I actually feel like the ‘Catherine warrior princess’ is kind of insulting to her. Catherine was an extraordinary and accomplished woman in her own way. She was well educated, spoke multiple languages and was intelligent. She suffered abject humiliation at court after Arthur died, was shunned and cast aside and was forced to fund herself for the duration of her stay in England when she was in political limbo (even though she had no money and a noble woman couldn’t get a job). Yet she still overcame that hardship . She acted as regent when Henry went to war in France. When she was attacked by Scotland, she rallied troops and rode North up with them, heavily pregnant and in full armour. She didn’t lead them into battle (I don’t think she was even present) but she roused them with speech. She was a foreign Princess from an enemy nation, but she still won the heart of her new country. A feat that many Queens consort (most famously Marie Antoinette ) were unable to achieve. She campaigned to have her daughter Mary properly educated even though it wasn’t common at the time. She increased the education of noblewomen, and thus is responsible for putting Elizabeth Tudor in a position where she was more prepared to rule. And she was pious with strong religious convictions. No matter what Henry did, she fought the divorce to the end- even though it meant never seeing her daughter again. She never lost her conviction, never lost her dignity even at the end. She was a Great Queen shaped by her times. And yet, the real Queen Catherine wasn’t good enough for the show. An intelligent, dutiful Catholic Queen with unfailing convictions wasn’t good enough, so they have to give her ‘more interesting’ accomplishments. They had to make her Xenia because Catherine was too dull
The real story of the Tudors is so dramatic I have never understood why the writers of Tudor fictional books, TV series, or movies felt compelled to add so much garbage. I don't expect documentaries, but to spin history the way so many have recently is just silly.
Of course. That's cheaper I guess, but it's very much accurate. : ua-cam.com/video/_drX55RkoIY/v-deo.html the first talk is about the letters of Arthur. The second talk is the farewell (Catalina was the last daughter at the palace, the rest have gone or dead)
One of my relatives from a prominent Italian family, who was actually a brother of one of my direct ancestors was a prominent member of Catherine's court and an ambassador from the Aragonese court to the Papacy.
Nice! I am afraid my ancestors were mere Cornish Tin Miners, although we did manage to trace our tree back to the 17th Century where it turns out some of the family were Huguenots who fled France.
Spot-on analysis! Ridiculous modern music, ridiculous off-era costumes, Henry's "hairstyle," and appearing shirtless -- for the benefit of teens, no doubt! You nailed every detail. Bravo!
I watched the 1st episode and that was it. I wouldn't have watched any of it if I knew it was a Philippa Gregory book beforehand. I'll go to AO3 if I want historical fanfiction. I just rewatched The Other Boleyn Girl to review movies and TV shows with Anne Boleyn in it. At least it was the BBC one. However, you wanna talk about bad casting of Henry VIII. Jared Harris is an amazing actor, but Henry VIII? Lol I do appreciate this show for kind of having Catalina of Motri. Even if they combined her with the high ranking Catalina de Cardones. I'll forgive it since period pieces do this anyway.
That bit with the execution looked like a clip from "The White Princess" when Richard the Duke of York/Perkin Warbeck and Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick are offed in the series finale. Writers and creators can't seem to tell these stories without bastardizing them in some way.
Ok so this is meant to be a historical drama about Catherine and in her maids their not even including Maria De Salinas even though we know tons about her, her children , her husband, her titles, her home , when she died, who her daughter married. And s2 came out and the inaccuracy is making my head explode
I saw a film a few years back, La Reine Margot. Thought it an excellent film. Would be great to see a good review on this film. French cinema does seem to focus some attention to the wars of religion period. I wish we in England would make a film on the early life of Thomas Cromwell. Or Henry VIII’s very early reign. But these are just personal wants
Haven't heard of that one before, will have to give it a watch. Yeah it is a shame they haven't really covered very much on the early reign of Henry VIII. Perhaps one day they might make a decent series covering it.
I think too often, even documentary series there is too much of a focus of Anne Boleyn and Henry’s divorce. A series focusing on the battle of Flodden and Henry’s 1513 campaign in France would be great. Most English armies only had about 10,000 - 15,000 troops. While Henry took 30,000. There isn’t enough work done on that campaign. Can’t wait for part 2 of your series on that campaign
@@bazlar8210 Reine Margot wasn't bad. Did any of you watch Maximilian? www.imdb.com/title/tt5833846/ The Borgias and Medici were kind of weak but hey, better than nothing.
@@rimlandrealist7679 This is exactly the kind of thing I have been looking for to watch! Thank you. I liked Borgia which i think was better than the showtime version. Have you seen Carlos Rey?
@@bazlar8210 the spanish TV series? Humm, well... I watched a couple of episodes of Isabella. It is too telenovela for my taste. Not ... bad per se.. just too centered on the small group of actors they can afford. no international intrigue, no large battles, no gritty realism... Too many episodes too, to be honest.
If you´re interested : that is the accurate music that was listened at the Court of Isabella and Ferdinand. This song , for example , was composed expressly for the . It´s about the war against muslim. It was composed by a leonese composer, but he took the point of view of Boabdil, King of Granade, suffering because he was losing her kingdom . You can hear the drums (artillery) and the long final phrases as if he was crying. And , in the middle of the song , the words "viva el Gran Rey Don Fernando. Viva la muy gran leona , Alta Reina Prosperando ". It is a great masterpiece of ancient music. specially the second part. ua-cam.com/video/9lLg0F_diA0/v-deo.html At The White Princess serie, Isabella Court appeared dancing flamenco. See the difference Sorry my poor english.
HaHa!! You are soooo spot on! I can hardly keep up with you..... you talk so fast. I still watched it though and of course picked it to pieces. That's what's fun about it. Loving your videos :') I hope you've seen the series by now. I'm looking forward to next season.
When I first gave this "Elizabethan 90210" a chance, my first thought was, why is Harry (Henry 8th) so OLD? Wasn't he 11 yo when he & Catherine got married? I made it thru 4 episodes and then bailed. Historical Drama? More like Twilight for the sword & castle crowd.
Love the videos! You sir, are a true gentleman and a scholar! Just perhaps a little note to the audience that are not native English speakers (such as myself) to speak a little slower, so we could catch everything you are saying, because it's pure gold! :) Another than that! Subscribed! :)
Did someone speed up this video?I had to keep putting it on hold so I could read the captions,and the narration was was almost inconprehesable due to the speed of the narrator's speech.Very annoying!
I don't think I have heard of the Carols Rey Emperador series before, is it fairly new? I think I might have seen the Isabel series some years ago (can't quite remember it too well).
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Came out a bit after Isabel back in 2015. I think they did Isabel (2012-2014) followed with The Broken Crown (Joan the Mad's reign) and finished with Charles V in Carlos Rey emperador in 2015. Isabel is 3 seasons, the broken crown is a movie and Carlos is a 17 episode season
I mean, I understand the cost of sets and costumes and actors so I don't expect them to be 100% accurate, but for plot points, it's pretty inexcusable, some of these are gonna cost more than portraying the actual or speculated history. At this point, David Starkey's series is the best tudor drama out there.
Way ahead of you, already in the process of doing a follow up video. I knew this series would be bad but it makes 'The Tudors' look like a documentary by comparison!
The Laughing Cavalier 🤣😂....😅 you’ve given me the courage to reach into my OnDemand and watch this ::: shudders ::: one more time in preparation for those Ccccomments!
Have you watched Spanish series "Isabel" and "Carlos: rey Emperador"? They both dedicate some time for Catherine and her daughter Mary (in the latter Henry VIII is also quite a prominent character), I would like to know your opinion. I like them both very much!
The Spanish fashion at that time had the reeds of the farthingale inserted in the gown itself, not as a separate undergarment. So her clothing is historically accurate. Indeed, Catherine is attributed with introducing the cone shaped farthingale to England.
I actually brought myself to watch the full season of The Spanish Princess....arghhh That execution scene in the trailer was the demise of Edmund Dudley after Lady Margaret sentences him to death to cover up her own over-taxation and treasury misdeeds. Apparently she's gone mad now and after revenge everywhere. There's also this odd scene of her giving birth as a young girl where they are tossing her up in the air on a sheet as she is giving birth......now I'm not sure if this is standard birthing practice but it all looked rather odd....at the end the two lovebirds squabble over if they actually bedded each other's siblings, and we all walk down the hallway to conclude season 1............apparently there's another season to come now.......
I know, I was pretty shocked when I heard there is going to be a season 2. Well, if they cover Henry's campaign in France then at least I already have that part 1 done on his campaign so I can easily refute whatever they are going to do with it! No doubt Catherine will be fighting single handed with King James IV at Flodden!
I always find these kinds of tv shows fun. It’s not bad to alter some facts for the sake of drama because let’s face it, it’s not a documentary and everyone knows that historical dramas are not 100% accurate. But weirdly so the littlest things annoy me such as physical appearances rather than the events. Like Henry, Catherine, and Mary being black haired/brunette in the Tudors like what?? They were all gingers! Also on a side note I really hope Margaret and Mary make some appearances in the spanish Princess because I love those Tudor princesses. ALSO another side note why did Elizabeth of York sound so mean about Catherine?? They got along well and she even named her daughter after her. Oh well.
I'm with you on the more John Blanke please front. He did feature in a play by Ade Solanke at Hampton Court in summer 2018 www.sporastories.com/the-court-must-have-a-queen-by-ade-solanke/, and Michael Ohajuru's project at www.johnblanke.com also worth a look...
Hi, I’m enjoying your videos but wonder if you are aware that the painting you highlight here is not “The Laughing Cavalier”. Your chosen image has been used as cover art for some editions of the classic novel by that title, so maybe that is your connection. But as a fan of the painter Franz Hals, I highly recommend that you see his “ The Laughing Cavalier”. Although the name was given to it later in its life, and the subject is neither laughing nor a cavalier! Anyway, I am glad to subscribe and find your videos clever and entertaining.
Yes, I couldn't understand it, which is unusual for me. Typically I speed it up. But here I did actually change the playback speed to .75 (altho he sounds like he is slurring sometimes). However that is the appropriate playback speed setting.
As soon as I saw Henry VIII was hot I knew they'd include a shirtless scene lol I can forgive it though because he was renowned for being good looking in his day, and he was noted as having a very athletic and muscular body and in the love island era you gotta pull in the viewers with that to, as south park would say "make their (va) giny's tickle"...sad but true fact of ratings, Tudors did the same being renowned for sex scenes when I think there was like 3 in four seasons. Though portraits show Henry was hot more by contemporary standards not ours, as such at least face wise. Just like back then pale and more curvy was attractive in women now (conventionally) it's meant to be slimmer and tanned. Some things are universal, more muscular guys are seen as attractive any time but it's funny how things like hairstyles etc change so radically. White skin then meant purity and virginity. When I saw the black actor I immediately thought "oh ffsake not again...not the Mary of Scots movie AGAIN" where they cast a black actor in some role that a WASP noble really had in history but thankfully PHEW...they dind't fuck that one up again and it's real people, and actually a fascinating aspect of Cathrines journey I didn't know about.
Historical accuracy. Here are some remake suggestions a remake of the last valley , set during the thirty years war with dentil Washington as the captain of a band of mercenaries occupying the said valley. The highly accurate to kill a king with Samuel l Jackson as Oliver Cromwell . Featuring tom cruise as sir Thomas fair fax and Danny devi to as king Charles the first, or maybe change that to king Charles the second. Waterloo with sean bean this time as Wellington and Warwick Davies as the emperor napoleon the third oh and feature Robert e Lee leading french cuirass ie rs against a unit of waffle S's. Historical accuracy is paramount in today's productions to teach bubble gum history to the masses.
I am Native American and Iberian, what I want to know is why is there a prominent Black woman in her court? that would never happened at that time, sheer silliness. Moorish is not black.
Sir Thomas More did describe her entourage as having "Ethiopian's" in it although I have heard this Lina de Cardones (actually called Catalina) might have been Moorish (the book I read it in said it was sort of unclear if she actually was Moorish in the first place from what I can remember!). There was a black trumpeter called John Blanke but he was just a trumpeter whereas this series makes out this Lina was a prominent Lady in Waiting, which isn't true. Having watched the first episode though, honestly that is just one of a hundred things that was wrong! EDIT: Well, well well, turns out Historians have been confusing her for a Spanish Servant: "Centuries after her death, the enslaved Catalina was conflated with another member of Catherine of Aragon’s household, the high-ranking Doña Catalina de Cardones/Cardenas. This confusion seems to have arisen from the 1874 work of Mariano Roca de Togores, Marques de Molins, who indexes ‘Cardones’ as a slave girl in Catherine’s chamber. Contemporary Spanish references to Catalina the slave never accorded her a surname and transcriptions of the Spanish state papers kept in the National Archives refer to ‘Catalina de Cardenas’. The Cardenas were a high-ranking Spanish family with royal connections: any daughter of theirs is unlikely to have married a humble Moorish crossbow-maker. Cardenas’ high birth is reflected in the list of Catherine of Aragon’s attendants compiled in 1501: she is listed third in precedence and given the honourable appellation of ‘Doña’. Towards the bottom of the list, unnamed, are ‘two slaves’. One of them must be Catalina." www.historytoday.com/history-matters/other-catalina So it looks like there was a minor Moorish servant and then this Spanish servant yet they have been merged into one in this show!
I like the series but I do not believe Isabella I of Castille was fighting wars or leading troops into battle. In episode 3 Catherine mention Isabella in battle when she was pregnant... I didn’t think that was accurate. I still like the series. Catherine of Aragon was a bit feisty and too good for Henry.
Personally, I am not too keen on it to put it politely (currently doing a rant video about it) but I will say at least Charlotte Hope and whoever they got as Maragret Beaufort (name eludes me off the top of my head) were decent. As you say, that wasn't accurate although she did accompany Ferdinand during the Granada Campaign with her children and I believe she was pregnant at the time, but obviously did not charge into battle.
@Omara Oliver Because historical names are translated! Always translated to the language you are currently speaking. They were talking in English, they used their English names. Don't you call Henry VIII Enrique VIII in Spanish? Marthin Luther as Martin Lutero? Elizabeth I of England as Isabel I de Inglaterra?
I haven't seen that film actually, I would probably have to do a bit more reading for it but it is one to consider for the future (as long as I don't get a copyright claim!)
A Spanish farthingale was worn under the dress, not as the dress itself, to give the gown some structure. The photos here show her incompletely dressed.
Alice Cooper no she has a reputation for not being accurate if you dig deeper into the history you would know that she perpetuates rumors that were created to Hurt women and she’s got into spats with the actual historians of The era and I don’t think anne Boleyn was the root of all evil like she seems to believe I think you need to dig deeper into it .
I actually feel like the ‘Catherine warrior princess’ is kind of insulting to her. Catherine was an extraordinary and accomplished woman in her own way. She was well educated, spoke multiple languages and was intelligent. She suffered abject humiliation at court after Arthur died, was shunned and cast aside and was forced to fund herself for the duration of her stay in England when she was in political limbo (even though she had no money and a noble woman couldn’t get a job). Yet she still overcame that hardship .
She acted as regent when Henry went to war in France. When she was attacked by Scotland, she rallied troops and rode North up with them, heavily pregnant and in full armour. She didn’t lead them into battle (I don’t think she was even present) but she roused them with speech. She was a foreign Princess from an enemy nation, but she still won the heart of her new country. A feat that many Queens consort (most famously Marie Antoinette ) were unable to achieve.
She campaigned to have her daughter Mary properly educated even though it wasn’t common at the time. She increased the education of noblewomen, and thus is responsible for putting Elizabeth Tudor in a position where she was more prepared to rule.
And she was pious with strong religious convictions. No matter what Henry did, she fought the divorce to the end- even though it meant never seeing her daughter again. She never lost her conviction, never lost her dignity even at the end.
She was a Great Queen shaped by her times. And yet, the real Queen Catherine wasn’t good enough for the show. An intelligent, dutiful Catholic Queen with unfailing convictions wasn’t good enough, so they have to give her ‘more interesting’ accomplishments. They had to make her Xenia because Catherine was too dull
Just another poorly costumed soap opera for teens when the real story is so much more compelling.
Noli Me Tangere , it sure is.
The real story of the Tudors is so dramatic I have never understood why the writers of Tudor fictional books, TV series, or movies felt compelled to add so much garbage. I don't expect documentaries, but to spin history the way so many have recently is just silly.
Of course. That's cheaper I guess, but it's very much accurate. :
ua-cam.com/video/_drX55RkoIY/v-deo.html
the first talk is about the letters of Arthur. The second talk is the farewell (Catalina was the last daughter at the palace, the rest have gone or dead)
There is a reason the gals at Frock Flicks refer to the author as "Phillipa Fucking Gregory."
This is exactly how feel.
If these woman acted the way they are written in these "somewhat historical dramas" they would of been burned at the stake...literally
Yep Joan of arche she is a real personal hero of my but some of these woman are silly in these dramas
One of my relatives from a prominent Italian family, who was actually a brother of one of my direct ancestors was a prominent member of Catherine's court and an ambassador from the Aragonese court to the Papacy.
Nice! I am afraid my ancestors were mere Cornish Tin Miners, although we did manage to trace our tree back to the 17th Century where it turns out some of the family were Huguenots who fled France.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I get that too, the other side of my family were junk dealers, horse thieves, and bootleggers.
That's cool. At least you have the opportunity to find out. All we have around here are family legends and myths.
@@dianadzhenkova4343 same
Spot-on analysis! Ridiculous modern music, ridiculous off-era costumes, Henry's "hairstyle," and appearing shirtless -- for the benefit of teens, no doubt! You nailed every detail. Bravo!
And the second season was even worst than the first! Currently working on a full rant on that one!
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Worse? Yikes! 😱
"...My Tudor rants is sitting at around 400 views..."
Three years later is it at 41k! Keep the videos coming, I love your work!
The thing that made me laugh most in this show Was what i call Henry's "Tudor Starlord" outfit.
I watched the 1st episode and that was it. I wouldn't have watched any of it if I knew it was a Philippa Gregory book beforehand. I'll go to AO3 if I want historical fanfiction. I just rewatched The Other Boleyn Girl to review movies and TV shows with Anne Boleyn in it. At least it was the BBC one. However, you wanna talk about bad casting of Henry VIII. Jared Harris is an amazing actor, but Henry VIII? Lol
I do appreciate this show for kind of having Catalina of Motri. Even if they combined her with the high ranking Catalina de Cardones. I'll forgive it since period pieces do this anyway.
I didn't make it all the way the first episode, it was so bad.
They did this for arthur so why not Henry?
BECAUSE HENRY GOTTA BE HAWT. and Arthur needa be milktoast to make Henry look HAWT.
That bit with the execution looked like a clip from "The White Princess" when Richard the Duke of York/Perkin Warbeck and Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick are offed in the series finale. Writers and creators can't seem to tell these stories without bastardizing them in some way.
oh I agree.. I HATE when they put modern music on anything that should be historical.......
They're trying to appeal to younger audiences. Its hard enough getting people to watch historical dramas unless it's something like Outlander.
@@rc59191 OUTLANDER was amazing
Your so right about the music ....it makes such a difference to have the music of the time .
Ok so this is meant to be a historical drama about Catherine and in her maids their not even including Maria De Salinas even though we know tons about her, her children , her husband, her titles, her home , when she died, who her daughter married. And s2 came out and the inaccuracy is making my head explode
I saw a film a few years back, La Reine Margot. Thought it an excellent film. Would be great to see a good review on this film. French cinema does seem to focus some attention to the wars of religion period. I wish we in England would make a film on the early life of Thomas Cromwell. Or Henry VIII’s very early reign. But these are just personal wants
Haven't heard of that one before, will have to give it a watch. Yeah it is a shame they haven't really covered very much on the early reign of Henry VIII. Perhaps one day they might make a decent series covering it.
I think too often, even documentary series there is too much of a focus of Anne Boleyn and Henry’s divorce. A series focusing on the battle of Flodden and Henry’s 1513 campaign in France would be great. Most English armies only had about 10,000 - 15,000 troops. While Henry took 30,000. There isn’t enough work done on that campaign. Can’t wait for part 2 of your series on that campaign
@@bazlar8210 Reine Margot wasn't bad.
Did any of you watch Maximilian? www.imdb.com/title/tt5833846/
The Borgias and Medici were kind of weak but hey, better than nothing.
@@rimlandrealist7679 This is exactly the kind of thing I have been looking for to watch! Thank you. I liked Borgia which i think was better than the showtime version. Have you seen Carlos Rey?
@@bazlar8210 the spanish TV series?
Humm, well... I watched a couple of episodes of Isabella. It is too telenovela for my taste. Not ... bad per se.. just too centered on the small group of actors they can afford. no international intrigue, no large battles, no gritty realism... Too many episodes too, to be honest.
If you´re interested : that is the accurate music that was listened at the Court of Isabella and Ferdinand. This song , for example , was composed expressly for the . It´s about the war against muslim. It was composed by a leonese composer, but he took the point of view of Boabdil, King of Granade, suffering because he was losing her kingdom . You can hear the drums (artillery) and the long final phrases as if he was crying. And , in the middle of the song , the words "viva el Gran Rey Don Fernando. Viva la muy gran leona , Alta Reina Prosperando ". It is a great masterpiece of ancient music. specially the second part. ua-cam.com/video/9lLg0F_diA0/v-deo.html
At The White Princess serie, Isabella Court appeared dancing flamenco. See the difference Sorry my poor english.
HaHa!! You are soooo spot on! I can hardly keep up with you..... you talk so fast. I still watched it though and of course picked it to pieces. That's what's fun about it. Loving your videos :') I hope you've seen the series by now. I'm looking forward to next season.
Thanks, if you watch Tudor Rant 2 you will see my... opinion on it shall we say...
When I first gave this "Elizabethan 90210" a chance, my first thought was, why is Harry (Henry 8th) so OLD? Wasn't he 11 yo when he & Catherine got married?
I made it thru 4 episodes and then bailed. Historical Drama? More like Twilight for the sword & castle crowd.
I got about three episodes in before I gave up! And they have now officially greenlit a second season!
Love the videos! You sir, are a true gentleman and a scholar! Just perhaps a little note to the audience that are not native English speakers (such as myself) to speak a little slower, so we could catch everything you are saying, because it's pure gold! :) Another than that! Subscribed! :)
Many thanks, yeah I do try and speak slower but once I get going I tend to talk a bit fast!
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Understandable :) In any case, keep it up! You're doing great! :)
I agree. Sometimes for this American it is too fast. I thought it was just me.
I do really enjoy your reviews.
Did someone speed up this video?I had to keep putting it on hold so I could read the captions,and the narration was was almost inconprehesable due to the speed of the narrator's speech.Very annoying!
The serios is based on phlipa gregory novel. The serios would end only after the war of Kathrine with the Scots.
Your videos are underapreciated. Keep it up.
I would love to hear you review TVE's Isabel and Carlos Rey emperador. Both covering the time of Isabella of Castille all the way to Charles V HRE
I don't think I have heard of the Carols Rey Emperador series before, is it fairly new? I think I might have seen the Isabel series some years ago (can't quite remember it too well).
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Came out a bit after Isabel back in 2015. I think they did Isabel (2012-2014) followed with The Broken Crown (Joan the Mad's reign) and finished with Charles V in Carlos Rey emperador in 2015. Isabel is 3 seasons, the broken crown is a movie and Carlos is a 17 episode season
Nice, I'll have to get myself a copy and have a watch.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier enjoy!
Much better that this ridiculous inaccurate and laughable comedy this series is.
I mean, I understand the cost of sets and costumes and actors so I don't expect them to be 100% accurate, but for plot points, it's pretty inexcusable, some of these are gonna cost more than portraying the actual or speculated history. At this point, David Starkey's series is the best tudor drama out there.
Great review; accurate and entertaining
Soooooo....when are we going to gather and bash the Historical Sh*t out of this show...like damn they went a hard left on dis one
Way ahead of you, already in the process of doing a follow up video. I knew this series would be bad but it makes 'The Tudors' look like a documentary by comparison!
The Laughing Cavalier 🤣😂....😅 you’ve given me the courage to reach into my OnDemand and watch this ::: shudders ::: one more time in preparation for those Ccccomments!
I had no idea that there was a difference of opinion on the portrait of Catherine. I’ve never seen that it may be Henry’s sister.
Have you watched Spanish series "Isabel" and "Carlos: rey Emperador"? They both dedicate some time for Catherine and her daughter Mary (in the latter Henry VIII is also quite a prominent character), I would like to know your opinion. I like them both very much!
It’s a farthingale (I probably didn’t spell that right) and they were usually wooden but there are a few made from copper
Hey are you going to talk about the king trailer ? It just dropped it’s about Henry the fifth
Funny you should say that...
The Spanish fashion at that time had the reeds of the farthingale inserted in the gown itself, not as a separate undergarment. So her clothing is historically accurate. Indeed, Catherine is attributed with introducing the cone shaped farthingale to England.
I actually brought myself to watch the full season of The Spanish Princess....arghhh That execution scene in the trailer was the demise of Edmund Dudley after Lady Margaret sentences him to death to cover up her own over-taxation and treasury misdeeds. Apparently she's gone mad now and after revenge everywhere. There's also this odd scene of her giving birth as a young girl where they are tossing her up in the air on a sheet as she is giving birth......now I'm not sure if this is standard birthing practice but it all looked rather odd....at the end the two lovebirds squabble over if they actually bedded each other's siblings, and we all walk down the hallway to conclude season 1............apparently there's another season to come now.......
I know, I was pretty shocked when I heard there is going to be a season 2. Well, if they cover Henry's campaign in France then at least I already have that part 1 done on his campaign so I can easily refute whatever they are going to do with it! No doubt Catherine will be fighting single handed with King James IV at Flodden!
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Indeed! Xena-style! LOL
I always find these kinds of tv shows fun. It’s not bad to alter some facts for the sake of drama because let’s face it, it’s not a documentary and everyone knows that historical dramas are not 100% accurate. But weirdly so the littlest things annoy me such as physical appearances rather than the events. Like Henry, Catherine, and Mary being black haired/brunette in the Tudors like what?? They were all gingers! Also on a side note I really hope Margaret and Mary make some appearances in the spanish Princess because I love those Tudor princesses. ALSO another side note why did Elizabeth of York sound so mean about Catherine?? They got along well and she even named her daughter after her. Oh well.
I had to stop watching this series because of all the inaccuracies.....it made me crazy!
I'm curious, do you teach history? Btw I enjoy your humor and disposition.
I do have a degree in the subject, although I don't teach sadly. Still, I am probably teaching more people this way.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I think you maybe right.
Excellent video as always! I always have a good laugh when watching them!
Many thanks, I should have a history video about the Titanic coming out tomorrow hopefully (unless it gets copyright claimed...)
I agree about Henry the VII and his appearance but it is based on the younger version of himself in the White Princess Series.
Thanks for citing me here! For more on Catalina see Lauren Johnson's work: www.historytoday.com/history-matters/other-catalina
I'm with you on the more John Blanke please front. He did feature in a play by Ade Solanke at Hampton Court in summer 2018 www.sporastories.com/the-court-must-have-a-queen-by-ade-solanke/, and Michael Ohajuru's project at www.johnblanke.com also worth a look...
Thanks for the video.
Hi, I’m enjoying your videos but wonder if you are aware that the painting you highlight here is not “The Laughing Cavalier”. Your chosen image has been used as cover art for some editions of the classic novel by that title, so maybe that is your connection. But as a fan of the painter Franz Hals, I highly recommend that you see his “ The Laughing Cavalier”. Although the name was given to it later in its life, and the subject is neither laughing nor a cavalier! Anyway, I am glad to subscribe and find your videos clever and entertaining.
Yes, I am fully aware. I just liked the painting of Richard Neville by William Dobson and use it as my profile pic..
I love this rant!!!!! However, you’re speed talking...so fast!!!!
Well I do try and speak slower in my videos nowadays!
Yes, I couldn't understand it, which is unusual for me. Typically I speed it up. But here I did actually change the playback speed to .75 (altho he sounds like he is slurring sometimes). However that is the appropriate playback speed setting.
As soon as I saw Henry VIII was hot I knew they'd include a shirtless scene lol I can forgive it though because he was renowned for being good looking in his day, and he was noted as having a very athletic and muscular body and in the love island era you gotta pull in the viewers with that to, as south park would say "make their (va) giny's tickle"...sad but true fact of ratings, Tudors did the same being renowned for sex scenes when I think there was like 3 in four seasons.
Though portraits show Henry was hot more by contemporary standards not ours, as such at least face wise. Just like back then pale and more curvy was attractive in women now (conventionally) it's meant to be slimmer and tanned.
Some things are universal, more muscular guys are seen as attractive any time but it's funny how things like hairstyles etc change so radically. White skin then meant purity and virginity.
When I saw the black actor I immediately thought "oh ffsake not again...not the Mary of Scots movie AGAIN" where they cast a black actor in some role that a WASP noble really had in history but thankfully PHEW...they dind't fuck that one up again and it's real people, and actually a fascinating aspect of Cathrines journey I didn't know about.
Historical accuracy. Here are some remake suggestions a remake of the last valley , set during the thirty years war with dentil Washington as the captain of a band of mercenaries occupying the said valley. The highly accurate to kill a king with Samuel l Jackson as Oliver Cromwell . Featuring tom cruise as sir Thomas fair fax and Danny devi to as king Charles the first, or maybe change that to king Charles the second. Waterloo with sean bean this time as Wellington and Warwick Davies as the emperor napoleon the third oh and feature Robert e Lee leading french cuirass ie rs against a unit of waffle S's. Historical accuracy is paramount in today's productions to teach bubble gum history to the masses.
I am Native American and Iberian, what I want to know is why is there a prominent Black woman in her court? that would never happened at that time, sheer silliness. Moorish is not black.
Sir Thomas More did describe her entourage as having "Ethiopian's" in it although I have heard this Lina de Cardones (actually called Catalina) might have been Moorish (the book I read it in said it was sort of unclear if she actually was Moorish in the first place from what I can remember!). There was a black trumpeter called John Blanke but he was just a trumpeter whereas this series makes out this Lina was a prominent Lady in Waiting, which isn't true. Having watched the first episode though, honestly that is just one of a hundred things that was wrong!
EDIT: Well, well well, turns out Historians have been confusing her for a Spanish Servant:
"Centuries after her death, the enslaved Catalina was conflated with another member of Catherine of Aragon’s household, the high-ranking Doña Catalina de Cardones/Cardenas. This confusion seems to have arisen from the 1874 work of Mariano Roca de Togores, Marques de Molins, who indexes ‘Cardones’ as a slave girl in Catherine’s chamber. Contemporary Spanish references to Catalina the slave never accorded her a surname and transcriptions of the Spanish state papers kept in the National Archives refer to ‘Catalina de Cardenas’. The Cardenas were a high-ranking Spanish family with royal connections: any daughter of theirs is unlikely to have married a humble Moorish crossbow-maker. Cardenas’ high birth is reflected in the list of Catherine of Aragon’s attendants compiled in 1501: she is listed third in precedence and given the honourable appellation of ‘Doña’. Towards the bottom of the list, unnamed, are ‘two slaves’. One of them must be Catalina."
www.historytoday.com/history-matters/other-catalina
So it looks like there was a minor Moorish servant and then this Spanish servant yet they have been merged into one in this show!
Or why the blonde haired, grey-eyed Isabella of Castile was played by a half black woman... was that necessary for the story too?
I liked Henry in this one. He was less of an asshole
I like the series but I do not believe Isabella I of Castille was fighting wars or leading troops into battle. In episode 3 Catherine mention Isabella in battle when she was pregnant... I didn’t think that was accurate. I still like the series. Catherine of Aragon was a bit feisty and too good for Henry.
Personally, I am not too keen on it to put it politely (currently doing a rant video about it) but I will say at least Charlotte Hope and whoever they got as Maragret Beaufort (name eludes me off the top of my head) were decent. As you say, that wasn't accurate although she did accompany Ferdinand during the Granada Campaign with her children and I believe she was pregnant at the time, but obviously did not charge into battle.
@Omara Oliver Because historical names are translated! Always translated to the language you are currently speaking. They were talking in English, they used their English names. Don't you call Henry VIII Enrique VIII in Spanish? Marthin Luther as Martin Lutero? Elizabeth I of England as Isabel I de Inglaterra?
I Can't wait see this film
It's a TV show
I still so want you to review Anonymous some day. But that’s cruel of me, I know.
I haven't seen that film actually, I would probably have to do a bit more reading for it but it is one to consider for the future (as long as I don't get a copyright claim!)
dude slow down
Tudors is infinitely better then the Spanish princess
they cant be bothered to do their homework.
Moors and Ethiopians ARE NOT Bantus/west africans
I want to like this show but I can’t.
As much as I REALLY don’t care for the series, I believe her dress was accurate, a Spanish styled farthingale. 😉
No it wasn't: www.frockflicks.com/snark-week-philippa-fucking-gregory/
A Spanish farthingale was worn under the dress, not as the dress itself, to give the gown some structure. The photos here show her incompletely dressed.
White Queen and White Princess are better than the others. Still based on romantic novels ...but better.
Did they put Pagans in Reign because Paganism, or “The Old Religion” actually predates Christianity? 🤷
People might disagree but Phillips Gregory is really accurate ! Guess what york / Tudor lives were really dramatic
Alice Cooper no she has a reputation for not being accurate if you dig deeper into the history you would know that she perpetuates rumors that were created to Hurt women and she’s got into spats with the actual historians of The era and I don’t think anne Boleyn was the root of all evil like she seems to believe I think you need to dig deeper into it .
You talk too fast!!!
Never overplayed the black woman's role she played a role in history regardless It Was Written but was never told so now it is wake up
Such an inaccurate film
Many good points, but your horrible accent makes it a bit hard to understand.
thats a bit rude