At last! Someone actually explains to us plebs how to set up suspension with MoTeC. I never knew the ideal curve or how to adjust it. I still need to learn about spring rates and anti roll bars. Thanks Nils! MoTeC could be such a useful tool for helping people go faster but there is very little about how to use it. It’s like you have to be in on the joke.
Hi Nils, Thank you very much for this great job ! Thanks to your video, in two hours I upgraded my suspensions and won almost two seconds on Spa (Porsche GT3 - 2:24.5 -> 2:22.8). not yet the lap of the year, but I'm sure I can still do better :-)
Thank you sir for cutting the salad and going directly to the main meal. By far the most on topic video (I’ve seen so far on UA-cam) regarding dumpers setting.
Hi nils. Thank you very much for these videos. I understood the histograms, but did not know which values were the target. I test on acc one hour, and only changing springs and dampers improve my pace. I test it on iracing this week, with the Ferrari gte in Watkins Glen, and improve my pace in 1.5 sec. Amazing. Please do more videos like this.
Hey Nils! Thanks for the video first of all, it was super helpful. My only question is how did you change the value of the suspension histogram at 4:14 so that it shows as more compact? Thanks in advanced.
I must be say thanks a second one. With you motec help i push my laptimes a lot ! Spa frome 2:18:1 to 2:17:0 Misano 1:34:4 to 1:33:6 other tracks same ~~ -1 Second. Amazing. BIg THX !
Great video once again Nils! I think there is a small little mistake when you were talking about the bump stops and their range. If the front bump stop range is high, the car pitches forward during braking or goes super low at the front during compression on top of the hill. But this generates more and more downforce at the front because front splitter is more near to the ground. The worst thing that can happen is that the airflow towards the rear diffusor stalls and you get very abrupt oversteer moment. Talking in rake angle, if you lower the bump stop range at the front and not changing the rear you will get even more negative rake. In your example the negative rake gets less because you set the rear bump stop range lower so the rear suspension can't travel that much anymore and you get less negative rake angle :-) the change in the rear seems like to outweight the change in the front :-) Maybe you meant that in the video, but understood the opposite at first when following your explanation :-) Greetings, Dom
There are so many "if - then" chains that depending on how you start the sentence have to be said differently that I don't claim 100% accuracy in wording :p the written word is mostly the best as there was more time to think about it. Thanks for phrasing it how it should be (:
@@SimracingPopometer all good mate. I was just wondering, pausing the video, going backwards, watching it again and then made my head around how it is in reality, but took me at least 10min to figure it out 🤣 so hats off to you, that you explain everything in like a Livestream situation 👌🏼 One question, did you figure out where the ride height in ACC in measured? Is it in the middle of the car and then the lowest point of the vehicle (front splitter, diffusor) ? Or is it measured at the suspension?
Hey Goelz. You mentioned airflow at the diffuser stalling. What does this have to do with the stuff you were talking about? When does the airflow stall? And why does it cause oversteer? I’ve just started playing ACC in the last 2 weeks, so I’m just trying to learn more and more about these GT3 cars and their complicated aerodynamics. Thanks in advance!
Very informative. When I first went to look at this I gave up, actually I gave up a couple of times. But glad I perservered great information, thanks a lot.
You get the feedback from the game you just cant read it in game. But i agree, having a motec systeem in the game would we awesome, but i dont think we will ever get it. First because it will be a whole lot of work and second it already works fine like this
@@PoTAsh-dk9kp I don't know that it's that much work. Telemetry apps work fast. I have been playing with this data though and have found that it's not super helpful. Makes the cars really really stiff, which you probably don't want at very bumpy tracks
@@future62 well kunos is not ea they cant do something like a new feature Friday or something. I much rather see them working on gt4 cars, more tracks and the ui than on something we already have and works (motec)
@@future62 true that is a good solution. But for me, i would rather see gt4 and more tracks in the game first. I dont really have a problem with using an external program for the telemetry if they but it in the game i think that would be great, but i dont mind if they dont put it in the game
So you say at 08:50 that the "rebound bar" is too high in the middle so you want to increase rebound - but a high rebound bar at the middle means most of movement is happening near 0 mm/sec range. Increasing damping would only make this "rebound bar" higher
Great video Nils, this has helped me a lot. You're right about needing to show it on track...sometimes the ideal "perfect" setup can feel a little worse than a good benchmark adjustment....and can be faster. Thank you, great content as always!.
I see a lot of value in the damper histogram and suspension obviously. Ride height or rather rake changes in certain situations during a lap, to look for balance issues. Evolution of pressures and temperatures throughout a stint. And then its really driver input and tire slip, just to see what you do wrong yourself rather than the car being wrong
Thank you very much Nils, I have a question. I just don't get this done so well with the ferrarie. so that I have a nice rising curve. 30:20 but I don't get a rising line.
Absolutely no expert on that car. Maybe check out my discord: discord.gg/XNhshwE there are some who dedicate their life to this car and certainly know more
absolutely. It's a false understanding of realism. They are giving us what they think the less financially affluent teams have available. But I hear a lot of real drivers complain about lack of data indeed
Hi Nils, thank you so much for the Motec help!! Could you Maybe make a Setup Guide Video top Show in which row you change the Parameters. So damper Setup First, aero, Antirollbar, pre load differential etc. That would be very useful. Cheers, Nic
@Nils Naujoks at 4:24 you changed something in the software to make the histogram look more peaky? Or did you load the laps from the new setup? I didn't understand this part.
He changed something in the software. I think what he changed was at 'Bin Values' 'Max' to 300 and 'Bin Width to 100. You can also use the MoTeC workspace that he created, if you follow his link in the video description, where it says 'My MoTeC workbook' :)
Hey, in all books i read so far about these topics it's explained actually exactly the other way around. If the bars are too high in some area, decrease the clicks/damping. If its too low, increase the damping/clicks. see: www.springer.com/de/book/9783658155476 pages 262 and 263 see also: drive.google.com/file/d/1Y4v_C4lnP3UDziZaUpBG3Asz8aGPQ1V_/view page 101-104 of this manual
Thanks for bringing this up! I think you are right. I had a flaw in my perception of the histogram. Indeed increasing the damping on either side will lead to more (in number) slower damper movements which would result in the bars closer to the middle becoming higher. I was mixing up the amount of samples with their speed to some degree. Let me use this for a 2nd video on this to try and make the graph look even better.
Awesome video! I just started learning Motec, and following the video, I used the same Bin Values. What I instantly noticed, working on the Bentley in Suzuka, is that the top values were way higher, around 17%, I couldn't get it below 16% no matter how soft I went . I got a very good setup from someone, in that, top values are 20% front and 14% rear. I just can't get my head around this, seeing you tried to go to 12% in the example. Maybes setting are off in my view?
dont be too focused on getting all these values exactly as I was saying here. there's way more room in this and also the shape doesnt have to be perfect. All it does is giving you a rough estimation and it should be treated like that. There are no huge gains in this, just fine tuning
Question to the Rake Angle: So can you say the optimum Aero "Grip" is, when the rake angle tends to 0? If it is on the straight/highspeed corner at 3 so you can say it didnt reach the optimum rake angle of 0 where the aero performance should be the best? If it is negative, you can say the aero tends to understeer and above zero to oversteer?
no, it works different. rake ( =difference between front and rear ride height) generally adds downforce to the front. for some cars it also adds more downforce to the rear. for some cars rear ride height in general gains downforce on the rear, for some it loses downforce. the overall effect on balance and total downforce then differs per car, so you will have cars that prefer low and cars that prefer high rake
Signed up for some RL team already as engineer? Great video, mate! You really deserve more viewers! NOTE: Looking at the lap, you could have been more faster, especially in "the chase" section, imo. Cheers.
THANK YOU for this. I swear I've been driving around Monza for the past three days trying to figure this out. Honestly didn't know that springs played a role in this. IM NEW TO moTec THANKS.
I dont know man. I just cant get that middle one raised to 12 highest I can go is 8. (Hungary/Audi). But ive set the bumbstoprate und wheel rate to the max und the bumpstoprange to the lowest, just like you told us. Also I realy cant figure out when I have to raise which one to get what result. It doesnt really get that clear in the video I find. Anyways good video mate, keep it up
Hey! It just is A LOT more complex than this.The audi is a different car with different engine placement, with different dampers and different gaps between the individual clicks. We don't know how hard the "0" setting on the damper is on the Audi compared to the Mercedes. The relationship between changes on the rear and the front is important, too. If you raise the rear rebound damping, the bump related bars on the front will also be affected. Clicks on the dampers are not necessarily linear. You will have to really work out how that car responds to which changes. It is not trivial sadly and not easy to figure out. There are not much videos because there is hardly any generalization possible. If you want to get it right, you will need to go deep, there's no easy way out. We have a few guides posted on my discord. Additionally 12% is not the holy grail, it does not work on all tracks, it is a rough reference what to aim for.
Do you have a rule of thumb you can suggest regarding dampers when it comes to us console users. Would you always set the fast bump & rebound softer than bump & rebound. Would you always use softer rebound to bump??? Or visa versa or would you recommend running equal bump/rebound. On console we don’t have the luxury of data analysis tools.
at 7 min, that is not true. harder springs create higher damper velocities. its a misconception people think harder springs will generate more grip. its the other way around. so if ur histograms are to flat u have to decrease the spring rate. or more high speed damping. most important thing is, to keep them symmetrically. they should be normalized distributed (gaus'sche bell curve) to statistically have the most grip. which doesnt mean if they look pretty u have a ton of grip. for example daytona or lemans create good looking damper histos because most of the time u drive in a straight line where the dampers arnt moving very much. anyway. good content, good video. keep it up.
Very informative video though being new to Motec I've a question. How do you set up rake, rake angle and ride height channels since these seem not to be available right away? Do you create them manually as some sort of function from available parameters? In other words, can I find anywhere how to set up these channels?
Great video as it makes it a bit easier to know what you are doing and why you are doing it and just what it all means. Any plans on that second video yet Nils? I need more :P And I'm also curious if you ever look at the suspension travel.
for the new video about suspensions in Motec, would be possible to add the bump stops channels? tried to experiment myself based on math posted in the forum, but syntax is not correct and I have less than zero knowledge to do a better job myself (just started in using the sw and definitely a steep learning curve!).
Hi Nils, I try to follow your recommendations for an useable setup for 991II GT3 R / Brands Hatch. Also with a complete crazy adjustment (lowest springrate and 17/0/17/0 on the rear dampers) I´m not able to bring the dampers above 9% wit a terrible curve along the rebound/bump. Also several adjustemnts with spoilers and bumpstop were not helpful... Any idea what can be wrong?
Your engine is in the back :) It just is A LOT more complex than this.The Porsche is a different car with different engine placement, with different dampers and different gaps between the individual clicks. We don't know how hard the "0" setting on the damper is on the Porsche compared to the Mercedes. The relationship between changes on the rear and the front is important, too. If you raise the rear rebound damping, the bump related bars on the front will also be affected. Clicks on the dampers are not necessarily linear. You will have to really work out how that car responds to which changes. It is not trivial sadly and not easy to figure out. There are not much videos because there is hardly any generalization possible. If you want to get it right, you will need to go deep, there's no easy way out. We have a few guides posted on my discord. Additionally 12% is not the holy grail, it does not work on all tracks, it is a rough reference what to aim for.
So if I get this straight, if you increase the dampening of the rebound for example, the bar in MoTeC lowers? Also, what how does the fast bump and rebound affect the curve? I might have missed that. Thanks alot for the video!
in fact its the opposite :D lets just call this video old. you have to think in terms of time for the dampers. the harder the damper, the longer it needs to compress/extend, the more measurements in that area will be made, the higher the bar.
What is the change you made in 4:24 to display data in a different layout? What properties setup is? The screen changes instantly and don´t know how. Thanks!
I can't remember, probably adjusted low speed and high speed boundary? or some filter also possible. don't worry too much about it, adjusting dampers by feel is perfectly fine
it didnt record the pop up windows: I adjusted the bin width to 10 instead of 5 I believe. its right click, preferences and there you should already see it
Man this is great stuff. I wonder still how you get the front so " pointy " . When i want to steer in a corner, i have to count to three , than it will turn in .But anyway i love the Merc. Great Video. Greetings from Germany.
I also posted the following on the video about the generall tutorial about Motec, but maybe here are more people who can help me. I've a little problem with the suspension histogram. If I select the data of the "damper vel" nothing is shown in the histogram. In the Channels there is also an other icon next to the "damper vel" and I don't known what it means. But I think this shows that the data is not a graph like the other data's, but something different. Is there anyone who knows the problem, or who can help me?
Thnx for the perfect explanation, I learned a lot! But should your grey scale range for the slow bump not be 50 left and right adjusted=100 ? ( on your scale is 40 both=80!) On the perfect white Pic that you posted as a perfect curve is 50 both =100. That mean that you never would reach the 6-7 percent left and right near the grey field with the fast bumps. You have only 4-5 pertcent there on your graph on your 40 L-R range.
Hi Nils. First off thank you soo much for doing this. Definitely novice. I still have to learn how to know what to change and how much to change it. Still I learned soo much. I have one questions. My bin width is 5 and value 100 and I am still getting a view similar to the one you have there. I find this strange because i did the default aggressive and still it did not look like yours. Is there something i need to change. Or does anyone know. Thank you again for this video
People keep telling me you ideally want to be between the 10-12% range, but its very difficult to get the middle very pronounced with this, it starts to square off, but I can get my dampers looking perfect in terms of the graph if its a little higher. I can see with the changes you made, you go between the 12-14%.
The histogram is more of a orientation to show you if something is really off. Depends on track and car specifics and sometimes you just cant get it into the prototype shape.
Very good explaination. Just one thing I don't understand. What do you need to change to increase the middle of the histogram? I have a car which I can't go much lower on bump and rebound settings.
Thank you, it was very helpful for a beiginner like me! One question: I don't have a "rake" channel as you do in the video. Do you guys know what is the reason? Thanks!
you have to build it your own and do the calculations. or you download a workbook from discord that has those already. ACC does not provide them directly
Hey Nils, hey everybody, I am a little confused actually, the core is already known and you explained it quite brilliantly but I still fail to understand how to setup MOTEC exactly, the graph you shown was setting up the "slow bump and rebound" under 100 mm/s but on MOTEC you set it up at a much lower value, so what should we use exactly ? Is the goal only to get the same shape, not to reach 12% exactly ? I'm asking this because I've read a ton of articles and seen a lot of video and almost nobody deals with those parameters, if we change values the shape changes and the results as well, so....here is my problem.
I know that this is a very old video and a lot of things might be different now, but there's something that i literally do not understand about the dumper histogram...how am i supposed to achieve "x" result if by simply changing the bin width all the values change? Let's say for example that i want to reach the 12% with the bin in the middle, using a width of 5 the histogram might show that i reached the 8%, but using a width of 10 it might show that i already reached 14%...so what value should i actually consider to be the right one? 😅
Thank you kindly for the very informative video. One question what bin width and max settings should I use in histogram properties to achieve a similar curve? I find if I make the Bin width small like say 1 then I get a spike at a lower percentage and when I put it 10 I get a spike at 20%. Are we suppose to keep it around 12% as optimal graph showed? Or am I missing something here? Thanks again Nils for your efforts
the histogram is at best an indication. it varies per track how the histogram will look with the exact same settings, which also means, you cant always reach the same percentages for example. you're looking for a rough bell curve. the shape is not affected by the bin width in the sense that the key information wont change. you just have to think what the histrogram actually does. it simply collects all measurements of damper speeds and puts them into boxes. a box is 10 or 20 or whatever number you want wide.
you have to create a rake channel yourself and you also have to maintain the ride height data as the output from ACC is not directly usable. there are workbooks on my discord that have that. or go check out racingsimtools where things are a bit easier
I know this is old video, but does bump rate, bump range, annd preload differential impact the bell curve. Right now I have wheel rate maxed on front and rear. Front is good, but Rear tires are very flat on what should be a bell curve.
I got a question there is a point I always stumble upon: the histogram and ideal damper curve. With the Honda EVO I cant get the rear slighly near what you show us. Is the Data the Honda delivers buged? Its a very wide but flat curve, nothing I do can change that, the front axle is pronounced and looks very much like the things you show. The rear is kind of different. I made the springs max stiff. I did them super soft, i eleminated all dampersetting, I put all on max I did crazy stuff in between, the histogram doesnt change that much. would be very apreciated to get some inside.
with the engine in the back there's a lot more mass that's moving around in the rear axle and that usually comes with the rear also moving more and longer until things settle. hence the also get less "no movement" data in the histogram and eventually it looks flatter
@@SimracingPopometer thank you for sharing your knowledge, so for the Honda I can only work on the front axle with what you shown us with motec and the damper histogram. Is there a way (for us not so blessed) drivers to get a idea if damper and spring settings are OK? It's hard to understand when you see the difference in damper setup aka standard aggressiv versus commercial setups as CDA... Is there another way via Motec to judge dampers?
This is a great video. Now, I can't figure out how to see the rake graph. Would you be kind to share your workbook with us? I would much appreciate that. I can't seem to find much relevant information. Your stuff and coaching are great. Thank you very much.
It is excellent, now just wondering why the track maps look simplified as a circle? Is there a benefit of viewing laps like that? It's quite confusing for me, I'd prefer to see it as a real map. Any way to revert it? Thank you
OK, fixed it. Maybe it will help others. When I had your track maps it showed them as a circle (not like a real map, weird). So I have deleted yours and imported ones from my previous ACC workspace. And it worked. Sorry for spamming your UA-cam channel with comments :)
:) Motec sometimes just uses a wrong reference lap, that is just 1 minute long and then cant draw a proper track. all you have to do is redraw the track map using a proper lap and the right glat channel
@@SimracingPopometer Could you please specify how to do it? Maybe an idea for the next UA-cam video, I am sure many people will be searching and asking the same question. Thanks again and looking forward to seeing more MoTec useful videos and track/technique how-to videos.
Hi, thank you for your video. I have try install your workbook, but i can't see the values. Maybe we need your maths. can you kindly share it?...thank you so much...
Hi Nils, I've been trying this with a Porsche at Brands Hatch and have found that the reverse problem is occurring. If I firm up the suspension, as you recommend, I'm getting even less out of the bump/rebound than what I had before. If anything the curve is even flatter and I can't get above 7%. The car has become very skittish and more tail heavy. There's also a bump in the curve on the bump side of the rear suspension that I can't get rid of. It's almost impossible to catch it if it oversteers. I just did what you recommended and added a couple of clicks to the spring rates and worked the bump/rebound as described. Not sure what is going on here. It made total sense in the video. Any help appreciated.
it's just way more complex than what the video shows. you are likely already overdamped is the curve flattens. try going softer with the dampers. also there is a dependency between settings on one end of the car to the other. that means the graphs on the front can change with damper changes on the rear. plus the Porsche is a different car with different dampers and maybe different steps between the settings. and also with the engine in the rear it's also just totally different to the Mercedes
Nils Naujoks Thanks Nils. I knew the setup would have to be different but all I’m trying to get is the right curve, as per your example. Whether it will be easier to drive or not I won’t know until I get it right but it should be faster, right? The issue as I see is that properly set suspension will get more out of the tyres, won’t it? It shouldn’t matter if it’s front or rear engine. Right now I’m dealing with a high level of pendulum effect at the back of the car that was less obvious with the original stock setup. It might have even weight distribution but with the concentration at the rear, once it lets go, it’s all over. Anyhow, I’ll try softening the dampers, as you say. By the way, what key command did you use to change the number of columns at 4:23 ?
its not a key command, its the "bin width" in the preferences. For these kind of discussions just join the discord, there are smarter people than myself :)
Okay this is a real eye opener. Did not think the aero really matters as much. But now my question is on tracks like PR where it is a lot flatter is it better to keep a medium stiff suspension to allow the car some roll or do you just stick with a hard one and then run the possibility of the car washing out in fast turns
@@SimracingPopometer Mind doing a setup with a analysis of PR and the merc? Quite keen to see what you do there as i just cant get the car to handle the way i want to
you gotta create those channels yourself... or use my workbook, its shared on the discord, and the ride height channels are in there after calibrating them. its a bit odd, but at least we get an idea that way
Hey! Sorry that OBS didnt record that extra window... just go right click: properties and then change the bin width and you will see how the graph changes.
Your videos are amazing, thank you. Is there a way to adjust brake pressure in ACC? Because I've only found the option to adjust brake gamma, but that ist mit really what i am looking for. I want to be able to run less ABS without locking up when stomping on the brakes at high speeds
should work with ABS 1 really. Dont give away braking performance. On high speeds you can even press the brakes fully without ABS. Dont reduce pressure :) (It would be in the setup of the car if you really want to throw away laptime)
@@SimracingPopometer OK, thanks. By the way, your videos really help me a lot. Was able to cut off 0.7 seconds just after taking a look into your motec data of Nürburgring and am now standing at 1.55,8 with a potential of getting into the 1.54s. Im am only owning a wheel for 2 weeks and have a long way to go still ^^
Thx man i will wait for that... I am joining a competition and thats the car I have choosen. Because people are always using the same cars. Maybe with some of your advices and knowledge i can have a chance. Thanks so much one more time
Hi! Very informative video! How did you get access to ride height channels? I knew they were hidden from the game. Are they math functions of suspension travels?
They are math functions indeed. And you need to manually enter the ride height from the setup each time you make a change. So if ride height in the setup is 55, you want to calculate 55 - SUS Travel. Also, you will have to add the static compression of the springs and add those, to get proper values, you can read them in motec when you simply park the car. Then the math function reads: 55 - SUS travel FL + 21.59 (or whatever the latter value reads when car is stationary for that corner of the car)
@@SimracingPopometer thanks for the response. It might sound like a stupid question but how do you know that the suspension travel is vertical (so that you can linearly subtract it from the static RH)?
you can actually see what the cars have. just go to the free cam mode and fly into the suspension. the mercedes has pretty straight springs (or what looks like springs) while the mclaren, audi or ferrari have angled ones - up to 30-40° or so. *sigh* even more to consider ;)
Thanks for the videos on Motec :) only took a few minutes of playing with this to get faster and more stable. one question though , how did you get the rake page like that? I don't have most of those channels available.
you need to create it. ACC only gives you suspension position. from there you need to add calculations in your own channels to motec in order to get something like ride height. But you can also just come to the discord and download the workbook
Hey Nils, Thanks for all the tutorials and explanation. I am new to simracing and it helps alot. One thing I've been wondering, I can't find rake angle in Motec software. Do you know if Kunos removed that from telemetry data, or maybe it's under different name now? Greetings!
Hey🙂 ich hab mir jetzt schon mehrere dämpfer videos angeschaut und jeder hat eine andere methode. Ich hab gestern für SRO deine ausprobiert und hab festgestellt , dass wenn ich druckstufe und zugstufe höher einstelle, werden die balken links und rechts neben dem zentrum immer höher. Kannst du mir da bitte helfen? Danke😊
Ja, man muss sich das alles mal vor Augen führen. Das Histogram ist eine Statistik, es werden alle Dämpferbewegungen gezählt und kategorisiert. Alle 5 millisekunden wird einmal festgestellt in welcher Bewegung sich der Dämpfer befindet. Also ob er gerade im Bereich der Zugstufe oder der Druckstufe unterwegs ist und wie schnell die Bewegung dabei ist. Wenn du die Dämpfer jetzt härter machst, dann braucht die Flüssigkeit (oder Gas) im Dämpfer länger um von einer Kammer in die andere zu kommen (ganz grobes Konzept). D.h. halt auch, dass wenn es länger dauert, dass mehr Messungen in diesem Bereich notiert werden und darum werden dann eben auch die Balken größer.
At last! Someone actually explains to us plebs how to set up suspension with MoTeC. I never knew the ideal curve or how to adjust it. I still need to learn about spring rates and anti roll bars. Thanks Nils! MoTeC could be such a useful tool for helping people go faster but there is very little about how to use it. It’s like you have to be in on the joke.
This is probably the most interesting video I've seen on youtube regarding setups and motec. Thanks a ton dude!
I watch this at least once a week and i still learn something new every time. Amazing.
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Hi Nils,
Thank you very much for this great job !
Thanks to your video, in two hours I upgraded my suspensions and won almost two seconds on Spa (Porsche GT3 - 2:24.5 -> 2:22.8).
not yet the lap of the year, but I'm sure I can still do better :-)
Thank you sir for cutting the salad and going directly to the main meal. By far the most on topic video (I’ve seen so far on UA-cam) regarding dumpers setting.
Hi nils. Thank you very much for these videos. I understood the histograms, but did not know which values were the target. I test on acc one hour, and only changing springs and dampers improve my pace. I test it on iracing this week, with the Ferrari gte in Watkins Glen, and improve my pace in 1.5 sec. Amazing. Please do more videos like this.
You are doing a great service to the community. A big thank you for sharing the hard work.
THESE are the BEST videos in all of ACC imo ! PLEASE keep these coming @popmeter REALLY APPRECIATE them
Amazing work.... So hard to find a nice explaination on how to setup suspension/dampers using motec and not only explaining what it is.
Hey Nils! Thanks for the video first of all, it was super helpful. My only question is how did you change the value of the suspension histogram at 4:14 so that it shows as more compact?
Thanks in advanced.
right click -> preferences -> change bin width to 10 (from 5)
@@SimracingPopometer you're the man
I must be say thanks a second one. With you motec help i push my laptimes a lot ! Spa frome 2:18:1 to 2:17:0 Misano 1:34:4 to 1:33:6 other tracks same ~~ -1 Second. Amazing. BIg THX !
Great video once again Nils!
I think there is a small little mistake when you were talking about the bump stops and their range. If the front bump stop range is high, the car pitches forward during braking or goes super low at the front during compression on top of the hill. But this generates more and more downforce at the front because front splitter is more near to the ground. The worst thing that can happen is that the airflow towards the rear diffusor stalls and you get very abrupt oversteer moment. Talking in rake angle, if you lower the bump stop range at the front and not changing the rear you will get even more negative rake.
In your example the negative rake gets less because you set the rear bump stop range lower so the rear suspension can't travel that much anymore and you get less negative rake angle :-) the change in the rear seems like to outweight the change in the front :-)
Maybe you meant that in the video, but understood the opposite at first when following your explanation :-)
Greetings,
Dom
There are so many "if - then" chains that depending on how you start the sentence have to be said differently that I don't claim 100% accuracy in wording :p the written word is mostly the best as there was more time to think about it. Thanks for phrasing it how it should be (:
@@SimracingPopometer all good mate. I was just wondering, pausing the video, going backwards, watching it again and then made my head around how it is in reality, but took me at least 10min to figure it out 🤣 so hats off to you, that you explain everything in like a Livestream situation 👌🏼
One question, did you figure out where the ride height in ACC in measured? Is it in the middle of the car and then the lowest point of the vehicle (front splitter, diffusor) ? Or is it measured at the suspension?
Hey Goelz. You mentioned airflow at the diffuser stalling. What does this have to do with the stuff you were talking about? When does the airflow stall? And why does it cause oversteer? I’ve just started playing ACC in the last 2 weeks, so I’m just trying to learn more and more about these GT3 cars and their complicated aerodynamics. Thanks in advance!
Very informative. When I first went to look at this I gave up, actually I gave up a couple of times. But glad I perservered great information, thanks a lot.
1:58 dude! I've been just trying to break 2:05 at Bathurst consistently. Great video and thank you.
im stuck at 2:02s
Great video! 👍
This will be so handy making setups.
Love the rake graph thing too!
we have a better tool now ourselves :D popometer.io
You should add the setup to the video description so we can download it and try out ourselves. Amazing video! You earned my sub.
That's what I did, you just need to click on the link ;)
@@SimracingPopometer Ahh I see it now. Excuse my ignorance! Thank you for your reply!
This is amazing... wish we could get this kind of feedback in game.
You get the feedback from the game you just cant read it in game. But i agree, having a motec systeem in the game would we awesome, but i dont think we will ever get it. First because it will be a whole lot of work and second it already works fine like this
@@PoTAsh-dk9kp I don't know that it's that much work. Telemetry apps work fast. I have been playing with this data though and have found that it's not super helpful. Makes the cars really really stiff, which you probably don't want at very bumpy tracks
@@future62 well kunos is not ea they cant do something like a new feature Friday or something. I much rather see them working on gt4 cars, more tracks and the ui than on something we already have and works (motec)
@@PoTAsh-dk9kp I don't think it has to be either or. They could partner with MoTeC for example.
@@future62 true that is a good solution. But for me, i would rather see gt4 and more tracks in the game first. I dont really have a problem with using an external program for the telemetry if they but it in the game i think that would be great, but i dont mind if they dont put it in the game
So you say at 08:50 that the "rebound bar" is too high in the middle so you want to increase rebound - but a high rebound bar at the middle means most of movement is happening near 0 mm/sec range. Increasing damping would only make this "rebound bar" higher
If you're into those discussions join the discord - there are plenty of people discussing those
This is by far one of the best acc channels on yt. Thank you for your hard work and sharing all this knowledge with the community Nils.
Just wow , you are the perfect Teacher for me.
1st motec and 2nd to increase my Englisch settings 🤣
Great video Nils, this has helped me a lot. You're right about needing to show it on track...sometimes the ideal "perfect" setup can feel a little worse than a good benchmark adjustment....and can be faster. Thank you, great content as always!.
great one! best tutorial/explanation for acc setup i've seen up to now
Great video, well explained and easy to understand cause-effect. thanks
Im diving in deep here Pops, into MoTeC - My question: In regards to specifically ACC, where and what should we be paying attention to, in MoTec ?
I see a lot of value in the damper histogram and suspension obviously. Ride height or rather rake changes in certain situations during a lap, to look for balance issues. Evolution of pressures and temperatures throughout a stint. And then its really driver input and tire slip, just to see what you do wrong yourself rather than the car being wrong
Awesome video! Thanks a lot for the simple and easy to understading explanation. Keep it going, love it!
Really well explained, many thanks! Subbed.
The amount of effort put into this is inspiring, great job!
Thank you very much Nils, I have a question. I just don't get this done so well with the ferrarie. so that I have a nice rising curve. 30:20 but I don't get a rising line.
Absolutely no expert on that car. Maybe check out my discord: discord.gg/XNhshwE there are some who dedicate their life to this car and certainly know more
Very nice, thanks Nils 👌
Amazing job Man... Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us
Would have been better if they give us the possibility to log over 250hz. In real life we log at 500hz. Thanks for the video, well done!
absolutely. It's a false understanding of realism. They are giving us what they think the less financially affluent teams have available. But I hear a lot of real drivers complain about lack of data indeed
Hi Nils,
thank you so much for the Motec help!! Could you Maybe make a Setup Guide Video top Show in which row you change the Parameters. So damper Setup First, aero, Antirollbar, pre load differential etc. That would be very useful. Cheers, Nic
This is very challenging to do :) But I'll keep it in mind
Very good explanation... i wish i had the time to do a decent setup... but i hardly have the time to do quali before a race LOL 👍
@Nils Naujoks at 4:24 you changed something in the software to make the histogram look more peaky? Or did you load the laps from the new setup? I didn't understand this part.
He changed something in the software. I think what he changed was at 'Bin Values' 'Max' to 300 and 'Bin Width to 100. You can also use the MoTeC workspace that he created, if you follow his link in the video description, where it says 'My MoTeC workbook' :)
thanks for helping out :)
@@SimracingPopometer It looked like you used a shortcut when you did this, what was it?
Thank you so much for posting this as its the best explanation I've seen so far. Thank you 👍👍👍👍👍🚗💨
Just what I was looking for thanks
love your explenations. Keep up the great Content.
Hey, in all books i read so far about these topics it's explained actually exactly the other way around. If the bars are too high in some area, decrease the clicks/damping. If its too low, increase the damping/clicks.
see: www.springer.com/de/book/9783658155476 pages 262 and 263
see also: drive.google.com/file/d/1Y4v_C4lnP3UDziZaUpBG3Asz8aGPQ1V_/view page 101-104 of this manual
Thanks for bringing this up!
I think you are right. I had a flaw in my perception of the histogram.
Indeed increasing the damping on either side will lead to more (in number) slower damper movements which would result in the bars closer to the middle becoming higher.
I was mixing up the amount of samples with their speed to some degree.
Let me use this for a 2nd video on this to try and make the graph look even better.
@@SimracingPopometer cool, looking forward to your next video :-)
You are correct :-)
Awesome video! I just started learning Motec, and following the video, I used the same Bin Values. What I instantly noticed, working on the Bentley in Suzuka, is that the top values were way higher, around 17%, I couldn't get it below 16% no matter how soft I went . I got a very good setup from someone, in that, top values are 20% front and 14% rear. I just can't get my head around this, seeing you tried to go to 12% in the example. Maybes setting are off in my view?
dont be too focused on getting all these values exactly as I was saying here. there's way more room in this and also the shape doesnt have to be perfect. All it does is giving you a rough estimation and it should be treated like that. There are no huge gains in this, just fine tuning
@@SimracingPopometer thank you so much!
this is absolute golden thank yoouuu
Just stumbled on this, great information, very useful. Just wondering how to get the rake angle as it's not one of the default channels. ??
Thanks for these videos, very helpful
Great stuff! Thank you👍🏻
Question to the Rake Angle:
So can you say the optimum Aero "Grip" is, when the rake angle tends to 0? If it is on the straight/highspeed corner at 3 so you can say it didnt reach the optimum rake angle of 0 where the aero performance should be the best? If it is negative, you can say the aero tends to understeer and above zero to oversteer?
no, it works different.
rake ( =difference between front and rear ride height) generally adds downforce to the front. for some cars it also adds more downforce to the rear. for some cars rear ride height in general gains downforce on the rear, for some it loses downforce. the overall effect on balance and total downforce then differs per car, so you will have cars that prefer low and cars that prefer high rake
Signed up for some RL team already as engineer? Great video, mate! You really deserve more viewers!
NOTE: Looking at the lap, you could have been more faster, especially in "the chase" section, imo. Cheers.
Cheers! And yes, there is more time. At least half a second in driving alone I'd say.
this video changed my racing life. thanks!
:D i hope for the better
@@SimracingPopometer it did ma man.my dampers were way off.much improved handling and some faster laps ;)
THANK YOU for this. I swear I've been driving around Monza for the past three days trying to figure this out. Honestly didn't know that springs played a role in this. IM NEW TO moTec
THANKS.
I dont know man. I just cant get that middle one raised to 12 highest I can go is 8. (Hungary/Audi). But ive set the bumbstoprate und wheel rate to the max und the bumpstoprange to the lowest, just like you told us. Also I realy cant figure out when I have to raise which one to get what result. It doesnt really get that clear in the video I find. Anyways good video mate, keep it up
Hey! It just is A LOT more complex than this.The audi is a different car with different engine placement, with different dampers and different gaps between the individual clicks. We don't know how hard the "0" setting on the damper is on the Audi compared to the Mercedes. The relationship between changes on the rear and the front is important, too. If you raise the rear rebound damping, the bump related bars on the front will also be affected. Clicks on the dampers are not necessarily linear. You will have to really work out how that car responds to which changes. It is not trivial sadly and not easy to figure out. There are not much videos because there is hardly any generalization possible. If you want to get it right, you will need to go deep, there's no easy way out. We have a few guides posted on my discord.
Additionally 12% is not the holy grail, it does not work on all tracks, it is a rough reference what to aim for.
Do you have a rule of thumb you can suggest regarding dampers when it comes to us console users.
Would you always set the fast bump & rebound softer than bump & rebound.
Would you always use softer rebound to bump??? Or visa versa or would you recommend running equal bump/rebound.
On console we don’t have the luxury of data analysis tools.
these values do not relate to actual forces. it depends on each car what a click actually means - there are no rules of thumb
@@SimracingPopometer I guess you can’t truly setup the dampers then without Motec or some sort of in game telemetry? It’s impossible
@@jaysysumakaRatMaster3 to some degree it works without. but you'd have to analyse the cars behavior quite on point while driving
Can anyone explain where the "rake angle" channel is coming from ?
its calculated from changes in suspension travel, visit the discord for more explanations
at 7 min, that is not true. harder springs create higher damper velocities. its a misconception people think harder springs will generate more grip. its the other way around. so if ur histograms are to flat u have to decrease the spring rate. or more high speed damping. most important thing is, to keep them symmetrically. they should be normalized distributed (gaus'sche bell curve) to statistically have the most grip. which doesnt mean if they look pretty u have a ton of grip. for example daytona or lemans create good looking damper histos because most of the time u drive in a straight line where the dampers arnt moving very much. anyway. good content, good video. keep it up.
all that is correct. i just cant change the things said in a video once I got my mind straight :D
How do you change coordinates of the graphs at 4:20?
Very informative video though being new to Motec I've a question. How do you set up rake, rake angle and ride height channels since these seem not to be available right away? Do you create them manually as some sort of function from available parameters? In other words, can I find anywhere how to set up these channels?
easier if you join discord: discord.gg/ZbpsKgv
Great video as it makes it a bit easier to know what you are doing and why you are doing it and just what it all means.
Any plans on that second video yet Nils? I need more :P
And I'm also curious if you ever look at the suspension travel.
I'm checking more if/when the bumpstops are being triggered.
I hope I have more time once SRO Esports is over.
for the new video about suspensions in Motec, would be possible to add the bump stops channels? tried to experiment myself based on math posted in the forum, but syntax is not correct and I have less than zero knowledge to do a better job myself (just started in using the sw and definitely a steep learning curve!).
Hi Nils, I try to follow your recommendations for an useable setup for 991II GT3 R / Brands Hatch. Also with a complete crazy adjustment (lowest springrate and 17/0/17/0 on the rear dampers) I´m not able to bring the dampers above 9% wit a terrible curve along the rebound/bump. Also several adjustemnts with spoilers and bumpstop were not helpful... Any idea what can be wrong?
Your engine is in the back :)
It just is A LOT more complex than this.The Porsche is a different car with different engine placement, with different dampers and different gaps between the individual clicks. We don't know how hard the "0" setting on the damper is on the Porsche compared to the Mercedes. The relationship between changes on the rear and the front is important, too. If you raise the rear rebound damping, the bump related bars on the front will also be affected. Clicks on the dampers are not necessarily linear. You will have to really work out how that car responds to which changes. It is not trivial sadly and not easy to figure out. There are not much videos because there is hardly any generalization possible. If you want to get it right, you will need to go deep, there's no easy way out. We have a few guides posted on my discord.
Additionally 12% is not the holy grail, it does not work on all tracks, it is a rough reference what to aim for.
Hello Nils, thank you for this video, it is very helpful but i have a question, how to add that Rake worksheet? It doesnt show in my motec :/
have to calcuate it or download my workbook from discord
So if I get this straight, if you increase the dampening of the rebound for example, the bar in MoTeC lowers?
Also, what how does the fast bump and rebound affect the curve? I might have missed that.
Thanks alot for the video!
in fact its the opposite :D lets just call this video old.
you have to think in terms of time for the dampers. the harder the damper, the longer it needs to compress/extend, the more measurements in that area will be made, the higher the bar.
What is the change you made in 4:24 to display data in a different layout? What properties setup is? The screen changes instantly and don´t know how. Thanks!
I can't remember, probably adjusted low speed and high speed boundary? or some filter also possible. don't worry too much about it, adjusting dampers by feel is perfectly fine
Thanks for your answer Nils ;)@@SimracingPopometer
sehr gut, danke dir !
Hi, at 4.15 you adjusted 2 things but I can't quite make out what you did. Could you make it clearer for me please?
it didnt record the pop up windows: I adjusted the bin width to 10 instead of 5 I believe. its right click, preferences and there you should already see it
Hey Nils - maybe I missed it, but are you tuning this out because it will always make the car better or are you tuning it to where it "feels" better?
Man this is great stuff.
I wonder still how you get the front so " pointy " .
When i want to steer in a corner, i have to count to three , than it will turn in .But anyway i love the Merc.
Great Video.
Greetings from Germany.
I also posted the following on the video about the generall tutorial about Motec, but maybe here are more people who can help me.
I've a little problem with the suspension histogram. If I select the data of the "damper vel" nothing is shown in the histogram.
In the Channels there is also an other icon next to the "damper vel" and I don't known what it means. But I think this shows that the data is not a graph like the other data's, but something different.
Is there anyone who knows the problem, or who can help me?
Great stuff mate! Keep it up!
Thnx for the perfect explanation, I learned a lot! But should your grey scale range for the slow bump not be 50 left and right adjusted=100 ? ( on your scale is 40 both=80!) On the perfect white Pic that you posted as a perfect curve is 50 both =100. That mean that you never would reach the 6-7 percent left and right near the grey field with the fast bumps. You have only 4-5 pertcent there on your graph on your 40 L-R range.
join the discord, mate! people there are figuring this stuff out
Nice Video... Keep Posting!!!
Hi Nils. First off thank you soo much for doing this. Definitely novice. I still have to learn how to know what to change and how much to change it. Still I learned soo much. I have one questions. My bin width is 5 and value 100 and I am still getting a view similar to the one you have there. I find this strange because i did the default aggressive and still it did not look like yours. Is there something i need to change. Or does anyone know. Thank you again for this video
hey, its hard to tell from distance, but you could simply get a workbook from my discord, there are several available
@Nils Naujoks Simracing Popometer thats actually what I did and it fixed it! Thank you once again Nils
What did you change that the curve looks more like a bellcurve (at 4:50)?
probably the bin worth from 10 to 20 or so
People keep telling me you ideally want to be between the 10-12% range, but its very difficult to get the middle very pronounced with this, it starts to square off, but I can get my dampers looking perfect in terms of the graph if its a little higher. I can see with the changes you made, you go between the 12-14%.
The histogram is more of a orientation to show you if something is really off. Depends on track and car specifics and sometimes you just cant get it into the prototype shape.
at the 4:28 mark - How did you narrow the histogram down so it looked like the graph you where referring to?
right click preferences, change the bin width!
When i try to change the bins like you did and set set bin width in properties to 10 or 5 all my bins dissapear, what am i missing here ? 😅
4:25 how can i do it? like zoom the graphics
sorry that didnt record. Right click, preferences, change bin width to idk 5 or 10, just play around with it
Very good explaination. Just one thing I don't understand. What do you need to change to increase the middle of the histogram? I have a car which I can't go much lower on bump and rebound settings.
spring rate could bring the middle up, also if you hit the bump stop a lot
@@SimracingPopometer then i think iracing is broken :D If i increase spring rate... everything goes up.
lets not talk about iracing ;)
@@SimracingPopometer It must be really broken then haha ;)
Thank you, it was very helpful for a beiginner like me! One question: I don't have a "rake" channel as you do in the video. Do you guys know what is the reason? Thanks!
you have to build it your own and do the calculations. or you download a workbook from discord that has those already. ACC does not provide them directly
@@SimracingPopometer Thank you!
Hey Nils, hey everybody,
I am a little confused actually, the core is already known and you explained it quite brilliantly but I still fail to understand how to setup MOTEC exactly, the graph you shown was setting up the "slow bump and rebound" under 100 mm/s but on MOTEC you set it up at a much lower value, so what should we use exactly ? Is the goal only to get the same shape, not to reach 12% exactly ?
I'm asking this because I've read a ton of articles and seen a lot of video and almost nobody deals with those parameters, if we change values the shape changes and the results as well, so....here is my problem.
Honestly, this is outside of my knowledge sphere. You're best off asking the nerds on my discord! discord.gg/WtbYbgy
I know that this is a very old video and a lot of things might be different now, but there's something that i literally do not understand about the dumper histogram...how am i supposed to achieve "x" result if by simply changing the bin width all the values change? Let's say for example that i want to reach the 12% with the bin in the middle, using a width of 5 the histogram might show that i reached the 8%, but using a width of 10 it might show that i already reached 14%...so what value should i actually consider to be the right one? 😅
Making a setup is a endless rappit hole :D
I for myself do more setup than racing in the end ^.^
Its true. Once you figured the driving part out finding the last tenths takes exponentially more effort
Thank you kindly for the very informative video. One question what bin width and max settings should I use in histogram properties to achieve a similar curve? I find if I make the Bin width small like say 1 then I get a spike at a lower percentage and when I put it 10 I get a spike at 20%.
Are we suppose to keep it around 12% as optimal graph showed? Or am I missing something here?
Thanks again Nils for your efforts
the histogram is at best an indication. it varies per track how the histogram will look with the exact same settings, which also means, you cant always reach the same percentages for example.
you're looking for a rough bell curve. the shape is not affected by the bin width in the sense that the key information wont change. you just have to think what the histrogram actually does. it simply collects all measurements of damper speeds and puts them into boxes. a box is 10 or 20 or whatever number you want wide.
a question... what channel did you use for the negative rake on the trackmap? your videos are very very usefull!! keep it up plz
you have to create a rake channel yourself and you also have to maintain the ride height data as the output from ACC is not directly usable. there are workbooks on my discord that have that. or go check out racingsimtools where things are a bit easier
thx for the dampers on motec. but how you add the ride high? btw thx for sharing you Workspace from Motec
gotta make a video on that I guess!
@@SimracingPopometer i'm w8 for this one :D
I know this is old video, but does bump rate, bump range, annd preload differential impact the bell curve. Right now I have wheel rate maxed on front and rear. Front is good, but Rear tires are very flat on what should be a bell curve.
a flat histogram just means the rear is always somewhat moving - its fine as long as it drives around the track. don't take it as the holy grail
@@SimracingPopometerthank you! appreciate that its not that big of a deal. i just have to get faster
Very helpful,ty
I got a question there is a point I always stumble upon: the histogram and ideal damper curve. With the Honda EVO I cant get the rear slighly near what you show us. Is the Data the Honda delivers buged? Its a very wide but flat curve, nothing I do can change that, the front axle is pronounced and looks very much like the things you show. The rear is kind of different. I made the springs max stiff. I did them super soft, i eleminated all dampersetting, I put all on max I did crazy stuff in between, the histogram doesnt change that much. would be very apreciated to get some inside.
with the engine in the back there's a lot more mass that's moving around in the rear axle and that usually comes with the rear also moving more and longer until things settle. hence the also get less "no movement" data in the histogram and eventually it looks flatter
@@SimracingPopometer thank you for sharing your knowledge, so for the Honda I can only work on the front axle with what you shown us with motec and the damper histogram. Is there a way (for us not so blessed) drivers to get a idea if damper and spring settings are OK? It's hard to understand when you see the difference in damper setup aka standard aggressiv versus commercial setups as CDA... Is there another way via Motec to judge dampers?
This is a great video. Now, I can't figure out how to see the rake graph. Would you be kind to share your workbook with us? I would much appreciate that. I can't seem to find much relevant information. Your stuff and coaching are great. Thank you very much.
Found it by diging into other comments. Thanks
It is excellent, now just wondering why the track maps look simplified as a circle? Is there a benefit of viewing laps like that? It's quite confusing for me, I'd prefer to see it as a real map. Any way to revert it? Thank you
OK, fixed it. Maybe it will help others. When I had your track maps it showed them as a circle (not like a real map, weird). So I have deleted yours and imported ones from my previous ACC workspace. And it worked. Sorry for spamming your UA-cam channel with comments :)
:) Motec sometimes just uses a wrong reference lap, that is just 1 minute long and then cant draw a proper track. all you have to do is redraw the track map using a proper lap and the right glat channel
@@SimracingPopometer Could you please specify how to do it? Maybe an idea for the next UA-cam video, I am sure many people will be searching and asking the same question. Thanks again and looking forward to seeing more MoTec useful videos and track/technique how-to videos.
thanks for the video , but how one can add rake page/telemetry to motec ? I can't see that ... thanks
its all manually created with math channels
@@SimracingPopometer thx, all already installed and running :) keep up the amazing work and those alien lap times :)
if i maximase for 500 the curve go high, what is the good maximase ? if i put 800 i can reach the perfect curve but is correct or no ?
Hi, thank you for your video. I have try install your workbook, but i can't see the values. Maybe we need your maths. can you kindly share it?...thank you so much...
You can find my workbook is in the channel "about" page, the maths are included there. I'm not sure what the issue is?
Hi Nils, I've been trying this with a Porsche at Brands Hatch and have found that the reverse problem is occurring. If I firm up the suspension, as you recommend, I'm getting even less out of the bump/rebound than what I had before. If anything the curve is even flatter and I can't get above 7%. The car has become very skittish and more tail heavy. There's also a bump in the curve on the bump side of the rear suspension that I can't get rid of. It's almost impossible to catch it if it oversteers.
I just did what you recommended and added a couple of clicks to the spring rates and worked the bump/rebound as described. Not sure what is going on here. It made total sense in the video. Any help appreciated.
it's just way more complex than what the video shows. you are likely already overdamped is the curve flattens. try going softer with the dampers. also there is a dependency between settings on one end of the car to the other. that means the graphs on the front can change with damper changes on the rear. plus the Porsche is a different car with different dampers and maybe different steps between the settings. and also with the engine in the rear it's also just totally different to the Mercedes
Nils Naujoks Thanks Nils. I knew the setup would have to be different but all I’m trying to get is the right curve, as per your example. Whether it will be easier to drive or not I won’t know until I get it right but it should be faster, right? The issue as I see is that properly set suspension will get more out of the tyres, won’t it? It shouldn’t matter if it’s front or rear engine. Right now I’m dealing with a high level of pendulum effect at the back of the car that was less obvious with the original stock setup. It might have even weight distribution but with the concentration at the rear, once it lets go, it’s all over. Anyhow, I’ll try softening the dampers, as you say.
By the way, what key command did you use to change the number of columns at 4:23 ?
Nils Naujoks There is a guide from Koni:
www.bimmerhaus.com/tech/shocktuningTN.html
its not a key command, its the "bin width" in the preferences.
For these kind of discussions just join the discord, there are smarter people than myself :)
Okay this is a real eye opener. Did not think the aero really matters as much. But now my question is on tracks like PR where it is a lot flatter is it better to keep a medium stiff suspension to allow the car some roll or do you just stick with a hard one and then run the possibility of the car washing out in fast turns
Gotta say it depends on the car. Some react very harsh to ride height changes, some don't. Haven't really tested along those lines a lot yet
@@SimracingPopometer Mind doing a setup with a analysis of PR and the merc? Quite keen to see what you do there as i just cant get the car to handle the way i want to
Thats not one of my loved tracks :p
@@SimracingPopometer Haha hence why the video would be so much more informative as it would be a learning experience for all of us :D
@@SimracingPopometer I can get 1:54s on the track but I think there is a 1:52 there with a proper setup
I know this is old but uh, getting ride heights from where exactly?
you gotta create those channels yourself... or use my workbook, its shared on the discord, and the ride height channels are in there after calibrating them. its a bit odd, but at least we get an idea that way
Really thank you
how did you switch the display at 4:24???
Hey! Sorry that OBS didnt record that extra window... just go right click: properties and then change the bin width and you will see how the graph changes.
Thank you 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I have a rain in light rain, not enough water for wets but struggling too keep temp on Zandvoort. Should I follow these same guidelines for histogram?
for those conditions i prepare a bit softer set, but not much. overall you want the same from the dampers, to keep the tire on the road!
Your videos are amazing, thank you.
Is there a way to adjust brake pressure in ACC? Because I've only found the option to adjust brake gamma, but that ist mit really what i am looking for. I want to be able to run less ABS without locking up when stomping on the brakes at high speeds
should work with ABS 1 really. Dont give away braking performance. On high speeds you can even press the brakes fully without ABS. Dont reduce pressure :) (It would be in the setup of the car if you really want to throw away laptime)
@@SimracingPopometer OK, thanks. By the way, your videos really help me a lot. Was able to cut off 0.7 seconds just after taking a look into your motec data of Nürburgring and am now standing at 1.55,8 with a potential of getting into the 1.54s.
Im am only owning a wheel for 2 weeks and have a long way to go still ^^
sounds like a good start. dont get frustrated when you hit a wall
Please Man talk more about lexus... I cant find anything decent in the internet. Keep the good job
Car, long wheelbase, engine wants to be tortured, curps want to be tortured, quite forgiving, bit oversteery. But I'll try more :D
Thx man i will wait for that... I am joining a competition and thats the car I have choosen. Because people are always using the same cars. Maybe with some of your advices and knowledge i can have a chance. Thanks so much one more time
Hi! Very informative video! How did you get access to ride height channels? I knew they were hidden from the game. Are they math functions of suspension travels?
They are math functions indeed. And you need to manually enter the ride height from the setup each time you make a change. So if ride height in the setup is 55, you want to calculate 55 - SUS Travel. Also, you will have to add the static compression of the springs and add those, to get proper values, you can read them in motec when you simply park the car. Then the math function reads: 55 - SUS travel FL + 21.59 (or whatever the latter value reads when car is stationary for that corner of the car)
@@SimracingPopometer thanks for the response. It might sound like a stupid question but how do you know that the suspension travel is vertical (so that you can linearly subtract it from the static RH)?
I don't. but unless the angle is really big the error isnt big enough to matter too much. its precarious estimate :)
@@SimracingPopometer alright I see. Thank you!
you can actually see what the cars have. just go to the free cam mode and fly into the suspension. the mercedes has pretty straight springs (or what looks like springs) while the mclaren, audi or ferrari have angled ones - up to 30-40° or so. *sigh* even more to consider ;)
Thanks for the videos on Motec :) only took a few minutes of playing with this to get faster and more stable. one question though , how did you get the rake page like that? I don't have most of those channels available.
it's all calculated from ride height changes derived from suspension movement and a calibrated neutral point
@@SimracingPopometer I mean I don't see that data in my log file anywhere.
you need to create it. ACC only gives you suspension position. from there you need to add calculations in your own channels to motec in order to get something like ride height. But you can also just come to the discord and download the workbook
@@SimracingPopometer Ohh I understand now. Cool :)
Hey Nils,
Thanks for all the tutorials and explanation. I am new to simracing and it helps alot.
One thing I've been wondering, I can't find rake angle in Motec software. Do you know if Kunos removed that from telemetry data, or maybe it's under different name now?
Greetings!
it's not in the telemetry altogether, it's a manually created math channel
@@SimracingPopometer Thanks!
Hey🙂 ich hab mir jetzt schon mehrere dämpfer videos angeschaut und jeder hat eine andere methode. Ich hab gestern für SRO deine ausprobiert und hab festgestellt
, dass wenn ich druckstufe und zugstufe höher einstelle, werden die balken links und rechts neben dem zentrum immer höher. Kannst du mir da bitte helfen? Danke😊
Ja, man muss sich das alles mal vor Augen führen. Das Histogram ist eine Statistik, es werden alle Dämpferbewegungen gezählt und kategorisiert. Alle 5 millisekunden wird einmal festgestellt in welcher Bewegung sich der Dämpfer befindet. Also ob er gerade im Bereich der Zugstufe oder der Druckstufe unterwegs ist und wie schnell die Bewegung dabei ist.
Wenn du die Dämpfer jetzt härter machst, dann braucht die Flüssigkeit (oder Gas) im Dämpfer länger um von einer Kammer in die andere zu kommen (ganz grobes Konzept). D.h. halt auch, dass wenn es länger dauert, dass mehr Messungen in diesem Bereich notiert werden und darum werden dann eben auch die Balken größer.
Ohhh danke🙂🙏 ich brobier dann mal zugstufe und druckstufe zu reduzieren.