ABSOLUTELY GAMEBREAKING! Echo Pity Exists In Wuthering Waves?!
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
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WUWA ECHO PITY?!
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I woke up to alot of comments and I will definitely check it out later but farm away as you wish people!
Is this still available? Or is patched?
Mtashed made a video about yours! He cites you and all :] but to be fair the algorhythm also blessed you haha, you were in my recommended yesterday. Keep up the great content! Loved this video c: and thank you for sharing
hey kokkygachas I would like to mention that havoc dreadmane is the best elite class to farm pity for elites as I think they spawn infinitely? I could be wrong but I've killed a lot of them already and never seem to ran out of them
If this ever get patched can you update us?
Hey Kokky, I noticed something while farming echoes with your 50/50 method and wanted to tell you in case you wanted to check it out. At level 17 where the rate becomes 50/50 it seems like the echoes that drop alternate in 3/4s so basically from the bosses it's 3 purples in a row, sometimes 4 then 3 Golds in a row, this seemed to happen quite frequently as I farmed all day yesterday, just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to test this
This video:
- straight to the point and less than 10 mins
- contains actual useful info
- backed up by numbers
I just got my first usable electro dmg heron thanks to this. subbed!
Refreshing to have new information to add to the discussion rather than the same info posted 10 times by the same 10 creators. No shade to them, you do what you gotta for the algorithm, but very nice work regardless.
Its good info, but practically speaking actually not so crazy and here's why. Say you want Monster A and you don't want Monster B. Presume you kill Monster A and get no echo, so the pity is 3 right? You go over to Monster B to "build your pity". But Monster B can drop an echo before pity as well, ruining the pity. So it ends up that you are going around killing monsters you don't want, since you can absolutely can get 2 echoes of Monster A back to back, as well as when you go to build pity on Monster B, and it's not a strict 1 every 4 kills.
For boss monsters, I suppose this would be somewhat faster, but also more tedious, as instead of doing something else like farming other echoes while the boss is respawning, you have to teleport somewhere else, and spend effort fighting a boss that gives you nothing, then come back. During my testing I found that by the time I was done killing the 2nd boss and teleport back to the first, the first hadn't respawned yet, so I still had to wait. This plus the fact that you can also get 2 boss echoes in a row on the same boss (first try is a legit 20%), makes you wonder if it's worth going back and forth. The 2nd boss can also ruin your "pity".
It is useful if you hate coop.
@@michaelblue4619 no no there are ways to exploit it :
First for overlord and calamity boss it basically means that the drop rate isn't 20% but between 40 and 50% which is HUGELY better
as for elite class, there are mobs that are worse to farm than other, but you still wanna farm the less worth it ones, for instance :
Let's say i'm building an Encore team and a Havoc Rover team, then i need fusion and havoc mobs, there's the havoc dreadmane which can drop both,
so what i can do is farm any Havoc or fusion elite mob, and whenever i see that i missed 3 in a row, i focus an havoc dreadmane.
@@michaelblue4619 wait you're right this is kinda useless lmao for both 3 and 4 cost actually. It would be useful if the mobs werent infinite with coop but you can just kill the same mob instead of building pity which is a risk + the 4 cost are easy enough to get
@@michaelblue4619 I would actually say the elite drop pity more useful in a lot of circumstances. For example, currently I am farming two havoc sets for Havoc Rover and Danjin. What's been happening the past couple of days is that I have pretty much cleared the entire map of havoc drops and yet havent gotten anything useful.
So, in this case, I can go kill elites that I'm not specifically targeting but wouldnt mind getting in between my targeted elites. For example, on my way over to the roseshrooms I'll kill a couple of monkey along the way. Sure, there will be times that your "pity" is ruined but this still doesn't lower the drop rates for the Havoc set. Especially since the drop rates outside of pity is fairly low at 20%, I think the strategy of killing just two elites after a drop before going back to your targeted elite can make farming much more streamlined.
Takes a much longer time, yes, but if you're limited by the number of mobs that you are trying to farm this pity manipulation is a godsend.
Edit: with coop its a lot less useful, but that said I think strategically killing elites when you are traveling from pack to pack will definitely help a fair bit still.
For bosses, this also is useful since right now we can optimize boss kill times to be so fast you can go kill another boss and come back before the first boss respawns. So, I could kill lampy, if he drops an echo I go kill monkey before he lampy respawns and hopefully monkey doesn't drop echo. If monkey doesn't drop echo, my next lampy is guaranteed. If monkey does drop echo, nothing lost anyway since I would be waiting for lampy to respawn regardless.
@@nenrikido2903 For overlord and calamity boss, knowing pity exists wont change anything because you will still get the same number in a farming session. I guess the benefit is you can feel better and not scared of farming knowing it's not 20% haha.
For Elite class, why farm something you don't want first? If you have infinite time in a day I suppose you can farm all the not important ones instead of the important ones first, but you can also coop and farm dreadmane alone all day. Farming one monster to extinction already takes quite some time daily.
This may just be the most important information on the meta of this game. It's crazy that this wasn't told us
@@syllanchan4528 Yes, but every class has their own pity count, so basically just disconnected. There are commons (with pity 8), there are elites (with pity 4), there are overlords (with pity 2, those are your normal field bosses like crownless) and calamities (with pity 2, those are your weekly bosses like dreamless).
For bosses, basically everytime you don't get a drop, you are guranteed one next time.
getting right echo is like 1/3 of the way anyway rolling good subs and actually having materials for that is another hell of itself
@@suony450920% drop rate --> 50/50 chance to drop gold at DB 18 --> right main stat --> having enough exp (Goodluck with that) --> rolling the right substats are a whole different story : D
I actually like that they didn't tell us. The secrets of game mechanics and finding them is one of the best aspects of any new game.
As a tash man once said: This changes everything!
"NEW ECHO FARMING METHOD, AVOID THESE MISTAKES BEFORE YOU BRICK YOUR ACCOUNT" lol
If this is true, then this will completely change how popularised rng gear systems works in gacha games, players now would expect a sort of pity in gear system
I certainly wouldn't wanna play a gacha game without a pity for its gear system in the future.
Tash man couldn't beat an easy boss yesterday after 2 hrs of trying. He ended the stream and hasn't been seen since
@@AngieB12345he quit confirmed
@@AngieB12345 PGR moment
noticed the same thing today farming bosses, crazy how there's not more people talking about it yet haha. love the 3 cost tech of using pity on the ones you're after! also i've seen people discuss a potential bug with the 15 pity a week, making your drops guaranteed on certain bosses but now i believe its just this mechanic doing its thing and not a bug after all?
Well yeah its only been less than a week
idk if im dumb but i didnt understand whats he saying, could u explain
Love this shit
The 15 pity isnt a bug at all lmao, its a exhanced drop rate for bosses you get every week, the first 15 bosses have an increased drop rate of 80% instead of 20% if you are databank level 18, if you are databank level 20 then its 100% instead. This information is in the databank level up screen
The thinking is that even after you exhaust your 15 drops the drop chance should be just 20% not 1 in every 2
Fun fact! If you see a td glowing yellow, kill it. It has 100% echo drop chance (only seen common and elite class so far)
That's a shiny with a different colour scheme :)
@@leson1992Nah those are different things, I found a phantom rock golem the other day but a glowing yellow turtle that gave me a green
Noticed that the glowing ones (not shiny), in my case also are from an element they are not normally are
@@leson1992 glowing one with usual colour, shiny one is glowing but with different colour
Thank you. Finally someone who actually explains how this works and the math behind it.
came from the link on someone's vid covering your discovery to say amazing work noticing it and properly testing it before making a video about it, so thanks for the hard work!
Great find and thanks for sharing!
This is amazing! Thank you so much!! What a great discovery, man!
This is awesome. Excellent research!
This was sooooo informative and is going to be so useful for echo farming moving forward. Thank you so much for your research, and I'm almost 100% certain your work will have a big impact on the community in the next few days!!
From what I understood (for those who dont understand):
Say you want a 3 star echo A. You will have to fight other 3 star echoes B, C, D and hope they don't drop and come to A again in the fourth time. That way you have a guarenteed echo drop on A. If B, C or D drops then you have to fight 2 other 3 star echoes and hope they don't drop and then return to A.
For example, you want A. You fight B and don't get a drop. However, you fight C and get a drop. So now you have to fight D, E, F and hope to not get a drop and then return to A. That way you get a guarenteed drop on A.
yo thank you so much I have a bird brain so this helps me a lot
this would be inefficient though, because it'll always have a chance to drop before the 4th one, so just keep farming the one you need.
if you kill the one you need 3x, just make sure you dont waste the guaranteed echo drop with a random on your 4th kill
Just wonder, why not just keep farming A? What's the difference of keep farming A vs farm B, C, D, E, F to camp pity then fight A? Afterall it's possible to get A consecutively too right? In that case if I want A, might as well keep farming A?
@@888lkw no bc first of all, the 3 star echoes are only limited and resets after a day so basically if you wanted to keep on farming on A echoes then all of them would be gone before you can even get all their echoes, so by this pity system, farming B, C, D, E, and F, you'd have 100% chance on getting the echoes from A, and no you can't get A's consecutively, at least what the data says
Does it apply to the boss section? Bosses like Crownless, Dreamless, Turtle and so on? I did not get the boss part and your explanation is very simple and understandable. Thanks
Man. I knew a little bit about the boss pity but this goes way deeper than I expected. Great info!
Great find, helps with efficency a ton, thanks
I immediately subscribed when you showed the excel file, I love UA-camrs who give stats like this
Wow thanks for this!
hey man, just wanted to say i appreciate your video. it's short, informative, is actually tested to certain extent, goes straight to the points and doesn't drag on and on and on and ends up getting sidetracked, like most other videos. im not throwing shades, its fun sometimes but there are times where you just one strictly info only, and this is one of those moments. thanks again man
Awesome work man!
knew about the 2-pity on calamity/ overlord but didn't know about the 4-pity on the 3-cost echoes. Great find!!
Hey I just noticed something too! When farming the Hoochief for my Jiyan, I kept getting the sets alternating. Like for the 5 stars it's usually Aero, Healing, Aero, Healing. Tho I cannot completely confirm it, I think it's worth testing too!
Im sure well figure out the system in a few months
@@haruyanto8085 i will love kuro games if there's actually a pity system in this echoes, it makes me want to farm more due to the fact that i will get my desired sets lmao
I can actually check the sets i got based on the time i got the echo. Will report back if i get the time to do that Edit: I didn't notice any pattern as I gotten duped sets in consecutive drops but it might be a bigger pattern though I think it might not be as meaningful as the main roll is still the main stat roll
Thank you for sharing
Great info! Ty
this changes everything...
Absolutely crazy analysis great video
that is some crazy dedication and the fact you proved it too. Well done man i didn't think there was a set pity for echos
crazy how the last video I saw of you was your farewell video on Ragnarok Origin Global. Very helpful discovery that would absolutely help everyone who watches your video!
Informative! Glad I found your channel, man.
Thank you for this information mr Kokky. I know about the overlord monster one but didn't know about the Elites. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING (true to some extent)
bro thx for all your work
Thank you for testing the 3 cost as well
liked and subscribed, nice work finding this
holy crap great find man thanks for the info!!
Yea friend, you deserve the recognition.
Evrytime i share this information, i'll send the link to this video, thx a lot for the hard work.
Dude this info is a god send! You single handedly just saved so much time for everyone who plays the game farming for echos. We will remember you well!
thanks, really helpful!
Thanks man
Thank you! Groundbreaking info.
Really great find, especially knowing you can manipulate the 3* ones since they don't respawn every minute like the bosses do, gonna make target farming much easier.
Great video!
Wonderful video thanks
Legend. Ty for this Kokky
Awesome, thanks!
Wow great content! This literally changes how I will be farming!
Great info mate
Hats off to you Sir. Thats dedication right there
Omg! I actually figured the different drop rates during release day, but I had no idea that the class of the enemy had any meaning! Thanks 😊
Very useful, thank you 😊
this indeed helps narrow down the farming a lot , but then i cant really lvl them up cause of materials, but i guess this indeed can help with Reroll process a lot more !
You my friend ventured into unknown lands no one knew and you shared those treasures you found for the people to enjoy. Subscibed
Good work. This changes everything... A sub for that
Thank you!
omg thankyou! slowly climbing my way out of echo hell lmao
thanks for the effort
This information is actually so valuable for 3 cost echoe farming! Thanks a bunch!!
It's actually not that great and here's why. Say you want Monster A and you don't want Monster B. Presume you kill Monster A and get no echo, so the pity is 3 right? You go over to Monster B to "build your pity". But Monster B can drop an echo before pity as well, ruining the pity. So it ends up that you are going around killing monsters you don't want.
@@michaelblue4619
It's actually a scientific approach to echo farming. Since he waa able to show us data and probability, it's more efficient than going around the map to hunt and not getting yung desired 3cost echo.
@@michaelblue4619Yeah but you don't use up the limited 3 cost echoes that you ACTUALLY want and actually get more chance to roll for better main stat and echo set. Its not useless
@@michaelblue4619 the idea is that you want to guarantee you get the echo you want. even if monster B drops u dont want to take that chance on the echos you do want. you build the pity and make sure u 100 percent of the time get the echo u want. I believe this method does take longer but it removes the rng of farming a specific echo. plus you can use monster B echo into crafting other echos or even pick a monster that you dont mind getting but do not prefer it over the monster A.
@@whyvern6817 But most of the time when you farm echoes, you wont make it to the 4 pity. Just try it yourself. The probability of getting at least one echo from 3 units is around 50%. You could also get 3 echoes from 3 units. You just end up spending alot of time farming echoes you don't really want. Alternatively you can just join coop and farm the one you actually want all day.
I guess it's just the amount of time you have to play a day versus the limit of monsters (that can be removed if you coop).
I had a similar experience on all overload bosses besides specifically crownless, maybe because u need to summon crownless, idk but crownless always felt like 10-30% drop rate.
thanks for exploring the pity, it sure will help me.
Nice research dude, thanks👍
Was watching this in my car and the knock at :25 scared me so bad it sounded to real.
0:25 🤣
Also traffic light , who knows it flash beam to us....
"watching" I hope you mean listening lol
Guys don’t worry I was parked
Thank you broooo
in the name of science we thank you for this valuable information
The dreamless farm is what’s broken. The farm is a lot faster than any other method
What's dreamless farm?
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@@OkSeardreamless is an echo and he’s saying he was farming for her drop/ i think
@@OkSear Dreamless boss isn't on a respawn timer and she's instanced. This means you can set her level to easy (40?), enter her instance, kill her, and port out. Repeat without waiting on the standard 3 minute boss respawn timer and she's significantly easier being able to adjust her level but maintain the same echo system.
@@setcamper ahh okay, thanks
This is insane bro God bless your soul for this find
Bro, thank you✨
Thanks a lot man
This is great information to know and I think it explains why it took me 3 hours to get a purple whiff whaff... I was fighting everything I ran across in between running to whiff whaffs
Thanks!!
W video bro already shared
amazing video!
Thank you for ur research it is really helpful
I noticed this pattern when I was farming for Dreamless and Bell-Borne. I thought someone must have discovered this long ago but I'm not too sure. It did expedited my Echo farming on both bosses, lol. Also, glad you mentioned the class difference since when I switched from Dreamless (Calamity) - Bell-Born (Calamity) to Dreamless (Calamity) - Ghost Rider (Overlord), it didn't work, lol.
holy moly this is a revolutionary discovery this will help me so much ty for sharing this instead of just keeping it to yourself!
Awesome job dude! This will really help us who farm ;D
This is very useful to know, thanks bro! ❤ Also nice timing, I just unlocked Gold Echoes 😂
I once had 2 instances where 3 fire salamanders (1 is a leader) dropped their echoes. Pretty neat.
this truly changes everything
THANK YOU MY GOAT AND SAVIOR
Yo thank you so much
i love how straight to the point this is!! i learned so much in 5 mins
This changes everything.
Thanks Kokky for the info! No wonder I cant get my Violet Heron because I keep killing others Elite class when on my way to purple birb 😂
You earned a sub dude thanks this was very helpful for data bank farming
Thanks for the great video! You confirmed my theory of Echo drop rate having pity.
this is absolutely crazy bro. i love u :)
I love how in every game, players use good ol' SCIENCE to figure out the mechanics and optimal results for their games. This is good data and very useful information for that hardcore minmaxing echo grinding. Concise and well explained. Thank you for all your time; this is truly an incredible contribution to the community.
Finally someone with useful informations no bullshit !
Keep up the good work
Thanks! I got some farming ahead of me. As I think they are going to change this sometime so the 20% is closer to actual.
The drop rate is working as intended, pity is a different system, you have an universal 20% chance of dropping an echo but if you fail the number of attempts, the game takes pity on you and forces the echo to spawn.
I noticed the 50% pattern of bosses when I was farming Dreamless, but I just assumed it was a bug (considering all the other bugs atm that made sense to me), but I never thought it could be a pity system and work on all mobs as well. Really nice video!
For my current experience it’s still a bug. My chances got reset and after using all of them I fought dreamless 4 times and it didn’t drop anything
Thanks bro
great video. gained a sub instantly. looking forwards to more videos from you!
in my testing
the dreamless level 45 domain doesnt need to farm bell to proc the pity, u can do dreamless continuously and it will drop every other time guaranteed
This also works back then in ToF. There are hidden pitty for the chest gold equip spawns
Woahhh a true researcher !!!
I'm really LEARNING now 😂.... awesome video Mate
Still havent gone to echo farming but this definitely changes my perception on the grind
This is amazing.
Good theory and a solid logical method of testing I had a theory about something like this but I thought I was just coping on heavy copium. Thanks for the insight I'll test it out myself see if there's some effective min maxing on bosses
thankssss!!!
thank you, very cool
Based and Goated with the sauce for making this guide. First I've ever heard of this Echo Pity in the game! Thank you!