Yep, 10k oil changes suck, but there is NO WAY you'll get that level of deposits... MAYBE if they are using dirt cheap 30wt non detergent lawnmower oil, but that looks more like someone was ripped off for services not performed and had a couple 20k+ changes due to a shop lying.
I think you are right. 10,000 mi (16,000 km), is a long interval, especially on cheap oil, but this is a helluva bigger interval than that! That’s why, if you have the oil changed, check the dipstick immediately after. It will be easy to tell if the oil was actually changed or not! Also look at the oil filter. If they use the same brand, but a mark on the old one, or ask to have the old one shown to you.
@@lukek1949when I was a mechanic 30 years ago I worked at a VW Audi dealership for some time, and Landrover Jaguar later on. Almost all european cars had 15kkm (10kmi) intervals back then and they often have 30kkm (20kmi) intervals these days. The engines were and are spotless unless something was broken, such as a head gasket leaking combustion gas into the crank case. This is a petrol engine, the oil should be dark brown, not black after 10kmi. There really are only two ways an engine can look like that: either a) a piston ring, head gasket turbo charger or similar is broken or b) the oil was never changed for at least 50kmi. Tho I wonder how in the later case the oil filter isn't completely filled with crap and still allows oil through.
@@elcano9l52 listen again, they have the carfax report showing the oil was changed every 10,000 miles all they say is they don't know which place did it.
I've been a tech 50 years and remote starting, idling in traffic, and other slow driving uses can look like this in 75k miles on honda, toyota, and others seemingly at low risk of sludge.
I was given 2 free oil changes from the dealership when I bought a brand new vehicle. I brought it in at the 3k mile mark as they advised and handed my keys to the mechanic and he said have a seat in waiting rm it will be around 30 minutes. As im sitting there I look into the service area and theres a break room table there and i can see in the mirror...he is eating a sandwich and flipping through a newspaper. After 25 minutes of this he gets up..puts his sandwich wrapper in the trash can..wipes his mouth and comes out to the service counter and says.. Ok shes all done. I asked him...who did the oil change and he says...I did. I called the manager and he said that he will talk to the mechanic and investigate then give me a call. NEVER got a call back and went i showed up at the dealership they said both of them were on 3 week vacation. As i left the building i looked over at the service area and.....that mirror was removed. I change my own oil now.
Crooks. Whenever i have my services done on any of my vehicles, about halfway through their estimated time frame I'll ask them to let me "get something" from my car or truck. The reason I do this should be kind of obvious at this point. Luckily, i never get any resistance, and the shop area of one of my dealerships is highly visible to customers so i can immediately verify that someone is actually doing the work.
Well first I want to apologize for my ignorance because I thought the oil was being change every night since it’s looks so oily. Can you explain how oil changes are on a vehicle and how what’s in the video supposed to look like?
@@davidponce6132 oil changes are recommended to be changed every 6 months or every 5000km or 3000 miles. In this video, this doesn't seem like the oil is even ever changed.
It looks like 10k. 5k is the recommended, 3k if you have vvt gasoline, because fouling the vvt filter or solenoid will destroy your engine really quickly
The “dealership” oil changes have not been happening then.. this is not normal and it’s very apparent that at 86k if this is what your car looks like… you need a new mechanic. And a lawyer.
I have a service business with 4 trucks and every one of them use synthetic oil with 10,000 miles between oil changes. In 20 years of my business they have NEVER had an issue with the engine
Thats what ive done w my lightning. Change the oil filter, every 3-5k. Correction. I used to aggressively drive him, still kinda low miles. Past few years i maybe had to change the oil on a yearly basis. 500 miles/yr tops. My beater car also.
@@iangreen180 they're probably saying that with conventional, they would never go that far without oil changes but because synthetic is better, ppl stretch the oil changes and end up with sludge everywhere
@iangreen180 Both oils will eventually do that if not changed, however full synthetic oil has more chemical properties which allow it to last much longer then regular oil as well as lube and protect components. It's worth paying more to get more and protecting your investment.
I've been trying to learn cars my whole life, glad you're saying this with a lot of Likes...was my understanding synthetic, if anything, would prevent, not cause, something like this.
@@PaPaWizdomyeh this video is complete BS that engine has had very few to no oil changes and as you've said synthetic oils are far superior to mineral oils 3k mile oil changes are a thing of the past here in Europe 10-20k mile oil changes have been standard for years
@@konradbrochocki4923 not really! The synthetic oils can go that long and we have been using them for quite a long time and our vehicles have never looked like this! Just had a similar job done on my suv and it wasn’t anything like this! Def more to this story, like faked records and no changes done, ever!
@@theshadowbehindyou9631 It's exactly what I'd expect from some dealers or quick-lubes doing the oil changes. Because many of those places will use the absolute lowest tier oils on the market, sold as if they're top-shelf full-synthetic.
I have 100k on my car. Bought it brand new and got the oil changed every 10k by the dealer. After the last oil change, I used a borescope to do a visual inspection of the cams. It looked pristine. Just a nice healthy coating of thin oil film and clearly identifiable silver metal. No sludge whatsoever. That SUV never had the oil changed. He was getting scammed by whatever shop was pretending to do his service.
I'm getting close to 10k on my Lexus and the oil on the stick is hardly dark. The only way that's 10k and looking like that is if they were using the cheapest oil
You also need to factor in climate and driving habits. If you ask any real mechanic/technician, because I’m one, they’ll never recommend 10k intervals. On my personal cars 5k or 6 months max, whatever comes first.
@@davidhenningson4782 Yes they can but...a mechanic recommending 5000k changes when the manufacturer says 10,000k is a smart mechanic. That's a mechanic that knows 10,000ks is WAY past an oil's lifespan of heat cycles and ability to lubricate. Whether synthetic or real "dino" oil, it has a lifespan. It breaks down over time and that time is long before 10,000ks. That's a mechanic that's recommending a very inexpensive way of keeping their customer's vehicle operating efficiently and preventing very expensive damage.
You got it. I'm 76 years old and still crawl under my wifes CRV and my Silverado to do oil changes. Only way I can feel confident it was done correctly or done at all. I also do my John Deere 500 series lawn tractor and my Harley. Full synthetic in everything and the valvetrains are slick as glass. I bought a new Mustang GT 5.0 liter in 1986 and gave it to my son after I had my fun with it. Put in nothing but synthetic after initial break-in and he continued the practice. He recently pulled the valve cover and oil pan gaskets for replacement and at almost 40 years old and 70,000 miles the motor was spotless. If you want it done and done right and you have the time and know how.....do it yourself.
I font trust dealerships for oil change, I use an independent garage I trust, I take my car a day before, drain the old oil overnight to drain maximum if not all, put new oil in, in the morning with new filters etc, car drives like brand new 😊
I've seen at least one major oil brand say that they don't recommend turbo charged cars to go that long. They usually point to manufacturer recommendations first or less than 7k ish miles.
Yes but I think what they're trying to say is that even if you did 10,000 mi oil changes it would not look anywhere near that bad Yes the oil would be dark and you could have where happening but to see an accumulation like that I venture to say there's probably depending on driving habits and style I at least know with my driving habits that's got to be every bit of 30,000 miles on that oil
7k is a lot different then 10k. Still too much for me, but hey it’s a ford, those things I’ve learned if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. So it’s working for ya, right on keep at it
That is 100% not the condition of engine oil at a 10k mile interval service that is being done regularly. That oil has not been changed for much longer.
@c0348whnI don’t know what sort of oil you use in the US, I only have an oil change every 10,000 miles or a year here in the UK. This is the specified interval for most cars in the UK. I have had cars that I did 30k+ miles a year in and they were still going strong at well over 250,000 miles.
They stated they have the car fax report that the oil was changed. The question is whether the company(s) actually did what they were supposed to do. This is why you learn to change your own oil if nothing else.
@@Methodical2I took my Kia soul to a valvoline quik lube place for an oil change and one of the kid techs put in the wrong oil filter. Technically they did the change! Just wrong! 😂
I’ve seen plenty of vehicles with 10k oil changes and thats not one of them. Thats more like 30k. 10k and the oil is just super dark with minor sludge. That oil is carboned up.
That's a turbo engine and they probably used conventional oil in it to be honest! That's what happens in those turbo engines when they use the wrong oil and usually the wrong oil weight too.
I have seen quite a few gm 3.6L engines like this. Mainly in the GMC Acadia suv. 2008 ish model years called for conventional oil. Customers told to change oil by the oil life monitor, 6000-8000 miles. Same yr, same engine in a Cad CTS called for synthetic. Almost never had that issue in the Cadillac
@kevinkalivoda3442 oil brand matters. Valvoline is the first manufacturer of vehicle oil from aviation. They are the only company that runs a new synthetic that can completely clean your engine with their additives. I'm not even sure it's available yet but it's 0 weight. It's still probably way too thin for VVT sensors and crank sensors. Some of that stuff throws codes. I had a jeep compass running thin synthetic oil and it starved the vvt sensor which threw off the timing in the crank and required a teardown.
They probably were using Quakerstate oil which has parrifin in it (or at least it did back in the day). I used to see this exact kind of sludge buildup but only with that particular oil.
For real man I straight up hate the dealer I caught them pretending to do a service on my new Tacoma those criminals. Petaluma Toyota in California are pretending to do services on vehicles.
@@mattjames5858 I had a Toyota van in for extended warranty service and they broke my instrument cluster bezel, my heat/air vents, and also my radio stopped working. They claimed that it was like that. They did fix everything except the AC vent which they insisted was broken and I was tired of arguing with them.
the comments section got it right - the oil changes weren't done, just paid for. how do these guys not realize that 10K oil changes don't do this? pretty embarrassing lack of awareness
As someone who bought such a car, I agree no oil change was done. My car had redflags of neglect but the dealer I bought from had polished the car to pristine condition I was easily tricked. Looking back, I realized how the previous owner never took care of anything
@@Clay-iu2ht Hi, I don't know/understand. Are they saying they don't or do suggest using synthetic for longer intervals? I always thought conventional (pun) oil was always shorter intervals. 🙂
They have no clue what brand of oil, what type of oil, and don’t know who has been servicing it. Yet making assumptions it’s 10k intervals that did that 🤦♂️ I’d say someone has been falsely reporting the oil changes and it’s possible it’s hardly or even never been changed.
Scientific tests have shown good correct spec oil is not worth changing before 8000 miles there is no benefit 8 to 10000 is perfect or a year whatever comes first.
I was a dealer tech for ten years. Every single engine I have ever opened up that called for 7-10k intervals looked like this. Manufacturers stretch intervals to lower "cost of ownership" numbers. Never pass 5k intervals. Fafo.
they said the vehicle had 87000 miles and they changed their only every 10000 miles. Slug can happen when oil breaks down. this means this vehicle has had atleast 8 oil changes.
yea exactly, saying that the interval should be changed to 5K miles is crazy, its clearly not been changed every 10K miles, i promise you oil that is changed EVERY 10K miles will NOT look like that!!
@@alansimmons9744 not a chance was that oil changed every 10K miles, not a chance.. Either customer is talking BS or the dealer is charging and NOT changing...
Owned a 2004 Toyota Camry with nearly 400,00 miles. Changed the oil every 9-10k. Used either Mobil1, Castrol or AMSoil full synthetic. After 15 years the car's interior began to dry rot; no problems with the engine. THIS is maintenance neglect NOT a lack of oil changes.
Right, I had two 74' pontiac Grand Prix SJ 455s, in the good old days, always used Mobile1, changed the oil when needed. Always never anything but a great running great ride on Wide Ovals! The memories keep me spoiled from what folks settle for since then.
Yes, I use Amsoil too and always run their Engine and Transmission Flush in the old oil just before drain and change. Doing this cleans the slots in the pistons where the rings ride and move during piston movement and it cleans the very small area between the crankshaft and the connecting rod bearings.
Years ago when coupon books were popular I had a coupon for a free oil change and inspection at a local business. It was going to be a couple hours so I dropped the car off to go do some shopping in the area. I had a feeling something wasn't right so I put an uncrushed pop can under my tire which would let me know if the car was moved. A couple hours later I came back and noticed the can was still there uncrushed. I went inside and the guy at the counter handed me a clip board with everything "checked and inspected" and the oil change was "completed". I told them thank you and left. I never went to that business again. They have been out of business for quite a while now. I didn't tell him about the can because I didn't want him to be wise about that trick.
I was a dealer tech for ten years. Every single engine I have ever opened up that called for 7-10k intervals looked like this. Manufacturers stretch intervals to lower "cost of ownership" numbers. Never pass 5k intervals. Fafo.
@@kloc4995 That's interesting. I'm really interested to know if any of those engines were running full synthetic oil with long-life filters - versus conventional oil and filters.
Or just change your own oil lol. Can do it in an auto parts store parking lot even lol. It’s not very hard to change oil, but people are lazy.. and thus this is what happens. I currently have two Toyotas, a Ram and a BMW and always change my own oil. Not hard and it’s like a 30 minute job and much of that time is just chilling while the oil drains out lol. Takes longer to get my tools out and get the vehicle on ramps, than to actually change the oil. Don’t be lazy, folks!
Absolutely. I took Tahoe to a big dealer in Florida for a “one hour” oil change. Short story it became a f&@king nightmare! They’re simply criminal enterprises preying on the clueless people when Nothing about cars! Disgusting.
I was a dealer tech for ten years. Every single engine I have ever opened up that called for 7-10k intervals looked like this. Manufacturers stretch intervals to lower "cost of ownership" numbers. Never pass 5k intervals. Fafo.
@@kloc4995 I'm a tech too. Is there any way to confirm that the engine oil those customers used was always the "Advanced" Full Synthetic 20,000 mile oil used with the complimenting 20,000 mile oil filter? Because that's the only way you can push oil changes to 10,000 miles. Regular full synthetic is only rated at 10,000 mi, so the oil change intervals should be 5,000 miles for that oil & filter.
I think it’s a combo of getting fleeced, and what happens when you believe that garbage they are telling you at every 10k, 0W oil teeny tiny passages and a high heat turbo motor all seam like a recipe for this.
And the vast majority of people that buy Land Rovers are wealthy because Land Rovers are expensive and they are not concerned about maintaining a vehicle because they have so much money they just go buy a new vehicle when it breaks down
Yep, what I was thinking. The comments say it all, why would there be all that sludge from too MANY oil changes makes 0 sense. Can't believe they're mechanics.
@@Goriaas Project Farm did a good study on this That aside, 5-8k miles is honestly too frequently for oil in the modern era. Top it off from time to time(ya really should check it regularly anyway) then change it and the filter(some dealerships, like Honda, don't do that apparently) when it's too dark. The main thing is go for a decent brand, because the filter's going to hide a lot of the actual damage being done, damage that no amount of changing frequency will matter for.
@@InfernosReaper nissan recommends every 20k km (which is about 13k mi) for my car and it has been done like that from the previous owners. still works well and has no sludge after 170k km what did the study actually recommend? now i m curious
I came here to say this. It looks good for the video I suppose, but if you actually change the oil every 10k miles it would never look like this. Also, what's their beef with Synthetic oil?
I recently bought a truck with just over 10,000 miles. The report showed that the oil was changed around 5,000 by the previous owner. The dealer claimed they just changed the oil before listing it for sale at 10,000 miles (even reported to carfax as changed), but the filter was dirty like it had been on there a while. Pulled the dipstick, and the oil was a darker brown like you would expect after about 5,000 miles, not golden clear of fresh oil. Talked to the service manager, and he claimed the filter was dirty from the engine bay detailing, all the dirty water washed down on to the filter. I let him save face with that excuse and the promise they would change it again. Well, when i got the truck, guess what? It still had the same dirty filter, and the oil was the same color. I do all my own work, so it's done right. Never thought i would have to do my own work just to make sure it was actually done!!!!!!
Why would you buy a truck from a dealer that lies about servicing the truck, even AFTER you've called them out on it? How do you know anything about that truck is as they said? I'd have walked away. Fast.
480k on my Cummins with 10-15k mi oil changes. Still clean under the valve cover. You guys should be embarrassed to blame that on 10k mi oil change intervals. You guys are the reason why mechanic shops have a bad reputation. You guys think everybody is stupid.
Yeah, they're talking out their butts. I've never seen anything that bad. I had a car that went 30,000 miles between changes, I opened it up at 120,000 miles and it was clean as a whistle, not one carbonized deposit, everything was still in spec. And I ran it hard. Mobil One. Maybe this range Rover only got driven a mile or two at a time and didn't get hot. That's my guess.
its wild that some dealership would simply not do the requested work (which honestly dont take long) and rather gamble that someone wouldnt be sueing them
Yep, customer lied! I did 10k mile oil change on my 2013 Corolla, my 2016 RAV4, and now my 2022 Prius L Eco. When you follow the schedule and use the correct oil (full synthetic low viscosity oil) you will never have this kind of build up! Either the dealer used conventional or they didn’t change the oil.
I have a 2015 3cyl fiesta and did 10-20k oil changes and just took the valve cover off at 400k and it’s beautiful with very little wear on my cam profiles and no sludge whatsoever. I believe a lot of the issue is massive idling times and short trips with no warmup.
Driving habits have a lot to do with it, too. If it takes you 2 years to put 10,000 miles on a car, it’s from short trips, stop and go traffic, etc. The engine will rarely get up to operating temps for any significant period of time, and cannot evaporate condensation and fuel dilution. It is also considered to be extreme conditions by all manufacturers, meaning the time between oil changes should also determine intervals, not just mileage.
If the temp gauge ain’t in the middle the engine ain’t warmed up enough which means you risk condensation inside the engine which leads to build up of carbon dirt and nasty oil. Also the cat won’t ever get warm enough to work properly and don’t forget transmission temp as well. You need to drive the car more than 5 minutes and most people only drive for 5 minutes to work. A fully warmed up car works at its best then when it’s cold.
That car hasn’t had 10000 mile oil services…. 10,000 is fine but the key is you actually need to change the oil rather than just stamping the book and charging the customer.
@@plowe6751 Besides of very rare situations where they actually don't have a dipsticks, oil in diesel engines turn dark after fiew kilometers. You cannot tell if oil is fresh.
That’s definitely not 10,000 mile oil changes, but I do agree that 10,000 is a bit too much, probably 7,000 at most depending on the car, I do my 2012 Outback every 6,000 km (bit less than 4,000 miles)
Here in the UK we are 18000 mile oil change intervals and don't see concerns like this, i think this vehicle has covered far more miles than stated between oil changes.
Oil in US is not the same. Neither is fuel. I worked corporate for a Euro mfr and HQ was always surprised at oil related issues (like stuck rings) that US division had with 10k interval that Europe saw near zero of with 12k and 15k intervals. I am talking miles, not km
@@ouroesa. Yes. And way slower to burn and turn to hard varnish. If I had a bearing that was only getting a tenth of the oil flow that it was supposed to get, I would want the oil to be a synthetic. I might have such a situation and not know it. I don't want a failure from such a situation.
This is disgraceful. The dealership or whoever claimed to have been doing the oil changes was ripping off the owner of this vehicle. It seems to be obvious to everyone except the mechanics in this video that the oil changes weren't done at all. 🙄
Yep…I don’t believe him either, which makes me want to put these guys in the same list as the shop or mechanic that was “doing the oil changes “ for this car. 🤔
I'm wondering about that comment as well....is it possible that he was inferring that they must've been using synthetic because if they had been using conventional ,it wouldn't have made it that long?.idk
Lots of comments here about 'that's never been changed' i can assure you it has. Friend of mine is a professional independent car mechanic (unit next to mine, i do bikes) and he had a Dacia owned by an old boy come in making a ticking noise in the head. It had 35,000 miles on it, in that time he had never taken it for a service or visited a dealership. The motor was written off, pulling the rocker cover off left a perfectly molded solid mass cast of the space inside the rocker box. Oil does not last 35000 miles, let alone 87000 miles. Repeated 10,000 mile oil changes would absolutely cause a build up like this based on that.
I agree with everyone else: I've been changing every 10k on a variety of different vehicle with synthetics for several decades. None of my engines ever looked like that.
Don’t assume that every engine can handle a 10k oil change interval. Some engines, by their design, are “dirtier” than others. For example, small 4 cylinder turbo charged, direct injection motors tend be “dirtier” than large, naturally aspirated motors.
@@logancudd7030you have a good point. Back in the 1980s my partner bought a 1969 340 Dodge Dart GTS all original was only 40,000 MI from an old lady like that who only drove it a couple blocks within the neighborhood. I had an identical 69 340 Dodge Dart Swinger with almost 140,000 Mi on it, also all original never been apart. We raced each other, and for several weeks I would blow the 40,000-mile GTS away, it was so sludged up and would blow smoke at full throttle. After several oil changes and getting on it everywhere we went, the thing finally cleaned up and cleared out and was pretty close to the same as my car. I sure wish I still had both of those
@@2steaksandwiches665 I often go to the local Valvoline place as well. They get very busy sometimes, but if I see they have less than 4 cars in line in front of me I will wait it out. Once you get in there, the oil change on my car takes 19 minutes or less and I am on my way. I have a 15% off coupon that expires tomorrow, and with the coupon they are slightly cheaper than my go to mechanic shop and less time involved.
@@GMC.Sonoma.4.3 I only have them do my oil change, so the filter and the oil. But it’s worth it because I’m particular on the oil. The manager recommended it to me because he goes. We’re never gonna have that in stock.
I have a 2011 VW Jetta TDI and still going strong at 290K Miles. Oil interval every 10K miles with Long life full synthetic 507.00 spec oil. Was the car in the video a diesel or gasser?
I'm sorry, but that isn't a car with 87k miles with oil changes every 10k. Going 5k is ridiculous and scaremongering. There is something wrong with that engine, likely didn't have oil changes.
Oil changes not to long ago were done, at the most 6000 miles. Actually these long intervals between changes is new. One of the most common issues with engines today is oil breaking down before the mileage is reached for an oil change.
What are you talking about?! 5k is pretty normal. 10K is beyond the effective life of most regular oil filters. Ridiculous and Scaremongering, err no, perhaps you're justifying why you aren't changing your oil on the right interval?
Whatever dealer they've been going to needs investigating immediately because that engine has clearly not had an oil change since it was new!!! SCAM DEALERSHIP! Name and SHAME...
Just because the last oil change guys told Car Fax they changed the oil, does not mean they changed the oil. NO WAY that is 10k interval. Looks more like 80k interval.
That dealership is basically trying to destroy that Land Rover so the customer can buy a new Rover so the dealership can stay in business. No way that oil has been changed even at 10,000 miles. That's only 8 visits.
Who can afford a new car every 2-3 years. Worst business model ever, won't work. This isn't a scummy business technique, it's just lazy mechanics or a customer who has not been servicing their car
I work at a JLR specialist and never come across this with regularly serviced cars, that's either not been serviced for a long long time or it's got the wrong oil in it.
I agree with the comments section. That's a "synthetic never breaks down so charge the customer but don't change the oil" oil change. I change my own oil and I still do it every 3k even though I know its no longer necessary because I have been scammed so many times by dealerships its maddening. Like how are they not being arrested. Everytime I have taken a vehicle in for any kind of major service every mechanic has always pulled me aside and asked me why my engine is so clean. I change the oil every 3-4k and I use those STP octane boosters, not for the horsepower but the cleaning effect they have.
I use Amsoil in all my engines. Signature series for my vehicles. I change the filter at 15,000 I drive another 10,000 and change both filter and oil. Yeah I is. 110 bucks but the quality is there and it is once a year. Plenty of quality motor oils out there don’t get me wrong. Filter changes are a must.I drive a 07 Buick lacrosse and have been doing this 9 years now with no engine issues. Don’t be a cheap ass when it comes to oil and filter,it will bite you in the long run.
Some cars are more prone to sludge and oil build up than others like this one, Yeah I’m sure that car went passed 10k without service. That doesn’t mean there not real mechanics, and definitely shouldn’t be insulated for trying to spread awareness to everyone & be helpful. The message was don’t wait 10k for oil service or this could be you, they got there point across.
I was a dealer tech for ten years. Every single engine I have ever opened up that called for 7-10k intervals looked like this. Manufacturers stretch intervals to lower "cost of ownership" numbers. Never pass 5k intervals. Fafo.
About 20 years ago my brother bought his father-in-law’s Toyota Land Cruiser off him because it had been religiously serviced every 10,000 kilometres by the local Toyota dealership that he’d bought it from brand new. They charged premium rates because they used only genuine Toyota parts. My brother bought it with just over 100,000 kilometres on it. After buying it he took it to his mechanic because of an odd noise coming from the engine. It turned out the dealership had never done anything to it. No oil changes, no replacement parts, engine full of sludge, not even spark plugs replaced. (He never told his father-in-law. The shock would have worsened his last weeks of life; he had terminal cancer. Hence no legal action was taken.) Never, ever trust a dealer.
My uncle told me this. A friend of his bought a "little old ladies car". It was very clean, 11,000 miles, 15 years old. She only drove it two miles to the store once a week. and every so often to get her hair styled. It never got fully warmed up. She was selling it to buy a smaller car easier to park. She told him it was due for oil change at 12000 miles. She told the guy to just drive through town and come right back. The car ran great. He bought it. When he drove it home, it would not go faster than 40. At home he checked the oil, it was full, but it was black. He forgot to check it, he was so excited to see how clean it was. He removed the drain plug but nothing came out. He knew it was full, so he poked the drain hole with a screwdriver and the oil came out, but slow. He removed the valve cover and it was really sludged up. He called a trusted mechanic and asked what to do. The old mechanic said, "Put the valve cover back on, install the drain plug. Fill it to the hole with kerosene. Remove spark plugs and give generous amount of STP gas treatment to each cylinder. Let it sit for a whole week. Drain the kerosene. Fill with one quart transmission fluid one pint Marvel mystery oil, and top it off with regular oil Add another pint to the gas tank. Remove spark plugs and crank engine to spit out the STP. Install new spark plugs and start it. Drive it 500 miles, change oil and repeat. But this time drive 1000 miles before changing oil. The car should be running better. Then Change oil and drive 3000 miles. Remove valve cover and see what happened. The guy was stunned. With each oil change the engine ran better until it could cruise at 65 with no trouble. Inside the valve cover it was clean as could be.
This is silly. That motor is not representative of most Euro cars that specify 10k mi oil intervals. I've put HUNDREDS of thousands of miles on multiple cars (Audi, BMW, Mercedes) and NONE of them have had a single oil related issue.
I really don't get it. I have a 2008 Sprinter van as the workhorse for my workshop. It is totally original. No EGR delete, no DPF delete. I change the oil according to the built in dynamic service indicator. The interval is always somewhere around 25,000-30,000 kilometers. The Sprinter has about 450,000km on the odometer now and the engine is absolutely clean inside. No sludge whatsoever. What am I doing wrong?
@@X85283 it is also used as a Diesel should be used. I very rarely drive less than 20 miles in one go. I recently repaired a leaking valve cover gasket on an Audi A6 with more than 500,000 km. When I removed the intake piping and manifold, it was, of course, coated with some black goo; but no hard crusts or chunks at all. I really don't like all that emissions crap; please don't get me wrong; but if you use your vehicle like you're supposed to use it (a big diesel engine is DEFINITELY not made for short distance city driving!!), it will last a long time.
I've done synthetic oil changes on the wife's car every time. She did let it go for 14,000 miles without letting me know it needs oil, but her engine was NOT like that at all. I normally do oil changes every 3k-5k miles on all cars.
Or the customer lied and has never changed the oil. “Oh I’ve done it every 9-10k” with no paper trail doesn’t sound like someone who is very diligent about taking care of their car.
NO. MOST MODERN OILS ARE GOOD ENOUGH..THIS IS FROM OIL BREAKING DOWN DUE TO WAY TOO LONG OIL CHANGE INTERVALS..(DIRECT INJECTION WITHOUT PORT FUEL INJECTION) FUEL DILUTION, OXIDATION, ETC.. NO MATTER WHAT OIL YOU PUT IN IT, ITS NOT GOING TO LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT EVEN IF YOUR USING THE BEST OIL FOR THE SPECIFIC ENGINE..OIL CHANGE INTERVALS ARE THE PRIMARY CULPRIT !!!! 5000 MILES FOR N/A ENGINES AND BOOSTED APPLICATIONS NEED IT SOONER THAN 5K PREFERABLY!!
Not really the oil. Filtration is what is junk on automobiles. Most oils are decent enough quality they can go 10k, it's the filtration that gets you in the end. That said, this vehicle has been severely neglected. This oil as never been changed likely.
Dealers don't always use their own product. I found this out when I was looking for power steering ATF fluids for my Toyota. The parts guy said they just buy stuff from the local parts store. The Care Care Nut mentioned this in one of his videos and that confirmed it.
@@X85283 I know Toyota doesn't make their own ATF; none of them do. What I'm saying is they don't always use the Toyota branded stuff. They use what they can get.
@@Methodical2 Sure but there is nothing wrong with that assuming they are buying something that meets the API (or whatever) spec set by Toyota, which is pretty easy to do.
@@X85283 Yeah, but you notice Toyota products, including ATF, oil etc always says on the packaging, in this case ATF, that the product was made specifically for/to Toyota specifications as if theirs something magical in the bottle only for their vehicles, yet they will use what they can get on the shelf of a parts store.
@@Methodical2 So? It is still the spec that matters, not the marketing line they put on the sticker that goes on a jug of off the shelf fluid that meets the spec. If a Toyota really needed something special, they would define a new API specification for it. This has been done many many times before by car manufacturers (coolant and ATF types especially).
Mechanics do this now cause they lose a lot of money thanks to modern synthetics mine tried to get me to do one every 3k 😂 I got a slow leak all I gotta do is change the filter and add a quart once a year 01’ mustang v6
@@lonniebeal6032what the hell are you even saying ? It’s supposed to have a particular viscosity . It’s not a one size fits all kind of thing dude . “ conventional “ my arse . Have you seen the recycled sludge they call oil & pass off as the word “ conventional “ ? Have you ever looked at it ? It’s repulsive .
Oh; HUGE DIFFERENCE! Conventional oil is pretty much fossil fuel. When you bake conventional oil at high enough temperature temperatures for a prolonged amount of time it will sludge; Causing plaque on engine components; where on the other hand? Synthetic oil is made out of pure natural gas. Hence, the huge price difference. Synthetic oil does not sludge or cause plaque buildup, On the contrary, synthetic oil has a powerful cleaning agent as well as superior protection against friction…. Think of it as enzymes inside oil…. It’s that good. That’s why a lot of engine manufacturers Require (not recommend) The use of synthetic oils.
As a matter in fact; Synthetic oil is so good, that if you were to use it on a classic car (of course, using the correct oil weight); it has been known to cause all kinds of engine oil leaks seeping through every single gasket of the engine 😅 simply because the synthetic oil will immediately begin to break up all the engine gunk inside of the motor and gaskets…. So of course, you have to replace the oil pan, gaskets and head, gaskets and valve cover gaskets in order to give a new life to the car engine. It’s crazy.
Brian Murphy of Chicago went over a million miles in a 2007 Nissan Frontier changing the oil every 10,000 miles. It's documented on the TFL channel on UA-cam. I personally don't wait 10,000 miles to change mine, but just saying - the man went 10,000 miles between oil changes and the truck lasted over a million miles.
The service intervals on a lot of modern cars says 24k. I personally wouldnt feel comfortable waiting that long. But im not going to argue with engineers who designed the engines and oils
@@weirdyoda04 that doesn’t pass the logic test. Viscosity , and contamination at 50 % of original is half as good as new. Full stop. Can’t explain that away.
TLDR; Use the best oil that you can afford, and a Top-Tier fuel whenever possible. I have always used 5,000 mile drain intervals on my 2015 Buick Regal Turbo. 109,000 on it now, using 0w40 Motul 300v. I track the car a few times a year, and she still is in spec for a new LTG for oil pressure and often gets fantastic fuel milage in the 28-32 mpg range. The trick for these modern turbocharged GDI engines is an ester based oil, or if you can't afford that, a PAO based oil, and a Top Tier fuel. Lake Speed Jr has some vids out there if you want to dive down the rabbit hole like i did
Yea I do 5k changes on my 2023 civic type r as well. But I'll be honest, this looks like the oil has never been changed in that thing. Either they are lying, or the dealership was lying to them and not changing the oil when brought in for service. After seeing that, I'm selling the car asap.
They don't actually make that much money off of the oil changes, it's more about finding other issues in your car, of which you have the decision to get it repaired or not. If you go to a good shop, you won't have any problems. You should get your oil changed while it still looks and acts brand new which is 3000-5000 miles.
as others point out, thats never oil changed for 87 thousand miles, but not just that, the oil never got changed after break-in either, and on top of that, this looks like the owner(s) have not treated the engine as they should, probably revving it ice cold, then overheated, and likely have thrown in additives. which is not necessarily a bad thing if you rightfully so would trust the mechanics have changed the oil, but actually haven't and that makes it worse. 10k mile oil change is fine. hell, if you treat your car properly with mostly highway miles, slow heat up, and treat it like a 'breakable' item, you can go 15k miles without oil change. but not in a landrover though.
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They charged the owner and never did the oil change.
That happens more than people know.
Yep, 10k oil changes suck, but there is NO WAY you'll get that level of deposits...
MAYBE if they are using dirt cheap 30wt non detergent lawnmower oil, but that looks more like someone was ripped off for services not performed and had a couple 20k+ changes due to a shop lying.
Another reason to want your internal combustion engine to have a dipstick.
I think you are right. 10,000 mi (16,000 km), is a long interval, especially on cheap oil, but this is a helluva bigger interval than that! That’s why, if you have the oil changed, check the dipstick immediately after. It will be easy to tell if the oil was actually changed or not! Also look at the oil filter. If they use the same brand, but a mark on the old one, or ask to have the old one shown to you.
@@lukek1949when I was a mechanic 30 years ago I worked at a VW Audi dealership for some time, and Landrover Jaguar later on. Almost all european cars had 15kkm (10kmi) intervals back then and they often have 30kkm (20kmi) intervals these days. The engines were and are spotless unless something was broken, such as a head gasket leaking combustion gas into the crank case. This is a petrol engine, the oil should be dark brown, not black after 10kmi. There really are only two ways an engine can look like that: either a) a piston ring, head gasket turbo charger or similar is broken or b) the oil was never changed for at least 50kmi. Tho I wonder how in the later case the oil filter isn't completely filled with crap and still allows oil through.
Thats a 87k mile oil change, or a complete scam by the dealers.
It is. It just doesn’t make sense for the oil to buold up like that.
Not always. Possibly but also short cold runs does this too. In which case change oil more frequently but people don’t want to.
Total scam. They oil was changed once at most. 40k miles easy.
@@sammencia7945 I don't even think 40k could look that bad. That's insane, but it is a strong turbo engine though, so lots of heat.
@@Waikatotek no way 10k gets to be that sludgy even with short stop and go drives. It would ruin the turbo first
That’s not a 10,000 miles oil change, that is a never miles oil change…
Agreed!!!
If you listen they have the proof the oil was changed every 10k
@@elcano9l52 listen again, they have the carfax report showing the oil was changed every 10,000 miles all they say is they don't know which place did it.
I've been a tech 50 years and remote starting, idling in traffic, and other slow driving uses can look like this in 75k miles on honda, toyota, and others seemingly at low risk of sludge.
@@Yelladog78yeah never trust a dealership, I bet the dealership never changed the oil for all we know.
I was given 2 free oil changes from the dealership when I bought a brand new vehicle. I brought it in at the 3k mile mark as they advised and handed my keys to the mechanic and he said have a seat in waiting rm it will be around 30 minutes. As im sitting there I look into the service area and theres a break room table there and i can see in the mirror...he is eating a sandwich and flipping through a newspaper. After 25 minutes of this he gets up..puts his sandwich wrapper in the trash can..wipes his mouth and comes out to the service counter and says.. Ok shes all done. I asked him...who did the oil change and he says...I did. I called the manager and he said that he will talk to the mechanic and investigate then give me a call. NEVER got a call back and went i showed up at the dealership they said both of them were on 3 week vacation. As i left the building i looked over at the service area and.....that mirror was removed. I change my own oil now.
Every time I hear a story like this I trust people less. I haven't taken my cars to a mechanic for over 20 years. I do every single repair myself.
Crooks. Whenever i have my services done on any of my vehicles, about halfway through their estimated time frame I'll ask them to let me "get something" from my car or truck. The reason I do this should be kind of obvious at this point. Luckily, i never get any resistance, and the shop area of one of my dealerships is highly visible to customers so i can immediately verify that someone is actually doing the work.
Hope that lazy mechanic makes the same effort after he takes a crap😂
Wow. They sure got their panties in a twist, didn't they?
such a fucked up story. Im glad you caught that and now you do your own.
I call BS. That oil wasnt changed. Period.
Well first I want to apologize for my ignorance because I thought the oil was being change every night since it’s looks so oily. Can you explain how oil changes are on a vehicle and how what’s in the video supposed to look like?
@@davidponce6132 oil changes are recommended to be changed every 6 months or every 5000km or 3000 miles. In this video, this doesn't seem like the oil is even ever changed.
Synthetic does not create sludge.
All these short mechanical videos are like kicking particular brands it's just more dribble ..
3000 🛢👈🧠
It looks like 10k.
5k is the recommended, 3k if you have vvt gasoline, because fouling the vvt filter or solenoid will destroy your engine really quickly
That thing has never had an oil change I don't care what Carfax says.
yeah, I'm calling BS on this one, 10k wouldn't be that bad lol
Carfox?
@@jessashley Maybe the owner was scammed? never the shop changed the oil
@@DGQ1Q2that’s definitely a possibility
@@jessashley recycled oil, filter changed, toped off.
The “dealership” oil changes have not been happening then.. this is not normal and it’s very apparent that at 86k if this is what your car looks like… you need a new mechanic. And a lawyer.
My dad took his truck to the dealer, when he brought the truck back it still had the same dark oil and same Fram oil filter on it.
@@MS-ql8ek Translation= They did NOTHING at the dealership
@Trapster99 yup even with warranty, I hear from other master technician they tell me warranty is the worse, most fluid changes don't even happen
Lawyer will do no good
@@MS-ql8ek In what world does a warranty cover fluid changes?
I have a service business with 4 trucks and every one of them use synthetic oil with 10,000 miles between oil changes. In 20 years of my business they have NEVER had an issue with the engine
Thats what ive done w my lightning. Change the oil filter, every 3-5k. Correction. I used to aggressively drive him, still kinda low miles. Past few years i maybe had to change the oil on a yearly basis. 500 miles/yr tops. My beater car also.
Dealership service is a scam. Most customers would never know if the oil and/or filter was actually changed.
Why are they suggesting that synthetic oil will do that, and standard motor oil won't?
@@iangreen180 they're probably saying that with conventional, they would never go that far without oil changes but because synthetic is better, ppl stretch the oil changes and end up with sludge everywhere
@iangreen180 Both oils will eventually do that if not changed, however full synthetic oil has more chemical properties which allow it to last much longer then regular oil as well as lube and protect components. It's worth paying more to get more and protecting your investment.
Inconclusive judgment call.
There is NO WAY a full synthetic 10k mile life oil change was done on that engine.
Facst.. over 50k for sure
I've been trying to learn cars my whole life, glad you're saying this with a lot of Likes...was my understanding synthetic, if anything, would prevent, not cause, something like this.
@@PaPaWizdomyeh this video is complete BS that engine has had very few to no oil changes and as you've said synthetic oils are far superior to mineral oils 3k mile oil changes are a thing of the past here in Europe 10-20k mile oil changes have been standard for years
We never heard how many miles the car had on it tho either.
@@JFEnterprizeHe said in the video that there's "only 87,000 miles on the car" towards the end
There is literally no way this was changed every 10,000 miles. None.
It's fair. 10000 miles is too long to leave your oil without a change. I feel bad about if I change my cars' oil at 10000 kms nevermind miles.
@@konradbrochocki4923 10k is a lot but your oil wont be that bad even at that interval.. this is awful
@@xlxalmit depends also if you drive short ways or if you travel long ways
@@konradbrochocki4923 not really! The synthetic oils can go that long and we have been using them for quite a long time and our vehicles have never looked like this! Just had a similar job done on my suv and it wasn’t anything like this! Def more to this story, like faked records and no changes done, ever!
@@theshadowbehindyou9631 It's exactly what I'd expect from some dealers or quick-lubes doing the oil changes. Because many of those places will use the absolute lowest tier oils on the market, sold as if they're top-shelf full-synthetic.
I have 100k on my car. Bought it brand new and got the oil changed every 10k by the dealer. After the last oil change, I used a borescope to do a visual inspection of the cams. It looked pristine. Just a nice healthy coating of thin oil film and clearly identifiable silver metal. No sludge whatsoever.
That SUV never had the oil changed. He was getting scammed by whatever shop was pretending to do his service.
*probably a she. I refuse to believe a man who drives a car doesn't bother checking the dipstick once a while.
Same as the so-called "sunshine" treatment!!!
0% work,just $ 🤑!!!
I'm getting close to 10k on my Lexus and the oil on the stick is hardly dark. The only way that's 10k and looking like that is if they were using the cheapest oil
10k is completely fine. Short distance driving ONLY and never allowing the engine to warm up is 10x worse.
You also need to factor in climate and driving habits. If you ask any real mechanic/technician, because I’m one, they’ll never recommend 10k intervals. On my personal cars 5k or 6 months max, whatever comes first.
Charged the customer but never did the oil change.
Nasty nasty business
New title needed: *_"What 87,000 miles and no oil change will do to your engine"_*
Did you miss where he says they have a carfax report saying they've been doing oil changes every 9 to 10,000 miles?
@Jarod1941 "I 'prescribe' 5000 miles not 10,000 miles..." 😄😄😄 so he can charge double for 'no work.' Hilarious!! Mechanics can be proper thieves...
Yes, the dealership obviously didn't do any oil changed at all, but were happy to charge for it 😂
Or, why not to buy a land rover
@@davidhenningson4782 Yes they can but...a mechanic recommending 5000k changes when the manufacturer says 10,000k is a smart mechanic. That's a mechanic that knows 10,000ks is WAY past an oil's lifespan of heat cycles and ability to lubricate. Whether synthetic or real "dino" oil, it has a lifespan. It breaks down over time and that time is long before 10,000ks.
That's a mechanic that's recommending a very inexpensive way of keeping their customer's vehicle operating efficiently and preventing very expensive damage.
the only person i trust doing a oil change is me.
You got it. I'm 76 years old and still crawl under my wifes CRV and my Silverado to do oil changes. Only way I can feel confident it was done correctly or done at all. I also do my John Deere 500 series lawn tractor and my Harley. Full synthetic in everything and the valvetrains are slick as glass. I bought a new Mustang GT 5.0 liter in 1986 and gave it to my son after I had my fun with it. Put in nothing but synthetic after initial break-in and he continued the practice. He recently pulled the valve cover and oil pan gaskets for replacement and at almost 40 years old and 70,000 miles the motor was spotless. If you want it done and done right and you have the time and know how.....do it yourself.
Same. Save yourself a lot of money and KNOW the job is done right.
Exactly. After one time letting a flunky at Pep Boys change my oil and get it back seeing evidence of an impact gun removing my oil plug, never again.
@@1shagg420
That's really bad.
I font trust dealerships for oil change, I use an independent garage I trust, I take my car a day before, drain the old oil overnight to drain maximum if not all, put new oil in, in the morning with new filters etc, car drives like brand new 😊
That's horseshit. That engine was not maintained every 10k miles with any type of oil.
I've seen at least one major oil brand say that they don't recommend turbo charged cars to go that long. They usually point to manufacturer recommendations first or less than 7k ish miles.
That's what I thought and I u that other oil and go 6 to 7, which is what the dealership said if using that other oil, I cant spell it
Yes but I think what they're trying to say is that even if you did 10,000 mi oil changes it would not look anywhere near that bad Yes the oil would be dark and you could have where happening but to see an accumulation like that I venture to say there's probably depending on driving habits and style I at least know with my driving habits that's got to be every bit of 30,000 miles on that oil
It actually looks like horseshit in the engine.
😂😂😂
I use synthetic oil, and change it every 7000 miles. 2000 F150
Has 226,000 miles on it, and it sounds great
Just got a new to me Chevy 2500hd with 6.0. scared to death of problems so changing oil every 3500 miles
That's the right balance - not too long , not too short either.
2019 Altima, i get a full synthetic oil change every 6,000 to 8,000 miles and im currently at 156,000 miles going strong
1994 dodge ram 360 magnum 124000 miles
I use synthetic mobile One every 5000 miles and still sounds bitchin.
7k is a lot different then 10k. Still too much for me, but hey it’s a ford, those things I’ve learned if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. So it’s working for ya, right on keep at it
That is 100% not the condition of engine oil at a 10k mile interval service that is being done regularly. That oil has not been changed for much longer.
That, or it could be conventional oil or frequent short trips without ever reaching operational temperature.
@c0348whnI don’t know what sort of oil you use in the US, I only have an oil change every 10,000 miles or a year here in the UK. This is the specified interval for most cars in the UK. I have had cars that I did 30k+ miles a year in and they were still going strong at well over 250,000 miles.
@c0348whn Not at all true.
U crazy lul@c0348whn
Shady dealer.
That's never been changed, probably just been topped off with oil
They stated they have the car fax report that the oil was changed. The question is whether the company(s) actually did what they were supposed to do. This is why you learn to change your own oil if nothing else.
@@Methodical2Then we can only conclude they're lying.
@@Methodical2 All that proves is that whichever dealership they took the car to for servicing is clearly lying and ripping off their customers..
@@Methodical2I took my Kia soul to a valvoline quik lube place for an oil change and one of the kid techs put in the wrong oil filter. Technically they did the change! Just wrong! 😂
@@kenmorrisproducer You are playing with fire. You better learn how to change your own oil...now.
I’ve seen plenty of vehicles with 10k oil changes and thats not one of them. Thats more like 30k. 10k and the oil is just super dark with minor sludge. That oil is carboned up.
That's a turbo engine and they probably used conventional oil in it to be honest! That's what happens in those turbo engines when they use the wrong oil and usually the wrong oil weight too.
Lots of idle time and probably ran it low on oil too
I have seen quite a few gm 3.6L engines like this. Mainly in the GMC Acadia suv. 2008 ish model years called for conventional oil. Customers told to change oil by the oil life monitor, 6000-8000 miles. Same yr, same engine in a Cad CTS called for synthetic. Almost never had that issue in the Cadillac
@kevinkalivoda3442 oil brand matters. Valvoline is the first manufacturer of vehicle oil from aviation. They are the only company that runs a new synthetic that can completely clean your engine with their additives. I'm not even sure it's available yet but it's 0 weight.
It's still probably way too thin for VVT sensors and crank sensors. Some of that stuff throws codes.
I had a jeep compass running thin synthetic oil and it starved the vvt sensor which threw off the timing in the crank and required a teardown.
@@djnone8137 what are you talking about?? Better do some research
I call BS on this. Synthetic oil every 10 miles wouldn't look like this.
They probably were using Quakerstate oil which has parrifin in it (or at least it did back in the day). I used to see this exact kind of sludge buildup but only with that particular oil.
Clearly a car that came with “free lifetime oil changes!” From the dealer
and this is the reason i change my oil every thousand miles
@@jameseverly8501why do you keep saying that?
@@hazardous2439SO YOU REMEMBER AND KNOW
@@jameseverly8501that's pretty extreme.
@@jameseverly8501 I'd be doing that every week and a half to two weeks lol
Dealer not doing what they are paid to do! Criminal
Thats why dealers are the last place you want to go to maintain or fix your car
Always
And typical. Better off doing it yourself.
For real man I straight up hate the dealer I caught them pretending to do a service on my new Tacoma those criminals. Petaluma Toyota in California are pretending to do services on vehicles.
@@mattjames5858 I had a Toyota van in for extended warranty service and they broke my instrument cluster bezel, my heat/air vents, and also my radio stopped working. They claimed that it was like that. They did fix everything except the AC vent which they insisted was broken and I was tired of arguing with them.
the comments section got it right - the oil changes weren't done, just paid for. how do these guys not realize that 10K oil changes don't do this? pretty embarrassing lack of awareness
As someone who bought such a car, I agree no oil change was done. My car had redflags of neglect but the dealer I bought from had polished the car to pristine condition I was easily tricked. Looking back, I realized how the previous owner never took care of anything
or they know exactly what they're doing: harnessing clicks :):)
And saying synthetic is worse than conventional...
@@Clay-iu2ht Hi, I don't know/understand. Are they saying they don't or do suggest using synthetic for longer intervals? I always thought conventional (pun) oil was always shorter intervals. 🙂
They have no clue what brand of oil, what type of oil, and don’t know who has been servicing it. Yet making assumptions it’s 10k intervals that did that 🤦♂️ I’d say someone has been falsely reporting the oil changes and it’s possible it’s hardly or even never been changed.
This is absolutely NOT 10k mile oil, as others have pointed out. The owner is clearly lying about the frequency of service.
That oil has not been changed every 10K or even 20K miles! 🤥
AMSOIL has motor oils that are good for up to 25K miles.
No oil can survive that long
@@otikokoso1956 Actually, there are synthetics that can. AMSOIL sells motor oils that are good for a whole year or 25K miles, whichever comes first.
Scientific tests have shown good correct spec oil is not worth changing before 8000 miles there is no benefit 8 to 10000 is perfect or a year whatever comes first.
I was a dealer tech for ten years. Every single engine I have ever opened up that called for 7-10k intervals looked like this. Manufacturers stretch intervals to lower "cost of ownership" numbers. Never pass 5k intervals. Fafo.
you guys should feel embarrassed that you actually think thats a 10k oil change.
they said the vehicle had 87000 miles and they changed their only every 10000 miles. Slug can happen when oil breaks down. this means this vehicle has had atleast 8 oil changes.
yea exactly, saying that the interval should be changed to 5K miles is crazy, its clearly not been changed every 10K miles, i promise you oil that is changed EVERY 10K miles will NOT look like that!!
@@alansimmons9744 not a chance was that oil changed every 10K miles, not a chance.. Either customer is talking BS or the dealer is charging and NOT changing...
The dealer may not have changed their oil. It looks like a 40k oil change
@@madmanmarcus100 more like every 60k 🤥
Owned a 2004 Toyota Camry with nearly 400,00 miles. Changed the oil every 9-10k. Used either Mobil1, Castrol or AMSoil full synthetic. After 15 years the car's interior began to dry rot; no problems with the engine. THIS is maintenance neglect NOT a lack of oil changes.
Right, I had two 74' pontiac Grand Prix SJ 455s, in the good old days, always used Mobile1, changed the oil when needed.
Always never anything but a great running great ride on Wide Ovals! The memories keep me spoiled from what folks settle for since then.
Great car ❤
Yes, I use Amsoil too and always run their Engine and Transmission Flush in the old oil just before drain and change. Doing this cleans the slots in the pistons where the rings ride and move during piston movement and it cleans the very small area between the crankshaft and the connecting rod bearings.
Years ago when coupon books were popular I had a coupon for a free oil change and inspection at a local business. It was going to be a couple hours so I dropped the car off to go do some shopping in the area. I had a feeling something wasn't right so I put an uncrushed pop can under my tire which would let me know if the car was moved. A couple hours later I came back and noticed the can was still there uncrushed. I went inside and the guy at the counter handed me a clip board with everything "checked and inspected" and the oil change was "completed". I told them thank you and left. I never went to that business again. They have been out of business for quite a while now. I didn't tell him about the can because I didn't want him to be wise about that trick.
Dealer is a stealer. They probably didn't even change it.
I’m convinced my VW dealer didn’t do a 10K oil change, one month later the oil was below the lowest limit on the dipstick.
That's what my Mini dealership says. Fvck that! Every 6k!
Glad I know how to do my own oil changes and just about everything else. Stealerships!
I was a dealer tech for ten years. Every single engine I have ever opened up that called for 7-10k intervals looked like this. Manufacturers stretch intervals to lower "cost of ownership" numbers. Never pass 5k intervals. Fafo.
@@kloc4995 That's interesting. I'm really interested to know if any of those engines were running full synthetic oil with long-life filters - versus conventional oil and filters.
No one's mentioning the fact that Land Rovers only go about 100k miles before they die or need massive repairs?
This is why
Earlier than that.
Land Rovers are really some of the worse vehicles on the road. Lower on the list even than Chevrolet which is also terrible
bollocks!!
ha, more like 10,000 miles!
10k mile oil changes for 250k miles in a diesel. Still clean, still runs great. That's an example of complete neglect.
and this is the reason i change my oil every thousand miles
@@jameseverly8501well that’s just wasteful, being nerdy about has always been every 4 from my understanding.
Big ass oil passages, and well the fuel also being oil helps.
@user-br1up5vw4h pretty sure he is joking
Every 5k miles on my 2007 honda civic, she just hit 80k miles and running great ❤️
that’s 40-50K without an oil change, I guarantee you…
These idiots are the reason you don't go to a dealership. You find a good personal mechanic. That has a good reputation
Or just change your own oil lol. Can do it in an auto parts store parking lot even lol. It’s not very hard to change oil, but people are lazy.. and thus this is what happens. I currently have two Toyotas, a Ram and a BMW and always change my own oil. Not hard and it’s like a 30 minute job and much of that time is just chilling while the oil drains out lol. Takes longer to get my tools out and get the vehicle on ramps, than to actually change the oil. Don’t be lazy, folks!
@@jimjohnson4072 That's great you do that yourself, but some of us are too busy, and you'd expect the service you pay for.
Guys in the video didn't do the oil changes. Owner had gone to the dealer.
@@westerlywinds5684 too busy ? Lousy excuse, it takes under an hour for an average person. It's ok if you're not comfortable doing it but don't BS..
Absolutely. I took Tahoe to a big dealer in Florida for a “one hour” oil change. Short story it became a f&@king nightmare! They’re simply criminal enterprises preying on the clueless people when
Nothing about cars! Disgusting.
I'd bet that has never had on oil change, not one.
Maybe one, early on.
Jo se nuk esht ndru por ka ber 25k milje
"Not once" (Walk Hard 😂)
I was a dealer tech for ten years. Every single engine I have ever opened up that called for 7-10k intervals looked like this. Manufacturers stretch intervals to lower "cost of ownership" numbers. Never pass 5k intervals. Fafo.
@@kloc4995 I'm a tech too. Is there any way to confirm that the engine oil those customers used was always the "Advanced" Full Synthetic 20,000 mile oil used with the complimenting 20,000 mile oil filter? Because that's the only way you can push oil changes to 10,000 miles.
Regular full synthetic is only rated at 10,000 mi, so the oil change intervals should be 5,000 miles for that oil & filter.
That's WAY more than a 10k OCI. That might be a "never changed the oil" OCI.
yeah, i think they've been getting screwed at the dealership
I think it’s a combo of getting fleeced, and what happens when you believe that garbage they are telling you at every 10k, 0W oil teeny tiny passages and a high heat turbo motor all seam like a recipe for this.
There is NO way that that car had oil changes every 10K miles. That is a car that has had almost NO oil changes. I don't believe this at all.
I identified the problem, it’s a LandRover
And the vast majority of people that buy Land Rovers are wealthy because Land Rovers are expensive and they are not concerned about maintaining a vehicle because they have so much money they just go buy a new vehicle when it breaks down
Fact!
Yep, what I was thinking. The comments say it all, why would there be all that sludge from too MANY oil changes makes 0 sense. Can't believe they're mechanics.
Beat me to it! LandRover, nuff said!
I owned a Land Rover and I was told to use AMSOIL which says it offers 25k protection or 1 year.
That is NOT a 10,000 mile oil change! That is a 100,000 mile oil change!
Yeah, even a 20k change doesn't look like that in a car running walmart oil.
This oil was never changed.
@@InfernosReaper Thanks for your input! We both know this is total nonsense.
Better Walmart oil every 5-8k miles than the premium stuff every 12-15k
@@Goriaas Project Farm did a good study on this
That aside, 5-8k miles is honestly too frequently for oil in the modern era. Top it off from time to time(ya really should check it regularly anyway) then change it and the filter(some dealerships, like Honda, don't do that apparently) when it's too dark.
The main thing is go for a decent brand, because the filter's going to hide a lot of the actual damage being done, damage that no amount of changing frequency will matter for.
@@InfernosReaper nissan recommends every 20k km (which is about 13k mi) for my car and it has been done like that from the previous owners. still works well and has no sludge after 170k km
what did the study actually recommend? now i m curious
Complete BS. That's NO oil change. You're mechanics, you should know better.
I came here to say this. It looks good for the video I suppose, but if you actually change the oil every 10k miles it would never look like this. Also, what's their beef with Synthetic oil?
It's a commercial to have your oil change sooner. I wouldn't trust these guys either.
Exactly
As a mechanic I can confirm I've seen similar issues with high interval oil changes. Especially on gasoline direct injection engines.
@@westerlywinds5684sure seems like it.
I recently bought a truck with just over 10,000 miles. The report showed that the oil was changed around 5,000 by the previous owner. The dealer claimed they just changed the oil before listing it for sale at 10,000 miles (even reported to carfax as changed), but the filter was dirty like it had been on there a while. Pulled the dipstick, and the oil was a darker brown like you would expect after about 5,000 miles, not golden clear of fresh oil. Talked to the service manager, and he claimed the filter was dirty from the engine bay detailing, all the dirty water washed down on to the filter. I let him save face with that excuse and the promise they would change it again. Well, when i got the truck, guess what? It still had the same dirty filter, and the oil was the same color. I do all my own work, so it's done right. Never thought i would have to do my own work just to make sure it was actually done!!!!!!
Why would you buy a truck from a dealer that lies about servicing the truck, even AFTER you've called them out on it? How do you know anything about that truck is as they said? I'd have walked away. Fast.
Nope. The dealership is crooked. It should't be that bad with 10,000 mile oil changes.
and this is the reason i change my oil every thousand miles
The owner has a pretty good lawsuit on their hands
@@jameseverly8501 amateur. I do mine every 100 miles.
If it had 10k changes it would be clean as a whistle, what the customer got was the no oil change service.
@@jameseverly8501you like pouring money down the drain….
480k on my Cummins with 10-15k mi oil changes. Still clean under the valve cover. You guys should be embarrassed to blame that on 10k mi oil change intervals. You guys are the reason why mechanic shops have a bad reputation. You guys think everybody is stupid.
Yeah, they're talking out their butts. I've never seen anything that bad. I had a car that went 30,000 miles between changes, I opened it up at 120,000 miles and it was clean as a whistle, not one carbonized deposit, everything was still in spec. And I ran it hard. Mobil One.
Maybe this range Rover only got driven a mile or two at a time and didn't get hot. That's my guess.
Agreed. Top-knot is the international symbol of the arse.
Maybe, but Range Rovers are terrible cars driven terribly by terrible people... mostly. You can't expect the engine to keep up with this crap.
or they used cheap shit oil??
Yes
The stealership probably wasn't changing it.😂
its wild that some dealership would simply not do the requested work (which honestly dont take long) and rather gamble that someone wouldnt be sueing them
if you think dealerships are bad call a plumber or your dentist if you really want to get f'ed
Yep, customer lied! I did 10k mile oil change on my 2013 Corolla, my 2016 RAV4, and now my 2022 Prius L Eco. When you follow the schedule and use the correct oil (full synthetic low viscosity oil) you will never have this kind of build up! Either the dealer used conventional or they didn’t change the oil.
I have 250,000 miles on my 2013 6cyl Ford Taurus. Did 10,000 mile (or better) oil changes the whole time. Engine still going strong!
I think a lot of people lie. They say 10k because it's high but sounds reasonable. Probably AT LEAST 20k on it.
I just passed 300,000 miles on my 20000 Toyota Echo. Regularly maintained, and it still runs great.
@@Durwood7120,000 Toyota. Bro you from the future??
@@davidvega3375 Yes. It's great here. We have flying cars.
I have a 2015 3cyl fiesta and did 10-20k oil changes and just took the valve cover off at 400k and it’s beautiful with very little wear on my cam profiles and no sludge whatsoever. I believe a lot of the issue is massive idling times and short trips with no warmup.
Driving habits have a lot to do with it, too.
If it takes you 2 years to put 10,000 miles on a car, it’s from short trips, stop and go traffic, etc. The engine will rarely get up to operating temps for any significant period of time, and cannot evaporate condensation and fuel dilution. It is also considered to be extreme conditions by all manufacturers, meaning the time between oil changes should also determine intervals, not just mileage.
Offroading
Finally an informed comment
@@MostGenericUser yeah no joke
If the temp gauge ain’t in the middle the engine ain’t warmed up enough which means you risk condensation inside the engine which leads to build up of carbon dirt and nasty oil. Also the cat won’t ever get warm enough to work properly and don’t forget transmission temp as well. You need to drive the car more than 5 minutes and most people only drive for 5 minutes to work. A fully warmed up car works at its best then when it’s cold.
@@ryans413 what? I've never heard of most people only driving 5 minutes to work. That's ridiculous
I have done 10,000 oil changes for over 30 years and the engines in my car are very clean !
You're a small part of the reason this video is bogus.
Don't believe everything carfax or dealer says. It's only part of the story!
We still do 10,000 mile changes and I've NEVER seen a top end that cruddy.
That car hasn’t had 10000 mile oil services….
10,000 is fine but the key is you actually need to change the oil rather than just stamping the book and charging the customer.
That oil has never been changed.
yeah that's more then 10000 mile oil changed that's never been changed ever
@@raven4k998I disagree. Ive seen what no changes looks like.
Always check your dipstick to confirm the oil is fresh after servicing your car.
You can't do that on a diesel
@@plowe6751 Besides of very rare situations where they actually don't have a dipsticks, oil in diesel engines turn dark after fiew kilometers. You cannot tell if oil is fresh.
@@plowe6751 the second u start it the oil turns black on diesel most of the time the second u pour it in it turn s black
Or do your oil change yourself if you are able to. I do my own changes same with brakes, trust no one
You can't check the dipstick on a BMW they don't have any dipsticks
That’s definitely not 10,000 mile oil changes, but I do agree that 10,000 is a bit too much, probably 7,000 at most depending on the car, I do my 2012 Outback every 6,000 km (bit less than 4,000 miles)
Here in the UK we are 18000 mile oil change intervals and don't see concerns like this, i think this vehicle has covered far more miles than stated between oil changes.
True, I agree
You sure your not meaning kilometers?
@@thedewdster N0 18000 miles Petrol/Gas and on diesels some are 25000 miles.
Oil in US is not the same. Neither is fuel. I worked corporate for a Euro mfr and HQ was always surprised at oil related issues (like stuck rings) that US division had with 10k interval that Europe saw near zero of with 12k and 15k intervals. I am talking miles, not km
@@paultrickett7134What brand of oil are you using to go that far? That’s a long interval.
I'm sure synthetic oil would not allow that with 10,000 mile changes. It wouldn't be perfect, but it wouldn't be that.
Even regular oil wouldn't allow it. Someone didn't change the oil, that's 20k+ oil change territory multiple times.
Check the dipstick after paying for an oil change.
And don't buy vehicles without dipsticks.
Synthetic lasts longer than conventional?
@@volvo09 Synthetic lasts way longer than conventional. Not sure what regular is, but assume it is conventional.
@@ouroesa. Yes. And way slower to burn and turn to hard varnish.
If I had a bearing that was only getting a tenth of the oil flow that it was supposed to get, I would want the oil to be a synthetic.
I might have such a situation and not know it. I don't want a failure from such a situation.
They never changed it once. They just topped off the oil every 10,000 with used oil.
I'll just stick with my 4,000 mile Mobile Full Synthetic oil changes.
Same only I use Cheaper Fully Sync (mannol) for 4K changes you don't need to use top expensive imo.
This is disgraceful. The dealership or whoever claimed to have been doing the oil changes was ripping off the owner of this vehicle. It seems to be obvious to everyone except the mechanics in this video that the oil changes weren't done at all. 🙄
All you idiots think your mechanics now. Go double check yourself before getting butthurt over a video.
I always put a mark on my filter to check its been changed. Some dealers don't do it.
Smart. Or put a piece of chewing gum on the drain plug!🤪
I’ve never heard a mechanic infer that synthetic oil breaks down faster than conventional.
Yeah. Took me a while to catch that too. Plus...I never trust a guy with a man bun.
Yep…I don’t believe him either, which makes me want to put these guys in the same list as the shop or mechanic that was “doing the oil changes “ for this car. 🤔
I'm wondering about that comment as well....is it possible that he was inferring that they must've been using synthetic because if they had been using conventional ,it wouldn't have made it that long?.idk
I was thinking the same
THANK YOU
Lots of comments here about 'that's never been changed' i can assure you it has.
Friend of mine is a professional independent car mechanic (unit next to mine, i do bikes) and he had a Dacia owned by an old boy come in making a ticking noise in the head. It had 35,000 miles on it, in that time he had never taken it for a service or visited a dealership. The motor was written off, pulling the rocker cover off left a perfectly molded solid mass cast of the space inside the rocker box.
Oil does not last 35000 miles, let alone 87000 miles. Repeated 10,000 mile oil changes would absolutely cause a build up like this based on that.
I agree with everyone else: I've been changing every 10k on a variety of different vehicle with synthetics for several decades. None of my engines ever looked like that.
Don’t assume that every engine can handle a 10k oil change interval. Some engines, by their design, are “dirtier” than others. For example, small 4 cylinder turbo charged, direct injection motors tend be “dirtier”
than large, naturally aspirated motors.
i think 10,000 miles of super light in town driving could do this. if you only drive a block or two to work and you never warm the engine up
It's your car you can destroy it however you want
@@kenj.8897 10k isn't destroying anything.
@@logancudd7030you have a good point. Back in the 1980s my partner bought a 1969 340 Dodge Dart GTS all original was only 40,000 MI from an old lady like that who only drove it a couple blocks within the neighborhood. I had an identical 69 340 Dodge Dart Swinger with almost 140,000 Mi on it, also all original never been apart. We raced each other, and for several weeks I would blow the 40,000-mile GTS away, it was so sludged up and would blow smoke at full throttle. After several oil changes and getting on it everywhere we went, the thing finally cleaned up and cleared out and was pretty close to the same as my car.
I sure wish I still had both of those
Guarantee you they were being charged for oil changes and nothing was ever done. That’s why I have to watch all work done on my vehicle
This I go to Valvoline place that allows me to bring in my own oil and I sit in the car and watch them do it.
@@2steaksandwiches665 I often go to the local Valvoline place as well. They get very busy sometimes, but if I see they have less than 4 cars in line in front of me I will wait it out. Once you get in there, the oil change on my car takes 19 minutes or less and I am on my way. I have a 15% off coupon that expires tomorrow, and with the coupon they are slightly cheaper than my go to mechanic shop and less time involved.
@@2steaksandwiches665that’s fantastic, so do they let you bring in your own coolant and smaller parts like headlight bulbs and fuel filters?
@@GMC.Sonoma.4.3 I only have them do my oil change, so the filter and the oil. But it’s worth it because I’m particular on the oil. The manager recommended it to me because he goes. We’re never gonna have that in stock.
@@2steaksandwiches665 interesting.
First mistake was buying a Land Rover lmao
Haaa 😅 LoL
Yeah go buy an audi 😁😁😁😁😁
Not
Land Rover is a problem car along with German cars all problematic !!
Sadiq Khan has made me scrap my ‘98 Impreza still in awesome condition, in favour of shite like this
@@sangbae8099German cars are problematic? How exactly?
I have a 2011 VW Jetta TDI and still going strong at 290K Miles. Oil interval every 10K miles with Long life full synthetic 507.00 spec oil. Was the car in the video a diesel or gasser?
More like 50k oil change.
Judging from what I saw, We should all agree that oil was never changed.
I'm sorry, but that isn't a car with 87k miles with oil changes every 10k. Going 5k is ridiculous and scaremongering. There is something wrong with that engine, likely didn't have oil changes.
well it is if they are saying that the oil gets that thick after 10k no way in hell maybe after 100k but then your my dad
Oil changes not to long ago were done, at the most 6000 miles. Actually these long intervals between changes is new. One of the most common issues with engines today is oil breaking down before the mileage is reached for an oil change.
You're reaching... 5K is average... definitely not "ridiculous and scaremongering" 😂
What are you talking about?! 5k is pretty normal. 10K is beyond the effective life of most regular oil filters. Ridiculous and Scaremongering, err no, perhaps you're justifying why you aren't changing your oil on the right interval?
I do oil changes typically every 3-4k miles.
Change Intervals Understated
Whatever dealer they've been going to needs investigating immediately because that engine has clearly not had an oil change since it was new!!! SCAM DEALERSHIP! Name and SHAME...
Two mechanics with the cleanest hands and shirts I’ve ever seen believe this is a 10K oil change problem? Clearly they don’t know shit from shinola
😂😂 what a g
Underrated comment
I was thinking the same thing. These two look like youtubers pretending to be mechanics for the video.
The big guys hands look a little dirty. My mechanics hands always look dirty. It like he became one with the grease and oils.
the one with tats is the mechanic, the one with white hair is an office dweller
Clearly your listening skills are s@#t
Just because the last oil change guys told Car Fax they changed the oil, does not mean they changed the oil. NO WAY that is 10k interval. Looks more like 80k interval.
Ford stealerships charge for jobs they don't do.
That's my Rover and I decided to get oil changes every 88000 miles.
BS that car has had 10k mile oil changes, they should be embarrassed saying that.
That dealership is basically trying to destroy that Land Rover so the customer can buy a new Rover so the dealership can stay in business. No way that oil has been changed even at 10,000 miles. That's only 8 visits.
killing your customer's car and ruining their view of the brand isn't going to get you back into the same dealership to buy the same car
Who can afford a new car every 2-3 years.
Worst business model ever, won't work.
This isn't a scummy business technique, it's just lazy mechanics or a customer who has not been servicing their car
@@rubberwoody they bought a land rover. They're clearly morons that know nothing about cars.
@@rubberwoody Only stuppid people.
@@rubberwoody I hear you if you a man but some women, not all,..... she buying at tax time and that's her trade-in.
I work at a JLR specialist and never come across this with regularly serviced cars, that's either not been serviced for a long long time or it's got the wrong oil in it.
i agree, mineral based oil instead of full synthetic
There is no chance they did oil change.. unless they changed with sunflour oil..
I agree with the comments section. That's a "synthetic never breaks down so charge the customer but don't change the oil" oil change. I change my own oil and I still do it every 3k even though I know its no longer necessary because I have been scammed so many times by dealerships its maddening. Like how are they not being arrested. Everytime I have taken a vehicle in for any kind of major service every mechanic has always pulled me aside and asked me why my engine is so clean. I change the oil every 3-4k and I use those STP octane boosters, not for the horsepower but the cleaning effect they have.
3k oil change is just waste of good oil, don't fool yourself with 50 year old myths.
I thought that if engine oil breaks down it looks like new oil, while all the sludge and products of combustion separate out and clog the engine.
you wont see any return on that octane investment. literally burning your money.
This is a complete nonsense promoted by people who want to change your oil overly frequently for a fee . . .
I use Amsoil in all my engines. Signature series for my vehicles. I change the filter at 15,000 I drive another 10,000 and change both filter and oil. Yeah I is. 110 bucks but the quality is there and it is once a year. Plenty of quality motor oils out there don’t get me wrong. Filter changes are a must.I drive a 07 Buick lacrosse and have been doing this 9 years now with no engine issues. Don’t be a cheap ass when it comes to oil and filter,it will bite you in the long run.
Ran cars over 250,000 miles and did 10,000 mile oil changes with never any issues. You guys are real mechanics?
This person never did an oil change. You completely missed the point clown
Some cars are more prone to sludge and oil build up than others like this one, Yeah I’m sure that car went passed 10k without service. That doesn’t mean there not real mechanics, and definitely shouldn’t be insulated for trying to spread awareness to everyone & be helpful. The message was don’t wait 10k for oil service or this could be you, they got there point across.
Look at his hair.
@@alfredomarin3793they're wrong though. A full synthetic wouldn't allow for that kind of sludge buildup over 10K miles
I was a dealer tech for ten years. Every single engine I have ever opened up that called for 7-10k intervals looked like this. Manufacturers stretch intervals to lower "cost of ownership" numbers. Never pass 5k intervals. Fafo.
About 20 years ago my brother bought his father-in-law’s Toyota Land Cruiser off him because it had been religiously serviced every 10,000 kilometres by the local Toyota dealership that he’d bought it from brand new. They charged premium rates because they used only genuine Toyota parts. My brother bought it with just over 100,000 kilometres on it.
After buying it he took it to his mechanic because of an odd noise coming from the engine. It turned out the dealership had never done anything to it. No oil changes, no replacement parts, engine full of sludge, not even spark plugs replaced. (He never told his father-in-law. The shock would have worsened his last weeks of life; he had terminal cancer. Hence no legal action was taken.)
Never, ever trust a dealer.
My uncle told me this.
A friend of his bought a "little old ladies car". It was very clean, 11,000 miles, 15 years old. She only drove it two miles to the store once a week. and every so often to get her hair styled. It never got fully warmed up. She was selling it to buy a smaller car easier to park. She told him it was due for oil change at 12000 miles. She told the guy to just drive through town and come right back. The car ran great. He bought it. When he drove it home, it would not go faster than 40. At home he checked the oil, it was full, but it was black. He forgot to check it, he was so excited to see how clean it was. He removed the drain plug but nothing came out. He knew it was full, so he poked the drain hole with a screwdriver and the oil came out, but slow. He removed the valve cover and it was really sludged up. He called a trusted mechanic and asked what to do. The old mechanic said,
"Put the valve cover back on, install the drain plug. Fill it to the hole with kerosene. Remove spark plugs and give generous amount of STP gas treatment to each cylinder. Let it sit for a whole week. Drain the kerosene. Fill with one quart transmission fluid one pint Marvel mystery oil, and top it off with regular oil Add another pint to the gas tank. Remove spark plugs and crank engine to spit out the STP. Install new spark plugs and start it. Drive it 500 miles, change oil and repeat. But this time drive 1000 miles before changing oil. The car should be running better. Then Change oil and drive 3000 miles. Remove valve cover and see what happened. The guy was stunned.
With each oil change the engine ran better until it could cruise at 65 with no trouble. Inside the valve cover it was clean as could be.
How did u remember all that?😆
Not sure what kind of crazy person would drive a 15 year old car without checking the oil.
how can you add oil to the gas tank? the fuel filter would get blocked, surely.?
@davidbaker7246 marvel mistry oil is thin.
@@davidbaker7246 One pint of mystery oil in 15 gallons is not going to plug a filter. The mystery oil is actually quite thin.
This is silly. That motor is not representative of most Euro cars that specify 10k mi oil intervals.
I've put HUNDREDS of thousands of miles on multiple cars (Audi, BMW, Mercedes) and NONE of them have had a single oil related issue.
correct. these guys have lost all credibility by being dumb
Land Rover in the US is shit
I do mine every 5000 miles and I do it myself, that way I know it's done correctly!
same here every 5 and do it myself
Correction. By doing it yourself you know it's actually being done.
Love 5. Easy to remember...whe the thousands slot on your odometer hits five or zero... change oil.
@@alanjm1234 I do my own too, and I have $50 that says NO SHOP is doing it as correctly as I am.
5K miles. I control what oil gets used (Pennzoil Plat). I control what filter gets used (Wix). And most importantly, it gets done unlike this engine.
Range Rover with a 2 liter.... wow really getting our money's worth
The assumption is they were telling the truth.
With 10k changes that would look fine - if Car Fax really said that they're lying, that's a never had an oil change engine.
More than likely it's the dealer accepting payment for a service never rendered
And reporting to Carfax 10000 mi oil changes
Dealer changed the counter from the dashboard most likely. Carfax only gets metadata from the computer.
I really don't get it. I have a 2008 Sprinter van as the workhorse for my workshop. It is totally original. No EGR delete, no DPF delete. I change the oil according to the built in dynamic service indicator. The interval is always somewhere around 25,000-30,000 kilometers. The Sprinter has about 450,000km on the odometer now and the engine is absolutely clean inside. No sludge whatsoever.
What am I doing wrong?
You're fine, this oil simply was never changed. Dealer fraud probably.
thats a benz, and probably a diesel. those are million mile vehicles.
@@mrinvader considering he mentions no DPF delete we can safely assume it is a diesel.
@@X85283 it is also used as a Diesel should be used. I very rarely drive less than 20 miles in one go. I recently repaired a leaking valve cover gasket on an Audi A6 with more than 500,000 km. When I removed the intake piping and manifold, it was, of course, coated with some black goo; but no hard crusts or chunks at all. I really don't like all that emissions crap; please don't get me wrong; but if you use your vehicle like you're supposed to use it (a big diesel engine is DEFINITELY not made for short distance city driving!!), it will last a long time.
I've done synthetic oil changes on the wife's car every time. She did let it go for 14,000 miles without letting me know it needs oil, but her engine was NOT like that at all. I normally do oil changes every 3k-5k miles on all cars.
10K is nothing for quality oil.
This problem comes from garbage oil.
Or the customer lied and has never changed the oil. “Oh I’ve done it every 9-10k” with no paper trail doesn’t sound like someone who is very diligent about taking care of their car.
Mazola? 🤔
NO. MOST MODERN OILS ARE GOOD ENOUGH..THIS IS FROM OIL BREAKING DOWN DUE TO WAY TOO LONG OIL CHANGE INTERVALS..(DIRECT INJECTION WITHOUT PORT FUEL INJECTION) FUEL DILUTION, OXIDATION, ETC.. NO MATTER WHAT OIL YOU PUT IN IT, ITS NOT GOING TO LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT EVEN IF YOUR USING THE BEST OIL FOR THE SPECIFIC ENGINE..OIL CHANGE INTERVALS ARE THE PRIMARY CULPRIT !!!! 5000 MILES FOR N/A ENGINES AND BOOSTED APPLICATIONS NEED IT SOONER THAN 5K PREFERABLY!!
Guys he clearly said the car report stated the records are there to verify the new oil changes
Not really the oil. Filtration is what is junk on automobiles. Most oils are decent enough quality they can go 10k, it's the filtration that gets you in the end.
That said, this vehicle has been severely neglected. This oil as never been changed likely.
Dealers don't always use their own product. I found this out when I was looking for power steering ATF fluids for my Toyota. The parts guy said they just buy stuff from the local parts store. The Care Care Nut mentioned this in one of his videos and that confirmed it.
Nothing wrong with that if it meets the spec. You think Toyota is actually making ATF in a factory in Japan somewhere?
@@X85283 I know Toyota doesn't make their own ATF; none of them do. What I'm saying is they don't always use the Toyota branded stuff. They use what they can get.
@@Methodical2 Sure but there is nothing wrong with that assuming they are buying something that meets the API (or whatever) spec set by Toyota, which is pretty easy to do.
@@X85283 Yeah, but you notice Toyota products, including ATF, oil etc always says on the packaging, in this case ATF, that the product was made specifically for/to Toyota specifications as if theirs something magical in the bottle only for their vehicles, yet they will use what they can get on the shelf of a parts store.
@@Methodical2 So? It is still the spec that matters, not the marketing line they put on the sticker that goes on a jug of off the shelf fluid that meets the spec. If a Toyota really needed something special, they would define a new API specification for it. This has been done many many times before by car manufacturers (coolant and ATF types especially).
Never trust a car dealer. That goes for sales and repairs. There is a reason these people have the reputation they have.
Correct!The dealer just works on the car,they don't manufacture the car!Why trust the dealer to tell you when you should change your oil?
Mechanics do this now cause they lose a lot of money thanks to modern synthetics mine tried to get me to do one every 3k 😂 I got a slow leak all I gotta do is change the filter and add a quart once a year 01’ mustang v6
One of the reasons why I do my own oil changes at home. I DO NOT trust dealers.
Even better, also you feel a sense of pride you know what you are using all the time.
Peace of mind in invaluable.🫡🫡🫡
@@fernando9175 Yup.. applying all torque values and correct filled fluids. I do all the general service & general repairs on my cars.
Same here
That’s not a 10,000 oil change guys and you know it, it’s not 1987 anymore.
I could be with conventional oils...
@@lonniebeal6032what the hell are you even saying ? It’s supposed to have a particular viscosity . It’s not a one size fits all kind of thing dude . “ conventional “ my arse . Have you seen the recycled sludge they call oil & pass off as the word “ conventional “ ? Have you ever looked at it ? It’s repulsive .
This vehicle owner was NOT using synthetic oil; he was using conventional oil FOR SURE.
Even today’s conventional oil wouldn’t look that bad with 10,000 mile changes. That was never changed.
Whats the difference?
Oh; HUGE DIFFERENCE! Conventional oil is pretty much fossil fuel. When you bake conventional oil at high enough temperature temperatures for a prolonged amount of time it will sludge; Causing plaque on engine components; where on the other hand? Synthetic oil is made out of pure natural gas. Hence, the huge price difference. Synthetic oil does not sludge or cause plaque buildup, On the contrary, synthetic oil has a powerful cleaning agent as well as superior protection against friction…. Think of it as enzymes inside oil…. It’s that good. That’s why a lot of engine manufacturers Require (not recommend) The use of synthetic oils.
@@ralphlazio505 thank you!
As a matter in fact; Synthetic oil is so good, that if you were to use it on a classic car (of course, using the correct oil weight); it has been known to cause all kinds of engine oil leaks seeping through every single gasket of the engine 😅 simply because the synthetic oil will immediately begin to break up all the engine gunk inside of the motor and gaskets…. So of course, you have to replace the oil pan, gaskets and head, gaskets and valve cover gaskets in order to give a new life to the car engine. It’s crazy.
Brian Murphy of Chicago went over a million miles in a 2007 Nissan Frontier changing the oil every 10,000 miles. It's documented on the TFL channel on UA-cam. I personally don't wait 10,000 miles to change mine, but just saying - the man went 10,000 miles between oil changes and the truck lasted over a million miles.
I've sent in synthetic oil for lab analysis at 10k miles and it had more than 50% life remaining.
The service intervals on a lot of modern cars says 24k. I personally wouldnt feel comfortable waiting that long.
But im not going to argue with engineers who designed the engines and oils
Don't think oil life is the problem, think debris and other stuff circulating in the engine is. Oil is cheap, engines are not. You do you.
50% life doesn’t mean run it longer. It means 50 % effective ability.
@@puttervids472 Its 50% -usable- life left, if you look into oil analysis you will see it means the oil is still perfectly OK to use. Kind regards.
@@weirdyoda04 that doesn’t pass the logic test. Viscosity , and contamination at 50 % of original is half as good as new. Full stop. Can’t explain that away.
TLDR; Use the best oil that you can afford, and a Top-Tier fuel whenever possible.
I have always used 5,000 mile drain intervals on my 2015 Buick Regal Turbo. 109,000 on it now, using 0w40 Motul 300v. I track the car a few times a year, and she still is in spec for a new LTG for oil pressure and often gets fantastic fuel milage in the 28-32 mpg range. The trick for these modern turbocharged GDI engines is an ester based oil, or if you can't afford that, a PAO based oil, and a Top Tier fuel. Lake Speed Jr has some vids out there if you want to dive down the rabbit hole like i did
Yea I do 5k changes on my 2023 civic type r as well. But I'll be honest, this looks like the oil has never been changed in that thing.
Either they are lying, or the dealership was lying to them and not changing the oil when brought in for service.
After seeing that, I'm selling the car asap.
Mechanics are starving to get you in their shops for oil changes, LMAO
Bingooooo!!!! 😅🍻
They don't actually make that much money off of the oil changes, it's more about finding other issues in your car, of which you have the decision to get it repaired or not. If you go to a good shop, you won't have any problems. You should get your oil changed while it still looks and acts brand new which is 3000-5000 miles.
Depending on if the oil change is done on the lube rack or not, a lot of places will lose money on oil changes.
They were doing the timing chain.
Watch just rolled in. It's crazy
as others point out, thats never oil changed for 87 thousand miles, but not just that, the oil never got changed after break-in either, and on top of that, this looks like the owner(s) have not treated the engine as they should, probably revving it ice cold, then overheated, and likely have thrown in additives. which is not necessarily a bad thing if you rightfully so would trust the mechanics have changed the oil, but actually haven't and that makes it worse. 10k mile oil change is fine. hell, if you treat your car properly with mostly highway miles, slow heat up, and treat it like a 'breakable' item, you can go 15k miles without oil change. but not in a landrover though.
that isnt 10k mile old oil it looks like 30k