Rancher accused of shooting unarmed man on his land; ‘Doomsday prophet’ murder trial - TCD Sidebar
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2024
- In this episode of True Crime Daily The Sidebar Podcast: Bob Motta joins host Joshua Ritter to break down the biggest cases making headlines across the nation. They discuss the sentence leveled against the parents of a school shooter who provided their son with the gun, a rancher who shot an unarmed man on his property, and Chad Daybell’s ongoing trial.
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Giving your emotionally troubled children access to guns is the line here.
I think you're forgetting the most important part of these parents being charged is the fact that they put a gun in their mentally ill child's hands.
America should have effective gun control. It is pathetic to blame the parents because America is awash with guns. America wrings its hands at mass shootings and does nothing - America is pathetic.
@@davidc3839Are you from Canada?
Then why charge him as an adult? Charging him as an adult means he is responsible for his own actions.
Charging the parents sets a dangerous precedent which most of the public (you) are too stupid to see
@davidc3839 Agreed. We have a kid in my family that was shot and died, and the other kid, the one that shot him? His grandfather let him have guns unsupervised. Nobody was charged, nobody is disallowed guns, and the whole thing was ruled an accident. Shameful! A shooting is NEVER an accident.
@davidc3839 there is gun control but ILLEGAL guns run rampant AND idiots who can't parent and put a gun in a child's hands when they clearly knew he wasn't well are to blame.
If you don't live in the states, yoy have a very skewed view. Guess what, NY and Chicago have gun laws and there are still shootings.
We have a mental health issue that too many ignore, especially parents
The line is drawn when your child gets in trouble for looking up ammunition and you tell him to try to not get caught next time. That’s the line right there.
As a parent, I don’t find the school shooting parents trial terrifying. I’m over here, working 6 days a week as a single parent, busting my ass to make sure I’m doing a good job as a mom, while also teaching my child to be kind to her fellow students, not just bc I don’t want to raise a garbage human being, but also bc it could literally save her life someday. I’m over here teaching my middle schooler to disregard all teacher instructions and to run in a zigzag pattern, hop fences to escape campus, and get to a house where she can use someone’s phone to call 911 and then me. THAT is terrifying. Accountability is not terrifying, to anyone doing their job as a parent. If you don’t know how to parent, that’s ok- take a class. Take a literal community college class, and if you need more, take more. I did. It really helped me not to yell all the time like my parents did. Seek the help. Keep after it. First development from a school shooting since Columbine (I was a senior in high school then) that I HAVENT found terrifying. Maybe this will even be the thing that turns the tide.
Dumbest comment I’ve ever read
I applaud you! Blessings upon you and your kids🙏
There’s only so much a parent can do. You can do everything right and your daughter could still end up strung out on drugs selling herself on the streets. Happens everyday. Even Pastors kids turn bad.
Move to the Netherlands we never have school shootings
Parents should especially be held responsible when guns are left unattended. It's never an accident! Someone was responsible for the guns and therefore for the deaths!
The obvious line was crossed when they bought him a weapon to commit these acts. Glad parents can finally start getting charged. Children are a liability and should be, they’re your responsibility.
If the parents are responsible then he shouldn’t have been charged as an adult.
You can’t have it both ways. Either you’re an adult and responsible for your choices or you’re not and you’re charged as an juvenile
@@Noneofyourbusiness57817yea I agree 💯 it can't be both!
I raised 5 kids with hunting guns in the house, they were always locked when we were not using them “together “ up north hunting!!! Not saying, “hey take these anytime you want kids!” Hell no! These parents were more like his roommates than parents. I heard James Crumley’s Prison phone calls or Jail phone calls and it was just disgusting. He’s disgusting. They both are disgusting and they’re right where they need to be right now. if they would’ve been parents, none of those would’ve happened and their kid wouldn’t be where he is and they wouldn’t be where they are!!! The school as well could have addressed this differently as well!
When your child comes home and walks through that door…please parents, look up and smile at them, acknowledge them and let them see your eyes light up. Please keep them confident that they are welcome, supported and YOURS! Teach them well and guide them about consequences by communication. Love them unconditionally and then there’s HOPE for humanity after all. Ethics go a long way too…it’s not hard, it’s a part of life. A good cycle of life starts at 🏡 HOME. 🫶
Re Crumbley: At first I wasn't behind this prosecution. Why? We had 3 kids, all raised the same. One of them could have turned into Ethan. Good parents can get a bad/troubled kid. However, once we started hearing and seeing things we didn't understand, we put the kid in therapy, with psychs, even inpatient programs. And our kid did NOT ask for help; in fact, violently fought us on this. We did everything we could afford to get our kid help. When I started hearing how Ethan was asking for help and didn't get it, my opinion changed. This goes beyond bad parenting. How could they ignore him? And when she said she would do nothing differently, my blood boiled. I wish I could tell you ours had a happy ending, but. . . . it didn't. Many years later things are holding, but we can't do anything now as our kids are adults.
Thank you, Joshua! Very interesting topics this week.
Unarmed man? He was actually an illegal alien, or more accurately described as an illegal invader. The idea this guy is being charged with anything is absolutely ridiculous..
I agree 100% if he was not in America he would be alive.
You really muddy the waters and do everyone a disservice when you insist upon using vocab from 20yrs ago that has no place in 2024. Undocumented. No human’s existence is illegal. Grow some basic human empathy. My best friend was a DACA kid, and today makes this country 1000% better as a brilliant compassionate professional working in the healthcare field, and raising her son to be a credit to us all. Get a grip. The vast majority of criminals in the US are documented citizens. It’s not even close to being a close call. Bother to do some basic research that has been fact-checked and includes reputable sources.
Unless you're a native American you are technically all illegal aliens. Why don't white Americans realise that?
Talk to a Native American who were slaughtered on this land by white ppl who think they own it sit down. Shooting someone in the back gtfoh
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What if there are warning signs to deter? As a female preparing for a large size property in the future, I would not want anyone, anywhere on my property without my knowledgeable, no matter how large it is, or who it it. It's about safety, and not fearing walking anywhere on your own property, and randomly coming across someone. I'd be in an instant panic and would certainly reach for something, too.
If parents attend the recommended services and engage with the appropriate supports for/with their troubled children, they will never be held responsible for acts against others. However, if they do nothing, they need to worry.
that right Jenna barnes140 right about what you are say people especially parents need to teach their own children right if not it's all on them how that half raised child in up
and they can't blame society or anyone else and their is some good parents and their are bad parents also and also their good children and their are bad children no matter how you raised them they're going to turn out the way that they do that's that sometime it ain't the parents or anyone's problem it's the child's problem it's something they want to do anyway
@@user-ig6lx9vk7xright so that’s when they look and see, did the parents do every single thing that they could? Did they provide the kid w/ mental health services/resources without giving up and choosing to think they’ve done enough? If they have done their jobs as parents, the records will reflect that, and will protect them. This wasn’t that.
I usually watch everything in 1.25 speed, but he actually talks fast enough that I don’t have to thank you for that and I love your show❤
100 yards isn't very far if the people cutting across his property were armed with bad intent.Its a 170 acres and for the person to be 100 yards away is almost on the guys porch.I think the outcome will be interesting but still a another life gone and I think it's going to keep getting worse in this country.
Agreed. My closet neighbor is 600 ft away. And that's talking distance.
Thought bro was the guy from the movie don't breathe from a quick glance of the thumbnail.
The dead bird in his room in a jar might have been a clue. His cries for help might have been a clue. They decide to buy their 15 yr old unwell kid a gun for target practice not hunting. Bragged about on social media and ran and left their kid. I don't think children should be tried as adults either but that's another topic.
It’s quite clear neither of these two are watching the Arizona rancher trial.
The lead detective that testified today sunk any case the prosecution was holding on to. They have NO evidence lol
I feel that your guest hadn’t got into the rancher shooting as he wasn’t aware that the law enforcement warned this man regularly about the smugglers.
He has a terrible take on the stabbing case. He wasn't surrounded by 13 people, video clearly shows only 5 or 6 at any one time and never cutting him off from every direction of escape. Also he didn't "end up stabbing one kid" He stabbed FIVE kids, including teen girls in bikinis with no weapon or agression towards him, he even ADVANCED on one victim to get close enough to stab him. He disembowled one kid slicing from pelvis to sternum. Crazy this guy said he's not sure what he would have done there. Let's hope this guy doesn't own a pocket knife..
yes, self-defense with a knife is not against the Law !
The girls were in their early 20’s and it WAS a group of 13 behaving like a mob advancing him. Pushing him to the ground hitting slapping. Even if it was “only 5-6” young adults and teen boys in the physical prime of their life, it was 6 against 1 and the 1 was a middle aged man who just had a triple bypass. C’mon now.
@@weenfain2321 ok then why did he not get a scratch on him. If you get mobbed by 13 people and have to stab everyone to survive you would be badly hurt yourself. He never even got properly hit one time. Only a coward would think they are about to die in that situation. I've been beaten unconscious with a gun on me but didn't pull it because it was a fight. No one was armed but him. Oh and a 20 yr old girl in a bikini is WAY more menacing, you're right. Cmon now.
@@weenfain2321 and where is the proof of this mob of 13 advancing on him? Nothing like that in the video. 5 people around him, none attacking him except one push. And him going after them. Only one who said it was 13 mobbing was him. So you're just choosing to believe his story over the video, and countless impartial witnesses. Got it. He got convicted for a reason. People are so soft these days. "They pushed him down, he had a right to stab everyone to death.
@@weenfain2321 and lastly, why did he lie and say they had knives and all this other bs he tried? Self Defense cases stay on the scene until help arrives, often even rendering aid after the threat is over. He tried to get away with murder. And if you think that was justified, PLEASE don't carry a weapon yourself, it's not your thing.
The judge is a crybaby in this case, and you wonder why people don't get a fair trial!
I love the dialog of you guys.
I dont know enough about the trespassing on ranch story to have an opinion 100% but… the property owner is in an area where drugs snd ppl do get trafficked. Those ppl are usually armed. His property is huge, and for that guy to end up that close hes basically at the guys house. Hes also elderly wich makes him more vulnerable. Just that info makes me think he was justified in shooting. Its sad that a man died, but its not like its unheard of that trespassing can get you shot. Also with how bad our country is doing right now, most people ( rightfully) feel like they have to look out for their own and not rely on help from government. I think we will see more things like this as people take more things into their own hands. I hope im wrong, but sadly i doubt it.
Don't know if it was mentioned, but wealthier people who can take a day off work and pay out of pocket for treatment will avoid being charged and poor parents will get screwed, as usual. And there are not always free services for poor families. And certainly not timely.
In the state of Oklahoma the Apple river man would have never even been charged…
and that's a problem.
He gives the word Moron new meaning
Bull stay off other people's land. Period. There's been enough fentanyl come in this country that's yes he was probably fearful for everyone😅
I agree with this, however being from the UK, what scares me still though is that this is a method by which to reduce school shootings, yet there is no discussion about banning guns. I just can’t comprehend it.
Mui was not "surrounded by 13 or more people." The jury quickly agreed he was guilty. Because it was obvious.
Misinformation about the rancher. I have been watching the trial!!!!!
The guest was ignorant.
Josh and Bob ♥♥♥♥♥🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
You keep saying, over and over again, how the defendant could not have felt threatened, that he could not have feared bodily harm or death at that distance. However, if the defendant could shoot and kill the trespasser, then couldn’t the trespasser have struck and killed the defendant from the same distance??
I think these parents are extraordinary. They had a meeting the MORNING of the shootings and did nothing. Most parents would not be that negligencent. Stop trying to scare good parents. Its the bad parents who need to listen and they NEVER listen.
If that backgroud music played for 5 more seconds, I would have left...
Anyway, best wishes to all decent people from Prague, Czech republic!
Murky line indeed with the Crumbley case in terms of assessing potential dangers with kids, but like many other legal litmuses, I think we apply a “reasonable person’s” standards.
I wish you had addressed the inappropriate behavior of the judge. Watch Lawyer you know and you see that this guy even doesn’t get a fair trial.
I don't find the Crumbley case murky at all. I think the line has been drawn at exactly the right place. I've watched journalists debate over whether the Crumbley's were at fault and noone mentions the unsecured firearm and ammunition that the parents purchased and took him to practice shooting. This wasn't a hunting gun. They bought their troubled kid a Sig Sauer handgun and left it unlocked at home! The cases weren't just about whether a parent can reasonably foresee that their child will harm others. It was about whether the Crumbley's even "parented" their son. They left their son alone most of the time and openly ignored him when he pleaded for them to come home. This kid was eating dinner alone while Mom was riding horses and hooking up with random people she met on dating sites. They laughed at him when he talked about having hallucinations, told people their son was "weird", and didn't even bother to tell the school that they had bought him the very gun he was drawing violent pictures of in school. How about discussing the fact that they sold their property and hid the money so they could use it for their own defense and left their kid to be represented by a public defender?
iirc Ethan literally tried reaching out to his mum via text and she completely ignored him.
Im so glad that the "parents" got punished, tho i loathe to even associate the word parent with either of them.
I think the line should be similar to how patient confidentiality works, if theres a reasonable suspicion of a child causing harm to themselves or to others and the parents have made no attempts at intervention or have ignored any pleas, then they should be culpable.
We have a COMPLETELY BROKEN healthcare system, PARTICULARLY when it comes to mental health. It’s almost IMPOSSIBLE to get help for ANYONE. And within this system they’re going to start hanging parents out to dry.
I’m not saying these two weren’t negligent. They were. But FIX THE SYSTEM before you go prosecuting parents.
The take away is parents need to parent. They need to listen when told by the school, councilors, eyc., there is something wrong. Get the kid evaluated, counciling... Stop letting your kids run the home.
Unless you actually teach your kid to go hunting, like actively take them out and show them useful skills in hunting, u shouldn't get guns. I live in Canada. We csn get guns if we use them for hunting. Guns aren't a hobby. They aren't fun. They're deadly weapons. They're tools that give us an advantage when hunting.
We don't have any gun violence where I live. Here and there, every decade, we may have an isolated situation where someone gets their hands on an illegal gun abd something might happen. Might. It's much safer to do things this way.
My sister lives in states abd likes her guns. She said " what if someone breaking abd has a gun? How would I protect myself?" Okay, but that person got a gun so easily from a store or bought it off someone else so easily that they're in abundance. No you wouldn't have guns readily st the hand to defend yourself but burglars wouldn't have guns readily available to commit their crimes..
Horrifying
I feel the school staff were JUST as guilty for that shooting. Why were they not held responsible? The freakin' principle picked up and took the back pack, with the guns in it, to the shooter. WTAF people? That counsellor holds some responsibility. They just shirked their responsibility and...if mom and dad are guilty, so too should the school staff that were involved here. Makes me REALLY mad.
What if there is a "trespassers will be.. " sign? As a female preparing for a large size property in the future, I would not want anyone, anywhere on my property without my knowledgeable, no matter how large it is, or who it it. Idc. It's about safety, and not fearing walking anywhere on your own property, and randomly coming across someone. I'd be in an instant panic and possibly want to draw/fire, too.
There are no good or bad parents. There are, however, effective or ineffective.
We have a duty and responsibility if we choose to be a parent, end of! Society is not required to raise our kids, nor is it required to pay for a negligent parent! The cost to society is insurmountable in this case. Shockingly self-centered parents.💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
Everybody DOESN'T "have the right to be where they're at"!!! There are borders and boundaries that we as humans understand and must obey. Just because some delusional "leader" says "come on in" doesn't mean it's ok to invade people's land.
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What if there is a "trespassers will be sh*t" sign? As a female preparing for a large size property in the future, I would not want anyone, anywhere on my property without my knowledgeable, no matter how large it is, or who it it. Idc. It's about safety, and not fearing walking anywhere on your own property, and randomly coming across someone. I'd freak out and possibly want to draw a fire arm, too.
What if there is a "trespassers will be sh..t" sign? As a female preparing for a large size property in the future, I would not want anyone, anywhere on my property without my knowledgeable, no matter how large it is, or who it it. Idc. It's about safety, and not fearing walking anywhere on your own property, and randomly coming across someone. I'd freak out and possibly want to draw/fire, too.
Damn, I thought this was full crime vid,not a discussion
You are aware you can stop watching it at anytime, right?
@@reginaschwartz4524 I watched 2 mins b4 I realized It wasn't what I thought it was, but thanks for the advice
Do you think maybe its because parents cant really disabling there kids because our lawmakers almost made it against the law to touch them
Was the man on his land an illegal? And yes it does make a difference
honestly the white dude is on the brown people's land illegally.
Wait a minute this guy says it is "not the responsibility of the school/state to raise your kid" BUT they can change your kids name without your permission, they can get hormones for your kid if the kid request it. So wher eis the line of parent responsibility and the school/state responsibility? Lose me on this shit. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Parents take back control over your children!!!
It's hard to think if my children do something wrong that I have to go to jail. I don't feel like this was the parents' fault.
You talk way too slow for too many to stick with you. Time is money.
Shutup
Is this the Trump guy?! Bye.
Dueces ✌️ Felicia
The rancher should go free.
What telltale signs
The literal writing on the paper. Is your brain broken? FFS how stupid can one be?