"I'm a simple man, Spider-Man. I see a wall, I run through it." "You know, it's actually refreshing to have a villain like you. I'mma just let you have this one."
I really didn't like Wanda in that movie. On the one hand, she was an absolute menace. On the other hand...where was this level of power when an indestructible raisin killed her hubby and wiped out half of the universe? On that same note...the whole movie was teased as "Dr. Strange's actions from No Way Home are shattering the multiverse" and ended up being "Wanda is crossing the multiverse just so she can find one universe where she has kids". God damn was that movie so mid...
@@GhostGuy99It was straight up shit. I'm not even hold you on that. I heard that the team had something else planned but chose to go with the "villain route" with her character.
Then they decided that it was all because Thawne wanted Barry to notice him. Honestly, they could've just left it as "If I can't be his best friend, I'll be his greatest enemy".
Anyway, I love when villain are actually the good guys or it just someone doing his job. I hate it when they trying too hard to justify some villain's action by making a complex backstory.
"Because you were home" is the coldest thing I've heard in a WHILE. Villains like this, and villains who are high on their own sense of righteousness, are low-key the scariest to me because there's just no reasoning with them. "I will do what needs to be done" at least implies they know what they're doing is bad (to an extent) and follow a code. But these two will NOT stop chasing you down bc they're either as amoral as it gets or convinced that they're fully in the right.
People claim it’s unrealistic to have a “just evil” villain but there really are people who are just terrible to others because they can be. “Who gon check me??” is the scariest motive to me, idc
“Some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn….” -Alfred Pennyworth
Exactly. While it’s no longer canon, the Darth Plagueis novel showed Sheev was a sociopath since he was a child, and he slaughtered his entire family without REMORSE. And a reminder, this was before he rose to Supreme Chancellor.
Kinda interesting that it has 3 villains: - goldilocks --> an antagonist with a wish of her own that is morally acceptable. -Jack --> A purely evil villain that is purely selfish but comedic. -Wolf --> A fundamental force of nature, Neutral evil that doesnt really pick sides.
Its his personality that carries it. most villains dont have a personality and dont draw any interest. A motivation can be a gateway to have one but its not neccesary
I'm not even sure he pretends it's for balance but Vader definitely thinks he's keeping order and preventing anymore wars/cimes. Vader probs imagines a perfect world where fellow nazis say good morning and follow all the rules so he doesn't have to control them. Not that Vader wouldn't kill someone who is obedient but influential, just because it threatens his control and he isn't taking chances on them trynna have a say against him or make people hope for change
@@firestriker3580 Palpatine is probs just like an old and wound up guy and the lawn is cut perfectly so when he sees people who used to step on it, he smacks them round the head just out of anger and denies that he did anything when their parents ask what made their son cry Basically him vs the Jedi He at least has to have a reason to hate them
@TheTyroofToriyama no no no Vader doesn't believe what he's doing is right and even says to Luke he isn't worth saving and he's too far gone and just assists palpiteen because he has nothing else and palps didn't wake up one day and say imma rule the universe he had psychological problems from birth and was always leaning towards the dark and then met and became the apprentice of Darth plagues (I think that's how you spell it) and then after becoming a sith he wanted to rule all he was evil for no good reason
The Last Wish had no business being that stinking good man. Every villain was great, and Jack exemplified what this video was talking about with a remorseless, low down villain.
Jack Horner was such a breath of fresh air because of this trend Edit: Another one is Ballas from warframe. Mans is heartbroken and uses it as an excuse to kill all life
It's not even a trend. People just like to say a character without motives are flat and not well developed. But, and this is just me, i don't see a problem with them.
“Well, you know what they say: “Can’t bake a pie without losing a dozen men”” “Oh! OH! That was horrible! Your wish is horrible! YOU’RE HORRIBLE! You’re an irredeemable monster!” “Oh, what took you so long? Idiot!”
Disney just wanted a Joker clone, but they failed to understand that the joker was still evil even in that movie, plus coming from a more humble background. Cruella DeVill, on the other hand, comes from the same hierarchical class as Thomas Wayne, so it doesn’t work.
@@jonathandixon1305 agree just because someone is certifiably insane and you can sympathize with his backstory doesn’t always take away that they are still very much evil.
those puppies literally pushed her mom off a cliff... skinning the entirety of their lineage is literally a coping mechanism and a trauma response and besides she's probably a scorpio so it's fine. girlboss slaying too
A good villain has a motive that can be understood, but not one that justifies their actions, otherwise they stop being a villain and become an antihero.
This is why I like Dio. He doesn't have some sort of complex motivation as to why he's a bad guy he's purely a narcissist. And that's what makes him getting his ass beat so enjoyable.😊
Jojo has great villains Dio is the most evil for the sake of being evil Kars wanted to becomes the ultimate being or the strongest Kira is a realistic villain with small reasons not world domination or any grand scheme or ambitious goal Pucci is a villain with a holy mission Funny Valentine he did it for his country only, so f### the rest of the world
Jojo villains would be peak if they didn't just kill the protagonist whenever they had the chance. Dio could have killed Jotaro the first time stop but he was goofing around and instead decided to move Chef hair up the stairs and back down 8 times in which he could have wiped the whole crew
The colonel in avatar would literally walk out into an atmosphere he can't breath in, holding his breath. Just for the slim chance of being able to shoot someone.
But they never ask ‘what makes a man like the fire that much’ you gotta wonder that this behavior doesn’t just come from nothing like a hurricane doesn’t just appear it’s a buildup from other factors. I think the want to have just ‘evil for the sake of evil’ is because we kinda don’t want to humanize our enemies at all which ironically what the villains do to their victims.
I love both villains that are evil just because they want to be AND villains that actually have a meaningful/relatable reason as to why they do what they do. Both are good when used correctly
My favorite villains are the ones who enjoy their villainy. You know the ones who enjoy making their plans and traps, while also getting a kick out of their banter with the hero.
Honestly, same. These days it seems like every villain needs to have a sympathetic past or a justified reason to do the messed up stuff they did. I just want a villain to root against without getting into an argument about real-life morals.
A amazing Villain right now in Anime is All for One...The dude is straight up evil...Like he doesnt have a sad ass background or anything like that, he is just a very bad guy....And I love it....
@@jawz9455 I disagree because naruto has suffered as much as any of the vilains honestly so if anything he is breaking there logic and hypocrisy by his mere existence
"Why did you blow up that orphanage!?" 'Sympathetic' Antagonists: "It all started back when my parents thought I was smelly..." Villains: "What were they gonna do? Tell their parents?"
The recent villain (High Evolutionary) in GOTG 3 was straight up evil and not a sympathetic victim. The dude was evil just because he never liked life and the universe was made.
@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk Nah. High Evolutionary in the comics is literally just some asshole obsessed with ''perfecting'' evolution, especially humanity's. He believes he's chosen to move humanity into the next step in evolution and he does that shit while ignoring Mutants, Eternals, Inhumans and others who ARE the next step or were altered into advancing said steps. lol He's a straight up jerk with a superiority complex.
I guess his version of simply being evil is that he so powerful, singleminded and dettached that he treats conquests like a holiday tour and just likes to travel a lot...
This is why Sundowner is loved as a villain. He also loves being cruel for the sake of it, but he’s smart enough to not always show it. But when you get to see him be him, it’s amazing and hilarious.
I like that the Reverse Flash discovers that he’s evil and doesn’t change his destiny. So he’s just evil for the sake of being evil. He is in an evil loop. He wanted to be his hero and then suddenly he had one realization then was like “fuck it Berry‘s mom is dead.”
But The reverse Flash cant change his destiny can he ? I've always thought that he wanted to be the flash and found out he was The flashes worst enemy and it drove him insane and he became obsessed with the flash and became the reverse flash I thought he HAD to be the reverse flash and didn't have a choice.
I’m pretty sure that his motive in all the Ben 10 series. Don’t get me wrong he’s my favorite Ben 10 villain too followed by S’skar and Albedo, but only really his appearance changed not his goals.
@@emanuelrodriguez9044 i know, classic just portrayed it the best.
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@@shaneairoso5529 classic was a fucking menace, being half a corpse and intimidating Ben, being a barely recovered being mantained by machine and running Ben for his pockets and once he came back all right and well, he was the fucking Menace
MF literally backstabbed a god in ultimate alien because people worshiped him for looking like said god and decided "nah, you're not getting any of this, fuck you"
Jack Horner and High Evolutionary are proof that an audience doesn’t need to understand why the villain is evil to enjoy the movie, sometimes, in fact most of the time, we want to see a bad guy who is just a bad guy
I really love both the High Evolutionary and Jack Horner as pure evil villains and Namor and Stain as morally grey so I think it’s good to have both, but there needs to be more of a balance to it.
My man Dio is the most heinous mf in anime, how do you get accepted to a family where you're guaranteed a good chunk of inheritance and you go "NAH, IMMA BREAK YOUR FAMILY AND GET ALL OF IT"
Life of Dio: He was abused from a young age from his alcoholic father, yet he isn't affected at all mentally (he keeps his sanity). He killed his father by poisoning his beer multiple times. He gets adopted by a rich AF family in England. He abuses his brother, making his life miserable. He kills the family dog by locking him in a furnace just because he brought happiness to JoJo. He sexually assaults his brother's girlfriend just to fuck with him. He poisons his dad, who is luckily saved. He almost gets arrested for that. He ends up actually killing his father with a knife so he can get blood for the vampire mask. He becomes a vampire and has an epic fight with JoJo, which ends up in a tie. While recovering, he kills more people that the amount of bread crump's Zeppeli has eaten in his life. He loses to JoJo, who has trained his hamon. As just a head, he kills JoJo and steals his body. He stays in the bottom of the ocean for 100 years. He comes back 2 seasons later. He befriends Pucci and teaches him about heaven. (Adding at least 4 more seasons to the show) He builds a zombie army with the help of flesh buds. He fights Jotaro and the others and loses by just a little. And then the aftermath of his actions, aka the universe resets.
@@rory8182 honestly that's hard cause it's like reverse flash can be evil because of his powers. Like you can't go back in time and erase your enemies best friend if you can't time travel. But Dio like off jump okay Meets mc Says hi my name is Dio Kicks MC's dog Gaslights dad into why it's jojo's fault Proceeds to manipulate everyone into hating Jojo Kisses his girl Kill his dog He did this over the first few weeks he even showed up at twelve. Then he proceeded to become a vampire and used his immortality to try and torment jojo's entire bloodline and try to kill them.
Yeah, now the heroes are the "evil ones". While the villains are always portrait as misunderstood victims. F that, F everybody who agrees with that hypocrisy!
people said they were tired of flat 2d villains so media over corrected and made every villain some guy who wanted revenge for there countries destruction(military games/movies) or some guy/girl who whos sympathetic(superhero movies) in 10 years we'll be tired of every villain being super hitler again and go back to what we have now
@@jackmakila3776 we’re already tired of anti heros and sympathetic villains. That’s why everyone loves jack horner, reverse flash, Frieza, palpatine, Vader etc. Even your country argument goes with civil war, the dude has a sympathetic backstory but was still shown as evil
Joker in The Dark Knight comes to mind. He did what he did simply because he both could do it and wanted to do it. No greater good bs. No good intentions leading to bad actions. He's just a straight up VILLAIN. He woke up and chose violence. That's what makes him so damn entertaining and what makes it so cathartic when Batman beats him.
You know what’s better? He didn’t come to them until Batman pushed them to the point they were desperate, this man out right disrespected the mob multiple times and went out of his way to kill one of them because he wouldn’t shut up
I made them draw lola bunny with fewer sexual features so that you wouldn't be horny. Reducing your blood flow, making you a millisecond slower... slow enough for me to kill iris.
Is me Barry do you know why you have this speed do you know why you kind of look different than your dad that's because I f***** your mom Berry that's it I'm your father . Nooooooooooooo Ooooooooooooooooo😂
@@omegasaiyanuchiha3426 Kid Buu and king Piccolo are kind of weird since they have a good versions of the characters. Zamaszu is also weird since he is evil, but believes what he is doing is just.
It's all about balance but I think one of the many reasons why people miss evil villains nowadays is because it offers more space for the heroes to become likable. When the villain is more human than the hero the hero becomes borderline trivial.
Good. That's the point. It's better, more relatable storytelling. In real life, there are no bad guys or good guys. Each is the protagonist of their own story. Everyone believes they're the good guy.
Nah this is revisionism lol Ozai is barely talked about in the ATLA community unless people are talking about him in relation to Zuko or when there's another dumb Korra vs Aang debate happening and people pull out the villains to measure feats. The villains people typically actually talk about from Airbender on their own merits are Azula, Zuko, Zhao, Hamma or even Sozin cuz they actually had interesting motives. Its why no one likes the evil kite from Korra, hes just a bland evil villain.
And he was basically like the ruler of the land, he held all of the power not only over his armies and the land he’d conquered, but over other characters like Zuko and Azula. He basically ruined their childhoods and now they work for him like lapdogs, that’s how you make an evil villain.
@@ozairchishti1264 Exactly the Problem. If your Villain Bland than you need to fix it. People enjoy just evil Villains because the Writers can really play and have so much fun with that. Jack Horner being a Perfect example.
I am straight up tired of people thinking there isn't a place for pure evil characters in stories. Just like how I am tired of people thinking that there's no place for Superman. Edit: I just want to say that I'm glad we can have a comment thread that is both informative and respectable. Please share your opinion without being a villain. Show decency and understanding towards others. Thanks y'all 🫡
I just think theyre overrated. Art reflects reality to some extent. People who we consider bad dont consider themselvss bad. I think its fine to have the occasional psychopath villain. But thats just not how it works. I moved to anime in the 90s because too many western cartoons were like that. Felt too simplistic. My main move to anime was because of the larger depth in conflict. Doesnt mean theres no room for the other. But we all moved away from these tropes for a reason. Many of us got tired of it before even hitting a double digit age
@@unclebobboomergames if you really believe that there are more bad people, who are morally grey, then yes it would reflect on real life. But reality check, most bad persons in real life are dicks because they can. there is no sad backstory, no higher purpose, only greedy self-centered people who profit one way or another of other´s missery OR unwise fools who would rather preach their ideals and see themselvs as enlightened, rather than accepting reality.
@@unclebobboomergames yeah I get it, and I'm glad that you got me too. I'm just not fond of when people think that there's only one way to write villains.
Bro read my mind with this one. I remember watching Puss in Boots the Last Wish for the first time, saw Big Jack Horner, and went “finally a villain who’s evil just cuz he’s evil”
This is why Frieza is one of my favorite villains. The dude is just evil just cuz. He'll slaughter literally trillions of people including children and laugh about it because the explosion looked really cool
Yes it is so nice to see a villain that is so evil evil that they are dying and they aren’t sure which out of the millions of evil things they did which one of them was way they got the death they got
Villains like sundowner are such a great subversion of current villain trends. Dude kills because he likes it, and thats the only place he feels natural in.
"And kids are cruel. All people are naturally, they just lose touch with it as they get older. Start thinking they know right and wrong, "That's immoral!" War crime this, code of conduct that... But kids you can mold into performing all kinds of atrocities! And there's nothing like a good atrocity to keep a war going!"
Fully agree. I want my Villains do be absolute bastards. I don't need some sad ass backstory or need to see things from their perspective, give me fully evil, unrelenting Villains!
I mean... I'm not gonna say that all villains need to have some kinda motivation or backstory to explain why they're doing the things they're doing, but I'm not gonna say that all villains ever need to just be evil for the sake of it. Sympathetic villains are _fine,_ but I do get the want for more pure evil villains.
@@Blue-fg8vtwell the problem there is when it makes sense, people start letting them off the hook easily. A better example would be Darth Vader as a sympathetic villain. We all get why he ended up as he did, but the difference is he knows he was wrong for what he did and is essentially trapped in a prison of his own making. He’s not constantly making excuses or saying anyone in his position should do the same. He is remorseful, Palpatine is not
This is one of the reasons Jack Jack Horner was a great character in the Puss in Boots sequel because he was unremorseful and even directly mocked the 'tragic villain' trope.
It’s nice to have a balance of both types. Like there’s that one morally ambiguous person who’s doing bad things but not just straight killing people that makes you question your own society and it’s own inner workings and then then the person that’s straight evil because it’s kinda fun and not playing mind games just because they’re a shit.
Doffy not only killed his own dad, murdered his own brother, but he also forced a king to commit genocide on his own citizens, all because he felt entitled to. Yeah, he isn't called the 'Heavenly Demon' for nothing.
You have to give it to Jack Horner He is straight up owns that he's a horrible person but seriously most villains should be looked at like that child who didn't get a slap hard enough
@@mediokay508 I feel this day and age people confuse empathy and sympathy for the same thing take you can see a villain having a point and being completely justified but if they are completely insane that's when you know the point is moot and they need to be put down or disciplined like a child rather than just feeling sorry for them and wanting to help them their beyond help and should now be treated like a childish lunatic destroying the way of life for others because they had a bad day or you can join them as they're point was definitely understood and completely justified
@@commonviewer2488 To be fair, a lot of people would lose to Ant-Man if he ditched his morals. Just look at Marvel What-If. ...yes, I know he was Yellowjacket there, but _they have the same powers, dammit!_
But for him to be the Endgame Villain of the franchise and we hear about the stuff he's capable of we barely got to see in the movie I was very disappointed when he got defeated by future rustic ants and a blast from the wasp to show propaganda
This is exactly what I love. Not every single villain needs to have a reason for why they're evil. Lots of fictional villains are villains simply because they can be. Carnage, for instance, is an utterly merciless psychopath. Dude doesn't need reasons to kill people. He simply does it.
If Star Wars taught me anything, it's that there is room for both sympathetic villains *and* irredeemable ones. Hell, comparing the former with the latter actually helps make any potential redemptions more likely, especially if they help kick the asses of the latter.
Yup 100%. You have redeemable villains like Darth Vader and Kylo Ren. You have understandable villains like Darth Maul and Count Dooku. And you have pure evil irredeeemable villains like Emperor Palpatine. They are all great in their own ways. The recipe to success is a balance of the different kinds of villains.
I love Zabuza because he was evil just because he wanted to be, but is also human enough to recognize his mistakes because of someone that was helping him in his evil deeds. A *human* evil character is always my favorite instead of just evil for the sake of it.
Lex luthor is the close to the embodiment of this concept in my mind. Why? Because when asked if he can cure cancer for someone related to him, he does but only for 15 seconds before he GIVES HER CANCER AGAIN. He didn’t want to help he just wanted to prove he COULD cure cancer, just so he can say he’ll never do it again. Lex is the pure embodiment of “I think I’ll play god”
I love sympathetic villians, the problem is that writers refuse to punish them for their actions. Like yeah I get it your mom died, but that doesn't mean you're allowed to commit mass genocide.
What if the villain that's evil for the sake of it,became evil in the first place because they loved evil so much that they see good as a disease that troubles and ruin evil?
@tftg458 comic Thanos or movie Thanos. Doing everything for a girl makes him a simp who Deadpool eventually beats to the punch. The movie plan is where Thanos basically forgets about people being able to repopulate and eventually after a few years we would still be in the same problem. He also cut in half the population of worlds he already committed massacres in so those worlds are basically 25% of their original population. He could have just rewritten reality to make resources more sustainable and made things more peaceful between people.
@ignitionpoint535 Do you seriously think that even with all of that good deeds, It will cause a intergalactic peace for 1000 of years? Thanos decided it to do this in a hard way, because without it the people might be too spoiled and still bring in the cycle of chaos. That is the sad part, only 1 in 10000000 choices might be the only option to save everything, that was what Dr.Strange said.
Heroes these days have such a saviour complex it's frustrating. By all means, I'm not against heroes that don't kill, but they're overzealous with it or it makes no sense. There comes a point where you need to protect the people in danger, not the villain.
It all depends on how the villain and heroes are portrayed. There are many shows like current MCU and MHA with this trope and it doesn't make a bit sense. Then there are heroes series like OPM and toaru where it makes sense because of how things are portrayed.
That’s why I love characters like Uhtred from the last kingdom. Guy is clearly the hero of the story but he’s not a GOOD guy in the sense that he lets his enemies love just to furfill sone selfish goal. Aethelwold was begging for his life and Uhtred still killed his scheming ass.
Ikr, was just saying that I loved when Goku was allowed to let loose. Frieza kinda does have a reason but it's not worth stressing over. He is so spoiled and far above people he wants more planets like Ronaldo wants an extra car, he be smilling to himself and someone comes to kill his vibe and it's just a an annoying moth getting in your face when watching a film
A lot of DB villains are pure evil. Broly did have trauma but didn’t he also just grow up to be evil anyway? Goku black and Zamasu where also pure evil as well. They literally said, “mortals are violent, so let’s kill them with violence”. Those guys where villains who I actually hated because they were just evil. Actually getting me to despise them made those characters great imo.
I like the idea that evil is a spectrum. The reason we started having sympathetic villains was because we got bored of pure evil villains, but now we're getting bored of sympathetic villains. This is why a good healthy rouges gallery is such a good thing to have. More villains means more kinds of villains you can use. But if they are all just one or the other, it just gets boring fast.
@@huntersmith1943 Idk I think it just depends on the character and medium, because sometimes the villain has a lot of good points and is actually trying to help society like Killmonger, while ones like Riddler only claimed to
@@jackcassidy9963 I know but some shows/movies have a what if episode or part where they show the world is actually in better condition then when the villain wins instead and they still expect us to root for the hero.
I absolutely agree with you. I miss the days where everything was simple and straight forward. The heroes are just really good people, that's what makes them heroes. And villains are bad people, that's what makes them villains. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
Exactly, once you start killing innocents or betray your friends, all the sympathy goes out the window. Like Terra, you're in the Titans, everyone has a sad ass life story
I feel like, you can have sympathy for a character...but you can still want them to get their asses kicked because they chose this path and no.w they're stuck...it's like the demons from Demon Slayer where they show the demons having sad backstories and I feel sympathy but I still want the demons to die and suffer
@@bluewolf6323 I’ve never seen people defend or justify the demons in Demon Slayer but I did see a tweet earlier today claiming America Chavez, the girl Wanda was hunting and trying to kill, was the real villain of Mulitverse of Madness. Scarlet Witch has a lot of weird defenders.
@@knucklecracks2.0 I ignored people defending Wanda, mainly because I'm not the biggest fan of MCU, therefore, I am neutral about a lot of things. I was just saying that sometimes, characters are sympathetic and you can feel bad, however, you can also want to punch th living daylights out of that same character and have no problem with them digging themsleves a hole and lying in it...
I don't think you can compare Terra with Wanda, lol. Wanda is an adult who went berserk and killed innocents. Terra was a runaway kid who didn't know how to control her powers and was manipulated by Slade. Yes, that doesn't excuse what she did to the Titans, but she isn't beyond sympathy like Wanda. If she was a mature adult, it would be an entirely different story then.
Exactly why the High Evolutionary was a good treat for Marvel. There is recent bias, but still, he was evil because he was playing God and hated how everything was. He did have motives, but it doesn't make him emotionally broken or understandable, his motives are still just as psychopathic as his methods
"I'm a simple man, Spider-Man. I see a wall, I run through it."
"You know, it's actually refreshing to have a villain like you. I'mma just let you have this one."
SolidJJ reference, my man
I understood that reference
Dramatically roll my eyes
Good one
SolidJJ reference with the RHINO
Not only was she grieving, but she was grieving over kids she technically never had
It’s not like she had a miscarriage and was believing that this was how they were gonna be. They were straight up just imaginary friends.
I really didn't like Wanda in that movie.
On the one hand, she was an absolute menace.
On the other hand...where was this level of power when an indestructible raisin killed her hubby and wiped out half of the universe?
On that same note...the whole movie was teased as "Dr. Strange's actions from No Way Home are shattering the multiverse" and ended up being "Wanda is crossing the multiverse just so she can find one universe where she has kids".
God damn was that movie so mid...
That isn't excusable given how she literally has the power to create new kids or to just grieve better.
@@GhostGuy99It was straight up shit. I'm not even hold you on that. I heard that the team had something else planned but chose to go with the "villain route" with her character.
Not technically, she literally never had them.
This man Eobard Thawne went back in time and is the reason for EVERY bad thing that ever happened to Barry, that's sadistic
Barry Allan Flash's entire life can be summed up to "It was me Barry" because anytime anything bad happened to him RF was somehow involved
Then they decided that it was all because Thawne wanted Barry to notice him.
Honestly, they could've just left it as "If I can't be his best friend, I'll be his greatest enemy".
Thawne is the Barry’s biggest hater
RF killed his own brother so he would have the attention, then decided to go back in time and kill flash so he would be the only speedster.
Ah... Reverse Flash the one true troll 😂
Sometimes it's nice to have a villain get his ass whooped without having to think about the moral dilemmas of his motivations
Unless the villain tragedy was bullshit and they didn't care about anything but themselves, I'm looking at you belos
@@dr.mixer8930 This is why Freeza is one of my favorite villains. Like he did what he did on Namek because he could.
I think why it changed was because Thanos was good so they tried to copy it
Like wit Midoriya & Shigaraki. It's beyond me dat he's still willing to save a villain who was responsible for a mass genocide of innocent peepz
@@SSJDREADLOCSTER FACTS!!!
The problem isn't Villains with traumatic backstories.
It's Villains who get away with it, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TRAUMA...
I just hate it when they give a genocider a pass because he can't get into art class and it's a very traumatic
Anyway, I love when villain are actually the good guys or it just someone doing his job.
I hate it when they trying too hard to justify some villain's action by making a complex backstory.
Boom💥 that's it
Fax
We do that in real life too now
"Because you were home" is the coldest thing I've heard in a WHILE.
Villains like this, and villains who are high on their own sense of righteousness, are low-key the scariest to me because there's just no reasoning with them. "I will do what needs to be done" at least implies they know what they're doing is bad (to an extent) and follow a code. But these two will NOT stop chasing you down bc they're either as amoral as it gets or convinced that they're fully in the right.
People claim it’s unrealistic to have a “just evil” villain but there really are people who are just terrible to others because they can be. “Who gon check me??” is the scariest motive to me, idc
You know a lot of people are just unapologetically terrible
Exactly and some people would just hate you because they just feel like it without even any motive
Yeah I don’t think I’d ever see a serial killer murder a bunch of people and then think to myself “but what about their ✨Motivation~?” 😂😂
Being evil isn't about why, its about why not. Most of the time people with power are jerks.
Like Hilary we came we saw and we....
“Some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn….”
-Alfred Pennyworth
“I clap chaps and break their mum’s backs.”~ Alfred Pennyworth
@@mat7083 Why did I laugh at this.
He described arguably the Best Villain of all Time
The irony is Alfred and his companions did all that burning, not the bandit.
@@mat7083 now we know why Bruce was always a ladies man. Dude learned from the Pennyworth.
Palpatine is one of the villains with the best plan. He is irredeemable. He knows how evil he is and he loves it.
"love" is underselling sheev takes deligh bros is nutting on his geriatric diapers everytime he destroys someone's life
Exactly. While it’s no longer canon, the Darth Plagueis novel showed Sheev was a sociopath since he was a child, and he slaughtered his entire family without REMORSE. And a reminder, this was before he rose to Supreme Chancellor.
@@WriterKing92looking at what he did to anakin and maul in canon proves that to me
Jack Horner is another great example of, "Yeah, he's just an asshole."
but he's our fav asshole!
The success of that movie is a perfect example of how you don't need morally complex villains to have a villain
Kinda interesting that it has 3 villains:
- goldilocks --> an antagonist with a wish of her own that is morally acceptable.
-Jack --> A purely evil villain that is purely selfish but comedic.
-Wolf --> A fundamental force of nature, Neutral evil that doesnt really pick sides.
That guy was a breath of fresh air
Its his personality that carries it. most villains dont have a personality and dont draw any interest. A motivation can be a gateway to have one but its not neccesary
Star Wars Palpatine woke up and was like "Imma start a big galactic war."
I'm not even sure he pretends it's for balance but Vader definitely thinks he's keeping order and preventing anymore wars/cimes.
Vader probs imagines a perfect world where fellow nazis say good morning and follow all the rules so he doesn't have to control them.
Not that Vader wouldn't kill someone who is obedient but influential, just because it threatens his control and he isn't taking chances on them trynna have a say against him or make people hope for change
@@TheTyroofToriyama false
@@firestriker3580 Not it’s not. If anything I filled in blurry writing for them while getting to the same point
@@firestriker3580 Palpatine is probs just like an old and wound up guy and the lawn is cut perfectly so when he sees people who used to step on it, he smacks them round the head just out of anger and denies that he did anything when their parents ask what made their son cry
Basically him vs the Jedi
He at least has to have a reason to hate them
@TheTyroofToriyama no no no Vader doesn't believe what he's doing is right and even says to Luke he isn't worth saving and he's too far gone and just assists palpiteen because he has nothing else and palps didn't wake up one day and say imma rule the universe he had psychological problems from birth and was always leaning towards the dark and then met and became the apprentice of Darth plagues (I think that's how you spell it) and then after becoming a sith he wanted to rule all he was evil for no good reason
a well written villain CAN be relatable, that doesn't mean they HAVE to be relatable
Jack horner was so evil he kept Jiminy Cricket as his conscience just to see how long he’d last until he quit
Best line: "Oh oh, what took you so long"
Runner up: "What did I do to deserve this, I mean what specificallyyyyyyyyyyyy"
Read *Juujika no Rokunin* (Manga)
It has Evil Villains.
The Last Wish had no business being that stinking good man. Every villain was great, and Jack exemplified what this video was talking about with a remorseless, low down villain.
Jack Horner was such a breath of fresh air because of this trend
Edit: Another one is Ballas from warframe. Mans is heartbroken and uses it as an excuse to kill all life
Exactly!
It's not even a trend. People just like to say a character without motives are flat and not well developed. But, and this is just me, i don't see a problem with them.
Hmm
Favorite villain and best character in the movie
“Well, you know what they say: “Can’t bake a pie without losing a dozen men””
“Oh! OH! That was horrible! Your wish is horrible! YOU’RE HORRIBLE! You’re an irredeemable monster!”
“Oh, what took you so long? Idiot!”
The face lex makes when he says superman a bitch goes so fucking well 😂
Remember when Disney tried making Cruella de Vil a sympathetic villain despite her goal being her wanting to skin puppies?
Disney just wanted a Joker clone, but they failed to understand that the joker was still evil even in that movie, plus coming from a more humble background. Cruella DeVill, on the other hand, comes from the same hierarchical class as Thomas Wayne, so it doesn’t work.
Thats why the Cruella movie isnt a Cruella DeVil movie to me at all. Shes evil!!!!!
@@orangemarissa50I think cruella in that movie has a severe lack of empathy though so I can totally see her BECOMING evil
@@jonathandixon1305 agree just because someone is certifiably insane and you can sympathize with his backstory doesn’t always take away that they are still very much evil.
those puppies literally pushed her mom off a cliff... skinning the entirety of their lineage is literally a coping mechanism and a trauma response and besides she's probably a scorpio so it's fine. girlboss slaying too
That, “Superman a b*tch,” was perfectly timed, bro. 😂
A good villain has a motive that can be understood, but not one that justifies their actions, otherwise they stop being a villain and become an antihero.
Nope you don’t need to understand a villains motive for the villain to be good. This is why we constantly have villains with tragic backstories.
Nah, fear of the unknown
That’s doesn’t make them an anti hero
Day by day, “antihero” loses all its meaning.
@@2-bit567fax. An antihero is a hero who has the right motives but does it in violent ways
This is why I like Dio. He doesn't have some sort of complex motivation as to why he's a bad guy he's purely a narcissist. And that's what makes him getting his ass beat so enjoyable.😊
Well at the start there was some semblance of a motive but after that it was merely because he could
Helps that the show confirmed multiple times Dio would still be an ass with or without Dario's influence on his life
Jojo has great villains
Dio is the most evil for the sake of being evil
Kars wanted to becomes the ultimate being or the strongest
Kira is a realistic villain with small reasons not world domination or any grand scheme or ambitious goal
Pucci is a villain with a holy mission
Funny Valentine he did it for his country only, so f### the rest of the world
Jojo villains would be peak if they didn't just kill the protagonist whenever they had the chance. Dio could have killed Jotaro the first time stop but he was goofing around and instead decided to move Chef hair up the stairs and back down 8 times in which he could have wiped the whole crew
@@sepphix8510 you did not just call the great Jean Pierre Polnareff fucking "chef hair" lmao
The colonel in avatar would literally walk out into an atmosphere he can't breath in, holding his breath. Just for the slim chance of being able to shoot someone.
Great scene.
Quaritch is true hero of the movie
He was hoping Jake would ambush him for that sweet kill
"Slaughter all the Na'vi and order the grandma special from Cracker Barrel, and wouldn't even think twice about it." 😂😂😂
It’s fine to depict villains who are just evil for the sake of it
As a wise man once said: “Some men just want to see the world burn”
Also some of the best heroes are like that
But they never ask ‘what makes a man like the fire that much’ you gotta wonder that this behavior doesn’t just come from nothing like a hurricane doesn’t just appear it’s a buildup from other factors.
I think the want to have just ‘evil for the sake of evil’ is because we kinda don’t want to humanize our enemies at all which ironically what the villains do to their victims.
Alfred, the man who can solo the whole DC Multiverse
Thats why puss in boots dominated
You mean a movie character? Lol!
I love both villains that are evil just because they want to be
AND
villains that actually have a meaningful/relatable reason as to why they do what they do.
Both are good when used correctly
The difference is that they want villains to be sympathetic. Which makes them not a villain but a anti-hero
Correctly?
My favorite villains are the ones who enjoy their villainy. You know the ones who enjoy making their plans and traps, while also getting a kick out of their banter with the hero.
Honestly, same. These days it seems like every villain needs to have a sympathetic past or a justified reason to do the messed up stuff they did. I just want a villain to root against without getting into an argument about real-life morals.
@@psychopompii naaa naruto did it right cause at least a lot of the vilains are rather hypocrites
Man I miss the days of vilgax and slade
@@painvillegaming4119 To be fair so is Naruto.
A amazing Villain right now in Anime is All for One...The dude is straight up evil...Like he doesnt have a sad ass background or anything like that, he is just a very bad guy....And I love it....
@@jawz9455 I disagree because naruto has suffered as much as any of the vilains honestly so if anything he is breaking there logic and hypocrisy by his mere existence
"Why did you blow up that orphanage!?"
'Sympathetic' Antagonists: "It all started back when my parents thought I was smelly..."
Villains: "What were they gonna do? Tell their parents?"
💀
Makes me think of the Joker 😂
Literally how they should've treated carnage. Cause he did. Burned down an orphanage
Lmfao 💀
everyone gets mad when the villain has no motive or reasoning but when they do… everyone still gets mad
"How can you kill women and children?!"
"Easy. Just don't lead 'em as much."
- Apocalypse Now
The recent villain (High Evolutionary) in GOTG 3 was straight up evil and not a sympathetic victim. The dude was evil just because he never liked life and the universe was made.
Fr. Bro nuked his "perfect world" because he heard about one single drug deal
@@ThezGaming5234 hahaha lmao 🤣
@ThezGaming5234 he didnt nuke it because of the drug. He knew they were doing it. He nuked it because the new species was ready for a new world
He's an old character and he's neither good nor evil. If I remember correctly he's more like a celestial.
@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk Nah. High Evolutionary in the comics is literally just some asshole obsessed with ''perfecting'' evolution, especially humanity's. He believes he's chosen to move humanity into the next step in evolution and he does that shit while ignoring Mutants, Eternals, Inhumans and others who ARE the next step or were altered into advancing said steps. lol He's a straight up jerk with a superiority complex.
"When Bison graces your village, it was the most important day of your life. For me, it was Tuesday." -M. Bison
😂
I guess his version of simply being evil is that he so powerful, singleminded and dettached that he treats conquests like a holiday tour and just likes to travel a lot...
@@TheTyroofToriyama He came, he saw, he conquered, and he left the gift shop in flames.
@@themememeister8382 Wore a red vest, sandals, towel and shorts so they knew who they were dealing with
@@TheTyroofToriyama dear god! He _is_ that guy
I wanna see more incompetent villains who just bumble their way into unintentionally fixing the problems
These goobers are the best
*Barry trips over a rock and drops his ice cream in the process*.
*Reverse flash giggling behind a wall 🤭*
Sounds about right.
It was him Barry...
It's was me Barry
I made you drop that drop your ice cream.
Making you slow down a millisecond,
enough to kill your dad.
It was all me Berry.
Exactly. Not every villain needs some tragic backstory or origin. Some people are evil just because they wanna mess shit up for fun
Read *Juujika no Rokunin* (Manga)
It has Evil Villains.
Most of Dragon Ball characters
Doof: I'm bad but doesn't meant i am bad guy
Yeah, that's not how human psyche works. You aren't born evil, you become evil with time and bad influence
I just dont like when human villains are like that tbh it doenst really make sense
This is why Sundowner is loved as a villain. He also loves being cruel for the sake of it, but he’s smart enough to not always show it. But when you get to see him be him, it’s amazing and hilarious.
And his theme music is a gift from god.
@@NeoDraco00 also that
I like that the Reverse Flash discovers that he’s evil and doesn’t change his destiny. So he’s just evil for the sake of being evil. He is in an evil loop. He wanted to be his hero and then suddenly he had one realization then was like “fuck it Berry‘s mom is dead.”
But The reverse Flash cant change his destiny can he ? I've always thought that he wanted to be the flash and found out he was The flashes worst enemy and it drove him insane and he became obsessed with the flash and became the reverse flash I thought he HAD to be the reverse flash and didn't have a choice.
@@kingjames6948hat was before Barry accidentally made man a paradox which pissed him off enough that he stopped giving a damn about becoming flash
@@vaderinatuxedo4428 that’s true. The man could’ve changed his destiny if he wanted to but he was that obsessed
Berry 💀
@@kingjames6948 I like your question
that why i love og vilgax, bro wanted to conquer the universe just cause he felt like it.
I’m pretty sure that his motive in all the Ben 10 series. Don’t get me wrong he’s my favorite Ben 10 villain too followed by S’skar and Albedo, but only really his appearance changed not his goals.
@@emanuelrodriguez9044 i know, classic just portrayed it the best.
@@shaneairoso5529 classic was a fucking menace, being half a corpse and intimidating Ben, being a barely recovered being mantained by machine and running Ben for his pockets and once he came back all right and well, he was the fucking Menace
Bro deleted every Ben in the multiverse save one and tricked Eon into helping him.
MF literally backstabbed a god in ultimate alien because people worshiped him for looking like said god and decided "nah, you're not getting any of this, fuck you"
For some reason hearing "yo, Superman a bitch!" And seeing Lex's smug ass face made me laugh
Jack Horner and High Evolutionary are proof that an audience doesn’t need to understand why the villain is evil to enjoy the movie, sometimes, in fact most of the time, we want to see a bad guy who is just a bad guy
Hm
I really love both the High Evolutionary and Jack Horner as pure evil villains and Namor and Stain as morally grey so I think it’s good to have both, but there needs to be more of a balance to it.
yes this
@@thesupershinymegagengar2034 yeah but he’s still just evil, for no good reason
@Khanrahk the Scarlet Goat (Race realist arc) yes I am, how could you tell? _he asked sarcastically_
My man Dio is the most heinous mf in anime, how do you get accepted to a family where you're guaranteed a good chunk of inheritance and you go "NAH, IMMA BREAK YOUR FAMILY AND GET ALL OF IT"
Honestly I became a Dio fan because of that. Like dude burned a puppy alive because F*** Jojo.🤣🤣🤣
Life of Dio:
He was abused from a young age from his alcoholic father, yet he isn't affected at all mentally (he keeps his sanity).
He killed his father by poisoning his beer multiple times.
He gets adopted by a rich AF family in England.
He abuses his brother, making his life miserable.
He kills the family dog by locking him in a furnace just because he brought happiness to JoJo.
He sexually assaults his brother's girlfriend just to fuck with him.
He poisons his dad, who is luckily saved.
He almost gets arrested for that.
He ends up actually killing his father with a knife so he can get blood for the vampire mask.
He becomes a vampire and has an epic fight with JoJo, which ends up in a tie.
While recovering, he kills more people that the amount of bread crump's Zeppeli has eaten in his life.
He loses to JoJo, who has trained his hamon.
As just a head, he kills JoJo and steals his body.
He stays in the bottom of the ocean for 100 years.
He comes back 2 seasons later.
He befriends Pucci and teaches him about heaven. (Adding at least 4 more seasons to the show)
He builds a zombie army with the help of flesh buds.
He fights Jotaro and the others and loses by just a little.
And then the aftermath of his actions, aka the universe resets.
I don't know enough about Jojos but is Dio better or worse than Reverse Flash?
@@rory8182 Better. Reverse flash is stronger, but he fucks with one guy. Dio hates an entire bloodline.
@@rory8182 honestly that's hard cause it's like reverse flash can be evil because of his powers. Like you can't go back in time and erase your enemies best friend if you can't time travel. But Dio like off jump okay
Meets mc
Says hi my name is Dio
Kicks MC's dog
Gaslights dad into why it's jojo's fault
Proceeds to manipulate everyone into hating Jojo
Kisses his girl
Kill his dog
He did this over the first few weeks he even showed up at twelve. Then he proceeded to become a vampire and used his immortality to try and torment jojo's entire bloodline and try to kill them.
Yeah, now the heroes are the "evil ones". While the villains are always portrait as misunderstood victims. F that, F everybody who agrees with that hypocrisy!
Woke writers wanna relate to the villains. They said it in multiple interviews
people said they were tired of flat 2d villains so media over corrected and made every villain some guy who wanted revenge for there countries destruction(military games/movies) or some guy/girl who whos sympathetic(superhero movies) in 10 years we'll be tired of every villain being super hitler again and go back to what we have now
@@jackmakila3776 we’re already tired of anti heros and sympathetic villains. That’s why everyone loves jack horner, reverse flash, Frieza, palpatine, Vader etc.
Even your country argument goes with civil war, the dude has a sympathetic backstory but was still shown as evil
@@Yourfat247
Vader turned good tho.
@@rsmith8113
Woke? Really dude?
True villains who are evil for the hell of it just hit different and I ain't mad at it
First thing out of Sukuna’s mouth was “where the women and children?!? I’m tryna eat”
Love that guy
Sukuna nuts
@@Epicdomofilmzhis legs are nuts, i agree
@@tonipepperoni3424When i grow up i wanna have a chest just like him , ripped asf when i stay sitted looking at the life of a teenager
Joker in The Dark Knight comes to mind. He did what he did simply because he both could do it and wanted to do it. No greater good bs. No good intentions leading to bad actions. He's just a straight up VILLAIN. He woke up and chose violence. That's what makes him so damn entertaining and what makes it so cathartic when Batman beats him.
You know what’s better? He didn’t come to them until Batman pushed them to the point they were desperate, this man out right disrespected the mob multiple times and went out of his way to kill one of them because he wouldn’t shut up
“It was me Barry”
Remember when you had your first kiss it was me
I made them draw lola bunny with fewer sexual features so that you wouldn't be horny. Reducing your blood flow, making you a millisecond slower... slow enough for me to kill iris.
Remember the one and only best friend that you never had? You don't Because IT WAS ME BARRY!! I ERASED HIM FROM THE TIMELINE.
"It was me, Barry! I jerked you off at super speeds just so it seemed like you nutted at a women's touch!"
Is me Barry do you know why you have this speed do you know why you kind of look different than your dad that's because I f***** your mom Berry that's it I'm your father
. Nooooooooooooo
Ooooooooooooooooo😂
Thats why i like frieza bro knows hes evil and loves it
What I like about frieza
He is evil and owns it and if your vilain trying to justify yourself he is gonna hate you more then he hates Goku
Same with doffy that's why he's probably my favorite one piece villain him or black beard
Majority of DB villains are pure evil Mercenary Tao, King Piccolo, Frieza, Cell, kid Buu, Zamasu etc..
@@omegasaiyanuchiha3426 Kid Buu and king Piccolo are kind of weird since they have a good versions of the characters. Zamaszu is also weird since he is evil, but believes what he is doing is just.
@@emanuelrodriguez9044 Yeah but they are still entertaining to watch as villains
We need more Villains like this.
Yup true.
It's all about balance but I think one of the many reasons why people miss evil villains nowadays is because it offers more space for the heroes to become likable. When the villain is more human than the hero the hero becomes borderline trivial.
Good. That's the point. It's better, more relatable storytelling. In real life, there are no bad guys or good guys. Each is the protagonist of their own story. Everyone believes they're the good guy.
@@JayArr96 I prefer irredeemable asshole villains who HAD a good background story but went way too far to be relatable.
@MTNTXii That's great that you have a preference. I'm happy for you. However, there's a reason your preference doesn't get utilized much.
@@JayArr96 I know it's because my brain is so ripped that you'd think it was sponsored by BANG energy drinks. HighQ taste 🧠🧠👌
@@Trollamollex Yes. I'm sure.
People loved Ozai because he was the main villain. No backstory, just he was who he was
Nah this is revisionism lol Ozai is barely talked about in the ATLA community unless people are talking about him in relation to Zuko or when there's another dumb Korra vs Aang debate happening and people pull out the villains to measure feats. The villains people typically actually talk about from Airbender on their own merits are Azula, Zuko, Zhao, Hamma or even Sozin cuz they actually had interesting motives. Its why no one likes the evil kite from Korra, hes just a bland evil villain.
And he was basically like the ruler of the land, he held all of the power not only over his armies and the land he’d conquered, but over other characters like Zuko and Azula. He basically ruined their childhoods and now they work for him like lapdogs, that’s how you make an evil villain.
Honestly i could care less about ozai. You kinda have to see pure evil villains on the regular pulling off their evilness for it to get fun.
@@ozairchishti1264 Exactly the Problem. If your Villain Bland than you need to fix it. People enjoy just evil Villains because the Writers can really play and have so much fun with that. Jack Horner being a Perfect example.
Never heard anyone say they liked ozai ngl
Frollo takes evil to a whole new level
Frieza blowing up planets every morning before breakfast.
😂😂😂😂 true
Evil villains are making a comeback with villains like Jack Horner and the High Evolutionary.
I have never in my life hated a villain as much as high evolutionary. He was an absolute hatesink. But that made him a better villain than wanda.
I am straight up tired of people thinking there isn't a place for pure evil characters in stories. Just like how I am tired of people thinking that there's no place for Superman.
Edit: I just want to say that I'm glad we can have a comment thread that is both informative and respectable. Please share your opinion without being a villain. Show decency and understanding towards others. Thanks y'all 🫡
I just think theyre overrated. Art reflects reality to some extent. People who we consider bad dont consider themselvss bad. I think its fine to have the occasional psychopath villain. But thats just not how it works. I moved to anime in the 90s because too many western cartoons were like that. Felt too simplistic. My main move to anime was because of the larger depth in conflict. Doesnt mean theres no room for the other. But we all moved away from these tropes for a reason. Many of us got tired of it before even hitting a double digit age
Blame steven universe...
@@unclebobboomergames if you really believe that there are more bad people, who are morally grey, then yes it would reflect on real life.
But reality check, most bad persons in real life are dicks because they can. there is no sad backstory, no higher purpose, only greedy self-centered people who profit one way or another of other´s missery OR unwise fools who would rather preach their ideals and see themselvs as enlightened, rather than accepting reality.
@@unclebobboomergames yeah I get it, and I'm glad that you got me too. I'm just not fond of when people think that there's only one way to write villains.
@@justinsigler1565 thats one show my guy.
Bro read my mind with this one. I remember watching Puss in Boots the Last Wish for the first time, saw Big Jack Horner, and went “finally a villain who’s evil just cuz he’s evil”
I love when he actually admits it and doesn’t try defend his actions “What took you so long idiot”
The more evil the antagonist is, the more cathartic their ass-beating is.
This is why Frieza is one of my favorite villains. The dude is just evil just cuz. He'll slaughter literally trillions of people including children and laugh about it because the explosion looked really cool
Dude is a literal racist towards Goku and betrays and manipulates people. Straight up savage
He's original so he passes.
My favorite part about frieza is he's not a space tyrant or some random title like that, dude is a space real estate speculator
@@tjfrye11 space Yakuza XD
That's why everyone loves Jack Horner
Yes it is so nice to see a villain that is so evil evil that they are dying and they aren’t sure which out of the millions of evil things they did which one of them was way they got the death they got
I simp Jack
"Why are you doing this!?"
"Why were you home?"
Villains like sundowner are such a great subversion of current villain trends. Dude kills because he likes it, and thats the only place he feels natural in.
the game came out back in 2013, so I wouldn't say it's subverting much in modern times
"Like the good old days after 9/11!"- sundowner
"kids are cruel, Jack. And I'm very much in touch with my inner child."
@@smith9747 "Kids are cruel Jack, and I touch kids!"- Sundowner
"And kids are cruel. All people are naturally, they just lose touch with it as they get older. Start thinking they know right and wrong, "That's immoral!" War crime this, code of conduct that... But kids you can mold into performing all kinds of atrocities! And there's nothing like a good atrocity to keep a war going!"
Sakuna out here being one of the few in modern anime willing to be evil because he’s pure chaos in flesh.
Or Aizen. Man just traumatized everbidy because he felt superior.
Woman and kids are his favourite......dessert. While sorcerer are his main dish.
Hands down why frieza and Buu are some of my favourite villains ever.
I miss it so very much. Pure evil villains need to comeback.
Fully agree. I want my Villains do be absolute bastards. I don't need some sad ass backstory or need to see things from their perspective, give me fully evil, unrelenting Villains!
I mean... I'm not gonna say that all villains need to have some kinda motivation or backstory to explain why they're doing the things they're doing, but I'm not gonna say that all villains ever need to just be evil for the sake of it. Sympathetic villains are _fine,_ but I do get the want for more pure evil villains.
Is their an option besides sympathetic and pure evil?
@@michaelsimmons9052 the problem is, when a villians actions make some sort of sense people see that as sympathetic.
@@Blue-fg8vtwell the problem there is when it makes sense, people start letting them off the hook easily. A better example would be Darth Vader as a sympathetic villain. We all get why he ended up as he did, but the difference is he knows he was wrong for what he did and is essentially trapped in a prison of his own making. He’s not constantly making excuses or saying anyone in his position should do the same. He is remorseful, Palpatine is not
I miss when Villains were Evil as Well.
This is one of the reasons Jack Jack Horner was a great character in the Puss in Boots sequel because he was unremorseful and even directly mocked the 'tragic villain' trope.
It’s nice to have a balance of both types. Like there’s that one morally ambiguous person who’s doing bad things but not just straight killing people that makes you question your own society and it’s own inner workings and then then the person that’s straight evil because it’s kinda fun and not playing mind games just because they’re a shit.
The only normal comment here. Thank you for understanding both sides
Nah kid buu is great
in that animated dc movie, Darkseid just pulls up in the end, declaring that he's here to fuck everything up. It's funny to see villains like that.
The second Wanda starting killing people, she lost all sympathy from me.
same
Pretty much like other certain tragic villains
@@dr.mixer8930 nah I'm still on castlevania dracula's side
same.
@@myschnozhurts1522 I didn't say he was one of them
This is why Frieza is one of my favorite characters. Dudes just evil because he feels like it and i love it.
Big Jack Horner was a welcomed reminder of villains who are "pieces of ****" simply because they can!
Another example is Dolfamingo, he’s the definition of evil.
Doflamingo is an absolute menace to society and a malevolent threat to the people around him. The man is a hater who hates everyone.
Doffy not only killed his own dad, murdered his own brother, but he also forced a king to commit genocide on his own citizens, all because he felt entitled to. Yeah, he isn't called the 'Heavenly Demon' for nothing.
"Where are the slaves" like yo bruh chill you're just a kid
I mean he’s a bit sympathetic his father gave up being a Celestial Dragon and they were being persecuted
Doldamingo had motives of what he was doing
You have to give it to Jack Horner He is straight up owns that he's a horrible person but seriously most villains should be looked at like that child who didn't get a slap hard enough
What did I do to deserve this?!? Like which action specifically?
Or perhaps slapped a little too hard. Not in Jack's case. He needed harder.
@@mediokay508 I feel this day and age people confuse empathy and sympathy for the same thing take you can see a villain having a point and being completely justified but if they are completely insane that's when you know the point is moot and they need to be put down or disciplined like a child rather than just feeling sorry for them and wanting to help them their beyond help and should now be treated like a childish lunatic destroying the way of life for others because they had a bad day or you can join them as they're point was definitely understood and completely justified
This is why I love Aizen, he has no backstory, he just wants to become a god
The high evolutionary was a breath of fresh air he's everything kang should have been
Which is ironic since H.E.'s comic counterpart could be sympathetic/anti-heroic at times.
Don't we still have a fair amount of Kang to go?
@@nicholasfarrell5981 I hope not. Abandon the plan, MCU Kang loses to Ant-Man!
@@commonviewer2488 To be fair, a lot of people would lose to Ant-Man if he ditched his morals. Just look at Marvel What-If.
...yes, I know he was Yellowjacket there, but _they have the same powers, dammit!_
But for him to be the Endgame Villain of the franchise and we hear about the stuff he's capable of we barely got to see in the movie I was very disappointed when he got defeated by future rustic ants and a blast from the wasp to show propaganda
This is exactly what I love. Not every single villain needs to have a reason for why they're evil. Lots of fictional villains are villains simply because they can be. Carnage, for instance, is an utterly merciless psychopath. Dude doesn't need reasons to kill people. He simply does it.
@zacharyfrierson6972 thoughts on venom 2?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I personally liked it and liked deep-voiced Carnage.
Yeah and even with venom 2 it wasn't supposed to be like a moral argument it was more like why he turned out the way he did
"Some people just want to watch the world burn". One of my favorite lines in one of my favorite movies with one of my favorite villains ever.
If Star Wars taught me anything, it's that there is room for both sympathetic villains *and* irredeemable ones. Hell, comparing the former with the latter actually helps make any potential redemptions more likely, especially if they help kick the asses of the latter.
Yup 100%. You have redeemable villains like Darth Vader and Kylo Ren. You have understandable villains like Darth Maul and Count Dooku. And you have pure evil irredeeemable villains like Emperor Palpatine. They are all great in their own ways. The recipe to success is a balance of the different kinds of villains.
@@emanuelrodriguez9044 y’all hit the nail on the head with this one. Exactly what I’ve been saying
DreamWork has some of the best when it comes to villain's that can't be redeemed.
I love a villain that has something that you can emphasize, but that empathy should never be a justification.
I agree.
Bro my friend hust talked to me about this how every villain needs to be justified with some tragic background or something
I love Zabuza because he was evil just because he wanted to be, but is also human enough to recognize his mistakes because of someone that was helping him in his evil deeds. A *human* evil character is always my favorite instead of just evil for the sake of it.
I enjoy villains with actual objectives and motivations that go past defeating opps tho
That's fine
Honestly Reverse Flash isn't evil... He is a MENACE!!
That is a understatement even joker would be like chill
Jack Horner
Calling him a menace would still indicate hes evil
"Excuse me, sir. I'm in need of your services." (Proceeds to use a bystander as a meat shield during a Death Battle against Goku Black).
Lex luthor is the close to the embodiment of this concept in my mind. Why? Because when asked if he can cure cancer for someone related to him, he does but only for 15 seconds before he GIVES HER CANCER AGAIN. He didn’t want to help he just wanted to prove he COULD cure cancer, just so he can say he’ll never do it again. Lex is the pure embodiment of “I think I’ll play god”
I love sympathetic villians, the problem is that writers refuse to punish them for their actions. Like yeah I get it your mom died, but that doesn't mean you're allowed to commit mass genocide.
I hate sympathetic villains
@@firestriker3580Me too
I hate how people defend Wanda
But she was grieving so it was ok for her to enslave a whole town so she could star in sitcoms with her dead sex bot and her imaginary kids
What people?? She ain’t got no defense or excuse for the shenanigans she pulled in both wandavision AND multiverse of madness
@@kyejuangray Nah there’s still some idiots that defend her still 😂 mainly the braindead people on twitter
never really seen defenses for her, more justifications. which are two very different things.
Yeah,I guess Wanda lost her humanity and our sympathy because she took it too far
Finally someone who understands my craft. Evil for the sake of Evil is the whole reason I get up in the morning.
going by that comment alone you are like 70% certain to be sweet af irl.
I can't believe you have access to the internet, are the cops not tracking your current location right now?
What if the villain that's evil for the sake of it,became evil in the first place because they loved evil so much that they see good as a disease that troubles and ruin evil?
@Khanrahk the Scarlet Goat (Race realist arc) they do, ya dumbass.
You know what's really refreshing to see? A villain who wins because they were right.
Thanos had that for some years. I kninda was sympathetic to his goal. I know it's a flawed plan but it's not bad.
@tftg458 comic Thanos or movie Thanos. Doing everything for a girl makes him a simp who Deadpool eventually beats to the punch. The movie plan is where Thanos basically forgets about people being able to repopulate and eventually after a few years we would still be in the same problem. He also cut in half the population of worlds he already committed massacres in so those worlds are basically 25% of their original population. He could have just rewritten reality to make resources more sustainable and made things more peaceful between people.
@ignitionpoint535
Do you seriously think that even with all of that good deeds, It will cause a intergalactic peace for 1000 of years?
Thanos decided it to do this in a hard way, because without it the people might be too spoiled and still bring in the cycle of chaos. That is the sad part, only 1 in 10000000 choices might be the only option to save everything, that was what Dr.Strange said.
@@tftg458Thanos from MCU?Ok i understand
From the comics?The guy fucked up Billy´s life bcz yes
@@ignitionpoint535you're assuming ppl are just gonna treat the snap as an everyday tragedy and mourn as usual
I miss when heroes can kill their villains without any reserves of being a “nice guy”.
thats what the zombie genre is for, and its dying because it's not satisying to just kill "villains"
@@locodude12 it is though. Also you comparing to zombies so no surprise it doesnt feel fun anymore.
Heroes these days have such a saviour complex it's frustrating. By all means, I'm not against heroes that don't kill, but they're overzealous with it or it makes no sense. There comes a point where you need to protect the people in danger, not the villain.
It all depends on how the villain and heroes are portrayed. There are many shows like current MCU and MHA with this trope and it doesn't make a bit sense.
Then there are heroes series like OPM and toaru where it makes sense because of how things are portrayed.
That’s why I love characters like Uhtred from the last kingdom. Guy is clearly the hero of the story but he’s not a GOOD guy in the sense that he lets his enemies love just to furfill sone selfish goal.
Aethelwold was begging for his life and Uhtred still killed his scheming ass.
Freeza and his Cold Empire comes to mind. Man out here chasing the planetary market caps and slaughters those who questions him.
don’t forget kid buu bro destroys things just for fun
Ikr, was just saying that I loved when Goku was allowed to let loose. Frieza kinda does have a reason but it's not worth stressing over.
He is so spoiled and far above people he wants more planets like Ronaldo wants an extra car, he be smilling to himself and someone comes to kill his vibe and it's just a an annoying moth getting in your face when watching a film
A lot of DB villains are pure evil. Broly did have trauma but didn’t he also just grow up to be evil anyway? Goku black and Zamasu where also pure evil as well. They literally said, “mortals are violent, so let’s kill them with violence”. Those guys where villains who I actually hated because they were just evil. Actually getting me to despise them made those characters great imo.
I like the idea that evil is a spectrum. The reason we started having sympathetic villains was because we got bored of pure evil villains, but now we're getting bored of sympathetic villains. This is why a good healthy rouges gallery is such a good thing to have. More villains means more kinds of villains you can use. But if they are all just one or the other, it just gets boring fast.
I miss Heroes who were actually Good People and/or Positive people.
same we actually have heroes that I am hoping will die so the villain can do the objectively better thing
@@huntersmith1943 Idk I think it just depends on the character and medium, because sometimes the villain has a lot of good points and is actually trying to help society like Killmonger, while ones like Riddler only claimed to
There's plenty of good heroes wdym
@@jackcassidy9963
Talking about nowadays.
@@jackcassidy9963 I know but some shows/movies have a what if episode or part where they show the world is actually in better condition then when the villain wins instead and they still expect us to root for the hero.
The perfect example to use is jack horner
I think the High Evolutionary works so well because of this. He needed no sombre backstory, he just wanted everything to be perfect.
I like myself a villain with motives from time to time. But it's harder to do.
I absolutely agree with you. I miss the days where everything was simple and straight forward. The heroes are just really good people, that's what makes them heroes. And villains are bad people, that's what makes them villains. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
I like a villain that's relatable but sometimes I just want a villain who's an asshole
Facts! Every villain nowadays has too much tragic backstory and trying to justify why they are evil.
Characters like Wanda and Terra from Teen Titans really test my sympathy limits. There comes a time where you just can’t keep making excuses for them.
Exactly, once you start killing innocents or betray your friends, all the sympathy goes out the window.
Like Terra, you're in the Titans, everyone has a sad ass life story
I feel like, you can have sympathy for a character...but you can still want them to get their asses kicked because they chose this path and no.w they're stuck...it's like the demons from Demon Slayer where they show the demons having sad backstories and I feel sympathy but I still want the demons to die and suffer
@@bluewolf6323 I’ve never seen people defend or justify the demons in Demon Slayer but I did see a tweet earlier today claiming America Chavez, the girl Wanda was hunting and trying to kill, was the real villain of Mulitverse of Madness. Scarlet Witch has a lot of weird defenders.
@@knucklecracks2.0 I ignored people defending Wanda, mainly because I'm not the biggest fan of MCU, therefore, I am neutral about a lot of things. I was just saying that sometimes, characters are sympathetic and you can feel bad, however, you can also want to punch th living daylights out of that same character and have no problem with them digging themsleves a hole and lying in it...
I don't think you can compare Terra with Wanda, lol. Wanda is an adult who went berserk and killed innocents. Terra was a runaway kid who didn't know how to control her powers and was manipulated by Slade. Yes, that doesn't excuse what she did to the Titans, but she isn't beyond sympathy like Wanda. If she was a mature adult, it would be an entirely different story then.
"You're not gonna shoot a puppy, are you"
"Yeah, in the face, why?"
Exactly why the High Evolutionary was a good treat for Marvel. There is recent bias, but still, he was evil because he was playing God and hated how everything was. He did have motives, but it doesn't make him emotionally broken or understandable, his motives are still just as psychopathic as his methods
We need more villains Lika All For One, Carnage, and even Michael Myers.
All are unapologetically pure evil and I love it.
@@lightspeed7312 that's why love star wars. Especially the old expanded universe all the villains there were pure evil just because and it ruled.
They’re all trash I’m not that popular anymore.
Michael Myers was broken
@@BlastCoolBlastKonGaming no he wasn’t he was born evil he literally killed his own sister for no reason.