Booster glaive was my handle of choice too. I used the bone saw blade or the dancers blade depending on how i was feeling. Bone saw is pure damage, dancers is crazy mobility.
that's funny, I was messing around with weapon combos for my technique build and found that the booster glaive handle/puppet axe combo was the most fun
Booster glave heavy attack is game changing. Being able to close distance and strike before triggering their aggro or their attack animation is so clutch. As soon as I found it and tested it's move set I was like oh yeah this is my weapon.
If you're gonna use the Twin Dragon Sword, I'd look to specialize in doing perfect guards and add P-Organ abilities that help bonuses for perfect guards like the repair durability for perfect guards (since the Counter charge attack also counts as a perfect guard) on phase 6. I'd switch arm of god amulet to Conquering Amulet, then switch the Legion Magazine effect enhances to throwable increases (never sleep on throwables even if you're specced to motivity or technique, they're still OP). Then again, I'd rather have a secondary legion arm like falcon eyes (for an extra ranged damage attack) or Left Arm of Steel (to break through enemy guards/blocks) over a second weapon.
I can also raccomand the cook knife handle, natural tecnic scale, sword moveset, little knife weight.. combine any long weapon. Result: hole in the screen
I fell in love with the booster glaive as soon as its name popped up when i was in decomposition right next to the future machine. I put the bone saw blade on it for maximum range, destroying any groups of enemies, but the axe is also great I didnt even bother trying anything else, not even the dragon blade, despite it being the objectively best weapon in the game
I find it disgusting how little damage fatal attacks on bosses do in this game. You're better off running behind boss after stagger and use heavy charged attack.
My build as follows (NG+ only): technique and motivity. Proof of Humanity as weapon (does crit dmg and high base dmg). Amulets: Arm of god amulet, puppet destroyer (depending on enemies), extreme modification, assassin's, patience. Fable art increases crit chance, whetstone increases crit chance =90% crit chance. This build melts like I've never seen before
Love this build, used it during my playthrough! Almost to the T honestly kinda scary, only difference is by the time i finished my NG+2 I almost had every last P-Organ activated. Minus extra weapon and legion arm slots. And honestly i completely forgot about fable arts after my first day playing so i never used them so i never got the extra fable slot upgrades either
Get extra fabLe slots then use the extreme modification amulet, gives you like a 20% attack bonus, stacked with carcass/puppet, and arm of god and conquering amulet, you can get like 70% attack bonus
Same for me , booster glave handle and LPAB ! I didn't use puppet string on the first play through ! I missed out on that but I found the falcon eyes usefull ! When I seen it in use , I have used it on NG1 upto half way now
Hola😊. Según tu experiencia en este juego, qué build consideras mas rota para alcanzar con éxito NG+? La build que me recomiendes, la buscaré en tu canal. Muchas gracias.
It's so annoying that you can only max two boss weapons per playthrough and have to wait until the end of ng+ before you can do another. I just went into ng+ and have enough for one more weapon but can't decide if i want to do two dragon sword, proof of humanity, Covenant spear or golden lie 😁
@@lacesensor3358the covenant spear is probably the best choice it has one of if not the best damage outputs in the game the other choice would be twin dragon sword it’s my favorite weapon and you can get even higher damage output with that but the learning curve is oretty big trying to learn how to parry with the l2 I’m in new game 4 right now I’ve used almost all boss weapons but imo those two are the best I would recommend the covenant unless you want to sweat your balls off with the twins lol
Arm of god is tricky. It gives you 15% bonus but only when you score 4 hits almost in a row, which makes it pretty useless on bosses because you can do 1-2 hits only and then you have to evade and lose "combo".
from the math I did of where you put your stats, I calculated that your level 102. the game is usually beaten at level 70-80 from what I read. funny thing is that all level-based RPGs are easy because you can out scale the level curve. I'm on chapter 5 about to face the brotherhood and I'm level 61. im using your build but i am going to go well beyond level 102 by the time I beat the game.
Best amulets are extreme modification boosts attack with full fabLe, gives 20% attack increase, plus fuocos amulet can't remember the name but gives attack bonus after perfect guard, it's like a 30% bonus or 50% bonus next hit or something. Could be getting thousands of damage
Good video. But im kinda wondered if a actual quality build would be best in the game after a certain stat number say 40 on technique u get almost no returns. But if u make it the handle advance then u can get scaling from strength advance and technique. It would be D for strength D for Advance and A for technique but u get more stat returns imo. I reset my character earlier and went all technique like you and i lost damage output so i switched back to quality. I guess if ur a lower lv its good to go a certain stat only but end game or ng+ idk if it makes sense. Im talking about 2 dragons sword of course btw. Good video especially p organs im sure alot of people out there dont know what to choose especially ng
Advance scaling only helps if your blade has innate element damage like fire or acid. In that case it will raise your fire or acid damage. It dosnt do anything to physical
in my opinion technique is better cause of the variety of blade/handle combinations. you can use slashing weapons, stabbing weapons, slow weapons that deal insane dmg in a few hits, fast weapons that have crazy dps, access to the best 2 boss weapons in the game (two dragons sword and trident of the covenant), crazy good handles like the dancers curved sword, booster glaive, the very underestimated tyrant dagger etc... the variety is just endless. motivity just doesnt have that. yeah sure police baton handle and explosive pickaxe. much wow very crazy
Why don't you use marauder's dagger and this needle from last boss? you should also use amulet that gives you dmg depending on amount of fable slots you have as it gives 5% for every slot if i'm not mistaken
What is the difference between motivity and technique? If I upgrade motivity and use double dragon sword, it will be weak? Compare to upgrade technique and double dragon sword? Please someone explain it
@@sherrardgraham7301 before i didn’t know that if i have technique weapon,i need to level up Tecnique. So if i reset and level up technique and use technique weapon, will it be better than Motivity level up and technique weapon?(thats what i did before) probably i did wrong 😬
I've been struggling with the 2nd version of the swamp monster boss. His attacks drain SO much health. And it doesn't give me enough time to rejuvenate with a pulse cell.
Nah best technique weapon combination/ best weapon is the bone cutting saw blade combined with the dancers curved sword handle it is the only weapon you need for a technique build
Dancers curved sword hands is where it's at. I use the fire infused greatsword with it forget what it's called but cause of the move set of the handle applys overheat fast asf. I'm gonna try the bone cutting saw
Is it really that good? I haven't tried this combo yet. I beat the game first time with a tech build but I used the frost boss weapon at +3 and I beat the game with that.
@jonvance3527 sweet thanks I'll have to try it out then. I struggled with the twin dragon just not my style lol but I really enjoy the frost blade. It's slow kinda but hits hard.
Nice video man! Just finished the game using a technique 'build' (just upgraded technique and used the weapons that i liked XD) i used the scythe 50% of the game. Anyway, thx for the help with the video! But just a stupid question? where do u get that outfit? i fuckin love it
I accidentally used the ergo for the dual sword first play through.. I went to the merchant to see what the weapon was and that’s when I noticed I couldn’t get it. 😡
Is there any difference between phases? like i can unlock the same thing in phase 1 and phase 2, so is there any difference between them? I thought there isnt any difference
question: why did you upgrade the charge stagger of heavy R2? twin dragons r2 sucks ass and i suspect you only use heavy r2 on the glave handle to prock the stagger once its available, so when do you actually use R2's to create the staggers? unless you actually spam r2 parry into heavy r2 punishes
Wait how is your p-organ that different? Did you change your shape?? It's not even organized the same way. Some of those aren't even options for mine, like rising dodge and a fifth amulet slots aren't even options for me
Same. Just picked it up since it went on a bit of a sale. LOTF was ok, disappointing bosses, weird story. I think LoP will be completely different experience.
Hello dude thanks for the video, really helpfull! I have a noob question, so if i wanna use a Technique weapon i shouldn't put any poins in motivity right? Dont need to level up both motivity and technique as the same points?
“Very late game and new game +” should be in the title, I’m still following the build but i won’t even be able to use the weapons until the literal end of the game.
Lies Of P - S TIER MOTIVITY Build Guide! (BEST Stats, Weapons, Amulets, P-Organs)
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So this build is a good valance of both strength and dexterity? Because I got the game I'm aiming for a build the is In between
Please I need help in the
PLEASE I DONT KNOW HOW TO USE THE ATTACK LINK;PLEASE HELP ME!!!
Booster glaive was my handle of choice too. I used the bone saw blade or the dancers blade depending on how i was feeling. Bone saw is pure damage, dancers is crazy mobility.
Your weapon choice, Live puppets Axe Blade with the Booster Glaive Handle absolutely destroyed the black rabbit second fight..
Really versatile weapon overall!
that's funny, I was messing around with weapon combos for my technique build and found that the booster glaive handle/puppet axe combo was the most fun
Right? It’s so versatile
Booster glave heavy attack is game changing. Being able to close distance and strike before triggering their aggro or their attack animation is so clutch. As soon as I found it and tested it's move set I was like oh yeah this is my weapon.
If you're gonna use the Twin Dragon Sword, I'd look to specialize in doing perfect guards and add P-Organ abilities that help bonuses for perfect guards like the repair durability for perfect guards (since the Counter charge attack also counts as a perfect guard) on phase 6. I'd switch arm of god amulet to Conquering Amulet, then switch the Legion Magazine effect enhances to throwable increases (never sleep on throwables even if you're specced to motivity or technique, they're still OP). Then again, I'd rather have a secondary legion arm like falcon eyes (for an extra ranged damage attack) or Left Arm of Steel (to break through enemy guards/blocks) over a second weapon.
Thanks for the tip 👍🏻
Awesome video. The puppet string can also help us to 'jump' over dangerous cliffs as long as there is an enemy on other side.
Good tip! Thanks for watching 🙏
I tried that and i fell. 😅
@@jericcarino 🤣
Came back to this game for a technique build recently. Been loving the dragon glaive
I can also raccomand the cook knife handle, natural tecnic scale, sword moveset, little knife weight.. combine any long weapon. Result: hole in the screen
I fell in love with the booster glaive as soon as its name popped up when i was in decomposition right next to the future machine. I put the bone saw blade on it for maximum range, destroying any groups of enemies, but the axe is also great
I didnt even bother trying anything else, not even the dragon blade, despite it being the objectively best weapon in the game
I just recently tried the Shovel handle and bone saw blade and it’s amazing 🔥
Dancer handle is great too
Just about exactly the build I'm using now. Loving this game!
Such an incredible game 🔥
Love it my friend! What a great overall vid. I've been thinking about getting lies of p, and you sold me! :)
You should! It’s a great game! So far it’s my game of the year 😁
I find it disgusting how little damage fatal attacks on bosses do in this game. You're better off running behind boss after stagger and use heavy charged attack.
You make a good point 🤔
Use p organ. There are several upgrades that help with fatal ATK.
That's true but fatal attacks also remove their current hp regen, which I find comes in handy more often than not
I usually do fatal attack with p organ upgrades then do fable as they are getting up
@@JimboSlice02 i get it, but mine pretty much fills up only by looking at it . Perfect guard for instance, way more fable arts charges for that
My build as follows (NG+ only): technique and motivity. Proof of Humanity as weapon (does crit dmg and high base dmg). Amulets: Arm of god amulet, puppet destroyer (depending on enemies), extreme modification, assassin's, patience. Fable art increases crit chance, whetstone increases crit chance =90% crit chance. This build melts like I've never seen before
Since they updated it so that you have rising dodge for free, what node did you replace with that?
Love this build, used it during my playthrough! Almost to the T honestly kinda scary, only difference is by the time i finished my NG+2 I almost had every last P-Organ activated. Minus extra weapon and legion arm slots. And honestly i completely forgot about fable arts after my first day playing so i never used them so i never got the extra fable slot upgrades either
Great minds think alike!
Get extra fabLe slots then use the extreme modification amulet, gives you like a 20% attack bonus, stacked with carcass/puppet, and arm of god and conquering amulet, you can get like 70% attack bonus
personally I love using the salamander dagger blade with the rapier handle, its fast damage with flame build-up
Same for me , booster glave handle and LPAB ! I didn't use puppet string on the first play through ! I missed out on that but I found the falcon eyes usefull ! When I seen it in use , I have used it on NG1 upto half way now
Btw that arm naturally pulls enemies towards you. Trace ability pulls you towards them
You’re right! Sorry about that
My build since the first second in Kart ❤
Hola😊. Según tu experiencia en este juego, qué build consideras mas rota para alcanzar con éxito NG+? La build que me recomiendes, la buscaré en tu canal. Muchas gracias.
Psst, the Falcon Eye arm is good for Motivity Builds. Dont sleep on it, it's really good.
Nice! Im running a tech build. The twin dragon blade is a almost game breaking once you get that R2 parry down
Definitely. Big learning curve though! Thanks for watching btw 🙏
It's so annoying that you can only max two boss weapons per playthrough and have to wait until the end of ng+ before you can do another. I just went into ng+ and have enough for one more weapon but can't decide if i want to do two dragon sword, proof of humanity, Covenant spear or golden lie 😁
@@lacesensor3358 all of those weapons are great I don’t think there’s a wrong choice
@@lacesensor3358the covenant spear is probably the best choice it has one of if not the best damage outputs in the game the other choice would be twin dragon sword it’s my favorite weapon and you can get even higher damage output with that but the learning curve is oretty big trying to learn how to parry with the l2 I’m in new game 4 right now I’ve used almost all boss weapons but imo those two are the best I would recommend the covenant unless you want to sweat your balls off with the twins lol
@@roycecarter4663 Thanks for the reply, i will do the spear.
You just had to show the almost last boss in the beginning of the video lmao? Idc i just beat it, but that's absolutely wild man...
Crazy how close i was to this build. Only difference was i switched the live axe for the big wrench pipe.
Arm of god is tricky. It gives you 15% bonus but only when you score 4 hits almost in a row, which makes it pretty useless on bosses because you can do 1-2 hits only and then you have to evade and lose "combo".
from the math I did of where you put your stats, I calculated that your level 102. the game is usually beaten at level 70-80 from what I read. funny thing is that all level-based RPGs are easy because you can out scale the level curve. I'm on chapter 5 about to face the brotherhood and I'm level 61. im using your build but i am going to go well beyond level 102 by the time I beat the game.
nice build, nice video! does it matter what ability i put in what node?
I really like the move set on the azure dragon glaive , I just need dark moon moonstones and there's barely any in the beginning
The 2 dragon R1 R2 R1 combo is amazing also dude I love it
Best amulets are extreme modification boosts attack with full fabLe, gives 20% attack increase, plus fuocos amulet can't remember the name but gives attack bonus after perfect guard, it's like a 30% bonus or 50% bonus next hit or something. Could be getting thousands of damage
Did they update the game or something? In phase 2 they changed rising dodge with a pulse cell ability.
I imagine so. I think Rising Dodge is part of the core set now.
Hey man, new player. What do you think are the current best weapons? Thanks! Great vids
Pistol rock and clock sword handle. Crit grind stone and crit amulet. Enjoy the shred 🔥
Dragon sword or the scythe... i like them both sooo much which should i use😊
Great video! How do you get 5 amulet slots?
You’ll need to unlock it in the P organs as you progress 👍🏻 might need to reach NG+ to get five
@@ColdBwoyy I had to check, the extra amulet slot was changed for an extra weapon slot in some patch... What a boomer!
@@ColdBwoyy finally found the right answer; 5th slot comes with P organ phase 7, I just started NG+ so I gotta wait until reaching NG++
Good video. But im kinda wondered if a actual quality build would be best in the game after a certain stat number say 40 on technique u get almost no returns. But if u make it the handle advance then u can get scaling from strength advance and technique. It would be D for strength D for Advance and A for technique but u get more stat returns imo. I reset my character earlier and went all technique like you and i lost damage output so i switched back to quality. I guess if ur a lower lv its good to go a certain stat only but end game or ng+ idk if it makes sense. Im talking about 2 dragons sword of course btw. Good video especially p organs im sure alot of people out there dont know what to choose especially ng
Advance scaling only helps if your blade has innate element damage like fire or acid. In that case it will raise your fire or acid damage. It dosnt do anything to physical
This is cool I also like the booster glave, as for the sword I pretty sure most people like.
I am late to the show, there must have been some updates as in phase 2 there is no longer rising dodge. Any suggestions?
ignore it and get something else. like higher pulse recovery in phase 3
Whats goodie Cold…..sup with D2 when you going back to it?
Never 👎🏻 Games dead
@@ColdBwoyy 🤣
@@daricanzfinest😂
I do like me some booster glaive handle but I prefer to use to long ass saw as it looks better and has pretty fable charge attack.
Hey, just started my first playthrough on Lies of P. Thanks for the build guide, looks very impressive, looking forward to trying this one out!
How did you play with these weapons in early game? Is there an option that allow you to play one more time without starting a new game?
What did u start with those balance or dexeterity
These are the best build videos ive seen for LoP. Would you say this build is overall stronger than the Motivity one?
Thanks! Tbh they’re both good it just depends on your playstyle.
Gotcha! Thanks for the quick response
@@Vagabond_FGC technique does offer a bit more speed compared to motivity but it definitely packs a punch. It’s sort of a double edged sword.
in my opinion technique is better cause of the variety of blade/handle combinations. you can use slashing weapons, stabbing weapons, slow weapons that deal insane dmg in a few hits, fast weapons that have crazy dps, access to the best 2 boss weapons in the game (two dragons sword and trident of the covenant), crazy good handles like the dancers curved sword, booster glaive, the very underestimated tyrant dagger etc... the variety is just endless. motivity just doesnt have that. yeah sure police baton handle and explosive pickaxe. much wow very crazy
which initial path do you need to take for this
Dose it really matter what class you choose in the begining to max out damage ..or is it soley dependent on what stats you upgrade
Starting class doesn’t matter too much tbh
what weapon should i use prior to getting those weapons?
what do you think about the puppet ripper?
Very good weapon 👍🏻
Sooo being very new could I use the booster glaive handle for the early great sword option for a little more damage and range??
Why don't you use marauder's dagger and this needle from last boss? you should also use amulet that gives you dmg depending on amount of fable slots you have as it gives 5% for every slot if i'm not mistaken
Uber guide, so ty!
Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
I just got booster handle last night wow trivializes common mobs. It put it on the electric staff thing for now to deal with puppets
Good idea 💪🏼
the electric staff what?
What is the difference between motivity and technique? If I upgrade motivity and use double dragon sword, it will be weak? Compare to upgrade technique and double dragon sword? Please someone explain it
Motivity is more geared towards strength and big weapons
Technique is more geared towards
Dexterity and quick weapons
@@sherrardgraham7301 before i didn’t know that if i have technique weapon,i need to level up Tecnique. So if i reset and level up technique and use technique weapon, will it be better than Motivity level up and technique weapon?(thats what i did before) probably i did wrong 😬
@@xaqansger3610if both mot and teq are same level most weapons get worse when changing handle type and there's only 1 or 2 dmg difference
Keep VIT at 20 and use the rest of the points in capacity try get below 30% equip load for a true speedy dex build :)
I've been struggling with the 2nd version of the swamp monster boss. His attacks drain SO much health. And it doesn't give me enough time to rejuvenate with a pulse cell.
Yo go so fast in p organ I have watched it a few times damn
How do you skip the phases of the organs?
What NG+ are you on?
Confused cause I followed some of your p-organ and I don’t have 5 amulet slots but I’m only on Ng+
NG +2 just recently started it 👍🏻
@@ColdBwoyyawesome thanks, such a cool concept to keep rewarding players for playing again.
do u have to upgrade 2 phase 6 p organs and then respec to skip the phase 6 itself?
Yes 👍
@@ColdBwoyy ok got it
How are you able to skip phases for the P-organ? Mine are locked is this done in NG+?
Nah best technique weapon combination/ best weapon is the bone cutting saw blade combined with the dancers curved sword handle it is the only weapon you need for a technique build
Facts
Dancers curved sword hands is where it's at. I use the fire infused greatsword with it forget what it's called but cause of the move set of the handle applys overheat fast asf. I'm gonna try the bone cutting saw
Is it really that good? I haven't tried this combo yet. I beat the game first time with a tech build but I used the frost boss weapon at +3 and I beat the game with that.
@@rensakikatsu9028 yes the combo is really that good
@jonvance3527 sweet thanks I'll have to try it out then. I struggled with the twin dragon just not my style lol but I really enjoy the frost blade. It's slow kinda but hits hard.
how do you have 30 capacity like you state in the STATS at the start but have 142/220kg weight with 65% slightly heavy?!
Is it bad that I'm in ng+2 and way over these levels stats?
Not at all! I just didn’t want to see too powerful so I stopped leveling
You should have the conqueror’s amulet if you use two dragon sword
Nice video man! Just finished the game using a technique 'build' (just upgraded technique and used the weapons that i liked XD) i used the scythe 50% of the game. Anyway, thx for the help with the video!
But just a stupid question? where do u get that outfit? i fuckin love it
Secret vendor named subject 826!
I accidentally used the ergo for the dual sword first play through.. I went to the merchant to see what the weapon was and that’s when I noticed I couldn’t get it. 😡
Is there any difference between phases? like i can unlock the same thing in phase 1 and phase 2, so is there any difference between them? I thought there isnt any difference
how u overpassed the phase 3? lol.. nice video btw
How do you projetc yourself towards the enemy
Ok I haven't found an answer to this anywhere but I don't have rising dodge in my phase 2 perk group. Any thoughts about this?
Built in know I think I also don’t have phase 6 - 7
question: why did you upgrade the charge stagger of heavy R2? twin dragons r2 sucks ass and i suspect you only use heavy r2 on the glave handle to prock the stagger once its available, so when do you actually use R2's to create the staggers? unless you actually spam r2 parry into heavy r2 punishes
Hey could you do a build for the proof of humanity
You can use this build for that weapon.
Wait how is your p-organ that different? Did you change your shape?? It's not even organized the same way. Some of those aren't even options for mine, like rising dodge and a fifth amulet slots aren't even options for me
Probably changed by a patch, see patch notes of the game for changes
How did you skip phase 3 on the P-Organ?
You unlock all 4 in phase 1 to skip phase 2
Do I use a technique crank on the booster glaive did say we do but I just want to know if I do or not
How can i find more puls cells? I already have 7 at least.I saw some gamers had 10 or 11
Haven’t tried Lies of p yet bc of LOTF but I think I’ll like it more ja based off the combat. Looks way more fun
In my personal opinion Lies of P was a masterpiece. Lords of the fallen is a bit rough around the edges and needs some work.
Same. Just picked it up since it went on a bit of a sale. LOTF was ok, disappointing bosses, weird story. I think LoP will be completely different experience.
Sold my booster glaive. Thought I'd be able to buy back😢
You can get it again on your next playthrough!
i think if you play technique this game is so much easier than the others
Hello dude thanks for the video, really helpfull!
I have a noob question, so if i wanna use a Technique weapon i shouldn't put any poins in motivity right? Dont need to level up both motivity and technique as the same points?
If your main weapon scales with technique then no you don’t need to invest points into motivity unless you want to use motivity scaling weapons
@@ColdBwoyy
Ok perfect as I was thinking :) thank you dude
Bro. Took some tips from your vid and I am now one shotting end game enemies. Damn this is such a good build
So my phase 2 doesnt have rising dodge. It is "Retain Guard Regain" where ur rising dodge is. Why is that?
They updated the game recently so rising dodge is a default skill now that doesn’t need to be unlocked
Hey guys, just bought the game. What should I level up? I want a magic build
There is no Magic build, but in chapter V there is a man that sells infinite throwable objects. That's the Best the game can offer
If You want to deal more elemental damage with the throwable objects then You have to level up advance
I still dont understand why ppl use the guard cases stifness when it doesnt work for bosses
The game never told me i needed to fill both slots on the p organ so i wasted my first quartz
Wait how were you able to skip phase 3?
How much in the other stats?
Why is your P organ different than mine in phase 2
How to get fire the katana?
I don't know if someone see this comment in 2024, but what should I do with my P-Organs, if I'm not in NG+2 and only have Phase 6?
How did you skip over phase 3
Each phase contributes to your overall progression so if you unlock all skills in phase 1 u can skip phase 2 and unlock phase 3
How do you skip a phase???
Each phase contributes to your progress. For example, if you unlock all 4 skills in the first phase you’ll eventually unlock phase 3
Not me thinking im already dodging on the ground. am lost haha
so you can air doge??
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO USE THE ARRACK LINK
I can’t find Any of the phase 5 Abiltys
How to gain p organ phase 7?
You’ll need to play new game plus to unlock more p organs 👍🏻
@@ColdBwoyy ng+ 2 or 1?
@@Dante-pc2yn 2
How are you not heavy with all this gear on
“Very late game and new game +” should be in the title, I’m still following the build but i won’t even be able to use the weapons until the literal end of the game.
How can u skip phase 6?
Just keep upgrading the other phases