0:45 Stiffness on my V9 Blade Pro is 60RA unstrung and 59RA strung (measured on a Babolat RDC machine). Didn't get a chance to measure the RA of my V8 Blade Pro but it didn't feel like a 65RA racquet - felt flexier than that, maybe 62-63RA at a guess.
I had the same experience with my BP V9 - 61 RA strung, and seems to be the way with the stock that TW received as well as how a lot of people on TT have been describing their BPs. My only complaint is that mine also measured at 344 swing weight without any customization.
H22 18x20 is based on Head Liquidmetal Radical but more muted. If you can get yourself a Head Liquidmetal Radical(made in Austria), you might be in for a treat.
What I've heard about the H22 and most pro stock rackets is that they are more flexible in the throat area than the retail versions such as the Blade 98 allowing the ball to sit on the strings a little longer, giving better control!
Pro stock racquets are usually flexible (low RA) and they are good for genuinely advanced or professional tennis players. You need to generate the power and spin yourself (unlike retail racquets which are made stiff to provide you with easy power and easy spin). The result is that retail stiff racquets are easy to use (can even arm the ball without moving the legs), forgiving but are with low control (can only play to big target areas). More importantly, the trajectory control is missing (just cannot control the trajectory of the ball at will), hence 'poor control / unpredictable' in launch angle, depth control and the making of angle shots. The professionals scream, "No control !". They need to have full control of the dynamic range of power and the dynamic range of spin (they generate their own power and spin, utilising the kinetic chain and engaging full body motion). If you play with control racquets (eg. modded pro stock racquets) and play proper tennis, make sure your opponents do the same. There is no point playing with a weekend warrior using tweener racquets who are not playing proper tennis 🤣. As their SHOTS/TARGETS/AIMS are not projectable (ie. cannot project their ball paths and even they are not sure where their balls are landing). No point in the exchange/rally/match 🤣.
@@prophetmargin7497 For me, I will not buy it as long as I don’t know the exact spec of the racket, eg. SW/balance/weight. The spec on pro stock rackets can be varied and I don’t think I can play well with a high SW one.
H22s simply aren't racquets for non-pros. Thin beam, super flexy, low weight etc. They need tons of modification and a ATP level game to get the best out of them!
This is very interesting. However with the time we have on court, we tend to use one racket and when it comes time to demo rackets , we will know if it’s time to think about trying different rackets. Otherwise we tend to go back to our own rackets. This is best exemplified when we are playing a lot during the summers here in the northeast. The only time demoing rackets comes up is during the beginning of the year when new rackets come out. Right now there are no new rackets being brought out. Even when we play with our own rackets, there are plenty to work on during our hitting sessions. Retail rackets are fine, especially when our time is academy sessions, junior tournaments , lessons, hitting on our own, work for us parents, and hitting with our friends or our tournament kids. For example here : 11:12
Retail rackets are great and they work for 95% of the club players and there’s variety. Pro stocks are made for pros and high level players. It does feel better, that’s for sure but the majority of club players won’t benefit from this.
Interesting that you say at 11:24 that you need to swing faster than usual to get power. I would have thought that a racquet with a higher static and swing weight wouldn't require as much speed (since momentum is mass multiplied by velocity).
Actually static weight is the same as my other rackets at 328-330g. Have to check swingweight with the machine. I suspect it could be higher than 330. It feels pretty hard to swing than my other rackets that have 325 SW.
@@rbarreira2the racket is head light that’s why. I’ve had to add a lot of lead tape to get it back the balance of the old blades. If the specs continue to be this way…I’m going to have to switch brands.
@@michaelp9061 as a professional stringer of over 15 years and owner of several of these, both 16/19 & 18/20, working closely with Wilson Chicago, that is not my understanding. Pros , according to Ron Rocci receive their “pro frames”, from racquets manufactured in Chicago. These frames include h19s, h22s and others in various layups.
@drakulie. Wrong. H22 is manufactured in China as well. The only difference is that as a pro player you have a choice of different layups within the H22 mold. The Blade Pro is a H22 mold as well but with one particular layup.
Can you give insight about PA98 vs Blade 98 for allcourter? I know it is for spin vs flat game, but how about their easy-to-use? And can rec players play with BP or it is a waste of money?
PA98 is easier to play with. Can hit with higher margin of safety and more depth. On the Blade Pro, I think swingweight hovers around 340+-, see if you can deal with that.
Hey man, love your all your contents (especially contents like this). Will you get around to do a review of the Pro Labs Six one.95? Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
Omg! I was at Noah last month and I bouught my whiteout from Sam because of your review!! I'd love to try a H22 18x20 can you please provide Brandons details? Thanks Tan!!
@tantennis love it!! I was saying to Sam I wanted to meet up with you and have a hit! Next time I come to BKK I'll definitely rent the A/C courts. Come to Melbourne for the Aus Open!
4:00 I think you should have used a 1.25mm string at normal tensions as it will play more consistently. Using that 1.20mm string at 48/46lbs is too extreme for a racquet like that.
I have both normal blade and blade pro. Before playing with pro, I thought blade was perfect. Now I think pro is perfect. Feel and control are cleaner. I thought the pro was H22. Thanks for the clarification
Check this out, ask if he has a v13 in stock. facebook.com/sachiotennis?mibextid=LQQJ4d If not, ask CV tennis shop on facebook if they have one. I’m sure you can find v14 but not sure about v13 tho.
It’s a pro stock. There’s no standard spec. My assumption is, in the tour, players use 18x20 more, while 16x19 is rare. So, many of the 16x19 I got is probably from certain player who wants it heavy.
@@tantennis right. I have the 16x19 PB and its about 4 grams lighter than the 18x20. I was toying with buying the other but I already have it in stock form. Im going to put a leather grip on it to make it a little more head light.
@@tantennis I'm currently getting mine strung. The stringer uses one himself so he'll check spec & weight. He said they play like a better Pro Staff. Looking forward to hitting with it tomorrow. What does your weigh?
Way more spin than the gravity pro and feel a bit more flex. More powerful as well. Lighter and more maneuverable, at least this one. Can’t say for all because specs are varied. Compared to whiteout 18x20, the whiteout feels easier to swing and more consistent for me. But the plow and feel are on a different level. The ball speed on H22 is way faster and heavier. Spin probably the same.
Would love to try the H22 18x20. I'm currently playing with the Blade Pro 18x20 and I love it! Would you recommend trying the H22 or are the differences minor?
@@Nahhmah I probably pick the Ultra Pro. I think it’s made light with room for customization. Blade pro you would probably get 340 SW and that’s totally off limit for me.
Probably on the pocketing aspect. Other than that, not really. H22 is way softer than Tfight and it’s way head heavier, it transfers power in a different way.
Hello, I've got confused. Retail blade is different from blade pro or h22, I got that part. Is Blade Pro from wilson pro labs h22? Or h22 completely different mold for only pro players?
0:45 Stiffness on my V9 Blade Pro is 60RA unstrung and 59RA strung (measured on a Babolat RDC machine). Didn't get a chance to measure the RA of my V8 Blade Pro but it didn't feel like a 65RA racquet - felt flexier than that, maybe 62-63RA at a guess.
I had the same experience with my BP V9 - 61 RA strung, and seems to be the way with the stock that TW received as well as how a lot of people on TT have been describing their BPs. My only complaint is that mine also measured at 344 swing weight without any customization.
H22 18x20 is based on Head Liquidmetal Radical but more muted. If you can get yourself a Head Liquidmetal Radical(made in Austria), you might be in for a treat.
What I've heard about the H22 and most pro stock rackets is that they are more flexible in the throat area than the retail versions such as the Blade 98 allowing the ball to sit on the strings a little longer, giving better control!
It feels wayyyy better and the spin is omg crazy.
@@tantennis They have four or five H22 18x20's on the prostock site right now for sale, in your opinion, is it worth the extra money?
Pro stock racquets are usually flexible (low RA) and they are good for genuinely advanced or professional tennis players. You need to generate the power and spin yourself (unlike retail racquets which are made stiff to provide you with easy power and easy spin). The result is that retail stiff racquets are easy to use (can even arm the ball without moving the legs), forgiving but are with low control (can only play to big target areas). More importantly, the trajectory control is missing (just cannot control the trajectory of the ball at will), hence 'poor control / unpredictable' in launch angle, depth control and the making of angle shots. The professionals scream, "No control !". They need to have full control of the dynamic range of power and the dynamic range of spin (they generate their own power and spin, utilising the kinetic chain and engaging full body motion).
If you play with control racquets (eg. modded pro stock racquets) and play proper tennis, make sure your opponents do the same. There is no point playing with a weekend warrior using tweener racquets who are not playing proper tennis 🤣. As their SHOTS/TARGETS/AIMS are not projectable (ie. cannot project their ball paths and even they are not sure where their balls are landing). No point in the exchange/rally/match 🤣.
@@avfreakfreak I think a may order a H22 just to try out your theory!
@@prophetmargin7497 For me, I will not buy it as long as I don’t know the exact spec of the racket, eg. SW/balance/weight. The spec on pro stock rackets can be varied and I don’t think I can play well with a high SW one.
H22s simply aren't racquets for non-pros. Thin beam, super flexy, low weight etc. They need tons of modification and a ATP level game to get the best out of them!
I have an H2. The 2nd generation of hammer and 2 hyper hammer 5.3. I also use an RF 97 autographed edition and blade 104 autographed edition.
Haven't been conmenting for a while good to see you having many responses and also supporting k.Sam krub
This is very interesting. However with the time we have on court, we tend to use one racket and when it comes time to demo rackets , we will know if it’s time to think about trying different rackets. Otherwise we tend to go back to our own rackets. This is best exemplified when we are playing a lot during the summers here in the northeast. The only time demoing rackets comes up is during the beginning of the year when new rackets come out. Right now there are no new rackets being brought out. Even when we play with our own rackets, there are plenty to work on during our hitting sessions. Retail rackets are fine, especially when our time is academy sessions, junior tournaments , lessons, hitting on our own, work for us parents, and hitting with our friends or our tournament kids.
For example here : 11:12
Retail rackets are great and they work for 95% of the club players and there’s variety. Pro stocks are made for pros and high level players. It does feel better, that’s for sure but the majority of club players won’t benefit from this.
H22 has different feel - but slightly thicker beam than the retail version of Blade 98 v8
It has a box beam 22mm, way better feel. Blade v8 has a D beam 21mm.
@@tantennisis the H22 and the pro blade the same beam thickness?
@@702bigron same 22mm beam
Interesting that you say at 11:24 that you need to swing faster than usual to get power. I would have thought that a racquet with a higher static and swing weight wouldn't require as much speed (since momentum is mass multiplied by velocity).
Actually static weight is the same as my other rackets at 328-330g. Have to check swingweight with the machine. I suspect it could be higher than 330. It feels pretty hard to swing than my other rackets that have 325 SW.
@@tantennis I see, interesting - if the swing weights are similar then I guess it means other factors are affecting power / launch angle.
@@rbarreira2the racket is head light that’s why. I’ve had to add a lot of lead tape to get it back the balance of the old blades. If the specs continue to be this way…I’m going to have to switch brands.
sawadee kruup - love the channel! from thai tennis player in USA.
Thanks krub!
The blade pro is made in china. The H22 is made in Chicago and has a completely different flex and as a result, feel.
No. H22s are made in China as well. Only a very limited number of samples are from their Chicago shop.
H22 is a mould, it can be produced in various layups with various drill holes and flex...
@@michaelp9061 as a professional stringer of over 15 years and owner of several of these, both 16/19 & 18/20, working closely with Wilson Chicago, that is not my understanding. Pros , according to Ron Rocci receive their “pro frames”, from racquets manufactured in Chicago. These frames include h19s, h22s and others in various layups.
@drakulie. Wrong. H22 is manufactured in China as well. The only difference is that as a pro player you have a choice of different layups within the H22 mold. The Blade Pro is a H22 mold as well but with one particular layup.
@@bojack3827 all the h22s that I own were made in Chicago. The end.
Can you give insight about PA98 vs Blade 98 for allcourter? I know it is for spin vs flat game, but how about their easy-to-use?
And can rec players play with BP or it is a waste of money?
PA98 is easier to play with. Can hit with higher margin of safety and more depth. On the Blade Pro, I think swingweight hovers around 340+-, see if you can deal with that.
You describe what it feels like to play a pro stock vs. a retail frame at 9:50, and I've never heard it said better. You write well.
Thanks!
Hey man, love your all your contents (especially contents like this). Will you get around to do a review of the Pro Labs Six one.95? Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
Thanks! I would love to but I’m not sure I can get that.
I love your video.thankyou I have new Wilson clash 98. I am looking for (pop) sounds which string and tension.can you give me idea.thankyou.
What string are you using right now?
Yonex poly tour pro 1.20mm 17ga
Thanks for sharing. 👍 Just be careful with balls like in 3:53
Thanks! That one was close.
Would love your thoughts on the blade pros
I haven’t tried it yet. But will get one to try soon.
Omg! I was at Noah last month and I bouught my whiteout from Sam because of your review!! I'd love to try a H22 18x20 can you please provide Brandons details? Thanks Tan!!
Hahaha do you like it? I think Brandon is creating a page soon. Stay tune.
@tantennis love it!! I was saying to Sam I wanted to meet up with you and have a hit! Next time I come to BKK I'll definitely rent the A/C courts. Come to Melbourne for the Aus Open!
@@danzomon5853 Can you DM me on instagram for Brandon contact? Here: tan_tennis
This or the blade pro?
4:00 I think you should have used a 1.25mm string at normal tensions as it will play more consistently. Using that 1.20mm string at 48/46lbs is too extreme for a racquet like that.
Not sure if that’s a good idea as it will beef up SW even higher and now I cannot even get the ball in time.
Pure aero 2023 or wilson blade 98 v8 16x19 for the agresive baseliner player?
If you have loopier spinny forehand then Pure Aero. Blade 98 for flatter.
Which racket is better for club players? H22 or blade pro labs v8 18x20? Or to get the normal blade 98 v8 18x20
If you’re hitting flat then normal blade is ok. But if you hit topspin, better to go with Pro.
I have both normal blade and blade pro. Before playing with pro, I thought blade was perfect. Now I think pro is perfect. Feel and control are cleaner. I thought the pro was H22. Thanks for the clarification
Hey, I am visiting in a few days, where is your shop? I want to buy the Prostaff 97L V13tennis racket
Check this out, ask if he has a v13 in stock. facebook.com/sachiotennis?mibextid=LQQJ4d
If not, ask CV tennis shop on facebook if they have one. I’m sure you can find v14 but not sure about v13 tho.
I dont understand how an 18x20 can be lighter than the 16x19 version. Surely the 1st has more strings and thus weight in the hoop?
It’s a pro stock. There’s no standard spec. My assumption is, in the tour, players use 18x20 more, while 16x19 is rare. So, many of the 16x19 I got is probably from certain player who wants it heavy.
@@tantennis right. I have the 16x19 PB and its about 4 grams lighter than the 18x20. I was toying with buying the other but I already have it in stock form. Im going to put a leather grip on it to make it a little more head light.
@@highgate14 cool. I just got a light H22 16x19 today
@@tantennis I'm currently getting mine strung. The stringer uses one himself so he'll check spec & weight. He said they play like a better Pro Staff. Looking forward to hitting with it tomorrow. What does your weigh?
@@highgate14 295g with 295 SW
Can you compare h22 18x20 to gravity pro and solinco 18x20
Way more spin than the gravity pro and feel a bit more flex. More powerful as well. Lighter and more maneuverable, at least this one. Can’t say for all because specs are varied. Compared to whiteout 18x20, the whiteout feels easier to swing and more consistent for me. But the plow and feel are on a different level. The ball speed on H22 is way faster and heavier. Spin probably the same.
How does it compare to blade pro
I haven’t tried it yet. But I could get one soon.
Would love to try the H22 18x20. I'm currently playing with the Blade Pro 18x20 and I love it! Would you recommend trying the H22 or are the differences minor?
I don’t think it worths the extra bucks. Should be pretty much the same as Blade Pro except flex profile.
@@tantennis Awesome! Thanks for the reply and thanks for the video!
Watch it!! >.< 3:52
Omg I know Brandon back when I was at The New School
Small world!
Hey Tan, what was the SW on the 18x20?
It’s 334
@@tantennis if you were to pick one would you go with Wilson Blade Pro 18m or Ultra Pro 18m?
@@Nahhmah I probably pick the Ultra Pro. I think it’s made light with room for customization. Blade pro you would probably get 340 SW and that’s totally off limit for me.
do you find resemblance of the h22 with tfight?
Probably on the pocketing aspect. Other than that, not really. H22 is way softer than Tfight and it’s way head heavier, it transfers power in a different way.
What is the diference with the pro ?
Flex ratings
Hello, I've got confused. Retail blade is different from blade pro or h22, I got that part. Is Blade Pro from wilson pro labs h22? Or h22 completely different mold for only pro players?
Blade pro from Wilson labs is made from H22 mold with certain spec. H22 pro stock is a mold that could have different specs and stiffness.
@@tantennis Now everything clear, appreciated
H22 in pro labs?
The one in pro labs is blade pro. Same H22 mold but higher stiffness rating.
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Can ask Brandon if he's still selling the Regna :)
Can you DM me on instagram for Brandon contact? He doesn't want to give his number public. Here: tan_tennis
Could you please tell me how i can get that H22? As i plan to visit SG in July
SOLINCO WHITEOUT 18-20 VS THIS
Its a Pro Staff 97 without PWS
Yea I think the feel is close to a PS97 but way softer
H22 has the legend PRO, and also has strings at the bottom and that racquet doesn't have it, are you sure that is H22? 🤔
What does it have to do with the Legend Pro?
Hey Tan, its Fabio from Functional Tennis - how can I mail you? email/Instagram?
Hi Fabio. Thanks for reaching out!
I will dm you on instagram.