This video reminded me to finish "thus spoke Zarathustra",thx alien invader! (Idea,make a video about anarchy and let us destroy ourselves so we can't fight back when you invade us)
@fratz3859 It can't argue with its moral walue, because the punishment is not the choice of the person that is punishing. If there is no free will, there is no right or wrong. Arguing about the fairness of an action that nobody can influence is meaningless. Unless you are willing to judge the fairness of predestination itself, but then you are arguing about the fairness of determinism, not the fairness of punishment.
3:45 Thats a wrong interpretation of determinism and what it entails. it is true that determinism considers past and future as something already set in stone, but punishment is also part of the series of events that happens which results in a safer future. if there is no punishment (due to deeming it unnecessary) then the future that follows is a future where the nobody has been punished and will act according to it (more likely to do crime again). Determinism does not devalue actions or their outcome, it just gives a new perspective on their source by turning subjective views into a bigger picture/holistic view. People who try to use determinism as way to justify their actions do not understand what determinism means. its like saying we shouldnt wear seatbelts when driving because whether we live or not after a crash is already predetermined. Anyway , Great Video! Really hope to see more of these sorts of videos
Determinism, to a large degree i agree with though i might have a little more of a pragmatic approach to it, genetics play a role in your morals, experiences generally play a much larger role in the development of a person's morals, especially childhood experiences. Some amount of punishment for bad actions is justified though, but should be balanced with things that might set the person on a better path, something like rehab/therapy(therapy for example focuses largely on giving new meaning to a painful past, one more constructive). That person will be another person's neighbor, chances are he'd assault them too if punishment is all we focus on and the smallest temptation was given, because the person likely doesn't understand that what he did was wrong or even why he did it, just that he did, and others didn't like it. Rehab/Therapy could even make the person send a letter of apology to his former victims due to new understanding. A person with such a past however, is unlikely to go to therapy unless they either met the best possible personalized persuader, or they kind of had to. Sometimes though, people are too far gone. Only one way to find out. In other words, as determinism means basically the butterfly effect affecting everything, things-, even minor ones-, from long ago causing events we experience today which again contribute to the events of the future, the obvious answer is to interfere in these events in the present in ways that aren't so linear. To change the trajectory for the future.
That is not what Determinism means, Determinism in it's purest form is an aspect of different philosophical schools of thaught, by itself it has no inherent moral philosophy. You might as well argue that the judge was pre-determined to sentence that person for 4 years of prison and could have not happened other ways as it was predetermined from the beginning of existance. Really, determinism is a philosophical notion grappling with existence and not a moral system. The point of it is, is that if everything is interlinked and has a cause/ causes and given consequences, then tracing back the origins of an action leads back to the conception of reality, hence it was pre-determined. Of course this means it has a linear notion of spacetime meaning that everything can only happen once at a given space or time and by definition then as it will only happen once, it will only ever happen one way. There might be an illusion of freedom or alternate choices, but one is predisposed, by the very laws of reality, to only ever actually do one thing in that exact spot in spacetime which is predetermined by the circumstances, one's thought process, the electrical charge running trough his neurons, his muscle function, etc., so pretty much everything (even if indirectly, as everything is logically connected to quasality). This is determinism and it has nothing to do with moral philosophy, as I said as inherently no notion of wrong or good comes from these assumptions.
0:29 Am i the only one who saw jeff the killer here? cheeky subliminal messaging, also determinism doesn't necessarily get rid of morality, if someone does something wrong and their punished for it then even in a determinist perspective their less likely to do it next time.
My bad I didn’t read the whole comment, i was replying to the jeff the killer thing. but I Agree with you the concept is not mine, go check the description and you’ll see the source, I know it’s a wrong interpretation if determinism that’s why I said, give your opinion in the comment
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Why did you put that creepy thingy in the background
What creepy thingy?
I saw it too
@@vermisTheOneAlien It made me exit, L unsubscribed
Mannn, I get taught philosophy better from an alien than a teacher👽
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Your ability to create serious and funny videos is unhinged
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Great video as always🎉🎉
This video reminded me to finish "thus spoke Zarathustra",thx alien invader!
(Idea,make a video about anarchy and let us destroy ourselves so we can't fight back when you invade us)
Of course
This video is mad creepy for some reason.
W Vermis as usual.
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Amazing video
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Great video! The last one really got me thinking.
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In determinism, if you can't judge the criminal, you can't judge the judge because his judgment is predetermined, so nothing is fair or unfair. XD
Exactly
yes but that doesn‘t mean that we should punish people
@@fratz3859 No, that means that determinism can't argue that punishment is wrong or unfair.
@@jakisczowieg3463 why can‘t determinism argue that?
@fratz3859 It can't argue with its moral walue, because the punishment is not the choice of the person that is punishing. If there is no free will, there is no right or wrong. Arguing about the fairness of an action that nobody can influence is meaningless. Unless you are willing to judge the fairness of predestination itself, but then you are arguing about the fairness of determinism, not the fairness of punishment.
3:45 Thats a wrong interpretation of determinism and what it entails.
it is true that determinism considers past and future as something already set in stone, but punishment is also part of the series of events that happens which results in a safer future.
if there is no punishment (due to deeming it unnecessary) then the future that follows is a future where the nobody has been punished and will act according to it (more likely to do crime again).
Determinism does not devalue actions or their outcome, it just gives a new perspective on their source by turning subjective views into a bigger picture/holistic view.
People who try to use determinism as way to justify their actions do not understand what determinism means.
its like saying we shouldnt wear seatbelts when driving because whether we live or not after a crash is already predetermined.
Anyway , Great Video! Really hope to see more of these sorts of videos
It doesn’t because punishment is part of the predetermined path, in this context people use it as way to justify their actions
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great video but you seem to have mixed Determinism with Fatalism. What you described was Fatalism but Determinism only applies to human will.
Determinism, to a large degree i agree with though i might have a little more of a pragmatic approach to it, genetics play a role in your morals, experiences generally play a much larger role in the development of a person's morals, especially childhood experiences. Some amount of punishment for bad actions is justified though, but should be balanced with things that might set the person on a better path, something like rehab/therapy(therapy for example focuses largely on giving new meaning to a painful past, one more constructive).
That person will be another person's neighbor, chances are he'd assault them too if punishment is all we focus on and the smallest temptation was given, because the person likely doesn't understand that what he did was wrong or even why he did it, just that he did, and others didn't like it.
Rehab/Therapy could even make the person send a letter of apology to his former victims due to new understanding. A person with such a past however, is unlikely to go to therapy unless they either met the best possible personalized persuader, or they kind of had to. Sometimes though, people are too far gone. Only one way to find out.
In other words, as determinism means basically the butterfly effect affecting everything, things-, even minor ones-, from long ago causing events we experience today which again contribute to the events of the future, the obvious answer is to interfere in these events in the present in ways that aren't so linear. To change the trajectory for the future.
determinism doesn't contradict punishment
It doesn’t because punishment is part of the predetermined path, in this context people use it as way to justify their actions
That is not what Determinism means, Determinism in it's purest form is an aspect of different philosophical schools of thaught, by itself it has no inherent moral philosophy. You might as well argue that the judge was pre-determined to sentence that person for 4 years of prison and could have not happened other ways as it was predetermined from the beginning of existance. Really, determinism is a philosophical notion grappling with existence and not a moral system. The point of it is, is that if everything is interlinked and has a cause/ causes and given consequences, then tracing back the origins of an action leads back to the conception of reality, hence it was pre-determined. Of course this means it has a linear notion of spacetime meaning that everything can only happen once at a given space or time and by definition then as it will only happen once, it will only ever happen one way. There might be an illusion of freedom or alternate choices, but one is predisposed, by the very laws of reality, to only ever actually do one thing in that exact spot in spacetime which is predetermined by the circumstances, one's thought process, the electrical charge running trough his neurons, his muscle function, etc., so pretty much everything (even if indirectly, as everything is logically connected to quasality). This is determinism and it has nothing to do with moral philosophy, as I said as inherently no notion of wrong or good comes from these assumptions.
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amazing video but pls dont use jeff the killer it made me scared
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Because of your late uploading I thought you got stuck in traffic jam on your way to earth.
I was planning how to… I won’t tell you secret informations
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0:29 Am i the only one who saw jeff the killer here? cheeky subliminal messaging, also determinism doesn't necessarily get rid of morality, if someone does something wrong and their punished for it then even in a determinist perspective their less likely to do it next time.
What are you talking about??
@@vermisTheOneAlien He's saying that in a deterministic world, punishments for actions are still justifiable and logical.
My bad I didn’t read the whole comment, i was replying to the jeff the killer thing. but I Agree with you the concept is not mine, go check the description and you’ll see the source, I know it’s a wrong interpretation if determinism that’s why I said, give your opinion in the comment