BATTLETECH: HEAVY MECHS
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2022
- The third part in our series going over Battlemechs in the Succession Wars era. Battletech's most iconic mechs mostly reside inside the space of the the Heavy Mech roster for the most part. Warhammers, Marauders, Archers, Riflemans and so many others are here.
Coveted and used sparingly by the Free World's League, Draconis Combine, Federated Suns, Lyran Commonwealth, and Capellan Confederation, these mechs operate as the elite of most mech forces, and are typically the largest battlemechs people will see...
Unless they have the privilege of meeting and Assault Mech.
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You can fulfill all battlefield roles with mediums and heavies and still be very successful. These two classes is where I like to put almost all my battle value particularly in the 3025 era. Thunderbolts, warhammers, orions and marauders are what really got me into this game.
I think heavy mech wise, I didn't really like them as a kid, but as an adult, I think the Warhammer is one of my favourite mechs. I'm still not fully sold on the Marauder as I think it has heat issues, but I think the 3M is amazing.
Especially in 3025 Assault Mechs very much have a role on the field.
There is much less firepower to go around over all, so they actually
will last a considerable ammount of time even versus several enemies.
And an AC20 is something not many Mediums or even Heavies can use.
And at that Techlevel actually something to be feared and not scoffed at.
With higher tech levels, being harder to hit becomes much more important
than having the armor to simply shrug off any non crit hit.
@@BigRed40TECH If you are piloting a vanilla 3R you have to hold back on your firepower. That said, being able to unload 2 PPCs and a AC/5 when an juicy target presents itself is great. Honestly, my biggest complaint about the Marauder is the AC/5. Just having one ammunition based weapon makes heat management a bigger priority due to the possibility of ammo explosions. Also autocannons have horrible weight vs damage ratio. Any design that rips out the AC is an upgrade, though most of them make the mistake of using missiles in its place. The 3D is a good design, simply because it gets rid of the ammo.
My personal favorite modification of a 3R is to rip out all of the weapons. Instead of the PPC and medium laser in each arm, 2 large lasers for a total payload of 4 large lasers. Add 5 heat sinks to account for the left over weight. While this shortens the reach of the Marauder, with only 3 heat being built up per turn it makes it into a long range monster that outclasses other Marauders and other snipers, putting it on equal footing to an Awesome in my opinion.
@@Chris_Sizemore I don't know too much about the boardgames as I've only played the most recent battletech, but stripping the lasers completely and having 2 uac5 and a uac2 mean that you can core even some solid assault mechs with an almost certian chance to hit the centre. And they still have decent armour and plenty of ammo for longer engagements. Its basically every turn it gets a kill, regardless of what the target it.
The Marauder is just an absolute favourite- so many different versions and I love it so. I also enjoy the Rifleman 4D, an absolute disaster of a mech, it's fun that bad mechs exist in canon.
LOTS of powerful mechs in the Heavy Tree.
Плохие мехи можно объяснить тем, что ранее созданная конструкция морально устаревает, т.е. появляются более удачные машины, хотя в свое время, те машины, которые считаются не самыми лучшими, рвали и метали в клочья все, что попадало в прицел, но прошло время и появились еще более грозные машины и уже на их фоне старички стали выглядеть хламом.
Конечно у вас может возникнуть вопрос, а зачем тогда их выпускают, раз есть машины лучше, но и тут есть ответ, представьте, что завод, только и может выпускать один вид продукции, на другое банально нет ни денег, ни возможностей. При этом есть покупатели, которым нужны мехи, но денег на более современные и крутые машины нет, да и запчастей на складах к именно этой модели, еще с первой войны за наследие, от пола, до потолка.
You need to be careful about not to be hit from the flanks, since the arms are a weak point that will quickly cripple the mech.
Easily one of the best parts of BT in regards to unit design is that there are plentiful examples of mechs that are bad for all the right reasons.
Be it the last-ditch superweapons of a megalomaniachal tyrant or ideas that seemed sensible at the onset and then plainly didn't work out, there's examples of mechs sucking by the same mechanisms that result in bad AFVs in real life.
Me having just decided that I was too harsh on the rifleman after bringing a 4d for fire support:
Jokes aside, I mean. MW wise at least, fill it with obscene amounts of double heatsinks + ER large lasers, and you've got an ammo free sniper buddy!
I enjoyed the Orion for 2 reasons.
1 st and most important, it was my best paint job. One time I just hit the dry brushing so right. I wasn't a great painter, but it was my most satisfying to achieve.
2. Probably because I loved that paint so much, I forced myself to play Orion until I actually got good with it.
Others can have their Marauder's or Warhammers, but I loved that old thing.
My heart has always belonged to the venerable Thunderbolt. There’s just something about the off-centre cockpit and shoulder mounted LRM rack that does it for me.
And it has a weapon for each range bracket with the armor to survive long enough to bring them all to bear. Good variants too, the 5SE for hopping around and the 5S for some PPC sniping.
There are so many good Heavies. Honestly, I think the only Heavy I genuinely dislike is the Jagermech. Literally all the others have some value in some capacity or look cool or are just outright strong. The Thunderbolt is more competitive than some assaultmechs even, it's nto to be trifled with.
Thunder bolt is a great all rounder and is perfect for a defence line :-) one of my favourite heavies :-)
@@BigRed40TECH The LRM variant of the JagerMech actually has a prized spot as overwatch in my merc command lance! I tend to keep my CO towards the rear, so combined with the LRMs on his Archer and the Thunderbolt & Wolverine doing bodyguard duty, the Jager seldom has problems with randos closing and can lay down some good fire support in a pinch.
@@atticusthegamingllama8302 Yea, the LRM Jaeger is definitely superior to the pure gun jaeger, it even has more amrour. It's still not well armoured, but its definitely better.
Thunderbolt and Catapult are my favourite heavies, with special mention for my custom lance lead Marauder that swaps around the PPC and AC5 configuration. Throw in a jaegermech, black knight, warhammer or orion to round out a solid heavy battle lance.
Clan heavies though are the stuff of nightmares. Vulture, Timberwolf, Ebon Jaguar, Night Gyr, Sun Spider, Summoner, Loki, there are just so many terrifying designs.
We'll be covering the CLans eventually, but only once I completely cover what I want in the 3rd and 4th succession wars, and the war of 3039.
Heavy Mechs. If there was a wrestling championship in Battletech, these would be classed as the heavyweights.
Enough armour to survive a critical core explosion of an enemy. Enough firepower to cripple or outright vaporise anything below its weight class or equivalent. Enough speed to chase down and hunt it’s lighter brethren. It is truly the best of all aspects.
Warhammer, Thunderbolt, Catapult, BlackKnight, Marauder, Rifleman, names that inspire fear and admiration amongst the warriors during the succession wars. Hell, certain pilots that are synonymous with a mech like Natasha Kerensky in her patented Warhammer “Black Widow” send waves of dread to opposing forces. Just the sight of the 70 ton machine sounds a klaxon to all to evacuate the battlefield. When you’ve reached that kind of notoriety, you know it’s for a reason.
The Marauder is probably my absolute favorite mech in the entire franchise, but honestly most of my favorites are heavy mechs. Medium mechs are just fine, but they have to sacrifice a lot more to really shine in any one role. Heavy mechs, on the other hand, have the tonnage available to either excel in a single role or fill several roles well without having any crippling drawbacks. Plus they are still have at least decent speed. One of my more obscure favorites is the DRG-1G Dragon/Grand Dragon (I like PPCs much more than autocannons personally).
And if you allow custom configurations, heavy mechs absolutely cannot be beat!
I'm all about that WHR for my heavies, but I still love the MAD.
@@BigRed40TECH OMG! I LOVE the Warhammer! Definitely in my top 5
I have a huuuge soft spot for the "lighter" end of the heavies. The Thunderbolt, Crusader, Quickdraw and Catapult are near and dear to my heart
I adore how you used words, Pilot, Elite, Battlemechs it reminds me of great intros from MW 2, MW3, MW4... Great narration, keep up good work. Pilots of Innersphere salute you
The Warriors of the Inner Sphere are the true Mechwarriors!
I'd say the original Poster Boy is the Warhammer. Heavy 'Mechs probably make the best dedicated weapons platforms; i.e. Rifleman/Jagermech as Flak Batteries, Archer/Catapult/T-Bolt/Orion as Missile Boats, T-Bolt/ Warhammer/Marauder/Orion as Brawlers/Battering Rams, etc...
In MW 5 my first heavy was a badly mauled Marauder I picked up out of a shop.I was unable to replace it's destroyed load out so I gave it a heavy rifle and two Large lasers with two mediums to back it up. Upgrading the parts along the way led to my personal Mech The Nevermore. Sure heavy rifles are outdated,but it has long range and heavy damage and fits in the same slot as the AC-5 for around the same weight. The range says 825m max,but that's a suggestion to a heavy rifle with a good shot behind the trigger.
The Grasshopper surprised me more than the Black Knight even though I was sure I would enjoy the Black Knight more. The Warhammer's alpha strike is disgusting but I only really enjoyed it in the Star League variant. The Marauder was how I increased my stable of mechs with its ability to snipe heads.
Many of my favorites are among the heavy class. Firepower while still being able to move. Often the back bone of many of my lances.
I think mediums really cover that. the heavy however, makes a great command mech, or that extra level of punching power.
@@BigRed40TECH they do overlap a lot admit my commanders do spend a lot of times in my Marauders and Archers. Aces in grasshoppers, Warhammers.
The Warhammer is such an iconic and badass design, one of my favorites.
100%, one of my favourite heavies ever.
The 6D trades the extra weapons for armor to make it a top-tier heavy. Almost an auto-include.
@@kelanelam2638 Big fan of almost all the Warhammers.
Yay more big stomps mechs to keep me entertained
twice a week my friend. :)
I loved my Cat load out from the early days of MWO. 6 LRM 15s, a downsized engine, stripped armour and jumpjets to save on weight. It was a glass cannon but those Alpha Strikes would devastate almost anything they hit. Had an engagement with an enemy Atlas that was busy pummeling a friendly, but hopelessly battered and outgunned, Highlander who was drawing the enemy fire. I'd been dismissed as a non-threat due to his ECM and twin AMS. I couldn't get a missile lock and at ~250m I said "screw it" and hit the trigger anyway letting fly with a 90 LRM shotgun blast. Let's just say that got his attention. The best part was when I SOMEHOW managed to perfectly dodge what should have been an effortless deathblow and managed a second, fatal, 90 LRM Salvo. I got beautiful front row view of that Atlas going up and the Highlander looking at me like "The Hell WAS that?!" as I barely missed a catastrophic overheat and avoided ammo racking myself.
I loved my founder Catapult :D
Holy shit and I thought my 2 20s/2 15s was impressive
@@bombomos to make it work I had a top speed of about 38kph, and something like 2 or 3 tons of armour across the entire chassis. One AC 20 anywhere but the center torso was basically an instant kill. I had 7 tons of ammo for a total of 14 total shots. Light mechs died instantly. Mediums typically went up in 1, but depending on angle or model they might need a finisher. Heavies and Assaults were typically 2 or 3. That low mobility and paper thin armour caused me to die more than a few times if I got out flanked or caught out of position. The low ammo had me trying to figure out how to provide support sometimes too. Had one mission I ran out completely, flanked the enemy position and was wedging my shoulder into the backs of assault mechs to keep them in the open. Helped my team take down an Atlas and an Awesome and was working on a Stalker before the hostile figured out I was even there.
Weird, I thought I'd already commented on this video. Anyway - the Archer was my first-ever mech in my first "how to play the game" session. But my favourite (3025, yo) heavies are the Dragon, Thunderbolt, and Orion.
I have a special place in my heart for the Archer and Catapult.
you missed one of the Marauder's strongest quirks: Narrow Profile. it invites rounds to ricochet and bounce as they impact. so it doesn't need as much armor and allows it to carry the weapons it does
I'm just doing a broad overview of all heavies. If I end up doing individual mech coverage quirks will get covered. :)
Love the Thanatos, I see it as the little brother of the Highlander. Both JJ capable mechs built for mixing missiles and direct fire weapons on the arms. and using aggressive tactics.
I love the Marauder
Great videos bro. Definitely enjoyed watching these. Now, if you were to do some super heavy and super light mechs videos. Maybe even tank, infantry, turret, and spaceship weight class videos, I'd truly appreciate it.
I'm mainly covering these from the perspective of the Succession Wars first, the super lights and super heavies are from later. They will be covered at a later time.
Guilotine being made by-retcon more common than the Grasshopper since its production was only slowed and never stopped upsets me.
My favorite mech in this class is the Thunderbolt in some variants. I especially like a variant with 8 medium pulse lasers. It needs a lot of heatsinks and still has a heatsink problem. . And a bigger engine. But the brutal firepower at short range more than makes up for it. It's a very tactical mech, but with a good starting position a killer, you just need to be able to aim well, so this variant needs a steady hand and thoughtful planning to be maximally effective in e.g. Mechwarrior online, or Mechwarrior 5 Mercs. The difficulty, as with all brawlers, is getting close to the enemy first, but once you're there, well......then you "bludgeon at least one or two opponents before they seriously get over the scare!" This variant is not directly in the lore. But there is at least one mech warrior in two books that uses a Thunderbolt converted this way (He shoots down three enemies, and then dies because his reactor shuts down......ähm, but saves his comrades in the process).. But even the lore-correct variants are all great mechs.
Another great overview :-) love the heavies for fire support nice to add a couple to my mediums for that extra punch... thunderbolts and onions are an almost unpassable wall of armour if used properly :-)
As someone who plays the FWLM, I can say I love the Orion :D... except for its massive amount of ammo... lol
@@BigRed40TECH yeah there is that lol :-) I can't remember when an Orion I've played with or against has actually died from an ammo explosion though so I think it's well placed if I remember right :-)
One thing I like about the Crusader and T-Bolt is before Lostech is rediscovered the Mechs teach a player the importance of Heat Management. Both "Heavies" also benefit well from Lostech refitting.
I think that 3025 is really the best era to play. Low-tech battles that relied on heat management as a major component was awesome.
@@BigRed40TECH for me that's the era I learned to play back around 1985. While I like the Clan Invasion era too, my first love is the 3025 era.
@@phildicks4721 I learned to play in the Clan Invasion era, and used to poo-poo the Succession Wars until I really started to get back into Battletech in the early 2000's, and realized just how much more solid the gameplay was in 3025.
I still like 3050-forward, but the gameplay is not as memorable. It's a bit too fire-and-forget.
Here because I wonder why we needed a class between medium and assault
2:05 By Kerensky, a Rifleman actually used for it's intended role!
Gota say the archer has always been one of my favorites, good armor, enough lrm for a dedicated fire support, and 4 medium lasers and 2 battlefists allow it to thouroghly pummel any cheeky lights trying to mess around with the back line. Plus there's the dumb srm versions.
There are so many amazing mechs in Battletech, especially in the 3025 era. I love the redesigns by Catalyst, and I love the models they're coming out with too. It's so awesome. :D
@@BigRed40TECH it really is im loving it
@@spazz-qk5gz 100% agreed. All I need now is the time to paint around 300 mechs. lol
@@BigRed40TECH man I gota get more mechs, and learn how to paint, I got like a dozen and they are all gray.
@@spazz-qk5gz Checkout Camospecs UA-cam channel :)
For the Heavy Mechs, its "Go hard or go home"!
Me before rolling out in my x6AC2 JM6-DD: "This is the end of the world! So where do you want to die?! Here?!?! or in a Jaeger?!?!?"
Here. That Jaegar is a death trap. lol
The Marauder has the market cornered for sexy, but you can't go wrong with the good old Thunderbolt or Crusader, just because they have the armor weight to carry a battle. The three represent the ideal of the well-designed heavy mech... firepower and armor.
Thunderbolt, Crusader, Orion, they're all super tanky and smashy. It's great.
@@BigRed40TECH Yeah, but as a miniatures nerd, I need the sexy. If I'm converting and painting, I want the pretty ones! The Orion... kinda pales in APPEARANCE to the others. Personal preference!
@@gbprime2353 I agree. But the Orion may be ugly, but it can reliably put the Thunderbolt into the ground if it has to, lol.
@@BigRed40TECH Oh I'd tell that Orion pilot to put up his fists and settle this, but the Orion hasn't got any... poor fellow! =)
@@gbprime2353 No need for fists when you've got an autocannon, lasers, and missiles ;)
I'm feeling the need to take that Ashigaru mech design and convert it into a 2-4 litter mates meant to support each other and using interchangeable parts.
*Commander* You see *that* thing?
*Heavy mech pilots* Yes
*Archer and Catapalt pilots, off behind a hill* No...but since when has that mattered, just give me the grid coordinate you want the cartographers to have to resurvey...
*Commander* It offends me, please religate it to the past tense!
*Locust, soon to be scrap* eeep...maybe I should have let the Steiner "scouts" keep up with me...
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Thank you, Rudy. I can always rely on you.
while medium mechs are the bread and butter, heavy mechs are the big guns , the wall of armor
Madcat is my favorite heavy. 75tons of pure metal. 80km. Can be configured to a laser boat or missile boat and everything in-between. The fact that it isn't in MWO is very sad
Surprised that he did not talk about the CAT/WOLF. I have to say they are one of the most iconic due to them being on the box of pretty much every game and the logo for the company.
I'm personally a big fan of the Marauder, but I do prefer the Warhammer personally. :)
The Mad Cat is clan era. The videos are mostly focusing on the Inner Sphere during the Succession Wars. There will be clan videos... later. ;)
@@BigRed40TECH Sorry I guessed I missed that.
The Madcat(IS name) and Timber wolf(Clan name) are the same mech. This mech has been in MWO since 2014.
heavys are my favorites i have my top 4
1. Guillotine: one of the most deadly heavies you will ever see.. the GLT-8D (3062) is for me that mech
2. Grasshopper: similar to the Guillotine but with hands and LRMs GHR-5N (3040) is my favored variant
3. Cataphract: when i first seen it in MWO the new design (the old design was comically bad) it looks like a mini bloodasp, the cata also spawned the Caesar which is also a good mech
4. My own homebrew mech (its currently un named, and is 75 tons) but in my lore its designed to be a DIRECT competitor and alternative to the marauder
I'm big on the first 2, and I think the Cataphract is okay. :)
As allways: nice Video! What is that mech at 3:40 thou? Never seen that one
Modified Axman.
It's funny but it maybe the DCMS training in me but I still favor the Dragon, Grand Dragon, Quickdraw, medium mechs and light mechs. Speed and flexibility are key to victory.
Positioning and speed are the biggest powers in Battletech. Firepower matters, so does armour, don't get me wrong, but the former 2 are really, really dangerous.
Orion. Why? Because it's the mech that brought the usurper to his knees. Cataphract is also a good one because it came from a place of desperation for heavy mechs. It's a bit of a frankenmech but I still love it.
General Kerensky I'm sure would be pleased with your loyalty. :D
Where most of my C-bills go. And the Warhammer will always be the face of the BT for me, with the Marauder and Archer coming in right behind. With a Warhammer/Archer lance being my go to heavy fire support lance; and I prefer long range combat.
I love the Warhammer as well, but I do think the original poster-boy for Battletech during the Succession Wars is the Marauder.
Not that I mind the current one. The Atlas has a certain zing to it as well. lol
@@BigRed40TECH My first BT box set had the Warhammer on the cover; that's what did it for me. And as Steiner player, the Atlas has it's own special love. In the current BT video game, I have and entire lance of Marauders that are just brutal; would never work on the table though.
@@TH-rj4ds First model I ever got ever, was an old metal atlas. :D
I'll be honest while I do love the marauder. I'm always been a fan of the Orion and Warhammer.
I love so many mechs in Battletech. There is just so much to love :D
@@BigRed40TECH there's a few that afr kind of shit in the table top. Like the bandersnatch
i like how oyu manage to list off pretty much all the heavy Unseen mechs. *makes a rude gesture at Harmony Gold*
Мне нравится Орион он практически не уступает Циклопу, броня на одном уровне, 60 или 50 ракетный залп, достаточное количество ракет.
Единственное, чем Циклоп превосходит Ориона, это несколько большим количеством структуры, поэтому я все же убрал Ориона на склад.
Orion is great :D
While I prefer the Assault class over all others generally, I would be lying to say the Catapult isn't one of my top 3 favorites.
I'm big on assaults personally. Even with their drawbacks, I love that extra level of firepower. And Part 4 is coming, we will have an assault mech overview, probably by Wednesday.
@@BigRed40TECH Looking forward to it!
Heavies suffer from one flaw. Specialization. They are excellent at what they do but if battlefield circumstances do not favor them, they are more of a liability than an asset.
The least specialized heavy is the Whammer so it gets kudos for its range of variants. The best looking and most kinky heavy is one that isn't apparent until you get hit by fusion inducing plasma and shells the size of a human head from a Marauder amongst the distant tree line.
Heavies straddle the angles of the competence triangle. Firepower, Armor, Speed. You can excel at one, be mediocre at two but can never have all three.
IMO I'd rather have two mediums or medium and a light in place of one heavy, both capable together to check all the boxes. Heavies are also prone to being primary targets simply because if they are in their ideal situations, they can eliminate anything humanity has to offer sans orbital bombardment.
I do like my heavy mechs no matter what weight they are. I do like 60 tons the dragon and quick draw but I do find it hard to make them work...more so the dragon mech.
What is the closing image from? @7:15? Is that a game?
It's art using game assets. I suspect.
When speaking of the Archer you mentioned the "Bombard".... didyou mean the Bombardier?
Yes! I even have Bombardier written on the script and messed it up, lol
@@BigRed40TECH no worries...when the Bombardier mini came out we hadn't seen it in a TR yet, and the packages were all labeled as an "Archer" so we all thought it was a new Archer design... other than the low reload volume I always liked the Bombardier
Main Battle Mechs, The Abrams of The Battletech Universe!
It's the MBT's!
Glaug officer pod = marauder
WARHAMMER!!!!! :*)
Clan society is best society.
This is objectively not true. lol
Neg
5:56 Where did that art come from? That looks really clean.
I found that on google tbh. I'm not sure where it's from.
@@BigRed40TECH Damn.
Thank you very much for the reply.
@@billrich9722 Yea, when I did the first couple videos it was google-fu for just about every image. Now I source all my stuff much more carefully, so sadly I just don't know where that one comes from :(
@@BigRed40TECH It's cool. I understand how it goes.
@@BigRed40TECH Yo. I might have found it.
ua-cam.com/video/6igApP-34RQ/v-deo.html
Black Knight. Black Knight. Black Knight. Black Knight. Black Knight.
Love the mech, it's fantastic.
Even more dakka hahahhaha more dakka give me more
No. No more dakka.
@@BigRed40TECH No you give more dakka dakka more now
@@beskar66 More Dakka can only be found in the next video.
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You're cruelty knows no bounds.
Mediums and heavies are basic bitch mechs!
Are you saying the only true Mechs are Lights and Assaults?
@@BigRed40TECH No, they are just the most popular for being in the golden middle of balance i think :) Lights like to fold from 1 shot and assaults barely move, making them "slightly" annoying to use. Locust and Atlas 4 life.