The Rapture: Does the Bible Teach It? (1 Thess.
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- Are you aware that this 'rapture of the church' idea is not a historical teaching of the church? To the surprise of many, rapture-based theology has only been around for the past couple hundred years and predominantly in America.
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11/30/2014 - Pastor David B. Curtis - Berean Bible Church - www.bereanbiblechurch.org - Message #734
Once you die or see Jesus coming the door to salvation is closed. Jesus is the door. No one enters but by Him.
"He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit, in whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built." - 1 Peter 3:19
"For to this end the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that they might be judged indeed according to men in the flesh, but they might live in the spirit according to God." - 1 Peter 4:6
Have you ever concerted reading the books of Revelation and Daniyl with Audience Relevance in mind? Remember this apostle was the one that instructed us to test the spirits. 1 YAHcanaan 4:1-6
WHO were these books of Daniyl and Revelation (REALLY) written for?
Does the Scriptures actually tell us?
Rev. 1:4 YAHchanan ( “John ) to the seven congregations that are in Asia:…”Rev. 1:11 “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven congregations: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardus and to Philadephia and to Laodicia.”
Not only do we know these cities from ancient secular history, but we are even aware that the order in which they appear in Revelation follows a known Roman postal route.
These seven congregations were real local congregations undergoing great tribulation and unimaginable suffering…
Rev. 1:9 “I, YAHchanan, your brother and fellow partaker IN the ( GREAT ) tribulation…”
In fact, all the way through the book of Revelation we discern a martyr theme quite in keeping with what we know about their “tribulation” and their need of “perseverance” (Rev. 2:9-10, 3:9-10, 6:9-11, 11:7-8, 11-13, 18, 12:10, 13:10, 14:11-13, 16:5-6, 17:6, 18:20, 24, 19:2, 20:4, 6) These people are suffering grievously. For instance, later in chapter 6 we learn of Father YAHweh’s special blessings upon those who have actually been slain for their faith (Rev. 6:9-11).
The apostle YAHchanan is MINISTERING to them - giving them HOPE about what must "SHORTLY TAKE PLACE" (in their lifetimes), and he expects them to understand and act upon his directives, for he tells them that the “time is NEAR”…
Most of us have never even stopped for a minute to examine (for ourselves) the very THEME of this letter called “Revelation”. For instance, in the very first verse of the first chapter the apostle YAHchanan plainly states WHO his actual audience is (HIS bond servants), and then proceeds to tell THEM (HIS bond servants of whom YAHchanan ( John ) is a FELLOW-PARTAKER in the tribulation WITH them) that his letter is about things “which must SHORTLY take place”.
To make the point even clearer, in 1:3 we see YAHchanan unmistakably saying to the people in those seven congregations that the VERY REASON they are to “heed the things which are written in it” is because “the time is NEAR”.
QUESTION: Why would YAHchanan boldly say that the very PURPOSE of his letter was about things that are very NEAR to his actual audience, if they absolutely were NOT near? We have never been challenged by the religions to even ASK that question. We have never been asked to imagine what those poor, persecuted believers in those seven (actual) congregations sitting in candle light, reading their letter out loud were think as they read those letters.
Once again, here’s just another one of MANY examples where we have (literally) been trained to mentally REMOVE the original audience (the original recipients) and then INSERT ourselves in their place.
THAT'S CRAZY!!!! Can we not see how absolutely crazy and exegetically irresponsible that actually is to just IGNORE this literary fact?
We really can not see what we have allowed to be done to our understanding of the Scriptures by twisting the Scriptures as the many false religions have done for many years and are still doing today.
In chapters 2 and 3 YAHchanan addresses short letters to each of them. In those letters we discover numerous historical, geographical, political, cultural, and religious allusions fitting perfectly with what we actually know of these regions. These are real first century congregations in real first century.
1. YAHchanan is writing to seven actual congregations in DIRE circumstances.
2. He intends for them to understand what is being written, revealed, and shown...
3. They are to HEAR and to HEED, which would require that they understand…
4. YAHchanan’s ( John’s ) letters is about things “which must SHORTLY take place” (temporal nearness)…
Again, the direct (physical) recipients of this letter called “Revelation” are REAL people who are suffering VERY REAL grievous “tribulation.”
QUESTION: Is YAHchanan taunting them by using familiar terms speaking of temporal nearness? To These poor men and women who are under such trials?!?!
Surely not!
He is MINISTERING to them - giving them HOPE about what must "shortly take place" (in THEIR lifetime)... and he expects them to understand and act upon his directives, for he tells them that the “time is near”…
To seal up, or not to seal up…
The “time” in the book of Daniel was NOT near (Dan. 12:4), but the “time” in Rev 22:10 WAS near… If Revelation was NOT to be sealed because the “time is near”, but Daniel was to be sealed because it was for “many days” and the “time of the end” (Daniel 10:14, 12:4,9), then “many days” are only 500 years, and if that is true, how can "at hand" or “the time is near” be for 2,000 years?
Not only have we never asked ourselves that question, but we have never even THOUGHT about this literary inconsistency.
Surely YAHchanan is not telling these poor persecuted saints that the “time is near and you must heed that which I’m writing, and Father YAHweh is concerned with your persecution - BUT the things I am telling you that are near to you and shortly to come are (actually) NOT really near to you and (actually) NOT shortly to come but are (really and actually) not going to take place until 2,000-some years from now” ! "But hey, thanks for letting us USE your DESPERATE HOPE and your DIRE SITUATION as a STORY PROP for the REAL people (2,000 years from now) that this letter is (actually) written for." ??????????
For years we have been taught to say, "YAHshua and the apostles could not POSSIBLY have really MEANT what they clearly and plainly appeared to be saying (directly) to their first-century audience."
We must understand, some of us for the first time, that YAHshua and the apostles stood and looked their first-century audience in the EYES and told THEM all the things they did. And in the case of Revelation it was a letter of course…( MattthYAH 16:28 )
We have looked at the book of Revelation and said, "Surely this book wasn't written for who it actually SAYS it was written to. Surely these words are about the end of the WORLD in OUR future. They couldn't POSSIBLY be metaphorical and symbolic in nature having to do with some first-century regional event or the end of an "age" (the Mosaic age)!"
And so, WE started building our OWN "message", all based on the arrogance i just displayed...
Again, we must ask ourselves… Is this letter “to the seven congregations ” an actual first-century-audience-specific letter TO those actual seven congregations, or was Father YAHweh simply USING all those poor people as HUMAN STORY-TELLING PROPS (or "object lessons) for a story that is not even ABOUT them - but actually written for some folks over 2,000 years later?
It IS either one or the OTHER.
It is ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL (B. R. U. T. A. L.) and completely THOUGHTLESS what today's end-times future-apocalypse "theologians" are expecting us to believe about those poor people in those seven congregations who were sitting around reading that letter (which was ACTUALLY ADDRESSED to THEM)!-
You lost me at "YAHchanan" - just write John 🙄
Audience relevance is everything.
Do you have a sermon on full vs partial preterism and amil vs post mil?
God bless your ministry.
I'm not too good in arithmetic, but (how long) were the people that Paul was referring to, dead or "as sleep"?
Thanks anyone!
WOW! I have NEVER heard someone say the second coming had already happened. Very unfortunate misinterpretation... I wonder how he thinks the world will end. May we all continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of God, have eyes to see, ears to hear, hearts to receive...and the humility to remain open to correction/new insights as the Spirit leads us into Truth. He is coming soon, just as He said He would. grace and peace
Suzan - to answer one of your points - the Bible doesn't speak of the world ending, so this pastor would say he doesn't think the world will end. The Bible speaks often of the "time of the end" but never of the "end of time" - the only thing spoken of in Scripture of having an end, is the Old covenant and it's system, which ended in AD 70 bringing forth the new covenant and new heavens and earth. If you're truly interested in what this pastor things on such "end times" themes, they are conveniently compiled here - www.bereanbiblechurch.org/studies/eschatology.php
@@BereanBibleChurch 2Peter 3:10-- But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be burned up.
Jesus said,He will come soon,not thousands of years later!
@@BereanBibleChurch [Revelation 10: 6] And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
'time no longer'.
You say, ["The Bible speaks often of the "time of the end" but never of the "end of time" - ] ?
Suzan Holland I agree. This is preterism and it’s very confusing because it’s not true. He had to twist those Greek words to try and make it work with his erroneous beliefs.
In Revelation 20:4-6 there are only 2 Resurrections spoken of:
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said "this is the first resurrection." John didn't say this is the "second phase of the first resurrection," as pre-tribbers claim.
If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden!
The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 ...and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST
17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!
If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation!
Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING.
Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them!
When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
1 Cor 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation
AMEN
In order to believe in the pre trib rapture, you have to throw out proper hermeneutics. Taking Paul's words completely as if he has highest authority. Higher than Jesus in both the gospels and in revelations.
@@Hebrew42Day, you believe that Paul contradicts the gospels and Revelation on the rapture and so must have been wrong? I see the rapture rescue before the great tribulation in the gospels, Revelation and Paul's epistles (and Old Testament).
Bob, two resurrections are mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6. The first one is only for saint killed during the great tribulation, and the second is for everyone still dead after the Millennium. The resurrection of the church must, therefore, happen before the great tribulation, and evidence for this is seen in the fact that the marriage and marriage supper of the Lamb to the glorified bride happens before the resurrection in Rev 20, and before the Second Coming and Armageddon in Rev 19.
Bob, and the “last trump” that Paul wrote the Corinthians about cannot refer to the 7 Trumpet judgements in Revelation because neither Paul nor his audience could have read the book of Revelation because it would not be written until decades later. In fact, Revelation 5 informs us that God’s judgements were in a sealed scroll that only the Father knew about until Jesus broke the seals as John witnessed.
Also, Paul did not explain what he meant by “last trumpet,” which means that his audience already knew what he meant.
Given these facts, the only conclusion we can draw is that Paul was using a colloquial phrase. To say otherwise is to read into the text something that’s not there, but many are willing to do that in order to deny the rapture rescue before the great tribulation.
I have a question, if all this rapture stuff took place 70ad and john wrote revelation in 90 ad then why did he close with Christ saying i will come quickly, amd john ask him to come quickly? If the rapture event took place 20 uears prior surely john would know that. Can you clear that up for me?
Great message!
does Mt.27:53 have anything to do with this when the dead came out of tthe graves?
what is the marriage supper of the lamb? does it pertain to this?
While I do not believe in the rapture as understood by the teachings of Dispensationalism. The resurrection of Jesus is physical as we clearly see in Romans 8 where Paul clearly is stating that the spirit (your spirit) is alive because of righteousness and your body is dead because of sin.. He tells us that if the Spirit that raised Yeshua from the dead is in you then He will also raise your mortal body... and also 1 Cor 15 is telling us that there is a physical resurrection where Jesus is a first fruit of sorts and we are to follow also... Some of the passages talking about coming soon were speaking about Judgment not physical resurrection... Yes!! but your wrong about rules of interpretation. The way scripture is understood is context... and yes, sometimes coming in judgement and yet others , clearly defined by its context , such as Romans 8 , etc is physical in nature. And the whole of what was accomplished by Yeshua was to undo that which was done by sin. The penalty was death but the free gift is life in Yeshua. The important piece of this is if I am in Yeshua, then death cannot keep me down and my body cannot stay in the ground because I am sinless , in Him, and therefore I will rise , otherwise, Yeshua did not undo the penalty of sin.. If I remain in the grave then my body is forever under the penalty of sin which my God came to save us from. What we see is the sinless savior actually rise from the dead , physically. And we are promised the same; This is called the hope of glory... I assure you listener , I do not have time to unpack this as I would like but this teaching has just enough truth to appear true and yet misses so much. We will rise and In Him we are in the Heavenlies, both are true!!!!
+Kris Tucker Musch of your response is a very greek/physical position, and not stemmed from a truly Hebrew concept believed at the time. The pastor does not actually monitor or respond to questions on this channel. However, many questions like your can be answered by reviewing his teachings on a multitude of related topics here www.bereanbiblechurch.org/studies/eschatology.php
Forgive me but not true... In John 11 Martha understood very well according to the prophet Daniel that there would be a physical resurrection when Jesus told her Lasarus would rise again and her response "
Martha said to him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." a Hebrew response, A Hebrew understanding....
+Berean Bible Church, so what you're saying is that the second coming of Yahshua has already happened?
@@kristucker888 Jesus said we will have bodies like the Angels spiritual bodies not physical.
Very confuing teaching. You aresaying that Paul was assuring the Thessolonians that they would see the return of Yeshua yet history proves that did not happen. So are you saying paul was lying to them?? You surely did not answer that. Ive gotten a lot out of your other teaching on your channel but you made this teaching very confusing.. Too bad. I come away more confused than when I first heard this. Simple question that I fell deserves a simple response. WERE THE THESSOLONIANS LIED TO??? WHY WOULD PAUL MAKE THAT "TIME" STATEMENT??
One question I have about the Lords second coming is. Where did he go after his return in 70ad. Is he still here?
No, he’s not still here. Good question btw. I think the general understanding is that in order for Yeshua to come on the clouds in judgment like Yahweh the Father had come many times before, he wouldn’t necessarily need to physically come back to the surface of earth at all.
But I’m not affiliated with pastor Curtis’s church, I’m just another guy who has been recently discovering all this stuff.
He is in us , and everywhere.
I think you're right to look at the text literally, however how did the early church, for instance Polycarp and Clement - direct disciples of the apostles - miss Christ's return?
"Look, He is coming with the clouds" and "every EYE will see Him, even those who pierced Him," and all peoples on earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.-- Revelation 1:7
If this had already taken place, everyone would have known it!!! It would have been recorded and this Pastor would have proof of it! With his theology, All related scripture has to be regarded as "already fulfilled" and it's obvious to most that it hadn't.
Donna S when u understand that the ‘coming on the clouds’ was a common OT term for judgement, and God the Father came on the clouds in OT yet no one saw Him, then u understand the metaphorical language of Revelation. The key in this passage was ‘those that pierced Him’. Is there anyone alive today that was responsible for the physical piercing of Christ? No of course not! But they were there in 1st century Jerusalem. And guess who suffered the prophesied wrath? Those who killed the prophets & apostles...as foretold by Christ Himself. This was the consummate end promised to those who were considered the adulterous Israel. I suggest u read The destruction of Jerusalem by George Peter Holford (written in 1805) (its free online), as it correlates actual historical events with scripture. Day of Vengeance by David Chilton does too.
@@jcismyall you can twist scripture any way you want, but this attribution of false meanings to these passages is wrong. Jesus has not returned, or it would be the biggest story in history. It is not simply spiritual, it is physical. The text cannot be more clear.... unless you want to twist it like this speaker
I think we should live our lives each day to the fullest and look forward to when we will spend eternity with Christ. I also believe we should be ready always to be worthy to meet him. I don’t believe it is worth arguing about. I also think the hope of the rapture comforts many people and isn’t harmful. We while on earth look through the glass darkly and will not know many things until our death.
Sherri i wonder what you think 2 years later, about living everyday full lives, when the world is literally falling apart and hell is literally breaking loose and we Christians have to keep quiet and know we will soon have to hide
The TRUTH will set you free!
I see someone who has been studying to find themselves approved! Amen...
This is not true teaching. Please be careful
This is nothing less than the doctrine of Hymeneaus 2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Preterism is the false doctrine of realized Eschatology, all bible prophecy has been fulfilled.
Matthew, let me ask you something in all sincerity. Have you ever considered this - if the resurrection is a future, all bodies out of graves, every eye seeing, end of time, earth shattering last days event as most today tend to believe - then how were Hymeneaus and Philetus successful in convincing anyone that such an event had already occurred? The answer is, because they did not view it as such an event as the modern church has morphed it into.
Timing of written scripture has been addressed by pastor David.
The temple had not been destroyed at the time that scripture you referenced was written.
Paul would've made plenty mention were it so.
Spot on@@BereanBibleChurch
Spot on to you Berean Bible Church
Now what made you a saint under the old covenant?
I noticed that in this video you mentioned in your first preterist sermon a couple told you Yeshua meant to effect multiple generations concerning the misleading message of timing of the parousia. Strangely enough, I received the same response when I let the “cat out of the bag” with great explanatory power answering questions to our Torah Bible study group. But yeah that was the response I got from a dear brother.
43:10, where does it say we dwell in God's presence now?
I wonder if the clouds is used for the people (army) God uses to judge...like he uses cloud of witnesses.
8/23/2021: JESUS/YESHUA never said that HE was coming SOON. I do not know where that came from, but HE did say I COME “QUICKLY”. For those who preach/teach that The Bride/Church will go through the Tribulation, let me ask these questions: What is the Tribulation and WHAT is its purpose? As we read the book of Revelation, WHY is it the 144,000, the 2 witnesses and even an angel spreading the Gospel, but NO MENTION OF THE CHURCH/Bride spreading the Gospel at that horrific time. What does Paul mean when he says that we are NOT appointed to wrath, but to obtain salvation? 1Thess 1:10, 5:9, Rom 5:9, Rev 3:10. Explain Thessalonians when it says that we will be “caught up” to meet HIM in the air. When the saints come back WITH JESUS- where, when did we “go up” to be with HIM to even “come back” with HIM. I am COMPLETELY CONVINCED THAT there is a pre tribulation rapture. So, there is no use trying to change my mind about it. Just asking these questions bcz I want to know how can you see anything other than the PRE TRIB RAPTURE view?
So, if what Paul said to the Thessalonians only applied to that audience, as Pastor Curtis says, it didn't apply to the Galatians, or Ephesians, or Corinthians. He's telling the Thessalonians that only THEIR dead will be taken up. Right?
Exellent job describing the simplicity of text...in context!
Compare ( Matthews 24 ) with ( Mark 13 ) and ( Luke 21 )
What about the graves were opened after the resurrection
we meet Him and follow Him as He descends to the Earth, the 2nd Coming. Paul was coming to Rome and after be met by friends, continued his journey into Rome.
If Paul’s epistles are not written to us, then why read the Bible? God gave Paul a mystery that was hidden. It’s relevant today, as it was when first written. I believe the second coming of Christ and the so called rapture will be at the same time. You make the Bible only a history book. It is alive and is a message of grace for all at all times!
Yes! The epistles are very relevant to us today. The gathering of the Lord's people is Truth, many scriptures to support this.
There was one guy who said Jesus wasn't coming back when he already had.
He didn't study it out.
I find your teaching on this to be confusing..please can you simplify. ..the more you explain, the more confusing..possibly by making it shorter and being more succinct. Thank you.. blessings.
What about to be dead in the body is to be alive with Christ? That’s confusing
I watched your youtubes and this one and they are very good. Im not sure about your explanation of a couple of things. In the 1st Thess 4:15-17 verses and in v. 16 “And the dead in Christ will rise first.” I think we can agree that it refers to the believers who died in the 1st century before AD70 and also includes those redeemed of the old testament as Hebrews the 11th chapter explains they were looking forward to the Heavenly country so the 2nd presence meant they went into heaven at that time (in AD70). But I don’t see how your explanation of 1 Thess 4:17 could mean they (the ones living) went into Gods presence but stayed on earth. 1st Corinthians 15:52 says it takes place in a “moment”” for both the dead and the living, so why would only the ones in the grave have a change from death to life (in heaven) when the body of Christ believers be changed but stay on earth? I know some preterists say its just a covenantal change but that doesn’t seem to make sense. Especially with verses like 2nd Tim 4:8 where Paul says he would get the crown of righteousness “on that day” and at “His appearing” referring to the 2nd presence. Also in 1st John 3:2 another verse about the coming or when the revealing takes place, it says “we shall be like Him” and “see Him as He is.” They had to raised to a higher level of existence (in heaven) in order for those to things to happen. (and that took place in 70AD.) Its also important to note once the grave and death was defeated the salvation Jesus brought wasn’t just for that generation as we find in Eph 3:21, “To Him be glory to the church by Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever, amen.”
(nkjv used for quotes)….(see: wordfortoday2017.webstarts.com)
I truly believe you are telling the truth in this matter!
Can you answer me how its possible for so many great Teachers like the late Chuck Missler which I believed to be Godly & an Honest Preacher/Teacher, Got it wrong unintentionally when his as many as others have extraordinary IQ's and understanding of the scripture???
Just an honest question....
Thank's for your Teaching of the word!
There can be many reasons, but probably a more common one is our upbringing worldview. Most all of us tend to approach the Scripture with the baggage of our tradition and understanding. We tend to have a bias towards a certain view that we have always held, and it can be hard to break from that to even consider another view.
we don't escape. We rule and reign with Him on Earth. He will come again to rule on the throne of David.
“ Please “speak on The “Truth” Our” Almighty “Lord “Savior “Christ has his body and spirit.
Pastor, if you're willing I will help you to understand why Paul used those terms. The 2 stages of "resurrection" separated by the "then" are understood when you experience them. That is one reason it is so vitally important to KEEP His Words and His SAYINGS; so that you may recognize what is happening to YOU as YOU experience what Jesus says shall come to pass.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
John 14:24
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
When I was caught up into the third heaven, the only reason I recognized what was happening was 1. the Word of the Lord which the Spirit brought to my remembrance, and 2. the experience of seeing those who have already died in Christ being resurrected FIRST; just moments before I realized that I too was being resurrected.
Let me say it this way: The Scriptures penned by God's chosen people over the last thousands of years suddenly CAME ALIVE and I heard them clearly understanding precisely what they meant, as it all rushed together in my mind, like a 10,000 piece puzzle which I could not assemble, not even knowing what the final picture should look like.
This will help you;
The FIRST Creation was the physical one, the physical heavens and earth. The SECOND Heavens and Earth is the Old Covenant, and the Third Heavens and Earth; the New Creation of God is the New Covenant! I always had thought I was in the New Covenant since I gave my life to Jesus decades ago. But I still had warfare, still fought to overcome the flesh the world and the devil. But here in the third heaven, Satan has no access for the Lord KEEPS US!
Then one morning as I awoke I heard the Voice of the Lord say "Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God." and immediately I witnessed the resurrection of the dead in Christ, and immediately afterwards I recognized my own resurrection and the constant Presence of the Lord!
If you would accept my help as a brother in Christ who is very willing to help anyone to grow and mature in the Lord, I am pleased to give you freely all the Lord has given to me.
(there are many necessary steps in following Christ, and this has been a lifelong journey for me, so don't think see this as simple as it may sound here)
Michael
Thank u. im not judging just listen. i know one thing i see my Christian people go though so much year after over. Even me dont get it. Thank u
Where does everyone get this year of 1830?
You're saying that it's true? That is simply non-sense...
it's a lie is what I'm trying to tell you, and everybody quotes it like it's true
:O) people tend to just repeat what they heard somewhere WITHOUT checking it...
Shalom!
What Bible version does this church use
The pastor does most of the real study in the original languages and culture, but on the screen for the congregation tends to use the NASB or more recently the ESV, though consults most all major one and lists any major differences at times, explaining why, based on the original language, one might translate one way versus another.
@@BereanBibleChurch the NASB is approved for Catholics. The King James is not.
I think sometimes people like to split hairs to make a point. I believe we are going to be change like in the moment of the as Paul told the thess if we are still living as well as the ones who are living if we are dead. Paul said so we are going to be changed. Our spirit has already been changed by being born again.
Nahum chapter 1 describes Jesus as he returns to the Golan Heights in a whirlwind of fire. Jesus will return to stop the Turkish led invasion into Israel that is described in Ezekiel chapter 38. When Jesus returns to stop the Turkish invasion he will also gather his Church.
Paul was caught up in the Spirit. Mortal bodies cannot enter the Kingdom. Also Paul speaks of his wish to be clothed and not found naked in 2 Cor. 15. To be clothed is to receive the glorified body. To be found naked is to be only in the spirit. A human soul (being) consists of both spirit and body. When one dies the two become separate. We are reborn because we receive our new spirit in Christ.
So, are you saying that Elijah and Enoch never went to heaven?
@Trevor Chinsamy pillay Elijah went to Sheol?
Psalm 104: the CLOUDS are his chariots. And he walks on the wings of the wind.
Jesus said he would come back for his disciples because he had prepared a place for them. Where he is there they will be also.
That where they get the rapture.
It's not sure if the John that Polycarp knew, according to Irenaeus, was really John the apostle. So that's not a proof that there was no rapture in 70 AD or that the apostle John was still around after that time.
Watch Maranatha Worship Centre Bangalore teaching on RAPTURE... wonderful presentation for you to get rid of all confusion and doubts..
It would seem that this being caught up and meeting the Lord in the air was the Marriage Feast. Those dead saints were given the spiritual body at their resurrection when they met the Lord in the air and those who were still alive experienced some type of 3rd Heaven experience whilst in the body. They were still in the body but experienced the Marriage Feast in the air. If this is the case, that those alive didn't inherit their spiritual bodies and remained on earth until they died, how should we understand Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.
51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
What does Paul mean by, "we will all be changed" if not the dead and alive being given their immortal bodies at the parousia of the Lord?
That was a very Bibical sermon!
I do think there is a finality by Revelation 21-22.
But, we do not understand everything in the physical realm. We are supposed to trust Jesus Christ! He has everything in His hands
I find it interesting that most think the resurrection of the dead was to be back to the earth. But Jesus opened up the way to heaven and entered in before us to prepare the way. The resurrection is clearly out of Sheol - which is no more. Today, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. And we know He is not dwelling on the earth today in the physical realm. Also He made it quite clear when answering Martha in John 11, on what the then present hope was for Christians (prior to the resurrection of the dead) vs the future hope of the rest of us:
John 11:23-26 (KJV)
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
The only one's who apparently do not believe this, think that Jesus hasn't accomplished all that He came to do and left something unfinished after He said "it is done" in Rev 21.
How many Bible versions do you need to follow this guy's Bible study? There are over 200. My one KJV was good enough for my forefather's for hundred's of years. Why is it now that I need a wheel barrel full of different Bibles versions? Is the body of Christ better off for all these different versions. But then, no one has Bible studies nowadays anyway. Just lectures.
Search4Truth You only really need one - the original Hebrew - unaffected as much as possible by the bias of men's teachings - which the KJV is FULL of the translators biases. This pastor looks mostly to the root original text, not man's "translations" of what THEY feel words/phrases mean based on their theological stance.
Berean Bible Church
So the Pastor is not a man. Without biases.
It was inevitable that 200+ different versions was not going to be enough for Americans. Now every Pastor is his own translator. That sounds about right for an American church. You do realize that it is not so in most of the non-westernize world.
When Americans read their Authorized version Bibles they didn't need 200 translations and every Pastor to be a translator. Pastors were busy preaching. Now they are busy translating. Americans think they do so with impunity. They will soon realize how wrong they are. May God have mercy on their souls.
Search4Truth Well, until every man in America could read and understand all of the nuances of the ancient Hebrew and Greek languages, then yes, they need men trained in that ability to translate and assist them in learning. And yes, when someone sets out to do this, their bias will be included in their interpretation. However, this man looks at the language, deals with the clearest interpretation of the original language, and explores the outcome - wherever it may lead. Most people approach the Bible with a presupposition already, and then go about seeking to prove it by finding texts they feel do so. That is called biblical eisegesis.
Studying the original language to find what IT says - looking at the language, and it's usage both in other verses as well as culturally at the time period, and then using that to grasp the understanding, regardless of if it aligns with your presupposition, that is biblical exegesis. That is what this pastor sets out to do. For Americans who only understand English, sometimes this does require viewing multiple different translations to get a feel for what a word can actually mean, and determine which version is closest to the real original meaning.
Sadly, as a former KJV only person myself, I have in recent years seen the glaring bias interpretations throughout that version and have had to give up my holding to it. Sure it gets things right occasionally, but quite often gets things totally wrong. Now if you want your KJV but with a more accurate translation, try the Young Literal. Same manuscript, better translation - and while a bias is found, it is way less than what we find in the KJV.
Studying the Bible to get a clear understanding can never be done by simply reading one translation and thinking it is totally accurate - it requires either original language studies, or looking at multiple ideas behind the translation of a word.
Search4truth - amen I do not need a pope approved Bible
Berean Bible Church the Holy Spirit gives a true Christian guidance. Not a priest pastor or pope.
And you call yourself a Berean Christian??? Huh!!
WO.....! Hold on a minute.
I thought (when you mentioned that "the persecution they were receiving was coming from Yahuwdah") this is wrong and a mis- interpretation of what Sha'ul, Tomotiyos, and Silas have relayed.
Chapter 2:14, clearly states, that the gentiles of Thessalonian ( these are of the lost sheep of the House of Yisra'el, the 10 northern tribes that YHWH cast away from His Face in 722BC to become the fullness of the gentiles, to become gentiles themselves and forget where they had come from and to forget YHWH) who were turning to the faith obedience of the Torah, were being persecuted by those of the same (unbelieving) gentiles (their countrymen of the house of Yisra'el) as the believing Yahuwdim in Yahuwdah who also believed, we're being persecuted by their own countrymen (brethren) ...the unbelieving Yahuwdim.
The instructions are for the believing returning believers of the House if Yisra'el who have come from the gentile galute, to be imitators of the Yahuwdi believers.
That's pretty clear.
This is so clear, but you do not take the whole word of YHWH into account.
You are taking His Name in vain.
What does it mean to take YHWH's Name in vain?
For that you need to understand the Tanakh, the House of Yahuwdah, and the House of Yisra'el, and YHWH's perfect plan of salvation.
May YHWH be praised that those making talmidim of the nations (the nations= the lost sheep of the House of Yisra'el) shall in no wise have gone through all the cities of the House of Yisra'el (as the fullness of the nations) before the son of 'Adam comes "
Now the land that makes up the promised land is so small, that talmidim could easily go through all the cities of the physical land called Yisra'el before the time line you are speaking of.
But Yahuwshua says they won't be able to.
That's because Ya'aqob prohesied concerning Ephrayim & Maneshsheh, that Ephrayim as the head tribe, whould become the fullness of the nations. That Maneshsheh would be great, but his brother Ephrayim would be even greater.
That they would be "Milo ha goyim".
So now we have the whole world as we know it, filled with the House of Yisra'el... the 10 northern tribes under the original headship of the tribe of Ephrayim.
YaHuWSHuA does not lie.
He represents his Father completely.
The commission given to those to make talmidim of the nations has not been fulfilled.
That's why when Yahuwshua returns, there will still be a portion of the remnant to come in, so that both sheepfolds can be fully saved (a remnant) known to YHWH as "ALL YISRA'EL".
WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE SECOND COMING ALREADY HAPPENED?WHEN DOES HE REIGN FOR A 1000 YRS?
maxwell williams You can find answers to most of your questions on this pastor's views of the "end times" by visiting his main page where he has many such related sermons: bereanbiblechurch.org/studies/eschatology.php
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The Millennium is not a literal 1000 years. It's a symbolic number for greatness. The Millennium was already in progress when Revelation was written and came to an end when the war started or ended 67- 70 AD. It's over folks!
Sorry, but you have either misunderstood the scriptures or you have blatantly twisted them. Please refrain from trying to lead others astray.
Patrick who are you addressing with your comments?
+Phil Ex Sorry, that comment was addressed to Berean Bible Church's reply above. I did type in +Berean Bible Church but it did not appear for some reason.
This bro. may be correct to deny that there is a distinction and/or separation of time between the 2nd Advent and the rapture, but he holds to the eschatological view known as Full Preterism.
While I refute the entire eschatological system known as Dispensational Futurism:
1) denying the pre-trib. rapture;
2) denying that Daniel's 70th week is still seeking future fulfillment;
3) denying that the antichrist will be a single, individual human being who will only come on the scene during earth's last 7 years (in fulfillment of Daniel's 70th week, of course);
4) denying that the church and Israel are two separate and/or distinct entities for which God has differing plans;
5) denying that the millennial reign of Christ and His saints takes place on the earth;,
I do NOT subscribe to either partial, or full preterism.
I am an Historicist, myself; as were nearly all of my Protestant forefathers during and after the Reformation.
I'm curious how he believes the entire early church missed the return of Christ.
Ryan Gallmeier
Do you have some links?
Do Protestant not have the same view as the Preterist?
you are just guessing!
7:30, the Bible is written for the Church. That is us. By your statement, how does a modern day christian live if the Bible is not written for us?
He said the Bible Is written For us but not TO us. For example, Romans 1-7, Romans was written TO “all who are in rome”
Revelation1:4 was written TO the 7 churches in Asia.
It was written TO someone, not us. But FOR us Christians to benefit from the letters today.
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He was so right about the rapture,then blew it on the saints going to Heaven!
kinda makes sense now when i read-we have been made to sit in heavenly places with him.
What was so funny when I was a kid when we went to church and supposed to enjoy God, they talk about how bad people were sinning and they were condemned of things that were wrong. Our pastor would listen to the world news and every church night he would say "there Is something going to happen. " He thought the church was going through the mark of the beast and they were getting ready to stand up for their belief if it happened. They didn't read where it already happened in history. They thought it would happen in our generation and not the one he was speaking to. They thought the dome of the rock was to be attacked and destoryed thinking it was Solomon 's temple. Our bodies will changed changed one of these days and we will be like him. The guy in the video doesn't believe it will happen to us. He doesn't think we will be ressurected out of our graves. That is what theJH believe. We just dry up like a corn stalk
Jesus took the soul out of sheol and into heaven sure. He preached to spirits that were in there in prison there so they could have a chance to be saved. I believe if Lazous was raised from the dead , so will we. I think it symbolised ours. There was a woman who died in the disciples day, oneof them prayed and she was raised from the dead. i don't we will be left in our graves to rot.
Pastor Curtis ridiculed in another video (maybe this one too) the idea that Christ would wait 2000 years to return. God waited 4000 years to send him the first time, so why wouldn't he wait 2000 years for his return? There's too much that makes no sense, too much that has to be spiritualised to make preterizm work. Rev 21:4 says in the New Heaven and New Earth there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain. Look around you folks.
very good Kris - exactly.
Yes I agree
Can you tell me please what happened to you when you accepted Jesus Christ as your savior, Who lives in you now and who you are in Christ?
Grace Hilo who wee you asking? I can tell you what my experience is if you like?
@@rhodamacgregor3853 Rhoda MacGregor
I'm asking this, because Darby's false teaching stole all the blessings from the Church.
Christian these days don't know who they are in Christ.
We are resurrected and receive our glorified bodies. The angels bring us all to Jesus who is still in the air coming on clouds of His glory. You are no Berean. Air means air, the sky, the 1st heaven.
Rhoda MacGregor
I'm asking this, because Darby's false teaching stole all the blessings from the Church.
Christian these days don't know who they are in Christ.
Jesus taught the rapture as well as Paul LONG before Darby. It is plainly mentioned in Gods Word and has been taught before Jesus came the first time. I am totally convinced of His coming to take away His Bride before the wrath of God strikes the earth and of His return to earth WITH His Bride 7 years later. The Bible tells me so. Praise Him for this mercy and comfort!
If we are going to be here for Gods wrath we will not last 24 hours. That level of judgment and/or persecution will be starting soon. You will NOT survive it. Jesus will not allow His people to suffer what He died to save them from.
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine?
Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
(The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Watch the UA-cam video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.
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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
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The "rapture" refers to a "catching away". Also to be "lifted up out of". Scripture speaks of the return wherein the DEAD IN CHRIST (note, not ALL the dead rise, only those dead IN CHRIST) shall rise first and then those who are alive and remain will be CAUGHT UP in a MOMENT, and the TWINKLING OF AN EYE to meet Jesus IN THE AIR, and SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH HIM.
This is BEFORE the millennial Kingdom where He comes back and destroys the Antichrist by the sword from His mouth (a Word) and SETS HIS FEET ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES.
So in one scenario He returns yet doesn't touch the ground. As it will be required of us to RISE to MEET HIM in the AIR. At the beginning of the Kingdom reign however He DOES set foot on the ground.
I don't need to watch the rest. We have a different understanding. I believe in the catching away. The Tribulation is not to punish the FAITHFUL, but it is to punish the WICKED. Those that DO stay behind will be because God sees they are not of a heart for Him and He needs to refine them. "Depart for I never knew you." The WEDDING. Give foolish brides, give wise. The foolish were apparently NOT brides however since Jesus said that He saw nothing of Himself IN them that He recognized. Therefore the WEDDING proceeds WITHOUT them. Weeping and gnashing of teeth. Who do you think is going to be so upset? The ones that hate Him? The ones that scoff, Nick and deride His Bride? No. Those who BELIEVE THEY ARE HIS and EXPECTED to be taken up to the wedding. A rejected betrothed.
Yes, the movies are just man's interpretation of the events that MIGHT take place surrounding the catching away or the aftermath thereof. They should not be looked to as a theological reference.
Just hearing this teaching i'm willing to bet that the Congregation left that study totally confused and bewildered. Its like being an average Joe off the street walking into a clasroom hearing a teaching on advanced physics. A bet of advice. You need to explain your teaching a little more simpler.
we know from many Scriptures that the dead will be raised on the last day. They are raised to immortality. I find that most people today will die before the age of 120.
Just to let you know, the pastor does not monitor this page nor respond, but the media team monitors things.
The question you need to ask is - what last day? The Bible only speaks of the last days of one thing, and it is NOT the last days of Earth. Here is a wealth of information/sermons on all aspects of eschatology if you seek to study a more historical view. Your comments reveal that you follow the typical dispensational doctrine that was created only about 200 years ago. Visit: www.bereanbiblechurch.org/studies/eschatology.php
+Berean Bible Church the Millennium Kingdom
+Berean Bible Church I have studied. Jesus is coming again and soon!
So you have studied the historic and preterist view in detail, and totally reject it?
Berean Bible Church preterism AND futurism were created during the counter Reformation by two Jesuit priests to counter what the reformers concluded based on extensive study of Daniel and revelation: that the papacy was the very seat of Antichrist. Those of us who truly know our history will never be fooled by these false doctrines created by men. We know what the Bible says and there will be two resurrections at THE END of the WORLD: the dead in Christ rise first then those who remain are caught up with the Lord in the air and go to heaven where we reign with Him for a literal 1000 years. At Jesus second coming, the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of the Lord’s coming and the earth will be in shambles due to the seven last plagues that fall on those who took the mark or the beast and worshipped the beast (Roman Catholicism and her false doctrines). During the 1000 year millennium, Satan and his angels will be “chained”-having no one to deceive for those 1000 years since all the wicked are now dead. After the 1000 years with Christ in heavenly Jerusalem, the heavenly city of Jerusalem with Christ and His saints descend from heaven for the final battle called Armageddon: the wicked dead are resurrected (the second resurrection of the damned), they are judged and receive their sentence according to their deeds. Satan then gathers them all together for one final attack against Jesus and the saints and then the Lord devours them, and utterly burns them up until they are ashes under our feet. So hellfire is on this earth which is utterly destroyed. So the CONSEQUENCES of the wicked is eternal separation from God and the heavens and earth pass away and a new heaven and earth are then created-it is cleanses forever of sin. No one is immortal except God so the only ones who will have eternal life are those saints who believed in Christ and were raised with him at His second coming. That is sound BIBLICAL DOCTRINE. The Bible clearly states if anyone teaches anything contrary to what the Bible says, then there is no light in them.
Christ left to give us the Holy Spirit. Have you not read Acts 1? John and Paul say he returns at the last trump. Where is Satan currently? We are in the End Days now. We will be bodily resurrected the same as Christ. That is the promise. I put my faith in Jesus. Our eternal home is not Heaven, but a new Earth. We live in a fallen world now. Not reading your stuff. Holy Spirit guides me to correctly interpret His Word.
Well, you are being fixed by a spirit other than the one who wrote the scriptures, for you make Jesus and the apostles out to be liars, but hey, you know it all already, so just pray for those of us obviously so ignorant.
And if you have no desire to read our learn any further, then please refrain from commenting on our videos, as no one is reading them or taking the time to respond to so many errors. Have a blessed day.
Berean Bible Church My God is the Truth. We can disagree, but don't tell me I would in any way judge my own Creator. I have no right.
Berean Bible Church I'm done. You're the one with the video claiming full understanding of the Word of God. This conversation is over.
We just NEED to be READY! As IF He will come SOON! And IF WE DIED it WOULD be our next moment FACING our Lord, and judgment, as I understand it.
The Book of Revelations pertains to everyone who walks this earth! All the people in the past must not have read it well, because this is the "time" in History that we see everything coming to pass that is in the Book of Revelations. We're the last Generation. The Word also says "let it be unto you according to your Faiith". If you don't beleive in the Rapture, don't worry, you won't go. But if you do Believe....then see ya later in the Sky.
Absolutely love this message! Opened my mind to the Truths of Scripture, audience relevance, hermeneutics, timeline statements! lean not on your own understanding. The word of God is not about you. Its for you! take yourself out of the equation surrender all! for works merits nothing and one always falls short once you realize this the tail (You) will no longer wag the dog (GOD) It's spiritual. Luke 17:20 YLT And having been questioned by the Pharisees, when the reign of God doth come, he answered them, and said, 'The reign of God doth not come with observation! #AD70
The gospel is the gospel of the kingdom!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah died for his people! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Matt 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
This generation is my generation, the one that witnesses everything Jesus just laid out. He is not referring to the people listening to Him speak at that moment. Your lesson on Geocentricity was dead on. This lesson so far off from reality!
www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/matthew/this_generation.htm
Romans1013 jesus was speaking to living breathing followers of him at that time . not a imaginary 2000 yr gap that's not in scripture . you will not find it unless you isaget meaning adding to the scripture something not there . suggest you also watch Mr William bell or Don presto. and get out of non realistic view from misinterpretation of ireneus who demanded jesus was over 50 before he died and preached for 15 yrs .
Is this in reference to Matthew 24:34? Yes, Jesus was speaking to His disciples. They asked Him "what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Now, this verse is referring back to the entire discourse speaking of the time prior to the next coming of the Son of Man. Jesus has not yet returned in physical form. "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." So, yes it is speaking of this generation as we are in these times spoken of by Christ. I know the truth. You can deny it all you want. I'm done with you. No Rapture!
The original Greek is not end of the world . Nor was it ever a concern to isreal what was a concern was end of the age . They asked what would be the SIGN of his presence ( sign meaning can't see him but something tells you he's there ) second was and the end of the age ...now hebrus 9 it plainly states if your a kj only he came at the end OF THE WORLD to sacrifice him self for sin ....proper greek is end of the age . The mosaic age . So no its not new literal heaven ie sky and earth a planet it's new covenant new age the final everlasting age . But even with this proof you will still not belive . I use to be a futurist
And until I shut out all the videos and so called proclaimed teachers and asked God for wisdom and read it my self all the prophecies and bible and for God to give me true wisdom I myself didn't belive till then either
Also the thessalonians couldn't possibly belive a literal resserection of corpses had already happened . Because Graves would have been deserbed. And Paul wouldn't have had to give a SIGN but just say has the Graves broke open ...as jesus sayed my kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD ...also what he spoke was spiritual .
I really enjoyed this man’s teaching until now! The pre tribulation rapture is not a 100 or 200 year idea. In mentioned in several scripture verses in a book written over 2000 years ago. Sorry - this is where I un-sub.
Here is something I wrote out awhile back.
No pre trib. The verses pre-trib "pastors" NEVER read to you.
I am capitalizing words to bring attention to them, but I'm not screaming, except in my spirit for people to wake up.
John, (and also Paul), had a vision, but John was still in prison. He was PRAYING in THE SPIRIT. That's how we should pray every day and be THAT close to God, every day.
Jesus Christ, Himself, gives us MANY warnings to PREPARE us for tribulation. He even warned the disciples they would be killed for their faith. I'm sure they would have loved being snatched away. Moses and his people, as well. When they crossed the Red Sea, there was your rapture, then the Egyptians were killed. When Noah went into the ark and God shut the door, there is your rapture, and everyone else on earth was killed. When Lot and his family were out (except for his wife), there is your rapture, and then everyone else was killed. All were protected on this earth during the times of trouble proceeding. All these are (1) tribulation, (2) rapture, and then (3) God's wrath. It's never going to change. Only the righteous saved, then the wicked die THAT DAY.
I can't even count the times I've read or heard "Jesus wouldn't want a battered, bloody, and abused bride." Well, what were the disciples (including Paul)? Chumps? Their names are on the gates of New Jerusalem. What about John the baptist that was beheaded? Jesus said in Luke 7:28 "I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John, yet even the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.” Well, that's a mic drop statement if I have ever seen one. All honored by Christ.
There is a DAY of the Lord. The wrath of God is on that day. Christians will escape GOD'S wrath. The tribulation is the devil's wrath (3 1/2 years). Jesus warns us about the last days because we will be here until the time of the end. He warns us so we will have faith and strength to endure "to the end". "But for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened." (from 7 to 3 1/2).
It will be no secret (Matthew 24:27) "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Very loud and very bright.
The disciples asked when He's coming. Anyone that still questions this, is now debating with scripture because JESUS tells us, and Jesus is speaking to YOU, to NOT BE DECEIVED. Jesus begins by saying DO NOT BE DECEIVED. Jesus (Matthew 24:29-30) says
29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
NO ONE goes before the dead and Jesus, Himself, says FOUR times in John 6, "I will raise them on the LAST DAY". Last Day, last trump (7th). Last is last, and a day is a day, not before and not plural.
John 6:39
39This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the LAST DAY.
John 6:40
40And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
John 6:44
44No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
John 6:54
54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
Revelation 20:4-6
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Even Martha knew Lazarus would be raised on THE LAST DAY, and Jesus confirmed it. He did not say everyone would be raised earlier, He confirmed HE would be the one to raise everyone at the LAST day.
John 11:24-25
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the LAST DAY. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.
NOT before the man of sin is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3Let NO MAN deceive you by any means: for that DAY shall NOT come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN OF SIN be REVEALED, the son of perdition;
Revelation 7:14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the GREAT TRIBULATION, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Those that are still alive, will go through great tribulation because we are believers in Jesus Christ. Again, Jesus told the disciples they will be KILLED because of their faith in Him.
What people don't emphasize, is how anyone of us could kill over dead any second. Our time to find Him and spread His message is now.
If any of us are still here during that time, we will either be protected ON THIS EARTH (not in Heaven), or killed because we refuse the mark. Again, Moses and God's people were PROTECTED ON THIS EARTH by God. They had light in their dwellings, their cattle didn't have lice, etc..
The 5 foolish virgins thought they were good to go, but found out they were not. All 10 virgins had lamps, but the 5 foolish no longer had oil in theirs (the Holy Spirit). When the bridegroom came, they thought they could fix it, but when they came back, the door was closed and NEVER to open again. A done deal. There is your 'left behind'. We don't get a second chance once Christ comes back on the last day. We have our second and millionth chance now.
Matthew 25:1-13
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
There will be no "left behind" that will get second chances. Our second and millionth chance is now.
Please read what JESUS SAYS. He's warned us so we can prepare in faith like Daniel in the den and the 3 in the fire. When you throw out the pre-trib lie from the devil, the bible will open up to you like it's never done before. It will all make so much since, I promise. We have to have the faith to be ready to die for Him. Peter said he would, but then realized he couldn't and denied Christ 3 times. Peter finally found that much faith in the end.
Thumbs down for you now, you are missing the mark, may you come outv of this lie.
This guy is a false teacher 1 Peter 3:3-4 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation” He is MOCKING 1Thessslonians 4!
This is ridiculous Bible teaching.
this gut is following replacement theology,
+Tony Eaton Your statement is only true if you believe that Christ being the true Israel is "replacement" theology. But what is taught today as "replacement theology" is actually not what this pastor is teaching at all. A better term might be fulfillment theology - Christ came and fulfilled what the Old Covenant system and people could never fully accomplish or satisfy. HE is the true Israel, and those who are IN CHRIST are therefore part of that true Israel - and that Israel includes the elect remnant from Israel & Judah (so they weren't replaced at all - they were included) and it also was expanded to include gentiles too, that the whole world might be blessed as promised to Abraham.
That is replacement theology. If you are putting the church in Daniels 70th week you are following replacement theology. He is saying the church suffers God's wrath. That's not in the bible . Romans 5 9 1st thes 5 9 Luke 21 36 all say we are not apointed to wrath and we escape.
You Call it fulfillment theology it's covanant theology which is replacement theology.
Berean Bible Church the church is a new creation not a continuation
+Tony Eaton The church suffering God's wrath? The wrath promised came down upon the head of Israel/Judah in AD 70 when the temple and people were utterly destroyed. The church was not a part of that, they listened to their master and fled to the mountains when they saw the signs he waned them of. Daniel's 70th week was over by the time the destruction occurred in AD 70, and from that point on there was no old covenant system, but a new creation, a new heavens and earth, a new covenant made up of true Israel - Christ and those in Christ, Jews and gentiles alike.
Berean Bible Church
Not according to scripture
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? - Matthew 24:3 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew24:3&version=KJV.
Clearly This passage is talking about the end of the age,
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: - Matthew 24:15-16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew24:15-16&version=KJV
Clearly when Jesus references daniel 9 27 in mathew 24 15 he is not talking about the destruction of the second temple.
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: - Matthew 24:20 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew24:20&version=KJV
The church isn't involved in Daniels 70th week the church is not in Judahia the church is world wide, the church does not keep the Sabbath the jews do keep the Sabbath.
This man is a liar!
+Supdude1964 Thank you for that powerful defensive response to the issue. Your detailed analysis of Scripture and the issue will surely change the mind of all readers to your post. Thank you for taking the time to give such an in-depth response, showing true Christian love and concern for the soul of this pastor. Your revelation of Scripture is so welcome.
Berean Bible Church - Just identifying a false pastor, God's Word says to identify a tree by it's fruit. Apples don't grow from Olive Trees. A good tree does not bear bad fruit.
+Supdude1964 And you have not proven any bad fruit here at all. If you feel there is bad fruit, then you are to follow Matthew 18 and seek to set a brother right and get him out of his sin. You have not proven him to be false, you have not proven him to be bad fruit, and you have not proven that he has said anything that resembles a lie.
You do a seriously great injustice to the Christian cause (assuming you consider yourself a Christian that is) by your fly-by slanderous and unfounded, unsubstantiated comments. You show a lack of love (which is not a sign of being a Christian), and you do nothing for anyone who follows after you.
If you feel there is a lie - prove it from Scripture. Defend your position against what he says here. If you cannot, then please do the world a favor and stop commenting such useless dribble.
+Berean Bible Church - Many have proven that this belief in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is not just 200+ years old or whatever this man says it began. People interpret Holy Scripture differently falling into different groups and each claiming that the other is heretical. I am a Born Again Believer who also believes in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Holy Spirit tells me that the whole idea of anything other than the Pre-tribulation Rapture is heresy.
Is the heresy of the interpretation of a non-pre-trib from Holy Scripture Salvation Pending? I would say no because once you are saved, you are saved indeed but leading the flock into this heresy would bring a person under scrutiny at the Judgement of the Saints at the seat of Christ.
Now days even bringing scripture verses into the conversation leaves it up to interpretation by all parties and thus continues the debate anyway. I know scripture and it tells me that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is true. You know the same scriptures and get something totally different from them.
+Berean Bible Church - I do believe that this man is contributing to the "Great Falling Away." Jesus is coming BEFORE the "Time of Jacob's Trouble."
Great message!
we don't escape. We rule and reign with Him on Earth. He will come again to rule on the throne of David.
+Romans1013
Peter said he is already ruling on the throne of David.
Really? Acts 2:29-33, Jeremiah 23:5-6, Luke 1:32-33.
Romans1013
...Acts 2:29 has Peter saying that Jesus sat on the throne of David after he was raised from the dead.
He is currently seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. When He comes again He will rule and sit on the throne of David.
"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;" Acts 2:30
Christ is risen, but He hasn't yet ruled on Earth. Jesus went to the Father in Heaven. He is coming back shortly to rule on Earth from David's throne to fulfill the Davidic Covenant. He will rule forever!
God is always in control and ruling over every living creature. He is the Alpha and the Omega.
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!