So I've been watching a lot of Ms. Hannigan's performances of this work, both with and without a separate conductor, and then I went to go watch another soprano tackle it. They do it more accurately, in terms of the actual notes in the score. For example, the long held end note at the end of the third aria is written as a B5, Hannigan consistently sings a C6. The run at the end ends higher than the final note on F#6 with the final note being D#6. Hannigan consistently sings the ending note of the run as D6 and the last note as F6. And...it's infinitely better than Ligeti's score could've imagined. It's not often that a performer can elevate a work to such a level that their vision of the piece suits it better than what is on the page, definitely a once in a lifetime kind of performer!
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, that's right. Again, now look at the number of viewers of this piece, and the whole of contempary classical compositions for that matter. Is the mistake in the eyes as you think, or in those pieces? Being modern doesn't release someone from the need to have talent. Those two are confused too often.
I live in Portland OR, a relatively small city. Here we have an incredible youth philharmonic with kids that are like 13 etc. And I mean they're REALLY good. We just had a month of different concerts from Kronos to Tomas Svoboda and beyond. I was represented in two separate concerts. It's call March Music Moderne. There was often SRO! I'm talking about 35+ concerts. Either Portland is the center of new music in the world or it ain't dying. You're right about the huge venues tho. Orchestras cost
I won't take your comment personally since it implies that I'm wasting my life composing new music that may not appeal to the majority of people in the world. But as a professional musician having recorded and earned my living as such I can definitely state the fact that music business and promotion is what guides the public's ears. I've dealt with these moguls myself and it's money that drives what's popular.And while there ARE some that are content in ivory towers thatisn't true of many of us.
Salieri and Graupner also were renowned in their times. In the meanwhile pop music occupied the town square, because academic note scribblers climbed to their ivory towers, still only communicating with each other, in stead of the public, which they seem to disdain for lack of taste or cultural awareness. Maybe you should consider the possibility, that contempary classical music is a dead end branch.
@127eadgbe Well my friend, at least 6000+ people do know of its existence (and of course many others that know Ligeti's work-and that covers a lot of folks). You still have the personal discretion to like or dislike any piece of work. But realize that others may relate to this piece and they are not idiots. As to your last comment: I am a composer/pianist and the SELF I am speaking of is not one's ego self. Artists, musicians, painters, writers etc. channel their feelings through their art.
What really concerns me is the imminent disappearing of the baby boom generation. The average age of the people surrounding me in concert halls is roughly 60. What will happen with the iron repertoire, when that group has passed away? What kind of music will famous concert halls have to schedule in order to survive? And who will bring home the bacon to support contempary music? I still haven't heard Stravinsky's "Movements for piano and orchestra" live, and that's my favorite 20th-century work.
Well there are many composers that are not unlike what you describe but still many that write the way I do. And besides, NO ONE can say what's in another's heart or mind. You can like it or not, that's personal taste.And by the way, if you want to talk about world population, the number of listeners to all classical music is peanuts compared to pop music in every country. Above all,one man's meat, is another's poison.That's why there's no REAL standard of beauty. Beauty is in the eyes.........
Our orchestra (played Carnegie Hall) mixes it up. Of course they do alot of the standards but generally there is mixed in a 20/21st century piece. Not enough but they have to depend on the support of the rich patrons-elite class. When the boomers die out this may change for the better. Ya never know.
Well, I don't think it will ever perish (any more than jazz or other forms that aren't in the mainstream) but of course I do acknowledge that compared to the "bacon" you may have a point. However there is an audience for everything and the size has nothing to do with the quality of the product. Even You Tube has an amazing # of uploads of "new" music. And after all, not everyone on the planet listened to Beethoven, only the "upper crust". The rest were into pop.
@127eadgbe This is a mistake that many people make! It's not your eyes but your ears. this is alien sound to you and it is understandable that you don't like it. We reject that which we don't understand. But Art is not necessarily beautiful (or what is commonly referred to as "beauty" but is a version of reality that the artist imparts to whatever form he/she uses to express the SELF.
@rezmogm Point out why this is important, when no one listens to it, or even knows about the excistence of this piece. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally open for new directions in art, but I always stay critical. And by the way, what kind of world will we live in if people start to recognize themselves in this kind of music?
What are the percentages of concerts of the iron repertoire and modern pieces in the concert halls? I think that at some point in time creating artists stopped creating directly from the heart but AVOIDING that, what had already been done. That's the gap growing wider and wider between the artist and the public. A work doesn't exist, if it's not heard. 7066 viewers on the world population is less than peanuts.
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. Ligetti is a world renowned composer recognized by all professional performers and composers. Also your argument about the number of viewers as being the be-all for judging this piece is erroneous. If you go to the most viewed You Tube videos you'd certainly have to agree that the number of hits has nothing to do with the quality of the work. Again, you don't have to like the piece, but you are no position to judge whether it's art or not.
I wasn't being personal. But does it make any difference whether contempary classical music has been ignored because of clever promotion of pop music or because people aren't in contact with it anymore? The result is the same, it will perish. It's sad that the iron repertoire has to bring home the bacon in concert halls to keep it from dying. As far as I know this has never happened before in the history of music.
I hope you're right. Over here in The Netherlands a heartless right wing government is cutting down on every art form and even on care for the handicapped ( this government contains Christians). A couple of orchestras are already gone, and really good ensembles that play works of contemporary composers lost their financial support. Me, I play Bach and hope for the best.
This is simply ingenious. To memorise not only the own voice part - difficult enough -, but also the score of the orchestra...fantastic.
So I've been watching a lot of Ms. Hannigan's performances of this work, both with and without a separate conductor, and then I went to go watch another soprano tackle it. They do it more accurately, in terms of the actual notes in the score. For example, the long held end note at the end of the third aria is written as a B5, Hannigan consistently sings a C6. The run at the end ends higher than the final note on F#6 with the final note being D#6. Hannigan consistently sings the ending note of the run as D6 and the last note as F6. And...it's infinitely better than Ligeti's score could've imagined. It's not often that a performer can elevate a work to such a level that their vision of the piece suits it better than what is on the page, definitely a once in a lifetime kind of performer!
Le plus grand talent au monde, merci Barbara !!
I saw this performance live with the Britten Sinfonia in London, It was absolutely fantastic.
Absolutely amazing! Thank you for sharing this!
I saw her perform this just one hour ago with Simon Rattle and The Philadelphia Orchestra. Standing ovation.
How can you be this amazing?! Unbelievable.
LOVE IT!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Beauty, genius, incredible voice. Fascinating and attractive.
¡¡¡MARAVILLOSA SOPRANO, MARAVILLOSA DIRECTORA Y MAGNÍFICO COMPOSITOR!!!
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, that's right. Again, now look at the number of viewers of this piece, and the whole of contempary classical compositions for that matter. Is the mistake in the eyes as you think, or in those pieces? Being modern doesn't release someone from the need to have talent. Those two are confused too often.
BRAVO!!!
Extraordinary. Irreverent. Very good. Vocal technique extremely difficult. Congratulations Ms. Barbara Hannigan. Greetings from Brazi.
Outstanding, thank you for posting this.
Toller Film und feine Musik
Fantastic performance !!
Total brilliance!
I live in Portland OR, a relatively small city. Here we have an incredible youth philharmonic with kids that are like 13 etc. And I mean they're REALLY good. We just had a month of different concerts from Kronos to Tomas Svoboda and beyond. I was represented in two separate concerts. It's call March Music Moderne. There was often SRO! I'm talking about 35+ concerts. Either Portland is the center of new music in the world or it ain't dying. You're right about the huge venues tho. Orchestras cost
superbe!!
increible,,, divina
I won't take your comment personally since it implies that I'm wasting my life composing new music that may not appeal to the majority of people in the world. But as a professional musician having recorded and earned my living as such I can definitely state the fact that music business and promotion is what guides the public's ears. I've dealt with these moguls myself and it's money that drives what's popular.And while there ARE some that are content in ivory towers thatisn't true of many of us.
Panula school, great!!
Salieri and Graupner also were renowned in their times. In the meanwhile pop music occupied the town square, because academic note scribblers climbed to their ivory towers, still only communicating with each other, in stead of the public, which they seem to disdain for lack of taste or cultural awareness. Maybe you should consider the possibility, that contempary classical music is a dead end branch.
@127eadgbe Well my friend, at least 6000+ people do know of its existence (and of course many others that know Ligeti's work-and that covers a lot of folks). You still have the personal discretion to like or dislike any piece of work. But realize that others may relate to this piece and they are not idiots. As to your last comment: I am a composer/pianist and the SELF I am speaking of is not one's ego self. Artists, musicians, painters, writers etc. channel their feelings through their art.
What really concerns me is the imminent disappearing of the baby boom generation. The average age of the people surrounding me in concert halls is roughly 60. What will happen with the iron repertoire, when that group has passed away? What kind of music will famous concert halls have to schedule in order to survive? And who will bring home the bacon to support contempary music? I still haven't heard Stravinsky's "Movements for piano and orchestra" live, and that's my favorite 20th-century work.
bravissimi
Nuevos conceptos para nuestros nuevos alumnos
Well there are many composers that are not unlike what you describe but still many that write the way I do. And besides, NO ONE can say what's in another's heart or mind.
You can like it or not, that's personal taste.And by the way, if you want to talk about world population, the number of listeners to all classical music is peanuts compared to pop music in every country. Above all,one man's meat, is another's poison.That's why there's no REAL standard of beauty. Beauty is in the eyes.........
The word "art" implies some kind of beauty. It must be my eyes then, because I don't see it.
Our orchestra (played Carnegie Hall) mixes it up. Of course they do alot of the standards but generally there is mixed in a 20/21st century piece. Not enough but they have to depend on the support of the rich patrons-elite class. When the boomers die out this may change for the better. Ya never know.
Hell Yeah!!!!!! Up the horns ImI
where can i get here coat? :-((
Well, I don't think it will ever perish (any more than jazz or other forms that aren't in the mainstream) but of course I do acknowledge that compared to the "bacon" you may have a point. However there is an audience for everything and the size has nothing to do with the quality of the product. Even You Tube has an amazing # of uploads of "new" music. And after all, not everyone on the planet listened to Beethoven, only the "upper crust". The rest were into pop.
Why does the listing name NY Philharmonic as the artist?
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@127eadgbe This is a mistake that many people make! It's not your eyes but your ears. this is alien sound to you and it is understandable that you don't like it. We reject that which we don't understand. But Art is not necessarily beautiful (or what is commonly referred to as "beauty" but is a version of reality that the artist imparts to whatever form he/she uses to express the SELF.
It sound just so random to me... please do explain... I would like to understand, really
wow! like a chuck norris
@rezmogm Point out why this is important, when no one listens to it, or even knows about the excistence of this piece. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally open for new directions in art, but I always stay critical. And by the way, what kind of world will we live in if people start to recognize themselves in this kind of music?
@TheAngeltoDemon I wonder what Beethoven would sound like today
Great piece. Cheesy videography. :P
hero status
Can't contemporary classical music survive without a dominatrix in black leather? Decadence is the final phase.
I might sound unbelievably illiterate... but I really don't get it... Why is this any good...?
What are the percentages of concerts of the iron repertoire and modern pieces in the concert halls? I think that at some point in time creating artists stopped creating directly from the heart but AVOIDING that, what had already been done. That's the gap growing wider and wider between the artist and the public. A work doesn't exist, if it's not heard. 7066 viewers on the world population is less than peanuts.
I don`t feel like she`s conducting the orchestra ..more the other way around, but it`s least to say...an interesting madness
This is hardly 'red dress' material, is it?
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. Ligetti is a world renowned composer recognized by all professional performers and composers. Also your argument about the number of viewers as being the be-all for judging this piece is erroneous. If you go to the most viewed You Tube videos you'd certainly have to agree that the number of hits has nothing to do with the quality of the work. Again, you don't have to like the piece, but you are no position to judge whether it's art or not.
Is this Monty Python?
I wasn't being personal. But does it make any difference whether contempary classical music has been ignored because of clever promotion of pop music or because people aren't in contact with it anymore? The result is the same, it will perish. It's sad that the iron repertoire has to bring home the bacon in concert halls to keep it from dying. As far as I know this has never happened before in the history of music.
Wheres the gun
I hope you're right. Over here in The Netherlands a heartless right wing government is cutting down on every art form and even on care for the handicapped ( this government contains Christians). A couple of orchestras are already gone, and really good ensembles that play works of contemporary composers lost their financial support. Me, I play Bach and hope for the best.
Ligeti gives me a headache. I don't get him. Barbara's voice is wasted on this piece.