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Grigonis, despite any shortcomings, is probably the best spot shooter in the team. In many games he will be needed. It will be really hard for Ataman to choose. My guess is Papapetrou will get more time in Greek league and Grigonis in Euroleague.
Have you heard of Free guys? He is the one behind all Panathinaikos moves in the last 2 years. We all believe that Cedi's transfer was a celebration for his physical status, not that Free is afraid of his rivals tranfer moves
Panathinaikos 2009 roster was insane!!!! The only player from current roster who add to 2009 team is Kendrick Nunn!! (and i don't know about Cedi Osman)
guys 2009 pao had 3 out of the 4 best ever eurolegue guards in their prime not in their 30's+. there is no comparison. 2009 pao was prop the best roster ever assembled after yugoplastiga
Τους έξι καλύτερους γκαρντ είχε ,γαμω τα τριάρια είχε γαμω τα τεσσαρια είχε γαμω τους σέντερ είχε ...ούτε καν έχουν δει ούτε καν ξέρουν το ρόστερ ρε ...πετάνε μια μαλακιά και πάει στο διάολο...ο Σλούκας πχ σε εκείνη την ομάδα θα έπαιζε από δέκα λεπτά έως καθόλου ...τι λέμε τώρα ...ποιος Γκραντ ποιος γκριγκονις ,ποιος Παπαπέτρου,ποιος Ομέρ ποιος Οσμάν ... Ολυμπιακός είμαι αδερφέ αλλά όταν ακούω τέτοιες μλκς γίνομαι έξαλλος...μόνο ένας άσχετος θα μπορούσε να συγκρίνει αυτά τα δύο ρόστερ ...
Pana fan here! 2009 Panathinaikos had answer to everything and also it was one of the smarter teams I ever seen except from talent and that makes the difference I think! Zots, Itoudis, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Saras, Batiste brilliant minds ..
Αδερφέ Ολυμπιακός είμαι αλλά πραγματικά οι τύποι είναι άσχετοι ρε ..ούτε καν ξέρουν το ρόστερ και λένε ότι μλκ τους κατέβει ...τραγικοί...να συγκρίνουν γενικά οποιοδήποτε ρόστερ με τον Παναθηναϊκό του 2009 ...τι μλκς θα ακούσουμε ακόμα από αυτούς τους ασχετους
2009 Pao had 3 Euroleague legends and a lot of players with proven value. Our team now has 1 player who is going to be a legend and a lot others that have to prove their value over time!
Guys we waiting for you to OAKA this year!! Will be an experience you will only compare with the NBA experience..And believe me ours will be better for the simple reason.. us.. the fans ✊🏼😎⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️☘️💚
Hi guys,the 2009 roster it's not comparable , 3D - Vspan - Sara's does not exist today in euro league quality & ability , they could score / assist - read the game ! Batiste was the best PnR center in history of EL and Pekovits was better than today's Tavares. However the 2024-25 roster was the closest we have seen so far. Zeko & Ataman also must be mentioned cause without great personality it's tough to manage those rosters.
Cedi has the skills and the body to thrive in EL - I believe he's going to do great as a 3.5 that PAO needs badly to stay ahead of the competition. Defensively, he can defend from 2-5 and offensively he can dribble, play pnr, shoot 3s.. I believe Ataman will also do his magic to help him get his self-esteem back. Yeah Pao became a terrifying squad.
42:30 in regard of the turkish national team roster for eurobasket im expenting something like this ; pg - dogus ozdemiriglu - sehmus hazer - kenan sipahi - sg furkan korkmaz - onuralp bitim - sf cedi osman - tarik biberovic - pf ercan osmani - sadik kabaca - c alperen sengun - omer yurtseven - adem bona.
Guys congrats for the podcast and the overall content! Just a minor pointer, Panathinaikos has an abbreviation already and it's not PANA. It's PAO. I know you always try to be as thorough as possible so I just wanted to specify this out. Again much respect.
Adding Colson and Baldwin is quite good since you are getting the core players of the team that almost defeated Pana in the playoffs the team that won it all in the end.
I didn't see anybody complaining about financial fair play when Real or Barcelona were building and still build super teams. The same goes for CSSKA in the past or the Turkish Teams. Now that the Greek teams did the same suddenly Motejunas remembered it is unfair and everybody wants "more balance"?? Seriously?? The fact that there are teams in Euroleague that have budgets of 6-7 millions doesn't mean that the rest have to lower their budgets so that there is "balance". It means that these teams don't belong in Euroleague. So just say a big thank you to the Teams that invest to upgrade this product and stfu...
Fenerbahçe taraftarıyım katılıyorum. Fener'in bütçesi o zamanlar 30m üzerine çıkmıştı, şimdi PAO 35M klüp giderleri 15m OAKA'nın yenilenmesi için bütçe ayırmış yani salon yenilenmesini çıkarırsan hemen hemen aynı.
Its not about budget its all in the coach. If Panathinaikos will play defensively and offensively as coach Ataman thought it we will the ultimate team maybe even more than Panathinaikos of 2009. Last year we saw Real Madrid losing a title as the favourite. We ll see everything in the court.
2009 PAO had true superstars at their prime (ok.. probably not Saras.. but still) - we are talking about top 5 EL players throughout its history. Today's Olympiakos is better than then the 2010 team
2010 Olympiacos was better. Just because people have overrated Vezenkov and Fournier transfers does not change that. Way better guards and prime Bourousis who was arguably better than Milutinov or Fall. Also SF-PF you had Kleiza, Childress.
You should understand that Giannakopoulos is not just another owner. He is a WINNER and he will always do whatever it takes to defend his team and his titles. That's why for Pana fans, this is a holy family.
But this guy giannakopoulos became president of pao at 2012 and previous year was his first final four because of bodiroga(ex pao player) and the referees difala and belosevic. I checked Euroleague history and for first time previous year we saw 2 referee's playing the same team for 4 games in a row. The most critical games of the season.Maccabi deserved to be at final four but difala and belosevic had different opinion.Giannakopoulos is loser and needs the referees. That's why he didn't like Bertomeou and 50-50.
As Panathinaikos fan,i would said 2009 was the best team ever in Euroleague history because this players ( Diamantidis-Spanoulis-Saras & Batiste-Pecovic & Fotsis-Tsartsaris ) The Greek players was on Top lvl! This roster today is very close to 2009,for sure more than 9 players at the top lvl,but doesn’t have Diamantidi & Spanouli!
For panas roster maybe after 2 years we will be able to say for sure cause for 2009 is better but if this roster wins again then we can debate about 2024 roster being better
People often complain about the lack of talent in the EuroLeague, and I see both of you complaining about the money spent by the Greek teams. How do you expect to attract talented players without paying them? The NBA is open to any player with talent; it's not like it was in the '90s or early 2000s. If you want strong teams, you have to invest. Panathinaikos, in particular, is investing in its product, improving the facilities at OAKA and creating a new experience for fans who want to see top-level players and basketball at the highest level. You and the so-called EuroLeague mafia need to decide whether you want to improve the product or not. If you prevent owners from investing, then what are you aiming for? Mediocre teams filled with subpar players who couldn't even secure contracts in China?
@@giorgiosmy4080 they made a 1:30 hour show for 6 nba years with 9 average points Osman and a 5 min vid for 12 nba years and 14 average points Fournier. You must appreciate Rytis opinion more than that..
Bigger move in Euroleague this year wasn't osman or Fournier. Biggest move was Sasa Vezenkov.He can score 20 points and grab 7-8 rebounds in a normal day at work.
ROSTERS LIKE PANATHINAIKOS WILL GET ATTENTION FROM THE NBA THATS A GREAT THING NO SPENDING LIMITS SALARY CAPS WILL NOT GET TOP NBA PLAYERS COMING TO EUROPE AGAIN
It's funny how people complain about budges now. I guess those same people were fine when CSKA was buying the best players every year spending 10-20M more than any other team. Or forget how Real and Barcelona budgets have towered above all other teams for decades now. Now that the wheels have turned. budgets are a problem for some...
real and Barca are paying 50+% taxes, way more than Greece/Turkey A roster that cost 20M in Greece/Turkey would cost Barca 30+M to have the same roster Not a fair comparison
Other countries have taxes too. The difference in budget was not from taxes. It was from Spanish teams offering higher contracts than anyone else. So the comparison is absolutely fair.
@@georgegrammatopoulos2669 No, go compare the net wages these players are getting in both teams. Barca used to pay 11M for Mirotic in order for him to get 5 net, go compare that with Vezenkov who'll earn 4+ net but would cost Oly much less on their payroll expenses. Restrictions on American players is also a factor, Spain have more restrictions i believe.
Bartzokas dislike players like Fournier etc he loves off ball players with big size like Vezenkov Peters and of course Osman.. I think that Olympiacos this year will not be able to mesh together unless Bartzokas will change his ideas and the way he sees the game .. which is unlikely
Furkan is a very talented player. But he has not developed his physique. He is not strong enough for the NBA. I think he was a bit overwhelmed by the high expectations. I'm glad he came back to Europe, he should have come back years ago, gained confidence and tried the NBA again.
shane is playing is because turkey doesnt have a 1 for that elite level. and yurtseven will cut lessort if he is healthy like cmonBruh he can avg 2 blk 8reb 10 pts easy in 20-25 mins
They only speak about the teams that their fanbase likes in order to please them. You won't hear a thing about Milan, Virtus, Baskonia, Bayern and so on. If you want to hear about these other teams, I suggest you to move your ears elsewhere
As Greek and Olympiakos fan where are Greek Players??? Its a pity that now we have Giannis in National Team no players to help. Olympiakos and Panathinaikos doesn't support Greek players.....
Fournier should easily outscore Osman. He's a scorer, and will take probably the most efforts, perhaps more than Vezenkov, while Osman will be just a multitool in Panathinaikos taking less effort, but ball handling, playing defence etc. 2009 Panathinaikos team was probably more stacked than their current team. I mean Hatzivrettas was at the end of the depth chart, now it's like Kalaitzakis and Moraitis? 2009 had two legendary guards, Spanoulis, Dimantidis, Jasikevicius and then Nicholas had been top Euroleague scorer in the past, Alvertis the best Greek shooter of all time, maybe one of the best in Euroleague's history. Hatzivretas (an ex Greek league top scorer and a silver World Champion winner) was a bonus. That's pretty much the best backcourt of all time in Euroleague. Fotsis and Tsartsaris interchange in lists as Best Greek PF Of All Time.Mitoglou is fine but nowhere close to such a distinction. Perperoglou as was good if not better than Papapetrou. Batiste is one of the best centers in Euroleague's history. Lessort did great but it was just his last season that he shined, until a year ago they called him "Eurocup level center". And on top of that Pekovic, another center that was great and went on to play 7 seasons in the NBA after Panathinaikos. I mean yeah, taking a center from the NBA like Yurtseven may look impressive but he didn't find a good contract in USA and came in Europe while Pekovic during his Panathinaikos years made NBA teams offer him a contract, argually being better. 2009 looks better everywhere although the current Panathinaikos team is also quite stacked.
Osman transferi kesinlikle Fournier'den daha iyi, Pana koç faktörünü kullanarak yalnızca 1.3m CeDİ'yi aldı RealMadrid'e gitseydi muhtemelen iki katını, NBA'de kalsaydı 3 katını alacaktı. Ödeyeceği fiyatı düşünürsek müthiş transfer
@@kiffer6802 last season Panathinaikos didn't have the largest budget as Real had a significantly bigger and this year Olympiakos has brought more expensive players than Panathianikos. In fact I think Vezenkov alone costs about the same as L.Brown/Yurtseven/C.Osman together.
Just try to get inside our "green" minds and hearts after so many dry years.. In 1 year.. new coatch.. new players.. crazy-fanatic owner.. nuclear OAKA.. result: champions. Oh man... New season is coming.. team gets stronger,OAKA gets bigger... After each game, our visitors will get free mousaka,feta cheese and wine.. Greek hospitality my friends.. The new OAKA waits for everybody ⭐*8☘️ * Please, don't say "Pana".. I know it's smaller,but there's no such team in Greece. "Panas" was a god in greek mythology 😉PANATHINAIKOS means the team of the entire Athens city.
2009 hands down guys. You can make a case only for Kecman at that roster. Guards were legendary and on another level. We are talking about 3 Euroleague and World basketball Legends. Saras Diamantidis Spanoulis. Sloukas Nun and Brown are nowhere near those 3 guys. Lets say Drew Nicholas was on the same level as Grigonis... I would argue that Hatzivretas was on the same level as Grant but he didn't get minutes to play. Perperoglou, Fotsis, Tsartsaris, Kecman, Sakota VS Papapetrou, Huancho, Mitoglou, Osman, Kalaitzakis. Tsartsaris better than Mitoglou. Fotsis better than Huancho. Perperoglou on the same level as Papapetrou. Osman better than Kecman. Sakota better shooting, Kalaitzakis better defending. Role players good at their specialty. I would say they are on the same level of supporting their teams. 2009 roster had the quality (2 better - 2 same - 1 way worse), 2024 roster has the quantity at Forwards. Lets call it even at Forwards. Pekovic Batiste over Lessort and Yurtseven any day. ANY DAY.
LISTEN GUYS PLAYERS CAN CHOOSE WHERE THEY WANT TO PLAYIF THE 2 GREEK TEAMS PAYS THE MOST MONEY BAD LUCK FOR THE WEAKER TEAMS IF SALARY CAPS COME IN TO THE EURO LEAGUE I GUARANTEE YOU THAT YOU WONT GET TOP NBA PLAYERS COMING AGAIN SALARY CAPS THATS PATHETIC ITS A BUSINESS GUYS GET REAL
what business ? greek clubs and spanish will lose 20mln euros this season is this business? in short term salary cap will be bad but looking long term it will improve level of euroleague
But your daddy is named Giannakopoulos (DPG). 😅😅😅 Ρουφοκαβλετες πάρτε τις βενταλιες σας και πάτε στο εξοχικό να δειτε τον βιαστή σας...Μετά κρυφτείτε πίσω απ' τις κουρτίνες σας 😂😂😂2
I think he just dont like suggar daddy projects like pao and now oly, they have no plan with this spending yes they will win this season or next season but what will happen then owner will not give that type of money ?
@@nesakysiu12 I think he is a little bit biased with Pana and Oly. Especially Pana. These teams have owners that never left the players unpaid and most of the money comes from sponsorship.
You are clueless...none of now days players of panathinaikos could fit in 2009 team ...you probably dont know even the half roster ...i am olympiakos but to make any comparisons to 2009 shows how clueless you are...
How were Cedi, Korkmaz and Yurtseven overrated? I mean who overrated them? Even the Turkish fans known to be very biased wasn't overrating them at all. We all knew that they were just role players. I think Korkmaz's career was disappointing, because he had the talent and tools to be more than a role player but couldn't make it happen. Cedi's career was ok I guess. He played almost 8-9 seasons in a good volume. For Yurtseven, he wasn't even expected to make the NBA. But the guy could snatch a roster spot in Miami and did quite well for a season. Calling them overrated is a bit absurd imo, they were just rated enough. Turkish National team was disappointing in the last decade, which I agree, but the fans were not expecting much from them anyway.
you are still overrating them lol. accept it both cedi and korkmaz sucks. they have always been suck. they will be bench players in fener or efes in couple of years. omer is a different story though.
@@plvrzer sus velet 2 3 sene once de agliyordunuz bole yorumlarda biz gerceklwri soyledikce. Yok furka. Nba de cok iyi yok cedi lebron la kanka nbade cok iyi kalici olczk. Noldu benim dedigime geldiniz yine aynisj olacak. Otur bekle. Sezon un yarisi gelmeden ataman benching karanlik tarafina hapseder cedi yeteneksizini
@@alexmak2020 because PAO has obviously the best fan base.. and a much much more basketball friendly culture in it.. and of course we are the EuroLeague Champions if you forget.. Also we have the most interesting signings.. And also we are the future of European Basketball..Others will follow later..⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️☘️
@@mertkursun1342shut up mert you know nothing . people like you that idiot thought he was going to do some shit innba years ago. i said then he couldnt . i say now he couldnt either in europe aswell. they guy is a bum
@@mertkursun1342 you can disagree as much as you want. you are one of these guys who for years thought furkan and cedi can be relevant in nba and disagree with everybody who says otherwise. from the beginning i knew cedi and furkan cant stay and have relevant roıles in nba. because they lack work ethic and they are not strong and atlethic enough to do that. and i ll say now they cant be go to guy in top playoff teams in euroleague either. mark my words they are gonna be bench players either in efes or fener after this year. because they both not good enough
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Hands down Pana's roster of 2008-2009 was out of this continent.
Hands down , you know shit about basketball
2017 fener😊
@@Smooth2 3d, Saras, Spanoulis, Nikolas, Pekovic, Bastiste, Fotsis.
@@Smooth2 what? 😂
Indeed 2009 Pana was insane, this roster is close but can only become a comparison if they win :)
they ve a long way ahead of them to be compared any near to those years of Panathinaikos... We talking about the best team ever played in europe.
1.5 hours of clear basketball talk, i love this guys.
Grigonis, despite any shortcomings, is probably the best spot shooter in the team. In many games he will be needed. It will be really hard for Ataman to choose. My guess is Papapetrou will get more time in Greek league and Grigonis in Euroleague.
Exactly bro but i think everyone on the roster of Panathinaikos will be needed. There is many games to be played.
Have you heard of Free guys? He is the one behind all Panathinaikos moves in the last 2 years. We all believe that Cedi's transfer was a celebration for his physical status, not that Free is afraid of his rivals tranfer moves
Panathinaikos 2009 roster was insane!!!!
The only player from current roster who add to 2009 team is Kendrick Nunn!!
(and i don't know about Cedi Osman)
O GRANT MPRIKIA KOLAI ?
Nunn is overrated
😂😂😂@@LimaKrimoLug
Türkiye has also Adem Bona in NBA. 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
ROSTERS LIKE PANATHINAIKOS IS SO EXCITING PUTS EUROPE ON THE MAP RESPECT FROM THE NBA TO PANA WITH THERE GREAT ROSTER
guys 2009 pao had 3 out of the 4 best ever eurolegue guards in their prime not in their 30's+.
there is no comparison.
2009 pao was prop the best roster ever assembled after yugoplastiga
Τους έξι καλύτερους γκαρντ είχε ,γαμω τα τριάρια είχε γαμω τα τεσσαρια είχε γαμω τους σέντερ είχε ...ούτε καν έχουν δει ούτε καν ξέρουν το ρόστερ ρε ...πετάνε μια μαλακιά και πάει στο διάολο...ο Σλούκας πχ σε εκείνη την ομάδα θα έπαιζε από δέκα λεπτά έως καθόλου ...τι λέμε τώρα ...ποιος Γκραντ ποιος γκριγκονις ,ποιος Παπαπέτρου,ποιος Ομέρ ποιος Οσμάν ... Ολυμπιακός είμαι αδερφέ αλλά όταν ακούω τέτοιες μλκς γίνομαι έξαλλος...μόνο ένας άσχετος θα μπορούσε να συγκρίνει αυτά τα δύο ρόστερ ...
Και έχεις απόλυτο δίκιο μόνο Γιουγκοπλάστικα πέφτει δίπλα ...ούτε καν Ρεάλ του 95 με Σαμπόνις αρλαουσκας Τζόρτζεβιτς...
get ready for the number eight ☘️
Pana fan here! 2009 Panathinaikos had answer to everything and also it was one of the smarter teams I ever seen except from talent and that makes the difference I think! Zots, Itoudis, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Saras, Batiste brilliant minds ..
Αδερφέ Ολυμπιακός είμαι αλλά πραγματικά οι τύποι είναι άσχετοι ρε ..ούτε καν ξέρουν το ρόστερ και λένε ότι μλκ τους κατέβει ...τραγικοί...να συγκρίνουν γενικά οποιοδήποτε ρόστερ με τον Παναθηναϊκό του 2009 ...τι μλκς θα ακούσουμε ακόμα από αυτούς τους ασχετους
2009 Pao had 3 Euroleague legends and a lot of players with proven value. Our team now has 1 player who is going to be a legend and a lot others that have to prove their value over time!
Guys we waiting for you to OAKA this year!! Will be an experience you will only compare with the NBA experience..And believe me ours will be better for the simple reason.. us.. the fans ✊🏼😎⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️☘️💚
Congratulations on reaching 150K subs guys!!! 🎉
Hi guys,the 2009 roster it's not comparable , 3D - Vspan - Sara's does not exist today in euro league quality & ability , they could score / assist - read the game ! Batiste was the best PnR center in history of EL and Pekovits was better than today's Tavares. However the 2024-25 roster was the closest we have seen so far. Zeko & Ataman also must be mentioned cause without great personality it's tough to manage those rosters.
Pekovic* Learn to spell your own players, lol
Comparing any EL team to 2009 PAO is like comparing any basketball player to Michael Jordan.
There’s only 1 MJ, and there’s only 1 2009 Panathinaikos
Εντάξει υπήρχαν και άλλες μεγάλες ομάδες αλλά ποτέ σαν του Παναθηναϊκού του 2009. Ήταν μια τρέλα να τους βλέπεις να παίζουν όλοι μαζί.
But there's LeBron James...
Cedi has the skills and the body to thrive in EL - I believe he's going to do great as a 3.5 that PAO needs badly to stay ahead of the competition. Defensively, he can defend from 2-5 and offensively he can dribble, play pnr, shoot 3s.. I believe Ataman will also do his magic to help him get his self-esteem back. Yeah Pao became a terrifying squad.
42:30 in regard of the turkish national team roster for eurobasket im expenting something like this ; pg - dogus ozdemiriglu - sehmus hazer - kenan sipahi - sg furkan korkmaz - onuralp bitim - sf cedi osman - tarik biberovic - pf ercan osmani - sadik kabaca - c alperen sengun - omer yurtseven - adem bona.
Guys congrats for the podcast and the overall content! Just a minor pointer, Panathinaikos has an abbreviation already and it's not PANA. It's PAO. I know you always try to be as thorough as possible so I just wanted to specify this out. Again much respect.
Adding Colson and Baldwin is quite good since you are getting the core players of the team that almost defeated Pana in the playoffs the team that won it all in the end.
To answer the question about the 09 team, think about that, at one time PAO had the 3 best guards in the history of Euroleague, in one team
Not only Şengün there are also Onuralp Bitim - Bulls and Adem Bona - Sixers
I didn't see anybody complaining about financial fair play when Real or Barcelona were building and still build super teams. The same goes for CSSKA in the past or the Turkish Teams. Now that the Greek teams did the same suddenly Motejunas remembered it is unfair and everybody wants "more balance"?? Seriously?? The fact that there are teams in Euroleague that have budgets of 6-7 millions doesn't mean that the rest have to lower their budgets so that there is "balance". It means that these teams don't belong in Euroleague. So just say a big thank you to the Teams that invest to upgrade this product and stfu...
Fenerbahçe taraftarıyım katılıyorum. Fener'in bütçesi o zamanlar 30m üzerine çıkmıştı, şimdi PAO 35M klüp giderleri 15m OAKA'nın yenilenmesi için bütçe ayırmış yani salon yenilenmesini çıkarırsan hemen hemen aynı.
2009 Pao is killing this Pao. It's not nostalgia its facts.
Its not about budget its all in the coach. If Panathinaikos will play defensively and offensively as coach Ataman thought it we will the ultimate team maybe even more than Panathinaikos of 2009. Last year we saw Real Madrid losing a title as the favourite. We ll see everything in the court.
The 2009 PAO team is the best 12-man roster of all time, but it didn't have the cheat code called Kendrick Nunn
2009 PAO had true superstars at their prime (ok.. probably not Saras.. but still) - we are talking about top 5 EL players throughout its history.
Today's Olympiakos is better than then the 2010 team
Τα γκαρντ που είχε τότε ο γαύρος δεν τα έχει τώρα
2010 Olympiacos was better. Just because people have overrated Vezenkov and Fournier transfers does not change that.
Way better guards and prime Bourousis who was arguably better than Milutinov or Fall.
Also SF-PF you had Kleiza, Childress.
You should understand that Giannakopoulos is not just another owner. He is a WINNER and he will always do whatever it takes to defend his team and his titles. That's why for Pana fans, this is a holy family.
oh and where was this winner from 2019 to 2023 ? and are you guaranteed that this winner will give money in 3 years ?
But this guy giannakopoulos became president of pao at 2012 and previous year was his first final four because of bodiroga(ex pao player) and the referees difala and belosevic. I checked Euroleague history and for first time previous year we saw 2 referee's playing the same team for 4 games in a row. The most critical games of the season.Maccabi deserved to be at final four but difala and belosevic had different opinion.Giannakopoulos is loser and needs the referees. That's why he didn't like Bertomeou and 50-50.
As Panathinaikos fan,i would said 2009 was the best team ever in Euroleague history because this players ( Diamantidis-Spanoulis-Saras & Batiste-Pecovic & Fotsis-Tsartsaris ) The Greek players was on Top lvl! This roster today is very close to 2009,for sure more than 9 players at the top lvl,but doesn’t have Diamantidi & Spanouli!
For panas roster maybe after 2 years we will be able to say for sure cause for 2009 is better but if this roster wins again then we can debate about 2024 roster being better
is there any game like Euroleague Fantasy?
People often complain about the lack of talent in the EuroLeague, and I see both of you complaining about the money spent by the Greek teams. How do you expect to attract talented players without paying them? The NBA is open to any player with talent; it's not like it was in the '90s or early 2000s. If you want strong teams, you have to invest.
Panathinaikos, in particular, is investing in its product, improving the facilities at OAKA and creating a new experience for fans who want to see top-level players and basketball at the highest level. You and the so-called EuroLeague mafia need to decide whether you want to improve the product or not. If you prevent owners from investing, then what are you aiming for? Mediocre teams filled with subpar players who couldn't even secure contracts in China?
They just want Spanish teams to dominate European basketball with money coming from the football clubs!!!
Turkish team isnt overrated. They are young gens. Next tournement you will see
EL staeting to seem a small league for Pao and Oly. 😮
Panathinaikos goes str8 for the 8th Euroleague Star⭐️
We want rytis opinion about Pana pls 😂
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@@giorgiosmy4080 they made a 1:30 hour show for 6 nba years with 9 average points Osman and a 5 min vid for 12 nba years and 14 average points Fournier. You must appreciate Rytis opinion more than that..
That guy is clown
@@Ostathis Cry cry, erxetai POUTSA ☘️
@@dimitrisch98 erxete na se gamisei o sasa aderfe
who would guard Pekovic now?
Kendrick Nunn will play for the Greek national team.
2009 team of PAO unbeatable
Bigger move in Euroleague this year wasn't osman or Fournier. Biggest move was Sasa Vezenkov.He can score 20 points and grab 7-8 rebounds in a normal day at work.
i choose 2009
Rytis after PAO-MACCABI 1-3 paper he disappeared 😂
ROSTERS LIKE PANATHINAIKOS WILL GET ATTENTION FROM THE NBA THATS A GREAT THING NO SPENDING LIMITS SALARY CAPS WILL NOT GET TOP NBA PLAYERS COMING TO EUROPE AGAIN
It's funny how people complain about budges now. I guess those same people were fine when CSKA was buying the best players every year spending 10-20M more than any other team. Or forget how Real and Barcelona budgets have towered above all other teams for decades now. Now that the wheels have turned. budgets are a problem for some...
real and Barca are paying 50+% taxes, way more than Greece/Turkey
A roster that cost 20M in Greece/Turkey would cost Barca 30+M to have the same roster
Not a fair comparison
Other countries have taxes too. The difference in budget was not from taxes. It was from Spanish teams offering higher contracts than anyone else. So the comparison is absolutely fair.
@@georgegrammatopoulos2669
No, go compare the net wages these players are getting in both teams.
Barca used to pay 11M for Mirotic in order for him to get 5 net, go compare that with Vezenkov who'll earn 4+ net but would cost Oly much less on their payroll expenses.
Restrictions on American players is also a factor, Spain have more restrictions i believe.
Bartzokas dislike players like Fournier etc he loves off ball players with big size like Vezenkov Peters and of course Osman.. I think that Olympiacos this year will not be able to mesh together unless Bartzokas will change his ideas and the way he sees the game .. which is unlikely
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Furkan is a very talented player. But he has not developed his physique. He is not strong enough for the NBA. I think he was a bit overwhelmed by the high expectations. I'm glad he came back to Europe, he should have come back years ago, gained confidence and tried the NBA again.
shane is playing is because turkey doesnt have a 1 for that elite level. and yurtseven will cut lessort if he is healthy like cmonBruh he can avg 2 blk 8reb 10 pts easy in 20-25 mins
Maybe you should start talking about other teams
They only speak about the teams that their fanbase likes in order to please them. You won't hear a thing about Milan, Virtus, Baskonia, Bayern and so on. If you want to hear about these other teams, I suggest you to move your ears elsewhere
As Greek and Olympiakos fan where are Greek Players??? Its a pity that now we have Giannis in National Team no players to help. Olympiakos and Panathinaikos doesn't support Greek players.....
ZAL-GI-RIS 💚🤍
2009 team would beat 2025 team by 20 points
what rytis has to say about the new panathinaikos? what he thinks are we gonna make it to final 4 ? #lmao
Imagine have created such super team than even urbonas admits it....😅
Fournier should easily outscore Osman. He's a scorer, and will take probably the most efforts, perhaps more than Vezenkov, while Osman will be just a multitool in Panathinaikos taking less effort, but ball handling, playing defence etc.
2009 Panathinaikos team was probably more stacked than their current team. I mean Hatzivrettas was at the end of the depth chart, now it's like Kalaitzakis and Moraitis? 2009 had two legendary guards, Spanoulis, Dimantidis, Jasikevicius and then Nicholas had been top Euroleague scorer in the past, Alvertis the best Greek shooter of all time, maybe one of the best in Euroleague's history. Hatzivretas (an ex Greek league top scorer and a silver World Champion winner) was a bonus. That's pretty much the best backcourt of all time in Euroleague. Fotsis and Tsartsaris interchange in lists as Best Greek PF Of All Time.Mitoglou is fine but nowhere close to such a distinction. Perperoglou as was good if not better than Papapetrou. Batiste is one of the best centers in Euroleague's history. Lessort did great but it was just his last season that he shined, until a year ago they called him "Eurocup level center". And on top of that Pekovic, another center that was great and went on to play 7 seasons in the NBA after Panathinaikos. I mean yeah, taking a center from the NBA like Yurtseven may look impressive but he didn't find a good contract in USA and came in Europe while Pekovic during his Panathinaikos years made NBA teams offer him a contract, argually being better. 2009 looks better everywhere although the current Panathinaikos team is also quite stacked.
Osman transferi kesinlikle Fournier'den daha iyi, Pana koç faktörünü kullanarak yalnızca 1.3m CeDİ'yi aldı RealMadrid'e gitseydi muhtemelen iki katını, NBA'de kalsaydı 3 katını alacaktı. Ödeyeceği fiyatı düşünürsek müthiş transfer
There is one more thing for Pao roster to be successful ,Rytis must predict that Pao will not win..
You are really lucky because of your podcasts not famous in Turkey😂
PAO BC + L.Brown/Yurtseven/C.Osman = Best team in Europe (again) ☘☘☘☘☘☘☘⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Of course, when they have 10 times more money than others.
@@kiffer6802 last season Panathinaikos didn't have the largest budget as Real had a significantly bigger and this year Olympiakos has brought more expensive players than Panathianikos. In fact I think Vezenkov alone costs about the same as L.Brown/Yurtseven/C.Osman together.
@@kiffer6802 I don't think that PAO has more money than Real Madrid. Even Olympiacos probably has a more expensive roster this season...
@@kiffer6802 then cska and real should lift it every year... Also Pana's 2002 and 2011 teams wasn't even in the top5 budget of those years!
@@kiffer6802 mimimimi
The only answer to super teams is the salary cup ;)
If there was salary cup panathinaikos would win 9/10 trophies...
@@medikos βρε μαλακά εμείς έχουμε έσοδα, οπότε μπορεί να δηλώσει στο σαλαρι καπ, εσείς τι έχετε;
Just try to get inside our "green" minds and hearts after so many dry years..
In 1 year.. new coatch..
new players..
crazy-fanatic owner..
nuclear OAKA..
result: champions.
Oh man... New season is coming.. team gets stronger,OAKA gets bigger...
After each game, our visitors will get free mousaka,feta cheese and wine..
Greek hospitality my friends.. The new OAKA waits for everybody ⭐*8☘️
* Please, don't say "Pana"..
I know it's smaller,but there's no such team in Greece.
"Panas" was a god in greek mythology 😉PANATHINAIKOS means
the team of the entire Athens city.
LEAVE THE SALARY CAPS FOR THE NBL IN AUSTRALIA NOT EUROPE IT WILL WEAKEN QUALITY PLAYERS COMING TO EUROPE
tarık biberovic
PAME STA OURANIA OLIMPIAKOS KAI PANATHINAIKOS ZITO I ELLADA HELLAS
Tarik Biberovic.
Greek teams will dominate in the next years guys, you should get used to it ☘️
2009 hands down guys. You can make a case only for Kecman at that roster.
Guards were legendary and on another level. We are talking about 3 Euroleague and World basketball Legends. Saras Diamantidis Spanoulis.
Sloukas Nun and Brown are nowhere near those 3 guys.
Lets say Drew Nicholas was on the same level as Grigonis...
I would argue that Hatzivretas was on the same level as Grant but he didn't get minutes to play.
Perperoglou, Fotsis, Tsartsaris, Kecman, Sakota VS Papapetrou, Huancho, Mitoglou, Osman, Kalaitzakis.
Tsartsaris better than Mitoglou.
Fotsis better than Huancho.
Perperoglou on the same level as Papapetrou.
Osman better than Kecman.
Sakota better shooting, Kalaitzakis better defending. Role players good at their specialty. I would say they are on the same level of supporting their teams.
2009 roster had the quality (2 better - 2 same - 1 way worse), 2024 roster has the quantity at Forwards.
Lets call it even at Forwards.
Pekovic Batiste over Lessort and Yurtseven any day. ANY DAY.
LISTEN GUYS PLAYERS CAN CHOOSE WHERE THEY WANT TO PLAYIF THE 2 GREEK TEAMS PAYS THE MOST MONEY BAD LUCK FOR THE WEAKER TEAMS IF SALARY CAPS COME IN TO THE EURO LEAGUE I GUARANTEE YOU THAT YOU WONT GET TOP NBA PLAYERS COMING AGAIN SALARY CAPS THATS PATHETIC ITS A BUSINESS GUYS GET REAL
what business ? greek clubs and spanish will lose 20mln euros this season is this business? in short term salary cap will be bad but looking long term it will improve level of euroleague
LEAVE IT AS IT IS NO SALARY CAPS THATS PATHETIC EURO LEAGUE WILL BECOME A LAUPHING STOCK
Learn English before you shout
Pana 09 but for olympiacos this team was wasted by coach giannakis who is one of the most overrated coaches in EL history
TurkPao, TurkSkai slowly slowly we are becoming a Turksantzak!
in fener too many greek players played more than turkish players.
"We"... I am happy Olympiacos' fans are pretending to be Panathinaikos. Καλό είναι να ασχολείσαι με την ομάδα σου.
@@sucluofkeli6440 don’t answer he isn’t even a PAO fan 🙌🏼😎😂
But your daddy is named Giannakopoulos (DPG). 😅😅😅
Ρουφοκαβλετες πάρτε τις βενταλιες σας και πάτε στο εξοχικό να δειτε τον βιαστή σας...Μετά κρυφτείτε πίσω απ' τις κουρτίνες σας 😂😂😂2
Well bro for every good player Panathinaikos will be inside. Fener was full of Greeks.
Macabi 3-1 rytis hohoho
That, spoiled, kid is to blame for everything…
Donatas a little bit angry because Zalgiris will always be a mediocre team. 😂😂😂
I think he just dont like suggar daddy projects like pao and now oly, they have no plan with this spending yes they will win this season or next season but what will happen then owner will not give that type of money ?
@@nesakysiu12 I think he is a little bit biased with Pana and Oly. Especially Pana. These teams have owners that never left the players unpaid and most of the money comes from sponsorship.
You are clueless...none of now days players of panathinaikos could fit in 2009 team ...you probably dont know even the half roster ...i am olympiakos but to make any comparisons to 2009 shows how clueless you are...
How were Cedi, Korkmaz and Yurtseven overrated? I mean who overrated them? Even the Turkish fans known to be very biased wasn't overrating them at all. We all knew that they were just role players. I think Korkmaz's career was disappointing, because he had the talent and tools to be more than a role player but couldn't make it happen. Cedi's career was ok I guess. He played almost 8-9 seasons in a good volume. For Yurtseven, he wasn't even expected to make the NBA. But the guy could snatch a roster spot in Miami and did quite well for a season. Calling them overrated is a bit absurd imo, they were just rated enough. Turkish National team was disappointing in the last decade, which I agree, but the fans were not expecting much from them anyway.
you are still overrating them lol. accept it both cedi and korkmaz sucks. they have always been suck. they will be bench players in fener or efes in couple of years. omer is a different story though.
@@nickwarriordiaz tamam dikkat çektin, şimdi gidebilirsin.
@@nickwarriordiaz ok
@@plvrzer kes zirlamayi velet.
@@plvrzer sus velet 2 3 sene once de agliyordunuz bole yorumlarda biz gerceklwri soyledikce. Yok furka. Nba de cok iyi yok cedi lebron la kanka nbade cok iyi kalici olczk. Noldu benim dedigime geldiniz yine aynisj olacak. Otur bekle. Sezon un yarisi gelmeden ataman benching karanlik tarafina hapseder cedi yeteneksizini
you’ll be sooo disappointed with smajlagic in a few months
Cedi, Yurtseven, Evan.. bla bla bla. Fenerbahçe'll win title!
Buy a good center and then we discuss it...
NBA is overrated. Period
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Your channels name is Pao bc
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@@alexmak2020 because PAO has obviously the best fan base.. and a much much more basketball friendly culture in it.. and of course we are the EuroLeague Champions if you forget.. Also we have the most interesting signings.. And also we are the future of European Basketball..Others will follow later..⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️☘️
Πονάς ακόμα; Μετά από τοσους βιασμούς θα πρεπε να ζει συνηθίσει ο πάτος σου😂😂
Most entertaining newcomer to watch is Rayjon Tucker,best player newcomer will be easily Jordan Nwora
lol you guys overrating both fournier and cedi. especially cedi . cedi suxxxxxx. lol they both are not gonna have that much of an impact l
Lol
I disagree. Cedi's game fits Euro more than the NBA. He can be a X factor for Pana. Same goes for Fournier as well.
@@mertkursun1342shut up mert you know nothing . people like you that idiot thought he was going to do some shit innba years ago. i said then he couldnt . i say now he couldnt either in europe aswell. they guy is a bum
@@mertkursun1342 you can disagree as much as you want. you are one of these guys who for years thought furkan and cedi can be relevant in nba and disagree with everybody who says otherwise. from the beginning i knew cedi and furkan cant stay and have relevant roıles in nba. because they lack work ethic and they are not strong and atlethic enough to do that. and i ll say now they cant be go to guy in top playoff teams in euroleague either. mark my words they are gonna be bench players either in efes or fener after this year. because they both not good enough
@@nickwarriordiaz you will take your answer soon..✊🏼😎☘️💚