Thinking back to the Spanish cooperatives, they should do the same in Greece for the water plant. That way the citizens control it through buying it, and the government does not. They'll be able to make a profit and they'll be able to make sure that it is not priced too high or bad water quality because they live there themselves.
We've tried doing that through the 157 movement, where everyone pledged 157 euros to buy our local water company. Guess what, they didn't accept the bid! No excuses where offered either! Greece is not a sovereign nation, we've been a colony for a long time now and our governments are all funded by other interests. Our national phone company was privatised and is now called ---DRUMROLL--- Deutsche Telecom! Kudos to the brits for leaving the fourth reich that EU is becoming.
Greece, Spain, France and Italy is living on its agro and tourisme, it is not that that hard to survive without industry if your population is relatively small. The industry particularly 21st century industry does not favor Europe at all, everyone should be busy to build alternatives now.
Is this a 2013 production?! It's such a powerful and great story, I wonder why it took so long to be released! It is very similar to the Blockchain concept but in the real world - revolutionary. Also, must commend the amazing documentaries coming out much more regularly in the past 3-4 months. A lot of them seem to be produced much earlier but only released now, why is that so?
Hello C Saurabh, VPRO has started this channel as a part of a new project: we subtitle VPRO documentaries and travel series with English, Spanish and French subtitles and we set it up on UA-cam. Some publications are from documentaries produced a few years ago, indeed, but they are worth the watch anyways. It's interesting to see the perspective we had then, and how things changed and evolved in between, right? We also release more recent documentaries, but there'll always be a delay, given the translation time. :) And yes, we release a new documentary on this channel every week. We hope to have answered your question. Best regards
Need to cut amounts down. When 300 000 dollars turn into 3000. Mint coins again. Get rid of credit. And realize that a materialistic society isn't a good one. Really what most people need is place to stay, food, garments.
Interesting, but ultimately it is about risk and and consequences. The big problem with Greece is that it was obviously risky to loan them large amounts of money long before the economic crisis. This was a financial and political risk that big lenders such as Germany and its major banks took. Then, the bubble burst and it turned out that it was inconvenient for that risk to have consequences for anyone. It was inconvenient for Greece, which could not afford to have its government and economy collapse. And it was inconvenient to the big lenders and their governments (which you can't really see separately) that would prefer not to see hundreds of billions in bad loans evaporate from their books overnight. Also it was inconvenient for the EU to deal with a chain effect of Greece and other struggling countries to remove themselves from the EU. So more risk was taken to avoid all of that in repeated rounds of loans, money printing, and renegotiated loans that were defaulting. I would argue, that allowing the banks to get away with this sets us up for future failures. And failing to restructure the loans for Greece sets that country up for decades of misery, until they finally pull the plug on the euro, devaluate, and get rid of their debt that way. This is inevitable unless something changes. The current loan structure makes no sense whatsoever; it basically involves people who haven't even been born yet paying off debts of their grand parents throughout their lives via taxes and living in a crippled economy because of it. I think it is a matter of time before the Greek decide that that they are not interested in doing that. The way out is of course the political decision to spread out the risk of this over time (more loans) combined with a unpopular but very necessary implementation of actual consequences for the banks: debt restructuring with a goal of nursing the Greek economy back to something sustainable. Banks took the risk lending money to a rather desperate and hopeless Greece and they lost their money (or rather our money, because banking is all about dodging responsibility and accountability). They should have known better. and some of them probably deserve to go bankrupt because they didn't. It is likely this cost will eventually be absorbed by tax payers across the EU; as it should. Though I'd definitely vote to let their shareholders suffer in equal measure: this risk was taken on their behalf. But we all collectively backed the governments that backed the banks that did this, and the pension funds, and all the rest. One way or another, we all end up paying.
Debts are sacred and you have to pay them so this process and situation will still affect your country but it is nice and fantastic to know that people there are finding ways to survive and to overcome the crisis. I have visited Greece twice recently and I really like your country.
Politically correct "ideology," lifestyle or fashion will resolve nothing in Greece. They think, for example, that doing away with middle men will solve the problem, but what about distribution networks, which is the very added value of middle men? I am afraid that the problem of Greece is more down to earth rather than in the clouds: Greece suffers from incredibly bad regulation and nightmarish bureaucracy. I agree with one thing though: Greece has gone bankrupt some 20 years ahead of Europe. The same predicament lies ahead for most European nations, they will be all sacrificed at the hands of a pseudo-legalistic class of bureaucrats, determined to block whatever there is to block in order to ascertain their power (and kickbacks).
26:37 Its called "class war", didn't Vaclav Havel tell you? Plenty of reasons why the market is chosen as the regulating hand instead of class inequality. Mainly because few people like the power structure as it is when there is inequality. Nothing new here.
It's just Dutch, not alien hahaha! Dear Feral Crafter, all our documentaries are provided with English, French and Spanish subtitles. You just have to toggle the captions. You can choose the language you want in the caption settings.
Long live beautiful Greece !!!!!!
I wish VPRO had a channel US television. Good stuff! Very Insightful.
Thank you. The US can watch us directly on this channel!
I dont know why this life mattering awesome documentary ends up with 700 view so far. Everybody shuld see this.
Thank you for your appreciation. This documentary was uploaded yesterday only, but if you share it, we will get more views. :)
AGREED, everybody SHOULD see this!!!!!!!!!
Please add subtitles.
Thinking back to the Spanish cooperatives, they should do the same in Greece for the water plant. That way the citizens control it through buying it, and the government does not. They'll be able to make a profit and they'll be able to make sure that it is not priced too high or bad water quality because they live there themselves.
Interesting comment, have you watched this documentary? ua-cam.com/video/Mwwq3ujkfkU/v-deo.html
We've tried doing that through the 157 movement, where everyone pledged 157 euros to buy our local water company. Guess what, they didn't accept the bid! No excuses where offered either! Greece is not a sovereign nation, we've been a colony for a long time now and our governments are all funded by other interests. Our national phone company was privatised and is now called ---DRUMROLL--- Deutsche Telecom! Kudos to the brits for leaving the fourth reich that EU is becoming.
very interesting response to the economic crisis!
Great Look at Greece from a different point of view! I look forward to your uploads more than church on sunday :)
Thank you!
Greece, Spain, France and Italy is living on its agro and tourisme, it is not that that hard to survive without industry if your population is relatively small.
The industry particularly 21st century industry does not favor Europe at all, everyone should be busy to build alternatives now.
love to live there,might !
watje janssen i f its possible
I love greece, i was there.....
WOW! So glad I'm subscribed and watched this video.
Is this a 2013 production?! It's such a powerful and great story, I wonder why it took so long to be released! It is very similar to the Blockchain concept but in the real world - revolutionary.
Also, must commend the amazing documentaries coming out much more regularly in the past 3-4 months. A lot of them seem to be produced much earlier but only released now, why is that so?
Hello C Saurabh, VPRO has started this channel as a part of a new project: we subtitle VPRO documentaries and travel series with English, Spanish and French subtitles and we set it up on UA-cam. Some publications are from documentaries produced a few years ago, indeed, but they are worth the watch anyways. It's interesting to see the perspective we had then, and how things changed and evolved in between, right? We also release more recent documentaries, but there'll always be a delay, given the translation time. :) And yes, we release a new documentary on this channel every week. We hope to have answered your question. Best regards
Subtitles would be nice
Subtitles are available in French, English and Spanish, you just have to click on the little wheel icon to choose the settings you want.
Thanks
Need to cut amounts down. When 300 000 dollars turn into 3000. Mint coins again. Get rid of credit. And realize that a materialistic society isn't a good one. Really what most people need is place to stay, food, garments.
At 48:42 , starts a great song ( rock song based on traditional Cretan music , do not know what the song is)! But it lasts only for a few seconds
Cooperatives of small producers to add value and exports would help
I want too move there
dianne hall I'm coming t
FIRST GREECE MUST ERADICATE ALL THE TRAITOR & THEIR CO-CONSPIRATORS!!!!!!!!!!
My holiday villa is in greece the peloponnese proper greece my profile pic is the villa
I would love to move there I'm english and I hate England
Interesting, but ultimately it is about risk and and consequences. The big problem with Greece is that it was obviously risky to loan them large amounts of money long before the economic crisis. This was a financial and political risk that big lenders such as Germany and its major banks took. Then, the bubble burst and it turned out that it was inconvenient for that risk to have consequences for anyone. It was inconvenient for Greece, which could not afford to have its government and economy collapse. And it was inconvenient to the big lenders and their governments (which you can't really see separately) that would prefer not to see hundreds of billions in bad loans evaporate from their books overnight. Also it was inconvenient for the EU to deal with a chain effect of Greece and other struggling countries to remove themselves from the EU. So more risk was taken to avoid all of that in repeated rounds of loans, money printing, and renegotiated loans that were defaulting.
I would argue, that allowing the banks to get away with this sets us up for future failures. And failing to restructure the loans for Greece sets that country up for decades of misery, until they finally pull the plug on the euro, devaluate, and get rid of their debt that way. This is inevitable unless something changes. The current loan structure makes no sense whatsoever; it basically involves people who haven't even been born yet paying off debts of their grand parents throughout their lives via taxes and living in a crippled economy because of it. I think it is a matter of time before the Greek decide that that they are not interested in doing that.
The way out is of course the political decision to spread out the risk of this over time (more loans) combined with a unpopular but very necessary implementation of actual consequences for the banks: debt restructuring with a goal of nursing the Greek economy back to something sustainable. Banks took the risk lending money to a rather desperate and hopeless Greece and they lost their money (or rather our money, because banking is all about dodging responsibility and accountability). They should have known better. and some of them probably deserve to go bankrupt because they didn't. It is likely this cost will eventually be absorbed by tax payers across the EU; as it should. Though I'd definitely vote to let their shareholders suffer in equal measure: this risk was taken on their behalf. But we all collectively backed the governments that backed the banks that did this, and the pension funds, and all the rest. One way or another, we all end up paying.
Jilles van Gurp All countries must kick out their central banks that are creating massive debt.
Debts are sacred and you have to pay them so this process and situation will still affect your country but it is nice and fantastic to know that people there are finding ways to survive and to overcome the crisis. I have visited Greece twice recently and I really like your country.
"Debts are sacred and you have to pay them". Utter rubbish - banker ideology and nothing more.
5e 1 , was going to say the same thing , well said .
And yet Greece forgave debts all German debts after ww2. You must be a banker or loan shark!
“ Debts are sacred...” 😂
Politically correct "ideology," lifestyle or fashion will resolve nothing in Greece. They think, for example, that doing away with middle men will solve the problem, but what about distribution networks, which is the very added value of middle men?
I am afraid that the problem of Greece is more down to earth rather than in the clouds: Greece suffers from incredibly bad regulation and nightmarish bureaucracy. I agree with one thing though: Greece has gone bankrupt some 20 years ahead of Europe. The same predicament lies ahead for most European nations, they will be all sacrificed at the hands of a pseudo-legalistic class of bureaucrats, determined to block whatever there is to block in order to ascertain their power (and kickbacks).
AAAAaaaaa i see, documentary from 2013 when the plan was Mr. Tsipras, (00:18:20 speech)
to become prime minister....well successfully became one!
we the 99 have had enough.. we just want to live and love...
dianne hall I agree this statement would make the 1% shiver in fear.
0.9% still has little to do with the ruling elite, you might be thinking about 0.1% or even 0.01%
Greece is the answer it will come alive again with new revlations from the past .This will happen by end of 2018. Nyvlem Stone
On one hand they skip the middleman and don’t pay taxes as a side effect, on the other hand they want a working infrastructure.
2100jul They can't afford to survive without cutting out the middleman for now.
the future is decentralized
and they say anarchism cannot work...!
Please provide translation..nobody is understanding anything
26:37 Its called "class war", didn't Vaclav Havel tell you? Plenty of reasons why the market is chosen as the regulating hand instead of class inequality. Mainly because few people like the power structure as it is when there is inequality. Nothing new here.
"Grease is the word, is the word, is the word..." - Frankie Valli
hahaha!
Neponset River The actual name of the country is Ellas.It was never Greece, but that's what wound up on paper
Neponset River
Use some grease on your hair and your ass stupid
4:08 sorry I am Greek ;)
"Greece is the answer" -that's in English. How about subtitles in English? Not everyone speaks Greek.
Da da da da da da
I heard, " onira". It means come over here my child in Korean.
well "onira" is "dreams" in greek
English please! Or you might as well be speaking alien
It's just Dutch, not alien hahaha!
Dear Feral Crafter, all our documentaries are provided with English, French and Spanish subtitles.
You just have to toggle the captions. You can choose the language you want in the caption settings.
We no undestand greecs wtf