have worked if I were anatomically different in any fashion? I'm inclined to believe that, while we are all gifted with comfort ranges, that breath control and technique are what open the doors, and that most voices have an extra octave (at least) of unexplored territory and defies the typical classical stratification of vocal ranges.
I liked the part when he said ya
ya
it's rewind time
....ssssssssssss
In my chorus we used to say yo instead
Ya!
Yaaaaaaaaaaa
jaajjajajajjaa XD
jajajaaaj
Argggggggh
😂🎤
whats wrong with you
Lol, everyone’s a professional vocal coach in the UA-cam comments.
Give it up guys. This is a video sharing site. If you can do better, SHOW us!
Dimash can do better, but he don't show it :)
@@dragulia_venaro I was just about to comment this...
@@arwengarraway9143 oh, really??
nice one😅👍
but i see no comments like that?
@Tariq Wiliams Not Yes, it’s Yaaaaa.
I’m hearing this: a baritone starts comfortable lower. And has to work harder once pitch goes up. A Tenor has to work harder when it goes down. And increases in comfort when the pitch is higher. You can clearly see the difference in comfort. 👌🏻
Baritones have strong, robust tones. Tenors have an easier time with the transition from chest voice to head voice, making it possible to hit notes in their upper register; baritones can do so as well , but it takes some work to do. I would classify myself a baritones and I think those are two of the main differences.
I wish my range will be better my range starts at c3 up to C4 and im struggling to hit g4 .
@@motisdelapisa4893 no way you have a 1 octave range XD
@@N9TheNoob uhmm, hell yeah it worked . i can hit f4 now :> just one more note and your jealous.
Brother?
By practicing you can gain at least an Octave.
I used to be able to sing a high and a low note but struggled with maintaining all the notes in between. So I learned to perfection my voice and transitions. On a bad day I have about 3.5 Octaves of range, on a good day I have 4 Octaves.
My most standard range is D2 to D5#.
The baritone's voice sounded deeper than the tenor even though they were singing the same notes. The tenor sound clearer
Yeah, and the Baritone's C5 was hit in head voice so he can not strain with the chesty way
That's how it is. Baritone in fuller and clearer in the mid to lower end and tenor is fuller and clearer in the mid to higher end.
Even though baritone is terribly impressive.
You can sing the same notes and sing it in higher or lower octaves. Tenors can sing higher octaves than baritones.
@@seerking no with mixed voice, baritone can sing as high as tenor
This was my first Dr. Dan video so I was really confused about the beginning
I'm still confused. lol
Welcome to the club
Same here
same
me too
I thought a baritone was deeper than that. Just a little higher than a bass. That shows you how much I know!
There are different types of Baritones...some hight and some low.
Meatloaf was a helden tenor
A lower more powerful tenor
That's a lower-end Bari. You've also got higher-end Baritones, like yours truly.
@Eddie Arias that's not bass baritone, that's lying
There is no such thing as a baritone or tenor or bass. The transitions between these "voice types" are smooth. It's equally stupid to say that there are 3 different kinds of human body sizes in the world: small, medium and large. Every single person is different
"and now for the girls" *Dan sings through with ease*
Dr Dan's Voice Essentials It took me a while to be able to do that too I kept being told I had the "baritone curse" I always thought of it as a gift
Not if ya wanna sing high, it ain't a gift! As a Bari, you'll have to pretty much always resort to Falsetto, in order to get the notes what ya hear Dan hit, with ease, in full-voice, as a Tenor. However, having said that, I've got a mate who's a Bari- (a Lyric Bari, to be precised), and he reckons he can belt, full-on, at F5. I think he might be telling fibs though, 'cos between you and me, mate: I've never actually heard him do it! o.o
Clara J I’m a tenor so yes it’s a thing
@@CockneyRebel1979 F5 Baritones for life >:D
Just kidding I'm an F4 Baritone, F5 is beyond me.
@@CockneyRebel1979 I used to struggle with the whole falsetto thing because my voice is very deep 🤣
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Why I can sing both ? And how you call people who can sing both voices.?
Ever herd of men taking estrogen to sing higher? Is it true, if so is it safe ? I'm considering it
i'm a tenor too, but i can sing like baritone except really low, that's when it starts to hurt. and i'm just a boy :/
@@NeryElsalvador higher voice range, now it depends where your voice fits best,how you normally speak, and how calm it is in either place
Wow amazing mark and dan.
why is the background music so hype
They add percussion to the piano scale
my jam
😂
Beat was fire
haha didn't see that coming!
Mark sounded like he needed a little more warming up .
hahahah i think so ...
lol
He was very tense in his neck. You could see the muscles squeezing inward
Baritone here : this was high baritone range into tenor range, that's what it will look like, yes. I've been singing for the previous 2 hours before watching this video, so I would say that I'm warmed up ; I was straining at the exact same notes as Mark.
Mark sounded like he needs a little more vocal coaching.
I am two lessons in, and was told yesterday I am a tenor, and I got offended at first. After trying falsetto for the first time and actually hearing myself, and now finding this video, I am prepared to embrace my unique characteristics while singing, and learning to perfect them. Thanks for the vote of confidence and for the freedom to explore my own voice.
You're welcome Eric Beggs. Thanks for watching.
Don´t be offended at that! My instructor is a bad ass coloratura soprano and a world class opera singer. She says that I am a true tenor and that her male students would kill for my range. Best voice compliment I ever got. I am not nearly as clean as Dan on the high C but it is fun to be able to sing killer female songs as well as the classic male standards.
The shit we learn later in life, yeah?
Be happy with your tenor voice. Tenors are great too.
Haha. I'd do anything to be a Tenor. For me and all other male singers who sing lower, we believe you won the lottery of being born able to sing high notes despite being a man. I envy youuuuu. 😭😭😭😭
@@jaidvance1376 speak for yourself i prefer deep full voice
This really gave me a clear understanding of why Michael Jackson’s voice sounds the way it does because he also has a high tenor which sounds explains why people said he sounded more like a female also the lowest note he could sing was a g2 which is really impressive considering his tone.
Michael Jackson was actually a baritone, not tenor. His father taught them to speak that way to be pleasant to White American, due to all the racism back then and worries about acceptance.
7:12 "And now for the girls!"
"Nah I got this"
8:20
As a baritone who's been struggling to find a 'Mixed' voice, I can't help but envy the natural tenor range - tenors just seem to have a natural consistency of timbre between their chest and head voices, whereas a baritone or bass usually sounds markedly different beyond chest register, and can't really get away with it without mastering the mix! However, on the tonal side of things I am grateful to have the rich baritone timbre, it lends itself to a powerful quality on the E4-A4 notes, which I like (although cannot yet achieve myself), and I feel now that if I can find the mixed voice to extend the range of my chest voice timbre, then I'd rather be a baritone.
Anyway, all voice types should be celebrated and embraced for what they can uniquely do! Enjoyed the video and glad to see cooperation between two of the best voice teachers on youtube!
I am in the same boat. Although my speaking voice is actually not that low, I've always had tough time singing high notes. I've been at it for years and slowly able to sing in the middle ranges and getting to that full voice from bottom to the top.
BUT, I know how frustrating and annoying it can be man. OMG i get so mad sometimes haha
How's your journey going? It's been a year since you've wrote this right? I would love to hear your progress.
James, I feel your pain. When I was a child, even though I had a child's voice, I struggled to get 'up there' while singing and never understood why. I'm baritone and have a rich voice but it gets thin on the higher notes. I have embraced it and revel in the fact that I can throw a loud voice to the back of a large room comfortably. I have learned to soften my tone when I need to and enjoy singing pop songs - but not in the same key as the original singer!
I wish I could sing lower I’m a counter tenor and I’ve always been able to sing really high, but too go past a F2 would be amazing
@Vladislav Stezhko I’ve actually been able to get to an E#2 consistently now. Idk whether I’m a baritone with a high mixed/upper/whistle register. Or a counter-tenor with a lower register.
@Vladislav Stezhko is it possible for someone to sound like baritone on low notes and tenor on high ones?
This video was super helpful for me. As a shower singer, I'd never known why I'm better at singing some songs rather than others. This video helped me place myself more in the baritone area and mimicking Mark helped sure this up. I found myself wobbling back and forth between my natural voice and falsetto when working the Ya progression. Probably the third to last scale was the most rapid quavering.
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I like that you broke down these two important male voice types. It's so obvious that the main difference is not only the high and low but the brightness of the tenor and the fullness of the baritone. Definitely the bright tenor makes little or no effort when singing in the high range, and baritone does, but it sounds warm and passionate in the middle.
Since higher notes (for baritones) are generally used in the emotional climax of a song, I have come to associate the baritones' timbre at those notes with that emotional context. I always assumed that a tenor could sing those high notes "better" but it doesn't sound like it would fit the emotion I associate with the climax of a song. Thanks for setting me free from that misconception.
My father's timber was between a tenor and a Baritone but could hit the rare base note. But sadly he had a heart attack in 2005 and had a tube shock down his throat which affected his singing voice he just had a stroke this year which makes me wonder how much it may have affected him. I remember my father used to sing to me for comfort after nightmares and night tares. That I used to get them as a kid and they were really bad.
wish the best for him♥️
What's "the rare base note"?
@@jadalba9760 I believe what was meant was that the commenter's father could hit some notes typically associated with the bass voice type, but rarely.
To be honest Dan has a really high speaking voice. Most tenors, even operatic, don’t have such a high speaking voice. Almost like an alto.
Yes he indeed does have a high speaking voice.
That is why Dan is often mistaken as a girl in phone talk
His natural low end is similar to a standard lyric tenor about G2. It's just how he talk
@@muslimmetalman G2? Lol, usually a tenor's range starts at C3 (not saying tenors can't reach G2, but that's quite out of their usual range). Hell, that's even one note under the baritone range (A2-A2), even though virtually any baritone can easily hit it.
There are rare men who cannot sound an A#2, I would say tenor is (F2 - A#2), baritone (Db2 - E2), and bass (A1 - C2). However, Dan is an exception, although he can sound the G2, he is clearly an alto
The real issue is that popular music is general performed at a higher register. And because of this, the general public hears and wants to be able to emulate these sounds. This is sometimes in DIRECT contrast to the wishes of singers. Alot of high pitch singers wish they would be able to sing the much lower tones they cannot sing. I am a bass-baritone. I would absolutely love to be able to sing the higher notes and not have to move into a mix voice. I just wish there were more songs performed in the natural baritone range. Who knows, maybe the music industry will wake up one day and wish for that full rich sound.
As a young man I was Tenor to Alto, NOW more Baritone to Tenor, however I still try to sing alto...and poorly at that. You have helped me discern for what is the best transition for me. (BTW I used to sing with an OPERA Chorus (150+ voices) in Atlanta, and a smaller men's group (50 voices) and a quartet (not Barbershop) in my younger days and well at that...things have changed a LOT!
I'm glad you found the video hepful, Jari Mikkola. Thanks for watching.
Wow, this video was incredibly helpful. I had the misconception that tenors and baritones can't hit the same notes, but there is definitely some overlap, and the difference in weight is also very clear to me. This video helped me understand my voice better. I think I'm more similar to Mr. Baxter, and because he sounds so great, it made me feel good about having a heavier voice. Dr. Dan, your voice is so smooth and soothing, though, and I envy it! :) It floats in the stratosphere so effortlessly with a brightness that mesmerizes!
Your voice type is determined mostly by the tonal characteristics, colour, timbre, and tessitura of your voice. Not so much by the notes you can hit. I'm a low baritone whose natural range is E2-E4. But there are some tenors out there like Paul McCartney who can hit lower notes or could hit lower notes than me.
@@c.syde65 tenors can go lower than E2?
@@ivblizzard3616 Some can. In fact there are tenors like Paul McCartney who can or could hit an A1.
Even as a low baritone, myself, I'm not sure I can hit an A1. If I can hit an A1, it would most likely be vocal fry.
But then I have a pretty weak vocal range, spanning only 2 octaves.
@@c.syde65 Idk dude ... maybe im a baritone but I cant go lower than Bb2 , A2 on a good day
I've been told my voice is too deep for a girl. Also, I had a male friend, who, before puberty, sounded like a soprano, but after summer vacation, he came back as a bass.
There are female tenors and boy sopranos.
Search around.
@@D-J-Q truee
DJQ 15 no kidding Im a girl and i can easily sing tenor and alto but ofc my choir directors put me in soprano... which while i can reach, take a heck of a lot more effort to get to like
@@D-J-Q they are actually called Altos and counter-tenors
Same lol I was a soprano when i was 13 but when i turned 14 ( This year) my voice becomes a Tenor.
All keep hearing the guys say yaaaaaaaaah, do they ever say no?
I did once
Oh no, what happened?
Nooooooooooooooooooo
Too funny😆
I can totally relate to everything he said about Tenor voices... when I sang my judge even told me that when he closed his eyes he pictured a strong female vocalist
I have a somewhat deep speaking voice but I sing in Tenor. I really enjoy it because I like to sing in a R&B style.
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That is physically possible believe it or not
I love the idea for celebrating biological vocal differences. I am clearly a baritone.
I think its possible for a voice to not be tenor or baritone yet have qualities of both like a baritenor. high and expansive yet full and rich in color. Also I agree that your range and vocal type is genetic
Johnny Cuff yes if your passagio is at F4
I'm a baritenor , or a low tenor
Same thing
Gabriel Gutierrez I do agree with you.. actually, my passagio occurs at G4... when I want I may sing as a baritone or as a tenor in terms of voige color.. however, how I got used to sing higher, I often sing as being a tenor..
Vinicius Prates G4 = lyric tenor
So it makes sense :)
I'm F4 is lower, it is almost baritone but I'm still a tenor
Baritone passagio are E4 and D4
Thanks L.e. Kevin.
I think I',m either a Light or Full Lyric tenor, even tho my lower register has a really dark timbre to it.
Gabriel Gutierrez I have a small passagio in E4, but I maintain it untill G4, when the voice changes a little
Thanks Dan and Mark for this interesting (and fun) lesson! Here's what I noticed (no criticism, just observation):
- Mark has a full and rich low end, whereas Dan's lower notes lack of depth and warmth
- Dan transitions into the higher register with more ease, Mark sounds strained as he goes up (might not be real strain, just sounds that way)
- Dan has more edge and bite on the top notes (the ringing quality of the tenor voice), Mark's lacks of overtones
What I wonder about though is if this is really all anatomy or a matter of how the voice has been structured by training. For instance, many of the countertenors in classical music are really baritones, and they sing very high connected notes (non falsetto) with a very light timbre. I think that, especially with the high voice, there are many ways to structure the voice and that a baritone may also develop an easy unconstricted head voice that is rich in overtones. What do you think?
I appreciate what this video is trying to express. Two of the most painful music related blunders I have encountered come from people conflating resonance with vocal range or middle school choral part assignments as accurate placements of what they should be singing.
One guy in a church youth male chorus said at the D just above middle C (close to the top of my range at the time) that he was a bass. His talking voice pitch was difficult for me to sing with a relaxed throat.
Another guy was trying to mansplain choral things to a dude in our singles congregation and referred to the "student's" resonance by saying, "when I hear your voice I just think 'bass'". The "Student" couldn't hold a low F.
I am an contralto and after I found out I was actually wanted like everyone to be a soprano, now my main focus is to sing as much as possible in my lower register and also medium (of course without forgetting the hights) congrats on the video
"Your voice is unique and should be celebrated accordingly!" is my quote for the day.
It's been a month now being confused if I'm really a baritone or tenor since my voice really developed many times during the years. But one thing that I noticed that convinced that I am a full-pledged baritone is that when my voice is fully warmed-up and relaxed, every note is always warm and thick even on notes from F4-A4, and can also sing C3-F2 with resonance and ease.
PS: Just to share, I always prioritize strengthening my vowels especially "i" because it's one of my weakness. I also mixed them by using the old italian method of "oo" vowel in them. Not necessarily to physically imitate the pronunciation of "oo" all the time but rather the intended vocal projection.
And yes that is worth 11 years of choir/chorale and classical/opera training and practice. It really takes time but hey we'll get there!
Have a great day!
This was the first video i watched on your channel haha. Had no idea that Mark wasn't you.
Haha...that is funny.
Same
These are my observations, and I might be wrong so correct me please if I am :)
(i) Dr. Dan's notes have a brighter ring and a 'floatier' sound especially on those higher notes above the usual male passaggio/bridge region (i.e. G4-C5). Mark's higher notes sound quite chesty and warm, and can be mistaken as strain even if it is not so (singing higher in your chest voice does not necessarily mean strain).
(ii) Mark's lower notes are richer in quality compared to Dr. Dan's, although Dr. Dan's great technique allows him to sing the G2 in a fuller tone and makes it a part of his tessitura/sweet spot.
Then again, all these things have nothing to do with good singing - it is making the best use of one's natural anatomy and taking it to his or her fullest potential that does, and both Mark and Dr. Dan have great voices. Thanks for the video Dr. Dan! :)
Ok but he is CLEARLY straining. You can either comfortably sing in a higher chest dominant coordination or you can strain while doing it, he's clearly straining in this clip. If the note sounds strained then the singer is also, most probably, straining.
Mark is a tenor not knowing how to navigate the passaggio.
TheAlijanify aren't his house just falsetto though?
that mean he's the second tenor spinto
Thefire He’s a tenor, yes.
Dan sounds like an alto
I tought the same
I was getting ready for Dan to do some whistle notes 👌
Mark was yelling at G4 3:27
Yep! 'Cos a Baritone's voice ain't built to go that high.
At least it was better on the scales.
Hello Brent! What would be the different between a Leggiero tenor and a Lyric Tenor?
It's tone and range basically. A Leggero has a brighter sound and higher extension to F5 or higher. A Lyric Tenor has a somewhat richer sound but only get up to C5 or D5.
Cheer's mate! I enjoy digging deeper into fach as it can tell you a lot about your own voice type. Happy singing Chad!
Hey Dan, I can certainly relate with the high pitch sound. I'm a counter-Tenor but for years I wanted to fit in… and failed. I'm often mistaken for a female soprano when I sing! As music is different so indeed are singers.
count me in lad's. I was on the phone the other day and the fella thought I was a girl until we met up!
Telegram Sam Really? OMG! I used to get "Is Mr. Elliott-Ross available please madam?" 😂
Nat Elliott-Ross
Yeah feel the same when a girl I was courting says I sounded like a girl on lower pitch song. I now carefully choose my song from Michael Jackson to Bruno Mars, DeBarge, U2 etc to not sound like a female
Ты не контр-тенор, ты с большей вероятностью тенор альтино или же баритон который хочет быть тенором
Mark is shouting (forcing chest voice) all the way to g4, then he suddenly flips to a weak head voice on g#4 because he has no clue on how to negotiate the passagio. All this is saying is that being a tenor means knowing how to sing through the passagio. Im a tenor, and I used to force the chest voice up to g4 like that, and I though I was a baritone because of that. Then I trained and learned got to mix, so now Im kinda able to go all the way to c5 almost as easy as Dan. Not saying Im a big thing or anything, I just find this video pretty pointless, Mark sounds uncontrolled in every single note.
Thats exactly what i was thinking. I completely agree Also if Mark aligned his vowel and not try to be heavy it would be easier to pass through the passaggio.
Yeah, his vowel, his jaw, his eyebrows, his neck, his whole head stresses and moves uncomforably each note higher. causing strain. You can start to hear pulling on e4, and on g4 he's already shouting, he's clearly uncomfortable while singing. Im not even sure he is a baritone because I dont think a true baritone can shout a g4, but I can %100 sure tell he's technique is poor.
Thank you for undestanding my coment.
But keep in mind it's not the fact that you can hit C5 strong that makes you a tenor it's your vocal weight. Baritones can hit high notes as well just differently than tenors. The video shows how they both can hit the same notes but with different textures.
The heavier the voice the more difficult it is to connect through the second passaggio bridging middle and head. I am a deep baritone an E4 is the toughest note to find in the throat and get the support right. The D#4 note needs some degree of transition as well.. I need to train multiple times a week to get a smooth connected transition.
But you are right about Mark.. I actually think he is a half note (100 cents) brighter than me in terms of vocal fach. He needs to do more work
The thing is that I have done a lot of experimentation at home and 440Hz tuning sucks for heavy voices. Even the A3 note (my first passaggio) is weird and high in 440Hz tuning. If I lower the A4 note to 438Hz or 219Hz instead of 220Hz then suddenly the A3 note (though it has a high placement) is more natural. We are talking a small 8 cents shift here.. I tried varying pitches from 442Hz to 428Hz for A4 and 432Hz is the smoothest and most realxed pitch for A whereas 428-430Hz sits to low for the A3 note. So it seems to me that natural pitch for A4 should lie between the neutral realxed and chesty 431Hz/432Hz or the more heady energized 437/438Hz. The Italien art of "bel canto" for dramatic baritones and a couple of other vocal fachs makes sense at the former European pitch at 435Hz not todays 440-442Hz pitch.
There is a video on youtube with the demonstration of 432Hz to 440Hz on a choir singing Verdi. That should be obligatory listening for all vocal teachers and choir leaders.. No more shouting at the passaggio.. 432Hz is not new age mumbo jumbo.. it is the true relaxed pitch for A. Want a little more exictment go up to 435Hz but do not go any higher.: Verdi was strict with this thought.. He wrote his Requiem at 435Hz (Diapason normal) and would allow the pitch to go any higher.. WHen tuning to A4=432Hz doing a major scale from G3 to G4 crossing two passaggios (A3 and E4) is just an extension of my natural talking pitch up through notes in the 12-TET scale.. It smooth sailing..
I too think he is a Tenor, but not because of the g4 but of the c5. A g4 is actually very possible for a baritone as it's on the top of their register - while c5 on the other hand is out of the quiestion.
With all due respect to your knowledge on the topic, you both sound like tenors to me, only Mark had a deeper and fuller chest voice and some difficulties to sing in a mix, or go to head voice without his voice breaking or shaking.
Some people naturally have more development on their mixed voice and head voice, and some others like myself had/have to struggle a lot with it but that doesn't make us baritones or less tenors.
There are different types of tenors, and the voice doesn't exactly come from a mold, we are all different, and that's awesome!
Now I understand the difference between Baritone and Tenor. My dad sings more of a Tenor, my voice is still developing bc I'm only 17 but I feel like I will sing more of a baritone. I honestly thought I wouldnt like it but I'm perfectly fine with singing baritone
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I can definitely tell the difference between the tenor and baritone. Tenor really had a higher and lighter pitch on those high notes. Baritone definitely had rich undertones in the lower range and there was obvious strain when reaching for those higher notes. I could tell the difference in the chest and mixed too
I love the tone of a good higher register vocalist.
Dave Coutts, Freddie Mercury, Darren Hayes, etc.
Enjoyed this side-by-side video. My speaking voice is said to be bass baritone, but I sing bass reaching down to C2. However, I struggle to get my high range to the top of what is considered average bass high notes.
Wow, this is a good wake up call for male singers to understand the difference between Baritone and Tenor. Understanding the tone, timbre, weight, colour, etc...I know very well that I am a High Tenor and have an overall light vocal. I have strength and ease on the high notes and can go WAY past C5. My bottom register has always been by biggest weakness which is why I don't sing below F3, E3 or even D3 very often.
Me too!
What a great video - I reckon a lot of baritones who wish they were tenors are going to watch this and be glad that they are actually baritones!
Sorry, didn't appear to be dismissive of your lighter tone but I really like the baritone depth and weight at the G4 (of course Mark has excellent technique to produce this)
they are both tenors, low and high. You need listening natural baritones
Mark is probably a Dramatic Tenor while Dan is a Light Lyric Tenor.
Actually in one of his videos Dr. Dan says his voice is classified as leggiero. If you think about it it makes sense. His voice is so high he is often mistaken for a woman on the phone. Also his voice extends quite low. As we hear in this video he hits a G2 with minimal strain. These are characteristics of leggiero tenors.
2nd Tenor and Baritone are NOT the same thing. I used to think so myself but they are definitely not. 2nd Tenor means that you are still a Tenor but you are just not a high one. Baritone has a darker timbre and lower tessitura. What you said is how it is a a choral situation.
I beg to differ. As a Baritone, meself, I can say, with quite a bit of confidence, that Mark's definitely a Baritone.
Noel Washington The voice you sing on a choir has nothing to do with voice type. Most trained singers can sing different voices in a choir.
For those of you that say that Mark is a tenor, I'm not sure if he is a tenor, since he does have some quite powerful low notes. Also he seemingly strained a bit with the higher tenor notes. Whatever he is, his passagio seems to lie in the baritone range, although he does seem to have quite a high voice for a baritone.
Мой голос выше Марка, значит ли что я низкий тенор?
@@Maksim-Dolgun Possibly. But your voice type isn't necessarily determined by the pitch of your voice, but the colour, timbre, and tessitura of it.
@@c.syde65 мой голос мягкий, детский, нежный, и когда я разогреваюсь я пою и говорю очень высоким голосом, и не возникает трудностей
@@c.syde65 так-же у меня кадык маленький и он очень высоко расположен
@@c.syde65 но в обычной жизни у меня голос ниже чем у этого тенора
This is a sign. I spoke to both of you yesterday, I love the synchronicity!
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Just found this, awesome video, thanks for making it
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think it would be good for people to know that Dan is not only a tenor but a particularly high tenor that goes close to the female alto tessitura, and Mark is a very high and light baritone. That makes alot of diference, because a real low tenor is going to sound much closer to Mark than to Dan, even though Mark is a baritone.
Here's my problem.. My voice can't sing male songs comfortably but can sing female key songs. My voice is considered bass due to it's lowness but when I practice with other bass singers, I tend not to fit in their keys which I find it very frustrating. I can't reach tenor key bec. it's too high. Is there any way I can send you my voice recording and tell me what category my voice falls? I will appreciate your response!
Ricardo Bondoc I'd suggest practicing regularly (daily) with excercises like the ones in the video and pushing your range a bit more every now and then (NOT straining), I got my chest from an Eb4 to a G4 in approximately 2 months this way. Same thing with mix, I'd recommend (if you can) practice your mix separately from the chest until it seems developed and then work on your passagio etc. Not sure how to excercise lower notes, since I was born with a naturally p low voice but I'd imagine it's similar.
You're probably a high baritone. Or a low tenor. Just guessing, though. I'm not a vocal expert.
I think you a baritone with potentiall on low notes but has a good falsetto..Where you lack is chest voice strength.. I was there 🤗.. Now I can sing bass clearly and hit higher notes with chest but with loud sounds.. Sorry 4 the late response tho 😂😂
Omg SAME😑
You definitely can sing higher, just need to practice mixed/middle voice to have a smooth passagio.
I like the part when they say "yaaaaaaaaaaaa"
I'm a tenor. I'm in my 30's and my speaking voice still sounds like that of a teenager. Tenors naturally sounds youthful compared to baritone.
Dr Dan's Voice Essentials how can you sing that g2 as a tenor with support? Lowest note I can sing is is A2 and I can barely hear myself while singing in that frequency?
Being a baritone singer I have never had a hero's part in a play. That always goes to the Tenor. Thanks for the demo.
too me voice type doesn’t determine who is a better singer like some people think. Any voice/anyone can be a good singer just depends on how they use it with longevity, timbre, tone, diversity in genres, and quality.
Thank you for helping me see my tenor range. Could you please discuss about female tenors versus contraltos and other low female voices?
My vocal range is E2 to C5 and I'm a baritone. 6:31 - Yeah, you can tell that he's not a baritone, because the colour of his voice is too bright. 8:23 - He may be singing higher, but the colour of his voice is still darker. So you can tell that he's a baritone, albeit a very high one.
Scratch that. I'm a baritone with a range of E2 to E4.
Oh, thanks for the video!
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Am here for the same reason bc his voice is so unique im like how the heck you hit those high notes mr. kim taehyung if you a baritone? This kinda helped.
Yuck
Me and V have really similar voices and actually have the same supported range! I actually found out I was a Baritone after months of searching to what I could be thanks to V! (Although I can't sing no where near as WELL as him lol)
I just checked them out.
They suck real bad.
Thanks for a very useful video. I Minored in Western Classical Voice in college and was in this weird place where I could go either tenor or baritone. I sang tenor in choir and usually could go up to a G4 comfortably. But these days I am able to go up to B flat 4 without too much trouble. All my teachers were training me as a tenor but perhaps I would be better served being a lyric baritone? Of course, in Musical Theater there is the "baritenor" category, which seems to be a good fit.
You can go to my SoundCloud channel to get a sense of my voice type. The latest upload is "If I Loved You" from Carousel.
It's important to remember that the classification of male and female voices into these distinct ranges does not have to be set in stone. Its a classical approach to vocals but that doesn't mean that you HAVE to fit into Bass, Baritone, Tenor at all cost. If your part of a 4 man vocal ensemble, having someone deliver notes from each of these ranges with a nice tone is quite important to produce a strong and balanced chord. If your part of a 20 man group, having these rigid groupings is less important. In this situation each note will be delivered by several vocalists simultaneously and it is quite acceptable (in my opinion) for several people to perform across multiple ranges providing the overall sound is balanced across the full range of the chord.
Creativity is what music is all about for me. Having all the tenors sing this note and the baritone sing that note has been done over and over and over. Maybe the tone that one of the baritones can produce singing notes in the tenor range will give the sound some colour? Maybe you want to adjust the relative power of the baritone or tenor parts across the song by having some from each group change range during the performance. You could start off with a stronger focus on the baritone register and build the song to a finish with some of those baritones swapping to a tenor range
Your G2 really impressed me. It was way fuller than what I expected considering how high your voice naturally sits. Your ease until G4 is incredible! it's like speaking to you, then on G#4 I could hear more "head resonance" finally coming through but you navigated the F# and G amazingly which can be hard for a tenor. I'm a baritenor, I could hear in both voices some aspects relatable to my own voice lol it was interesting. I always have to be careful around E4, F4 and F#4 not to pull chest voice but If I manage to do that I can sing to an A4 quite "easily", then from the Bb4 it's quite a challenge and it depends on if it's a good day or not lol the F4 used to be an easy note when I was a teenager but what can you do... age hahaha. Don't know why i wrote so much but I felt like sharing :)
does our vocal range shrink as we getting old?
@@jonnychen919 it doesn't necessarily shrink but it often changes, especially from teenager years to adulthood, it can shift from a bit higher tessitura to a bit lower tessitura (where you're most comfortable singing). When I was 14 i could sing with more ease until F4, now I have to be more careful but, on the other hand, now I can sing much lower and my range actually expanded through practice and exercise :)
@@MatSwim94 His G2 is impressive indeed , I don't even have a G2
I wanna see someone do this with female voice types too, especially contralto/mezzo. Would clear up stuff for me.
Two greats on one video, and an awesome topic covered. Thanks guys. I can easily guess who is going to have a somewhat easier time with a Journey song.
I hear the difference. Very good!
Mark raises his larynx extremely high and it shows
Mark’s voice sounds deeper and richer. Dan’s voice sounds lighter and brighter. I’m a tenor too.
Awesome And Spectacular Singing Dr. Dan, You Know?! I Am A BARITONE As Well Just Like Your Best Friend Mark Baxter!🖌🎤🎧🎼🎹
Dr Dan it's all good thanks to you now that I know my vocal arrangement because when I say it sounded like between tenor and bass
Thank you Dr. Dan and you too Mark. I found both of you really helpful and feel much more comfortable just letting my voice be what it is and developing it to be the best it can be.
Our pleasure!
Much Needed video. It was great to see the unique qualities of two diff voice types and how they are special. I personally always believe in scaling down/ up the Key of a song in your own comfortable range, so that your own vocal Timbre can shine.
Their head voices start in different places and chest voices end in different places. Mark starts going into falsetto earlier. All voices have a head voice, a chest voice and a falsetto. Only tenors, baritones and basses have a strohbass. For the tenor it starts at the C and ends down on the F, for a baritone, it starts at Ab, I think, and for a bass, it begins even lower, usually on F# or F. In-between these voices, there are fachs, that have different colours in the ranges; light (high lyric), lyric, lyric-dramatic and dramatic. Within these fachs, there are even more to explore, like buffo, soubrette, coloratura, bel canto, wagnerian vs verismo etc
Wow! As I suspected the two of you are friends! You have almost the same way of teaching and I love it! My best youtube vocal teachers! Thanks for this video! :D
I didn't hear a clear baritone vs tenor difference between the two voices, but rather a distinct timbre difference. It's very well said that each voice is unique, but also not all tenors sound as high, or baritones as low. Jonas Kaufmann is a tenor who has rich low notes. He could definitely sing the baritone repertoire if he wanted, but can also sing tenor. So, is he a tenor or a baritone? Do all tenors have to hit C5? Voice is a journey, and Dimash would agree that these classifications are sometimes limiting. My 2 cents.🙃
mark has a much deeper voice
What if I am a woman with natural singing talent but can't sing up to the notes you sang up to in this video??? Is it all just a matter of training?
Or can a girl still have a baritone voice?
And if so, what's the physical reason behind it? Very short and thick vocal folds or pesky hormones?
(I like the sound of baritone voices in general but as a woman it would be really restricting)
And is it possible that a tenor voice can sing higher than an alto voice? And if so why are they still classified as each - is it because of where their tessatura sits?
Many questions I know🙃
Happy if someone has the answers🥳
I remember my music professor & lessons back in the day because of this. Thanks for uploading :-)
You're welcome Allen Sagalla. Thanks for watching.
I am a high tenor. I've had years of vocal lessons. I'm older and a little rusty on technique as far as being a soloist. I sing regularly in a classical choir. I always compare myself as a lyric tenor to those around me with a more dramatic voice. They can go low with that really pretty edge to their notes. I can sing higher obviously and stay there longer... but not much higher/longer. I try to sing a little louder to match them with some tension ( which is a mistake!) And get hoarse quickly. Yet I hear very trained lyric tenors that seem to have volume! I guess I just need to get over it! My voice makes me perfect for a high tenor quartet part. If I drill daily (don't very much) then I do support more and sing longer without being hoarse. Any teachers I've had don't have an issue with my voice. Sorry for just rambling on!
O_O how are they so precise with their voice as if its an instrument....
Awesome video, now I know for sure I am a baritone. Nice to see you two working together, I like you both and love your videos. :-)
Would have loved some visual pitch representation of what you’re singing I could tell you we’re different but hard to see what notes were in your sweet spot and what was a struggle
But the idea was interesting and helpful I just found out I’m a tenor and my friend a baritone.
Llevo toda mi vida cantando otro rangos que no me sentía cómodo y hoy gracias a ustedes logré aclarar mis dudas. Soy Barítono , nací Barítono y toda mi vida lo seré. Es mi anatomía, muchas gracias!!!!
Wow, I think I'm a Baritone, this video just helped me see how much more comfy I was singing along with the other gent than w you Dr Dan, this was very helpful
Glad it helped!
Same. I can't hit the highs but easily hit lows with fullness. Clean falsetto all my life, puberty slowed me way down with understanding where I'm at. I always pushed way hard for higher chest voice. It's not happening. And don't want to do damage.
Axl rose has a baritone speaking voice yet he can sing extremely high. same with prince and michael jackson.
I love your lessons thanks a lot for the help!
singing high doesn't determine your vocal fach, knowing where your passagio lies does.
Axl and Prince yes but MJ was a tenor.
porta Prince was tenor as well I belive. Axl is baritone, but screaming in light mix I personally does not consider as a full voice, but that is just my opinion. He is amazing singer anyway, and was actally one of the reason why I started to sing ;)
Mačak u čizmama Prince was definitely not a tenor. His speaking voice and singing tessitura were that of a baritone
Thank you for this video. My speaking voice is quite low so it has been assumed l am a bass. But, l'm a tenor.
Very interesting what does your speaking voice sound like and your singing voice?
Oh so that's a baritone I was confused which part I'm in because I'm a tenor but I can hit lower notes compared to my fellow tenors
very thorough lessons . Thanks
Thanks for your sharing so much,I learn a lot about singing by your demonstration,so useful to me !
You're welcome Hung So. Thanks for watching.
I have always believed that I was a tenor. More & more, I'm seeing that I'm actually a baritone !!! I am a 54-year-old female with a very deep voice. Without fail, I am always called sir over the telephone. In jr. high school chorus, I was made to sing with the boys. I can hit high notes, but only in falsetto. I love your videos.
I wish I could sing alto. I would at least sound like a lady. The closest I could come is a crackly falsetto. My speaking voice is lower than both of yours. It sucks, but I guess you are stuck with what nature gives you. That's okay, rumor has it my great-grandmother could sing bass. Glad it ain't me, lol.
For the girls:
Soprano: C4-C6.
Mezzo-soprano: A3-A5.
Alto: F3-F5.
And for the blokes:
Countertenor: E3-E5.
Tenor: C3-C5.
Baritone: A2-A4.
Bass: E2-E4.
Apparently- (on average, give or take), according to our normally, pretty reliable friend, Google. o.o
According to this, I' must be a bass........ and i am clearly a tenor (a lower one maybe) but my timbre is too fuckin' bright to not be a tenor.
According to that list, I'm a Baritone, who can sing up into the Mezzo-soprano range. E5's the highest note that your average Countertenor- (which, for the record's the highest adult bloke's voice), can generally sing, but I can sing way above that- (albeit, in Falsetto), on a good day though- (up to about F5, comfortably, and up to about A5, give or take, at a push), meaning that I can also sing up into the lowest and the middle female ranges. That's why I like the fact that my choir-leader doesn't make the different sections of our choir gender-specific, like a lot of choirs are- (we've got female Tenors and we've also got male Sopranos and Altos!) I just wish my choir had Mezzo and Bari sections, for us middle voices though. That's my only wish, 'cos I often feel as though I'm about halfway between voices, give or take! o.o
That's a good choir-leader then ^^
I don't think that the Fach plays such an important role in contemporary music.
Nice range there 😊
Do you sing the E5 in M1?
Cockney Rebel that is crap my fried :)
This means nothing! Your range defines nothing, and those ranges Google gave you are way too generic, very few people have such limited registers
I'm not a singer in any way, so I did a vocal test for fun. For context, my natural speaking voice is undoubtedly a baritone with kind of a gravelly timbre to it. So, imagine my surprise when it said I was a tenor when it came to singing voice.
F4 was the end of my primo and the start of my secondo. Interesting, if I'm reading or doing it correctly.
Muchas gracias nunca lo había pensado así . Muy buena apreciación!!
Mr. Doctor, you have a very very good tenor voice, my fully respect!
I envy your voice, Dan. Although I'm pretty happy with mine, indeed. I'm a baritone, by the way. A high one, I think.
I always though I was a baritone, but I found it much easier to sing along with the tenor guy's voice. But my speaking voice isn't as high as his so I'm not sure. Anyone other "Baritones" notice this as well?
Avinash Hingorani, the following video may prove helpful - ua-cam.com/video/mNppbS_p5qA/v-deo.html
2:18 the grass is always greener on the other side, as they say.
Holy crap ive been a baritone this whole time
Mark is a great teacher. His vocal therapy exercises have been with me for years.
Thanks for this! Cheers from Brazil!
My pleasure!
I'm curious, as I felt like my timbre was able to align with each of you. Similar brightness in the upper notes with Dan, similar warmth in the low with Mark.
I've had multiple coaches over the years (12 to date) who apparently disagreed over how to classify my voice. Several called me a baritone with an extended tenor range, while others said I was a tenor, with a rich lower register.
G2 to F#5 is my total useful range, including projected falsetto, though I've been known to get up to G#5 when covering Steven Tyler's "Dream On".
I just as easily sing along with the Mezzo Sopranos as with Baritones.
What really makes us what we are classified as? Comfort zones?
I'm not sure that anatomy is a limiting factor so much as learning techniques to train that unique and individualized anatomy to reach pitches you didn't think you could. Just because a certain technique makes it possible for me to blast everyone away with that G#5 at the end of Dream On, not every person is going to understand or be able to imagine what I'm actually doing, the contradiction between the relaxation in my voice the opening of every resonant space in my head and the intensity of the expulsion of my breath to vibrate my vocal folds at a harmonic interval above what otherwise might be the last note in my range.
I truly believe that my range is like this because I trained my voice for 25 years, and constantly worked to stretch and improve on my natural range. Because I happened to learn techniques that unlocked those ranges in the voice I already had, I was able to do so.
Would those techniques have worked if I were anatomically different in any fashion?
I'm inclined to believe that, while we are all gifted with comfort ranges, that breath control and technique are what open the doors, and that most voices have an extra octave (at least) of unexplored territory and defies the typical classical stratification of vocal ranges.