One thing I'm glad more people will see about Arthur through the accessibility of the Proto Frags manga is that he has more moral dilemma and emotional complexity than what FGO presents
That's one of the things FSN largely stayed away from, having Servants and Masters with obvious conflicting moral standards. On the one hand having such a pairing is an in-built source of story conflict, but on the other it's hard to naturally progress such a relationship when he's Lawful Good and she's Neutral Evil and they're supposed to cooperate on anything substantive like a Holy Grail War. I suppose making Manaka more affable towards Arthur helps reduce friction and paves the way for character change. Arthur's not, like, stuck with Kirei.
Isn't that literally what fate zero is? Prototype follow the same path, with saber at first having a master with conflicting moral (manaka and kiritsugu) but later on being paired with hero of justice (ayaka and shiro) Although tbf kiritsugu is not as horrible as manaka but you get the point
@@abdulzaelani9954 Kiristugu and Saber weren't that far apart morally, objectively speaking. Certainly the difference between Saber's chivalric ideals and Kiritsugu's utilitarianism is one of the central conflicts Zero explores but... Kiritsugu never asked Saber to do anything that violated her moral standards and largely worked to hide his distaste for her concept of honour. The only action Kiritsugu forced Saber to do against her will was destroy the Grail, and that was because she wasn't aware of its nature. The only outright morality clash in FS/N was Kirei and Cu, but we didn't see that relationship unfold. Only its conclusion and the bits of Cu discussing his Master in dialogue. Outside of FS/N, the worst one was Apocrypha with Astolfo and... whatever his original Master's name was. Though that was mostly Astolfo ignoring her insanity until she conveniently died mid-way. Maybe if the red side's mages weren't shelved for the story there'd be more.
I would love for Elza (at least in the Fate universe) to have been Shirou's mother. Also I want to know Shirou's original family name/name before he met Kiritsugu. For someone who claims to hold the guilt of the dead, it seems tremendously idiosyncratic that his original parents don't even come to mind.
I could jump on the conversations between Jeanne d'arc alter and saber alter in the Shinjuku phantom incident. Honestly.... It's hilarious. Could you make a video on them
Manaka is just as bad as male modred Both down BAD and insanely yandere The fact that the counter part of beast nero is this woman scare me But for what i remember male modred did something extremely creepy.. toward his father😅like his obsession is just... Ugh...
Hey tsiah I have a really funny idea you remember the only masters war you did crank it up to eleven with every one at their hypothetical best like the shirou video you did. And this time with all the main characters like the shikis aoko let everyone one throw hands.
Can emiya copy Lancelot Arondight through Artorias Saber memories With Avalon To gain knights of owner skill He would be more proficient and enhance the weapons he uses
So siegfried and sigurd are meant to be equals in fighting ability overall, but sigurd seems to have a lot more going on for him than siegfried what is up with that. P.s. by more I mean sigurd's runes, dragon core, and gram being EX. By the way keep up the good work 👏 🖤🖤🖤
Suegfried does have the armor of Fafnir, and that thing reduced dozens of mortal blows to near papercuts. That and Balmung is a powerful noble phantasm in its own right. But I do believe Siegfried should get a dragons core.
@nighthawk72j80 I think he is supposed to have one, but it was degraded in all his summons til now. Truth be told I just want tsiah to make a video for siegfried because he gets slept on a lot.
One is part of huge pantheon and the other is re interpretation from different cuture. I'm not trying to claim which one is original but it's definitely easier to make grandiose story about Sigurd rather than Siegfried (even tho they are based of the same guy) I agree that Siegfried does need more spotlight but tbh at this point traum will be his last place to shine
@abdulzaelani9954 Sad to admit it, but you're probably right about that. I just think they did him dirty with how they wrote him story wise. Especially with some of the changes to his back story.
Equals when they were alive. As servants Siegfried is heavily nerfed. -Lacks the dragon core -Cant spam balmung, and the activation time was near instant back then -Balmung becomes Ex rank in fgo as well. But as a servant, it's heavily nerfed anyway. At full power the sword is around VS lvl -Armor of fafnir -Both sigurd and Siegfried defeated fafnir so they're relative regardless
In theory Emiya can do it but I have to remind you if the spear (which being a projection is fragile) is broken the curse also disappears as happened in Fate Zero
Wait, she's prototype illya? Damn
The prisma Illya u don't want😂
@@brian_Austin27 Oof!!! I least I didn't look at that version..
(KNOCKING NOISE!!)
Me: ??
(Door OPEN)
Me: OMG!!!! AHH!!!
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@@smithrex6202 who abducted him
@@soraadcaelum2428FBI?
Lol 😂
One thing I'm glad more people will see about Arthur through the accessibility of the Proto Frags manga is that he has more moral dilemma and emotional complexity than what FGO presents
Half year break make people lost interest and drop Proto Frags manga. Even NRVNQSR forum didn't bother English translate new chapter.
That's one of the things FSN largely stayed away from, having Servants and Masters with obvious conflicting moral standards. On the one hand having such a pairing is an in-built source of story conflict, but on the other it's hard to naturally progress such a relationship when he's Lawful Good and she's Neutral Evil and they're supposed to cooperate on anything substantive like a Holy Grail War. I suppose making Manaka more affable towards Arthur helps reduce friction and paves the way for character change. Arthur's not, like, stuck with Kirei.
Isn't that literally what fate zero is? Prototype follow the same path, with saber at first having a master with conflicting moral (manaka and kiritsugu) but later on being paired with hero of justice (ayaka and shiro)
Although tbf kiritsugu is not as horrible as manaka but you get the point
@@abdulzaelani9954 Kiristugu and Saber weren't that far apart morally, objectively speaking. Certainly the difference between Saber's chivalric ideals and Kiritsugu's utilitarianism is one of the central conflicts Zero explores but... Kiritsugu never asked Saber to do anything that violated her moral standards and largely worked to hide his distaste for her concept of honour. The only action Kiritsugu forced Saber to do against her will was destroy the Grail, and that was because she wasn't aware of its nature.
The only outright morality clash in FS/N was Kirei and Cu, but we didn't see that relationship unfold. Only its conclusion and the bits of Cu discussing his Master in dialogue.
Outside of FS/N, the worst one was Apocrypha with Astolfo and... whatever his original Master's name was. Though that was mostly Astolfo ignoring her insanity until she conveniently died mid-way. Maybe if the red side's mages weren't shelved for the story there'd be more.
I swear theres a pattern
Fate prototype manaka
Fsn illya
Fgo melusine
Fate strange fake prelati
The 4 look like their siblings.
Ahhh yes how could I forget the first nasuverse yandere
12:09 Here I thought Fate was above the whole fish-out-of-water trope.
"Just Manaka"
They say never stick it in crazy
HOWEVERRRRRRRRR
HAHAAHAHHAH
IF SHE CRAZY IN THE HEAD, SHE IS CRAZY IN THE BED 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Isn’t she literally 12 here
@@kyuzairen5383 Drake wants to know they're location
@@kyuzairen5383 if it doesn't exist in real life
Its free to be dated
gotta love arash and shirou's mother, Elza(headcanon) Relationship
I would love for Elza (at least in the Fate universe) to have been Shirou's mother.
Also I want to know Shirou's original family name/name before he met Kiritsugu.
For someone who claims to hold the guilt of the dead, it seems tremendously idiosyncratic that his original parents don't even come to mind.
@@Sizdothyx sadly Nasu isn't keen on giving the name. In the mahoyo Collab a shirou that was born way earlier is just called "shirou"
Wait, Manaka is a yandere? *Getting Vietnam flashbacks of Kiyohime*
We need a don't sleep on pale rider.
Is that the servant from strange fake?
@@johnmorrison519 yes 'spoilers' have you watched the anime version of strange fake?
@@johnmorrison519 the shadow that stops Gil amd Enkidu's fight is pale rider (aka the horse man of pestilence aka death itself)
@@KingofHeroesGilgamesh Pestilence & Death are 2 different horsemen.
@@KingofHeroesGilgamesh yeah and I have also read the manga but as of the novel only volume 7&8(yes I haevn't read 4-6 yet)
I could jump on the conversations between Jeanne d'arc alter and saber alter in the Shinjuku phantom incident. Honestly.... It's hilarious. Could you make a video on them
Manaka is just as bad as male modred
Both down BAD and insanely yandere
The fact that the counter part of beast nero is this woman scare me
But for what i remember male modred did something extremely creepy.. toward his father😅like his obsession is just... Ugh...
I can see FGO turning Manaka into a Beast pseudo-servant.
We already have her child and proto Arthur is already kinda there so why not add the mom
Day 33 of asking:
Tsiah IV, can you do a video on "How strong is Hakuno Kishinami" from Fate Extra
Hey tsiah I have a really funny idea you remember the only masters war you did crank it up to eleven with every one at their hypothetical best like the shirou video you did. And this time with all the main characters like the shikis aoko let everyone one throw hands.
Fereydun (Rider class) and Aži Dahāka (Beast class)
damn you started gettin into Arash n it made me wanna know more about all the masters n servants, google here i come
Can emiya copy Lancelot Arondight through Artorias Saber memories
With Avalon To gain knights of owner skill
He would be more proficient and enhance the weapons he uses
It should be possible. If he could see the Knights of the Round's weapons through Artoria's memories, then he should be able to copy them.
Wait, is there a prototype manga i can read?
Mangakakalot same way you can read fate strange fake and fate school life.
So siegfried and sigurd are meant to be equals in fighting ability overall, but sigurd seems to have a lot more going on for him than siegfried what is up with that.
P.s. by more I mean sigurd's runes, dragon core, and gram being EX.
By the way keep up the good work 👏 🖤🖤🖤
Suegfried does have the armor of Fafnir, and that thing reduced dozens of mortal blows to near papercuts. That and Balmung is a powerful noble phantasm in its own right. But I do believe Siegfried should get a dragons core.
@nighthawk72j80 I think he is supposed to have one, but it was degraded in all his summons til now. Truth be told I just want tsiah to make a video for siegfried because he gets slept on a lot.
One is part of huge pantheon and the other is re interpretation from different cuture. I'm not trying to claim which one is original but it's definitely easier to make grandiose story about Sigurd rather than Siegfried (even tho they are based of the same guy)
I agree that Siegfried does need more spotlight but tbh at this point traum will be his last place to shine
@abdulzaelani9954 Sad to admit it, but you're probably right about that. I just think they did him dirty with how they wrote him story wise. Especially with some of the changes to his back story.
Equals when they were alive. As servants Siegfried is heavily nerfed.
-Lacks the dragon core
-Cant spam balmung, and the activation time was near instant back then
-Balmung becomes Ex rank in fgo as well. But as a servant, it's heavily nerfed anyway. At full power the sword is around VS lvl
-Armor of fafnir
-Both sigurd and Siegfried defeated fafnir so they're relative regardless
Can emiya turn diarmude Gáe Buidhe into broken noble phantasm projectiles
Talk about bloodletting
I can imagine its every regenerator kryptonite
He should be able to, yes. As long as it's not a divine construct or relic like Avalon, he should be able to project it.
In theory Emiya can do it but I have to remind you if the spear (which being a projection is fragile) is broken the curse also disappears as happened in Fate Zero
What manga is this from?
Fate Prototype Fragments