The tent wasn’t at fault. Nature just found a weakness. As a veteran who served in the Coast Guard, in a situation like that, prior to sleeping and knowing the foul weather to come, you set condition Zebra. Prepare for the worst hope for the best. Wishing you safe passage, peace and good fortune. Happy Trails.
what a brilliant video ! this is life-changing ! I felt like i was with you at 2AM in the wild wild weather - man - this is absolutly worth watching! you are great mate ! just love the way you talk to the camera - you make me feel like we have been mates for a long time - well done!
That was nail biting stuff there. At one point I thought this was going to be 'found footage' with a post- script saying the recording was found amongst the remains of a tent and some empties! You clearly made the right decision to strike camp , get back to the car and live to camp another day. Huge amount of admiration👍
@@TheMackemMountaineer My first tent was flattened at carngorm in 80mph forecast winds. This was a declaration of war by the weathergods; so got a Hilleberg Tarra with a second set of poles, it later was followed by 6 more hilleberg tents. Currently have 2, the Anjan 2 and for mental weather, the AKto with 2x10mm poles.
Thanks for watching mate. I'm very new to wild camping and hiking so this was a first for me experiencing a situation like this. Lots of lessons learned though
Reminds me of the night I spent at Styhead Tarn in 60-70mph wind and rain/hail. We had to bail at about 4am when water was flowing under the tent. Styhead gill had turned from a trickle to white water river! You made the right decision getting off the mountain, safety first 👍👍
It’s nice to see my old tent finally getting a proper testing 😄😳 Stunning up there, our first ever wild camp was on Dale Head summit around 10 years ago in an old Terra Nova quasar tent and we got a great sunset and sunrise!!
Great video and thanks for sharing - shows why you need the right kit and being prepared. A lesson for us all that even the best with the best kit will be caught out at some point. I bet you never forget that night - a glad you got down safe.
Something similar happened to me in my hilliberg jannu. These things will inevitably happen if you go out often enough in rough enough conditions. To be fair hilliberg did a great job in repairing the tent. I think that every tent has its limits and you were unlucky enough to be out in conditions that eexceed that.. Good video
Very surprised you pitched in that location knowing a storm was coming, there was no shelter at all. Id also have packed up all my gear in my rucksack that wasnt essential to protect it and in case I had to leave in a hurry.
Yep fair to say I'd made some mistakes. Especially with not packing majority of gear up ahead of the night. Winds weren't forecast to get as bad as that to be fair and changed direction, another lesson learned... don't always take the forecast as gospel haha thanks for watching. ATB
Wow❗️ sketchy camp. I’ve been out in my Kaitum for the last two nights in strong winds but no where near what you experienced. I woke up this morning and the tent was being bounced all over the place. Sounded to me like failure of the poles or fabric wasn’t far away so I made the decision to bail out. I’ve never de-camped so quickly and was back in the car and on the road by 05:45. No structural damage to the tent but I have someone managed to put a hole in the fabric where it’s been rubbing all night against a buckle on my pack. I’ll be sending it up to ‘Scottish Mountain Gear’ in the New Year for repair. Already looking forward to the next one on New Years Eve - hoping for a quieter night❗️
Bloody hell mate sounds like a nightmare too. Rubbing against a buckle is something you just wouldn't consider. I'll certainly be mindful of that situation too going forward. I have no idea what the wind speed was in this video either. It was only forecast for around 20mph
A Geordie to a mackem, you produced a great video in a dire situation , very well done! Always look for a sheltered spot when high winds are forecasted! You will never forget this camp but a valuable lesson on high winds in exposed spots! Mark.
@@TheMackemMountaineer I love mountains more than footie! It is great to see some great videos by us Geordies + Are friends in Sunderland, Do we hate mackems all just banter unless Ur a thicko! The great outdoors is far better than a 90+ minutes of football game! The Scottish Highlands is a fantastic place! Mark!
@@TheMackemMountaineer How would the Vango force 10 fair against these new tents in a storm? Pity it's too heavy for backpacking! Unless Ur are rich your tent will be sub £400 . Mark.
@markalanshaw4950 I dunno mate I've not had that tent. In terms of rich I'm defo not brother, I'm a single parent with a decent job but work a lot of overtime to try buy hillebergs etc. Not easy but because it's my passion I really try
Cracking spot for views there mate, but that wind..😮, 2 weeks in camping terms feels like a lifetime 🤣, every time I’ve hiked up there it’s always been wild weather, but the scenery from there is epic. You hit the nail on the head about getting out and camping mate👌same for me. Scary stuff when the weather turns like that 😮, good call to get out of there, didn’t look like getting any better mate, atb Mick 👍
Fair play on sharing the video. Maybe not the best idea to pitch at elevation on a windswept hillside in high winds with a poor forecast and then drink a bunch of beers. Glad you got through it all.
Well you will certainly remember that camp, brave to bail in the night. Prior to the drama some nice words regarding your love of wild camping, as someone who’s new to it too I couldn’t agree with you more on how good it is for your head. I recall a Tom Heaney Adventure vid on here saying the Allak struggled in the wind. At least you made it down safe and did not have your girls with you. ATB 👍😉👊
I was so glad the girls didn't come as emily had planned on coming up until the last minute. Not going to lie, I was bricking it coming down as I've never hiked in the dark, then the head torch went out 😳 defo big lessons learned mate. All the best
8.50 Jesus flipping heck yeah that wind didn't half pick up good man keep safe buddy question for ya what L is the bag you use I'm thinking of getting one but was looking at the 80 L
Yeah I never buy expensive shit i like roughin it with the low gear just for a giggle but I've got some good electrical kit and think a good bag will help look after my kit well looks like I need santa for a bag hahaha enjoy buddy ATB
That was horrendous weather you found yourself in. Oh my .😮 You did the right thing getting off the mountain. I was scared for you. Pleased you survived the storm.
Wow great vid, now you've experienced a "bail out" would you do things any different? I mean would you say that it was safer to leave or fight it out till light
I made so many mistakes mate. In hindsight I'd have stayed put a d tried again to re-peg the tent and use rocks. I went out and bought 10mm poles the following week. Another mistake was a crap head torch. It actually went off when I got the tent packed down. Terrifying to be honest. I went out and bought a ledlenser h19r which is amazing. So many mistakes but a good way to learn I suppose haha
"Not worried as we're in the Hilleberg" - it's cloth and some alloy poles mate. The Allak is not designed for those conditions and brand means nothing without experience. Hopefully you have learnt some lessons from this trip, and im glad you are safe.
Thanks for watching mate. So the problems in my opinion were as follows. I bought the tent pre owned and thinking back one of the poles had an excessive bend in it. I think this made the pole flex too much and caused the delta peg to continuously pull out of the ground. I also made quite a few mistakes. I should have pitched the tent the other way around as with the doors open as they were it was like a sail. I should have also pitched even further down than I did or tried to find some form of shelter but I suppose you can't predict the wind change sometimes. I've since bought the 10mm pole set which feels much better and the tent has a better shape now I'm not using the old bent 9mm pole mentioned above. All the best.
@@TheMackemMountaineer Hello. That’s very interesting. Thank you for the info. I’m looking at getting a new tent and will go camping in the Lake District too, so trying to avoid dangerous situations like this. Your experience and feedback are valuable.
@_Chris390 no problem, I've only been doing this 12 months myself so I'm quite new also so I'm learning on film I guess. I have hit 70 camps though in the first 12 month so learned a lot so far but usually the hard way 😅🤦♂️🙈 all the best for your camping adventures. My best advice would be simply put as always be prepared because conditions can change so quickly. :)
Great vid and all but i would never have pitched a 'commercial' tent on that spot knowing you will experience high wind and rain, you walked right into that one im afraid.
Oh dear, a Hiiieberg failing? & an Allak 2 at that. I'll watch all the social media platforms with interest. I wonder if it all kicks off like the last time a tent failed. Everything has a failure point, no we know where this one is, sitting down now with a cuppa, waiting for the bun fight to start. 🤣🤣
To be fair mate I really feel like this one was my error in the way I pitched It I made a lot of mistakes and can see that in hindsight. Thanks for watching ☺️
interesting. someone with more thermal dynamics or weather modelling knowledge than me might know the answer but what I've seen on mountains ranges - particular horseshoe structures.... like Brecon Beacons (and I think Lake District and Scotland the very similar really) is that depending on what direction wind is coming you get accelerator effect. the prevailing wind might be 40mph if you were flying a kite at 1000m. but the 40mph wind at say 900m is squirted up the valley in such a way you end up with more like 60mph in effect. I think of it like a wind and land equivalent of a river where it narrows and it speeds up the current. if there's a dip on the ridge it tends to be worst there too. conversely if you went 200m lower it's like a summers day and not a drop of wind can be felt all of a sudden. that just looked like natures wind tunnel in a bad mood. lol. was best to pull off and live to fight another day. enjoy! ;-)
Bloody hell Andy that was one hell of a night mate now I understand why you paid so much for better polls how bad was the walk back to the car glad you made it back OK atvb Jimmy 😎😎👍👍
Absolutely terrible mate. Headtorch went on and off. Yeah much better 10 mm poles. I made a lot of mistakes in this one. In reality I should have just tried to re peg the tent and stay put. Haha
It was mate I think because it lost its composure water was coming in from Angles. Thankfully I've not had another issue with it since and have used it a lot (although not in similar conditions)
@@TheMackemMountaineer I’ve got a camp scheduled between Christmas and new year but if the forecast is anything like your night I’ll be having a rethink 😂
Blimey mate, that was scary. I could see you were starting panic a bit there. You did so well though to gather yourself up and get off that rock. Made for an entertaining video though. 😆
always said ill always be honest with my emotions on vlogs and not going to lie it had me nervous! what i didnt mention in that is that when i got out the tent the headtorch went off completely 🤦♂️ i was very lucky.
That's what you get for using a crappy Hilleberg tent!...They are literally like a parachute in the wind! If you want a quite nights sleep in high winds you need an ultralight DCF pyramid tent. You get much more room inside than any Hilleberg, but they are a tiny fraction of the weight, far easier to put up (you only need a single pole) and you can rely on the strength of DCF as by weight it's 15 times stronger than steel! And it's 3 times more waterproof than any Hilleberg too. Plus, because of how ridiculously expensive Hillebergs are, DCF tents are actually cheaper!
@@TheMackemMountaineer Not at all...Mine needs a minimum of four pegs, but 8 is ideal. I always carry 12 pegs so I can use guy lines if required. I use TITO ultralight Titanium shepherd hook pegs. They are 165mm long and I have 6 that are 3mm diameter and 6 that are 3.5mm diameter. They only weigh about 6g each and they have sharpened tips so you can easily push them into the ground by hand. I use a single four section folding 55" (1.4m) Carbon Fibre tent pole made in the states by Mountain Laurel Designs (MLD), which weighs 90g. I slope the pole out at the bottom towards the door so it doesn't get in the way inside. But I can also dispense with the pole completely by simply hanging the tent up via a taught ultralight Dyneema ridgeline tied between two trees, via a webbing loop on the peak (not all DCF tents have this though). It's really a doddle to put up. To cover the floor I use a large 10 foot x 5 foot (1.5m x 3m) sheet of Polycro (the lightest 100% waterproof groundsheet material you can get). My Ground sheet weighs 112g. It only cost me £7.99 on ebay. My tent has two huge doors that can both be open at the same time without the tent falling down and they can double as windbreaks...I can guy them out via some guy line tied to a trekking pole and then down to the ground so I can sit outside cooking on my Helinox Chair Zero without any windchill.
The only scary thing is freezing to death in that situation, I’ve had some very dodgy camping experiences 😂 literally woke up in a full inch of water a number times and thought I was gonna die once haha cause it was literally 2 degrees and hammering it down windy as fuck I was like 3 hours away from the nearest hotel and cause I was using a cheap summer festival tent not only was rain pouring through the top the wind was coming through heavily too and I’m sure you can imagine how it zaps the heat from you being an inch under water with cold air and water hitting you too haha. In the end I stayed up for the whole night and the second it was light I packed up and was thankful I didn’t die or hyperthermia haha. People should always bring tape to reinforce their tent poles btw cause I’ve had a good few snap on me too
This is exactly what I was worried about yeah. Once I got out the tent headtorch went off and I was basically at the summit. It was either try get down or sit there is driving rain. Luckily got down OK in the end
When your in those situations, it's a mixture of 'Laugh it off' but also 'shit... I need to do something here!' Amusing to watch, knowing you were alright in the end 💪 Haway the lads 🙏 💪 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️
@thegroove2000 will do mate, defo try to avoid the wind haha but if I'm caught up I'll post with the better poles as it should defo make a big difference :) the new poles are o. My most recent video (but the conditions weren't as bad). ATB
This is why I've always said that Hilleberg are nothing but a rip off. A nature hike or another £150 tent would do a better job. Hilleberg charge this money because they say they can handle these extremes but the truth is, they can't. Glad you got out safely.
Thanks for watching mate. I do love the hillebergs but only now I'm using 10mm poles on both allak and soulo. To be honest I love pretty much every tent available to man regardless of make haha 😄
I’ve got a Hilleberg and a Naturehike. The Hilleberg is 3x stronger. If a Hilleberg failed a Naturehike would be totally destroyed. And let’s face it, all that happened was a peg came out which can happen no matter what tent you use.
Always have a spare head torch, and an emergency bivvy bag, would have kept your sleeping system dry and leave the beers at home, hopefully you didn’t drive….
Nah I like a beer, but bare in mind I drank a few at 4pm so was easily sober by 1am, back at the car 4.30am and slept until 6.30am - I'm not stupid lol headtorch and bivvy... that's a lesson I learned from this and bought the ledlenser h19r which is awesome
So people still believe the weatherman.... While your travails were impressive, you should look back, if you already haven't done so, as an incredible learning experience - you could not have forseen that in advance, but your planning has already evolved for future camps. Small price to pay to evade disaster. (I highly recommend a small boat anchor for the Jet Boil. LOL) Have a happy new year and thanks for an experience I probably would not enjoy myself, either.
Hahaha its more than the weather that can make something a nightmare? Gear problems, state of mind, unforseen circumstances? To top of it off my head torch went off out the tent so was totally blind. All the best.
Have a couple of hillebrgs myself. Comming from Scotland , it is amusing watching people in england having trouble on their little hillls. If using delta pags , you can't double peg them. A tip is to bring along an extra guyline with guyline tensioners attached. The guyline can quickly be attached to the tent when needed with caribeeners.
Oh I didn't double peg the deltas mate, I took it out and double pegged with v pegs as I always carry a selection. Haha agree Scotland hills are better but at any elevation, in the wrong conditions, someone can get into trouble. It was that exact level of complacency which got me into bother here
@@TheMackemMountaineer I know. Using a Soulo BL just now, my first Hilleberg though was a Tarra which I got because a Wild Country tent got destroyed in the Caringorms in a storm with 80mph forcast winds. Have also had an Akto ripped out of the ground due to my mistake in 90mph forcast winds. Winds can be much worse though, upto 173mph being recorded on Cairngorm.
No sympathy pal. You said you'd never camp in those conditions unless caught in it (yet at the same time kept quoting a shit weather forecast). Don't risk it for clicks.
No sympathy required mate haha there has to be a cross over section of risk and reward. With a Hileberg you'd expect to be OK. To me 25mph is the top end of that chart which was forecast. When I say its due to get worse, I mean to 25mph ish opposed to the 15 ish I encountered on the way up ☺️ of course though, it ended up being way over 25 which wasn't expected hence the retreat. Personally don't camp I'm anything over 25 - 30mph tops. That said, a good learning curve with harsh lessons
The tent wasn’t at fault. Nature just found a weakness. As a veteran who served in the Coast Guard, in a situation like that, prior to sleeping and knowing the foul weather to come, you set condition Zebra. Prepare for the worst hope for the best. Wishing you safe passage, peace and good fortune. Happy Trails.
Thank you mate. I agree. All the best
Never understood the beers bit of wild camping can think of nothing worse than a long walk out with a hang over. Madness.
I don't get hangovers mate so I'm fine 🙂
what a brilliant video ! this is life-changing ! I felt like i was with you at 2AM in the wild wild weather - man - this is absolutly worth watching! you are great mate ! just love the way you talk to the camera - you make me feel like we have been mates for a long time - well done!
Thank you brother 👏 much love and thanks for watching
That was nail biting stuff there. At one point I thought this was going to be 'found footage' with a post- script saying the recording was found amongst the remains of a tent and some empties! You clearly made the right decision to strike camp , get back to the car and live to camp another day. Huge amount of admiration👍
Haha very true. We live to fight another day 😄 thanks for watching
@@TheMackemMountaineer My first tent was flattened at carngorm in 80mph forecast winds. This was a declaration of war by the weathergods; so got a Hilleberg Tarra with a second set of poles, it later was followed by 6 more hilleberg tents. Currently have 2, the Anjan 2 and for mental weather, the AKto with 2x10mm poles.
@@DemiGod.. how does the akto cope? I've looked at it with a thought of buying one
Crazy weather. Very cool video. Enjoyed watching it very much. Thanks 😊
Thank you 😊
I've been in similar situation when I was a kid. Thank you for posting this video as a reminder to what can happen in poor weather.
Thanks for watching mate. I'm very new to wild camping and hiking so this was a first for me experiencing a situation like this. Lots of lessons learned though
Good on you for continuing to film in those conditions to share that experience with us. To be honest the Allak looked solid until that peg blew.
Yeah mate I still don't understand how the delta pegs come out twice!! Lessons learned.
Great video Andy ,getting good on the fell spotting too .nightmare conditions though. Character building stuff 👍
Cheers mate
Reminds me of the night I spent at Styhead Tarn in 60-70mph wind and rain/hail. We had to bail at about 4am when water was flowing under the tent. Styhead gill had turned from a trickle to white water river!
You made the right decision getting off the mountain, safety first 👍👍
It's scary when it happens mate, especially first time bit these experiences are how we grow
All the best
It’s nice to see my old tent finally getting a proper testing 😄😳
Stunning up there, our first ever wild camp was on Dale Head summit around 10 years ago in an old Terra Nova quasar tent and we got a great sunset and sunrise!!
Thanks mate
Bloody hell mate that was Insane winds !!
Glad your got back safe.
That looked bloody frightening.
Atb Graham
Certainly was. Some big mistakes made and lessons learned.
Great video and thanks for sharing - shows why you need the right kit and being prepared. A lesson for us all that even the best with the best kit will be caught out at some point. I bet you never forget that night - a glad you got down safe.
Thanks for watching mate. Yeah defo still in the memory.
Something similar happened to me in my hilliberg jannu. These things will inevitably happen if you go out often enough in rough enough conditions. To be fair hilliberg did a great job in repairing the tent. I think that every tent has its limits and you were unlucky enough to be out in conditions that eexceed that.. Good video
Thanks brother. Yeah I've camped over 70 nights in 12 months, eventually something was bound to happen. Love it though and all good experience
Very surprised you pitched in that location knowing a storm was coming, there was no shelter at all.
Id also have packed up all my gear in my rucksack that wasnt essential to protect it and in case I had to leave in a hurry.
Yep fair to say I'd made some mistakes. Especially with not packing majority of gear up ahead of the night. Winds weren't forecast to get as bad as that to be fair and changed direction, another lesson learned... don't always take the forecast as gospel haha thanks for watching. ATB
Wow❗️ sketchy camp.
I’ve been out in my Kaitum for the last two nights in strong winds but no where near what you experienced.
I woke up this morning and the tent was being bounced all over the place. Sounded to me like failure of the poles or fabric wasn’t far away so I made the decision to bail out. I’ve never de-camped so quickly and was back in the car and on the road by 05:45.
No structural damage to the tent but I have someone managed to put a hole in the fabric where it’s been rubbing all night against a buckle on my pack.
I’ll be sending it up to ‘Scottish Mountain Gear’ in the New Year for repair.
Already looking forward to the next one on New Years Eve - hoping for a quieter night❗️
Bloody hell mate sounds like a nightmare too. Rubbing against a buckle is something you just wouldn't consider. I'll certainly be mindful of that situation too going forward.
I have no idea what the wind speed was in this video either. It was only forecast for around 20mph
@@TheMackemMountaineer Those winds were def around 50+. maybe even more...
A Geordie to a mackem, you produced a great video in a dire situation , very well done! Always look for a sheltered spot when high winds are forecasted! You will never forget this camp but a valuable lesson on high winds in exposed spots! Mark.
Absolutely agree mate. Footy teams aside, anyone who loves an adventure has my respect. Thanks for watching brother
@@TheMackemMountaineer I love mountains more than footie! It is great to see some great videos by us Geordies + Are friends in Sunderland, Do we hate mackems all just banter unless Ur a thicko! The great outdoors is far better than a 90+ minutes of football game! The Scottish Highlands is a fantastic place! Mark!
@markalanshaw4950 I 100% agree mate and some of my best mates ate geordies. I wish them all the best also.
@@TheMackemMountaineer How would the Vango force 10 fair against these new tents in a storm? Pity it's too heavy for backpacking! Unless Ur are rich your tent will be sub £400 . Mark.
@markalanshaw4950 I dunno mate I've not had that tent. In terms of rich I'm defo not brother, I'm a single parent with a decent job but work a lot of overtime to try buy hillebergs etc. Not easy but because it's my passion I really try
Cracking spot for views there mate, but that wind..😮, 2 weeks in camping terms feels like a lifetime 🤣, every time I’ve hiked up there it’s always been wild weather, but the scenery from there is epic. You hit the nail on the head about getting out and camping mate👌same for me. Scary stuff when the weather turns like that 😮, good call to get out of there, didn’t look like getting any better mate, atb Mick 👍
Cheers brother. It's a great spot
sometimes nature kicks our butt. well done keeping calm and making right decisions.
Not going to lie mate I wasn't calm inside haha when I got out the tent my headtorch failed. Completely pitch black darkness. Thanks for watching 🙌
@@TheMackemMountaineer scary stuff.
Fair play on sharing the video. Maybe not the best idea to pitch at elevation on a windswept hillside in high winds with a poor forecast and then drink a bunch of beers. Glad you got through it all.
Haha totally agree, but max forecast was said to be 20mph winds so totally caught me out. It is what it is though :)
Well you will certainly remember that camp, brave to bail in the night. Prior to the drama some nice words regarding your love of wild camping, as someone who’s new to it too I couldn’t agree with you more on how good it is for your head.
I recall a Tom Heaney Adventure vid on here saying the Allak struggled in the wind.
At least you made it down safe and did not have your girls with you. ATB 👍😉👊
I was so glad the girls didn't come as emily had planned on coming up until the last minute. Not going to lie, I was bricking it coming down as I've never hiked in the dark, then the head torch went out 😳 defo big lessons learned mate. All the best
8.50 Jesus flipping heck yeah that wind didn't half pick up good man keep safe buddy question for ya what L is the bag you use I'm thinking of getting one but was looking at the 80 L
@Butchyboysadventures cheers mate. The bag is 65L bud. Great bag very comfy
Yeah I never buy expensive shit i like roughin it with the low gear just for a giggle but I've got some good electrical kit and think a good bag will help look after my kit well looks like I need santa for a bag hahaha enjoy buddy ATB
What a diabolically bad night. Glad you made it out safely.
Thanks for watching mate. Lessons learned haha
A true Mackem, that was scary stuff mate, pleased you mananged to get off the hill and still in true sprit. 👍
Thanks for watching mate. All the best
Ouch!! Good video
That was horrendous weather you found yourself in. Oh my .😮 You did the right thing getting off the mountain. I was scared for you. Pleased you survived the storm.
Thank you 😊
Wow great vid, now you've experienced a "bail out" would you do things any different? I mean would you say that it was safer to leave or fight it out till light
I made so many mistakes mate. In hindsight I'd have stayed put a d tried again to re-peg the tent and use rocks. I went out and bought 10mm poles the following week. Another mistake was a crap head torch. It actually went off when I got the tent packed down. Terrifying to be honest. I went out and bought a ledlenser h19r which is amazing.
So many mistakes but a good way to learn I suppose haha
Jeepers that was wild mate. I’m glad you got back to the car, fair play for you to film it all.
Thanks for watching brother. It had me anxious for days lol
Shit man that looked scarey , well done for still managing to film it , thanks for sharing mate ,atb Deka 👍🏻
Thanks mate. Couldn't film on way down. Defo a hairy one haha
Holy crap, well done for bailing out in the dark safely.
Thanks for watching mate
You made the right decision to get off the top !
At least you learned a valuable lesson. Pack everything up before bed 👍
Great Vid Dude !
Thanks mate, all for learning lessons it's what makes us grow
its true !@@TheMackemMountaineer
Great introduction to your channel mate, new sub for your troubles!
Thank you brother. All the best and hopefully more entertaining vlogs to come ☺️
Ah when you need to replace Carling Black Label with Hilleberg Black Label
🤣🤣🤣🤣🙌
"Not worried as we're in the Hilleberg" - it's cloth and some alloy poles mate. The Allak is not designed for those conditions and brand means nothing without experience. Hopefully you have learnt some lessons from this trip, and im glad you are safe.
Thanks for sharing. Can't find the follow-up video you mentioned though. So what do you think the problems were?
Thanks for watching mate. So the problems in my opinion were as follows.
I bought the tent pre owned and thinking back one of the poles had an excessive bend in it. I think this made the pole flex too much and caused the delta peg to continuously pull out of the ground. I also made quite a few mistakes. I should have pitched the tent the other way around as with the doors open as they were it was like a sail. I should have also pitched even further down than I did or tried to find some form of shelter but I suppose you can't predict the wind change sometimes.
I've since bought the 10mm pole set which feels much better and the tent has a better shape now I'm not using the old bent 9mm pole mentioned above.
All the best.
@@TheMackemMountaineer Hello. That’s very interesting. Thank you for the info. I’m looking at getting a new tent and will go camping in the Lake District too, so trying to avoid dangerous situations like this. Your experience and feedback are valuable.
@_Chris390 no problem, I've only been doing this 12 months myself so I'm quite new also so I'm learning on film I guess. I have hit 70 camps though in the first 12 month so learned a lot so far but usually the hard way 😅🤦♂️🙈 all the best for your camping adventures. My best advice would be simply put as always be prepared because conditions can change so quickly. :)
Great vid and all but i would never have pitched a 'commercial' tent on that spot knowing you will experience high wind and rain, you walked right into that one im afraid.
Yep agree in retrospect haha
Terrifying, well done!
Honestly now I've finished crying 😅 phew I can breathe again.. ya a star matey, this is why we do it!
Nature at it's best & you were in it
Haha way more extreme videos out there than this mate but thank you for watching. All a good learning curve for my young camping journey
You`ve gone on holiday by mistake, I feel your pain, never had a camp like that but what doesn`t kill you makes you stronger 👋👋👋
Absolutely agree mate. All part of building experience in the hills :)
Hardcore, that mate and very serious conditions! I'm glad you got back ok bud 🙏
Thank you mate
Oh dear, a Hiiieberg failing? & an Allak 2 at that. I'll watch all the social media platforms with interest. I wonder if it all kicks off like the last time a tent failed. Everything has a failure point, no we know where this one is, sitting down now with a cuppa, waiting for the bun fight to start. 🤣🤣
To be fair mate I really feel like this one was my error in the way I pitched It I made a lot of mistakes and can see that in hindsight. Thanks for watching ☺️
@@TheMackemMountaineer Fair play to you, glad you're safe, I was only saying everything has a failure point, even the mighty Hilliberg.
@@stevegresty4181 100% mate everything has its weaknesses.
Just got round to watching this.
it looked brutal from start to finish but good job staying positive.
Cheers mate. All the best for 2024
Wow! Just wow!
Thanks for watching. All the best 👍
Epic mate 🌪️🌪️🌪️ it does put the 💩’s up you in those conditions.
Onwards to the next!
interesting. someone with more thermal dynamics or weather modelling knowledge than me might know the answer but what I've seen on mountains ranges - particular horseshoe structures.... like Brecon Beacons (and I think Lake District and Scotland the very similar really) is that depending on what direction wind is coming you get accelerator effect. the prevailing wind might be 40mph if you were flying a kite at 1000m. but the 40mph wind at say 900m is squirted up the valley in such a way you end up with more like 60mph in effect. I think of it like a wind and land equivalent of a river where it narrows and it speeds up the current. if there's a dip on the ridge it tends to be worst there too. conversely if you went 200m lower it's like a summers day and not a drop of wind can be felt all of a sudden. that just looked like natures wind tunnel in a bad mood. lol. was best to pull off and live to fight another day. enjoy! ;-)
Very interesting comment, thank you. I don't know mich about it personally but I'm going to further research 😊 all the best
What could have happened if he stayed put?
Bloody hell Andy that was one hell of a night mate now I understand why you paid so much for better polls how bad was the walk back to the car glad you made it back OK atvb Jimmy 😎😎👍👍
Absolutely terrible mate. Headtorch went on and off. Yeah much better 10 mm poles. I made a lot of mistakes in this one. In reality I should have just tried to re peg the tent and stay put. Haha
@@TheMackemMountaineer every day is a school day mate we all learn and improve our skills 👍🏻
Wow that was some weather 😮💧
Thanks for watching. All the best
Mental mate, well done for bailing when you did, mother nature was defo in charge that night. Glad you got down safe, Stay Safe, Stu.
Cheers mate, yeah she definitely won that one haha and I'm sure it won't be the last victory for her lol
OMG Andrew that was so bloody scary I was terrified for you, please find another hobby son ❤️
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Had my Soulo out in 50mph winds the other day with delta pegs, it stuck like a limpet🙏
I do love my soulo top. All the best
It looked like the Hilleberg was leaking from everywhere!
It was mate I think because it lost its composure water was coming in from Angles. Thankfully I've not had another issue with it since and have used it a lot (although not in similar conditions)
You did well there mate 👍
Thanks for watching mate ATB
Rather you than me on that one. Well done 👍
Haha I'd have rather been anywhere other than there mate lol
@@TheMackemMountaineer I’ve got a camp scheduled between Christmas and new year but if the forecast is anything like your night I’ll be having a rethink 😂
@cheviotoutdoors hope its OK for you mate. Cheviots?
@@TheMackemMountaineer yep, deffo Cheviots, my favourite place 👍
Blimey mate, that was scary. I could see you were starting panic a bit there. You did so well though to gather yourself up and get off that rock. Made for an entertaining video though. 😆
always said ill always be honest with my emotions on vlogs and not going to lie it had me nervous! what i didnt mention in that is that when i got out the tent the headtorch went off completely 🤦♂️ i was very lucky.
That's what you get for using a crappy Hilleberg tent!...They are literally like a parachute in the wind! If you want a quite nights sleep in high winds you need an ultralight DCF pyramid tent. You get much more room inside than any Hilleberg, but they are a tiny fraction of the weight, far easier to put up (you only need a single pole) and you can rely on the strength of DCF as by weight it's 15 times stronger than steel! And it's 3 times more waterproof than any Hilleberg too. Plus, because of how ridiculously expensive Hillebergs are, DCF tents are actually cheaper!
Haha fair one mate. Is the DCF material the stuff that literally doesn't stretch? I'm always open to new tents so I'll have a look at it. All the best
@@TheMackemMountaineer That's the stuff...Once you go DCF you won't want anything else.
@@alfoutdoors9660 I've heard they're difficult to pitch ? Is that true or a falsity?
@@TheMackemMountaineer Not at all...Mine needs a minimum of four pegs, but 8 is ideal. I always carry 12 pegs so I can use guy lines if required. I use TITO ultralight Titanium shepherd hook pegs. They are 165mm long and I have 6 that are 3mm diameter and 6 that are 3.5mm diameter. They only weigh about 6g each and they have sharpened tips so you can easily push them into the ground by hand. I use a single four section folding 55" (1.4m) Carbon Fibre tent pole made in the states by Mountain Laurel Designs (MLD), which weighs 90g. I slope the pole out at the bottom towards the door so it doesn't get in the way inside. But I can also dispense with the pole completely by simply hanging the tent up via a taught ultralight Dyneema ridgeline tied between two trees, via a webbing loop on the peak (not all DCF tents have this though). It's really a doddle to put up. To cover the floor I use a large 10 foot x 5 foot (1.5m x 3m) sheet of Polycro (the lightest 100% waterproof groundsheet material you can get). My Ground sheet weighs 112g. It only cost me £7.99 on ebay. My tent has two huge doors that can both be open at the same time without the tent falling down and they can double as windbreaks...I can guy them out via some guy line tied to a trekking pole and then down to the ground so I can sit outside cooking on my Helinox Chair Zero without any windchill.
@@alfoutdoors9660 sounds great mate
Having an ' out" means unconsciously making errors
The only scary thing is freezing to death in that situation, I’ve had some very dodgy camping experiences 😂 literally woke up in a full inch of water a number times and thought I was gonna die once haha cause it was literally 2 degrees and hammering it down windy as fuck I was like 3 hours away from the nearest hotel and cause I was using a cheap summer festival tent not only was rain pouring through the top the wind was coming through heavily too and I’m sure you can imagine how it zaps the heat from you being an inch under water with cold air and water hitting you too haha. In the end I stayed up for the whole night and the second it was light I packed up and was thankful I didn’t die or hyperthermia haha. People should always bring tape to reinforce their tent poles btw cause I’ve had a good few snap on me too
This is exactly what I was worried about yeah. Once I got out the tent headtorch went off and I was basically at the summit. It was either try get down or sit there is driving rain. Luckily got down OK in the end
12:26 Hi! Yes, nature is soothing but for real peace you need to accept JESUS CHRIST as your Lord and Savior!!! Greetings from Canada 👋👋
When your in those situations, it's a mixture of 'Laugh it off' but also 'shit... I need to do something here!'
Amusing to watch, knowing you were alright in the end 💪
Haway the lads 🙏 💪 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️
Cheers brother. Thanks for watching. All fun and games haha
I look forward to a night of peace and quiet contemplation.....weather "hold my beer "
Hahhha I know mate totally curs3d myself a few times in this vlog haha
@@TheMackemMountaineer Briiliant video though mate, you've got yourself a new subscriber.
@sicr7373 thanks mate appreciated. Will try repay you with some banter bro
Where is that? OMG, I've never seen an Hilleberg fail... esp red and black labels.. omg...
It was in the lake district, it was down to tye peg coming out and tye pole being excessively bent. Thanks for watching
Not the tent for such conditions it seems.
Since upgrades to 10mm poles, much better now. All the best
Nice. Share a vid with in the same condition's with your new poles if you get the opportunity again please. @@TheMackemMountaineer
@thegroove2000 will do mate, defo try to avoid the wind haha but if I'm caught up I'll post with the better poles as it should defo make a big difference :) the new poles are o. My most recent video (but the conditions weren't as bad). ATB
That didn't look fun. I had experience with the allak as well in extreme wind, similar to your's and the guylines started to tear from the tent.
Yeah mate defo lost some faith in it. Thanks for watching
A have 2 lots of delta pegs in my allack no.probs with it
I think one of my poles were excessively bent mate causing the problem with the peg coming out. All the best
just wrong choice of pitch location. Hillibergs are not indestructible. in Antarctica we would dig them down a metre and also build a snow wall.
Yeah defo in retrospect wrong decision to pitch there. I genuinely think the issue stemmed from an already bent pole.
yep, location is everything. Also we would sometimes double pole if the wind was bad.@@TheMackemMountaineer
Was shit scary situation you were in 🍺🍺🍰👍
Thanks for watching mate. All the best
nice one
Thanks for watching mate
These are the adventures we remember ! very entertaining, glad your safe@@TheMackemMountaineer
These are the adventures we remember!, very entertaining, glad your safe @@TheMackemMountaineer
This is why I've always said that Hilleberg are nothing but a rip off. A nature hike or another £150 tent would do a better job. Hilleberg charge this money because they say they can handle these extremes but the truth is, they can't. Glad you got out safely.
Thanks for watching mate. I do love the hillebergs but only now I'm using 10mm poles on both allak and soulo. To be honest I love pretty much every tent available to man regardless of make haha 😄
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But please. Why do we use Hilleberg during winter in the arctic???? I am quite sure that you dont know what you are talking about
I’ve got a Hilleberg and a Naturehike. The Hilleberg is 3x stronger. If a Hilleberg failed a Naturehike would be totally destroyed. And let’s face it, all that happened was a peg came out which can happen no matter what tent you use.
How is a hilleberg a rip off mate.
Always have a spare head torch, and an emergency bivvy bag, would have kept your sleeping system dry and leave the beers at home, hopefully you didn’t drive….
Nah I like a beer, but bare in mind I drank a few at 4pm so was easily sober by 1am, back at the car 4.30am and slept until 6.30am - I'm not stupid lol headtorch and bivvy... that's a lesson I learned from this and bought the ledlenser h19r which is awesome
Was für ne panik er macht 😂😂😂es gibt Stürme da hät kein Zelt dicht. Die frage ist auch ob es perfekt abgespannt war ( meistens nicht...)
11%that's nasty brew 😂lovely views best part uk up there and Northumberland but hey out beats Sunderland place full of red n whiters😂
Love Northumberland mate. Oy, our footy team is shit not our people hahaha
U new bad other woz and stopped on top come down a bit delta slammed in and a god nite had by all belt and braissis
So people still believe the weatherman.... While your travails were impressive, you should look back, if you already haven't done so, as an incredible learning experience - you could not have forseen that in advance, but your planning has already evolved for future camps. Small price to pay to evade disaster. (I highly recommend a small boat anchor for the Jet Boil. LOL) Have a happy new year and thanks for an experience I probably would not enjoy myself, either.
Absolutely correct, Always a learning curve and learned do much on this one. All the best for 2024
if that was a nightmare just bcz of sone wi d and afew drops of water, don't ever leave from your island
Hahaha its more than the weather that can make something a nightmare? Gear problems, state of mind, unforseen circumstances? To top of it off my head torch went off out the tent so was totally blind. All the best.
Have a couple of hillebrgs myself. Comming from Scotland , it is amusing watching people in england having trouble on their little hillls.
If using delta pags , you can't double peg them. A tip is to bring along an extra guyline with guyline tensioners attached. The guyline can quickly be attached to the tent when needed with caribeeners.
Oh I didn't double peg the deltas mate, I took it out and double pegged with v pegs as I always carry a selection.
Haha agree Scotland hills are better but at any elevation, in the wrong conditions, someone can get into trouble. It was that exact level of complacency which got me into bother here
@@TheMackemMountaineer I know. Using a Soulo BL just now, my first Hilleberg though was a Tarra which I got because a Wild Country tent got destroyed in the Caringorms in a storm with 80mph forcast winds. Have also had an Akto ripped out of the ground due to my mistake in 90mph forcast winds. Winds can be much worse though, upto 173mph being recorded on Cairngorm.
Jesus Christ!
Thanks for watching mate. ATB
Glad you were o.k, must have been scary, I haven’t been wild camping in wind half the strength of that! , p.s subbed
@stevenvitali7404 thank you mate, I'd be fibbing if I said I wasn't worried but it's a good learning curve. Thanks for subbing brother
No sympathy pal. You said you'd never camp in those conditions unless caught in it (yet at the same time kept quoting a shit weather forecast). Don't risk it for clicks.
No sympathy required mate haha there has to be a cross over section of risk and reward. With a Hileberg you'd expect to be OK. To me 25mph is the top end of that chart which was forecast. When I say its due to get worse, I mean to 25mph ish opposed to the 15 ish I encountered on the way up ☺️ of course though, it ended up being way over 25 which wasn't expected hence the retreat.
Personally don't camp I'm anything over 25 - 30mph tops. That said, a good learning curve with harsh lessons
That took some bottle, well done Marra. From a Mackem living in Fuerteventura❤🤍
Thanks mate. All the best fellow mackem haha