I agree with all of your sentiments. Yes, the show could have handled the characters better. Just please be respectful of the show and the characters! Thanks
I sure miss Jason Gideon on criminal mind's he was the best and greatest original profiler that ever lived on that show will never be same with out him Mandy Patinkin was born to play that part of Jason Gideon on criminal mind's
And legends never die but like David Ross he was just as good 👍😊 but as not as profiler of a good as Jason Gideon best original profiler was maybe 🤔💭 they by are better in some ways but the opposite Jason Gideon was better and David Rossi made sped getty Gideon had a better Ward robe and stile and had three wives and Gideon had Sarah and one girl friend
Annoys me how everyone handled this. They're all trying to force him to forgive them without giving him time to process the situation. "Hey I know we lied for 10 months but its cool since shes back now, forgive us?" straight up mental manipulation on their part.
Same tbh freaking Steven Universe handled a personal betrayal reaction better and made it last a couple of episodes to show how it affected everyone This isn't something that should've been swept under the rug like it wasn't a huge deal
Uh yeah, cause I'm still not over this betrayal and the show is over ok? Prentice didn't think her friends were DEAD, so mourning 6 was a bit dramatic, and JJ would have let Reid use again. 10 WEEKS? Is a long ass time to go to someone and cry like that and be lied to, the entire time. This would have been a good time to have mental healthcare involved.
She mourned the loss no nobody, she was sad about being separated from 6 friends while Reid mourned the DEATH of a friend and buried her, Emily held onto hope to come back, Reid held onto her casket.
I agree. Not the same, Em, sorry. You mourned losing your friends from your new life. Reid mourned you losing your LIFE. You knew he was alive, he didn't share that luxury about you. Which, once again, shows the massive chasm between television drama and RL drama.
That "you didn't" was wayy too questioning for me. Like for a second she really wasn't sure if he did. Which makes me really wonder if she would've let him use again.
@@jsas2047 How I took his point of asking "What if I used dilaudid again?", and her answer, was he wanted her to wonder if he was. The point of this was she would not have known if he was or not, in my opinion.
You know, I wasn't mad at Jennifer for lying, I understood that she couldn't, but when she goes up and insinuates that Reid is mad because of his profiling skills "failling"... That pissed the fuck out of me, that so out of touch with his feelings Also, don't get me started on Emily's little speech on the plane
I was definitely on Spencer's side especially when he called JJ Jennifer and hated her for a little bit when she made the comment that his profiling skills failed him because he couldn't read Aaron or her. What really should have made them feel guilty was if he had relapsed and gone back to using Dilaudid again as a result of their lies. It sucked that they didn't let Spencer be mad at them longer although I did love the Heid moment that we got where Spencer told Aaron he couldn't be mad at him as he didn't show up to his home crying for 10 weeks.
I don't know if I am thinking too much into this but it kinda seems like jj knew exactly how reid would react and needed him to vent and worked out the best way to do it.
Two of my favourite moments from this clip 1) when Reid glares at JJ. You can see the moment she realizes pushing him isn't a good idea 2) When Spencer calls her "Jennifer" he is 'yelling' at her and that's where she begins to understand how hurt he is
I mean I get what you’re saying but I feel like the word choice is important here she said she mourned the Loss of six which is true she had to cut contact with the 6 people she knows the most, which had to be extremely hard for her but at the same time you’re 100% right her grief and his his grief weren’t the same
I really LOVE how JJ literally blames Reid for not noticing, yeah, it's his profiling skills that are the problem. Don't get me wrong I love JJ and always will, but they shouldn't have done that, and Emily's excuse was stupid. Still love them and always will though. I just hate the people they say Spencer didn't have the right to say those things, which he did
I always viewed it as her deliberatly getting a rise out of him in order to get a response the same way he used his drug addiction to shut her down they both weaponised how well she knows him
@@fundur2816 I do see how both of them are in the wrong, but Reid did have somewhat of a point. If he did go back on his drug addiction they wouldn't have done anything not even J.J since they all knew what he was going through the first time and did nothing. But the way JJ acted like she was in the right all the time and always shut down Reid for getting angry, showing he isn't aloud to be angry at something they couldn't avoid and couldn't tell made me mad. Yes, they didn't tell anyone, but getting angry at Reid of all people (which this always makes me think he might be on the spectrum of how he acts. And a lot of geniuses have shown that they could've also been on the spectrum) for showing his emotions and how he felt, which was rare after season 2. I get why he was only mad at her and not a Hotch, because she went to him for weeks while he was crying over losing a friend, Hotch didn't do that. But I do agree with you. (And sorry that this is really long 😅)
They should have had Morgan being upset alongside Spencer in this episode. Honestly looking back Morgan forgave them way too easily, after all he was the one who strictly tracked down Boyle and made sure his son was ok after Emily death. But idk that’s just me
I agree. It doesn’t seem right that only Reid was upset in “Proof”. Sure Rossi may have now and maybe Garcia was just focusing on the happy, but Morgan and Reid both had great reasons to be affected for weeks if not longer.
Morgan had dealt with a significant death of a family member so maybe knowing that someone had come back was easier for him to accept than it was for Reid. In my opinion it would've made more sense for Reid to either stay angry for longer or for him to forgive quickly, like Morgan did, if it had happened after Maeve's death.
@@natstephens82 Plus, unlike that family member, Prentiss was actually still alive so maybe just the shock and euphoria of that miracle was enough for Morgan to just let it go.
I agree. I also think the writers of the show wanted to show Spencer was an adult and decided to forgive Emily, Hotch and JJ. The writers should have had Spencer angrier a little longer then forgive everyone than just have it wrapped up in one episode.
@@NicolaPaventi Emily and JJ those were the two hours talking about and have my character was in there you can only imagine even though the emotions were not how to say getting in the way of getting the serial killers and God knows what else those friendships weren’t the same But then a couple years I suppose later on a few things are kind of fixed up but the scars still remained plus even though that some of the teams disobeyed orders if I was speaking to some of them and “what about you guys when you thought of Ian and God knows of your other enemies?😠” The cannibal killer the one who murdered Tracy if he escape justice again I would’ve probably killed him if it meant prison it meant prison
same!! they could've at least understood why spencer was so upset and give him time instead of pushing it and acting like he's being unreasonable and childish in his anger. i would've been just as pissed, probably more.
I just watched the episode again and it still amazes me that JJ expected Reid to just forgive her like nothing happened. “Hey I was hoping to do brunch this weekend, even though Hotch and I lied to you for 10 months but let’s act like everything is cool between us.” They played with this kids emotions knowing that he was still feeling the loss even after Prentiss came back. In my opinion, this beef with Reid and the team should’ve lasted like another couple of episodes.
Agreed with the possibility that Reid might suggest leaving the BAU cause if that happened to me I would be so mad that I would at least have it last til season 8 episodes 12 & 13 but that's me
Agreed and the fact that Emily “claimed” she lost 6 friends after Reid buried her body. It was just a big F U to Reid and anybody that sympathizes with her I get it that in that line of work in TV DRAMA it would be a dramatic tool but in the real world now anyone who use staged suicide or death scenarios should might have as well be dead because if you betray my trust and make me believe that you’re dead #GTFO
It’s like when she came back everyone was forced to just forget about it. And in the end Emily was the one who felt more affected, therefore left. The only one who really expressed his real feelings was Spencer. He felt betrayed by the fact that his best friend couldn’t be honest with him even though he showed in how much misery he was in.
In a way I can sort of see both sides..however I'd still side with Reid on this. Because in all fairness, what harm would it have done if he knew? 🤷🏼♂️
Wouldn't be amazing if Reid told Hotch "What makes you think I am not angry at you.. The only reason I am not snapping at you is because you are my boss" It would be funny as hell. Well at least for me.
I would have also thought him handing Erin Straus a request for transfer as he could no longer trust that his direct superviser and team mate 100% as they betrayed his trust on numerous occassions that lead Erin to request the psych eval of the team in the next several episodes.
It makes me angry that Prentis tried to compare her "loss of 6 friends" to Reid's mourning her. she knew they were alive and well and always knew there was a possibility she would see and talk to them again. They thought that was it. they buried her in the ground and would never see her again. idk just doesn't sit right
jj and reid's argument is one of my favorite things because it shows that even though they're super close and are basically best friends, they still have rough patches. it shows that the characters are complex and have their disagreements and that there's more to their friendship than just 'hi we're besties' idk i rlly like it when characters are given depth like this
Except it wasn’t written well and he forgave far too quickly. You can have disagreements for the sake it. I feel that’s more cheap to dangle complexity and depth only to snatch it away.
@@SirenChats I ABSOLUTELY AGREE he totally could have been angry at her for a lot longer than he was, especially since he attaches himself to his friends and trusts them a lot. jj broke that trust and even though he knows it was to protect emily he still has a right to feel betrayed and be angry, even more so because she was the one he went to while he was grieving and she lied to his face every single time.
I always hated how they didn't let Reid have his feelings. Like they almost made him feel like he was a bad kid or something for not immediately forgiving them all. And heaven forbid he is mad at JJ cause oh no we won't have a possible love story if he's mad.
because he had NEVER called her Jennifer. literally NEVER. not privately. not publicly. not EVER. JJ, OF ALL PEOPLE, KNEW THIS ......... that's when she KNEW the break had been reached. (hell, he only did it once more AFTER this)
i don’t know why they just expected reid to just move on so quickly! They should have given him space to process everything and work out his feelings , ESPECIALLY JJ !
The thing that gets me most about this is that the team just kind of expects Reid to get over it. He thought people he cared about had died and the person he trusted most repeatedly lied to him; they did Reid wrong in this one.
"I mourned the loss of six." You'd think a professional in this field would know it's a bad idea to shift to immediately talking about how hard it was for THEM.
What if.. JJ: yo Reid, Emily is alive ok, just keep it a secret, its spy stuff you know, don't tell hotch you know or he'll tear us a new one Reid: yay
To be fair to Hotch and JJ, it was pretty much a no-win situation. The more people who knew, the more dangerous it potentially could've been for Prentiss and for them. But that being said, JJ was rather insensitive towards Reid about this, considering they were supposed to be besties.
I don't know if she could have handled it better but she knew SHE had to get him to let loose his feelings towards her. for HIS sake (first) and for his job performance (a fairly distant second).
I love this series and I know their intentions was to protect Emily but anyone who went "Off Grid" because of personal trauma of a past life... You should never abandon your friends from your new life and handle your dark past alone with old friends from your past. Spencer Reid was betrayed indefinitely and had every right to be mad at JJ because She and Hotch were in on it and she have the nerve to go after him by his profiling skills, he trusted her with his life and could've went to his Dilaudid addiction again but the real pain was the fact that JJ, Hotch, and Emily claimed that "they had no choice" Everyone has as choice but; Prentiss: She chosed to take on her dark past alone which followed back home. Hotch: Made the decision to stage her death and hid it from their team. JJ: Kept it from the one person that who trusted her, and she attacked claiming that Spencer "couldn't manage our perception so you couldn't detect our deception" If I was Reid I would go ballistic telling her what said but I would be claiming that Prentiss is dead and that stranger is talking to Derek is not her. I would also mad at everyone else thinking how can they live on thinking they could move on but I won't. They might say "Sorry" loudly and consistently as they want, I don't know if I could but I will never forget!!
I know this is supposed to be about Reid and his right to be hurt and betrayed by the person he trusted the most. But I ended up laughing at Hotch and Rossi’s scene here 😂
I think Reid should've kept being angry longer, they basically had this one single episode of him holding grudge and then he moved on, only once making a remark about "oh, so you were really dead for a moment" during that episode with resuscitation. It's not very realistic, imho, not with Reid at least. He should've stay mad for days, weeks, months maybe. Would be also nice for a change - he has a work to do, and he loves his work, so imagine half a season of them working together while also trying to work with the fact that one member of the team is pretty angry about his teammates, for good personal reasons, even if work-wise it was justified to hide Emily's death. Besides, Reid is good at keeping secrets, he mentioned in s1 that people usually entrust him with them. They could've sat him down and talk to him right after the hospital and say "hey, look, she's alive but we need to pretend she's not". Unlike how it happened when Maeve died, it seems like Reid kept showing up for work etc, so I don't think people who don't know him would actually notice much difference if he would know about Emily being alive. Overall, yeah, I don't like how the show handled Reid in this situation.
I think he let the team off way too easly, especially J.J. The team needed to let Reid handle it in his own way and he had every right to his emotions and how he delt and felt about them.
Seeing the comments and yes the team was hurt. But it was to protect Emily. It came with the job. They knew what they were signing up for joining the BAU. Hell it happened to hailey and jack during the reaper section. This was no different. Everyone is just pissed off because unlike hailey, Emily didn’t really die. You all know how much JJ cares for Reid. They are best friends for god sake. We know if she could tell him she would. But to keep one friend safe yes she had to lie. I agree JJ shouldn’t have said what she did but she’s also frustrated. I was upset with what happened but I also understood why. How would you feel if someone was out to kill you, if you had the means to fake your death and start new would you? I would. Losing my old life is worth not losing my life life. But I guess that’s just me.
Yes I agree with this. He has a right to be upset, but ppl need to stop being so mad at JJ bc she and hotch did what they had to do to keep her safe. It was a sucky situation all around but it had to be done. I understand what she said wasn’t the best but to be honest he should’ve put that aside just for a bit and worked the case instead of making passive aggressive comments while on the job. I would be frustrated too. And the thing about the dialudid wasn’t right to say either in my opinion too bc it was like he was essentially guilt tripping her as to say well if u would’ve told me I wouldn’t have thought about it so it’s your fault I almost did which isn’t really fair bc she already still feels survivor’s guilt over the Tobias situation. So I say that to say that his feelings are justify but ppl gotta stop being so harsh on JJ as well. And spoilers but I’m happy in season 13 he acknowledged what JJ and hotch had to do for Emily when Emily had to do the same thing for him in a way when he went to prison
That was kind of annoying s friend is a friend it shouldn’t matter if it was 1 or 20 that pain is still there…. Even though I get why they did it I don’t think they were cool about it
My take on this is that both sides have valid points. I don't think JJ's the bad guy for doing what she felt she needed to do to keep Emily safe and I don't think Reid's the bad guy for feeling hurt and betrayed by her choices. The only thing I am critical of is the way Reid handles the situation. He has the right to feel hurt and angry, and he has the right to take space from JJ if that's what he needs but taking pot shots at her while they're trying to their job was unfair.
THIS!!!! He’s an FBI agent and while they’re human they need to maintain a professional attitude while they’re in the field. If he kept his comments to Quantico or the hotel sure that wouldn’t be a problem. The issue is he took those pot shots in the field.
Main reason why "Proof" is one of my favorite episodes: Spencer's anger and JJ's annoyance to it was subtle. They didn't fight from the get-go. They deliberately drop statements that from the surface it sounds appropriate for the reply but if you look at it it's pointed at each other. Like when JJ said something about the Unsub (I forgot the exact context) Spencer butted in with a "wonder what it's like". And another discussion about said Unsub, when JJ said "and instead of dealing with the problem, he's acting out", she subtly glared at Spencer, who looked away. Stellar acting from Matthew and AJ.
A lot of people commenting here clearly have no idea what it’s like to work in any kind of military/secret service. There’s some secrets that must be kept even from operatives when dealing with a major incident. They have a right to be annoyed but the decision made was not to hurt or antagonise them, but to protect them
I've seen this happen with a lot on American shows and movies. The female takes zero accountability for hurting the male's emotions, disregards his feelings and then goes on to gaslight him into feeling guilty.
The Emily reveal was ruined for me because I watch with subtitles so when JJ met "the mysterious woman" in Paris the subtitles just went Prentiss: "thanks"
Reid acted like a child, instead of a highly trained FBI agent. This was done for Emily’s safety, as well as the teams. Period. He needs to put his big boy pants on and stop throwing a tantrum.
I’m gonna be so real, it’s their job. regardless of them hiding it for however long or whatever a persons back story is. If it’s apart of their job description, being upset longer wouldn’t make sense for a bau type show. Maybe it’s because I am in the criminal justice/criminology world to understand that Reid was acting like a child. Y’all are just looking at it as your fav character being wronged.
Every member of the team understands the need for information security, particularly in a situation where a person's life is in grave danger and the location and identity must be kept secret. Nobody should know who doesn't need to know. It's basic security. They all know it. However, it's easy to understand the concept and entirely different when those security decisions affect you. Every one of them naturally thought, at least at first, that they should've been the exception, that they needed to know. And they were all wrong. Honestly, the hardest part of this plotline was knowing that Hodge and JJ knew all along. They knew Emily was alive and yet they couldn't tell anyone about it. They had to watch their friends grieve and had to fake their own grief. And they had to know that eventually Emily would resurface and their friends would feel betrayed ... and they were right. Most of them wrongfully felt betrayed to some degree.
The moment JJ loses the argument is when she decides to be incredibly callous instead of understanding. Because while they did do what they needed to, Reid and the rest were still betrayed by it. They were still being used as well. Was it a necessary evil? One could argue, but mostly yes. However, that still doesn't change that it was all lies. JJ couldn't handle being the bad guy, which is something she absolutely should've been prepared to be when dealing in a deception like this. Instead, she acted like a cheerleader who couldn't handle being put down by the nerd, so She lashed out. Reid was being passive-aggressive as hell, which he was well within his right to be, and JJ made it a pissing contest.
Gods the acting was strong then eh? The way hotch immediately just lays it out on the table no beating around the bush or sugar coating. Morgans little stutter step once he processes all the information. Reids subtle and almost hurt phrasing and Garcias eyes ughhh just so many fucking actors doing their job damn good. Rossi sitting and processing while also watching everyone else. And when Morgan issues, yeah i got issues. God i dont think any other regular show will compare
Tbh I wanted Reid not to show up and for them to play this out longer and mabey have him go away for 6 months as a undercover job and when he comes back he gets shot and before he gose into sugary ask for JJ
For everyone saying Emily's argument was bull "I mourned the loss of six." Yeah she wasn't talking about the BAU. She was talking about the team she investigated Doyle with. Every single person she spent years with, worked with. Everyone but one, that british dude can't remember his name. All of them were brutally murdered by Doyle for revenge and she had to watch helplessly till she snapped and went after him by herself which shows that she wasn't thinking straight. And yes Reid did have a right to feel his feelings but Emily really did have no choice at the possible risk that Doyle might come after the BAU too. It couldn't have been easy for JJ either having to watch her best friend suffer and not being able to do anything because this is in fact the life of an FBI agent when they're in witness protection. They can't have any contact with anyone lest they encite the possibility of costing their loved ones their lives. Remember what happened with Hailey? And what could've happened to Jack had he not hidden himself in the trunk? That was also a possibility that could've happened if Emily hadn't maintained radio silence at all times so I understand all perspectives on this matter which is what I think Reid understood as well at the end of the day because he knows all the agents that worked with Emily were dead and she couldn't even bury their bodies like they did with her she just had to watch and then run so she wouldn't be connected to them and end up Doyle's next victim.
I hate how they handled it…Reid had every right to be mad…and emilys spreech at the Plane was…shit! Why is there a difference if you are sad about one friend or six friends? thdy lied to him for 10 weeks! He cried about her death…and now they think, a half hearted i‘m sorry from JJ can fix it? Nope! and i wished he didn‘t showed up at the end of the Episode…they should at least let him 10 weeks be mad…😢😢😢😢😅😅😅😅😅 And what JJ said about his skills…was a really petty low blow!!!
I just wish they would’ve fooled the audience, too. Not give us the ending Paris scene letting us know she was alive. This reveal would’ve been so much more gut wrenching. They also didn’t let the anger and disgust and the issue of this gaping hurt the team long enough. I’d be mad, disgusted, sad, etc etc etc and it would take me some time to figure it out. All while wrestling with the fact that I was lied to and should be angry but also my friend is still alive… that would fuck with me for some time. The issue with wanting to reconnect and be happy but also wondering if my anger is justified.
He forgives way too quickly!!!! Oh I am so mad at J.J. and Emily. And they Rossi and Hotch act (in a way) like Reid is the problem. I love angry Reid, but parts of this episode makes my blood boil.
People are disliking the way the other characters handled it. I personally think that Spencer was rationally upset and not. He shouldn’t have been mad at just JJ. Also yea he has to grieve and everything but it’s apart of the job
Everyone knew Spencer was mad ... specifically at JJ and Prentiss ... but he just didn't know HOW to release it. We can disagree on HOW JJ did it ... but hell, there wasn't a "right" way for it to happen, and YES, THE TEAM NEEDED SPENCER TO RELEASE IT. JJ knew that she HAD to lie to Spencer to protect Spencer cuz the BAU WAS Prentiss' family after he got her people from Interpol on American soil ... so there NEVER was gonna be an easy out for this.
The argument of losing six friends to Reid’s one makes no sense… she knew they were alive where as Reid was lead to believe she was dead.. it’s not an equivalence.. it’s like they are saying to Reid.. your anger is not real or justified….
When you have to start a whole new life, in a whole new country, and you believe you will never see the ones you love ever again, they might as well be dead.
Off topic ik but, was Rossi supposed to be cooking a Carbonara at the end? If he really wanted to make the original Italian recipe he should have known it's not made with pancetta but with guanciale and not parmesan but with pecorino. If you want to correct other people on how they cook at least do it the right way Rossi! 🤔😂
The BAU can spot some of the most ruthless liars in the country. In turn, they are gifted liars themselves. How could they not tell the whole team and keep it a secret?
“Temperature suggestion” Jesus like you could come up with a better lie Aaron what a champ temperature suggestion maybe one day I’ll give you guys a temperature suggestion
I personally felt like Morgan had a much better reason to be upset at both Hotch and JJ... he literally held her IN HIS ARMS before she "died". And then he mourned her death and we got no side of that for him. They put so much of that focus on Reid and JJ and like I get it but Morgan has a better excuse and it would've made more sense. They also can't corner a guy with the memory of Reid and expect him to just FORGET?
Y'all got to understand that Emily faked her death in order to protect herself and her team, JJ should not be crucified for following orders however she was wrong to assume reid was mad because he couldn't detect their deception. The person that should be catching heat is unit chief Aaron Hotchner because it was his orders and decision to fake Emily's death and deliberately lie to the team. Me personally I don't think hotch did anything wrong it was strictly need to know and he did it to protect one of his own and possibly national security. That's why Morgan wasn't so upset because he recognized and understood why hotch made the decision and I also do want to point out that hotch did take accountability for his actions regarding Prentiss. Reid was emotionally upset with jj because he was crushing on her but he has to understand that she was just doing her job and couldn't disobey a direct order pertaining to Emily's fake death.
"We determine who we are by what we do, I believe that's what makes us HUMAN!" Katia Van Dees ('portrayed by Hannah Ware/Hitman; Agent #47') This episode of season 7 really pissed me off personally because Emily and JJ thought things can go back to the ways things are... WRONG! Me personally I would do more than give them the cold shouder I would pretend that I don't know them and when JJ made the assumption about Reid's profiling skills; BAD MOVE Reid's emotional reason explained it all although I would've have Reid show more emotion and maybe shed a tear because I felt his pain in that episode but again that's my honest opnion but I know he could never stay mad at them both but Emily should know she had friends and family there in D.C. she should never forget that and always should treasure the people that's in her life.
I know people are mad at Prentiss and JJ here, but like... every WORD they speak I hear the writers trying to justify their own plots 🤣 This was a cruel thing for them to do to the whole team, but since the writers didn't know if CBS was gonna hire Paget back or not, they needed to get rid of her without killing her AND they needed to justify her absence from the team. Prentiss loved the team too much to want to leave it, and we all know it. So they faked Prentiss's death to enable her to leave but WITHOUT creating plots where the rest of the team would go looking for her, trying to help her. They knew Paget was fired, but they also knew that CBS might change their minds later (like they clearly did immediately) and would need a nice way to bring Prentiss back. I will COMPLETELY AGREE with the sentiment that they glossed over it all too fast, they made the team get over it and move on FAR FAR too fast. But it felt to me like the writers wanted to pretend this never happened... like, the ENTIRETY of Paget's and AJ's firing 😅 like they wanted to gloss over it and return to the norm now that Paget was back, but that was doing a disservice to the characters, because they didn't get to process anything that happened from it. This is one of my biggest criticisms of CM as a whole honestly. LET YOUR CHARACTERS PROCESS THINGS. LET THEM SIT WITH THINGS. Don't just move on to the next horrible, traumatizing thing immediately! I know CM is a very episodic show, but like LET YOUR CHARACTERS FEEL THEIR EMOTIONS. And HOLY SHIT GET THEM THERAPY.
I mean it's cute everyone thinks JJ should have told Reid and that she was in the wrong and how could he have just forgiven her but that's an emotional only POV that puts lives in danger. This was the safest and only way for Emily. Also 10000% valid for Spencer to feel that way and JJ got it wrong not understanding why he feels what he does, but saying Spence shouldn't have forgiven her gives lack of credit to Reid who also will beneath all that hurt and betrayal understand why JJ did what she did and understand how the system works. Everyone here was valid and no one here acted perfectly which is entirely understandable and ok because life is full of contradicting experiences that can and do coexist together.
I remember this. I always thought Reid should have took off for a while. Yes definitely be angry but took off just for a bit so he could process everything
What is interesting is they are flapping around Reid, not for him but to assuage their own guilt. It’s interesting to watch and well written. The key thing is, someone with Reid’s mindset would never have gone to the cookery thing. He’d have shut them out for much much longer.
everything in this show happens way too quickly and i hate it. i totally agree with the comments about wanting to see the need for a longer season. literally when JJ got shot the team acted like they didn’t gaf. only Reid went to see her in the hospital. i hate itttt. and the fact that Hotch doesn’t show emotion
I agree with all of your sentiments. Yes, the show could have handled the characters better. Just please be respectful of the show and the characters! Thanks
I sure miss Jason Gideon on criminal mind's he was the best and greatest original profiler that ever lived on that show will never be same with out him Mandy Patinkin was born to play that part of Jason Gideon on criminal mind's
And legends never die but like David Ross he was just as good 👍😊 but as not as profiler of a good as Jason Gideon best original profiler was maybe 🤔💭 they by are better in some ways but the opposite Jason Gideon was better and David Rossi made sped getty Gideon had a better Ward robe and stile and had three wives and Gideon had Sarah and one girl friend
Nope.
Shut up
dont post things on the internet and immediately say "hey be respectful". If you feel the need to say that then don't post it.
Annoys me how everyone handled this. They're all trying to force him to forgive them without giving him time to process the situation. "Hey I know we lied for 10 months but its cool since shes back now, forgive us?" straight up mental manipulation on their part.
Same tbh freaking Steven Universe handled a personal betrayal reaction better and made it last a couple of episodes to show how it affected everyone
This isn't something that should've been swept under the rug like it wasn't a huge deal
Uh yeah, cause I'm still not over this betrayal and the show is over ok? Prentice didn't think her friends were DEAD, so mourning 6 was a bit dramatic, and JJ would have let Reid use again. 10 WEEKS? Is a long ass time to go to someone and cry like that and be lied to, the entire time. This would have been a good time to have mental healthcare involved.
Lol 😂 very true!
Exactly!!!
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So did Amphibia
She mourned the loss no nobody, she was sad about being separated from 6 friends while Reid mourned the DEATH of a friend and buried her, Emily held onto hope to come back, Reid held onto her casket.
I agree. Not the same, Em, sorry. You mourned losing your friends from your new life. Reid mourned you losing your LIFE. You knew he was alive, he didn't share that luxury about you.
Which, once again, shows the massive chasm between television drama and RL drama.
It's entirely possible that she may not have ever seen them again. She was in danger the whole time Doyle was loose.
I agree they shouldn't be rushing Reid to forgive
wait she didn’t actually die?
@@taylorazureeee Hotch and JJ fake her death to save her from a relentless killer from her past.
Prentiss argument makes zero sense they should have at least made Reid stay mad for half a season
Absolutely!
I don't know why but reid mad makes me happy!!
I agree they should have
He has no right to be angry...
@@neilsiebenthal9254 in my point of view he has the right to be angry and bitter
“what if i went on dilaudid again?”
“but you didn’t”
THIS TEAM WAS SO MEAN SO REID ISTFG
@Kellie Nguyen not at all. That’s all on JJ and Hotch. If you believe that you truly don’t understand human emotions.
That "you didn't" was wayy too questioning for me. Like for a second she really wasn't sure if he did. Which makes me really wonder if she would've let him use again.
@@jsas2047
How I took his point of asking "What if I used dilaudid again?", and her answer, was he wanted her to wonder if he was. The point of this was she would not have known if he was or not, in my opinion.
Weak comeback, JJ. What if he did? You didn't answer that.
You know, I wasn't mad at Jennifer for lying, I understood that she couldn't, but when she goes up and insinuates that Reid is mad because of his profiling skills "failling"... That pissed the fuck out of me, that so out of touch with his feelings
Also, don't get me started on Emily's little speech on the plane
I was definitely on Spencer's side especially when he called JJ Jennifer and hated her for a little bit when she made the comment that his profiling skills failed him because he couldn't read Aaron or her. What really should have made them feel guilty was if he had relapsed and gone back to using Dilaudid again as a result of their lies. It sucked that they didn't let Spencer be mad at them longer although I did love the Heid moment that we got where Spencer told Aaron he couldn't be mad at him as he didn't show up to his home crying for 10 weeks.
I don't know if I am thinking too much into this but it kinda seems like jj knew exactly how reid would react and needed him to vent and worked out the best way to do it.
Two of my favourite moments from this clip
1) when Reid glares at JJ. You can see the moment she realizes pushing him isn't a good idea
2) When Spencer calls her "Jennifer" he is 'yelling' at her and that's where she begins to understand how hurt he is
That was low for JJ to say that. Plus if he got mad at Hotch and there were witnesses, he could lose his job. So no, he can't be mad at him.
Indeed. The fact that Aaron doesn't reply showed that Reid got a point.
Lol agreed she has not the brains nor profiling skills Reid has likevhe said the only reason he couldn't read her was because of trust.
I hate Prentiss. "You mourned the death of a friend, I mourned the death of six", bull. At least she knew they were alive, not murdered by a sociopath
I was just thinking that and its so true like at least she knew they were alive
Exactly.
Exactly!! Like that doesn't make Reid's pain any less real or deep. And also it is completely not even the same thing!
@@delaneyheidt2846 exactly
I mean I get what you’re saying but I feel like the word choice is important here she said she mourned the Loss of six which is true she had to cut contact with the 6 people she knows the most, which had to be extremely hard for her but at the same time you’re 100% right her grief and his his grief weren’t the same
I really LOVE how JJ literally blames Reid for not noticing, yeah, it's his profiling skills that are the problem. Don't get me wrong I love JJ and always will, but they shouldn't have done that, and Emily's excuse was stupid. Still love them and always will though. I just hate the people they say Spencer didn't have the right to say those things, which he did
u rlly love??
@@reemm290 ???
I always viewed it as her deliberatly getting a rise out of him in order to get a response the same way he used his drug addiction to shut her down they both weaponised how well she knows him
@@fundur2816 I do see how both of them are in the wrong, but Reid did have somewhat of a point. If he did go back on his drug addiction they wouldn't have done anything not even J.J since they all knew what he was going through the first time and did nothing. But the way JJ acted like she was in the right all the time and always shut down Reid for getting angry, showing he isn't aloud to be angry at something they couldn't avoid and couldn't tell made me mad. Yes, they didn't tell anyone, but getting angry at Reid of all people (which this always makes me think he might be on the spectrum of how he acts. And a lot of geniuses have shown that they could've also been on the spectrum) for showing his emotions and how he felt, which was rare after season 2. I get why he was only mad at her and not a Hotch, because she went to him for weeks while he was crying over losing a friend, Hotch didn't do that. But I do agree with you. (And sorry that this is really long 😅)
They should have had Morgan being upset alongside Spencer in this episode. Honestly looking back Morgan forgave them way too easily, after all he was the one who strictly tracked down Boyle and made sure his son was ok after Emily death. But idk that’s just me
I agree. It doesn’t seem right that only Reid was upset in “Proof”.
Sure Rossi may have now and maybe Garcia was just focusing on the happy, but Morgan and Reid both had great reasons to be affected for weeks if not longer.
Morgan had dealt with a significant death of a family member so maybe knowing that someone had come back was easier for him to accept than it was for Reid. In my opinion it would've made more sense for Reid to either stay angry for longer or for him to forgive quickly, like Morgan did, if it had happened after Maeve's death.
@@natstephens82 Plus, unlike that family member, Prentiss was actually still alive so maybe just the shock and euphoria of that miracle was enough for Morgan to just let it go.
4:03
Reid-“Emily was buried 6 feet under and wounded up in Paris so I guess anything is possible right”
Me- GODDAMNNNN😮💨😮💨😮💨
JJ: Charms quite the killer
Reid: So are tears.
Me: REIDS SARCASM BRAINCELLS ARE ON FYREEEE
I hated just about everyone except Spencer in this episode
I agree. I also think the writers of the show wanted to show Spencer was an adult and decided to forgive Emily, Hotch and JJ. The writers should have had Spencer angrier a little longer then forgive everyone than just have it wrapped up in one episode.
I don’t forgive easily to 2 out of 3
@@NicolaPaventi Emily and JJ those were the two hours talking about and have my character was in there you can only imagine even though the emotions were not how to say getting in the way of getting the serial killers and God knows what else those friendships weren’t the same
But then a couple years I suppose later on a few things are kind of fixed up but the scars still remained plus even though that some of the teams disobeyed orders if I was speaking to some of them and “what about you guys when you thought of Ian and God knows of your other enemies?😠” The cannibal killer the one who murdered Tracy if he escape justice again I would’ve probably killed him if it meant prison it meant prison
same!! they could've at least understood why spencer was so upset and give him time instead of pushing it and acting like he's being unreasonable and childish in his anger. i would've been just as pissed, probably more.
Which episode is this?
I just watched the episode again and it still amazes me that JJ expected Reid to just forgive her like nothing happened. “Hey I was hoping to do brunch this weekend, even though Hotch and I lied to you for 10 months but let’s act like everything is cool between us.” They played with this kids emotions knowing that he was still feeling the loss even after Prentiss came back. In my opinion, this beef with Reid and the team should’ve lasted like another couple of episodes.
Agreed with the possibility that Reid might suggest leaving the BAU cause if that happened to me I would be so mad that I would at least have it last til season 8 episodes 12 & 13 but that's me
Agreed and the fact that Emily “claimed” she lost 6 friends after Reid buried her body. It was just a big F U to Reid and anybody that sympathizes with her
I get it that in that line of work in TV DRAMA it would be a dramatic tool but in the real world now anyone who use staged suicide or death scenarios should might have as well be dead because if you betray my trust and make me believe that you’re dead #GTFO
Yesss!! 100% agree!!!
I mean 💀 they had no choice
@@SunnyP-lk6ik They had a choice lol.
It’s like when she came back everyone was forced to just forget about it. And in the end Emily was the one who felt more affected, therefore left. The only one who really expressed his real feelings was Spencer. He felt betrayed by the fact that his best friend couldn’t be honest with him even though he showed in how much misery he was in.
I hate how spencer forgave them so easily I feel like they would need to build back some trust I would hate my friends if they did something like that
i wish they would have kept on with reid being mad at jj idk why it just made it way more interesting
Me too
This just goes on the long list of "things with Reid and JJ that are super-interesting but never got explored properly"-ideas
In a way I can sort of see both sides..however I'd still side with Reid on this. Because in all fairness, what harm would it have done if he knew? 🤷🏼♂️
Wouldn't be amazing if Reid told Hotch "What makes you think I am not angry at you.. The only reason I am not snapping at you is because you are my boss" It would be funny as hell. Well at least for me.
I was waiting for that
I would have also thought him handing Erin Straus a request for transfer as he could no longer trust that his direct superviser and team mate 100% as they betrayed his trust on numerous occassions that lead Erin to request the psych eval of the team in the next several episodes.
It makes me angry that Prentis tried to compare her "loss of 6 friends" to Reid's mourning her. she knew they were alive and well and always knew there was a possibility she would see and talk to them again. They thought that was it. they buried her in the ground and would never see her again. idk just doesn't sit right
It is SO not the same thing. I agree with you.
I love angry Reid, but got really frustrated with how the rest of the team acted.
jj and reid's argument is one of my favorite things because it shows that even though they're super close and are basically best friends, they still have rough patches. it shows that the characters are complex and have their disagreements and that there's more to their friendship than just 'hi we're besties'
idk i rlly like it when characters are given depth like this
Except it wasn’t written well and he forgave far too quickly. You can have disagreements for the sake it. I feel that’s more cheap to dangle complexity and depth only to snatch it away.
Exactly I think it should have been a multi episode arc instead of a one episode write off
@@SirenChats I ABSOLUTELY AGREE he totally could have been angry at her for a lot longer than he was, especially since he attaches himself to his friends and trusts them a lot. jj broke that trust and even though he knows it was to protect emily he still has a right to feel betrayed and be angry, even more so because she was the one he went to while he was grieving and she lied to his face every single time.
Any longer then fans would have started labeling the show is a soap opera.
I always hated how they didn't let Reid have his feelings. Like they almost made him feel like he was a bad kid or something for not immediately forgiving them all. And heaven forbid he is mad at JJ cause oh no we won't have a possible love story if he's mad.
I would be so mad at someone for faking their death and then trying to guilt trip me,tbh they did reid dirty SMH 😤
When he called her "Jennifer", you see her face change 😢
because he had NEVER called her Jennifer.
literally NEVER.
not privately.
not publicly.
not EVER.
JJ, OF ALL PEOPLE, KNEW THIS ......... that's when she KNEW the break had been reached.
(hell, he only did it once more AFTER this)
"Hey, i know we lied to you for months, but don't be mad at us. Now let me emotionally blackmail you."
- Prentiss
Reid had every right to be mad. They basically forced his forgiveness. Emily basically filled him into it with the ulcer comment.
Yupp she did & that pissed me off
I will NEVER ship them because of this.
Jennifer had no right to treat him this way.
Blaming his intelligence?
“I don’t have a house I have a mansion”
If that’s true why did I not steal or become a serial killer to get something like that😏
I have a box.....with 4 sides
@@sinaimuse6562 i have a box with 6 sides 😏
i don’t know why they just expected reid to just move on so quickly! They should have given him space to process everything and work out his feelings , ESPECIALLY JJ !
he had a right to be angry but jj and hotch did the right thing, they put emily’s safety first, it was just handled badly when she came back
I know my comment is laaaaate but her face when reid called her Jennifer
The thing that gets me most about this is that the team just kind of expects Reid to get over it.
He thought people he cared about had died and the person he trusted most repeatedly lied to him; they did Reid wrong in this one.
The bau we fight crime lock up criminals profile people and emotionally manipulate the genius with our selfishness we're amazing aren't we 😌
"I don't have a house, i have a mansion." Gotta love Rossi 😂
"He's acting out."
That _look!_ "Don't you f--king start with me."
Ngl, Ried had every right to be angry.
"I mourned the loss of six."
You'd think a professional in this field would know it's a bad idea to shift to immediately talking about how hard it was for THEM.
Look I didn’t get this far in the show But I do know when Reid said Jennifer instead of JJ that hit me hard
Literally her face was like oh and everything
cuz he had NEVER called her anything BUT JJ to that point.
@@dhinton1 I know but still
What if..
JJ: yo Reid, Emily is alive ok, just keep it a secret, its spy stuff you know, don't tell hotch you know or he'll tear us a new one
Reid: yay
Nah facts 😭
5:31 that glare Spencer gave her oh shit
To be fair to Hotch and JJ, it was pretty much a no-win situation. The more people who knew, the more dangerous it potentially could've been for Prentiss and for them. But that being said, JJ was rather insensitive towards Reid about this, considering they were supposed to be besties.
I don't know if she could have handled it better but she knew SHE had to get him to let loose his feelings towards her. for HIS sake (first) and for his job performance (a fairly distant second).
Love the show but the fallout from this event should have lasted longer and they never really addressed dereks anger about it Eder
Yes! Absolutely 💯
I love this series and I know their intentions was to protect Emily but anyone who went "Off Grid" because of personal trauma of a past life... You should never abandon your friends from your new life and handle your dark past alone with old friends from your past.
Spencer Reid was betrayed indefinitely and had every right to be mad at JJ because She and Hotch were in on it and she have the nerve to go after him by his profiling skills, he trusted her with his life and could've went to his Dilaudid addiction again but the real pain was the fact that JJ, Hotch, and Emily claimed that "they had no choice" Everyone has as choice but;
Prentiss: She chosed to take on her dark past alone which followed back home.
Hotch: Made the decision to stage her death and hid it from their team.
JJ: Kept it from the one person that who trusted her, and she attacked claiming that Spencer "couldn't manage our perception so you couldn't detect our deception"
If I was Reid I would go ballistic telling her what said but I would be claiming that Prentiss is dead and that stranger is talking to Derek is not her. I would also mad at everyone else thinking how can they live on thinking they could move on but I won't.
They might say "Sorry" loudly and consistently as they want, I don't know if I could but I will never forget!!
He's so passive aggressive 🙄. 😆
Addiction is so real. Anything can trigger it to flare up. Especially the death of a friend. This team did Spence soooo dirty
I know this is supposed to be about Reid and his right to be hurt and betrayed by the person he trusted the most. But I ended up laughing at Hotch and Rossi’s scene here 😂
5:48 "You know what I think it is?"
"I'm about to destroy your entire career."
You can see jj break when Reid called her Jennifer. He has all right to be mad at her
I think Reid should've kept being angry longer, they basically had this one single episode of him holding grudge and then he moved on, only once making a remark about "oh, so you were really dead for a moment" during that episode with resuscitation. It's not very realistic, imho, not with Reid at least. He should've stay mad for days, weeks, months maybe. Would be also nice for a change - he has a work to do, and he loves his work, so imagine half a season of them working together while also trying to work with the fact that one member of the team is pretty angry about his teammates, for good personal reasons, even if work-wise it was justified to hide Emily's death.
Besides, Reid is good at keeping secrets, he mentioned in s1 that people usually entrust him with them. They could've sat him down and talk to him right after the hospital and say "hey, look, she's alive but we need to pretend she's not". Unlike how it happened when Maeve died, it seems like Reid kept showing up for work etc, so I don't think people who don't know him would actually notice much difference if he would know about Emily being alive.
Overall, yeah, I don't like how the show handled Reid in this situation.
I think he let the team off way too easly, especially J.J. The team needed to let Reid handle it in his own way and he had every right to his emotions and how he delt and felt about them.
I feel for Reid
He confided in a friend over the mourning of another
And yet he was kept in the dark until it was brought to light
Makes you feel better JJ I hate you too😒to be fair both of you disappointed me
Seeing the comments and yes the team was hurt. But it was to protect Emily. It came with the job. They knew what they were signing up for joining the BAU. Hell it happened to hailey and jack during the reaper section. This was no different. Everyone is just pissed off because unlike hailey, Emily didn’t really die. You all know how much JJ cares for Reid. They are best friends for god sake. We know if she could tell him she would. But to keep one friend safe yes she had to lie. I agree JJ shouldn’t have said what she did but she’s also frustrated. I was upset with what happened but I also understood why. How would you feel if someone was out to kill you, if you had the means to fake your death and start new would you? I would. Losing my old life is worth not losing my life life. But I guess that’s just me.
Yes I agree with this. He has a right to be upset, but ppl need to stop being so mad at JJ bc she and hotch did what they had to do to keep her safe. It was a sucky situation all around but it had to be done. I understand what she said wasn’t the best but to be honest he should’ve put that aside just for a bit and worked the case instead of making passive aggressive comments while on the job. I would be frustrated too. And the thing about the dialudid wasn’t right to say either in my opinion too bc it was like he was essentially guilt tripping her as to say well if u would’ve told me I wouldn’t have thought about it so it’s your fault I almost did which isn’t really fair bc she already still feels survivor’s guilt over the Tobias situation. So I say that to say that his feelings are justify but ppl gotta stop being so harsh on JJ as well. And spoilers but I’m happy in season 13 he acknowledged what JJ and hotch had to do for Emily when Emily had to do the same thing for him in a way when he went to prison
Does anyone else find Prentiss to be a little annoying?
very annoying
That was kind of annoying s friend is a friend it shouldn’t matter if it was 1 or 20 that pain is still there…. Even though I get why they did it I don’t think they were cool about it
JJ: Charme quite the Killer
Reid: So are tears
My take on this is that both sides have valid points. I don't think JJ's the bad guy for doing what she felt she needed to do to keep Emily safe and I don't think Reid's the bad guy for feeling hurt and betrayed by her choices. The only thing I am critical of is the way Reid handles the situation. He has the right to feel hurt and angry, and he has the right to take space from JJ if that's what he needs but taking pot shots at her while they're trying to their job was unfair.
THIS!!!! He’s an FBI agent and while they’re human they need to maintain a professional attitude while they’re in the field. If he kept his comments to Quantico or the hotel sure that wouldn’t be a problem. The issue is he took those pot shots in the field.
@@DarkProtector Exactly it was so unprofessional.
yes exactly.
He should have been angrier for longer
Main reason why "Proof" is one of my favorite episodes:
Spencer's anger and JJ's annoyance to it was subtle. They didn't fight from the get-go. They deliberately drop statements that from the surface it sounds appropriate for the reply but if you look at it it's pointed at each other. Like when JJ said something about the Unsub (I forgot the exact context) Spencer butted in with a "wonder what it's like". And another discussion about said Unsub, when JJ said "and instead of dealing with the problem, he's acting out", she subtly glared at Spencer, who looked away. Stellar acting from Matthew and AJ.
A lot of people commenting here clearly have no idea what it’s like to work in any kind of military/secret service. There’s some secrets that must be kept even from operatives when dealing with a major incident. They have a right to be annoyed but the decision made was not to hurt or antagonise them, but to protect them
Reid serves in neither of those environments and is younger than all of them.
When he called her Jennifer 😢
I've seen this happen with a lot on American shows and movies. The female takes zero accountability for hurting the male's emotions, disregards his feelings and then goes on to gaslight him into feeling guilty.
The Emily reveal was ruined for me because I watch with subtitles so when JJ met "the mysterious woman" in Paris the subtitles just went
Prentiss: "thanks"
LO fucking L💀💀😂 damn
To be fair, it's so obvious that it's Prentiss when she walks off.
JJ knew Spencer was really mad at her when he called her Jennifer
Reid acted like a child, instead of a highly trained FBI agent. This was done for Emily’s safety, as well as the teams. Period. He needs to put his big boy pants on and stop throwing a tantrum.
I’m gonna be so real, it’s their job. regardless of them hiding it for however long or whatever a persons back story is. If it’s apart of their job description, being upset longer wouldn’t make sense for a bau type show. Maybe it’s because I am in the criminal justice/criminology world to understand that Reid was acting like a child. Y’all are just looking at it as your fav character being wronged.
Every member of the team understands the need for information security, particularly in a situation where a person's life is in grave danger and the location and identity must be kept secret. Nobody should know who doesn't need to know. It's basic security. They all know it. However, it's easy to understand the concept and entirely different when those security decisions affect you. Every one of them naturally thought, at least at first, that they should've been the exception, that they needed to know. And they were all wrong.
Honestly, the hardest part of this plotline was knowing that Hodge and JJ knew all along. They knew Emily was alive and yet they couldn't tell anyone about it. They had to watch their friends grieve and had to fake their own grief. And they had to know that eventually Emily would resurface and their friends would feel betrayed ... and they were right. Most of them wrongfully felt betrayed to some degree.
The moment JJ loses the argument is when she decides to be incredibly callous instead of understanding. Because while they did do what they needed to, Reid and the rest were still betrayed by it. They were still being used as well.
Was it a necessary evil? One could argue, but mostly yes. However, that still doesn't change that it was all lies.
JJ couldn't handle being the bad guy, which is something she absolutely should've been prepared to be when dealing in a deception like this. Instead, she acted like a cheerleader who couldn't handle being put down by the nerd, so She lashed out.
Reid was being passive-aggressive as hell, which he was well within his right to be, and JJ made it a pissing contest.
Gods the acting was strong then eh? The way hotch immediately just lays it out on the table no beating around the bush or sugar coating. Morgans little stutter step once he processes all the information. Reids subtle and almost hurt phrasing and Garcias eyes ughhh just so many fucking actors doing their job damn good. Rossi sitting and processing while also watching everyone else. And when Morgan issues, yeah i got issues. God i dont think any other regular show will compare
Tbh I wanted Reid not to show up and for them to play this out longer and mabey have him go away for 6 months as a undercover job and when he comes back he gets shot and before he gose into sugary ask for JJ
You have it all planned out lol
For everyone saying Emily's argument was bull "I mourned the loss of six." Yeah she wasn't talking about the BAU. She was talking about the team she investigated Doyle with. Every single person she spent years with, worked with. Everyone but one, that british dude can't remember his name. All of them were brutally murdered by Doyle for revenge and she had to watch helplessly till she snapped and went after him by herself which shows that she wasn't thinking straight. And yes Reid did have a right to feel his feelings but Emily really did have no choice at the possible risk that Doyle might come after the BAU too. It couldn't have been easy for JJ either having to watch her best friend suffer and not being able to do anything because this is in fact the life of an FBI agent when they're in witness protection. They can't have any contact with anyone lest they encite the possibility of costing their loved ones their lives. Remember what happened with Hailey? And what could've happened to Jack had he not hidden himself in the trunk? That was also a possibility that could've happened if Emily hadn't maintained radio silence at all times so I understand all perspectives on this matter which is what I think Reid understood as well at the end of the day because he knows all the agents that worked with Emily were dead and she couldn't even bury their bodies like they did with her she just had to watch and then run so she wouldn't be connected to them and end up Doyle's next victim.
I hate how they handled it…Reid had every right to be mad…and emilys spreech at the Plane was…shit! Why is there a difference if you are sad about one friend or six friends? thdy lied to him for 10 weeks! He cried about her death…and now they think, a half hearted i‘m sorry from JJ can fix it? Nope! and i wished he didn‘t showed up at the end of the Episode…they should at least let him 10 weeks be mad…😢😢😢😢😅😅😅😅😅 And what JJ said about his skills…was a really petty low blow!!!
I just wish they would’ve fooled the audience, too. Not give us the ending Paris scene letting us know she was alive. This reveal would’ve been so much more gut wrenching.
They also didn’t let the anger and disgust and the issue of this gaping hurt the team long enough. I’d be mad, disgusted, sad, etc etc etc and it would take me some time to figure it out. All while wrestling with the fact that I was lied to and should be angry but also my friend is still alive… that would fuck with me for some time. The issue with wanting to reconnect and be happy but also wondering if my anger is justified.
I love seeing a character acting out of character.
He forgives way too quickly!!!!
Oh I am so mad at J.J. and Emily.
And they Rossi and Hotch act (in a way) like Reid is the problem.
I love angry Reid, but parts of this episode makes my blood boil.
People are disliking the way the other characters handled it. I personally think that Spencer was rationally upset and not. He shouldn’t have been mad at just JJ. Also yea he has to grieve and everything but it’s apart of the job
Everytime JJ talked, Reid made a comment about how he feeled. And I loved it
Everyone knew Spencer was mad ... specifically at JJ and Prentiss ... but he just didn't know HOW to release it. We can disagree on HOW JJ did it ... but hell, there wasn't a "right" way for it to happen, and YES, THE TEAM NEEDED SPENCER TO RELEASE IT. JJ knew that she HAD to lie to Spencer to protect Spencer cuz the BAU WAS Prentiss' family after he got her people from Interpol on American soil ... so there NEVER was gonna be an easy out for this.
The argument of losing six friends to Reid’s one makes no sense… she knew they were alive where as Reid was lead to believe she was dead.. it’s not an equivalence.. it’s like they are saying to Reid.. your anger is not real or justified….
When you have to start a whole new life, in a whole new country, and you believe you will never see the ones you love ever again, they might as well be dead.
Perhaps but she still knew they were alive ..
Ya know, I realize CBS was attempting to clean up their shit, but in no universe is this how you handle telling people about this.
Off topic ik but, was Rossi supposed to be cooking a Carbonara at the end?
If he really wanted to make the original Italian recipe he should have known it's not made with pancetta but with guanciale and not parmesan but with pecorino.
If you want to correct other people on how they cook at least do it the right way Rossi! 🤔😂
The BAU can spot some of the most ruthless liars in the country. In turn, they are gifted liars themselves. How could they not tell the whole team and keep it a secret?
Three things:
1) JJ’s hair looks so good this season
2) She looks more like a JJ then a Jennifer
3) When he calls her Jennifer, it’s so sad
I'm surprised that Morgan wasn't mad and that they didn't allow Spencer to stay mad for longer.
It didn't make sense how fast they moved on from this.
“Temperature suggestion”
Jesus like you could come up with a better lie Aaron what a champ temperature suggestion maybe one day I’ll give you guys a temperature suggestion
Tempered, not tempurature.
I personally felt like Morgan had a much better reason to be upset at both Hotch and JJ... he literally held her IN HIS ARMS before she "died". And then he mourned her death and we got no side of that for him. They put so much of that focus on Reid and JJ and like I get it but Morgan has a better excuse and it would've made more sense.
They also can't corner a guy with the memory of Reid and expect him to just FORGET?
Reid should have been angry with Emily as well too. JJ was only doing her job
“I don’t have a house I have a mansion!”
Reid deserved to be mad for longer
Y'all got to understand that Emily faked her death in order to protect herself and her team, JJ should not be crucified for following orders however she was wrong to assume reid was mad because he couldn't detect their deception. The person that should be catching heat is unit chief Aaron Hotchner because it was his orders and decision to fake Emily's death and deliberately lie to the team. Me personally I don't think hotch did anything wrong it was strictly need to know and he did it to protect one of his own and possibly national security. That's why Morgan wasn't so upset because he recognized and understood why hotch made the decision and I also do want to point out that hotch did take accountability for his actions regarding Prentiss. Reid was emotionally upset with jj because he was crushing on her but he has to understand that she was just doing her job and couldn't disobey a direct order pertaining to Emily's fake death.
"We determine who we are by what we do, I believe that's what makes us HUMAN!"
Katia Van Dees ('portrayed by Hannah Ware/Hitman; Agent #47')
This episode of season 7 really pissed me off personally because Emily and JJ thought things can go back to the ways things are... WRONG! Me personally I would do more than give them the cold shouder I would pretend that I don't know them and when JJ made the assumption about Reid's profiling skills; BAD MOVE Reid's emotional reason explained it all although I would've have Reid show more emotion and maybe shed a tear because I felt his pain in that episode but again that's my honest opnion but I know he could never stay mad at them both but Emily should know she had friends and family there in D.C. she should never forget that and always should treasure the people that's in her life.
I know people are mad at Prentiss and JJ here, but like... every WORD they speak I hear the writers trying to justify their own plots 🤣 This was a cruel thing for them to do to the whole team, but since the writers didn't know if CBS was gonna hire Paget back or not, they needed to get rid of her without killing her AND they needed to justify her absence from the team. Prentiss loved the team too much to want to leave it, and we all know it. So they faked Prentiss's death to enable her to leave but WITHOUT creating plots where the rest of the team would go looking for her, trying to help her. They knew Paget was fired, but they also knew that CBS might change their minds later (like they clearly did immediately) and would need a nice way to bring Prentiss back. I will COMPLETELY AGREE with the sentiment that they glossed over it all too fast, they made the team get over it and move on FAR FAR too fast. But it felt to me like the writers wanted to pretend this never happened... like, the ENTIRETY of Paget's and AJ's firing 😅 like they wanted to gloss over it and return to the norm now that Paget was back, but that was doing a disservice to the characters, because they didn't get to process anything that happened from it. This is one of my biggest criticisms of CM as a whole honestly. LET YOUR CHARACTERS PROCESS THINGS. LET THEM SIT WITH THINGS. Don't just move on to the next horrible, traumatizing thing immediately! I know CM is a very episodic show, but like LET YOUR CHARACTERS FEEL THEIR EMOTIONS. And HOLY SHIT GET THEM THERAPY.
Reid has serious abandonment issue, they can't possibly have thought about that not playing a factor in her return.
I was mad about them withholding from the Team too but eventually all that mattered was that Emily was alive!!
I mean it's cute everyone thinks JJ should have told Reid and that she was in the wrong and how could he have just forgiven her but that's an emotional only POV that puts lives in danger. This was the safest and only way for Emily. Also 10000% valid for Spencer to feel that way and JJ got it wrong not understanding why he feels what he does, but saying Spence shouldn't have forgiven her gives lack of credit to Reid who also will beneath all that hurt and betrayal understand why JJ did what she did and understand how the system works. Everyone here was valid and no one here acted perfectly which is entirely understandable and ok because life is full of contradicting experiences that can and do coexist together.
I agree with this completely.
@@eriksnation231totally agree but jj telling Reid that his skills as profiler failed was verry unfair
lying to someone who sees you as their best friend for 10 months straight, about something that serious. That's messed up
I remember this. I always thought Reid should have took off for a while. Yes definitely be angry but took off just for a bit so he could process everything
Swear this is the episode where I thought Morgan was going to kill hotch
What is interesting is they are flapping around Reid, not for him but to assuage their own guilt.
It’s interesting to watch and well written.
The key thing is, someone with Reid’s mindset would never have gone to the cookery thing. He’d have shut them out for much much longer.
The way she reacted when he called her "Jennifer" ouch.
everything in this show happens way too quickly and i hate it. i totally agree with the comments about wanting to see the need for a longer season. literally when JJ got shot the team acted like they didn’t gaf. only Reid went to see her in the hospital. i hate itttt. and the fact that Hotch doesn’t show emotion
i feel that's a different thing cuz it happened at an causal day a work. but with the thing with Prentiss was a worse case situation.
I remember the first episode of this season
'Hey let's put Emily in the intro.'
Yeah, good idea to surprise viewers😂