Tipsblitz19: Drilling spring steel with HSS drills

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  • A simple way to drill springsteel with a HSS drill, which is otherwise very tough to drill.
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  • @ThisOldTony
    @ThisOldTony 4 роки тому +195

    great tip! now if only you had a tool to deburr those holes.

    • @dmitryserov5595
      @dmitryserov5595 4 роки тому +15

      You just have to wait for Tipsblitz20, Tony.

    • @shazam6274
      @shazam6274 4 роки тому +6

      TOT makes one from a file on his channel.

    • @janisdobelis932
      @janisdobelis932 4 роки тому +10

      Ow you sneaky TOT..

    • @gillbates999
      @gillbates999 4 роки тому +7

      It would probably need a sub-scribe tool. Any ideas ToT?

    • @skizzik121
      @skizzik121 4 роки тому +2

      Knew I would see you here

  • @Blondihacks
    @Blondihacks 4 роки тому +58

    Fantastic. All my drills went dull in the drawer just watching that.

  • @caigner
    @caigner 4 роки тому

    Als Holzwerker, der nur sehr selten mit Metall zu tun hat, ist man für solche Tips besonders dankbar. Vielen Dank!

  • @sweetpeaz61
    @sweetpeaz61 4 роки тому +9

    Stefan, love your videos, can i add a tip I have learnt from my years in the workshop and driiling hard steels with HSS drills. If you take your sarpened drill to the diamond lap on your tool grinder as you did to split the point but instead of splitting the point you grind the cutting face true to the axis of the drill bit ( in effect reducing the positive rake of the cutting edge to a neutral rake) this presents a very strong edge to the hard material you are cutting that will not dull easily. Drill at slow speed and with a high sulphur cutting oil if you have it and the drill will slide through even very hard steels..(I have drilled holes in ball bearing cages and files using this technique) Thanks again for your fantistic and informative videos..you have taught me several things :)

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 4 роки тому +1

    Go slow and go hard, got it! Same goes for work hardening materials. Working with prehardened materials presents all kinds of challenges. I enjoyed the tip and it was fun being a part of #tipsblitz19

  • @forrestaddy9644
    @forrestaddy9644 4 роки тому +36

    Stefan, my personal trick for drilling thin spring steel (no more 1/32" or 0.80mm) is to spot anneal the drill site. I do this with friction heating. I grip a wood dowel in the drill chuck, max the spindle RPM, and intermittantly force the wood dowel firmly into the work hard enough to make smoke. Stop when you see a blue spot spreading from the friction. Then swap to the drill and make your hole at normal drilling speed. This might work on thicker material but I haven't tried it. Metal backup will suck the heat away: you might want to use wood after all.
    Don't over-feed. You don't want red heat - just enough temperature rise to draw the spring temper into machinability.
    You might also "bsck off" the 25 degree positive rake at the cutting edge to neutral as you do for drilling cast bronze.

    • @odplantagriservice2260
      @odplantagriservice2260 4 роки тому

      Poo lo

    • @tuttebelleke
      @tuttebelleke 4 роки тому +1

      Seems a very good method, I will try next time I need! As you mention, it will probably not work that well in thicker material (because the more heat dissipation?). Couldn't that be solved by using an aluminum (or other material) dowel? It would give a much higher friction (= more heat) than wood on steel?

    • @GhengisDhad
      @GhengisDhad 3 роки тому +1

      sometimes the best solution is low tech!
      great idea, thanks for sharing!

  • @PixelSchnitzel
    @PixelSchnitzel 4 роки тому +15

    Ordinary spring steel sure is a pain, but if you can find some Bruce spring steel, that stuff was Born To Run. It's used in band saw bands, automatic transmission bands and E Street bands. Just be careful with polished Bruce spring steel when you're out in the sun so you don't get Blinded By The Light. A lot of the Bruce spring steel that's on the market today was Born in the USA, but sometimes makes it overseas.

    • @gusbisbal9803
      @gusbisbal9803 4 роки тому +5

      You do realise that this many Dad joke in a row is a Federal offence.

  • @mikehart6708
    @mikehart6708 Рік тому

    Very helpful. Thank you. I feel inspired to learn how to thin the web.

  • @bikersoncall
    @bikersoncall 3 роки тому +1

    30 + years of using shop tools and fabricating personal projects,
    yet I learned about 6 things in this video, in ten minutes, methods
    that I can use.

  • @ClipperDays
    @ClipperDays 4 роки тому +14

    I'm impressed. And also educated. That is a tip I can use.

  • @11Aldebaran11
    @11Aldebaran11 4 роки тому +2

    Every video from you, and one lesson for me.
    "Don't worry and Keep Turning"

  • @tinkermouse-scottrussell3738
    @tinkermouse-scottrussell3738 4 роки тому +5

    Great tip Stefan thanks for taking the time to share it with us.
    Play Safe From Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.

  • @joeszabo4237
    @joeszabo4237 4 роки тому +7

    Thanks Stefan, great video, hope I remember this when I need it.

  • @mjcrabtree8073
    @mjcrabtree8073 4 місяці тому

    Brilliant tip on 2 accounts - slow speed drilling not high speed and a simple but functional method of grinding a drill tip to the correct angle / shape

  • @terrycannon570
    @terrycannon570 4 роки тому

    Outstanding Stephan. I have enjoyed yours and all the rest of the participants post .

  • @girliedog
    @girliedog 4 роки тому

    Very nice tip Stefan, excellent demo. Thank you

  • @howder1951
    @howder1951 4 роки тому

    Great tip Stefan, learning to grind a drill is like teaching a hungry man to fish. The act is simple once it is learned, and once you learn how to grind a drill, it is faster to re sharpen than to go get a new bit. Cheers and thanks!

  • @loydsa
    @loydsa 4 роки тому +2

    Excellent tips Stefan, thank you for sharing this with us all. Best Regards Sarah

  • @EverettsWorkshop
    @EverettsWorkshop 4 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing Stefan, a lot of us don't have a lot of carbide drills so ideas like these help. Thanks for demonstrating!

  • @AWDJRforYouTube
    @AWDJRforYouTube 4 роки тому +2

    YES, many decades ago, I use to machine m42 HSS counterbore blanks w/ HSS drills and hog mills...S>L>O>W cutting speed does the trick, and we were paid by the hour lol! Never get a way with that in today's job matrix lol!

  • @stumccabe
    @stumccabe 4 роки тому

    Excellent tip. Thanks Stefan.

  • @TimberWolfActual
    @TimberWolfActual 4 роки тому

    That answers questions I've had for a long time. Thank you.

  • @hermankrijnen6409
    @hermankrijnen6409 4 роки тому

    Stefan, thank you. excellent tip for clockmakers.

  • @CraigsWorkshop
    @CraigsWorkshop 4 роки тому +2

    Excellent stuff, thanks Stefan. I will make use of this tip for sure.

  • @hewlejr
    @hewlejr 2 роки тому

    This is exactly what I was looking for! And the bit-sharpening tutorial was a bonus. Thanks!

  • @BrendaEM
    @BrendaEM 4 роки тому

    This was an informative video for dealing with a fairly common problem. Thanks.

  • @dunkd2a3n
    @dunkd2a3n 4 роки тому

    awesome video. Thank you Stefan.

  • @johnswilley6764
    @johnswilley6764 4 роки тому

    Thank you Stefan! Really useful info on the low rpm thing. Best wishes from Orlando, Florida.

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks, Stefan. Got notifications from a bunch of UA-camrs including you at the same time :-)

  • @caedronburchfield3429
    @caedronburchfield3429 4 роки тому

    Wow! Makes me want to get out some spring steel and try it!

  • @TrojanHorse1959
    @TrojanHorse1959 4 роки тому

    Great tip Stefan, thank you!

  • @SteveSummers
    @SteveSummers 4 роки тому +4

    Thanks for sharing Stefan👌👍

    • @IBWatchinUrVids
      @IBWatchinUrVids 4 роки тому

      Steve, where's your tipblitz video? I'm sure you have some, considering I'm pretty sure I've watched every video on your channel.

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers 4 роки тому

      @@IBWatchinUrVids Its on my channel.

  • @OstapHelDesigns
    @OstapHelDesigns 4 роки тому

    Great! New video from S.G. is a perfect way to start Sunday 😊 thanks for sharing your knowledge and tips, really curious what will you show us next time!

  • @pgs8597
    @pgs8597 4 роки тому

    G’day Stefan great tip and excellent presentation. Thanks
    Peter

  • @MikeBramm
    @MikeBramm 4 роки тому

    Nice tip, thanks. I'll have to keep this in mind.

  • @bostedtap8399
    @bostedtap8399 4 роки тому

    Excellent, back up in steel is new to me 👍.

  • @michaelstreets7816
    @michaelstreets7816 4 роки тому

    Brilliant. Thanks for this.

  • @jeffryblackmon4846
    @jeffryblackmon4846 4 роки тому

    Thank you, Stefan!

  • @keith73z28
    @keith73z28 4 роки тому

    Very good. I need to practice freehand grinding, and keep coming back to review this.

  • @mattharrington4887
    @mattharrington4887 4 роки тому

    Yet again, I have leant something. Thanks, Stefan

  • @paulmurphy612
    @paulmurphy612 4 роки тому

    I learned something. Thank you.

  • @keithhansen3963
    @keithhansen3963 4 роки тому +2

    A+ as always

  • @CreaseysWorkshop
    @CreaseysWorkshop 4 роки тому

    That’s super useful. Especially the technique for sharpening.
    Thanks for being part of #tipsblitz19

  • @ChrisB257
    @ChrisB257 4 роки тому

    What a difference the split point makes :) Useful tip Stefan.

  • @markfulmer8501
    @markfulmer8501 4 роки тому

    another great video
    thanks

  • @WildmanTech
    @WildmanTech 4 роки тому

    Great tip Stefan!

  • @maciekm7953
    @maciekm7953 4 роки тому

    Great tips 👍Thank You.

  • @TheMiniMachineShop
    @TheMiniMachineShop 4 роки тому

    Thank you! Great video...

  • @makingsense2268
    @makingsense2268 4 роки тому

    As it happens, just yesterday I drilled through spring steel to fix a pair of my son's headphones. My drilling was much more like the first hole you tested; even with the cobalt HSS bit I used, it certainly needed the regrind I gave it. Now I see how to do it! Much obliged. :-)

  • @ROBRENZ
    @ROBRENZ 4 роки тому +2

    Good stuff Stefan! I have found the straight flute carbide drills for hard drilling work really well also.
    ATB, Robin

  • @thechipwelder1253
    @thechipwelder1253 4 роки тому

    Intersesting topic. Gotta give you some positive feedback as Well. Your content is always awesome, video quality is also very Nice. Your videos do however have a much better lighting than many Other Chanels on these topics. So great work on that especially. Just wanted to say that.

  • @aeror115
    @aeror115 4 роки тому

    Cool and helpful tips!
    Cheers mate

  • @RRINTHESHOP
    @RRINTHESHOP 4 роки тому +8

    Great tip. I find an angle of 130 to 135 better for hard and tough materials. Thanks Stefan.

  • @BruceWhitham
    @BruceWhitham 4 роки тому +1

    Good Video Stef, that old trick is well explained by you. I like to use my Black Smelly Smoky Cutting Fluid to give more life to the drill, web thinning is a great way of helping push through. slow speed drilling like that is really good in stainless steel as well. Cheers Bruce.

  • @larrysperling8801
    @larrysperling8801 4 роки тому +1

    nice tip reminds me of the old hand cranked cole drill. you could drill thru just about anything with that machine using hss

  • @cermem
    @cermem 4 роки тому

    thank you very much a tip i can certainly use

  • @KadamainKuwait
    @KadamainKuwait 4 роки тому

    Amazing tips and video

  • @georgelewisray
    @georgelewisray 4 роки тому

    AWESOME. . . thanks!

  • @krazziee2000
    @krazziee2000 4 роки тому

    very good info , thanks

  • @fernandgeenevan8773
    @fernandgeenevan8773 4 роки тому

    some input from a oldtimer. A long time ago we used stone or concrete drill bits, gave them an edge on the grinder and that way one could drill a hole in hardened steel! Using your DIY drillbits, anyone can still do this today.

  • @warrenjones744
    @warrenjones744 4 роки тому

    brilliant Stefan 👌

  • @Yorkiepoocharlie
    @Yorkiepoocharlie 4 роки тому

    Good stuff.

  • @jessestrum
    @jessestrum 4 роки тому

    thank you stefan prima

  • @godfreypoon5148
    @godfreypoon5148 4 роки тому +7

    This tip is certainly not pointless, although it is a split point.

  • @ralfkessler
    @ralfkessler 4 роки тому

    Thanks I have to drill and then tap 15n20. And it has been a problem. Was going to try cobalt and if no luck carbide. But I will also het some hss drills

  • @JourneymanRandy
    @JourneymanRandy 4 роки тому

    Nice chips with the split point. Good tip Stefan

  • @Toolman22364
    @Toolman22364 4 роки тому

    Very good tip to know.👍

  • @MrAlexhasker
    @MrAlexhasker 4 роки тому

    Good tip, thanks

  • @doubleboost
    @doubleboost 4 роки тому

    Very well explained

  • @bikersoncall
    @bikersoncall 3 роки тому

    I didn't even know that I could re sharpen my hss bits...lol,
    THANKS!!

  • @jeffanderson1653
    @jeffanderson1653 2 роки тому

    Great tip

  • @outsidescrewball
    @outsidescrewball 4 роки тому

    Great info/tip

  • @RobertWilliams-mk8pl
    @RobertWilliams-mk8pl 4 роки тому

    Thank you.

  • @MaxWattage
    @MaxWattage 4 роки тому +7

    Good tip.
    I'm watching this via the internet, and I still felt the need for safety goggles at 4:47.

    • @Drottninggatan2017
      @Drottninggatan2017 4 роки тому +2

      There is nothing preventing us from wearing safety glasses when watching these videos. Better safe than sorry.

  • @DudleyToolwright
    @DudleyToolwright 4 роки тому

    Nice tip. I would never have expected your solution. I put this trick in my bag. Viele Danke (sp?).

  • @tuttebelleke
    @tuttebelleke 4 роки тому

    Learned 2 fantastic things today as a 57 years old mechanic. Thanks!!! Is there also tricks for easier drilling stainless steel?

  • @bobuk5722
    @bobuk5722 4 роки тому

    A drill tip 'tip' - very good pun Stefan! BobUK.

  • @danielabbey7726
    @danielabbey7726 4 роки тому

    Very good tip! Always assumed that you needed carbide for drilling, but know better now.

  • @camatbattler2233
    @camatbattler2233 4 роки тому +3

    Great tip Stefan. I do use the masonry bits on hard materials and have had good success but they need to be ground just right. Your tip is brilliant and I'll certainly lock it away in the brain box for latter. I notice you don't use coolant, I'm assuming its for the same reason I don't use coolant for drilling or machining hardend materials as it reduces the friction and the tool just rubs instead of cutting.
    Cam

  • @kstricl
    @kstricl 4 роки тому

    Great video Stefan. I assume these tips would also apply with Cobalt bits (just giving more life between grinds.)

  • @52Ford
    @52Ford 4 роки тому

    I drilled a quarter inch (6mm?) hole through a piece of hardened carbon steel(I think it was similar to 440C steel used in knives) with a masonry bit ground to have sharp cutting edges, I believe it was near neutral, just a few degrees positive. The carbide broke on exiting the material, as I didn't have a backer (was using drill press). It was working really well until it broke through and one cutting came off. If you need the bit for more than one hole, I'd suggest a piece of mild steel as a backer, maybe even something harder, so the bit doesn't break when it exits the work piece.

  • @StefsEngineering
    @StefsEngineering 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the tip! Next week is the EMO in Hannover, do you plan to visit it as well? I'm definately looking forward to it!

  • @Rustinox
    @Rustinox 4 роки тому

    Great tip, Stefan. I'm not telling you how many drill bits i killed in hard steel.

  • @JorgenLarsson
    @JorgenLarsson 4 роки тому

    Great information! Spring steel is tough and stocking carbide drill bits in every size would cost an arm and leg. 👍

  • @glennstasse5698
    @glennstasse5698 4 роки тому +4

    It was instructive to show the improvement as each technique was added. It would not be nearly as clear if you just showed the narrow web bit at slow speed. Certainly more work for you, though, so thanks for the excellent tip.

  • @edwinjidat8885
    @edwinjidat8885 4 роки тому

    Using a center drill it works nice. I think center drill has a harder hss. It never failed. Just regrind the tip. And of course using small rpm

  • @waynepetrevan
    @waynepetrevan 3 роки тому

    thanks for the tip of course, very helpful as all your videos are but one question: you didn't use cutting oil...why not?

  • @Made2hack
    @Made2hack 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the tip. Can this be used with Stainless?

  • @kralyevski
    @kralyevski 4 роки тому

    great tip, what model and band is the vise that you use on your mill, i apologize if you already have that info in some of your videos

  • @MegaCountach
    @MegaCountach 4 роки тому

    Thanks Stephan, can you do a video on the vice used in this video? Happy Trails, Doug

  • @THEIRONWORKER
    @THEIRONWORKER 4 роки тому

    Try using turpentine for coolant . Very good tip also Thanks for sharing

  • @nbprotocol5406
    @nbprotocol5406 4 роки тому

    When you sharpen the drill then use an oil stone to make the edges razor sharp and use some oil for lube. You can buy a split point 135 degree cobalt hss drill too. 118 degree is standard and 135 is for hard materials.

  • @carneeki
    @carneeki 4 роки тому

    A tip about tips!

  • @theSam91
    @theSam91 4 роки тому

    Reminds me of drilling hardened tool steel at my old job, but HSS wouldn't touch it. Solid carbide drill worked, but would usually break under the force required to cut the steel. A sharpened masonry drill was the way to go because the shank could take slight flex and wouldn't snap. Also pilot holes, pilot holes, pilot holes and lots of coolant.

    • @theSam91
      @theSam91 4 роки тому +2

      @@MatthewMelson I worked with wire EDM! And drilling into hardened steel was usually to correct some mistake or drill a starting hole when someone forgot to put it in before hardening, so usually done on a Bridgeport style mill by hand ;)

  • @recoverthis602
    @recoverthis602 4 роки тому

    Almost makes me want to go back to a bridgeport... Just kidding 😁
    Good tip 👍

  • @swanvalleymachineshop
    @swanvalleymachineshop 4 роки тому

    Good tip . Was that a std drill or wide web . Cheers .

  • @ron827
    @ron827 4 роки тому

    I suspect the reason for the slow speed and heavy pressure might be the limited number of rotations of the cutting edge before it is dull. Let's say as an example, the cutting edge is good for 100 laps before it is dull. At 100 rpm, one could drill for a minute before the bit is dull. On the other hand, at 1000rpm, one could only drill for 0,1 minutes or 6 seconds before the bit is dull. I could be entirely wrong but it makes sense to me.

  • @EmmaRitson
    @EmmaRitson 4 роки тому +7

    watching yours first!!

    • @EmmaRitson
      @EmmaRitson 4 роки тому +1

      and.... I learnt stuff. thanks Stefan

  • @sucreglass
    @sucreglass 4 роки тому

    In any material, is there a real lower cutting speed limit as long as your tool is hard enough and your setup rigid enough?

  • @Militarycollector
    @Militarycollector 7 місяців тому

    👍👍