No one rides the rail because it doesn't go anywhere people need to go, duhhhh. If it went from the Norfolk naval base through ODU to the ocean front, wellllll guess what would happen to ridership, but I guess will never know because division and fear with our tax dollars is king.
I live here and FYI almost all those service roads on laskin have been under construction for the last year and are closed off. They are in process of removing them entirely.
Using that old railroad as a bike trail is a horrible idea IMO. It should be used to extend the light rail most of the way to the ocean front. Its perfectly positioned for much of the city, and would instantly become a backbone to HRT if they did it.
Obviously, it’s a clever way the city of VB is blocking the future possibility of light rail or public transport by making the most viable routes “bike trails”.
Can confirm I'm about an hour from VA beach, and now planners are coming out here bulldozing all the forest. Planning to move next year. I hate what's been done here.
That old railway they're putting the bike trail on, yeah I'm not sure that'll work out. A substantial number of homeless people live along that railway, especially right by Town Center since the City of VA Beach allows pan-handling throughout the area now. I'm super glad the plans to make Lavender Lane connect directly to Virginia Beach Blvd and the interstate was shut down, because most of us didn't want our quiet neighborhood becoming a major thoroughfare for the neighborhoods across Witchduck Rd.
While I am excited to see something else go in other than a brewery or storage units, the traffic in Hilltop and at the oceanfront due to construction is maddening. I actually moved to Red Mill from Great Neck after 15 years because I am so irritated with our inability to update infrastructure in a reasonable amount of time.
To be fair, some of that infrastructure below ground is older than our ages combined. Great neck and va beach blvd intersection oldest buildings nearby were built in 1965 according to Real Estate GIS public maps.
Those service roads, and there used to be quite a few of them, were what we used to call feeder roads because they fed into the main road. When I was a kid in 70s we would ride our bikes to the beach using these feeder roads ( I lived in Princess Ann Plaza area). It wasn’t unusual for 9 , 10,11 year olds to go to the beach, 3 or 4 miles from home with no adults supervision. What a difference 50 years makes😂
Bike infrastructure is awesome. The Tide also needs to be expanded all throughout both Norfolk and VB. A variety of transportation options helps everyone.
Imagine having a literal light rail that perfectly lines up to connect your two most popular cities and you use it to make a bike trail just to keep Norfolk people from having easy access to the beach . The greed and racism is so deeply rooted in 757 .
The 40 mile bike trail in the middle of the largest population city of the state is STUPID. they should have used those lines for the light rail. It’s a terrible idea and decision to do that.
Seems like a lot of Norfolk people want it, but nobody in Virginia Beach does. And VB will foot the bill, so the people have spoken. Plus, there’s never been a light rail in history that made a profit and isn’t a financial burden.
One thing I’d wish they’d do is finish whatever it is they’re doing on First Colonial and Va Beach Blvd. I had to drive through all that mess when heading to Sentara to visit my fiancée in the hospital. She died THREE YEARS AGO and that mess is STILL there!
They need more sidewalks down the vb boulevard every time I want to bike or walk somewhere i have to go all the way around it or take double the time on a longer route
@@DeathsInverse You get on the service road to get out of traffic and make your turn. Not turning? Stay off the service road to go straight. Keeps traffic moving while allowing for slower traffic to do what they need to do on the sides. Think of it like a main road with a side road.
I worked on Laskin for around a year, those side roads were a terrible way to divert turning traffic. It's going to be a net improvement once they're a thing of the past. I always hated those.
I was just at Aslin Brewery on Saturday night.(3rd time being there since finding it) Their beer is delicious, food is great, and the vibe outdoors is awesome. Highly recommend!!!
2nd the horrible traffic and taxes but good luck to you here, we are looking to move more Midwest where cost of living is lower and not so overcrowded. VA just isn't what is used to be.
Everything is worse wherever you go. Snowballing liberalism and woke mindsets have simultaneously stripped away people's morals and our ability to call it out without losing our livelihood.
I live in Red Mill and work in Greenbrier. Normally, I take North Landing to amount Pleasant but the North Landing Bridge is not reliable these days so Indian River to Elbow is the back up but because of the traffic that way, it will add 45 minutes to the drive
The city has done this purposely so the light rail conversation can never happen again. But I agree it should have been a light rail to the ocean front.
Virginia Beach oceanfront is a beach area, not an urban destination. A light rail to the VB Town Center would be fine as it’s a more citified area with chain stores and restaurants. 15:46
@kimberlygolden2194 the highest density of restaurants in the city is at the oceanfront, the pavilion would have been easily accessible with light rail for conferences, access to hilltop and all of its shopping, extensive access to retail and jobs at town center and lynnhaven. The light rail was stopped as it would have easily allowed low income riders to access our beach. The city couldn't allow the possibility of "beach week" to become an all year thing.
It’s not really silly though. Even if it’s not lightrail, it’s still an alternative to needing a car and is a major plus for cyclists since VB doesn’t really have any biking lanes
Omg the biking trail sounds ridiculous and dangerous. Who in their right mind is going to ride their bike from Norfolk to VB and vice versa. How about stop building and fix our roads.
Every major city in the US and around the world has sorted out how to have a TRAIN traveling thru city to city where all makes not only a profit but benefits local business etc. WHY A BIKE TRAIL ALONG THE TRAIN TRACKS?? I want a train!!!
They have been working on Laskin Road before cell phones were invented we probably will not be alive to see that ever completed. Probably the same company that is working on Mt Trashmore for the last year. Project management in this city is awful.
Why don’t they simply continue the tide train from Norfolk to the beach? I wonder why not? It makes so much sense. No, the city is going to offer bike lanes. Really??? Virginia Beach was doomed after the Greek fest riots. Why would performers want to come the beach? Yeah, you’ll maybe get second tiered country music performers and small music festivals at best. This area has turned from the military’s locker room into the military’s bathroom. Sourdough bread, Monty python movies, Wally ice cream??? Really??? I remember as a kid in the 80s an article in the pilot that said that there was enough pancake houses at the beach to make you think Aunt Jemimah was born here. You get what you deserve … god’s will 😂😂😂
Any website you visit gives away your IP address meaning they know where you live. If you use google maps they can figure out where you regularly go and do for work.
The bike trail is a great idea. People who don’t ride the light rail will suggest a light rail. Having the freedom of your own transportation is vital. Get u some great rain and cold weather gear, an electric bike will get you to your 9-5
Sure is nice that the federal government is sending my own money back to me, after skimming 40-50% off the top, for a bike trail no one will use. I wonder how the state will figure out how to turn it into some kind of toll road like they did with the grant money that built the HOV lanes that no one used.
That bike trail is a waste….i live at the end if the railways and would much rather them push that to the ocean front…then I’d make my crib and air b&b 😏💰
The only downfall of Pharrell's plan that you didnt mention is he took away parking and the only place is the garages...you know how quick those can fill up smh....so with more people coming there is less parking for tourist and locals...atleast sandbridge is untouched...
Hopefully that’ll encourage more walking or use of transit, in a perfect world the tide extends to the oceanfront as an option, but probably wont happen for a while
People dont use the bike lane that goes from the farmers market to the oceanfront and ride in dam neck and gen booth all the time. they proably wotn use this one either
I’ve lived here my whole life and I’m leaving in about a year for Pittsburgh. It’s about HALF the price to live in a major city than it is in Virginia Beach. It’s a rip off and it’s vastly overrated.
Yea service roads sucks , I hate Va beach roads and usually they make the roads worse when they widen them. Like the construction on Indian river/ kempsville road literally made traffic worse. That loop over by Greenwich is pointless. The roundabout at the end of laskin is pointless. I’m sure they’re going to do something stupid with the laskin one because it would’ve been done years ago if they were just widening it. The only road work vb needs is an interstate looping from the oceanfront to Chesapeake so 150,000 people wouldn’t be getting off at the Indian river rd exit to go to Salem, tallwood, Kellam and landstown everyday. Connect great bridge south Chesapeake to south Va beach along the west neck creek , can have an exit behind Alexandria , glenwood , the amphitheater then funnel it to general booth to take you to the beach.
yeah because we need more storage unit businesses opening up here instead 😂 this will only bring in more out of staters and make more money to fix the roads like what they’re doing right now
@@gianttigerfilms yup so those roads can comfortably pay itself when more people from out of state come and support private/local businesses so they can pay more taxes and make Va more attractive
@@SeaofThieves_7 🥾 👅 Tax money shouldn't go to private projects. The idea that those tax dollars will return on investment is a gamble and not something that we should be investing in when we have real infrastructure problems
@@SeaofThieves_7 and Im a surfer! I would love a wave park, but f the idea that my taxes go to help build it when teachers need two jobs When roads are trash When we need more low income housing Public transportation A wave pool is not even on the list
Interesting arguments from those who wanted the light rail. Bottom line, we voted against it. I’m not sure what smear campaign the folks here are referring to, though. Everyone I know voted against it because the project is extremely expensive and we’d rather have our tax dollars going towards infrastructure. We’d rather fix our flooding problems and existing road systems. I would guess those living in Norfolk would rather have their tax dollars going towards similar efforts as their flooding and road problems are equally troubling, is not worse… The light rail is a “nice to have”; once the aforementioned issues have been solved for, have another vote and see where we land.
So it's okay for undesirables to ride their bike into Virginia Beach but they can't take the light rail. Oh, wait a minute, undesirables do not use bicycles 😅
No you don't,as a local we get to enjoy the beach in peace after labor day thru the winter up to memorial day. Then the tourists take over. This park will make it even worse to live at the oceanfront than it already is. I'm all in with progress but damn it's already to crowded down here.
most of the locals avoid the beaches during high tourist season, the restaurants, etcThe traffic gets nuts, too..we typically come out to the oceanfront area Sept-May. We used to go to Sandbridge but that seems to have caught the eye of the tourists the last handful of years
Rail is an awful 4 letter word in Hawaii. If properly planned out, every detail, scenario, the right engineering, to make it work, it might stand a chance for Norfolk/Va Bch.. In Hawaii (Oahu)? Yikes, just search YT for anything rail for Hawaii, disappointing.
I live in Chesapeake and travel within Norfolk, VA Beach, and South Chesapeake/VA Beach. Neither me nor my wife have experienced any racism ( I am black and she is Ugandan) Nor have I seen any towards other people of color. Of course my experience is anecdotal can you expound on what you're talking about?
Is a police officer who knows how to be a peace officer, and serve the people, oh and grab a taser before they grab a gun you know they even killed Pharrell’s cousin right. ? Don’t move her don’t come visit spend your money somewhere actually fun and not s tourist trap
The bike trail idea is interesting. No one rides the light rail. I’m so glad the city didn’t waste money on it. We really aren’t a mass transit culture here. Not yet anywhere. Funny thing, I’ve lived here most of my 60 years, and we typically avoid the oceanfront.
Admittedly the light rail doesn't go to many useful places. I've enjoyed taking it a few times to downtown Norfolk, but most of the time it's easier to drive and use a parking garage. They really needed to make that rail goto extreme high traffic areas like the base. The places it was built to goto aren't the ones that have massive traffic issues. And the bus alternatives don't frequently enough or long enough to make them useful. If you want a mass-transit option to work then pretty much every stop needs to have a bus showing up ever 15 mins or so 24/7.
@@Furluge very true. Traffic isn’t bad enough between Va Beach and Norfolk to warrant a real system. It would be really helpful if it went to the peninsula, but that’s a pipe dream. Furthermore, rail systems are a huge money pit. I don’t think there is a single system in the country that pays for itself.
@@toddwrenn7741 having a home with less traffic and better quality of life! Elderly people could stay in their homes longer with reliable transit. Eventually the amount of budget for building and expanding new roads and bridges could go to maintaining these items.
They don’t need a green space at a beach. There’s enough nature already to relax. They need a high rise parking garage there. Parking is a nightmare there.
@@robdevinney6264 I don’t know what beach you’ve been on. Traffic and parking is horrible everywhere in Virginia Beach and this coming summer that done will make it worse.
Hell nah lmao living in va beach sucks ass!!!!!!!! The "drivers" are absolutely horrible, rent prices are ridiculous, every residential street is pretty much a one way because of all the damn parked cars on the street, it takes a minimum of 20 mins to get somewhere that literally takes 5 because the traffic is stupid...... as soon as my kids graduate im getting tf away from here lmmfao worst city i have ever lived. Hands down
Really,let me guess you live in VA Beach. All of Norfolk isn't ghetto just like all of VA Beach isn't as glamorous as everyone makes it out to be. I know because I live here.
You are late to that argument. Both Norfolk and VA Beach shot down that idea because they refused to pay the costs because they said ridership wouldn't support the costs. That idea had been up for discussion since the beginning of light rail including a portion connecting to ODU and Naval Station.
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No one rides the rail because it doesn't go anywhere people need to go, duhhhh. If it went from the Norfolk naval base through ODU to the ocean front, wellllll guess what would happen to ridership, but I guess will never know because division and fear with our tax dollars is king.
It's corruption
My point exactly
Blame the NIMBY crowd.
It’s the NIMBY crowd that is also racist claiming the influence of Norfolk will harm the city. If you don’t know Norfolk is predominantly black
@@Dontdoit_ Nah it almost half and half with white and Black. 42% whith, 38% black with others for the other percents.
That's so cool I've never seen a UA-camr from my area, like you showed my house.
I live here and FYI almost all those service roads on laskin have been under construction for the last year and are closed off. They are in process of removing them entirely.
Good. VA Beach is corrupt
It took them way too long to address those. They needed to get gone decades ago.
Using that old railroad as a bike trail is a horrible idea IMO. It should be used to extend the light rail most of the way to the ocean front. Its perfectly positioned for much of the city, and would instantly become a backbone to HRT if they did it.
Obviously, it’s a clever way the city of VB is blocking the future possibility of light rail or public transport by making the most viable routes “bike trails”.
No. This city sucks.City Council only cares about developers. It's getting too expensive to live here. Don't fall for the BS
TRUTH
Can confirm I'm about an hour from VA beach, and now planners are coming out here bulldozing all the forest. Planning to move next year. I hate what's been done here.
I went to prom for green run at the dome . Lol I won't say what year but the peppermint beach club was still open then too. Lol.
Rogues lol
That old railway they're putting the bike trail on, yeah I'm not sure that'll work out. A substantial number of homeless people live along that railway, especially right by Town Center since the City of VA Beach allows pan-handling throughout the area now. I'm super glad the plans to make Lavender Lane connect directly to Virginia Beach Blvd and the interstate was shut down, because most of us didn't want our quiet neighborhood becoming a major thoroughfare for the neighborhoods across Witchduck Rd.
While I am excited to see something else go in other than a brewery or storage units, the traffic in Hilltop and at the oceanfront due to construction is maddening. I actually moved to Red Mill from Great Neck after 15 years because I am so irritated with our inability to update infrastructure in a reasonable amount of time.
To be fair, some of that infrastructure below ground is older than our ages combined. Great neck and va beach blvd intersection oldest buildings nearby were built in 1965 according to Real Estate GIS public maps.
Those service roads, and there used to be quite a few of them, were what we used to call feeder roads because they fed into the main road. When I was a kid in 70s we would ride our bikes to the beach using these feeder roads ( I lived in Princess Ann Plaza area). It wasn’t unusual for 9 , 10,11 year olds to go to the beach, 3 or 4 miles from home with no adults supervision. What a difference 50 years makes😂
Bike infrastructure is awesome. The Tide also needs to be expanded all throughout both Norfolk and VB. A variety of transportation options helps everyone.
Imagine having a literal light rail that perfectly lines up to connect your two most popular cities and you use it to make a bike trail just to keep Norfolk people from having easy access to the beach . The greed and racism is so deeply rooted in 757 .
Yeah 7 cities has sooo much potential and a light rail’s extension would better connect the 2 largest cities
Exactly
I once explored that old railway last blizzard we had. It was surreal
The 40 mile bike trail in the middle of the largest population city of the state is STUPID. they should have used those lines for the light rail. It’s a terrible idea and decision to do that.
Seems like a lot of Norfolk people want it, but nobody in Virginia Beach does. And VB will foot the bill, so the people have spoken. Plus, there’s never been a light rail in history that made a profit and isn’t a financial burden.
There is plenty of light rail around the world that makes money, it just has to go where people need it to go and spur development
One thing I’d wish they’d do is finish whatever it is they’re doing on First Colonial and Va Beach Blvd. I had to drive through all that mess when heading to Sentara to visit my fiancée in the hospital. She died THREE YEARS AGO and that mess is STILL there!
They need more sidewalks down the vb boulevard every time I want to bike or walk somewhere i have to go all the way around it or take double the time on a longer route
I will miss the old Laskin. It was so fun to get on those service roads and avoid the main traffic. Also there weren’t that many accidents.
They've always confused me lol
@@DeathsInverse You get on the service road to get out of traffic and make your turn. Not turning? Stay off the service road to go straight. Keeps traffic moving while allowing for slower traffic to do what they need to do on the sides. Think of it like a main road with a side road.
I worked on Laskin for around a year, those side roads were a terrible way to divert turning traffic. It's going to be a net improvement once they're a thing of the past. I always hated those.
@@kuuryotwo5153 Lol
I'm an Uber driver and all my passengers that comment on the service roads said they hated em
Thanks :3
I was just at Aslin Brewery on Saturday night.(3rd time being there since finding it) Their beer is delicious, food is great, and the vibe outdoors is awesome. Highly recommend!!!
That restaurant is around the corner from me,its a nice space and the food is pretty good. A lot better than most of the breweries ive been to.
Local government must really hate the recreational fishermens or something
Thats cool 2025 will add some flavor to the beach front, Rudee inlet can use some spicing up as well
I love grommets. I just hope the green space doesn’t increase traffic
Psst..DONT turn off the main road..use the feeder(service) roads to get to the service you desire. ....yes..I live here
im going to miss the service roads, I loved using them and they're not bad if you remember that your not the only car on the road
I am thinking of moving back and could you please tell me what the name of this complex is? Also, how exciting about a bike path. I love that idea.
That bike trail was supposed to be for the Tide. Bike trails are good, but seems misplaced.
Good video, informative, thanks dude!
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Moving here in a week and so excited! You have the best videos sam, thanks for all you do.
enjoy the taxes
And the horrific traffic.
2nd the horrible traffic and taxes but good luck to you here, we are looking to move more Midwest where cost of living is lower and not so overcrowded. VA just isn't what is used to be.
Everything is worse wherever you go. Snowballing liberalism and woke mindsets have simultaneously stripped away people's morals and our ability to call it out without losing our livelihood.
I've lived here since childhood and love it here, welcome!
I was hoping they’d build it up like Myrtle beach. It used to be to a staple in late 80-90s
Also when do you think the Bike Trail will be ready?
Any updates on the Elbow Rd and Indian River Rd work? I saw some work starting but haven't seen anything in the news
I live in Red Mill and work in Greenbrier. Normally, I take North Landing to amount Pleasant but the North Landing Bridge is not reliable these days so Indian River to Elbow is the back up but because of the traffic that way, it will add 45 minutes to the drive
The bike trail is silly. It should have been light rail.
The city has done this purposely so the light rail conversation can never happen again. But I agree it should have been a light rail to the ocean front.
Virginia Beach oceanfront is a beach area, not an urban destination. A light rail to the VB Town Center would be fine as it’s a more citified area with chain stores and restaurants. 15:46
@kimberlygolden2194 the highest density of restaurants in the city is at the oceanfront, the pavilion would have been easily accessible with light rail for conferences, access to hilltop and all of its shopping, extensive access to retail and jobs at town center and lynnhaven. The light rail was stopped as it would have easily allowed low income riders to access our beach. The city couldn't allow the possibility of "beach week" to become an all year thing.
It’s not really silly though. Even if it’s not lightrail, it’s still an alternative to needing a car and is a major plus for cyclists since VB doesn’t really have any biking lanes
@@TheJbash Bingo.
I was on laskin yesterday... geeez
Omg the biking trail sounds ridiculous and dangerous. Who in their right mind is going to ride their bike from Norfolk to VB and vice versa. How about stop building and fix our roads.
Every major city in the US and around the world has sorted out how to have a TRAIN traveling thru city to city where all makes not only a profit but benefits local business etc. WHY A BIKE TRAIL ALONG THE TRAIN TRACKS?? I want a train!!!
They would rather waste taxes dollars on that. Like what money is that going to bring?😂
You drove right past my house twice in this video….. my home is by the old dome. That’s all I’m saying.
They have been working on Laskin Road before cell phones were invented we probably will not be alive to see that ever completed. Probably the same company that is working on Mt Trashmore for the last year. Project management in this city is awful.
Why don’t they simply continue the tide train from Norfolk to the beach? I wonder why not? It makes so much sense. No, the city is going to offer bike lanes. Really??? Virginia Beach was doomed after the Greek fest riots. Why would performers want to come the beach? Yeah, you’ll maybe get second tiered country music performers and small music festivals at best. This area has turned from the military’s locker room into the military’s bathroom. Sourdough bread, Monty python movies, Wally ice cream??? Really??? I remember as a kid in the 80s an article in the pilot that said that there was enough pancake houses at the beach to make you think Aunt Jemimah was born here. You get what you deserve … god’s will 😂😂😂
People gonna get robbed on that bike trail.. 😂
Racist
How did the algorithm find me?
yeah I thought it was strange as well I never looked up Virginia stuff never really cared much about my city.
Any website you visit gives away your IP address meaning they know where you live.
If you use google maps they can figure out where you regularly go and do for work.
Just because they’re building a bike trail doesn’t mean it couldn’t be converted later into a light rail AND bike trail.
The bike trail is a great idea. People who don’t ride the light rail will suggest a light rail. Having the freedom of your own transportation is vital. Get u some great rain and cold weather gear, an electric bike will get you to your 9-5
LRT extension would be wayyy more efficient as a viable transportation option, id much rather take a train to work than ride my bike
Seems like va beach just kinda sucks now
Sure is nice that the federal government is sending my own money back to me, after skimming 40-50% off the top, for a bike trail no one will use. I wonder how the state will figure out how to turn it into some kind of toll road like they did with the grant money that built the HOV lanes that no one used.
Aslin is great!
Nice now the beach will become even more expensive to live in👍
That bike trail is a waste….i live at the end if the railways and would much rather them push that to the ocean front…then I’d make my crib and air b&b 😏💰
The only downfall of Pharrell's plan that you didnt mention is he took away parking and the only place is the garages...you know how quick those can fill up smh....so with more people coming there is less parking for tourist and locals...atleast sandbridge is untouched...
There are so many places to valet your car at the beach. One thing VB doesn’t have is a shortage of places to park
Hopefully that’ll encourage more walking or use of transit, in a perfect world the tide extends to the oceanfront as an option, but probably wont happen for a while
I love it! We need to do this. I hate cyclists on two lane roads. This bike path is going to be great for our city.
People dont use the bike lane that goes from the farmers market to the oceanfront and ride in dam neck and gen booth all the time. they proably wotn use this one either
Wow, this is the most targeted video UA-cam has ever recommended me I feel like 😅
New changes to my city
Service roads only make sense when coupled to limited access highways.
I’ve lived here my whole life and I’m leaving in about a year for Pittsburgh. It’s about HALF the price to live in a major city than it is in Virginia Beach. It’s a rip off and it’s vastly overrated.
That trail is going to RIDDLED with homeless and junkies just like the oceanfront
Those service roads are horrible. Ive seen so many accidents from them.
I hope there's going to be cameras all along that trail. I can see a lot of crime going on through it.
So without cameras...it would be the same as it already is?
Yea service roads sucks , I hate Va beach roads and usually they make the roads worse when they widen them. Like the construction on Indian river/ kempsville road literally made traffic worse. That loop over by Greenwich is pointless. The roundabout at the end of laskin is pointless. I’m sure they’re going to do something stupid with the laskin one because it would’ve been done years ago if they were just widening it.
The only road work vb needs is an interstate looping from the oceanfront to Chesapeake so 150,000 people wouldn’t be getting off at the Indian river rd exit to go to Salem, tallwood, Kellam and landstown everyday.
Connect great bridge south Chesapeake to south Va beach along the west neck creek , can have an exit behind Alexandria , glenwood , the amphitheater then funnel it to general booth to take you to the beach.
Wave park is a waist of money... city's for the rich
yeah because we need more storage unit businesses opening up here instead 😂 this will only bring in more out of staters and make more money to fix the roads like what they’re doing right now
It's using tax money that could go to roads to build a private business
@@gianttigerfilms yup so those roads can comfortably pay itself when more people from out of state come and support private/local businesses so they can pay more taxes and make Va more attractive
@@SeaofThieves_7 🥾 👅
Tax money shouldn't go to private projects. The idea that those tax dollars will return on investment is a gamble and not something that we should be investing in when we have real infrastructure problems
@@SeaofThieves_7 and Im a surfer! I would love a wave park, but f the idea that my taxes go to help build it when teachers need two jobs
When roads are trash
When we need more low income housing
Public transportation
A wave pool is not even on the list
If you’re reading this, nobody cares about your property value. Your property could lose all value and I wouldn’t care.
Weird way to say youre broke and own zero assets lmao
Agree! Which is the main issue with urban planning has. The Nimby crowd.
Interesting arguments from those who wanted the light rail. Bottom line, we voted against it. I’m not sure what smear campaign the folks here are referring to, though. Everyone I know voted against it because the project is extremely expensive and we’d rather have our tax dollars going towards infrastructure. We’d rather fix our flooding problems and existing road systems. I would guess those living in Norfolk would rather have their tax dollars going towards similar efforts as their flooding and road problems are equally troubling, is not worse… The light rail is a “nice to have”; once the aforementioned issues have been solved for, have another vote and see where we land.
Lmk when you guys fix flooding when you could actually build a rail? Like Norfolk and VB have flooded well before either of us were probably born😂
@@Icycamm you are ill informed, my friend.
Flooding is way worse now
All I ask is they not do what they did to the Kempsville/Indian River intersection to the rest of the city
Airbnbs aren't allowed in mostofVB
So it's okay for undesirables to ride their bike into Virginia Beach but they can't take the light rail. Oh, wait a minute, undesirables do not use bicycles 😅
No they drive teslas 😂
@@Choose_thisDey Some do; but I doubt those are the ones the NIMBY in Virginia Beach are concerned about.
I want to move there!
No you don't,as a local we get to enjoy the beach in peace after labor day thru the winter up to memorial day. Then the tourists take over. This park will make it even worse to live at the oceanfront than it already is. I'm all in with progress but damn it's already to crowded down here.
@@motowncichlids7304locals use chics beach
Why???? You must love traffic high taxes
Great info but how does the city feel about locals?
Is the city not the locals?? It should be
most of the locals avoid the beaches during high tourist season, the restaurants, etcThe traffic gets nuts, too..we typically come out to the oceanfront area Sept-May. We used to go to Sandbridge but that seems to have caught the eye of the tourists the last handful of years
The city hates the locals. Away from the ocean you can see this. If you’re not military the city pays you no mind or interest
Rail is an awful 4 letter word in Hawaii. If properly planned out, every detail, scenario, the right engineering, to make it work, it might stand a chance for Norfolk/Va Bch.. In Hawaii (Oahu)? Yikes, just search YT for anything rail for Hawaii, disappointing.
Are we getting less racism? That would be something to celebrate.
I live in Chesapeake and travel within Norfolk, VA Beach, and South Chesapeake/VA Beach. Neither me nor my wife have experienced any racism ( I am black and she is Ugandan) Nor have I seen any towards other people of color. Of course my experience is anecdotal can you expound on what you're talking about?
VB has a history racist police
@@shanra4764 oh ok i'll look that up. I never have issues with police anyway.
I’ve lived here for over 20 years. What racism are you talking about ? also almost every single cop I’ve encountered in this city are decent
We need train not bike trails
Is a police officer who knows how to be a peace officer, and serve the people, oh and grab a taser before they grab a gun you know they even killed Pharrell’s cousin right. ? Don’t move her don’t come visit spend your money somewhere actually fun and not s tourist trap
The bike trail idea is interesting. No one rides the light rail. I’m so glad the city didn’t waste money on it. We really aren’t a mass transit culture here. Not yet anywhere.
Funny thing, I’ve lived here most of my 60 years, and we typically avoid the oceanfront.
We NEED to be a mass transit minded culture so we can progress!
@@Frequentqs I would humbly ask, progress towards what?
Admittedly the light rail doesn't go to many useful places. I've enjoyed taking it a few times to downtown Norfolk, but most of the time it's easier to drive and use a parking garage. They really needed to make that rail goto extreme high traffic areas like the base. The places it was built to goto aren't the ones that have massive traffic issues. And the bus alternatives don't frequently enough or long enough to make them useful. If you want a mass-transit option to work then pretty much every stop needs to have a bus showing up ever 15 mins or so 24/7.
@@Furluge very true. Traffic isn’t bad enough between Va Beach and Norfolk to warrant a real system. It would be really helpful if it went to the peninsula, but that’s a pipe dream. Furthermore, rail systems are a huge money pit. I don’t think there is a single system in the country that pays for itself.
@@toddwrenn7741 having a home with less traffic and better quality of life! Elderly people could stay in their homes longer with reliable transit. Eventually the amount of budget for building and expanding new roads and bridges could go to maintaining these items.
They don’t need a green space at a beach. There’s enough nature already to relax. They need a high rise parking garage there. Parking is a nightmare there.
It’s definitely not a nightmare at all. So easy to park at the beach
@@robdevinney6264 I don’t know what beach you’ve been on. Traffic and parking is horrible everywhere in Virginia Beach and this coming summer that done will make it worse.
Vb doesn’t need more parking man it needs better transit so people can avoid using their cars
Hell nah lmao living in va beach sucks ass!!!!!!!! The "drivers" are absolutely horrible, rent prices are ridiculous, every residential street is pretty much a one way because of all the damn parked cars on the street, it takes a minimum of 20 mins to get somewhere that literally takes 5 because the traffic is stupid...... as soon as my kids graduate im getting tf away from here lmmfao worst city i have ever lived. Hands down
Bike path is the biggest waste of tax money. Need to have a light rail use those old tracks from town center to the oceanfront, NOT TO GHETTO NORFOLK
Really,let me guess you live in VA Beach. All of Norfolk isn't ghetto just like all of VA Beach isn't as glamorous as everyone makes it out to be. I know because I live here.
Light rail is just going to bring basketball Americans into vb
Yo! Don’t call Norfolk Ghetto it is better than the tourist beach FOH!!
Norfolk isn’t ghetto it’s 70%-80% non white.. 😂 you do know Virginia Beach is the most ghetto 😂
You are late to that argument. Both Norfolk and VA Beach shot down that idea because they refused to pay the costs because they said ridership wouldn't support the costs. That idea had been up for discussion since the beginning of light rail including a portion connecting to ODU and Naval Station.
Do you have a cheap house to introduce，like 100k-150k thank you sam
ROFL
You would need to look way out in Isle of Wight County and even there, it's super rare.
That ship has sailed 😂. Those days ended in early 2000.
This place blows and getting expensive
More bs ripoff nonsense
You lost me at traffic.