Zelda's most iconic sound effect (ft.

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  • @ThomasGameDocs
    @ThomasGameDocs  4 роки тому +364

    gonna link my patreon here if you wanna join ;)
    patreon.com/ThomasGameDocs

    • @Jake_Josh
      @Jake_Josh 4 роки тому +5

      Thomas Game Docs hello.
      I have no money.

    • @geoleo965
      @geoleo965 4 роки тому +4

      I will if you pay me.

    • @dothemario8244
      @dothemario8244 4 роки тому +3

      Hi there! Is there any way i can reach out to you? Any social medias? I have an idea you might use one day. Not a very popular one, but a pretty good one

    • @rte3384
      @rte3384 4 роки тому +3

      epic

    • @Jake_Josh
      @Jake_Josh 4 роки тому +2

      Geo Leo yeah no.
      Like I said. I have no money.

  • @littlebigcomrade
    @littlebigcomrade 4 роки тому +2835

    “You can’t hear pictures.”
    Me: The thumbnail.

    • @robertwindshade7629
      @robertwindshade7629 4 роки тому +41

      As a music nerd, I can confirm.

    • @adararelgnel2695
      @adararelgnel2695 4 роки тому +22

      As someone who cant read notes automatically.... no, the image was totally silent

    • @forsaken696
      @forsaken696 4 роки тому +5

      Adara Relgnel yeah the opposite for me

    • @marinellovragovic1207
      @marinellovragovic1207 4 роки тому +5

      @@adararelgnel2695 it seems to me that you gotta have a basic skill for relative tone perception (which most humans possess) for this to work

    • @mesientogut6701
      @mesientogut6701 4 роки тому +5

      @@marinellovragovic1207 I think there's a few bits between relative pitch and sight reading the sounds. I can play by ear much better; when I read notation I first interpret how I would finger the piece on a keyboard

  • @Insert.Oregano
    @Insert.Oregano 4 роки тому +3303

    I don't know sheet music, but I know what that sound is before even starting the video. Love it

    • @beatriz3242
      @beatriz3242 4 роки тому +9

      same!!

    • @AlanTGP1
      @AlanTGP1 4 роки тому +4

      me too

    • @TigersCheerios
      @TigersCheerios 4 роки тому

      Same lol

    • @threecheeseburrito
      @threecheeseburrito 4 роки тому +32

      I'd say same, but I read music actively. It took me a couple seconds to figure it out, admittedly...

    • @TigersCheerios
      @TigersCheerios 4 роки тому +11

      @@threecheeseburrito tbf I've played piano for like 4 years and I've played that Melody hundreds of times so it's pretty much drilled into my mind.

  • @grindx1292
    @grindx1292 4 роки тому +1548

    Imagine if it was just the sound effect then the stream ended 😂

    • @Extreme11
      @Extreme11 4 роки тому +31

      Maypril fools

    • @Jake_Josh
      @Jake_Josh 4 роки тому +13

      That’s evil.

    • @sleepdeprivedsteve
      @sleepdeprivedsteve 4 роки тому +1

      It’s a video not a stream

    • @grindx1292
      @grindx1292 4 роки тому +9

      CoolPlushCadenProductions it was a premeire when i first watched it

    • @stockpin
      @stockpin 4 роки тому

      Would be much better

  • @branastasia8013
    @branastasia8013 4 роки тому +640

    So in conclusion, Koji Kondo is a genius?
    Yeah, that sounds about right. I totally agree

    • @soullessSiIence
      @soullessSiIence 4 роки тому +9

      I wouldn't call him a genius. He was given a task and he tried and tried for hours a day through months. Artists make experiments with music. It's just that that random melody ended up in Zelda. That could have been easily lost in history if Miyamoto simply rejected it back then.

    • @klop4228
      @klop4228 4 роки тому +16

      @@soullessSiIence I mean, the majority of 'geniuses', whether artists or scientists or otherwise, tend to work things out by trying again and again.

    • @klop4228
      @klop4228 4 роки тому +4

      @@littlefishbigmountain Agreed. the 'test of time' is as much marketing and luck as it is genius.

    • @littlefishbigmountain
      @littlefishbigmountain 4 роки тому

      klop422
      And of course opportunity

  • @goalhorncrazy9779
    @goalhorncrazy9779 4 роки тому +1445

    Once again Thomas showing his crush on link with the thumbnail

    • @ThomasGameDocs
      @ThomasGameDocs  4 роки тому +327

      you got me

    • @malumute
      @malumute 4 роки тому +32

      @@ThomasGameDocs lmao

    • @Radien
      @Radien 4 роки тому +49

      After Breath of the Wild, I think we should now all agree that Link is hot... to everybody. Bar none.

    • @mxrcvrii
      @mxrcvrii 4 роки тому +15

      Thomas Game Docs i mean don’t be ashamed, link is HOT.

    • @tokiWren
      @tokiWren 4 роки тому +21

      Who doesn't have a crush on Link?

  • @austinisacson5825
    @austinisacson5825 4 роки тому +287

    I love how Koji Kondo used the music for the flute in Zelda 1 and then turned it into the amazing theme song for Ocarina of Time

    • @rtyuik7
      @rtyuik7 4 роки тому +27

      the warp whistle from ZeldaNES is also the warp whistle from SuperMarioBros3, before it became the beginning to the OoT "Press Start" screen...and its also popped up in SkywardSword: some Bokoblin horns will blow the 'warp whistle' tune while others may blow the LttP 'Flute' tune...

    • @austinisacson5825
      @austinisacson5825 4 роки тому +5

      @@rtyuik7 yeah, I saw the Zeltik video about that. The tune also appears in the minish cap when you use the ocarina in that game to teleport. I'm guessing you already knew that, but I wanted to mention it.

    • @popsicIes
      @popsicIes 4 роки тому

      So THAT'S why it sounded so familiar!

    • @VoxelMusic
      @VoxelMusic 4 роки тому +3

      I love how they completely reused a LoZ asset for SMB3 down to the tune, idea and similar sprites.

    • @fearless_cloud
      @fearless_cloud 4 роки тому +2

      Flute sound at 4:05

  • @eorther
    @eorther 4 роки тому +438

    that discord call music scared the crap out of me dude omg

    • @ultaedits5751
      @ultaedits5751 4 роки тому +23

      I thought: who the heck's calling me at this time?

    • @leoburkart435
      @leoburkart435 4 роки тому +13

      Same omg, I was so confused for a second

    • @billynotesberg9269
      @billynotesberg9269 4 роки тому +10

      Me too, and I didn't even have discord open

  • @Wombattlr
    @Wombattlr 4 роки тому +644

    It's kinda like the classic Nokia ringtone. The amount of times they remade it AND it worked... My God...

    • @nabilaqiel3035
      @nabilaqiel3035 4 роки тому +1

      Like mtv logo

    • @kettleworks
      @kettleworks 4 роки тому +46

      except that the infamous Nokia ringtone wasn't composed by anyone at Nokia. It was composed by Francisco Tarrega and is from the song "Gran Vals" here ua-cam.com/video/uSQzUx3QW2Y/v-deo.html

    • @vilhelmopynandi2964
      @vilhelmopynandi2964 4 роки тому +6

      Yeah, how not forget...
      Arabic Nokia Ringtone 👳

    • @nahor88
      @nahor88 2 роки тому +1

      Don't forget about the secret solved theme from the Metroid Prime series... it has that same satisfying effect of mystery and triumph.
      I have that as my text message tone, and the Zelda secret theme as my notifications tone lol.

  • @Radien
    @Radien 4 роки тому +451

    Another interesting trait I noticed about the “secret” sound that wasn't mentioned in this video:
    Not a single note is repeated. It's as though the downward melody leaves a bunch of unsatisfying random holes, and then the upward melody fills them in with a structured solution.
    I'm not sure whether 8-bit Music Theory felt this was worth mentioning, since it isn't difficult to find two different chords that don't share any of the same notes. Still, I find it to be satisfying. ❤️

    • @DanielMazahreh
      @DanielMazahreh 4 роки тому +2

      That’s brilliant! Wow!!

    • @javierbenez7438
      @javierbenez7438 4 роки тому +1

      F# is repeated

    • @GJP95
      @GJP95 4 роки тому +4

      @@javierbenez7438 you mean G sharp

    • @popsicIes
      @popsicIes 4 роки тому

      @@GJP95 The key signature is different. I read in alto clef, so it looks like an A# to me, even though something like a violin would call that an E#.

    • @Far3288
      @Far3288 4 роки тому +12

      but the bit is written in treble clef soooo why read it in alto clef to begin with?

  • @Mini20Rosetta
    @Mini20Rosetta 4 роки тому +64

    i’ve never heard the flute sound effect before and i was so shocked when i did and noticed it was oot’s theme!!

  • @JaneXemylixa
    @JaneXemylixa 4 роки тому +83

    About how vague and keyless it sounds: most iconic musical cues or motifs feel like words, but when compared to them, this one is more like an emotion - sort of an undefined "...?".

  • @Mommavery
    @Mommavery 4 роки тому +103

    Can I just say here that these videos are always dang near perfection? Like if I tried to explain this stuff I’d be making awful noises but not when you say it... the editing, explaining, it’s just sooo good!

  • @coolbeandip
    @coolbeandip 4 роки тому +68

    Personally I think the most iconic sound effect is the “item get” sound

    • @hollowhoagie6441
      @hollowhoagie6441 4 роки тому +9

      YOU GOT A THIIINNNNGGGGGG

    • @shin_a
      @shin_a 4 роки тому

      Hollow Hoagie where did you get that from?

    • @mmtruooao8377
      @mmtruooao8377 4 роки тому +1

      @@shin_a chuggaaconroy i think?

    • @shin_a
      @shin_a 4 роки тому

      mmtruooao hmmm. Maybe.

    • @3ericw
      @3ericw 4 роки тому

      For me it's the opening chest moment as link peers into the chest and expectations rise

  • @almogz9486
    @almogz9486 4 роки тому +101

    4:03 this sound effect became the main melody of ocarina of times main theme!

    • @wizard1370
      @wizard1370 4 роки тому +15

      It is also the warp whistle theme in SMB3

    • @dominicmoisant8393
      @dominicmoisant8393 4 роки тому +2

      The chromatic bit is in pokemon stadium as well

    • @RBdriver25
      @RBdriver25 4 роки тому +2

      Also in some older Gameboy Pokémon games. I’m thinking Gen 3, when you’re in a cave.

    • @markjuarez6469
      @markjuarez6469 3 роки тому

      Nayru’s Love Song

    • @lacytheespeon517
      @lacytheespeon517 Рік тому +1

      It’s in the shrine theme in bots too

  • @substandard5587
    @substandard5587 4 роки тому +54

    Spirit tracks is so underrated.

    • @armchairrocketscientist4934
      @armchairrocketscientist4934 4 роки тому +8

      Phantom hourglass and Spirit Tracks were my first two Zeldas. Though Wind Waker is now my favorite, I still have a soft spot for them. I whole heartedly agree - the community could give them a bit more respect.

    • @xshobux
      @xshobux 4 роки тому +2

      PH was good but a bit repetitive with the temple of the ocean king, I think ST definitely improved on it. They're both underrated for sure

    • @armchairrocketscientist4934
      @armchairrocketscientist4934 4 роки тому +1

      @@xshobux Speedrunner Linkus7 did two awesome videos on the DS games, and like him, I actually like the temple of the ocean king more than the tower of spirits.
      Every time I got there I felt stronger, and I found new routes to make it through faster. But the tower of spirits felt the same every time. There were also some puzzles I got really stuck on.

    • @xshobux
      @xshobux 4 роки тому

      @@armchairrocketscientist4934 that's fair. It's been years since I've played either so I'll definitely have to give them a go again.

    • @armchairrocketscientist4934
      @armchairrocketscientist4934 4 роки тому

      @@xshobux But hey, it just may not be your cup of tea.
      Link to the Past is by all accounts an outstanding game, one of the best ever, but I don't have a lot of fun playing it.
      My only problem is when people slander others for their gaming opinions. I often see PH and ST listed as "the worst Zeldas," but I don't think any Zelda deserves to be branded with so mean a designation.
      Even Zelda 2, as it needs to be viewed by what was considered quality at the time. It also has some pretty dang good music.
      My personal least favorite Zelda, Triforce heroes, at least had some interesting multiplayer stuff.
      There are other series that need a worst game designation, like Roller coaster Tycoon, that went downhill after 3.

  • @katasiapa
    @katasiapa 4 роки тому +159

    I play this sound everytime i found a penny under my bed.

    • @kame9
      @kame9 4 роки тому +1

      hahahhahaha

    • @not2tired
      @not2tired 4 роки тому +8

      When I find a penny, I hold it up and sing the "da da da daaaaaaa" sound

    • @SlenderverseTrash
      @SlenderverseTrash 4 роки тому +1

      Oh so I'm not alone lol. It's the only tune I can play on my guitar

  • @donielf1074
    @donielf1074 4 роки тому +467

    How is 8BMT’s face reveal not even on his channel?

    • @Roarshark12
      @Roarshark12 4 роки тому +37

      I know, right? *Finally*, we get to see what he looks like. 8-Bit Music Theory: Rock on, brother :) And Thomas Game Docs: excellent video. Thanks to the both of you, and keep up the good work!

    • @sscu26
      @sscu26 4 роки тому +34

      @@Roarshark12 He's also shown it before on an Adam Neely's podcast thing. It's called "Musica Analytica" if you want to check it out.

    • @Roarshark12
      @Roarshark12 4 роки тому +2

      @@sscu26 Found it, fantastic, thank you!!

    • @Brandywine53
      @Brandywine53 4 роки тому +1

      Who knew he lived in his mothers basement?

    • @forsaken696
      @forsaken696 4 роки тому +11

      Calen .Johnson who knew you’re a fucking loser

  • @crystalcollision5432
    @crystalcollision5432 4 роки тому +27

    before i clicked on this i was so sure he'd say the "dodododooooo" item sound. when i found out i was wrong though, i was like "huh that's so weird why didnt i think of it?" until i realised ive never got past the first dungeon in any Zelda game, so of course i wouldn't be familiar with the sound.

    • @APerson-tx7ei
      @APerson-tx7ei 4 роки тому +1

      Oh no

    • @AmandaDavis6130
      @AmandaDavis6130 4 роки тому +2

      Insert the “oof” sound effect

    • @freetube200
      @freetube200 4 роки тому

      Same, I feel ya

    • @crystalcollision5432
      @crystalcollision5432 4 роки тому

      @@freetube200 i always get lost or chicken out its pathetic XD im helpless without a walk through, but here's hoping breath of the wild is different for me

    • @littlefishbigmountain
      @littlefishbigmountain 4 роки тому

      Crystal Collision
      I heard Breath of the Wild was designed so that the player could have more creative freedom to progress through the puzzles and explore the world instead of just having one solution

  • @MissingHunter
    @MissingHunter 4 роки тому +110

    when you are waiting for the premiere with the sheet music of the sound effect in front of you the whole time.
    Me: Is this supposed to be a secret?

    • @EBattousai
      @EBattousai 4 роки тому +4

      It's a secret to everybody.

  • @mdrnlevi
    @mdrnlevi 4 роки тому +84

    Got nothing to do with the video but Song Of Storms is a musical masterpiece and should be cherished.

  • @Oddie99000
    @Oddie99000 4 роки тому +32

    Hey, this melody from Breath of the Wild has actually been my phone’s ringtone 😌

    • @magpiehours
      @magpiehours 4 роки тому +18

      otakurocks ok?? Its the UA-cam comment section. Notice how its called a “comment” section and not an “answering questions that people asked” section. They original comment even relates to the video which is more than you can say about many. Stop being a dick and like open a window or go outside or literally anything more productive than shitting on people in the yt comments

    • @imchase7796
      @imchase7796 4 роки тому

      Mine is the sheika slate

  • @edgelord8337
    @edgelord8337 4 роки тому +30

    Another interesting upload.
    I don't actually know much about the Zelda series since I've never played a single game in my life but channels like this can educate folks like me who don't know.

    • @brucetwarce129
      @brucetwarce129 4 роки тому

      And here you are again :'D

    • @IERServer
      @IERServer 4 роки тому +3

      I'd be the typical commentator saying that you should play them, but I myself recognize I have never played any Sonic game either, so.

    • @littlefishbigmountain
      @littlefishbigmountain 4 роки тому +1

      I haven’t played that many but my personal faves are Majora’s Mask, Ocarina of Time, and Twilight Princess. I wanna play Breath of the Wild but I don’t have the console for it

  • @J0elPeters
    @J0elPeters 4 роки тому +21

    Here's a good way to think of the sfx: "what exactly have I found?" Every time you hear that just imagine Link saying that out loud, in a sing song voice.

  • @geoleo965
    @geoleo965 4 роки тому +43

    For me, _"A Link to the Past"_ is the best soundtrack of the franchise, considering how it also coined the themes and pieces that are enjoyed to this day.

    • @geoleo965
      @geoleo965 4 роки тому

      @Petraplexity Same goes for that purple heart emoji. Just so you know!

    • @Tmob
      @Tmob 4 роки тому

      Geo Leo can't take criticism lul

    • @geoleo965
      @geoleo965 4 роки тому +1

      @@Tmob You can't even write properly... How can I take you seriously?

    • @armchairrocketscientist4934
      @armchairrocketscientist4934 4 роки тому +3

      I have a hard time picking just one game!
      I can find at least one track from every Zelda game that I love.
      Wind Waker and its soundtrack is my personal favorite, but then I like the chip tune sound of LttP and Minish Cap, the dark tilt to Majora's Mask... I love em' all.

    • @robertwindshade7629
      @robertwindshade7629 4 роки тому

      @@armchairrocketscientist4934 Yeah, they all have their unique charm, while still being so... Zelda. It's part of what really makes each game so different, and yet still the same.

  • @ChristopherMoom
    @ChristopherMoom 4 роки тому +407

    The jingle that plays when you solve a puzzle is overrated, clearly, the most iconic Zelda sound is the "Dodo do doooo" that plays when you get an item

    • @epicgamer6678
      @epicgamer6678 4 роки тому +24

      Well, you did get the thing.

    • @lampishboi
      @lampishboi 4 роки тому +34

      do do do doooooo

    • @MissingHunter
      @MissingHunter 4 роки тому +33

      but Zelda is a puzzle game... Surely solving the puzzles should be more important, right?

    • @blackman9291
      @blackman9291 4 роки тому +2

      That’s what I was thinking!

    • @Cuzjudd
      @Cuzjudd 4 роки тому +31

      I agree with the second part, but not that the puzzle melody is overrated

  • @metal9lover9maniac
    @metal9lover9maniac 3 роки тому +2

    Wow, I didn't know there were others who were as mystified at this amazing sound as I am. This was so cool. Thanks for the video!

  • @SubsonicNoise
    @SubsonicNoise 4 роки тому +7

    Another sign of how good it is: I‘ve had it as my notification sound for emails for years now. I get a ton of emails, but I‘ve never gotten sick of it. I use the breath of the wild version, so when you played it in the video, i instinctively paused to check my emails 😁

  • @ssserani
    @ssserani 4 роки тому +37

    I just want to mention that saying this sequence doesn't relate to any particular key is not entirely accurate. Although it's not easy to see, this sound does point to one key more strongly than others, and here's why:
    Like you said, there are two halves to this sound. The second half is very clearly an augmented triad, but just looking at the first half note by note doesn't immediately tell you anything about it. Instead, you have to consider the half-step voice leading of the G-F# and A-G#. Both instances can be considered a chromatic approach note towards their intended goal note, the first of which solidifies F# as a chord tone, and the second leading smoothly into the augmented triad. To me, it looks like the first half is at the very least a diminished triad serving a predominant function, and if you choose to look at other notes as possible implications, potentially a secondary dominant pointing towards the true dominant (the augmented triad).
    First, let's look at where the augmented triad could lead us. Being a symmetrical chord, each note could potentially act as the root and lead to multiple tonic chords. These three relationships would be E -> A, G# -> C#, C -> F. Purely taking the second half as is, the bottom note is a G#, which would give some direction towards C#. However when looking at the motion of the first half leading into the second half, that pull becomes slightly overshadowed by a more prominent direction. This particular diminished chord consists concretely of D#/F#/A, with an implied C. Assuming that these are meant to lead upward by a half-step, as is most often the case with diminished chords, we can see the resulting goal notes are E/G/A#/C#.
    Looking at the four possible goal notes, only one of them is found within the augmented triad that is being led to - E. With this information, we can deduce that the augmented triad is likely an E augmented leading to A, but there is one more piece of evidence to look closer at. The one note which seemingly has nothing to do with the chord in the first half, the first G, actually plays a rather important role in disambiguating this motion. Taking the idea of the first half being a rootless secondary dominant chord (not uncommon to see in many different circumstances, but most notably jazz, considering Kondo's musical influences), it becomes even clearer that a B7 -> E+ motion is visible. In a dominant chord, it would be perfectly acceptable to use the b13 (the G in this case) to create voice leading into the 5th, which is exactly what's being done here.
    All this is to say that I'm pretty sure this sequence isn't as tonally ambiguous as you may think, and I think it likely is meant to point to A minor, ending on a half-cadence for dramatic effect. Hopefully someone found this interesting and if you have any other ideas, feel free to reply.

    • @Kawdek
      @Kawdek 4 роки тому +1

      Great analysis by far, and that definitely contributes to the feeling of the state of the environment being changed somehow, as in the dungeons. I’m not as well versed with chord progressions so forgive me if my terminology is a bit off or my perspective a bit simplistic, but I think the fact that it sounds so satisfying as well is because of a “floating” C major inversion over the course of the theme. It starts on a G and ends on a C which already might suggest a cadence that resolves towards the tonic. I believe that the E takes a more pivotal role than the G# to the listener since it’s right after a leap, where you hear a discontinuation between the descent and the ascent rather than a simple wave-like motion. Together I think this “suggested” C major chord adds an overall more positive effect to the melody than just the augmented arpeggio it ends on.

    • @zackwyvern2582
      @zackwyvern2582 4 роки тому +1

      Disagree with the introduction of the diminished chord. The progression is purposefully much more expansive than that. It sounds more apparent that the first half is suggestive of "G B D# F#", and if you've listened to Scriabin, the mystical and wondrous sound matches with greater confidence.
      With this structure (interrupted then by the A), it becomes clear that this is a shifting of augmented chords by a half step: from B Aug to C Aug. Kondo's choice to implant the second Aug chord on E makes this more ambiguous, but essentially, the harmony here is simpler than that - it's a chromatic step up.
      To illustrate, consider replacing the progression with: G D# B B C E G# C
      Obviously a lot of character is lost - notably, the predominant "major-ness" of the first chord (F#), which brings the lustrous sound, and the befuddling note (A) - and without the root motion B - > C, the harmony becomes less familiar, but this basic structure is still closer to what is going on in the original.
      You might have over-interpreted it, but good writeup though.

    • @hazeldaniels1679
      @hazeldaniels1679 4 роки тому +2

      Personally I feel I'm a little more likely to interpret the first chord as a diminished chord built on D#. My first instinct when hearing it is that it sounds like a chromatic mediant, (which makes sense when considering enharmonic spellings) but I feel it's a bit more complicated that that. The soprano voice here has a distinct resolution from g to c, which is really only considered 'proper' voice leading if C is the root of the augmented triad. If we view these chords as blocked, and thus as 2 satb chords, we notice that each voice actually voice leads in an extremely traditional way, with the g to c being the only leap, which makes sense if the second chord is a C augmented triad. Though in western classical styles, augmented chords are usually viewed as being built on the dominant, I dont think that is necessarily the case here, primarily because of voice leading. If we consider the key as C for a moment, we see the upper voice resolve g to c (traditionally the bass line in a PAC) Fi resolves upwards, like it normally would be expected to, but the G is sharped to make it augmented. The D# resolves up to E, also as you would typically expect, and the A resolves down to to G sharp. From this perspective, this comes off a lot like a traditional chromatic mediant that has just been harmonically messed with until it's as ambiguous as possible while still maintaining some internal consistency, and then voiced to emphasize the motion between the dominant and tonic. However, most importantly, I think I it is significant how 'proper' the voice leading is considering the chromatic modifications.
      Building off of my voice leading point however, perhaps, still thinking in the key of C, but only for now, this could be viewed as a modified german 6th chord. The voice leading is similar, on the whole. The C augmenter chord is voiced and doubled like a second conversion chord, which is the standard resolution of a german sixth as moving directly to V is frowned upon to avoid paralells. The Fi is present, and resolves up, like a german 6th. The Me is present, if enharmonically respelled as D#. The c is absent, (which actually shows how similar our two analysis' are in a way'. However, a G is included, and ends up taking the missing C's spot in the resolution. Finally, in a true german 6th, the A would of course be flat, in order to stronger resolve down to G, but since G is sharp, A is natural to keep the same movement even though its going to an augmented triad instead of a Major or minor one. The typical resolution of the F# moving up to G and the A flat moving down to G is still present, just modified slightly to account for the second chord being changed to augmented. Of course, under this perspective, you would expect the C augmented to act as a credential 6-4, meaning it would move to G#, and thus resolve to a tonic of C#, accomplishing a modulation in a really really cool way, moving only one tone of a credential 6-4 upwards. (I actually kinda wanna try this out in a full composition for fun some time)
      Of course, any of these interpretations are up for debate. I think in the end, trying to put a name or function to the first chord will always be a means of adding cohesion to 4 notes that are, in the end, just neighbor tones to the notes of the augmented chord (with the exception of the upper g, which resolves up the 4th to C). Of course, that is essentially what a german 6th chord is anyway. Of course, you could view practically any predominant chord as 'just an embellishment of this dominant'. Additionally though, Japan uses a mostly western music system now, but the influences of traditional japanese music tends to lead Japanese composers to view harmony in ways just slightly different from us in the west. Either way, this is an incredibly fun 8 notes to analyze.

    • @jenniferchough
      @jenniferchough 4 роки тому +3

      I think you actually proved the point that the series of notes is meant to be more ambiguous than not by your having to write three paragraphs about it. If it was clearly in one key or another, there obviously wouldn't be any discussion like this needed. But the point they're making is that it isn't blatant or clear. Even you used the words "implications" or "possible" or "likely" or "assuming" about the run but it's obviously not something made concrete by Kondo. More than anything, that's the point they're making, which allows for theorizing as you did so well.

    • @GunterBrenner
      @GunterBrenner 4 роки тому

      Yep I feel it as an B7 #13 that resolves to a E7+ that wants to resolve to an A- but that's because jazz and everything is some sort of a II - V - I haha Probs Koji Kondo was beboping around and improvised that line lol

  • @aurafox1
    @aurafox1 4 роки тому +9

    I'm not even a musician but I can hear that thumbnail.
    I definitely know more about level design than music theory, so it's really cool to hear the thought process behind the music that's so essential to the game's full experience!

  • @Radien
    @Radien 4 роки тому +33

    Thomas: “Now, there's a single moment that the entire Legend of Zelda series is ba- ”
    Me: “Except Zelda 2. They didn't include it anywhere in Zelda 2. Seriously.”

    • @SeppelSquirrel
      @SeppelSquirrel 4 роки тому

      The "Find a Fairy" sound feels like they rearranged some of the notes, at least.

    • @TheLibran1
      @TheLibran1 4 роки тому +5

      Well Zelda 2 was the odd man out in a lot of ways so that shouldn't surprise anyone.
      I have beat Z2 several times and I never noticed it was missing. But it doesn't really have puzzles in the same way either.

    • @soullessSiIence
      @soullessSiIence 4 роки тому

      That game is a blasphemy in the franchise anyways. I don't even consider it part of the Zelda universe.

    • @TheLibran1
      @TheLibran1 4 роки тому

      @@soullessSiIence I don't blame you, they made a mistake doing it the way they did.
      As someone who plays a lot of retro games, I just play it for what it is but its bottom of the barrel compared to any of the other Zelda's.
      Zelda 2, and all the CD-i games!

    • @SeppelSquirrel
      @SeppelSquirrel 4 роки тому

      @@soullessSiIence Despite its problems and repetitive nature, I still love it.

  • @Lemondrop2124
    @Lemondrop2124 4 роки тому +26

    This sound actually unnerves/scares me, I didn't realize anyone thought it sounded satisfying until I watched this video lol

    • @SoujiOkitaTwo
      @SoujiOkitaTwo Рік тому +1

      How does this sound unnerve you?

    • @levs5319
      @levs5319 Рік тому

      @@SoujiOkitaTwoI guess it could be that its mysterious sounding but I have no clue

  • @devindoesntlikeyou2546
    @devindoesntlikeyou2546 4 роки тому +4

    The beginning of the guardian theme is incredibly memorable, so it definitely sits in second place. I have it as my alarm, because it immediately wakes me up

  • @connorlaw8362
    @connorlaw8362 4 роки тому +11

    The notion that the tritone is the "devil's interval" is a modern invention, btw. There's no reference like that dating very far back.

  • @seunkuru
    @seunkuru 4 роки тому +85

    Watching Thomas while my teacher yells at me for not doing work

  • @MrsKwan-fz6mf
    @MrsKwan-fz6mf 4 роки тому +19

    I thought it was gonna be the chest opening sound effect

  • @applemaniac3658
    @applemaniac3658 4 роки тому +38

    I don’t know what I’d do if Zelda wasn’t a thing

    • @armchairrocketscientist4934
      @armchairrocketscientist4934 4 роки тому +3

      There's never been a truer statement - I'm going into Game design, so picking up Phantom Hourglass on DS literally changed my life.

  • @willyj3321
    @willyj3321 4 роки тому +4

    The way he says “at all” at 3:13 is really funny to me for some reason.

  • @imchase7796
    @imchase7796 4 роки тому +3

    Imagine how different the Zelda games would sound without him being the composer. A legend indeed

  • @KujoA2
    @KujoA2 4 роки тому +7

    4:05 I never made the connection to the OOT title theme until now.

  • @tomnicbl367
    @tomnicbl367 4 роки тому +118

    when you comment instead of chatting in the live chat :)

  • @Maeve_Rose
    @Maeve_Rose 4 роки тому +1

    the thing 8 bit music is trying to call into focus is dissonant and relief. the dissonant notes cause "stress" and the triad gives a sense of conclusion and relief to the melody, evoking the "puzzle finished" relief.

  • @MenaceGallagher
    @MenaceGallagher 4 роки тому +1

    This was so fucking professionally put together. I'd expect this from a production company with dozens of employees, the fact that you put this together yourself is incredible.

  • @RyuPhrog
    @RyuPhrog 4 роки тому +16

    5:15 I actually thought I was getting called on discord lol

  • @happycamperds9917
    @happycamperds9917 4 роки тому +8

    The crossover that nobody wanted but one that we needed.

  • @infinitefretboard
    @infinitefretboard 4 роки тому +5

    After playing it a few times on my guitar, I'm hearing it as a V7(b13) - I+ in E Major. But I suppose the augmented triad stops it from sounding resolved like we're in a key.

    • @NathanSkky
      @NathanSkky 4 роки тому +1

      Infinite Fretboard Oh thank goodness I’m not the only one. I kept scrolling through the comments waiting to see if anyone else saw it as basically a spicy V - I, haha.

  • @rocksrock7173
    @rocksrock7173 4 роки тому +4

    Before I watch the video, I’m placing my bets on the chest opening sound.

  • @frushani
    @frushani 4 роки тому +6

    "so i reached out to an expert"
    any discord user - (panics) ohsdgroihgds WHOS CALLING ME

  • @i_am_m_plant
    @i_am_m_plant 4 роки тому +7

    Concept idea: every puzzle solved jingle of every zelda game played at once

  • @_taylor_1604
    @_taylor_1604 4 роки тому +15

    I’d argue the “Wow, look you found something important in a chest” sound is slightly more iconic

  • @sagevoyage
    @sagevoyage 4 роки тому +3

    Imo, the chest opening sound effects is the most iconic. This is a VERY close second

    • @sa3270
      @sa3270 4 роки тому

      But it's not in every game.

    • @sagevoyage
      @sagevoyage 4 роки тому +1

      @@sa3270 or rather, the item get sound. The one that's been in every game since the NES

  • @MarkGamed
    @MarkGamed 4 роки тому +2

    I love how he opens with a different drum sequence each time

  • @AlC355
    @AlC355 4 роки тому +7

    Also, I don’t know if anyone mentioned but, the first note a G is resolving and last note, a C. In tonal music it’s call a perfect cadence (V to I) witch sound very satisfying.
    As for the middle part you got all those strange intervals. But the meaning of them, in my opinion, is that they are dissonant. And what are dissonances uses for? Building tension.
    I think it does fit in C scale, it’s just really pushed harmony. The fact also that those are single notes makes it sound more mysterious because we have less information about the harmony. Like the puzzle it only resolve itself on the very last note.
    Truly a genius work

    • @hazeldaniels1679
      @hazeldaniels1679 4 роки тому

      Personally I like to view it as a resolution from a diminished chord built on D# to a C augmented. My ear perceives it as having a chromatic mediant sound, which makes sense when analyzed in this way (If considered enharmonically anyway). I didnt think about the V-I movement in the soprano voice until you mentioned it though. It reminded me to consider these as blocked chords as well, which is interesting because the resolutions when viewed that way are pretty standard. Fi resolves up (though of course the g is sharp but the effect is still there), D# resolves up to E like it would in strict satb, the g jumps to c as you've mentioned, and the A resolves down to G. In essence, it uses very modified versions of traditional harmony while still having a semblance of cohesion, and then resolves them in very traditional voice leading. Super interesting to look at I love it 😊

  • @Charlie-hv3dh
    @Charlie-hv3dh 4 роки тому

    0:54 Ok that B roll with the stalnox in the back was so nice and satisfying, Really love this video dude! It's super amazing!

  • @PixiePrincess501
    @PixiePrincess501 4 роки тому

    I've been feeling pretty crappy lately, but this totally made my day! Hearing the history of my favorite game franchise EVER always puts a nostalgic smile on my face. Thank you, Thomas Game Docs! :3

  • @jevinday
    @jevinday 4 роки тому

    Loved it! I usually play Breath of the Wild with the sound off (because I've played it so many times) and sometimes I turn the volume up real quick if I know the sound is coming because it's just so damn satisfying. I loved learning about the music theory behind this sound effect. Thanks for making this!

  • @jenniferchough
    @jenniferchough 4 роки тому +1

    It's funny how it ended up as my watching a totally different UA-camr's channel that led to me finally seeing @8-bit Music Theory's face lol. I never had til now. Great collab, gents!

  • @Lukz243
    @Lukz243 4 роки тому +2

    bringing 8-bit was worth for such a video
    btw, when I saw 8-bit's video for the first time, given I've NEVER AND EVER studied music or music theory in my life, my reaction was "WHAT THE HECK IS HE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND WHY I NEVER STUDIED MUSIC BEFORE"

  • @somethingwithjoey1964
    @somethingwithjoey1964 4 роки тому +1

    OOH i love 8-bit music theory!! It is so interesting to watch!! That's so cool that you got to ask him a question about this stuff

  • @aleccino
    @aleccino 4 роки тому

    I think the satisfaction of this melody comes from the contour. In the first descending half, the intervals get steadily wider from a minor 2nd, to a minor 3rd, then the tritone before hitting the low G sharp. This creates an exponential tumbling effect that feels like it could keep rolling down, but then it bounces off the jarring low G sharp, and the next ascending interval that follows is the largest interval of the whole tune - a minor sixth. This, followed by the two still quite wide major thirds gives a very organic shape to it. Imagine dropping something bouncy off a high surface - it speeds up as it falls (widening intervals), hits the ground with some force (the unexpected low G#), then springs up with great speed (the large minor 6th leap). The shape of it really is ingenius the more I think about it. If this tune were continued you could imagine the intervals getting smaller as the "bounce" loses momentum. That's my analysis of this. But I definitely agree with the mystery of the non-diatonic nature to it.

  • @jamesthenabignumber
    @jamesthenabignumber 3 роки тому

    A really great concept for a video, and I really appreciate the tight editing too! I love 8-bit Music Theory too!

  • @joshdahm7647
    @joshdahm7647 4 роки тому

    I hear a B7 with a diminished 13th resolving to a E augmented. (No root note in the dominant chord.). It's how each of those tones resolves that make it so satisfying, yet surprising. The Aug 5 of the E is the fun surprise, kept until the last note. A simple V7-I, but with flair- one changed note per chord. 🙂

  • @chawk_
    @chawk_ 4 роки тому

    Thomas, as i’m sure you know since you write these video, many of us have never played zelda or never even played a video games yet are still able to watch this video and understand everything thanks to you not assuming we just will know things. Very helpful and makes the video much more enjoyable because i don’t get the urge to leave your video and go google stuff which ultimately makes me just leave the video altogether.

  • @thebugmangaka
    @thebugmangaka 4 роки тому

    I really loved this video, Thomas! I liked how you showed the cords on the keyboard, and showed how it changed throughout the different games! I'll definitely be showing this one to my dad, he'll love this :D

  • @armchairrocketscientist4934
    @armchairrocketscientist4934 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for giving one of the DS Zelda games some love at the beginning of the video. 👍

  • @PeachToadstool
    @PeachToadstool 4 роки тому

    Awesome video! I had no idea you were working with the amazing 8-bit Music Theory too!

  • @faganwilcox2443
    @faganwilcox2443 4 роки тому

    You put these together so well. Kudos. It's so inspirational to my own music

  • @KizXii
    @KizXii 4 роки тому

    Immediately knew which sound effect it was before going into the video goddamn it feels so satisfying to hear it

  • @jlchips
    @jlchips 2 роки тому

    omg the phantom hourglass and spirit tracks clips! i absolutely love ph (and spirit tracks too)

  • @clonefighter1996
    @clonefighter1996 4 роки тому +4

    Every time I watch something game-related like this and hear “To answer that,” I’m ready for “we need to talk about p- Overflow jumps!? ... Oh, and Parallel Universes.”

  • @lacerdabruno1
    @lacerdabruno1 4 роки тому

    I love the sense of both question and resolution that this sequence of notes has.

  • @Pawl0solidus
    @Pawl0solidus 4 роки тому

    I love the 8 bit music theory channel! It’s amazing! And this is the first time I’ve seen his face.

  • @BenjaminDenverstone
    @BenjaminDenverstone 3 роки тому

    The puzzle solved theme is one of my favorite sounds in Zelda. That and opening a chest.

  • @vanillune
    @vanillune 4 роки тому +16

    Im gonna be getting the hi there hoodie for my birthday! :)))

  • @josephwaller2035
    @josephwaller2035 4 роки тому

    This was a wonderfully informative video. Thank you

  • @fivestringpat
    @fivestringpat 4 роки тому

    oh just a collab between two of my favourite channels, NICE.

  • @hk7498
    @hk7498 4 роки тому +6

    Just realized Ocarina of Times title theme is the same as the warp whistle

  • @jakecosenza69
    @jakecosenza69 4 роки тому +1

    The sounds feels like you fallen into or stumbled up the answer to a mysterious question...which is exactly what happens in the game. It's a perfect audio effect to the action happening.

  • @MiloPrime
    @MiloPrime 4 роки тому +1

    Never imagined this crossover could happen but I am very pleased

  • @andynalysis
    @andynalysis 4 роки тому

    Great video! Especially the technical limitation they worked with in the 80's but managed to come up with such iconic music is really fascinating to me!
    Some people addressed this already in the comments:
    About the motif not fitting a key or a chord; at its core it is actually a very basic V - I progression (B7 --> E). Yes, the minor second intervals create tension, but that tension is resolved with the half-step-down-movement of the a (b7 in B) to g# (3 in E). The g (b13 in B) and the c (#5 in E) do indeed create a mysterious colour, as you pointed out, but the V - I resolution is the main reason that it sounds so satisfying.

  • @emilio9790
    @emilio9790 4 роки тому +1

    This dude should have 1 million subscribers

  • @gon9684
    @gon9684 4 роки тому

    I see it as D# diminished triad resolving to C augmented triad. The first note is like an apoggiatura, a half note movement to the "target note", it helps giving it a more linear sound. It also works well because the D# diminished resolution is also there, because C augmented is pretty close to E augmented. The voice leading is there. The A resolves to G#, the D# resolves to E and the F# resolves to G# and the C goes on top. I think this is in line to how Koji Kondo would think about this.
    So basically it's a type of vii° - i resolution

  • @marksalmon6403
    @marksalmon6403 4 роки тому

    For me sound in games is such a major part. Not just the effects but all sounds.
    I love the soundscape of Celeste, soo beautiful.

  • @ishaaqk8947
    @ishaaqk8947 4 роки тому

    You are one of the most unique Nintendo channels on UA-cam and I absolutely love it.

  • @deusexmaximum8930
    @deusexmaximum8930 4 роки тому +5

    Be cool if it made the warp whistle sound when you teleported in botw

    • @armchairrocketscientist4934
      @armchairrocketscientist4934 4 роки тому +3

      There are a few fun nods to Zelda 1 in BotW though: one is the Hylian script that floats up from a way point. Translated, it reads "it's a secret to everyone."

    • @jordanlucas7392
      @jordanlucas7392 4 роки тому +1

      @@armchairrocketscientist4934 *It's dangerous to go alone

    • @armchairrocketscientist4934
      @armchairrocketscientist4934 4 роки тому

      @@jordanlucas7392 Ah, that's the one, thanks.

    • @KujoA2
      @KujoA2 4 роки тому

      @@armchairrocketscientist4934 and the Death Mountain theme.

  • @TomTheCasual
    @TomTheCasual 4 роки тому

    I immediately knew what this was about ever since the thumbnail, nice job!

  • @IERServer
    @IERServer 4 роки тому +1

    You know what's satisfying? Watching your videos. Their quality and smoothness is above the vast majority of youtubers.

  • @iTzKaiBUD
    @iTzKaiBUD 4 роки тому +3

    Actually the first half of the melody is built off of the “whole-half” scale. This scale is a scale that’s built off whole step then half step repeating until you hit the octave. If we were starting on c the notes would be C-D-Eb-F-Gb-Ab-A-B-C which has a very diminished feel to it. Also the second half the lower G# is also part of the augmented chord not just the last 3 notes. I just thought it was funny that he said the first half doesn’t fit in a chord or scale. This is a more advanced jazz scale so I would understand him not having heard of it.

  • @QuartzOfficial
    @QuartzOfficial 4 роки тому +1

    holy sheet dougdoug and you uploaded in the same day

  • @jacobooooo
    @jacobooooo 4 роки тому

    awesome video, really insighftul and well edited! i knew what the sound was before the vid even started haha

  • @PanicbyExample
    @PanicbyExample 4 роки тому

    solving a puzzle is like undoing a scale... that it goes deep then comes out of it sounds like an surprised answer to a question the first part is posing... how will you get out of this one? i managed to get out? honestly i thought the iconic sound was going to be the new item sound, that four tone crescendo after you get the boomerang or a map... sounds like "you-aRE-THE-MAAAAAN!"... love that sound

  • @GrizzyLatrizzy
    @GrizzyLatrizzy 4 роки тому

    Something I noticed about this song over 30 years ago:
    Sometimes when playing the original Zelda, the game would slow down from bombs. This slowed the animation and the sound. This jingle, when slowed down, sounds like the song that plays during the ending, and on the continue screen. I'd like to compare those notes to see if they're the same or close.

  • @popminu
    @popminu 4 роки тому

    You’ve literally become one of my favorite channels, love the stuff

  • @tenelum9865
    @tenelum9865 4 роки тому

    BotW was the first Zelda game I beat (not played, but beat) and I spent sooooo much time listening to that piano soundtrack that it is forever ingrained in my mind. I thank all the Zelda games for giving me great experiences. (I’ve also almost beaten the original and the remake of Ocarina of Time on the 3DS)

  • @hotleg777
    @hotleg777 4 роки тому

    I think ending on the fifth from the beginning note also contributes a lot to the feeling of "triumph", of having solved a puzzle. Since the melody is so quick your brain can kind of blur it to a "dah DAH" root to fifth sound, which is a really "celebratory" or "big" sound.

  • @Twitchy2654
    @Twitchy2654 4 роки тому

    Two of my favorite UA-camrs! This is awesome!

  • @UrbanAves
    @UrbanAves 4 роки тому

    This sounds is hardwired into my brain as a direct source of serotonin

  • @popmushee
    @popmushee 4 роки тому

    Something else to consider: The first half has a dominant flavor (V7/E or viiº/E), resolving to the E+. Also, nearly every note in this sound effect is unique, giving it a sort of twelve-tone flair. Funny enough, the first four notes (G, F#, D#, A) is actually a really common tetrachord [0236].

  • @420HBKHHHDX8
    @420HBKHHHDX8 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the channel recommendation. I am binging now every video xD

  • @Jake_Josh
    @Jake_Josh 4 роки тому +18

    Thomas: da da da daaaaa!
    Me: block sound.
    Everyone: Are you Re-
    Yes. Yes I am.