Wayne Barnes: The man in the middle
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Just weeks after THAT game in France and THOSE tweets from Rassie Erasmus the brilliant Wayne Barnes joins Payno and Ben Keyser to talk about the backlash on social media in the aftermath of that Springbok defeat and how it's affected him and his family. He reveals that he cancelled the planned half-time celebration at Twickenham in recogonition of his 101 caps and whether he wants to carry on being a referee or not (SPOILER: He does!). It's not all serious though, we find out what his karaoke song is, if his picture is still in a New Zealand urinal and how he and his team escaped from the Principality after the World Cup QF win by France over the All Blacks in 2007.
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0:05 - Show Starts
0:50 - Wayne's Languages
4:54 - The Last Few Weeks
8:37 - France vs Springboks
10:50 - Post Match Debriefs
16:12 - Social Abuse
26:58 - Rassie Tweets
34:06 - Wayne's SA games
38:36 - Twickenham Cancelled
46:19 - Expectations & Technology
1:00:09 - Wayne The Lawyer
1:10:14 - 2007
1:13:32 - Unique Transport
1:18:12 - Wayne In 2023?
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Excellent podcast but the audio levels need to be sorted. I need it on full volume to hear the interviews and then get blasted when the adverts come on!
This has been an excellent discussion. Very honest and open, which deserves respect for being so. The revelations by Wayne Barnes were a shock. I enjoy the game of rugby. The players are to be respected for their efforts, skills, and abilities. This episode of GBR cries out for the enforcement of a 'Respect the Ref' campaign. This is rugby, not football/soccer, and threatening, abusive, or insulting language in whatever forms need to be dealt with most strongly. 'Respect the Ref'.
You earn respect ;)
That French guy talks an awful lot of shit.
@@patrickbrennan911 That's a very polite, well-thought-out comment. I imagine it took you some time to compose it. That's the type of remark that is unnecessary. Now, go and find your carer and apologise for accessing the internet without their knowledge, and promise your carer you won't do it again.
@@green856w ok so I didn’t expand to any large degree, I guess because I though it was plain for all to see. At the fawning and talking in circles. I think Barnsey was even embarrassed listening to it!
@@patrickbrennan911 You're entitled to your opinion, and assumed that 'all' think the same way as you do. Guess again.
Outstanding Podcast
As a boks supporter, I have a love-hate relationship with WB. But any threat is an absolute no-no! Even if it was just directed at him it is not on, but family is completely off-limits.
I hope, but I'm not confident, that it wasn't Bok supporters. Whoever they were they are shitty excuses for human beings.
“Hate”?
I hope that’s hyperbole. Because I fail to see how you can “hate” a referee.
@somanytakennames I find it interesting that you read the phrase love-hate and only saw the word hate. So I will be overtly clear, yes it is hyperbole, just like the 99.9% of times that phrase is used.
@@uChakide
Can never be too sure with the way sports fans behave these days 🤷♂️
@@somanytakennames fair enough
So many prophetic words now that the 2023 WC is over. Online threats are against the law. Threatening someone online or face to face, is a criminal offence. Logical deduction means that World Rugby has a representation in the country where the online threat is originating. Therefore, a mechanism should be setup globally through World Rugby associations, to track down the offenders and prosecute them in their jurisdictions. Should be possible.
100% agree with this
Surely the social media outlets can work with them and ban these people from using their platforms
I'd also like to add, that as much as I love Ben Kaiser, he kept praising Barnsey for admitting he "was wrong".
Ben, you know as well as I do, that you had a front row career based on how well you could cheat better than your opposition; any kind of admittion from you there? You know, about actual deliberate cheating?
You know you were wrong, in the only job you had to do well, you know you tried to be the best cheat you could be, and you praise a ref for admitting they were wrong?
That stinks for me.
It starts with the players, if refs only had to look out for a couple of cheats, they'd be able to be way more consistent.
Kolisi should not even have had a yellow.
F**k me. Here goes a frenchman having an urge to hug an englishman to comfort and support him. That's how much of a good referee and decent human being Wayne Barnes is.
As a Spirited bok supporter myself...yes...not every decision will go our way...neither will every decision be correct...when the game is over...drink a few brandys...complain...then lets get over it...which is what we normally...barnsey and hes family should not be subjectwd to abuse...hes proven time and time again what class act he is on the field...barnsey is also human...this isnt football...we get over it...and move on...
South African fan here with a huge thank you to all the hard work to Wayne and all his colleagues do week in and week out. Without you there would be no game. Do officials get every decision in every game right - of course not (and bear in mind that 'right' is subjective in the fan's eyes). There is never a reason or excuse to hurl abuse at officials and especially not their family. Grow up, deal with your disappointment, be an adult and look forward to the next game.
Well said Sir
Rassie should take note
@@wanderer5598 100% he should simply follow the process. Engage behind closed doors like everyone else. At the very least avoid stoking the flames on SM.
Erasmus should be hauled over the Coals by world Rugby!! How dare he make any comment? Wayne doesn't deserve being intimidated by any player. Rugby has to Ban Erasmus for at least the entire international season this year, and possibly the world cup next year, he should be shut down now by both the South African rugby union, and world Rugby. He needs to grow up.
@@thetruthhurts7675 💯
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I think it’s time to invite Rassie on the show to explain himself without the text limit of Twitter . 🇿🇦🇿🇦
Mr Barnes is a true credit to the game. The stuff re his family getting abuse is disgusting
As are all the others…
Big respect to Wayne Barnes for his contribution to the game. As a South African I can only apologise if the vitriol stems from my fellow countrymen. You deserve better and some of us need to be much better. 🇿🇦
Agreed - but, they (British media) are doing exactly what they are accusing Rassie of doing - using social media to further their agenda and point of view - a matter of the pot calling the kettle black!
Yes but thank god he never has to ref another of our games
@business3867 im sure you would've been quite happy with his bullshit reffing last night
@@shane1899 He did okay kept the New Zealanders in it at least
@business3867 you're not wrong. He really kept them in the game with 14 men for 55 mins. And then siya smashes into ardies head... meh just a yellow. The final part of the game.... looks like nz getting a turnover meeh fuck that game overl here you saffa have a free rwc trophy
Social media is such a cesspool. So sorry that you have to endure this disgusting behaviour Wayne.
From a kiwi here. Wayne Barnes is a legend of the game. Definitely does not deserve personal ammunition fired at his family.
I feel sorry for Wayne and his family suffering this abuse as it’s totally out of order.
Referees have a thankless task but without them their is no game!
Wayne Barnes is class 👌🏽
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Top ref from a Welshman. Best ref in the game for me. Behind you 💯 Barnesy boi.
From a South African, I cannot believe that this happened to the Barnes family. It’s shocking and deeply saddening. I know it’s hard to do but on behalf of all rugby loving South Africans, please accept our most humble apologies for what these cretinous human beings have done to you. They are not rugby fans but just sensation hunters with absolutely no values. Well done on your 100 caps Sir. Here’s to many more.
I'm more shocked that he hasn't received a call from Rassie or Jacques. Just give him a call and show some empathy and sympathy. We as south africans are better than that.
@@thehalf8 Absolutely man, it’s really disappointing!
@@thehalf8 It's because they don't care. Dirty country, dirty people.
@@mushimi_ we do care. But each to their own. The number 1 rule in South Africa and people will most likely go by this as law. "don't be a doos"
@@thehalf8 They owe him nothing.
A truly superb episode. Wayne Barnes is an outstanding referee and the game of rugby is lucky to have him. Great job by Alex Payne and Ben Kayser too, as always.
Simply the best GBR podcast, core subject of an elite referee, fascinating, tbh followed and played rugby all my life. I never knew the amount of attention to detail you guys put in. Must be a regular podcast . Massive respect to a fellow man of Gloucestershire
The guest gets to speak uninterrupted...Hask must have been red carded for this interview.
Why can't the abuse perpetrators be tracked down ?
Wayne. As an South African I would like to thank you for your excellent sevice to our lovely gsme. You where the best of the best. Dont let the latest waves get you under. We a know its sour grapes. All your calls were 100%.
Wish you all the best in your new centure as an attorney.
Please visit our lovely Western Cape here.
Let's be honest. Errasmus opened a can of worms. Those involved with rugby saw this coming and he, in particular, needs to take a large chunk of the blame. Accept it.
....indeed...he must take the blame for fans threatening refs after the England vs France match and the Australia vs Ireland....
@@therealmrfishpaste I agree
Accept that refs are biased and World Rugby is corrupt.
@@thomasluke980
WR and these same refs were at the RWC in Japan. Are you suggesting that as they are so bias that along with WR that they fixed games allowing the Boks to win the tournament . Wierd how these refs were fine at the RWC then but now these same refs are bias
Or is it you only think they are bias when South Africa lose ?
@@patrickchilds2987 have you watched Rassie’s video ? Go do some research. There are plenty of videos showing clear bad calls against the Boks. We don’t lose every game or win the WC because of the ref but it does happen. Today the Boks were poor and the AB’s were far the superior team despite one or two controversial ref decisions but we were hammered by the most successful team in world sport. Their record is UNBEATABLE.
Found it really distressing to listen to Wayne Barnes recounting the abuse and threats. Much love to him and his family❤
I have great respect for Wayne Barnes and so do the rugby general public from all home nations.
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He is a fantastic .
People ( if that's what you want to call them) who abuse others especially their families are scum and cowards. Thing is the social media providers can track down this filth and bring them down. I've often used a few profanities while watching you but they were fleeting and harmless !! Your a class ref Wayne keep up the good work and best wishes to your family.
Had the pleasure of listing to Barnsey at the England vs South Africa game. He was the highlight of the day such an interesting and funny guy.
Great interview, great bloke, brings to light once again just how toxic social media can be and the impact it can have on people's lives. If we can bring about one change within these online platforms moving into 2023, I hope it’s that those who threaten violence to others and their families can be caught and held accountable. The technology, I’m sure, it out there, but sadly not the want from those that govern them.
Genuinely one of the best interviews you guys have done! The only way forward is for platforms to ask users to provide proof of ID on a yearly basis. I just hope that World Rugby is doing everything in their power to reach out to platforms to try to change things, clearly this can't go on. The impact on referees and anyone in fact who receives this type of abuse cannot be understated.
Dunno man - many people would be unable to report on news in their country, on certain people, without anonymity
Why use Twitter if you're a referee - just avoid it
You're the epitome of a tyrant's supporters club, convinced of your moral righteousness while being so.
That's why we respect the AB's - Kiwi's and SAFFERS, long may the rivalry (read "respect") continue. A single point separating the two best teams on the planet.
Wayne is all class. Top ref, top man. Fucking awful how he gets treated and wtf is wrong with people attacking his wife? Fuck man, that’s not rugby.
I had a conversation with Luke Pearce a week after he refereed South Arica when they lost. Not a pleasant experience afterwards. South Africa need to take a hard look at themselves.
Where did anyone attack Luke Pearce? Don't make up sit. Do you know only about 10%of SA's are interested in rugby? Don't you disrespect our counties people.
@@sbok9481 Don’t let this savage drag you into his narrative … must be an ex Bell Pottinger employee! 🤔
Just a touch patronising Andrew🤘🏻🇿🇦
World Rugby needs to take a hard look at themselves. Corruption is rife. Wayne is a cheat !
@@sbok9481 10% ?? Are you drunk ?
Top ref! Class act, from an Irish fan. ☘️
Wayne is one of the refs I get most excited by when I read the appointments or match previews - clearcut in his decisions and a referee who lets the game play. He seems to have the respect of the players and things operate well. A really great episode of the show and I'm so disappointed that he and his family were so targeted (having seen i.e. Polly hassling Wayne's fitness in the Lions series etc, she seems a very good egg).
A note, too - that France v SA match was incredibly hard and relentless, it was a close game and Rassie is doing a disservice to two of the world's best teams in picking it apart.
Rassie is not the one with the whistle in the mouth. Nor did Rassie told or motivated anyone to send remarks to any referee. The footage was witnessed live by the entire world, including Barnes's inconsistent refereeing.
@@sbok9481 My comment was that Rassie was doing a disservice to France and the Springboks who played an intense game; the players themselves. I'm old enough to have loved Rassie as a player but be disappointed in his social media.
@@beewalkerqt Strange that you say that Rassie disappoints you in his social media. I could remember that Rassie himself defined "media" -and it's not Rassie's job to educate people in what media is. The reason for Rassie giving a definition of "media" was exactly to individuals who are not educated enough to understand.
Why definition?; Eddie Jones conduct special media interviews where he criticises referees. Have a look at Tas analytics videos of how often Eddie does it. Those footage are then posted on social media. It is also published on other media platforms, like articles. Eddie Jones also conduct post match interviews where he criticises referees at will after a game.
Dave Rennie: We all know, last year November, how Rennie climbed into referees during a post match media interview. That happened a week after he said that coaches should not criticise referees , refering to Rassie. During the week after his post match interview, he had additional media interviews complaining about referee standards.
Warren Gatland: Was the one individual who started it all, influencing and criticising the referee in the BIL series against SA even before the game started in media interviews. He made sure the referees hears his criticism. The referee, Nick Berry, then had the worst game in his history by even ignoring SA Captain on the field in sight of the entire rugby world. That was the referee overdoing it, demonstrating that he is not favouring SA, as Gatland insinuated.
SA went to lose that game that was handled unprofessionally by Berry. Rassie responded with his 62-minute video. Rassie was made out to be the villain, suddenly forgetting all about Gatland the week before.
Dave Foster: The NZ coach that continued with the habit of criticising referees and highlighting players supposed transgressions before a rugby match, especially against SA. He knows how to influence referees. One example was when Kurt-Lee Arendse had a great game against NZ, and SA beating them, Rennie was the entire week in media interviews forcing for a red carded Arendse to be banned. WR heard him and suspended a player who played his first test match, kept his eyes on the ball and ran himself concussed into the legs of Barret. Not deliberate.
So, every coach choses their own media platforms to get their points across. Whether Rassie leaks a video or use social media, he is always at fault in your eyes, who sees nothing wrong when other coaches do the same. The only difference is that people hate Rassie because he is the current World Champion.
Wayne is biased against the Boks
@@beewalkerqt Yet here we are, the British media (this UA-cam channel) is doing EXACTLY what they are accusing Rassie of doing - using social media opinion against Rassie - the pot calling the kettle black?
I'm sure those threats are really nothing to worry about. The pathetic Keyboard warriors who made them probably sh1t themselves just crossing the road. I can't imagine how utterly lacking their lives must be to want to do something like that. Sad.
even if you believe a threat will never be actually acted on it is still unbelievably distressing to receive especially if it is targeted at your loved ones
My wife and I are big fans of Rugby 🏉 the Premiership, URC, extra Wayne is one of the best in the world. We are from Atlanta, USA 🇺🇸
This was one of the best GBR podcast i ever listen to quality wise. Such a shame the amount of abuse Wayne Barnes received just for a simple game of rugby.
Four refs thirty players , players win or lose , not refs
Dude as a South African I hang my head in shame. You are and will be with the mistakes one of my favourite referees. I apologise for the actions of the hooligans down here.
Well said, sir. So many decent and Rugby-loving Saffers out there that we have bumped into over the years.
But there is now an increasingly visible thug channel, riding shotgun for Rassie’s pettiness, called TAS ANALYTICS - which is essentially just a breeding ground for xenophobic hate.
Probably the ONLY place I’ve EVER really come across this in either Union or League. Maybe decent South African supporters - like yourselves - can address this to preserve our game from the grip of the idiots. There have always been rivalries - and please God, there always will be - but the hate has got to stop.
I originally sent this reply to one of your level-headed countrymen above - but I was moved by your comment too.
@@mikegray8776 indeed it's just a game man. We have to move past the Anglo boer war.
bet the negative comments
are all hiding
when you bring family in that is criminal
They are not rudgy fans.
sorry Wayne.
We have to accept that the way rugby was traditionally supported and now on mediA and especially social media has changed. Social media now allows anyone to post with complete anonymity abuse and even personal threats to players, coaches , refs anyone in their sights .
It is a acceptable for some to now ignore the set due process in disciplinary proceedings, referring decisions and process and gleefully instead attack the individuals. This Curry Bongi incident is a perfect example of this.
Ironically I have no doubt that many of these fans will reaffirm the superiority of the rugby as a game over other sports like football because it is built on its own unique core values. Sadly the reality is that core values in the game for example like respect to players and the ref may be covered in rule 9 of the laws of the game but they seemingly no longer apply off the pitch to rugby fans who profess to love the game . Very sad
I’m a kiwi we weren’t too fond of him in 2007 😂,
But water under the bridge , have no problems with him reffing our games now days , in fact I prefer him to others
We do have to remember the human element with these guys
Wayne Barnes having a great game playing on the south african team at the 2023 world cup so far with a couple of shocking decisions so far wow
Great referee. It’s not an easy task to ref a game and get every call correct. But this has normally, swings and round abouts in a game.
Thank you.
This is a brilliant episode. One of the ‘questions’ was about whether this was a rugby problem or a society problem…it’s deeper than that…it’s a human problem.
0:05 - Show Starts
0:50 - Wayne's Languages
4:54 - The Last Few Weeks
8:37 - France vs Springboks
10:50 - Post Match Debriefs
16:12 - Social Abuse
26:58 - Rassie Tweets
34:06 - Wayne's SA games
38:36 - Twickenham Cancelled
46:19 - Expectations & Technology
1:00:09 - Wayne The Lawyer
1:10:14 - 2007
1:13:32 - Unique Transport
1:18:12 - Wayne In 2023?
So sorry to hear what Wayne Barnes and his family have been through in recent weeks, as well as other referees. This is Rugby, it's about respect for the game and for the people, be it players, refs, supporters and clubs. Yeh...there is banter but not pure hatred for someone, those people who are saying this don't truly know what Rugby is about.
Just wanted to say enjoy your retirement Wayne Barnes you are a great ref. They way you have been treated by some "fans" is an absolute disgrace. I appreciate everything youve done for the game.
It’s so refreshing seeing a refs view of things. And we rugby fans community are treading that fine line between us and football fans far to much of late. Yes be passionate yes support but the booing during the anthems Hakka and personal threats to the wife and children of a ref is unacceptable 😢and heart breaking ❤️🩹 we are not football!!!!
A lot of South Africans in the comment section that probably need to get a hobby beyond just rugby.
Top man , and a bloody top referee is Wayne. Keep your spirit high . Gav from Wales.
This actually made me quite sad. Very impressed by Ben.
I was fairly disappointed by the reaction on Twitter, but also not surprised. It's well known that some of your most vocal and nasty individuals lurk around there and lashing out behind anonymous pseudonyms.
I do believe Rassie has learned from this, many see him as a rugby messiah and will support him a bit too fervently.
Sorry that it had to come to this. Hopefully we'll go back to some sort of normality soon.
The elephant in the room remains, however, with Laporte's recent condemnation only fueling the fire. WR is far too opaque in its systems, with referees being fed to the wolves, especially when 50/50 decisions are being made.
Thanks to all the referees for braving it out there, more support from TMO/sidelines and clarity needed overall IMO.
Nice one trying to blame Rassie for the abuse . Stop being bitter English supporters. Firstly as a Boks supporter I am totally against anyone threatening his family and hopefully they are dealt with accordingly , however if Rassie didn’t say anything these refs would just go on living in their bubble , They need to be more accountable for their actions. If they not good enough they must be dropped . Wayne is a great referee and this isn’t directed at him only . GBR has an agenda and keeps supporting the narrative that suits them . When the decisions start going against the mighty English maybe then you guys will open your eyes.The refs are Englands last hope as all the resources seem to be letting them down😂😂
Ben is French!
Rassie’s behaviour further encourages what’s been happening to Barnes. Anyone can see that. He could have approached it like an adult, instead he chose to act like a 15 year old UA-camr acting controversial for clicks. When you’re in a position like that and behave that way, you enable the abuse Barnes has received.
Oh and I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the only time you see South African fans moaning about the officiating is when they lose. When you win it’s suddenly a lot quieter 🤔
@@somanytakennames If you missed it he has followed this process on numerous occasions and nothing has been done . Bill that old cow and his cronies will always side with the European countries over any issues.
😂😂😂 you are the problem. What you’re basically saying is that the ref is cheating to help England. But the refs aren’t English and neither is WR. Idiotic comment.
@@avishjhugroo2473
When has he done this?
Oh will they “always side with European countries over any issues”? Do you have any evidence to support this claim or are tin foil hats going for cheap in South Africa these days?
It’s this kind of conspiracy theory nonsense that ruins your credibility.
I also notice you completely avoided my point about the officiating not being a problem when South Africa win. So, is it a coincidence?
Why should people learn French when French constitutional law bans languages like Breton, Basque and Catalan. No. Learn Breton, Basque o'r Catalan instead!
I really hope he is not forced to retire just yet. Great ref, but even greater human being. Good points made about technology helping refs. It will take time, but it's inevitable eventually. Keep going Barnsey!
Always enjoy seeing Wayne on programs/podcasts like this. Hope the people who sent his wife that abuse get the punishment they fully deserve
When asking the question, "Who is the best ref in world rugby?", Wayne Barnes has to be in the shortlist. And here we are, him looking like he's been slapped, and immense pressure being put on him through social media. This is a direct attempt to skew the game, to make referees too scared to make the difficult decisions with certain teams.
Yes, northern and Sothern referees interpret the rules *slightly* differently, but you look at Wayne against a quality southern referee like Nick Berry they're going to ref the game almost identically.. just with a slight difference on emphasis. We have to learn to believe that these elite international refs are highly trained and dedicated to the job they so. So often I've thought the ref got it wrong, then we see another camera angle and yes.. the expert got it right... on first sight, without a replay. Jaco did that all the time. The young Georgian ref Nika Amashukeli is quickly proving his accuracy and fast learning the value of keeping a game moving.
We need to learn to appreciate the refs or the only refs left will not be as good as these guys.
Wayne did a excellent job during the World Cup as did the whole team ! Now if only the players could get it right especially Owen Farrell who shows no respect ! Congratulations !
How would you police and assess players respect in the game ? Rule 9 in the law book covers this Refs like Nigel Owen’s and Wayne Barnes speak highly of Owen Farrell and don’t consider him disrespectful. How would that appease fans such as yourself who are upset by him ?
I hope Wayne with his experience and skill also as an advocate can help in developing a referee strategy to ensure a greater future for these guys. The game is so reliable on good refs and I think more should be done to develop and retain them. Great job
I think the biggest problem is there is too many rules for the referees to adjudicate. And so much is so fast it’s a lucky coin toss which rule to pick up or should you call every rule is the other problem
Not surprising the comments slamming barnes in this section and on the live comment feed are by south africans
We won't change for anyone. He should fix up or ship out!
Expat Bok fan here, I am sure that not all of the abuse came from Bok supporters, that said I am certain that some Bok fans have crossed a number of absolute lines. I have been frustrated by ref calls that went against my teams, but to abuse the ref when the match is over, instead of just shouting at the tv and then moving on, to then go and threaten the ref and then the refs wife and children is 100% disgusting and unacceptable. From this Bok supporter I want to apologise for any South Africans who took part in the abuse to Wayne Barnes and his family. They are not supporters, they are not fans they are not patriots.
Just watched your latest vlog .
Very interesting chat with I would say one of the best referees in the game .How sad that he felt so abused by so called rugby fans he thought about leaving the game .
However that vlog should be put out on a prime time slot on tv it was one of the most honest and thought provoking interviews on sport I’ve listened to .
Well done Good bad & the Rugby for airing the issues and for Wayne Barnes for such a heartfelt reply .
Congratulations Wayne Barnes on your career and surpassing 100 caps
Guys - I love the GBR Pods but this is one of the best ones I have listened to. A really intelligent and thought provoking look at rugby values and the circumstances surrounding the horrendous online threats and abuse dished out on social media platforms. Thanks for your honesty and bravery Barnesy from a former Welsh referee.
If you watch tas analytics’ videos, the narrative is that referees are reffing NH and SH (especially SA) sides differently. The idea is that they’re promoting NH rugby to make it look good in the URC. Read the comments on these videos and a lot of SA rugby fans firmly believe this to be true. Probably not all, but a significant number. They definitely see WR as a cabal set up to promote NH rugby to the detriment of the SH. Rugby is becoming really toxic and it’s putting me off to be honest. I coach and ref at U11 school’s level and my kids are starting to come off talking about how refs are ‘cheating’ even though we don’t even keep score! They get short shrift from me, but no idea what the answer is.
Listen to what Bobby Skinstadt said on the subject. If you are a referee you are supposed to know and understand what's happening in rugby. There is also a huge difference between school rugby and professional international rugby. Please educate yourself and then you will be able to educate kids at that level.
@@sbok9481 you keep that toxicity flowing my friend. Luckily I’m looking after the education bit.
So sorry to hear what you’ve had to contend with Barnesy. And although none of us is perfect, the game owes you and your fellow Refs a huge debt.
I hope - although I am far from convinced - that all Rugby administrations worldwide will form up behind you to oppose modern day “virtual” thuggery wherever they find it.
Really great show. Much needed discussion, now to act and improve on this as a rugby community.
Nigel owens was a far better ref than Barnes.
Great discussion and lots that could be taken and acted on, genuine top referee and top man. Can't imagine what kind of sad person would threaten anyone over a refereeing decision - not real rugby fans. Rules do need attention, they need reducing and simplifying, genuine opportunity to blow at virtually every ruck, maul, scrum and line-out. No wonder the viewer / fan can find fault with refereeing decisions.
Please increase the volume, enjoy your chats, when they are audible.
Social media is the issue, wish the worlds leaders would so something about it. excellent discussion and great show as always.
He's the worst ref in the world...he's hopeless.. he'll ruin the final
Correct - that is exactly what happened - gifted SA 3 points and admitted the mistake on mic.
The best of the best. Wayne Barnes❤
Top ref. I hope they still go ahead to honour him at the stadium.
The threats to your family is just rubbish for a person that enjoys sports they should be really arrested and dealt with. Very one sided interview no taking responsibility , players prepare and bring their effort for refs to just mess that up. Values respect? Match fixing? Rassie telling the truth now its a problem. Refs are not special so take your criticism and GBR why dont you interview Rassie as well?
ref were great w.d wayne
Only came here to comment having listened as Podcast. Bloody brilliant. Wayne,top bloke, great at explaining all things rugby. Also should put a shout out to Benjamin, he is fantastic at being pat of an team. Chap is going to be in great demand in 2023!
Six stars
A quick one here. Referee please don’t make yourself a factor in a rugby game. In clear terms do your job such that you’re invincible when the game is over.
Wayne - what happened to you is not right. I hope you and your family are all ok. One suggestion, why not hold the post match reviews publicly? Would that not build more transparency, less frustration for coaches, players and coaches? I know it would need to be structured, formal, polite . It might also undermine Refs if handled badly, but it might help, I think it would be worth discussing.
At least Haskell was not there otherwise we would have had a ten minute rant on how if Jones were still the England manager all abuse would stop immediately, shortly followed by war and famine.
Brilliant interview, keep up the great work Wayne.
This was brilliant. Thankyou. Going forwards I think it would be great for you to have Nigel Owens on the show as a regular guest. Somebody hugely respected in the game who has the ref's view point, and these days, apart from busy with his cows, maybe has the time to spend with you.
Wayne Barnes. There was around 34 errors in your referee decisions 2007 All Blacks vs France. Recap Graham Henry's book should never be allowed to referee again
I’m only part way through this and I am raging!!!
I am sickened and astonished that rugby’s fans have reached such an appallingly low level.
I don’t always agree with WB’s decisions but there’s a reason he’s the most capped referee in the game.
One of the better referees in the game today along with Jaco Peyper
Hi Amazing episode. I freely admit that despite following rugby (mainly England internationals) for many years I still don't understand the rules. The big attraction of the game to me was that the attitudes were a world away from say football as (and you have talked about this on this episode) the attitude was better based on respect and discipline on and off the pitch. This was the main reason I encouraged both my boys to play the game. I think that the abuse the Wayne and his wife and family have received is disgusting and totally unacceptable in any forum. I think that unfortunately there is a change in attitude throughout the game. My youngest plays at under 14s level and over the course of this season I have noticed an increase in comments from the side-lines from parents. We had a home game and the away parents were so vocal and derogatory it felt more like an away match which created an intimidated atmosphere. I live in Essex and Essex RFU have sent out a directive about this type of thing as well as abuse of officials. This s new to me and through my oldest (U18s) this is the a new-ish thing. I appreciate that this is nothing like the horrific experience of Wayne and his family but I this does show that the old values now seem to carry much less weight which is very sad and disappointing.
The podcasts are brilliant, entertaining and are increasing my understanding of the game. Thank you. Jo
SPRINGBOKS HAVE 58 MILLION
SOUTH AFRICA SPORTING THEM
Springboks are the only team to win
the three world Cup finals they played in
but did not play in 87 & 91, which they have done
better than All Blacks.
The Springboks have the team to
win World Cup for the 4th time!!!!
Amazing interview and the day that Barnes leaves the game, it will be a sad day
It will be the best day ever !
🥹😭Jor thats all i can say, this team is so real its unreal. I dnt know if anyone noticed what Siya did when removing his arm bands, the one on his right hand has the following on it, JESUS and a CROSS. Before he removed it he kissed it....this is the amount of respect these guys have for their MAKER. i just love them all The LORD bless you guys and ladies real good.❤
AB fan here. Wayne is probably the finest referee going round and if England dont make the RWC 23 final then he MUST be the final referee if the ABs are in it. I have refereed Rugby and for all you know alls out there it is a BLOODY tough job. I love watching Waynes people skills in pressure situations. Ive NEVER seen or heard him raise his voice to a player. If he makes a mistake he owns up to it EVERY time. He has to go down as one of the sports greatest ever Referees. End of story.
Wayne, thanks for your wonderful career - I have enjoyed your refereeing / sense of humour etc almost as much as the games. Best wishes to you and your family !
There are many things the governing bodies could do about this kind of social media abuse ! Here are some suggestions: ban individuals from international matches for a period / life, from all profesional rugby matches and in serious cases ban them from playing competitive rugby, publish their names (with a short statement of why and links to more details) on an annual black list, announce their ban on their social media feeds (Yes plural) for all their customers, employers, colleagues, friends and family to see. Let them appeal through a show tribunal streamed from the IRB / relevant governing body website !
Shyte ref, weather wet, all things favor the Springboks.....its gunna take a miracle for ABs to win?
Here after the France v SA game. Is DuPont saying what he said about the ref gives permission to nasty so called fans threatening the families of refs? As a Saffa, I thought what Erasmus did was wrong. There are channels that his gripes can go through. Period!
Maybe Rassie went that way because going through the "channels" don't work. Wayne is known for being against southern hemisphere teams. I don't think there is anyone who swore more at him then me. Saying that I will never threaten him or his family, and I absolutely do not approve of anyone doing it. Refs are people, mistakes will happen. But its just funny that the mistakes are always going against certain teams
I always liked Wayne Barnes as a referee and this interview made me like him even more.
This is how many months ago, Has World Rugby did anything about this type of abuse.
Can you guys not make your own desician about what is malicious ,or not you jump or duck at your own descretion
you play an actiom/Warfare zone game on your own decision or enjoyment,
own what you do, stop giving world rugby the excuse to weaken the mix of the game. itsan old proud game
Cant believe this man was allowed to ref over 100 matches after the France vs South African game prejudiced he holds against South Africa is very apparent. Just disgusting to have people like this dictate the outcome more than any player on the field. Not only players but refs should be reviewed too as the power is corrupting them as the answer to no one sadly.
A great perspective, wow not ok at all on any level, ever. Great point Ben, it isn't just rugby, the world is angry and abusive atm, sorry for your family Wayne and Polly