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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- You can find "Gorgias" here amzn.to/3FsI3pf
This is the official UA-cam channel of Dr. Michael Sugrue.
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Dr. Michael Sugrue earned his BA at the University of Chicago and PhD at Columbia University.
"Oh, fuck I'm supposed to say GOT IT '" made me laugh and rewind 10 times
It's pretty funny to see him react just like all of us do
Did I get in half an hour there? I can't hear you, sorry *click*
Went from feeling greatly fortunate to've found a youtube channel with all Professor Surgrue's old lectures almost a year ago to being astounded that it was actually him presently operating the channel to now being pleasantly blown away to randomly to see a live lecture pop up. We're unutterably lucky to have found our way here
His daughter operates it I believe.
Thanks Genevìeve for monitoring the channel
Mike is a true polyglot, living right up there with the likes of Joseph Campbell and Harold Bloom
@@shirzadalipour199 how many languages can he speak?
Now I just keep wondering why I wasn't recommended this earlier.. Being very interested in philosophical studies and having watched his 'Stoic Ideal' years ago on youtube.
Everytime I feel lost in life, Sugrue shows me the light.
You are my teacher, Professor Surgue.
_name someone who isn't?_
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Be a light to yourself!
0:00 Like visiting an old friend, deeply consoling, hinting at the eternal
1:22 The Greatest Sophist, Gorgiyas; “The First Nihilist”
• Make the Guilty appear Innocent
• Persuading based on emotion or lack of logic
3:37 Structured like Plato’s Republic, including a series of verbal battles
*Sophistry*
4:25 Major Theme
• Rhetoric can tell a person what’s in a persons best interest
6:15 Medicine is about achieving health. 7:42 Who is selling treatment and who is selling poison? (Which ideas are Good?)
10:02 Who are you?
• A Teacher - what do you teach?
• Shouldn’t Justice be part of rhetoric?
11:20 What is your motivation?
• Making money
• Passing on knowledge
*Moderation*
13:13 Moderation, a kind of enough 15:30
14:00 (Wise Men stay away from Cliff Edges)
*Freedom*
18:49
• Freedom as No Limitation, Hedonism, Pleasure Maximization
• Freedom as Autonomy, Making Rules and Abiding By Them Conscientiously.
21:22 Lawful, Ruled, Orderly 24:13
21:57 Ex. A Narcotic Addict who recovers from his narcotics.
*The Moral Stakes*
26:30 Better to be Virtuous than Vicious
27:16 Socrates Death ☠️
29:33 The Gods Judgement
31:33 Isles Of The Blessed
34:13
Homeric Poetry -
Platonic Poetry -
36:32 What Rules You?
• Pleasure • Law • Virtue
• Friendship • Wickedness • Liberty
39:09 Some people can’t get enough, some people have had enough. (A few people might want less.)
40:36 _“No one is fit to govern other people until one learns to govern oneself.”_
Enough can be used for all 3 of the primary amounts
• not enough - too little, lacking
• just enough - exact
• enough - too much, past a limit
19:57 Freedom is Liberty = Bucket with a hole in it 🪣 🕳
lol love the name. appreciate the time stamps, guy
Good 👍🏻job
Thank you!
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Listening to Michael Sugrue is like reading Socrates himself. They are both philosophers but also they live their teaching. They are examples of what they teach. That, for me, makes them both spiritual teachers. Very inspiring and moving. Thank you.
I am living in Iran, and I am witnessing first-hand how a complex + chaotic social situation could cause every bit of your knowledge seem insufficient, and all your ability to make sense too little, and I am seeing for the first time how everything could become to blurry in terms of your understanding of it, that you feel almost utterly lost.
In such times, the books, lectures, dialogues, movies, and other content that help you to make sense, and that they themselves make sense, have become such a solace and consolation for me. For me, these books and lectures are helping me keep my sanity, to not lose all idea of right and wrong, knowledge and ignorance, good and evil, beautiful and ugly, and so on. No idea that I have gotten introduced to has become an absolutely true idea for me. But some ideas, like Plato's dialogues, are for me a source of sensibility and beauty.
I guess what I wanted to say is: thank you Professor. You have been a great source of education and sense-making for me. Not only the content you presented, but also the concern that you implicitly have behind it, your passion in explaining the ideas, and your ability to make me passionate about these ideas as well, have been very helpful to me. So thank you.
This is an amazing surprise. A full lecture. The Professor sounds and looks great.
That intro was halarious 😂 Prof your lectures helped me through one of the hardest times in my life. You have inspired me and for so many reasons I thank you Sir. Good to see you looking so well.
I taught philosophy and literature and I still learn a great deal from this man. Brilliant teacher.
A man worthy of beholding.
I donated to doctors without borders to access these lectures. I'm so glad I did that--and that these lectures will begin to be available on youtube. Thank you Dr. Sugrue, for working your ass off to become so learned, and deciding to share your interpretations of the classics with the public at large! It has been a sincere pleasure to listen.
Rescued doctors without borders personnel from their own hubris and didnt even get a thank you
Cheers from a longtime listener of your lectures. BA in philosophy, current lawyer, love to revisit the great minds from my awe-inspired undergraduate years. The first 54 seconds of this video filled me with happiness. They ARE like old friends, aren’t they? Well put. Thrilled you’re still putting out new videos, professor.
Could listen all day
With that dog constantly yelping?
The dog had some very important insight to add to the conversation. It's making some very valid points.
Dr. Sugrue, you make it okay to talk about virtues. You make it okay to accept the challenges that come with trying to understand them and with trying to live up them; you make them real. Thank you!
I love all your lectures sir. Professor Sugrue you are the best! Thank you and you seem like you are feeling better.
_best intro ever! And now, ladies and gentlemen, I bring you platonic philosophy lol_
This was fantastic. I am reading many works from the Ancient Greek world while learning the language. These lectures from Sugrue have been very helpful. Thank you 🙏🏼
This is the 1st lecture from a class some 50 of us attended every Sunday afternoon from May through August 2022. We know it took Prof. Sugrue and his daughter a lot to plan, coordinate, and carry this course out. To say nothing of the energy expended, which we recognize is a precious resource.
What a blessing and enrichment the class was to our lives. It took me several weeks in the live Q&A sessions to control my nervous schoolboy/fanboy jitters and actually ask something.
This man has done more for me in life than any other person. It's a sad thing to say, but I feel like it needs to be said. Thank you Dr Sugrue for bringing philosophy into a life filled with pleasure but absent from happiness. Philosophy has made me a better man and a better father, and it all started with a lecture about Marcus Aurelius that I thankfully clicked on a decade and a half ago.
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Gorgias is one of the absolute best Plato dialogues! So amazing.
Best beginning to a video ever. Love this guy
Professor Sugrue, your enlightening teaching impacts positively so many people! I listen to your lectures almost every day: they engage and relax my intellect at the same time.
The authenticity at the beginning++; gotta love the humanization of a legend of a professor.
Just wanted to say your explications on Camus’s Myth of Sisyphus is one of my all time favorite demonstrations of this work.
I agree. Where?
Thank you! Some of us never made it anywhere near a university lecture. We scrounged the public library. Now, as truck driver, I can get some clarification on what I’ve read. Hope to see more new lectures. Again, thank you, sir!
Prof Sugrue !! 😊👍
This man was incredible. It’s just so clear and simply stated. This is a man who wrestled with giants.
But he couldn't let his dog out before the broadcast.
Thanks for your lectures.
I am enjoying these recent lectures by Dr. Sugrue so much! Thank you for uploading them so that we may continue to have his light in our lives ✨😊
As a former philosophy student turned defense attorney, who reflects wistfully on his earlier years of conceptual learning in contrast to his more recent days mired in harsh practicalities, I find your lectures to be deeply comforting. Like these long-atrophied parts of my mind are being made to work again. I’m grateful for these, sir. Thank you.
I wanted to ask you how you reconcile your work with such philosophies like socrates or a monotheistic religion if you practice one. I’m also interested in pursuing philosophy but might end up a lawyer if my parents have their way but feel very uncomfortable with the prospect of being essentially a sophist that argues for the sake of arguing and winning money.
@@sleekostrich4367 Greetings! Thank you for your question. Truth be told, I haven’t read Socratic philosophy in over 15 years and I’m a strong atheist, so I honestly don’t know enough about either to comment on them, specifically. What I can say is that (assuming you’re in the U.S.) it’s every human being’s right, as secured by the constitution, to be represented by competent, diligent counsel whenever they are charged with the crime and that anyone so accused is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. Further, the Rules of Professional Responsibility, a code of ethics which governs all attorneys, require every attorney to act as a zealous advocate on behalf of anyone they represent. I take my clients’ rights and my ethical obligations with an unwaivering seriousness. I also believe that we all, from the worst to the best of us, are all essentially the same and equally deserving of a full defense. I am also a hard determinist, so I do not believe in free will (and, relatedly, I do not believe in ‘evil’ as some absolute concept, but rather that some humans do things which society has agreed to label as such). So it’s never about the money; always about their rights.
As for your future career, I wish you the best of luck figuring that out. I hope you are guided most by your own sense rather than what you think your parents might want. I started in undergrad as a computer engineer, found I was bad at physics and switched-so it’s never too late to go in a different direction. What I can say about majoring in philosophy is that it’ll open your mind, teach you to reason, and help you learn to write effectively-being able to understand difficult concepts, tease out their implications, and communicate that in a way that people understand will serve you in myriad professions.
Sophistry everywhere all the time. Question truth claims every time. Keep the lectures coming Dr. Sugrue, perfect forum for you to keep us thinking. You are needed Sir!
Before finding this channel I'd read some of Plato and a bit of Aristotle. In the year since, through the lectures, and reading their corresponding material, the diversity and depth of my knowledge (and to a lesser extent, understanding) of them and other philosophers, theologians and historians has increased logarithmically. Not in an effort to brag, but to credit the pleasure, influence and didactic efficacy of this channel.
Please continue. All the recently producers lectures are just as good as the 90s lectures, and often better. Very grateful to have stumbled onto this channel.
If I was a billionaire I’d spend it all advertising this man’s videos and wisdoms.
@@krishnacohen the money and influence that accompanies it
You or anyone can become a billionaire and much more by following the philosophy.
Of course, This man is one of the greatest minds as a teacher.
But for becoming an animal at that scale, one must become an animal as well as a man.
This guy represents the view as a man sees it, even when he describes the animal state, he does it as a human does
If you actually were a billionaire, you wouldn't care about helping and educating other people, unless it was to make more money. Billionaires would much rather have small-minded individuals lacking any mindfulness than people who can think for themselves. One doesn't accumulate vast amounts of wealth or power by being benevolent and generous.
The amount of joy in thinking you've brought to me is difficult to describe, so let me simply say thank you so very much.
Amazing presentation Dr. Sugrue. Side note: You eyes are beautiful. Eyes are the windows to the soul and while you speak mature truths, I see the child in there so clearly :)
I might be deviating from virtue, but I'll never get enough of your lectures Dr. Sugrue. Thank you so much! This was enlightening, as always.
It is so lovely to see you, Dr Sugrue. Your work is profound.
Thank you for changing that camera angle Doctor Sugrue! I have been listening to your lectures for about 15 years now and having you directly connected to us is an embarrassment of riches.
🤣 was NOT expecting the first thing I heard to be an F bomb!
I like this video, its more personal, but still full of wisdom.
More please
It is such an honor and I am so indebted to the generosity with which you invite us at the feast of wisdom. As Socrates, you do it to benefit us, so people from thousand of miles away like me, can improve their thinking.
May I know your opinion on René Girard?
Thank you very much, God bless you!
Well said!
Rene Girard, Rene Girard, Rene Girard; the one who peruses the human psyche about its attractiveness to expiatory violence.
Been watching you old lectures for years, the algorithm just showed me you're still at it. THANKS!
20:03 The joy is feeling the bucket not having it full - Team Callicles
Thank you once again Dr. Sugrue. You are a great teacher. By the way - love the format.
Thanks a lot Dr Sugrue
Freedom as Liberty v. Freedom as Autonomy
I watched this video months ago and this single dichotomy has stuck in my mind since. Thank you Dr. Sugrue.
If you enjoyed this I strongly advise picking up the Plato, Socrates and the Dialogues 16 part series on The Great Courses by Dr. Sugrue! The Gorgias is discussed there too. Currently on my third listen through :) The guidebook is great as well and really helps you organise your thoughts.
I return to his lecture on Marcus Aurelius about once a month
@@andrewryan2814 love that one! Meditations is a great book, has been on my bedside table for years! There’s a lecture on this channel by Dr Darren Staloff entitled Spinoza’s Ethics. Highly recommend watching that one if you like the stoic way of thinking. This channel has such good content it’s insane 🙏
Superb! I look forward to your next video.
Thank you very much for your continued teachings Professor!
Very underrated dialogue, and I'm so happy to see someone discussing it at length!
Rock’n Roll philosophy from the good Doctor! The best.
That opener!! OMG!! lol. Please keep that.
I really enjoy your lectures. Thank you.
You seem invigorated by the task, which is wonderful to see. This is every bit as pacy and engaging as your early videos. A live audience would really complete it for me - what a privilege that would be, to listen first hand.
amazing to see Prof Sugrue today! Your lectures were amazing and we are priviledged to still watch you sharing your wonderful knowledge and orator skills. Thank very much!
I retain more, listening to you, Dr. Sugrue. Thank you. Greetings from Sydney!
Prof. Dr. Sugrue
from the bottom of my heart: thank you for your work!
He seems very animated here-far more than usual. He’s practically glowing, actually. He looks younger and more alive.
Thank you Dr. Sugrue for all your work on communicating complex ideas in a digestible manner and for igniting the spark for continuous knowledge. I look forward to your next lecture.
Your online content is a treasure to me! They have expanded my understanding and appreciation for these various great works and provided untold hours of fascination and delight. Thank you so much!
Thank you for your service to humanity 🙏🏼💗
Pure pleasure!
What a funny and human moment to open the video with
Great to see you professor :)
Thank you so much for your work.
You are amazing professor to follow your dialectical thinking processes on every subject you speak makes me more smarter.You are the greatest teacher I have found on net.❤
if this was a sane world, this guy would be considered a national treasure, like other famous educators in the natural world, physics, astronomy. Never a dull lecture!
Excellent! I feel kind of surprised by these dialogues and Michael's lectures often because of how they have contemporary importance, yet little attention. I believe most people assume there is nothing to learn, like if something were important and valuable it would be commonly taught and understood. It turns out the Greeks dealt with the same problems and rather than being primitive, they probably confronted them more directly (and therefore better) than most of us do today.
When it comes to topics of restraint and moderation it probably seems easy to nod through. I'm making a lot of guesses on people's psyche, but I think people will feel it is probably agree with the arguments for moderation, even though they do a poor job of resisting it, yet likely won't give attention to the topic...unless it is delivered differently, like in Plato's dialogues . They give a feeling of clear consideration and let you weigh and actively decide - especially in a Sugrue lecture! And after you're thoroughly moved to the side of Socrates, unexpectedly a further consideration pops in. When Michael mentioned the meaning of autonomy, it felt like getting uplifted out of small mindedness. This seems to frequently occur with Sugrue's lectures on Plato, which make Plato seem to be the most impressive visionary. Perhaps he's able to see things with such deep and noble considerations in mind as a result of his concept of forms.
It is great to see Prof. Sugrue's face in new videos. I hope you keep uploading these pieces sir. If it is not much to ask, I would like to listen to and study(that is what I have been doing with your videos from the 90s) your precious thoughts on David Hume. You have covered him along with Swift but I would like to hear more please.
Stay healthy professor, we need you!
I deeply appreciate your wonderful content, Dr. Sugrue. Your lectures are part of my daily routine.
Comp. Lit MA student checking in! I love putting your lectures on the tv to enjoy as I putter about my apartment. Would you consider speaking on Dostovyevsky at some point?
He did a talk about The Brothers Karamazov. 😁 Worth seeing!
In which he also refers to Plato 👍
thank you so much for this virtual class, teacher
So happy to be here!
thank you for sharing your knowledge
Very well done treatment. You love these texts and it makes me love them too.
Doc, you’re awesome and I appreciate everything you’ve done. This set up is way favorable to the other. Just get a microphone. It’ll cut out all the background noise and make you much clearer. Thanks again.
In fact, as soon as I finish one of your great books' lectures, I can't wait for a new one. So, this was a wonderful surprise. Thank-you.
Over the years Professor Sugrue has metastasized into William Blake’s portrait of God! Life imitates art!
Thank you professor Sugrue! You are exceptional
The world needs more of this 🙂
Looking and lecturing great my good Prof.
lookin good, prof!
I am so happy to see you in a better shape professor ❤ thanks for keeping teaching 🙏
Thank you for the clip, Professor! Yes, if we understand 'liberty' as a total lack of self-restraint or licentiousness, then autonomy, as in temperance or self-control, is clearly superior. Usually, when we mention 'liberty' nowadays, we think of a lack of external restraints/barriers to our behaviour (such as those imposed on us by the State), rather than a lack of the internal, self-imposed ones on which 'autonomy' also relies. Living in the UK, we are, unfortunately, aware of how much autonomy - as freedom to make moral determinations and exercise choice in governing yourself - is contingent on (civil) liberty, and how the former is not even possible without a reasonable amount of the latter.
Thank you again, and I hope that, next time, we might not only hear it, but also get a glimpse of the little doggie.
That's quite a powerful ending there Professor Sugrue.
Peace be with you brother!
I loved the opening ! Love you so much you have no idea. I’ve listened to most of your lectures.
Excellent, as usual! ☺
The remarks about Beethoven, among others, mean this man is a kindred spirit for me.
Michael the goat!
Thank you so much Dr Sugrue
Excellent lecture, Professor Sugrue! So glad to see that you're feeling better. Every member of the U.S. Congress should be forced to listen to this entire lecture.
Brilliant lecture, sir. When the student is ready, the master will appear.
"...no one is fit to govern other people until he learns to govern himself." Great take away.
I aspire to be like Mr sugrue in terms of his lecturing ability and knowledge of philosophy morals and the human condition. Phenomenal. Also lol at that intro
Dear Professor, I am a big fan of your lectures. I have never studied philosophy, but watching your online lectures/webinars make me feel like I'm learning and thinking over some things in a way that makes me feel truly inspired. But I'd just like to ask your opinion on an idea that came to me when I was listening to what you said above (well, in case you actually have the time to enlighten me on this of course :P) :
- Do you think the idea of "moderation"/"enough" is in a way, predicated on the finality of human life for individuals, and on the scarcity of resources for a community? ... i mean, if future scientific progress actually enables (some) people to live indefinitely, and if in the future, and it enables resources for the material existence of human beings not to run out, do you think there will no longer be a point for "moderation", and maybe no point for "virtue"?
Thanks!
Can’t stop watching!
Beautiful analysis. I never understood where my accumulated morals stemmed from as well before, thanks for sharing.
thank you for making all these knowledge zero cost.
How bad that we have not teachers/Prof like this.