Considering that Mattel seemed to barely advertise the series and only released tweaked Monster High toys for the She-Ra molds, I think it's safe to say they were more than a little pissed.
Especially so late in the run. Most companies release the toys BEFORE the show comes out but we didn't see any 'decent' products until well into the series itself.
@@harlannguyen4048 Seems to be a trend with Dreamworks, not good at working with toy makers? Either way would love to see action figures of season 4 and 5 She-ra characters they would look great. Not to mention Hordak, Shadow Weaver & a Horde tank would be neat.
Whether this is a bait and switch or not, this really does stand as an example of what can go wrong behind the scenes. A lot of things in the Bible, while some still being obnoxious, feel like a show intended for the audience it was made for so seeing it contrast so much against what we got is shocking but at the same time not surprising.
@@nono-hy7gbas someone who used to hate glimmer back after watching season 1 i can tell you that now after i finished all 5 seasons glimmer is writen amazingly and you can tell that especially in season 4 with the conflict between her and adora Most of the cast was developed amazingly and while the show has its flaws like any other its still written amazingly
Kinda bugged that Mermistia is referred to as being able to turn into a mermaid, rather than just being a mermaid. 80s Mermistia spent most of her screen time with her tail, which made sense because her kingdom was underwater like a mermaid kingdom should be. Also, kinda annoyed with the Sea Hawk interpretation. (This is better than what the reboot ended up with) One of the reasons I liked him so much in the original is because they made it clear that while he admired She-Ra his heart belongs to Adora. It avoids the two-person love triangle and I thought it was nice.
Finally, someone else says it!! I was about to make a whole video detailing Mermista. But one of my biggest issues is that they treat her as a girl that can become a mermaid rather than a mermaid that can turn her fins into legs. It's a very important distinction that is always ignored! Being underwater is her normal, land is odd. Not the other way around. Also, it would have been fun to see Mean Girl Mermista sorta hating on and complaining every time she has to use her legs. Like she makes a big deal out of it every time, but it's to hide that she just wants to hang out with her friends. [Adora, Glimmer, Bow and Mermista at the Crystal Falls talking about some MacGuffin] Mermista: "....Let me guess. 😑 it's on land?" Adora: "Well...yeah-" M: "UUGGGH!! *transforms* [exasperated] OK. Let's go! 😠" Glimmer: "Mermista...you know... you don't HAVE to come with us." Mermista: "It's fine! It's fine! I already have my legs on! Let's just go!" Bow: "....So judging by the Intel we've got and my research, then what were looking for is most likely hidden somewhere in the Sea of Perzia-" Mermista: "THE SEA?! Finally you people go somewhere sensible! Count me in!" Bow: "Well, actually, Mermista, we-" Mermista: "A bup-bup-bup-bup! Bow I will NOT have you ruining this for me! [Arrives] Bow: "So it's got to be somewhere around here." M: "Bow....what am I looking at?" B: "The... Sea of Perzia?" M: "Mmhm! And can you tell me why I see no WA-TER at this SEA?" B: "It's just not that kind of sea?" M: "Not that ki- THEY SHOULD ALL BE THAT KIND!!"
@@unigenius They treat her like a water bender, instead of a mermaid. What's also sad is the original Mermista was helping the rebellion despite her people's belief that the Horde is a surface people problem. (She was a double rebel) Mermista being an apathetic mean girl is the opposite of what this character was. I'm guessing they heard the original had a French accent and began working off stereotypes about the french. (Before settling on April from Parks and Rec.)
@@CoolG97 Yeah I didn't like Mermista being that either, especially since this show is supposed to be this girl power bullshit. Her kingdom is under attack and the first thing we see of her is sitting on her throne doing nothing. I hate it. The only positive that she has is that she's a decent leader
@@Saltedroastedcaramel And when her kingdom is completely taken over she mopes in the tub eating ice cream while her subjects are forced from their homes. I could kinda forgive her attitude if Silenas was still underwater because it could just be that she's naive/arrogant enough to think her kingdom is invasion proof. (Which as I mentioned before was a problem with the mermaids in the original.) As is she's just comes off as apathetic. The original Mermista helped provide food for the rebellion and was ashamed by the inaction of her kingdom. Nu-Ra has done a better job of showing why women shouldn't be in power, because they'll bail the moment being a leader is too hard or too boring.
What?? So they *considered* Catra having her panther form (and giving a cool explanation for it) AND a version of Casta who's as epic as the original? Why didn't this make it in???
Because Noelle wanted some vent art. Adora having some trouble with the sword at first was supposed to be her, *Noelle* , being nervous about *writing* for DreamWorks and having to handle stuff. Like why? Imagine paying an artist to draw a portrait of you and the artist just draws themself instead.
This She-ra Bible is definitely an interesting direction that the series could have taken. It even brought up Adora's people as the Eternians, and cemented the fact that Adora is a princess of Eternia, rather than have Adora be a princess due to being She-ra. Sadly, still no He-man and She-ra connection, due to the rights issue. Such a shame. Nice for She-ra to have her own Bible, like He-man did prior.
So it was pitched as the actual reboot fans wanted and then changed later? Because a ot of this is exactly what I wanted. It took some of the best parts of the 80s series and just ran with them while adding and expanding some new features! I'm even MORE mad about this version now!!!
Seeing this Bible (although it's worded more like a pitch) makes me wonder why so much of the actual show and story changed. A lot of the ideas that were mentioned seemed genuinely interesting and could've really allowed the show to stand alongside the original if the proper amount of effort was put toward it. Truthfully, it makes the actual show even worse when the pitched ideas had so much more to them. I think one of the more interesting things in the pitch was the relationship between Adora and Catra being a platonic "adopted sister" thing and how Catra in general wasn't as monstrous. She was evil, sure, but she's not "Let's kill a universe because I can't let Adora win" evil. It's likely that redemption would probably have been pushed for Catra anyway, but at least with pitch Catra she didn't attempt a literal universe ending atrocity. Going off on a slight tangent, I like that there wasn't any mention of shipping in the bible/pitch thing, but it also makes me really wish there were stronger platonic bonds in the show we got. It seemed like every single person had to be matched to someone at the end, even if the relationship was unhealthy or simply had no buildup. While "the power of friendship" is a funny trope to joke about, there is a strength in genuine friendship and camaraderie. Friends can push you to new heights, pick you up when you're down, or give you a different perspective on something. Better yet, a friendship can evolve into something else, such as a brotherhood/sisterhood or perhaps a romance if you really need to add one in. TL;DR, Bible/pitch thing is way better than actual show.
Do... you seriously think there wasn't enough friendship in the show? The show about a huge group of friends saving the world that discusses multiple versions of friendship??
@@painedgrayYep, absolutely, at least with the Best Friend Squad. Now, most of the problems circulate around Glimmer, who tends to be exceptionally bratty to her friends, ignoring Bow as much as she ignored her mother and outright accusing Adora of murdering her mother during the reality destruction fiasco in S3, not to mention the whole "working with Shadow Weaver" thing since SW was Adora's abuser. Even though Glimmer did apologize in S5, which was good, it still doesn't change the fact that Glimmer at least has been a shitty friend. There's also the issue of Catra being Catra, what with her "friendship" with Adora being a string of constant abuses and world destroying antics, and yet that's still meant to be a friendship/romance...somehow. As for the Princess Alliance, I can't really call them friends as such. They're more like one note archetypes that don't grow beyond their restrictive role (Perfuma: pacifist flower child, Mermista: uncaring/unaffected valley girl, Frosta: child). Sure, they interact, but I don't feel like there's any real bond besides their magic bond they share with each other. This one note personality that each Princess has also means that they generally can't be multifaceted outside of something like friendship; they just "are" one thing and that's it, akin to an NPC in a game. As for She-Ra "discussing" different types of friendships, that's not the same as proper follow through of a concept. For an example, the characters may "discuss" Catra and Scorpia's roles in the Princess Prom bombing/hostage taking operation, but there's no follow through. It doesn't really change the dynamic of the relationship for too long as both Scorpia and Catra easily become part of the Alliance, with barely any pushback on the part of the other characters TL;DR: I don't think friendship is done properly in the show because the characters who are meant to be friends are either one note or do things that are the opposite of friend behavior
She-Ra’s concept seemed full of potential. I feel like I’d be more interested in watching THIS version than the final product. Catra did NOT deserve a Zuko-redemption just because she’s a girl and also Catradora 😒😒😒
You know what I’m just gonna say it Sasha from amphibia is what people think catra is but done right catra could’ve been so complex if the writers kept her empathy because that scene of catra wanting to help shadow weaver made her really interesting but no let’s just make her angst evil with redemption just because it’s popular
I’m greatly disturbed and intrigued by the fact that many of the changes I made for my reimagining of MOTU as a whole (born from my frustrations with They-Rx 2018 and Kevin Smith’s Revelation) actually match up with what was pitched here in the series bible. Catra and Adora as surrogate siblings? Mermista actually having a personality? The involvement of modern-day people from Eternia? Heck, even Adora growing to embrace her femininity? It’s almost like I and whoever wrote this series’s pitch were on the same page. It’s honestly sad that She-Ra 2018 ended up so different from what was described here. While there are some things I’d keep from the reboot for future SR revivals (big buff sweetheart Scorpia and energetic tech gal Entrapta are a must in my book), everything here sounds exciting at the most and interesting at the very least. Definitely sounds more tolerable and professiona than what we got.
It feels like the original, only changed because they aren't confined by the episodic nature of the original. (Only thing that concerned me was Hordak. They seemed to already be leaning into Hordak having big brother/daddy issues.)
I never got this neotrad fixation on Adira embracing her femininity, there are way better criticism you can have about She Ra 2018. (When I first saw the picture, my first though was how the proportions looked wrong.)
Yeah embrace her femininity? She just looks more like old she-ra Idk how that classifies as embracing femininity, there are other ways to do so other than dressing more akin to what’s considered femenine
I’ve been working with others on a rewrite project of SPOP, but this Bible gives it a whole new scope. Really, really disappointing and confusing how they went from this to the final product. Not surprised, though, considering history with the film industry. I will say that I don’t think Noelle, if she did write this, was really that honest about their intentions. Considering how they behave with their show and with the fandom ( and a lot of other things that really hurt/upset me, personally ), I wouldn’t be surprised if they, if she was the one that wrote this, lied or gave half truths about this whole thing. Or changed their mind about their intentions behind the show. Overall, I really wish we had the Bible version instead.
@@harlannguyen4048 It seems like a lot of People are working on a Rewrite for She-Ra. Hell, I'm even trying to do one myself. With Nettossa and Spinnerella being Princesses who actually do stuff, Hordak being a relatively competent Bad Guy, and Entrapta actually being a 30 year old Woman- who feels like her Genius is never appreciated on this Backwater Planet.
shows change alot from their first draft, also its very obvious that Glimmer in this bible was intended to be Adoras love intrest ( it literally specifies an episode about bow trying to set them up on dates)
Yes, Catra and Adora were adoptive sisters. Raised by the same woman since they were babies. So their relationship wasnt just abusive and toxic, it was kind of incest.
@@Saltedroastedcaramel i mean this show has many probpems but incest isnt the probpem Because this isnt incest as they are not blood related. And i dont really watch anime so i cant say much about that
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You know even if they kept Catra and Adora as adopted siblings I would still be annoyed that Catra would be yet ANOTHER dirtbag villain that gets undeservedly redeemed simply because she a woman that you see today in most modern western media.
@@Dave102693 Yes, but I like to think that WestAllen is the exception, not the rule. Doesn't change how weird it is as a Pairing or how boring Iris is.
Shadow Weaver getting the heroic sacrifice treatment left a bad taste in my mouth. She is even less sympathetic than Hordac, and the show is trying to play the "cool misunderstood mom" card towards the end. Also Catra never once has to answer for Glimmers mom being dimensionally trapped, or any of the Horde skirmishes she lead.
I know execution is everything, but if the show that was pitched was the one that was actually brought to the screen, it would have been better. To be a fly on the wall when the decisions were made to change the show to what it is now must be interesting, to say the least.
Will this was unexpected. And frankly if Catra sounded better within the “bible” then what we got. Frankly a lot that came from that thing sounds better then what we got
I’ll tell you right now that Mattel doesn’t care about how mean this show was about the original. Because the Revelation series’ cast was far meaner, and the new show far more damaging to MOTU than this She-Ra. And it’s 100% Mattel approved.
I actually like this idea a lot more. From the sisterly relationship, to none of the identity politics, to the fact that Adora has trouble being trusted by others, her liking pretty things and yeah that much better
@@cartoonking1789 The only franchise they didn't take from was their own. (Even with legal issues, was fire gods in the center of the planet too much for the First Ones.)
@@cartoonking1789 Closest they got was the showrunner playing with the dolls without context. I'd say that puts the writing on par with Barbie movies but even those had more depth than Nu-Ra. (And Barbie handled villains' fate better.)
I said something akin to it being a pitch on ClownfishTV's video on this a few weeks ago. Pretty much Stevenson's She-ra: Princess of Bait n' Switch. I wonder if this was just to get Mattel on board with her as the show runner and then they scrap it for the fanfic and diary, seeing as the moment the show as see - Mattel went silent on it. Not promotion, not toys, until forced to and no one bought them until it was on clearance. They just kept quiet. Looking at this; it might have been out of anger and betrayal, getting a this pitch and then the product being the disaster we all know.
You know despite the fact the show didn't much toys behind it I'm still happy with the final product to be perfectly honest to many cartoon series has been canceled because of toy sales so I happy this series got made in the first place
@@Dave102693 you know I'll never understand why Cartoon Network cancel SYM Bionic Titan or Nickelodeon with glitch Tech and you know despite the fact I'm not a huge He-Man fan I did enjoyed 2003 version
@@animezilla4486 Toy sales (or even having a toy line to begin with) can be the deciding factor on if the show gets canceled or not, but it can also be due to other factors like low viewership and such.
The way the IPs for She-Ra and He-Man were split back in the day is nothing but trouble and frustration for the fans. We probably won't see any other She-Ra characters in the Origins line and because of the Netflix disaster we aren't likely to see a She-Ra sister line come out either although that would be glorious.
I'm very happy to see you both tackle the series bible! When I first saw it leaked on Twitter, it more or less confirmed a lot of suspicions I had about the show not being well-planned or worked out. One of my mutuals said it best, but it definitely feels more like a pitch. Don't get me wrong, series bibles CAN AND HAVE BEEN used as pitches in the past, but they have to be tailored for that pitch and be well-put together. Let's honestly ask ourselves a question here...if Noelle Stevenson was not already part of the animation network/clique, do you think this would honestly get through? In my earnest opinion, no. Mainly because certain elements like the story-telling, worldbuilding, and characters are so poorly laid out that I doubt if this was an OG IP it would've been picked up. That being said, there are some elements I wished that got reworked from the OG series bible, not because they're great ideas, but are just far better than what we actually got in the end. Oh well.
Why tf didn't they stick with this, I feel like I would've enjoyed this one. Maybe not as much, but at least it'd be bearable and it sounds like it'd be fun
I think they pitched something they had no intention of actually delivering on. Show Netflix what gets the money, take that money and make something else. By the time Netflix realizes it was duped, they have to release it to fill the schedule. Being Netflix they just shrug it off, release it and figure they just won't renew. Not like the first season completely sucked. But then they sic the Twitter mafia in to action and what do you know. More seasons. Seems that's how everything is done now.
Yeah that’s not what happened it’s actually pretty normal for shows to not go with the pilot idea like take victor and Valentino for example the pilot was about the boys knowing that the grandma knew the town was weird but the actual show doesn’t do that and the show sometimes doesn’t even bother with the supernatural stuff also naruto was originally just a kid fox creature trying to complete his mission of having a friend and there were no ninjas
Just here to say I'd REALLY want to see that seafaring episode with Adora being all like "we are here for business, what's this guy even doing" and Seahawk being his best Errol Flynn self...
@@sergeybin2390 Who knows? Maybe all the Critics who tell us how amazing and fun the She-Ra Reboot is were actually talking about *this* Version. Produced in an alternate Dimension by a Guy named Noah Stevenson.
Ohhhh what could've been. It's a really potential filled idea, it sounds like its a little more serious that it's 80's counterpart but I still like the pitch. Sad that it decided to go off the grid and ended up getting lost and confused in the process. They had the blueprints RIGHT THERE and decided to get all fan-fiction with it and that makes me very disappointed. Also isn't that a little interesting tidbit that catra and adora went from sisters to lovers
Somehow this is simultaneously better and worse than what we got. I would be polished on the designs but the descriptions INTACT. None of that would chenestry or lack there of. Especially when they did with DT. They did her dirty she dose NOT look like a lizard dude
I'm still bitter we missed out on a tanned She-Ra. Dark skin + light hair is my favourite combination. It helps that it's a much better design than the nonsense final design for She-Ra.
Clownfish also did a video on this. I prefer the designs in the She-ra Bible and the pitches sound better than what we got. But I still don’t think I would have liked the show.
I’m a fan of the MOTU franchise since the eighties and I did watched SheRa as a kid not just for heman and friends even skeletor as guests and not just hordak whom was in my heman toys but also I had a thing for Adora, Catra, Frosta, glimmer and mermista. Plus Seahawk was a badass masculine figure in the original show. This ideal reboot would had been more like Mike young’s awesome heman reboot but what we got with noelle’s was an abortion. At least the original designs for an ideal reboot would had made Adora look like a woman and not like a boy
Old video but I barely got ten episodes into She-Ra (Netflix) for several reasons, ALL of which I won't get into, but mainly because I felt it missed the feel of the original. I'd only seen a few episodes of the original show but I liked it way more because even though it was campy, it KNEW it was campy and was having fun. The new show felt so removed, like it shared the names of the characters and nothing else. It was CONSTANTLY filled with angst, which was exhausting to watch. Given Stevenson's insistence that the new show should be made with love in relation to the original, I'm curious as to how and when that insistence fell through...
Another great video, M and J. The new She-Ra bible is certainly very interesting, and I do like a lot of what it had. Not everything is perfect, but there is a part of me who generally wants to see this as a show instead of what we got. I've wanted to do a rewrite fanfic of the show, but I haven't actually done it for a couple of reasons: I've been busy with college work, and I didn't yet know how to really set up the story and characters (my thoughts can get very scattered). Thanks to this bible, I feel like I have more direction and focus for how I want the story to go. I think the way I want to write my fanfic is in a novel-like format with different perspectives telling it, like Heroes of Olympus. For those who don't know the book series, the story is in third person, with you seeing a character's thoughts without them directly narrating. For the beginning of the story, and most of what can be considered a first season, the story would be told from 4 perspectives. Adora would have mostly through hers for the most part, but also moments where see things from the point of view from Catra, Glimmer, and Bow. Over time, we see the story from the perspective of more characters, most importantly the other Princesses. I don't want this comment to get too long, so I'll post my thoughts on what I want to do with the characters, and how their interpretations will be based on A) What I liked from the bible, B) What I liked from the show (there was definitely some), C) What I like from what little I know from the original (I will try to watch more), and D) my own personal preferences.
Wow this sounds like a way better show instead of the LGBT shipbait we got.Im guessing the writers thought it needed the "woke" touch to really sell it.
Pitch Bibles are a thing that exist. It's what you must do when you're pitching the show. It never stays the same for the entire production. Just check the Avatar pitch bible, it was quite different as well. Everything changes once designers and writers are hired.
Ah, no....this reeks of the same misery and 'I bet others' felt seeing the much more faithful to the book HTTYD we could've had looking at the official art book DreamWorks released. Not only did I like the artwork better, the fact that Hiccup was still a young boy, Fishlegs was still his thin glass's wearing best friend, the dragons were still slaves, Old Wrinkly was there along with the whole enter the cave and knab your dragon sequence from the very opening it hurts most deeply. And the upcoming Dragons: The Nine Realms show 'set 1'300 years in the future' just leaves me feeling betrayed and locked away much like Furious: The True Dragon King!
I remember watching the film before reading the books. It would have been cool to do a faithful adaptation, but I liked the first 2 films (hadn't seen the third one yet, but I heard it was good).
I can't say much about the Books, but I did find the Movies very well made. They just aren't really faithful Adaptations. Hell, when HttyD first came out, I didn't even KNOW there was a Book Series!
@@harlannguyen4048 I can put up with the first two movies but I really don't like the last one. There wasn't much to take note of other than Toothless X Lightfury, and they 'much like Race to the Edge' added a ton of unneeded 'comedic' filler scenes. Not to mention Grimwald is just a lesser version of that shows Vigo Grimborn, which is for me the one saving grace that series had. I won't say anything on the official ending, but on the video 'How The Hidden World should've ended' (If it's still up) I wrote my own ending that was much closer to the meaning and tone of the book series ending. People did seem to like my version better!
The people behind the films made the mistake of assuming the books were too childish to be taken seriously. Once you get past the drawings and juvenile humor you see that it is a very unforgivable world. They tried to give the films the same ending as the books and it just didn't land properly.
The art is 100% hers; but the pitched material in it is fairly close to the original on many fundamentals and Stevenson claimed she never watched the show until after it was greenlit. She claimed the only experience she had with the IP was hand-me-down toys.
This sounds like a better show. I wish some higher ups at Dreamworks would kick Stevenson’s ass out the door and commission more talented (and non-woke) writers and animators and make THIS show a reality.
So they actually made Catra more of a bitch than she needed to be by purposely opening the portal knowing full well it will kill everyone opposed to doing it unknowingly and they didn’t think her doing it on purpose would make her more unlikeable and impossible to be redeemed? What am I saying of course they did, because they have no actual writers on this show just a bunch of people they grabbed from tumblr because their political views lined up with theirs.
@@animezilla4486 At least two of those redeem themselves on their own volition. So what I'm saying is D.V, Omni man and Endeavor (and especially Endeavor) are better than Catra. Catra is 🗑️. And another thing: Darth Vader: Dies after he helped Luke Omni man: Never watched the show but I'm assuming he's an immortal alien and unlike Nu ra, the show isn't over yet. It only had one season and we have to wait for season 2. Endeavor: MHA isn't done yet, Endeavor actually does have a redemption arc (something Catra doesn't have) realize his own failings as a parent (Catra only helped because she was about to get brainwashed), only his wife and daughter are willing to forgive him unlike his sons so he's still not completely forgiven, and he loses something at the end. It says something that a character that was originally made to be unlikable has a better character development than a character that was changed to be a likable love interest. I don't know why you even bother to compare them to that plot armor imbecile cat girl. It just makes her worse.
@@Saltedroastedcaramel because the characters that I mentioned have done far worse than catra Omni man has Slaughtered many Innocent Lives and doesn't care about it even beating his own son to near death but he gets a Redemption Arc. Endeavor in the beginning wanted to have a child so that they can surpass all might, his son nearly got killed when he was trying to practice his flame quirk after that Endeavor never changes his ways until near the war Arc actor has revealed that his son was not only alive but was the serial killer Dabi Endeavor truly reap what he sows
@@animezilla4486 And Catra is a girl who only cared about power and is willing to destroy the universe because her girlfriend wanted to be a better person. She had no problems taking over countries and only became good because someone put her in her place. Since I've never watched Invisible, I can say that least Endeavor's story he had lasting effects on his life. Catra had a slap on the wrist for her actions. Once again, it says something that Catra is terrible than villains that's done worse or in Endeavor's case originally made to be unlikable. She's still a Mary Sue bitch at the end of the day. And the worse part is that her motives in the pitch bible made more sense than the final product. She's just an idiot that got lucky.
I saw this a couple of days ago. It fixes some fundamental flaws with the show (more like the show added them for not reason) but it still isn't as good as it could be. Of course now that it's over there is no much else for them to do.
Since the word Bible was brought up and since the "She-ra Bible" sounds so much better than what Dreamworks actually gave us, I feel compelled to quote a Bible verse to sum it all up: "The Spirit clearly says that in later times many will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings will come from hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron." --1 Timothy 4:1-2
I like the version we got TBH...minus catra and adora being shipped. I understand that they werent raised as siblings per say..they were more of orphans in the same foster care. It comes off as strange but, it could just be my own assumption that orphans in that situation would assume their peers as siblings. I like the catra we got though. Shes frustrating but complicated and relatable. She struggles with things much more complicated than "i cant profit off of you!" Also, i think the transforming into a panther thing would be a weird thing to implement. It would need extra exposition and just doesn't do anything for the character in the end. Also, i like the shadow weaver we got. I liked that she never is redeemed and just kinda dips on everyone to make herself look better and was even snarky enough to say "you're welcome" before doing so. Would have been nice to get more explanations for things though. Why does catra wear that mask? Why does adora say that thing about grayskull? Where did they find catra? It doesnt hurt the story but it wouldve been appreciated.
I wouldn't say this Bible is perfect, there are a few ideas I like and a few ideas I don't like that the show did better. Bow, Frosta, Catra, and Entrapta are better in the show than written here. The Bible makes them come off as really unlikable. Mermista sounds about the same though calling her the "Not-Sucky Aquaman" is cringe. Hard to say if this Glimmer is better than the show. It's easy to write something down and call it better, but it's all about presentation. Sounds to me this Glimmer could have been just as bad as the show version. Plus, it sounds like she was supposed to be Adora's love interest or something judging by the jealousy and the fact she becomes a puppet to the big bad, just like Catra. The only thing I don't like about THIS Adora is the whole Secret Identity thing. What is the point of that? I do however like the explanation of Adora liking girly pretty things because of how bleak the Horde is. I also like that it makes it more apparent that she doesn't understand things like love or flirting because of the Horde upbringing and find it funny that Sea Hawk's advances don't register to her. Sea Hawk seems cooler in the Bible than in the show. Castaspella and Shadow Weaver come off as more interesting and human than in the show. Weave almost came close in the show, but fell short and Casta was just plain forgettable and boring.
I think I get it now. Step 1: Make a show bible giving the basic idea for a show. Step 2 get your ruff draft green lit. Step 3 earn the trust to have complete freedom in your project. Step 4 throw in as many gay/lesbian, (non binary/not a thing) characters as possible into your gay agenda cartoon. That's how you send your message make it all about the agenda not a good show. Ironically with that said Shera was awesome. Up for debate but to me awesome. Despite the gay agenda they actually made a show with good characters who you care about. It had character development, it was funny, it could get dark sometimes, had lots of dramatic scenes, a redemption ark. And of course romance. Lets see, Adora x catra, possible scopia x catra or perfuma, spinarella x netassa the token lesbian couple, that chick from the desert the big masculine chick saw her wink at a girl. Am I missing anyone? That's 7 lesbians off the top of my head, not Shure about perfuma. 2 homosexuals' bow's dad's. Double trouble non Binary(again that's not a thing, fight me) The whole show was gay, gay, gay, gay, GAY. So much gay I forgot there were 4 straight couples, Glimmer x bow, The king and queen, Mermista and seahawk, and Entrapta and Hordack. Blink and you'll miss them. So despite this show having the biggest gay LGBT what ever you call yourselves agenda surprisingly was still a good show. I don't mind a lesbian protagonist, wouldn't watch a homo protagonist cartoon because (your going to call me homophobic) I'm straight it doesn't interest me. I wonder if anyone can top this. Its the gayest show I've ever seen, (gayer than will and grace) and I actually liked it. Lgbt whatever you call yourselves congratulations! You did it! You got your agenda! (balloons fall everywhere) Now go fix Batwoman!
Not gonna lie. Noelle Stevenson still can’t draw good, it’s like a kindergartener who’s barely beginning. Just my opinion, but I have no idea how the show looks so much different from her work.
Quite the opposite from you-- I am surprised just how much of it stayed the same from the initial drafting stage to where things went in the show. If we were to concentrate on the first few episodes of Season 1, the differences are super minor. I don't think one could have read any romantic interest between Catra and Adora until the last season, so describing Catra as a dirtbag little sister does sound about right for those first few episodes. Generally I expect that a show would change a whole lot more than this between the initial ideas and actually producing episodes, I am surprised that some of the big latter season stuff was planned from the beginning, but maybe that's why they felt so sudden and rushed-- they were doing a different story and then suddenly had to pull things back on track to where the season was meant to end in the final 2 episodes.
I would have loved some of the deeper lore and rivalry with certain characters but I absolutely prefer the Adora and She-Ra we got. Older fans being mad about this are like me being mad about Detective Pikachu: it's not that deep.
People solely blaming Noelle for the final product are funny as if she doesn't have to answer to Dreamworks producers and executives who have power over her. These shows that get branded as "sjw" don't happen by accident, and controversy surrounding a show seems to be a good way to get eyeballs watching. Look at how many people watched High Guardian Spice, which would have just been another forgettable kids show if not for the controversy. It's a legit way to market, executives don't care about art, they want return on investment. Old school fans need to stop getting offended and understand that this is a business, and business doesn't care about artists
That's nonsense. Clearly there is a decision to take politics over earnings because we've seen numerous projects suffer this exact fate. Doing the exact opposite of what long time fans want in favor of a creator's personal agenda. Than the usual blame game after it inevitably fails or underperforms. If what you said was true, execs would overrule this shit.
2:49 „being a love interest isn‘t brought up at all“ At the end of the text: „That‘s as close as Catra will ever come to admitting that she admires Adora.“
Honestly, most of the changes were for the better. Meeting Eternians COULD have been fun, but probably wouldn‘t have been. The story it became sticked to the conflict of the protagonist and complexities of a colonialized planet way better than some generic „let‘s talk to and make peace with the colonialists and it works“. The First Ones were colonialists and it would have been not original in any way to frame them as „okay people you can get along with if you just get to know them“ or who are even helpful.
I've never heard of a Show Bible being so different to the show it's a bible for. Even the art direction looks more interesting.
They don't even believe in their own bible lol
I disagree
@@nono-hy7gb I doubt they've read it.
The fact that everyone's headpiece here looks functional makes me more annoyed with the end product.
Considering that Mattel seemed to barely advertise the series and only released tweaked Monster High toys for the She-Ra molds, I think it's safe to say they were more than a little pissed.
Especially so late in the run. Most companies release the toys BEFORE the show comes out but we didn't see any 'decent' products until well into the series itself.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid I know you said "most", but Voltron LD didn't launch with toys right off the bat.
@@harlannguyen4048 Seems to be a trend with Dreamworks, not good at working with toy makers? Either way would love to see action figures of season 4 and 5 She-ra characters they would look great. Not to mention Hordak, Shadow Weaver & a Horde tank would be neat.
@@chomper720 yeah DW sucks at doing merch most of the time. Even their Bootleg Spirit didn't plan out well with the timing
Whether this is a bait and switch or not, this really does stand as an example of what can go wrong behind the scenes. A lot of things in the Bible, while some still being obnoxious, feel like a show intended for the audience it was made for so seeing it contrast so much against what we got is shocking but at the same time not surprising.
I’m sorry but I have to disagree, the final version was better than the bible
@@dodapictures2141 the final product was just a shitty fanfiction that included some of noalle's dnd character (glimmer) and shitty shipping.
So true@@nono-hy7gb
@@nono-hy7gbas someone who used to hate glimmer back after watching season 1 i can tell you that now after i finished all 5 seasons glimmer is writen amazingly and you can tell that especially in season 4 with the conflict between her and adora
Most of the cast was developed amazingly and while the show has its flaws like any other its still written amazingly
why wasnt like 90% of the things in the "bible" not kept when its really better than what we got
Bow being a scientist instead of a reckless archer was a fine yet poorly executed change
Kinda bugged that Mermistia is referred to as being able to turn into a mermaid, rather than just being a mermaid. 80s Mermistia spent most of her screen time with her tail, which made sense because her kingdom was underwater like a mermaid kingdom should be.
Also, kinda annoyed with the Sea Hawk interpretation. (This is better than what the reboot ended up with) One of the reasons I liked him so much in the original is because they made it clear that while he admired She-Ra his heart belongs to Adora. It avoids the two-person love triangle and I thought it was nice.
Finally, someone else says it!! I was about to make a whole video detailing Mermista. But one of my biggest issues is that they treat her as a girl that can become a mermaid rather than a mermaid that can turn her fins into legs. It's a very important distinction that is always ignored! Being underwater is her normal, land is odd. Not the other way around.
Also, it would have been fun to see Mean Girl Mermista sorta hating on and complaining every time she has to use her legs. Like she makes a big deal out of it every time, but it's to hide that she just wants to hang out with her friends.
[Adora, Glimmer, Bow and Mermista at the Crystal Falls talking about some MacGuffin]
Mermista: "....Let me guess. 😑 it's on land?"
Adora: "Well...yeah-"
M: "UUGGGH!! *transforms* [exasperated] OK. Let's go! 😠"
Glimmer: "Mermista...you know... you don't HAVE to come with us."
Mermista: "It's fine! It's fine! I already have my legs on! Let's just go!"
Bow: "....So judging by the Intel we've got and my research, then what were looking for is most likely hidden somewhere in the Sea of Perzia-"
Mermista: "THE SEA?! Finally you people go somewhere sensible! Count me in!"
Bow: "Well, actually, Mermista, we-"
Mermista: "A bup-bup-bup-bup! Bow I will NOT have you ruining this for me!
[Arrives]
Bow: "So it's got to be somewhere around here."
M: "Bow....what am I looking at?"
B: "The... Sea of Perzia?"
M: "Mmhm! And can you tell me why I see no WA-TER at this SEA?"
B: "It's just not that kind of sea?"
M: "Not that ki- THEY SHOULD ALL BE THAT KIND!!"
@@unigenius They treat her like a water bender, instead of a mermaid.
What's also sad is the original Mermista was helping the rebellion despite her people's belief that the Horde is a surface people problem. (She was a double rebel)
Mermista being an apathetic mean girl is the opposite of what this character was. I'm guessing they heard the original had a French accent and began working off stereotypes about the french. (Before settling on April from Parks and Rec.)
@@CoolG97 Yeah I didn't like Mermista being that either, especially since this show is supposed to be this girl power bullshit.
Her kingdom is under attack and the first thing we see of her is sitting on her throne doing nothing. I hate it. The only positive that she has is that she's a decent leader
@@Saltedroastedcaramel And when her kingdom is completely taken over she mopes in the tub eating ice cream while her subjects are forced from their homes.
I could kinda forgive her attitude if Silenas was still underwater because it could just be that she's naive/arrogant enough to think her kingdom is invasion proof. (Which as I mentioned before was a problem with the mermaids in the original.) As is she's just comes off as apathetic. The original Mermista helped provide food for the rebellion and was ashamed by the inaction of her kingdom.
Nu-Ra has done a better job of showing why women shouldn't be in power, because they'll bail the moment being a leader is too hard or too boring.
@@CoolG97 Yeah. These girls are more one note than most girl lead cartoons. Especially the 2000s ones. They're good.
What?? So they *considered* Catra having her panther form (and giving a cool explanation for it) AND a version of Casta who's as epic as the original? Why didn't this make it in???
Because Noelle wanted some vent art. Adora having some trouble with the sword at first was supposed to be her, *Noelle* , being nervous about *writing* for DreamWorks and having to handle stuff. Like why? Imagine paying an artist to draw a portrait of you and the artist just draws themself instead.
This would have been way better then the actual Netflix show
That is not a high bar.
Not hard to do.
Ni
@@Raximus3000 the show was great wdym
Sooooo. Basically they bait and switch the Mattel producers?
Mattel, not Hasbro.
@@harlannguyen4048 Oh yeah, sorry. My bad.
*mattel
Still the result did not change.
So many IP’s have been ruined by the “bait and switch”
@@cartoonking1789
Let's hope the scammers who took part in them will get blacklisted.
This She-ra Bible is definitely an interesting direction that the series could have taken. It even brought up Adora's people as the Eternians, and cemented the fact that Adora is a princess of Eternia, rather than have Adora be a princess due to being She-ra. Sadly, still no He-man and She-ra connection, due to the rights issue. Such a shame. Nice for She-ra to have her own Bible, like He-man did prior.
It definitely sounds like the Pitch was much closer to the Original in tone.
Agreed
So it was pitched as the actual reboot fans wanted and then changed later? Because a ot of this is exactly what I wanted. It took some of the best parts of the 80s series and just ran with them while adding and expanding some new features! I'm even MORE mad about this version now!!!
This is almost like a Trojan horse for what the show ACTUALLY became lol
Seeing this Bible (although it's worded more like a pitch) makes me wonder why so much of the actual show and story changed. A lot of the ideas that were mentioned seemed genuinely interesting and could've really allowed the show to stand alongside the original if the proper amount of effort was put toward it. Truthfully, it makes the actual show even worse when the pitched ideas had so much more to them.
I think one of the more interesting things in the pitch was the relationship between Adora and Catra being a platonic "adopted sister" thing and how Catra in general wasn't as monstrous. She was evil, sure, but she's not "Let's kill a universe because I can't let Adora win" evil. It's likely that redemption would probably have been pushed for Catra anyway, but at least with pitch Catra she didn't attempt a literal universe ending atrocity.
Going off on a slight tangent, I like that there wasn't any mention of shipping in the bible/pitch thing, but it also makes me really wish there were stronger platonic bonds in the show we got. It seemed like every single person had to be matched to someone at the end, even if the relationship was unhealthy or simply had no buildup. While "the power of friendship" is a funny trope to joke about, there is a strength in genuine friendship and camaraderie. Friends can push you to new heights, pick you up when you're down, or give you a different perspective on something. Better yet, a friendship can evolve into something else, such as a brotherhood/sisterhood or perhaps a romance if you really need to add one in.
TL;DR, Bible/pitch thing is way better than actual show.
Do... you seriously think there wasn't enough friendship in the show? The show about a huge group of friends saving the world that discusses multiple versions of friendship??
@@painedgrayYep, absolutely, at least with the Best Friend Squad. Now, most of the problems circulate around Glimmer, who tends to be exceptionally bratty to her friends, ignoring Bow as much as she ignored her mother and outright accusing Adora of murdering her mother during the reality destruction fiasco in S3, not to mention the whole "working with Shadow Weaver" thing since SW was Adora's abuser. Even though Glimmer did apologize in S5, which was good, it still doesn't change the fact that Glimmer at least has been a shitty friend. There's also the issue of Catra being Catra, what with her "friendship" with Adora being a string of constant abuses and world destroying antics, and yet that's still meant to be a friendship/romance...somehow.
As for the Princess Alliance, I can't really call them friends as such. They're more like one note archetypes that don't grow beyond their restrictive role (Perfuma: pacifist flower child, Mermista: uncaring/unaffected valley girl, Frosta: child). Sure, they interact, but I don't feel like there's any real bond besides their magic bond they share with each other. This one note personality that each Princess has also means that they generally can't be multifaceted outside of something like friendship; they just "are" one thing and that's it, akin to an NPC in a game.
As for She-Ra "discussing" different types of friendships, that's not the same as proper follow through of a concept. For an example, the characters may "discuss" Catra and Scorpia's roles in the Princess Prom bombing/hostage taking operation, but there's no follow through. It doesn't really change the dynamic of the relationship for too long as both Scorpia and Catra easily become part of the Alliance, with barely any pushback on the part of the other characters
TL;DR: I don't think friendship is done properly in the show because the characters who are meant to be friends are either one note or do things that are the opposite of friend behavior
@@michaelpeacock640 I agree its alot of shipping while the friendship thing only happens a little bit.
She-Ra’s concept seemed full of potential. I feel like I’d be more interested in watching THIS version than the final product. Catra did NOT deserve a Zuko-redemption just because she’s a girl and also Catradora 😒😒😒
You know what I’m just gonna say it Sasha from amphibia is what people think catra is but done right catra could’ve been so complex if the writers kept her empathy because that scene of catra wanting to help shadow weaver made her really interesting but no let’s just make her angst evil with redemption just because it’s popular
I’m greatly disturbed and intrigued by the fact that many of the changes I made for my reimagining of MOTU as a whole (born from my frustrations with They-Rx 2018 and Kevin Smith’s Revelation) actually match up with what was pitched here in the series bible. Catra and Adora as surrogate siblings? Mermista actually having a personality? The involvement of modern-day people from Eternia? Heck, even Adora growing to embrace her femininity? It’s almost like I and whoever wrote this series’s pitch were on the same page.
It’s honestly sad that She-Ra 2018 ended up so different from what was described here. While there are some things I’d keep from the reboot for future SR revivals (big buff sweetheart Scorpia and energetic tech gal Entrapta are a must in my book), everything here sounds exciting at the most and interesting at the very least. Definitely sounds more tolerable and professiona than what we got.
Great minds think alike.
It feels like the original, only changed because they aren't confined by the episodic nature of the original. (Only thing that concerned me was Hordak. They seemed to already be leaning into Hordak having big brother/daddy issues.)
You and me both, buddy.
I never got this neotrad fixation on Adira embracing her femininity, there are way better criticism you can have about She Ra 2018. (When I first saw the picture, my first though was how the proportions looked wrong.)
Yeah embrace her femininity?
She just looks more like old she-ra Idk how that classifies as embracing femininity, there are other ways to do so other than dressing more akin to what’s considered femenine
I’ve been working with others on a rewrite project of SPOP, but this Bible gives it a whole new scope. Really, really disappointing and confusing how they went from this to the final product. Not surprised, though, considering history with the film industry.
I will say that I don’t think Noelle, if she did write this, was really that honest about their intentions. Considering how they behave with their show and with the fandom ( and a lot of other things that really hurt/upset me, personally ), I wouldn’t be surprised if they, if she was the one that wrote this, lied or gave half truths about this whole thing. Or changed their mind about their intentions behind the show.
Overall, I really wish we had the Bible version instead.
Rewrite project? I would like to hear more about it.
@@harlannguyen4048 It seems like a lot of People are working on a Rewrite for She-Ra.
Hell, I'm even trying to do one myself.
With Nettossa and Spinnerella being Princesses who actually do stuff, Hordak being a relatively competent Bad Guy, and Entrapta actually being a 30 year old Woman- who feels like her Genius is never appreciated on this Backwater Planet.
shows change alot from their first draft, also its very obvious that Glimmer in this bible was intended to be Adoras love intrest ( it literally specifies an episode about bow trying to set them up on dates)
I wanna know more about that rewrite project, where or how can I find it?
Yes, Catra and Adora were adoptive sisters. Raised by the same woman since they were babies.
So their relationship wasnt just abusive and toxic, it was kind of incest.
No it wasnt incest
As they are not blood related
@@amxthyst_spell1662 True, but it was still kinda weird.
@@amxthyst_spell1662 If anime gets flak for it, then so should this show.
Especially since it made Shadow Weaver both Catra and Adora's mother
@@Saltedroastedcaramel i mean this show has many probpems but incest isnt the probpem
Because this isnt incest as they are not blood related. And i dont really watch anime so i cant say much about that
@@amxthyst_spell1662 Step Siblings aren’t Blood Related. Are you fine with them Having a Relationship?
This show always felt like something totaly different forced into a She-ra mold just to get it on the air. Now I see I was correct.
So the Glimmer from the Bible ended up being Catra from the show
The family dynamic between Catra and Adora would have been a lot better!
Instead we got some sweet Home Alabama Beastiality.
It would not have been reported as "making history" then
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So... Noelle Stevenson pretty much just saw the bible, said, "Who needs that!?" and threw out the window?
Dude… she wrote the Bible? That was her literal job, who’s art do you think is in it?
@@greenrangeralex probably higher ups and producers? Budget maybe? Making a tv show is a lot of work
@@fridamartin-spisak7264 After reading Noelle's strange Comic Book....yes, that's *definitely* her Artstyle.
@@fridamartin-spisak7264 The characters were clearly drawn by her. Which is half of the pictures in the Bible.
Yes.
This one looks better than the one we got😅
agreed
You know even if they kept Catra and Adora as adopted siblings I would still be annoyed that Catra would be yet ANOTHER dirtbag villain that gets undeservedly redeemed simply because she a woman that you see today in most modern western media.
At least the proposed version didn't actively try to commit universal omnicide out of spite.
They still could of made them a couple though. WestAllen exist.
@@Dave102693 Yes, but I like to think that WestAllen is the exception, not the rule. Doesn't change how weird it is as a Pairing or how boring Iris is.
Shadow Weaver getting the heroic sacrifice treatment left a bad taste in my mouth. She is even less sympathetic than Hordac, and the show is trying to play the "cool misunderstood mom" card towards the end. Also Catra never once has to answer for Glimmers mom being dimensionally trapped, or any of the Horde skirmishes she lead.
@@johannesseyfried7933 I know that, but the writers still could of done it lol
This sounds so much better than we got...So what happened?
I know execution is everything, but if the show that was pitched was the one that was actually brought to the screen, it would have been better. To be a fly on the wall when the decisions were made to change the show to what it is now must be interesting, to say the least.
Will this was unexpected. And frankly if Catra sounded better within the “bible” then what we got. Frankly a lot that came from that thing sounds better then what we got
I’ll tell you right now that Mattel doesn’t care about how mean this show was about the original. Because the Revelation series’ cast was far meaner, and the new show far more damaging to MOTU than this She-Ra. And it’s 100% Mattel approved.
This
I actually like this idea a lot more. From the sisterly relationship, to none of the identity politics, to the fact that Adora has trouble being trusted by others, her liking pretty things and yeah that much better
Same! And the character designs are so interesting too! I love them a lot more.
What identity politics?
Also, they gave She-Ra classic He-Man's color palette, so her skin and hair get darker! Total secret identity!
“Identity politics” a queer character isn’t inherently politically
@@haildapail3148 their existence triggers people so bad for no good reason, lmao. sad shit
1:46 I knew they trying to copy Last Airbender just by how much they wanted Bow to be the Sokka of the series.
There was nothing original about the show we got either.
@@cartoonking1789 The only franchise they didn't take from was their own. (Even with legal issues, was fire gods in the center of the planet too much for the First Ones.)
@@CoolG97 probably because these people weren’t fans
@@cartoonking1789 Closest they got was the showrunner playing with the dolls without context.
I'd say that puts the writing on par with Barbie movies but even those had more depth than Nu-Ra. (And Barbie handled villains' fate better.)
I said something akin to it being a pitch on ClownfishTV's video on this a few weeks ago. Pretty much Stevenson's She-ra: Princess of Bait n' Switch. I wonder if this was just to get Mattel on board with her as the show runner and then they scrap it for the fanfic and diary, seeing as the moment the show as see - Mattel went silent on it. Not promotion, not toys, until forced to and no one bought them until it was on clearance. They just kept quiet. Looking at this; it might have been out of anger and betrayal, getting a this pitch and then the product being the disaster we all know.
You know despite the fact the show didn't much toys behind it I'm still happy with the final product to be perfectly honest to many cartoon series has been canceled because of toy sales so I happy this series got made in the first place
I wouldn’t be surprised.
@@animezilla4486 true.
Glitch Techs, Lolipop, He-Man 2003, Thundercats 2012, Ok-Ko, Symbiotic Titan, etc
@@Dave102693 you know I'll never understand why Cartoon Network cancel SYM Bionic Titan or Nickelodeon with glitch Tech and you know despite the fact I'm not a huge He-Man fan I did enjoyed 2003 version
@@animezilla4486 Toy sales (or even having a toy line to begin with) can be the deciding factor on if the show gets canceled or not, but it can also be due to other factors like low viewership and such.
It almost seems like the show bible was used to trick Mattel into letting Noelle get her mitts on the show and make it her tumblr therapy fanfiction.
It certainly feels that way. Especially with how once the series was over that new amazon show was quickly brought into the picture.
The only thing I Hope that comes from this version of She-Ra is that Mattel NEVER lets it happen again.
Let's cross our fingers that the live action Amazon series is good...
The way the IPs for She-Ra and He-Man were split back in the day is nothing but trouble and frustration for the fans. We probably won't see any other She-Ra characters in the Origins line and because of the Netflix disaster we aren't likely to see a She-Ra sister line come out either although that would be glorious.
I'm very happy to see you both tackle the series bible! When I first saw it leaked on Twitter, it more or less confirmed a lot of suspicions I had about the show not being well-planned or worked out. One of my mutuals said it best, but it definitely feels more like a pitch. Don't get me wrong, series bibles CAN AND HAVE BEEN used as pitches in the past, but they have to be tailored for that pitch and be well-put together.
Let's honestly ask ourselves a question here...if Noelle Stevenson was not already part of the animation network/clique, do you think this would honestly get through? In my earnest opinion, no. Mainly because certain elements like the story-telling, worldbuilding, and characters are so poorly laid out that I doubt if this was an OG IP it would've been picked up.
That being said, there are some elements I wished that got reworked from the OG series bible, not because they're great ideas, but are just far better than what we actually got in the end. Oh well.
Why tf didn't they stick with this, I feel like I would've enjoyed this one. Maybe not as much, but at least it'd be bearable and it sounds like it'd be fun
Maybe
The only good thing about the new She-Ra has been hearing you two wonderful ladies talk about it
Still shocks me that they didn't stick with the plan.
I do wonder how many of the changes ere due to executive meddling from Netflix.
I think they pitched something they had no intention of actually delivering on.
Show Netflix what gets the money, take that money and make something else.
By the time Netflix realizes it was duped, they have to release it to fill the schedule.
Being Netflix they just shrug it off, release it and figure they just won't renew.
Not like the first season completely sucked.
But then they sic the Twitter mafia in to action and what do you know. More seasons.
Seems that's how everything is done now.
It was commissioned for 52 episodes. So they were screwed the moment they greenlit it.
Yeah that’s not what happened it’s actually pretty normal for shows to not go with the pilot idea like take victor and Valentino for example the pilot was about the boys knowing that the grandma knew the town was weird but the actual show doesn’t do that and the show sometimes doesn’t even bother with the supernatural stuff also naruto was originally just a kid fox creature trying to complete his mission of having a friend and there were no ninjas
If I had more credits as a writer as I am as a animator, I wouldn’t mind doing this reboot as one of my projects...
Just here to say I'd REALLY want to see that seafaring episode with Adora being all like "we are here for business, what's this guy even doing" and Seahawk being his best Errol Flynn self...
Such wasted potential especially after listening to this whole bible
That’s the show in a nutshell
@@cartoonking1789 She-Ra and the Princesses of Wasted Potential
@@johannesseyfried7933 She-Ra and how to screw up absolutely everything.
@@sergeybin2390 Who knows? Maybe all the Critics who tell us how amazing and fun the She-Ra Reboot is were actually talking about *this* Version.
Produced in an alternate Dimension by a Guy named Noah Stevenson.
The she ra that could have been
The Bible the irony in the statement. this show doesn't follow what the Bible says.
Oh this is the different one, thank God
This version probably would’ve been cool to see this gives me ideas for my own stuff
Thanks for the upload
Ohhhh what could've been. It's a really potential filled idea, it sounds like its a little more serious that it's 80's counterpart but I still like the pitch. Sad that it decided to go off the grid and ended up getting lost and confused in the process. They had the blueprints RIGHT THERE and decided to get all fan-fiction with it and that makes me very disappointed.
Also isn't that a little interesting tidbit that catra and adora went from sisters to lovers
GEEZ! Who do we have to pay to get *this version* made? I would watch it for sure!
You know even if we got the show the Bible pitched I still think it would suck because of the people working on it.
The Bible pitch interests me much more than the “Ship-Ra” that Netflix actually published.
Somehow this is simultaneously better and worse than what we got. I would be polished on the designs but the descriptions INTACT. None of that would chenestry or lack there of. Especially when they did with DT. They did her dirty she dose NOT look like a lizard dude
The difference between this show Bible and the final product is so staggering. What were they thinking going with the final product instead of this?
I'm still bitter we missed out on a tanned She-Ra. Dark skin + light hair is my favourite combination. It helps that it's a much better design than the nonsense final design for She-Ra.
Clownfish also did a video on this. I prefer the designs in the She-ra Bible and the pitches sound better than what we got.
But I still don’t think I would have liked the show.
I’m a fan of the MOTU franchise since the eighties and I did watched SheRa as a kid not just for heman and friends even skeletor as guests and not just hordak whom was in my heman toys but also I had a thing for Adora, Catra, Frosta, glimmer and mermista. Plus Seahawk was a badass masculine figure in the original show.
This ideal reboot would had been more like Mike young’s awesome heman reboot but what we got with noelle’s was an abortion.
At least the original designs for an ideal reboot would had made Adora look like a woman and not like a boy
Old video but I barely got ten episodes into She-Ra (Netflix) for several reasons, ALL of which I won't get into, but mainly because I felt it missed the feel of the original. I'd only seen a few episodes of the original show but I liked it way more because even though it was campy, it KNEW it was campy and was having fun. The new show felt so removed, like it shared the names of the characters and nothing else. It was CONSTANTLY filled with angst, which was exhausting to watch. Given Stevenson's insistence that the new show should be made with love in relation to the original, I'm curious as to how and when that insistence fell through...
Another great video, M and J. The new She-Ra bible is certainly very interesting, and I do like a lot of what it had. Not everything is perfect, but there is a part of me who generally wants to see this as a show instead of what we got. I've wanted to do a rewrite fanfic of the show, but I haven't actually done it for a couple of reasons: I've been busy with college work, and I didn't yet know how to really set up the story and characters (my thoughts can get very scattered). Thanks to this bible, I feel like I have more direction and focus for how I want the story to go. I think the way I want to write my fanfic is in a novel-like format with different perspectives telling it, like Heroes of Olympus. For those who don't know the book series, the story is in third person, with you seeing a character's thoughts without them directly narrating. For the beginning of the story, and most of what can be considered a first season, the story would be told from 4 perspectives. Adora would have mostly through hers for the most part, but also moments where see things from the point of view from Catra, Glimmer, and Bow. Over time, we see the story from the perspective of more characters, most importantly the other Princesses. I don't want this comment to get too long, so I'll post my thoughts on what I want to do with the characters, and how their interpretations will be based on A) What I liked from the bible, B) What I liked from the show (there was definitely some), C) What I like from what little I know from the original (I will try to watch more), and D) my own personal preferences.
This is what happens when pandering and shipping get in the way of potential good stories & characters
I agree
Wow this sounds like a way better show instead of the LGBT shipbait we got.Im guessing the writers thought it needed the "woke" touch to really sell it.
This is literally the opposite of what happened with Sonic’s series Bible.
Ah the Sonic Bible...
Pitch Bibles are a thing that exist. It's what you must do when you're pitching the show. It never stays the same for the entire production. Just check the Avatar pitch bible, it was quite different as well. Everything changes once designers and writers are hired.
Ah, no....this reeks of the same misery and 'I bet others' felt seeing the much more faithful to the book HTTYD we could've had looking at the official
art book DreamWorks released. Not only did I like the artwork better, the fact that Hiccup was still a young boy, Fishlegs was still his thin
glass's wearing best friend, the dragons were still slaves, Old Wrinkly was there along with the whole enter the cave and knab your dragon
sequence from the very opening it hurts most deeply. And the upcoming Dragons: The Nine Realms show 'set 1'300 years in
the future' just leaves me feeling betrayed and locked away much like Furious: The True Dragon King!
I remember watching the film before reading the books. It would have been cool to do a faithful adaptation, but I liked the first 2 films (hadn't seen the third one yet, but I heard it was good).
I can't say much about the Books, but I did find the Movies very well made.
They just aren't really faithful Adaptations.
Hell, when HttyD first came out, I didn't even KNOW there was a Book Series!
@@harlannguyen4048 I can put up
with the first two movies but
I really don't like the last
one. There wasn't much to
take note of other than
Toothless X Lightfury, and
they 'much like Race to the Edge'
added a ton of unneeded
'comedic' filler scenes.
Not to mention Grimwald
is just a lesser version of
that shows Vigo Grimborn,
which is for me the one
saving grace that series
had.
I won't say anything on
the official ending, but on
the video 'How The Hidden
World should've ended'
(If it's still up) I wrote my
own ending that was much
closer to the meaning
and tone of the book
series ending.
People did seem to like
my version better!
The people behind the films made the mistake of assuming the books were too childish to be taken seriously. Once you get past the drawings and juvenile humor you see that it is a very unforgivable world. They tried to give the films the same ending as the books and it just didn't land properly.
This is a totally different show. I hope it Aires one day
To anyone: how much of this bible do you feel was Noelle?
Well, the Drawings were probably done by her. I would recognize this Artstyle anywhere after I read through her last Comic.
The art is 100% hers; but the pitched material in it is fairly close to the original on many fundamentals and Stevenson claimed she never watched the show until after it was greenlit. She claimed the only experience she had with the IP was hand-me-down toys.
I agree tho
This sounds like a better show. I wish some higher ups at Dreamworks would kick Stevenson’s ass out the door and commission more talented (and non-woke) writers and animators and make THIS show a reality.
First, need to throw out of Dreamworks those who hired Stevenson.
I really loved the show what they gave us but this isn't bad neither.
I would have loved to see this show!
So they actually made Catra more of a bitch than she needed to be by purposely opening the portal knowing full well it will kill everyone opposed to doing it unknowingly and they didn’t think her doing it on purpose would make her more unlikeable and impossible to be redeemed?
What am I saying of course they did, because they have no actual writers on this show just a bunch of people they grabbed from tumblr because their political views lined up with theirs.
So true.
There are fictional characters that are worse than catra they got reedeem
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Omni man (Invincible)
Endeavor (My Hero Academia)
@@animezilla4486 At least two of those redeem themselves on their own volition.
So what I'm saying is D.V, Omni man and Endeavor (and especially Endeavor) are better than Catra.
Catra is 🗑️.
And another thing:
Darth Vader: Dies after he helped Luke
Omni man: Never watched the show but I'm assuming he's an immortal alien and unlike Nu ra, the show isn't over yet. It only had one season and we have to wait for season 2.
Endeavor: MHA isn't done yet, Endeavor actually does have a redemption arc (something Catra doesn't have) realize his own failings as a parent (Catra only helped because she was about to get brainwashed), only his wife and daughter are willing to forgive him unlike his sons so he's still not completely forgiven, and he loses something at the end. It says something that a character that was originally made to be unlikable has a better character development than a character that was changed to be a likable love interest.
I don't know why you even bother to compare them to that plot armor imbecile cat girl. It just makes her worse.
@@Saltedroastedcaramel because the characters that I mentioned have done far worse than catra Omni man has Slaughtered many Innocent Lives and doesn't care about it even beating his own son to near death but he gets a Redemption Arc. Endeavor in the beginning wanted to have a child so that they can surpass all might, his son nearly got killed when he was trying to practice his flame quirk after that Endeavor never changes his ways until near the war Arc actor has revealed that his son was not only alive but was the serial killer Dabi Endeavor truly reap what he sows
@@animezilla4486 And Catra is a girl who only cared about power and is willing to destroy the universe because her girlfriend wanted to be a better person. She had no problems taking over countries and only became good because someone put her in her place. Since I've never watched Invisible, I can say that least Endeavor's story he had lasting effects on his life. Catra had a slap on the wrist for her actions.
Once again, it says something that Catra is terrible than villains that's done worse or in Endeavor's case originally made to be unlikable.
She's still a Mary Sue bitch at the end of the day.
And the worse part is that her motives in the pitch bible made more sense than the final product. She's just an idiot that got lucky.
Some things would have been nice to see in the end product but I very much still enjoy the final product.
Me too
Same, minus Catra and Hordak. Fuck those characters!
Can you review clementine comic from the walking dead
I saw this a couple of days ago. It fixes some fundamental flaws with the show (more like the show added them for not reason) but it still isn't as good as it could be.
Of course now that it's over there is no much else for them to do.
From the looks of it...it's kind of like they threw out the more quality stuff for the LGBT+ appease stuff.
I always thought that Catra and Adora should have been sisters
I possibly would've preferred this pitch version, than the finished product.
Since the word Bible was brought up and since the "She-ra Bible" sounds so much better than what Dreamworks actually gave us, I feel compelled to quote a Bible verse to sum it all up:
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times many will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings will come from hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron." --1 Timothy 4:1-2
Go back to the Veggie Tales forums
I like the version we got TBH...minus catra and adora being shipped.
I understand that they werent raised as siblings per say..they were more of orphans in the same foster care. It comes off as strange but, it could just be my own assumption that orphans in that situation would assume their peers as siblings.
I like the catra we got though. Shes frustrating but complicated and relatable. She struggles with things much more complicated than "i cant profit off of you!"
Also, i think the transforming into a panther thing would be a weird thing to implement. It would need extra exposition and just doesn't do anything for the character in the end.
Also, i like the shadow weaver we got. I liked that she never is redeemed and just kinda dips on everyone to make herself look better and was even snarky enough to say "you're welcome" before doing so.
Would have been nice to get more explanations for things though.
Why does catra wear that mask?
Why does adora say that thing about grayskull?
Where did they find catra?
It doesnt hurt the story but it wouldve been appreciated.
I wouldn't say this Bible is perfect, there are a few ideas I like and a few ideas I don't like that the show did better. Bow, Frosta, Catra, and Entrapta are better in the show than written here. The Bible makes them come off as really unlikable. Mermista sounds about the same though calling her the "Not-Sucky Aquaman" is cringe. Hard to say if this Glimmer is better than the show. It's easy to write something down and call it better, but it's all about presentation. Sounds to me this Glimmer could have been just as bad as the show version. Plus, it sounds like she was supposed to be Adora's love interest or something judging by the jealousy and the fact she becomes a puppet to the big bad, just like Catra. The only thing I don't like about THIS Adora is the whole Secret Identity thing. What is the point of that? I do however like the explanation of Adora liking girly pretty things because of how bleak the Horde is. I also like that it makes it more apparent that she doesn't understand things like love or flirting because of the Horde upbringing and find it funny that Sea Hawk's advances don't register to her. Sea Hawk seems cooler in the Bible than in the show. Castaspella and Shadow Weaver come off as more interesting and human than in the show. Weave almost came close in the show, but fell short and Casta was just plain forgettable and boring.
I quite agree
I think I get it now. Step 1: Make a show bible giving the basic idea for a show. Step 2 get your ruff draft green lit. Step 3 earn the trust to have complete freedom in your project. Step 4 throw in as many gay/lesbian, (non binary/not a thing) characters as possible into your gay agenda cartoon. That's how you send your message make it all about the agenda not a good show. Ironically with that said Shera was awesome. Up for debate but to me awesome. Despite the gay agenda they actually made a show with good characters who you care about. It had character development, it was funny, it could get dark sometimes, had lots of dramatic scenes, a redemption ark. And of course romance. Lets see, Adora x catra, possible scopia x catra or perfuma, spinarella x netassa the token lesbian couple, that chick from the desert the big masculine chick saw her wink at a girl. Am I missing anyone? That's 7 lesbians off the top of my head, not Shure about perfuma. 2 homosexuals' bow's dad's. Double trouble non Binary(again that's not a thing, fight me) The whole show was gay, gay, gay, gay, GAY. So much gay I forgot there were 4 straight couples, Glimmer x bow, The king and queen, Mermista and seahawk, and Entrapta and Hordack. Blink and you'll miss them. So despite this show having the biggest gay LGBT what ever you call yourselves agenda surprisingly was still a good show. I don't mind a lesbian protagonist, wouldn't watch a homo protagonist cartoon because (your going to call me homophobic) I'm straight it doesn't interest me. I wonder if anyone can top this. Its the gayest show I've ever seen, (gayer than will and grace) and I actually liked it. Lgbt whatever you call yourselves congratulations! You did it! You got your agenda! (balloons fall everywhere) Now go fix Batwoman!
Would’ve loved a goth Entrapta
Reminds me of lumberjanes
Still feel like Catradora had one of the greatest potentials to become something Big..... But they ruined it
Not gonna lie. Noelle Stevenson still can’t draw good, it’s like a kindergartener who’s barely beginning. Just my opinion, but I have no idea how the show looks so much different from her work.
But she’s got a quirky tumblr style and that makes money…somehow.
@@cartoonking1789 Likely because like the cal-arts shit, its cheaply made.
I never heard of it question is it better or worse and bible
Wait...this is real....? Uhh okay....
If current rights stop separating the Twins of Power, that would be great.
i agree that the entrapta we got was soooooo much better imo she carries the show for me lmao- and im a sucker for entrapdak
I like Razz can't blame her 😢 She misses her friend, she made a pie😢 Glimmer little bit better😊....... BUT NO!!! SHE DIDN'T NOT SAVE HER MOTHER!!!😠
This is bullshit! We could of had something like this for the she-ra reboot and they just, bait and switch?! WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL???
Hey guys
Quite the opposite from you-- I am surprised just how much of it stayed the same from the initial drafting stage to where things went in the show. If we were to concentrate on the first few episodes of Season 1, the differences are super minor. I don't think one could have read any romantic interest between Catra and Adora until the last season, so describing Catra as a dirtbag little sister does sound about right for those first few episodes. Generally I expect that a show would change a whole lot more than this between the initial ideas and actually producing episodes, I am surprised that some of the big latter season stuff was planned from the beginning, but maybe that's why they felt so sudden and rushed-- they were doing a different story and then suddenly had to pull things back on track to where the season was meant to end in the final 2 episodes.
I would have loved some of the deeper lore and rivalry with certain characters but I absolutely prefer the Adora and She-Ra we got. Older fans being mad about this are like me being mad about Detective Pikachu: it's not that deep.
I prefer the Catra we got but the She-ra doodles is better than season 1 to 4 design wise for sure. 😁
what
People solely blaming Noelle for the final product are funny as if she doesn't have to answer to Dreamworks producers and executives who have power over her. These shows that get branded as "sjw" don't happen by accident, and controversy surrounding a show seems to be a good way to get eyeballs watching. Look at how many people watched High Guardian Spice, which would have just been another forgettable kids show if not for the controversy. It's a legit way to market, executives don't care about art, they want return on investment. Old school fans need to stop getting offended and understand that this is a business, and business doesn't care about artists
That's nonsense. Clearly there is a decision to take politics over earnings because we've seen numerous projects suffer this exact fate. Doing the exact opposite of what long time fans want in favor of a creator's personal agenda. Than the usual blame game after it inevitably fails or underperforms. If what you said was true, execs would overrule this shit.
2:49 „being a love interest isn‘t brought up at all“
At the end of the text: „That‘s as close as Catra will ever come to admitting that she admires Adora.“
Still bad but better than what we got.
Honestly, most of the changes were for the better. Meeting Eternians COULD have been fun, but probably wouldn‘t have been. The story it became sticked to the conflict of the protagonist and complexities of a colonialized planet way better than some generic „let‘s talk to and make peace with the colonialists and it works“. The First Ones were colonialists and it would have been not original in any way to frame them as „okay people you can get along with if you just get to know them“ or who are even helpful.
Honestly if the bible version was ever really considered to be made... I'm glad it wasn't.