While i think that "beating" the game is not the way to play it, i do accept that for some people this is the way to play. It's an RPG let people play the way they want to play :)
Hear, hear! I came to this enlightened position about 12 years ago. I have been playing just shy of 20 years. I am now 67 and I don't do much of anything that isn't fun or at least my preference. You are on the right path to enjoying your life on a higher level. Pun intended 😂 I remember the days of consumption and forgetting that the words game and fun were meant for each other. Here is a secret, sometimes I just go fishing, not cause I need the food or gold. Just to enjoy the scenery. Thanks for sharing.❤
I love hunting for classic raids, just to be able to enjoy the content that i couldnt at that point in time (low lvl, not because im not old enough), and being able to transmog into an old helmet gives me more joy than mix maxing my build
What makes him think that competition IS NOT fun for some. Just like he is advising those to have fun, competitive people are advising competitive minded folks to be competitive. Whats the difference? Fun chasers think their way is best.Pretty much what they are accusing others of. Except no one is making vids complaining about casuals.
@@ominai1877 I think we all understand that competitive meta chasers enjoy chasing metas and being competitive. Something you failed to consider is the long-term damage that is done to games that only service those top percentage players. They will leave when the meta changes or does not fit their preference. Be appreciative about other aspects and not only valuing staying ahead! It will be more beneficial in the future. I would advise you to not get so fired up just because people are able to have fun without the fear of falling behind or not being as good as the other circle jerking comps you might run.
How dare you control and judge what other people find fun? If people want to play games for strategy and optimization, let them. Don’t need to make a video shitting on other play styles
The older I get the more I feel a pressure to use my time at peak efficiency, and this has been so corrosive in my gaming and hobbies… Not only multiplayer games, but I find myself practically speed running Zelda games and then wondering why I don’t feel the magic I once used to! Glad to have realized this. I too will be playing for fun, at a relaxed pace, and rejecting that feeling of “falling behind” every time it rears its ugly head. Thanks for the video!
i am literally playing through a link between worlds for the first time ever, experiencing the magic of exploration and learning where all the nooks and crannies are for all the collectibles. Havent looked up a guide or anything yet, but I only just got to Lorule. the perspective has changed since i was a kid, because now all i want to do with games is randomize them then get "good-ish" at them, and to do so i need to learn the game initially.
Finally, someone with common sense. Thank you! Tier lists only mean something in the top 1%, but those angry Demon Hunters don't understand that when they kick my Survival Hunter for not being the correct spec. If you play the spec you love long enough, you can easily outperform flavor of the month players. Imo tierlists are just horrible clickbait because no one seems to know how to properly interpret the data.
100%. I remember to this day when the #1 Hunter in the WORLD when the Nighthold raid was current, was in fact a survival hunter, while they were by all other meta calculations the worst of the worst. PLAY WHAT YOU LOVE! HAVE FUN!
@@ominai1877 Correct? If that's how you want to play, too, then engage that way. I'm not negating that as a choice since, well, I'm not the arbiter of your choices. You do you, friend.
Honestly, no, it's not. Trying to do any reasonable key with off-meta Is a very time consuming chore which the majority can't do, hence why even garbage players follow the meta.
@@shamba4406 I think at the end of the day: it's a choice. If you're not pushing keys beyond a certain point, it works. If you are, then the meta shows what can reasonably do it.
Randomly watched a few of these videos today and they're just so charmingly wholesome. They all basically boil down to: "Hey you" "Me?" "Yeah you. Do you remember fun?" "Aaahhh..." "Like this. Remember this? This used to be fun, right?" "Oh yeah! I DO remember that. And it WAS fun!...Man, when was the last time I did a fun?" "You should do more fun". "You're right. I should do more fun 😃"
This! UA-cam needed this video. My algorithm is flooded with, "What class should you play and what class you should avoid" like who tf cares...I want my vanilla days back. F*** meta.
Wow has never been more "rewarding" for casual play, and for me a lot of the complaints people have are simply self made prisons. I play a lot, but have a very casual approach and prioritize enjoyment, and I feel greatly rewarded. I remember back in vanilla, grinding rocks to finally afford myself one epic mount, personally Im glad those days are over. A friend of mine would spend all his game time during a week to get buffs for raid night, thats just never been appealing to me. Wow was even born out of the desire to have a more casual/less punishing systems than the MMOs at the time Like how the creators mentioned not liking losing EXP for dying. Even so, there are still those "hard" rewards, out of reach of the "mere casual"; so theres something there for everyone I think.
i couldnt agree more ,i personally dont care about raids, ilvl and other endgame shit like that , i love going for older achievments , leveling up in the older xpac zones , reading the quests , pet battles , doing older raids for transmog and the lore , i barelly touch the endgame everytime i come back to wow and the chromie scaling system is great , i can go do all the quests in northrend for example and then go do the raids (even tough solo isnt as fun ) to conclude the expansion story but i miss the community part of wow
This was incredible to hear. It’s exactly how I play for all the reasons you mentioned. So wholesome, and while I have always been fine with doing it my own way, seeing this video and all the people who agree makes me feel even better about it
This is how I play too. For FUN. I don’t rush to the end, I enjoy the story. I don’t try to figure out all the systems, I naturally learn them as I come across them. I don’t immediately grab professions just so that I’m not “behind” when I reach end game and need to craft to beat a RAID as fast as possible. I may not even RAID, I may just do delves and solo queue dungeons. I’ll be interested to see what content you release. Subscribed…
EXCELLENT VIDEO!! I agree 100% That's what I have been advocating the last 10 years as content creator!! And as community leader/member I've always try to ensure everyone else was having fun regardless of their playstyle and/or skills at the game. Hence, I'm not queing dungeons anymore, I set them up in the LFG tools (premade groups) with the tags "Newbie welcome" "mistakes are allowed" "kind & patient" Those are my requierements :D
G O D that intro bit hurts my soul. It's exactly some of the stuff that really messed me up, because I wanted to find not what was *the best* but what was *for me*. Nobody talks about it like that!
Same. I started doing couple things to actually have fun, and explore the world, and not, to play the meta game. I don't use HandyNotes for new expansion, until I'm really deep into the patch, and found almost everything myself. I don't check items or places or mysteries, but discover them myself, if.. it's designed in a way, that I can do that without Wowhead's help. I don't fly from place to place at 1000% speed, just to do all right away, especially at the start of expansion. I walk, I use ground mount, I fly in 'immersive' way, trying to use it when it makes sense, and not literally fly from mob to mob, 10 meters away, to save 1 second. I craft consumables and use them consistently for fun. I explore weird spots, and check every nook and corner. I turn off UI and look around at the vistas. I rp my character, and at times interact with other people. Currently my vulpera offers drug samples to strangers, by giving away Haste flasks I craft, saying it's 'meth'. Or I use lots of toys and engineering devices to mess with people. There's lots of fun, if someone avoids the meta, and fine tuning of gameplay. I'm not against it, but doing it right away, when expansion starts is a waste of opportunities. WoW feels the best when everything is a mystery as expansion releases. Why ruin it?
This is how I have played wow for a long time now, I chase account unlocks and transmogs and only go into harder raids if its because theres a cosmetic I really desire, not allowing myself to get caught up in the gear grind which will have a catch up mechanic in 2 months.
Great video, thank you. We need to amplify the opinions of people just trying to have fun in the game, instead of top percentage players dictating all of wow’s in game and out of game content.
absolutely, i did the grind and meta chasing in shadowlands and grew very bored and fatigued of it all, i've come back now after missing an expansion and a major lifestyle change with my daughter being born and i haven't looked anything up, i've just played the way i wanted to and i've had so much fun playing that i didn't think was in the game anymore, looking forward to what the future of the expansion brings
Exactly this, man! Just do whatever is fun for YOU. Play whatever class, race, spec, talents YOU want to. It doesn't even matter unless you're in the 1% of players, anyway.
Love this video. Same way I’ve almost always played wow. Started at the end of mop and haven’t touched raids except lfr since legion (when I did heroic). Just having fun doing casual open world stuff, collecting old mogs, or leveling alts.
Thank you, I hate the meta and I hate playing what everyone else plays. I don't know how that's fun. I play what race I like, what class I like and what spec I like. Idgaf if it's the "top"
Thank you for this. Just getting back into the game after 4 years being away - and having been through 15 years of multiple class/spec changes, dungeons, raids, and guild drama, I'm ready to just have some fun!
Actually despite the expansion about a week or so away, was considering taking a break because I've worn myself out going hard in Season 4, Remix and the Prepatch.
Yeah i chose to step away for a bit to decompress after DF S3. Completely burned myself out trying to break R1 for my server every season since legion lol
they almost got me back with Delves cos Im not into grouping anymore but then I thought 💭 there’s no way Im buying the game + subscription to play solo-mode … so I started guild wars 2… lets see how it goes
That is me with my experience in pre-patch. I chose Disc/Shadow priest and kept feeling indecisive because of certain nerfs or buffs being talked about online.. In the end, I am playing these two specs because I think they look really cool and I want to heal as well as dps for the start of TWW! I have been approaching more games like this recently. Following the meta can make a smoother experience, but also takes away from the immersion and fun I could of had just doing what I thought was cool!
Mate as a content creator (Mainly about farming for gold in wow) I 100% agree with this, its the same thing on the farming side. do this farm to make x amount of gold at launch.... etc etc etc... so frustrating as we all nerfs will happen right away! Mate, Great video!!! Great Video!!! ❤❤
Totally totally agree, I’ve always mained priest and just enjoyed it through every expansion. Whether it’s meta or crap, just enjoy the game. ITS A GAME.❤
Great video and great advice. It’s nice to see more people playing as they want to, and to see Blizzard actually put content in for those different play styles.
Never in any game do what others want you to do. Play for yourself, its only a game. Im having fun, last time played wow like 10 years ago. I just made void elf warlock because it looks cools and i like its theme. I heard that affliction is good, so there is win win for me, but i dont care about meta, just having fun and trying to be the best for myself
(Saw the length of my rant, so I added a TL;DR at the end of the comment.) Honestly, some people love to go down the meta route. For them that is fun, and I have nothing but respect for it. But what I want to do is be a big old Ret Pala bitch baby and enjoy myself while I find out how to make it as a spec work for the content that I am personally aiming for. Instead of min maxing by going down the route of choosing a specific spec for the maximum amount of damage as an example, I want to min max by finding out all of the little ways that I can push to be the best that I can in the spec that I want to play. I like the class fantasy of being a big ol' light show, and that is all there is to it. Otherwise, in terms of content, I personally adore the idea of delves. The fact that the rewards that they give can reach all the way to Heroic Raids is absolutely insane, and I love the fact that they will probably serve as a way to challenge yourself solo as with the mage tower back in Legion, because some people, such as yours truly, simply just don't have enough time to commit to group content on a long-term basis. I want to challenge myself and strive to be a better player, whilst not completely falling behind, and delves are a chance for me to do exactly so. It gives players more choice in terms of the content that they want to do as Mythic+ did all the way back in Legion and has done ever since. I'm excited to have some fun in my own very special way in this very special game that we all share, even if it might not be the best experience always. (TL;DR: I'm pretty goddamn excited to have some fun in the new expansion, y'all.)
Same. I will play the classes I enjoy, the races I fancy and do the content I relax in or peaks my interest. Each expansion has been a different focus since vanilla. This expansion will be exploring all professions for fun, not for greed, and after 8 years of ignoring instances, I might return to them because they were fun in remix. No mythic, no hardcore, just lfd, lfr. The meta is for the 0.5% top players and I play to relax solo, or laugh with a 72 yr old guildie as we quest together. Cya in TWW 😊.
Me and my wife playing only for fun, no hardcore progression or raiding. We are skilling the skills we want and dont join dungeons if they are too hard or makes no fun. We enjoy the story and the beauty of the designed world. Because the story often dont binds you for too long to the game, we play MMORPGs Addon after Addon. If a storyline is finished to a available point, we continue the addon from another game.
I knew I was going to main my warlock again long before watching any tier lists or guides. Really all they've served to do is to either hype me up further, or temper my expectations for how others will react to my class.
I started playing wow for the first time about a week ago. The very first day I had some friends trying to walk me through the game, which was all good and fun. Then they are trying to get me to download this overlay thing that covers my entire screen in numbers and pictures and junk talking about maximizing their dps and not having downtime. I have just politely been playing by myself and enjoying questing.😅
really good video - I feel the same way. Imagine if DPS-Meters were never implemented via addons - everybody would just play "for fun". In my opinion, DPS-Meters are the worst thing that happened to wow, because it led to endless complaining about nerves and made wow become a damage race.
"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of the game." Or stated another way, "Players spend all their time turning an enchanting virtual world back into a database."
This video sums it up pretty well, I want to add that I think it's funny people always copy "the perfect pvp build" whilst also checking other builds to know how to counter it. I myself just experiment a bit around and stick mainly to what works for me, I find often that my strat works as well as these "perfect builds" because people do not expect anything else. I also started playing a RP server since last year and I'm having a blast, okay yeah some people take it to a whole new level, but transmogs and mounts etc gain so much more meaning when actually playing the RP in RPG.
The loot of the final boss in the Worldsoul Saga in like 6 years in the future should be just a note that says "The real treasure was the fun you had along the way".
Here's how I play it: I have one character who plays the main story and another character who plays the side quests. I intent to slowly add more characters to the new zones, so it feels like a group of adventurers (I like to think of them as my "warband" - came up with this myself ^^). Here are some tips that make the roleplay more fun: ## Change hairstyles and other character details ## feels like some time has passed since the last adventure with that character, keeps the visuals fresh and makes the character feel more "real", at least to me ## start the expansion with a "bland" transmog ## I know, we are all CHAMPIONS, but the best feeling for me was those first zones I experienced. This "stranger in an unknown land"-effect really adds to the immersion, especially because it makes you fit into the zone better ## use more "normal" mounts ## like your faction mounts, the dragonflight drarkes, etc, for the same reason as transmogs ## use slow walking or ground mounts, whenever possible ## with dragonriding you can cross an entire zone in no time. The reason we remember all those low level zones so well is because it took time to travel through them. And those zones look UGLY. really give yourself time to take in these gorgeous vistas, pluspoints for taking roads and paths instead of running in a straight line to every destination ## embrace distractions ## Not necessarily a rp tip, but something that prevented me from rushing from quest to quest. if you have gathering profession, try to take all those nodes, or simply all those POIs like chests, etc. If you have crafting, do that in between quests, or just pick an npc and follow them around for a bit. interspersing different kinds of content makes the whole experience feel "larger" than it would be if you would first grind the story, then grind crafting, then rep, etc. too much of one thing without variety tends to feel straineous and we get fed up with it faster. TWW makes this really easy with Delves, follower dungeons, crafting specializations, etc. ## final tip: write your character's story ## this is more niche and definitely not for everyone but writing a diary or chronicle of your adventure from the perspective of your character is super fun. I confess, I don't always do it, but I always think about the adventures in form on an episode of a series after a play session. Maybe imagine your character returning to your warband's camp and them talking about what happened to them recently. It's super fun, gives your character and the world more gravitas and who knows, maybe it inspires more, like writing a short story or drawing a comic about these adventures. I've done this since Legion and it made me rediscover wow all over again. ## final final tip/advice ## Here is the most important thing and it's not what you think. >> Don't submit yourself to these "rules" (they aren't rules anyways). Forcing yourself to play side quests with a different character when you really wanna continue the story will have the opposite affect and makes it feel like a chore. allow yourself to switch it up if it doesn't feel right. In the end it's a game so play however you want to. There is no right way, nothing is mandatory.
Agree, I stopped looking at guides and I try to make sense out of my spec and be the best I can personally can with the talents I put up together. I love hunting transmogs and I'm very happy on clearing the normal raid difficulty.
I feel the same way about a lot of games nowadays, including Helldivers 2. So many people are complaining about the "meta" and balancing but I'm having an absolute blast using unconventional weaponry that I just haven't tried before or think is neat.
I think a lot of us look for the "Best" videos not because we want to play the best class but because we want to gauge the scene. I have a DK and hunter alt I want to level second and if one is going to be considerably more fun/accepted/talked about/loved by blizzard then I want the healthier option. It's not so black and white like we all just want to go into an expansion playing the same shit. When I watch best of videos, it's to see how each individual streamer feels going in. If every one of them put Disc priest at the bottom, maybe it's not the best option out of the gate. You get my point.
EXACTLY what I feel about Wow after 20 years, I reach about m+ 10-12 more or less then that's it. I 'm having now soo much fun by myself slowly leveling slowly beside rushers who will wait 2 more years for Midnight since they gonna be 80 in about 2 weeks.......... my time as aguild officer in MC back in 2005 are gone and God thanks I grew up like that great game !!! Have fun guys in TWW !!!
one of the nice things about wow is that every spec is playable up to the highest difficulty. there is no spec that will prohibit a mythic clear if there are two or three in the group. sure mythic +35 or world first require the absolute optimal comp. but these players don't need to watch a UA-cam video to figure that out and could probably beat everyone that does feel the need to follow them with any class anyway
I'm approaching the game like this way now. It's so much better and feel like I'm playing a game instead of always "Not falling behind." This mindset needs to be gone with already with min/maxing and making everyone feel like they need to do it as well. Add me and we can explore the new zones together!
Ive been p[layng this way since SL. I do easy content for easy IL, then I go explore and play old content overgeared. I hate tanking for groups and I hate healing for groups. Because people suck. Occasionally I get a PuG for legendries or timewalking, then it's back to exploring the old world.
This was me 4 years ago genuinely baffled as to why everyone was so obsessed with playing a different covenant choice to the one they like the best, just because it gives them more DPS. Unless you’re pushing keys or trying to raid mythic, just play what you like the best.
the WoW Playerbase is so brain rotten chasing metas and looking up to the 1% World First Players that they are incapable of playing the game in any other way...
my account was deleted about a year ago and I just came back with a new account. This is probably the best thing I could have done because now I can play the game for fun instead of playing it to keep up with everything and get everything, since I had so many rare things that are no longer available I was just playing to get more rarity value on my account. Now I can start fresh without having to worry about using any legacy transmogg stuff like ashbringer, challange mode armor / weapons, mounts and stuff.
Well said. I now just delete every video of the kind you mention at the start. My fun is having lots of alts and I spend a lot of time theming them, spec, race, name, transmog etc. I’m looking forward to bringing Hero talents into that mix.
I looked up some of these tier list videos, but only to find what class would fit my playstyle. I've realized I like easier classes that arn't as button spammy. I like healers that feel more classic where you mostly throw out big reactive heals. Those kinds of preview videos were quite helpful so that I can focus on playing a new class or sticking with an existing one that I'll enjoy.
I used to love exploring, questing, collecting achievements, pets and waiting for Huolon to drop the mount, but people kept asking "why is your item level so low?" and I just gave up on the game. I didn't want to have to study to play it, so I just decided it wasn't for me...
High end PVPers, raiders and M+s are often complaining about how there's never any fresh blood coming into their communities. I hope they see this and listen. lol
You're obviously correct, the problem starts where community perception and "your fun" clash though. For raiding it's usually not an issue, you need every class anyways and they're usually balanced good enough + raid buffs/utility help enough. But M+? Gl getting into groups as a moonkin or destro lock/fire mage under current tuning (beta state) or whatever the perceived meta will be when m+ starts. This is my main gripe and probably a big reason why tier lists are so popular, people want to game and not stare at the lfg and see -decline -decline -decline -decline -decline for half an hour because they picked "the wrong class".
as a Mythic raider that has seen the ones who sprint, play things they dont want to play, and burn out, your perspective is the one that keeps WoW a healthy experience and not a job. ive played Shaman for 20 years. I'm still here because I do what I want and stop when its not what I want to do.
WoW is an RPG at heart. I wish more people would try to play it like one instead of “beating” it.
This is what I miss most about WOW
Because you casually left out the "mmo" part where sadly, the community is way too meta driven.
@@k9tirion927I resigned and first thing I noticed is NOBODY talks in-game anymore. Very sad
While i think that "beating" the game is not the way to play it, i do accept that for some people this is the way to play.
It's an RPG let people play the way they want to play :)
@@kebby8251 clearly you've not played on RP realms
The best WoW guide ever tbh. You totally echo my feelings. Big hugs.
This vídeo is like an oasis in the middle of a desert. Good job.
Hear, hear! I came to this enlightened position about 12 years ago. I have been playing just shy of 20 years. I am now 67 and I don't do much of anything that isn't fun or at least my preference. You are on the right path to enjoying your life on a higher level. Pun intended 😂 I remember the days of consumption and forgetting that the words game and fun were meant for each other. Here is a secret, sometimes I just go fishing, not cause I need the food or gold. Just to enjoy the scenery. Thanks for sharing.❤
Wise words here ☺
I love hunting for classic raids, just to be able to enjoy the content that i couldnt at that point in time (low lvl, not because im not old enough), and being able to transmog into an old helmet gives me more joy than mix maxing my build
Yep😉
So on board with this 👍🏻
Real boomer wisdom
How dare you!! How dare you encourage people to have fun!!
What makes him think that competition IS NOT fun for some. Just like he is advising those to have fun, competitive people are advising competitive minded folks to be competitive. Whats the difference? Fun chasers think their way is best.Pretty much what they are accusing others of. Except no one is making vids complaining about casuals.
….as long as you are not a Gnome
@@ominai1877 I think we all understand that competitive meta chasers enjoy chasing metas and being competitive.
Something you failed to consider is the long-term damage that is done to games that only service those top percentage players. They will leave when the meta changes or does not fit their preference. Be appreciative about other aspects and not only valuing staying ahead! It will be more beneficial in the future.
I would advise you to not get so fired up just because people are able to have fun without the fear of falling behind or not being as good as the other circle jerking comps you might run.
How dare you control and judge what other people find fun? If people want to play games for strategy and optimization, let them. Don’t need to make a video shitting on other play styles
@@ominai1877ye we could all care less about the casuals anyway 😂
Spoke right into my nostalgic heart. The feelings i had about playing wow as a teenager suddenly emerged again.
Thank you for this video!
Bravo. Starting from beginning following "expansions in order" thread on reddit. My epic journey begins today.
Could you link the reddit thread you’re following? That sounds awesome
The older I get the more I feel a pressure to use my time at peak efficiency, and this has been so corrosive in my gaming and hobbies… Not only multiplayer games, but I find myself practically speed running Zelda games and then wondering why I don’t feel the magic I once used to! Glad to have realized this. I too will be playing for fun, at a relaxed pace, and rejecting that feeling of “falling behind” every time it rears its ugly head. Thanks for the video!
i am literally playing through a link between worlds for the first time ever, experiencing the magic of exploration and learning where all the nooks and crannies are for all the collectibles. Havent looked up a guide or anything yet, but I only just got to Lorule.
the perspective has changed since i was a kid, because now all i want to do with games is randomize them then get "good-ish" at them, and to do so i need to learn the game initially.
Finally, someone with common sense. Thank you! Tier lists only mean something in the top 1%, but those angry Demon Hunters don't understand that when they kick my Survival Hunter for not being the correct spec. If you play the spec you love long enough, you can easily outperform flavor of the month players. Imo tierlists are just horrible clickbait because no one seems to know how to properly interpret the data.
100%. I remember to this day when the #1 Hunter in the WORLD when the Nighthold raid was current, was in fact a survival hunter, while they were by all other meta calculations the worst of the worst. PLAY WHAT YOU LOVE! HAVE FUN!
This was a great video, just what I needed to hear. Just subbed again after only playing Dragonflight at launch.
This is the way. Great video.
Great perspective!
The meta is for SUPER HIGH KEYS or hyper cutting edge mythic. You can do anything and EVERYTHING with any class/spec. Play how you want!
The meta is for anyone who wants to engage in it. You just said "Play how you want".
Exactly, it's not even required for HC raiding or KSH
@@ominai1877 Correct? If that's how you want to play, too, then engage that way. I'm not negating that as a choice since, well, I'm not the arbiter of your choices. You do you, friend.
Honestly, no, it's not. Trying to do any reasonable key with off-meta Is a very time consuming chore which the majority can't do, hence why even garbage players follow the meta.
@@shamba4406 I think at the end of the day: it's a choice. If you're not pushing keys beyond a certain point, it works. If you are, then the meta shows what can reasonably do it.
Yeah, bro, you're so right! I'm going to do the same. Great video 😁
Randomly watched a few of these videos today and they're just so charmingly wholesome. They all basically boil down to:
"Hey you"
"Me?"
"Yeah you. Do you remember fun?"
"Aaahhh..."
"Like this. Remember this? This used to be fun, right?"
"Oh yeah! I DO remember that. And it WAS fun!...Man, when was the last time I did a fun?"
"You should do more fun".
"You're right. I should do more fun 😃"
I needed this reminder. Thank you.
This! UA-cam needed this video. My algorithm is flooded with, "What class should you play and what class you should avoid" like who tf cares...I want my vanilla days back. F*** meta.
it existed back then too. Nothing has changed.
Wow has never been more "rewarding" for casual play, and for me a lot of the complaints people have are simply self made prisons.
I play a lot, but have a very casual approach and prioritize enjoyment, and I feel greatly rewarded.
I remember back in vanilla, grinding rocks to finally afford myself one epic mount, personally Im glad those days are over.
A friend of mine would spend all his game time during a week to get buffs for raid night, thats just never been appealing to me.
Wow was even born out of the desire to have a more casual/less punishing systems than the MMOs at the time
Like how the creators mentioned not liking losing EXP for dying.
Even so, there are still those "hard" rewards, out of reach of the "mere casual"; so theres something there for everyone I think.
100%
And that fact alone "There is something for everyone", is why WoW still to this day is the biggest MMO on the market.
i couldnt agree more ,i personally dont care about raids, ilvl and other endgame shit like that , i love going for older achievments , leveling up in the older xpac zones , reading the quests , pet battles , doing older raids for transmog and the lore , i barelly touch the endgame everytime i come back to wow and the chromie scaling system is great , i can go do all the quests in northrend for example and then go do the raids (even tough solo isnt as fun ) to conclude the expansion story but i miss the community part of wow
This was incredible to hear. It’s exactly how I play for all the reasons you mentioned. So wholesome, and while I have always been fine with doing it my own way, seeing this video and all the people who agree makes me feel even better about it
This is how I play too. For FUN. I don’t rush to the end, I enjoy the story. I don’t try to figure out all the systems, I naturally learn them as I come across them. I don’t immediately grab professions just so that I’m not “behind” when I reach end game and need to craft to beat a RAID as fast as possible. I may not even RAID, I may just do delves and solo queue dungeons. I’ll be interested to see what content you release. Subscribed…
EXCELLENT VIDEO!! I agree 100% That's what I have been advocating the last 10 years as content creator!! And as community leader/member I've always try to ensure everyone else was having fun regardless of their playstyle and/or skills at the game. Hence, I'm not queing dungeons anymore, I set them up in the LFG tools (premade groups) with the tags "Newbie welcome" "mistakes are allowed" "kind & patient" Those are my requierements :D
G O D that intro bit hurts my soul. It's exactly some of the stuff that really messed me up, because I wanted to find not what was *the best* but what was *for me*. Nobody talks about it like that!
100% agree with this! Ever since I changed my way of thinking and ignored all the min-maxing meta I started having fun with WoW!
Same. I started doing couple things to actually have fun, and explore the world, and not, to play the meta game.
I don't use HandyNotes for new expansion, until I'm really deep into the patch, and found almost everything myself. I don't check items or places or mysteries, but discover them myself, if.. it's designed in a way, that I can do that without Wowhead's help.
I don't fly from place to place at 1000% speed, just to do all right away, especially at the start of expansion. I walk, I use ground mount, I fly in 'immersive' way, trying to use it when it makes sense, and not literally fly from mob to mob, 10 meters away, to save 1 second. I craft consumables and use them consistently for fun. I explore weird spots, and check every nook and corner. I turn off UI and look around at the vistas. I rp my character, and at times interact with other people.
Currently my vulpera offers drug samples to strangers, by giving away Haste flasks I craft, saying it's 'meth'. Or I use lots of toys and engineering devices to mess with people.
There's lots of fun, if someone avoids the meta, and fine tuning of gameplay. I'm not against it, but doing it right away, when expansion starts is a waste of opportunities. WoW feels the best when everything is a mystery as expansion releases. Why ruin it?
Love this, mi nelf hulking werebear is my fav for fun :)
Refreshing, subscribed
This is how I have played wow for a long time now, I chase account unlocks and transmogs and only go into harder raids if its because theres a cosmetic I really desire, not allowing myself to get caught up in the gear grind which will have a catch up mechanic in 2 months.
Expansion has been solved and it's not even out yet wtf. Great advise man, I needed this.
Great video, thank you. We need to amplify the opinions of people just trying to have fun in the game, instead of top percentage players dictating all of wow’s in game and out of game content.
absolutely, i did the grind and meta chasing in shadowlands and grew very bored and fatigued of it all, i've come back now after missing an expansion and a major lifestyle change with my daughter being born and i haven't looked anything up, i've just played the way i wanted to and i've had so much fun playing that i didn't think was in the game anymore, looking forward to what the future of the expansion brings
Exactly this, man!
Just do whatever is fun for YOU. Play whatever class, race, spec, talents YOU want to. It doesn't even matter unless you're in the 1% of players, anyway.
Love this video. Same way I’ve almost always played wow.
Started at the end of mop and haven’t touched raids except lfr since legion (when I did heroic). Just having fun doing casual open world stuff, collecting old mogs, or leveling alts.
Thank you, I hate the meta and I hate playing what everyone else plays. I don't know how that's fun. I play what race I like, what class I like and what spec I like. Idgaf if it's the "top"
Thank you for this. Just getting back into the game after 4 years being away - and having been through 15 years of multiple class/spec changes, dungeons, raids, and guild drama, I'm ready to just have some fun!
I love Gnomes. But that "you're wrong" just made me lol
Subbed :)
Actually despite the expansion about a week or so away, was considering taking a break because I've worn myself out going hard in Season 4, Remix and the Prepatch.
Yeah i chose to step away for a bit to decompress after DF S3.
Completely burned myself out trying to break R1 for my server every season since legion lol
they almost got me back with Delves cos Im not into grouping anymore but then I thought 💭 there’s no way Im buying the game + subscription to play solo-mode … so I started guild wars 2… lets see how it goes
That is me with my experience in pre-patch.
I chose Disc/Shadow priest and kept feeling indecisive because of certain nerfs or buffs being talked about online..
In the end, I am playing these two specs because I think they look really cool and I want to heal as well as dps for the start of TWW!
I have been approaching more games like this recently. Following the meta can make a smoother experience, but also takes away from the immersion and fun I could of had just doing what I thought was cool!
Mate as a content creator (Mainly about farming for gold in wow) I 100% agree with this, its the same thing on the farming side. do this farm to make x amount of gold at launch.... etc etc etc... so frustrating as we all nerfs will happen right away! Mate, Great video!!! Great Video!!! ❤❤
Totally totally agree, I’ve always mained priest and just enjoyed it through every expansion. Whether it’s meta or crap, just enjoy the game. ITS A GAME.❤
Great video and great advice. It’s nice to see more people playing as they want to, and to see Blizzard actually put content in for those different play styles.
Never in any game do what others want you to do. Play for yourself, its only a game.
Im having fun, last time played wow like 10 years ago.
I just made void elf warlock because it looks cools and i like its theme. I heard that affliction is good, so there is win win for me, but i dont care about meta, just having fun and trying to be the best for myself
Amen! I've dealt with the same pressure in myself and have to remind myself to play for fun or back away from games that I'm not enjoying anymore.
(Saw the length of my rant, so I added a TL;DR at the end of the comment.)
Honestly, some people love to go down the meta route. For them that is fun, and I have nothing but respect for it. But what I want to do is be a big old Ret Pala bitch baby and enjoy myself while I find out how to make it as a spec work for the content that I am personally aiming for. Instead of min maxing by going down the route of choosing a specific spec for the maximum amount of damage as an example, I want to min max by finding out all of the little ways that I can push to be the best that I can in the spec that I want to play. I like the class fantasy of being a big ol' light show, and that is all there is to it.
Otherwise, in terms of content, I personally adore the idea of delves. The fact that the rewards that they give can reach all the way to Heroic Raids is absolutely insane, and I love the fact that they will probably serve as a way to challenge yourself solo as with the mage tower back in Legion, because some people, such as yours truly, simply just don't have enough time to commit to group content on a long-term basis. I want to challenge myself and strive to be a better player, whilst not completely falling behind, and delves are a chance for me to do exactly so. It gives players more choice in terms of the content that they want to do as Mythic+ did all the way back in Legion and has done ever since. I'm excited to have some fun in my own very special way in this very special game that we all share, even if it might not be the best experience always.
(TL;DR: I'm pretty goddamn excited to have some fun in the new expansion, y'all.)
Memento Mori, friend!
This is pretty much the only video about WoW everyone should watch these days
It felt like I was the only one playing for fun with all these ranking videos and meta predictions, until this video.
The "BEST" best Video of all, love it, thy. Do your thing, thats right.
Same. I will play the classes I enjoy, the races I fancy and do the content I relax in or peaks my interest. Each expansion has been a different focus since vanilla. This expansion will be exploring all professions for fun, not for greed, and after 8 years of ignoring instances, I might return to them because they were fun in remix. No mythic, no hardcore, just lfd, lfr. The meta is for the 0.5% top players and I play to relax solo, or laugh with a 72 yr old guildie as we quest together. Cya in TWW 😊.
i love the fantasy of war within maps, it's so dop i've been loving to explore and colect plants in the map
Me and my wife playing only for fun, no hardcore progression or raiding. We are skilling the skills we want and dont join dungeons if they are too hard or makes no fun. We enjoy the story and the beauty of the designed world. Because the story often dont binds you for too long to the game, we play MMORPGs Addon after Addon. If a storyline is finished to a available point, we continue the addon from another game.
I knew I was going to main my warlock again long before watching any tier lists or guides. Really all they've served to do is to either hype me up further, or temper my expectations for how others will react to my class.
Right on, hope you enjoy your time dude. I'm looking forward to playing the expansion the same way myself.
I needed this . I've only just came back from a massive break off WoW and I think I'm going to do this type of playing.
Thank you! I came back to wow a while ago and actually took the time to read the quest texts, what I never did before. It‘s actually fun!
I started playing wow for the first time about a week ago. The very first day I had some friends trying to walk me through the game, which was all good and fun. Then they are trying to get me to download this overlay thing that covers my entire screen in numbers and pictures and junk talking about maximizing their dps and not having downtime. I have just politely been playing by myself and enjoying questing.😅
really good video - I feel the same way. Imagine if DPS-Meters were never implemented via addons - everybody would just play "for fun". In my opinion, DPS-Meters are the worst thing that happened to wow, because it led to endless complaining about nerves and made wow become a damage race.
Good take 🤌
"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of the game."
Or stated another way, "Players spend all their time turning an enchanting virtual world back into a database."
I used to push keys and chase metas like my life depends on it. Invested countless hours and sleepless nights into that game. No more...
At last a video post that makes sense - this has been my wow playstyle since 2004
This video sums it up pretty well, I want to add that I think it's funny people always copy "the perfect pvp build" whilst also checking other builds to know how to counter it.
I myself just experiment a bit around and stick mainly to what works for me, I find often that my strat works as well as these "perfect builds" because people do not expect anything else.
I also started playing a RP server since last year and I'm having a blast, okay yeah some people take it to a whole new level, but transmogs and mounts etc gain so much more meaning when actually playing the RP in RPG.
The loot of the final boss in the Worldsoul Saga in like 6 years in the future should be just a note that says "The real treasure was the fun you had along the way".
Goated guide. Tired of all these youtubers saying "Oh play this WoW or you're doing it wRoNg."
and like that u just wiped out the entire floor with all the rest of the "meta content" creators !!!
keep doing what u are doing.
Here's how I play it: I have one character who plays the main story and another character who plays the side quests. I intent to slowly add more characters to the new zones, so it feels like a group of adventurers (I like to think of them as my "warband" - came up with this myself ^^).
Here are some tips that make the roleplay more fun:
## Change hairstyles and other character details ##
feels like some time has passed since the last adventure with that character, keeps the visuals fresh and makes the character feel more "real", at least to me
## start the expansion with a "bland" transmog ##
I know, we are all CHAMPIONS, but the best feeling for me was those first zones I experienced. This "stranger in an unknown land"-effect really adds to the immersion, especially because it makes you fit into the zone better
## use more "normal" mounts ##
like your faction mounts, the dragonflight drarkes, etc, for the same reason as transmogs
## use slow walking or ground mounts, whenever possible ##
with dragonriding you can cross an entire zone in no time. The reason we remember all those low level zones so well is because it took time to travel through them. And those zones look UGLY. really give yourself time to take in these gorgeous vistas, pluspoints for taking roads and paths instead of running in a straight line to every destination
## embrace distractions ##
Not necessarily a rp tip, but something that prevented me from rushing from quest to quest. if you have gathering profession, try to take all those nodes, or simply all those POIs like chests, etc. If you have crafting, do that in between quests, or just pick an npc and follow them around for a bit.
interspersing different kinds of content makes the whole experience feel "larger" than it would be if you would first grind the story, then grind crafting, then rep, etc. too much of one thing without variety tends to feel straineous and we get fed up with it faster. TWW makes this really easy with Delves, follower dungeons, crafting specializations, etc.
## final tip: write your character's story ##
this is more niche and definitely not for everyone but writing a diary or chronicle of your adventure from the perspective of your character is super fun. I confess, I don't always do it, but I always think about the adventures in form on an episode of a series after a play session. Maybe imagine your character returning to your warband's camp and them talking about what happened to them recently. It's super fun, gives your character and the world more gravitas and who knows, maybe it inspires more, like writing a short story or drawing a comic about these adventures. I've done this since Legion and it made me rediscover wow all over again.
## final final tip/advice ##
Here is the most important thing and it's not what you think.
>> Don't submit yourself to these "rules" (they aren't rules anyways). Forcing yourself to play side quests with a different character when you really wanna continue the story will have the opposite affect and makes it feel like a chore. allow yourself to switch it up if it doesn't feel right. In the end it's a game so play however you want to. There is no right way, nothing is mandatory.
I couldn't agree more! Will be doing the same
Agree, I stopped looking at guides and I try to make sense out of my spec and be the best I can personally can with the talents I put up together. I love hunting transmogs and I'm very happy on clearing the normal raid difficulty.
Most underrated video out there, good job!
Everything has been said, this is the way to play any game, play what you find most fun. thank you!
I feel the same way about a lot of games nowadays, including Helldivers 2. So many people are complaining about the "meta" and balancing but I'm having an absolute blast using unconventional weaponry that I just haven't tried before or think is neat.
Amen! By far best video I've seen in a while!
I think a lot of us look for the "Best" videos not because we want to play the best class but because we want to gauge the scene. I have a DK and hunter alt I want to level second and if one is going to be considerably more fun/accepted/talked about/loved by blizzard then I want the healthier option. It's not so black and white like we all just want to go into an expansion playing the same shit.
When I watch best of videos, it's to see how each individual streamer feels going in. If every one of them put Disc priest at the bottom, maybe it's not the best option out of the gate. You get my point.
EXACTLY what I feel about Wow after 20 years, I reach about m+ 10-12 more or less then that's it.
I 'm having now soo much fun by myself slowly leveling slowly beside rushers who will wait 2 more years for Midnight since they gonna be 80 in about 2 weeks..........
my time as aguild officer in MC back in 2005 are gone and God thanks I grew up like that great game !!!
Have fun guys in TWW !!!
I wholy agree... I thought it was silly that even in an RP server on the launch of Classic people were doing this.
reporting in!
I would love to see you make a longer form video about the topics you are touching on in this video :D
one of the nice things about wow is that every spec is playable up to the highest difficulty. there is no spec that will prohibit a mythic clear if there are two or three in the group. sure mythic +35 or world first require the absolute optimal comp. but these players don't need to watch a UA-cam video to figure that out and could probably beat everyone that does feel the need to follow them with any class anyway
now THIS is a very accurate content! keep it up!
I'm approaching the game like this way now. It's so much better and feel like I'm playing a game instead of always "Not falling behind." This mindset needs to be gone with already with min/maxing and making everyone feel like they need to do it as well.
Add me and we can explore the new zones together!
Ive been p[layng this way since SL. I do easy content for easy IL, then I go explore and play old content overgeared. I hate tanking for groups and I hate healing for groups. Because people suck. Occasionally I get a PuG for legendries or timewalking, then it's back to exploring the old world.
This was me 4 years ago genuinely baffled as to why everyone was so obsessed with playing a different covenant choice to the one they like the best, just because it gives them more DPS. Unless you’re pushing keys or trying to raid mythic, just play what you like the best.
the WoW Playerbase is so brain rotten chasing metas and looking up to the 1% World First Players that they are incapable of playing the game in any other way...
@@stressedoutofexistence663Indeed they think they’re competing with them but they aren’t at all
Cyclical progression has been weighing on us for years!
Love you!! 🤣
TYSM for the content!
GOOD video mate thanks
ok this guy likes warrior because heroic leap is cool.
blizzard: fun detected, action necessary
Sadly this is a time in my life thats gone. I hope you all have fun !
my account was deleted about a year ago and I just came back with a new account. This is probably the best thing I could have done because now I can play the game for fun instead of playing it to keep up with everything and get everything, since I had so many rare things that are no longer available I was just playing to get more rarity value on my account. Now I can start fresh without having to worry about using any legacy transmogg stuff like ashbringer, challange mode armor / weapons, mounts and stuff.
Well presented ❤
This is perfect. Thank you
Well said. I now just delete every video of the kind you mention at the start. My fun is having lots of alts and I spend a lot of time theming them, spec, race, name, transmog etc. I’m looking forward to bringing Hero talents into that mix.
I looked up some of these tier list videos, but only to find what class would fit my playstyle. I've realized I like easier classes that arn't as button spammy. I like healers that feel more classic where you mostly throw out big reactive heals. Those kinds of preview videos were quite helpful so that I can focus on playing a new class or sticking with an existing one that I'll enjoy.
I used to love exploring, questing, collecting achievements, pets and waiting for Huolon to drop the mount, but people kept asking "why is your item level so low?" and I just gave up on the game. I didn't want to have to study to play it, so I just decided it wasn't for me...
This all day. Well said man! 🤙🏻
High end PVPers, raiders and M+s are often complaining about how there's never any fresh blood coming into their communities. I hope they see this and listen. lol
You're obviously correct, the problem starts where community perception and "your fun" clash though.
For raiding it's usually not an issue, you need every class anyways and they're usually balanced good enough + raid buffs/utility help enough.
But M+? Gl getting into groups as a moonkin or destro lock/fire mage under current tuning (beta state) or whatever the perceived meta will be when m+ starts.
This is my main gripe and probably a big reason why tier lists are so popular, people want to game and not stare at the lfg and see -decline -decline -decline -decline -decline for half an hour because they picked "the wrong class".
boosting this kind of content so it hopefully becomes more popular over metaslave content
I like to explore and take my time to read the quest
as a Mythic raider that has seen the ones who sprint, play things they dont want to play, and burn out, your perspective is the one that keeps WoW a healthy experience and not a job.
ive played Shaman for 20 years. I'm still here because I do what I want and stop when its not what I want to do.
Wow, Grid’s still going. A legendary addon.
yup thanks! I feel the same!
I wholeheartedly agree. I'm so over the whole meta thing, I just wanna rp and have fun playing it like an rpg