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The crazy thing is I bet Brian has no idea what side is on because while the women are advocating for his position, destiny is a man and we all know that he fundamentally hates women
This debate is just so tiresome. These people don’t give a shit about what happens to these children when they’re born - if they did then they wouldn’t spend their time and resources advocating for the ones that haven’t been, they could be helping the children that are already here and need their help the most. It’s literally just about control over women through religion.
It’s really funny and I’m entirely and very pleased that destiny never corrected Kristen when she said he moved from 20-24 weeks down to 20 weeks, and it’s funnier that she thought 21 weeks and 6 days is a gotcha
1:47:11 destiny actually does ask this question at the end of the 4 hour debate and they just tried to scurt around it for like 10 minutes after choosing the babies over the embryos Turns out someone in chat said it
In a similar vein, I've heard prolife people explicitly state that it's okay to kill an embryo in an IVF clinic's freezer because it's just a frozen embryo, but when it's inside of a woman, it's an unborn child with rights. Both that and the thought experiment with the burning hospital are enough to tell me that prolife isn't about protecting unborn children at all, but about control.
I feel like a good point destiny could’ve made on the what if they’re wrong on either side is, that if pro-lifers are wrong they will be forcing children to be born to parents who will severely abuse/kill them. Which I would argue is worse.
Is the violinist argument just like debunked? I feel like it would be funny to watch them chase each other around the question while destiny tries to clarify. Also I think less than jake and papa gut would be an amazing debate duo
People who describe pregnancy and childbirth as merely "inconvenient" have no awareness of the very long list of things that can go wrong, many of which can result in irreversible damage, disability or death.
The dependency argument in regards to life support is funny because i’m pretty sure, at least in the case of old people, they would more than likely be claimed as a dependent with a power of attorney who gets to decide on their life. It’s pretty 1:1 of a mother deciding on a fetus’ “right to life” that is not yet viable outside of her womb.
And the reason you can’t “kill a baby” thats post birth is because it is only now dependent on you based on what would be now classified I guess as a disability and you can’t just kill someone who’s inconveniencing you.
@@Mrraerae Terminating life support is a thing. Also, the person with power of attorney can opt to cease or withhold medical treatment if the patient is incapable of advocating for themselves. When you give someone PoA over your medical decisions, you effectively give them the ability to determine whether you live or die should you be rendered incapable or incompetent.
I go the extreme: I think abortion should be the default. People need to prove they are capable of being a parent in order to be granted the right to be pregnant.
So do this mean kids have authority over parents? Parents choose if you want to be here or not, the doctors cant say if you want to live or not if you have the money and resources you can substain both but if a parent literally doesn't have the resources to take care of a child they should just get thrown in a fosters care like we have many outstanding citizens coming from them. Getting rid of it would be silly
The fact that they talked over him constantly because what he was saying threatened their ideology is all the proof you need that they dont even believe in the shit their saying 🎉
Thank you for reacting. Couldn’t watch this alone. I can’t believe she just 1:31:10 no fucking way. This mediator 🚮 Omfg “killing a comatose person with a gun” rofl, a brave take. We use “unplug”, right? Oh god. Are these people real
Those women are just so painfully uneducated, talking about what ifs with God and heaven. Then refusing to let Destiny speak, using anecdotal evidence. If you can’t prove when someone has sentience, you can’t prove when they do or don’t feel pain. Plain and simple, but they refuse to acknowledge any other view points by talking over people constantly.
I'm one of those anti-abortion people who also thinks we should be doing anything and everything to support the pregnant person and the child. Lila Rose and Kristan Hawkins couldn't care less. It's just virtue signaling
I thought aborting was when you don't want or cant care for the baby. Disingenuous to equivalate someone trying their best to keep a baby before a term date, to someone having a decision to not wanting a child. This is a weird argument
Papa I love you in the most un-weird un-parasocial platonic (insert all the boundaries here) way but HOW DARE YOU dog on adult people who eat chicken nuggets and Mac n cheese on a regular when you sir are a (very loveable) obese man. I am offended but also I don't care that much and I hope you don't take this joke to heart you probably won't read this anyway I'ma eat my chiken n maccus GOO GOO GAGA
3 aspects of life - you can follow this if you want to no pressure or telling to follow this just understand is best describe humanity on earth. 1) your own choice 2) choices of others 3) your morale compass
This conversation would have been 600,000,000% more productive without Kristen(?). Lyla(?) was somewhat able to be reasonable. But they were both bad faith but the other was just omega bad faith woman victim. If a man talks to her then it will always be from a position of condescension no man can just interact with her all men are bad. It’s actually bad she has children because that means she had sex, probably rape cuz all men are bad, with a man and now her children have an abusive man father.
Pro abortion people love talking morals but what does it mean morally to force a woman to have a kid that doesn't want it? Why would you put a child through that?
Bodily atonomy solves the problems of 2 having bodily atonomy since....to give the baby control of the potential mother, you have to give the baby special bodily rights. If their equal and in conflict the mother have to make the hard choice, not someone else.
Agreed. You can't give a fetus rights without taking some away from the mother, which by default elevates the rights of the fetus above those of the mother.
The non-glasses girl is almost raising a good point around 1:43:20, idk if its a "circular" argument when she says the level of consciousness is "uncertain" and Destiny says it is certain without specifying why, it's definitely a dumb reply from Destiny and the whole line of questioning quickly goes nowhere. If these two ladies were more capable they could of had an interesting conversation about what consciousness IS. Destiny's whole notion of "consciousness" is arbitrarily based on a collection of signals that scientist point to at 20-24 weeks that are similar to signals and processes we view as related to consciousness at later stages of development and growth. SO, what she is struggling to ask is why that collection of indicators is significant, which would then drag the conversation into the realm of science, or at the very least make the development of consciousness more ambiguous. If you take the conversation to a place where you are arguing about whether the first cell of an embryo that will become part of the nervous system can react to stimulation (e.i. pain) you can highlight that the development process at 20-24 weeks is not that different to 19 weeks, 18 weeks, etc. You can push it all the way back to 6 weeks when the nervous system and brain begin developing. As a bonus, one of the weird things about Destiny is he thinks pain response is completely irrelevant, and to such an extreme degree that he has said that animals don't warrant consideration because their pain is meaningless and potentially non-existent, that an animal screaming in pain is like this purely mechanical process. It's borderline unhinged tbh. If you can get to the point where you are reducing consciousness to a mechanism of cells interacting with each other you could potentially get Destiny to say some truly wild shit. Anyway, this whole conversation is dumb af, yeetus that fetus!
4:50 naw man, there absolutely is people out there that take pride in getting abortions. it's not the status quo for the majority of people in america but you have young people with no moral compass that treat abortions like haircuts
@@welcome-to-wonderland if i’m not wrong his position is that it’s ok to have an abortion even if the fetus DOES have personhood because it is a necessary evil to prevent the cost of an influx of new babies that would come in
@@welcome-to-wonderland if there was some way to know for sure that fetuses were people with souls and could think and stuff way early like at 5 weeks or sum, no one in there right mind would say that still up to 20 weeks is ok to have abortions because of the negative implications it would have on the economy
The best part of this debate is when destiny said “oh I’m sorry did I interrupt your question with my answer?” 😂😂😂
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Why is abortion the issue and not the thousands of homeless family-less children in foster care? Hmmmm? 🤔
Cause I don’t think they actually care about children lmao. They like to moral grandstand.
once i was told theres not enough children to adopt anymore bec of abortion LMAO
The homeless families did it to themselves. 🙄
You can care about both issues. And just because a child ends up in foster care doesn't mean they should have been killed in the womb
@@travisw3345being aborted means they never came to existence thus not possible to kill
These women just made me want to get pregnant so I can run out and get an abortion.
You don’t have the guts respectfully. Stop minimizing how difficult it is to get an abortion to make a silly joke.
😂
It’s good to see a debate among 3 strong women!
Fax
Amazin
@@pogo8050BETA!!!
Real 😂
i wish these women knew you didn’t have to talk over your opponent in order to succeed in a debate
I think the glasses girl must be Alex Jones daughter the way she talks over people lmao
That Hatsune Miku sitting beside Destiny is such a skilled debater, the women were quaking in fear
My favourite lines of this debate was that abortions has no relevant to the red pill community because 90% of them are virgin's 😂😂😂
This made me chuckle.
The crazy thing is I bet Brian has no idea what side is on because while the women are advocating for his position, destiny is a man and we all know that he fundamentally hates women
This debate is just so tiresome. These people don’t give a shit about what happens to these children when they’re born - if they did then they wouldn’t spend their time and resources advocating for the ones that haven’t been, they could be helping the children that are already here and need their help the most. It’s literally just about control over women through religion.
No, it's about killing a child. You can't do it just because they'll have a shitty life.
@@travisw3345yes we can and no it’s not a child
Those girls were so annoying because they were so arrogantly wrong🙄
And because all they have to back up their arguments with are religion and shallow appeals to emotion.
they should have shock collars for whenever someone talks out of turn
Congratulations to papa gutt for being 1 of the 30 people left that still play heroes of the storm.
It's a fun game. Way better than Dota 2
It’s really funny and I’m entirely and very pleased that destiny never corrected Kristen when she said he moved from 20-24 weeks down to 20 weeks, and it’s funnier that she thought 21 weeks and 6 days is a gotcha
Yeah that was so dumb. If instructions say cook between 4 and 5 minutes. Everything in between that is valid depending on whether the cooking process.
This probably would have had more potential if they decided to have a moderator
Agreed 😂
Papa you're videos are perfect to watch while eating dinner
I also eat dinner for 2 full hours
as a female member of the “human family” we don’t claim her
1:47:11 destiny actually does ask this question at the end of the 4 hour debate and they just tried to scurt around it for like 10 minutes after choosing the babies over the embryos
Turns out someone in chat said it
…”scurt“ 😂
In a similar vein, I've heard prolife people explicitly state that it's okay to kill an embryo in an IVF clinic's freezer because it's just a frozen embryo, but when it's inside of a woman, it's an unborn child with rights.
Both that and the thought experiment with the burning hospital are enough to tell me that prolife isn't about protecting unborn children at all, but about control.
These women are INSUFFERABLE
I wanna see Hasan or Ethan debate people like this without emploding 😂
Challenge Impossible
They would both destroy these morons
I feel like a good point destiny could’ve made on the what if they’re wrong on either side is, that if pro-lifers are wrong they will be forcing children to be born to parents who will severely abuse/kill them. Which I would argue is worse.
Papa gut is the Ethan Klein we needed
Is the violinist argument just like debunked? I feel like it would be funny to watch them chase each other around the question while destiny tries to clarify. Also I think less than jake and papa gut would be an amazing debate duo
not so much debunked so much as its not a good analogy for consensual sex
I find it funny that the prolifer described a woman going through pregnancy "inconvenient" lmao
And “for 9 months”
People who describe pregnancy and childbirth as merely "inconvenient" have no awareness of the very long list of things that can go wrong, many of which can result in irreversible damage, disability or death.
The dependency argument in regards to life support is funny because i’m pretty sure, at least in the case of old people, they would more than likely be claimed as a dependent with a power of attorney who gets to decide on their life. It’s pretty 1:1 of a mother deciding on a fetus’ “right to life” that is not yet viable outside of her womb.
And the reason you can’t “kill a baby” thats post birth is because it is only now dependent on you based on what would be now classified I guess as a disability and you can’t just kill someone who’s inconveniencing you.
I don't think you can just euthanize someone you have power of attorney over lmao
@@Mrraerae what do you think pulling the plug is then?
@@Mrraerae Terminating life support is a thing. Also, the person with power of attorney can opt to cease or withhold medical treatment if the patient is incapable of advocating for themselves. When you give someone PoA over your medical decisions, you effectively give them the ability to determine whether you live or die should you be rendered incapable or incompetent.
every time religon is brought up on both sides its never used right and most of the time the ppl that use it are not even christian,muslim,jewish,etc
There’s really only two options at this point they are doing it on purpose or they are this deluded
“Etymology? I have some in my freezer”
I was enjoying this latest Papa content when I was suddenly attacked for eating chicken nuggets and mac and cheese I can’t believe you did this to me
Papa reacting to Destiny is my Happy Place :) tbh I'd love to see them do a joint debate or collab.
I second this
My anger issues wouldn’t be able to deal with this debate if I was there. The girls are so irritating lol
I go the extreme: I think abortion should be the default. People need to prove they are capable of being a parent in order to be granted the right to be pregnant.
So do this mean kids have authority over parents? Parents choose if you want to be here or not, the doctors cant say if you want to live or not if you have the money and resources you can substain both but if a parent literally doesn't have the resources to take care of a child they should just get thrown in a fosters care like we have many outstanding citizens coming from them. Getting rid of it would be silly
Why does it feel like these two women are treating all those 'potential unique individual human beings' like Pokémon? GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL!
Did one of these women say she’s a doctor? Absolutely wild
The fact that they talked over him constantly because what he was saying threatened their ideology is all the proof you need that they dont even believe in the shit their saying 🎉
you are correct papa the meme in destiny's community is that he wants to go back to Nebraska Steve.
That conversation needed a buzzin before talking. You would hear that thing every other word spoken.
Thank you for reacting. Couldn’t watch this alone. I can’t believe she just 1:31:10 no fucking way.
This mediator 🚮
Omfg “killing a comatose person with a gun” rofl, a brave take. We use “unplug”, right? Oh god.
Are these people real
"You are inventing a false hypothetical that doesn't exist in the real world." yeah no fucking shit that's why it's a hypothetical jesus christ 🤣
Those women are just so painfully uneducated, talking about what ifs with God and heaven. Then refusing to let Destiny speak, using anecdotal evidence. If you can’t prove when someone has sentience, you can’t prove when they do or don’t feel pain. Plain and simple, but they refuse to acknowledge any other view points by talking over people constantly.
Papa is morbidly a beast
thank you for the commentary fat destiny
I'm one of those anti-abortion people who also thinks we should be doing anything and everything to support the pregnant person and the child. Lila Rose and Kristan Hawkins couldn't care less. It's just virtue signaling
Maybe God is just like us, loves to fuck shit up and watch the drama unfold
I thought aborting was when you don't want or cant care for the baby. Disingenuous to equivalate someone trying their best to keep a baby before a term date, to someone having a decision to not wanting a child. This is a weird argument
Papa I love you in the most un-weird un-parasocial platonic (insert all the boundaries here) way but HOW DARE YOU dog on adult people who eat chicken nuggets and Mac n cheese on a regular when you sir are a (very loveable) obese man. I am offended but also I don't care that much and I hope you don't take this joke to heart you probably won't read this anyway I'ma eat my chiken n maccus GOO GOO GAGA
two people that think a foetus is a child and one that doesnt think a foetus is a child. waste of time arguing
3 aspects of life - you can follow this if you want to no pressure or telling to follow this just understand is best describe humanity on earth.
1) your own choice
2) choices of others
3) your morale compass
hearing her appeal to the latin entomology of the word child grew my brain tumor another 3 cm and now I can't see the color orange
This conversation would have been 600,000,000% more productive without Kristen(?). Lyla(?) was somewhat able to be reasonable. But they were both bad faith but the other was just omega bad faith woman victim. If a man talks to her then it will always be from a position of condescension no man can just interact with her all men are bad. It’s actually bad she has children because that means she had sex, probably rape cuz all men are bad, with a man and now her children have an abusive man father.
Pro abortion people love talking morals but what does it mean morally to force a woman to have a kid that doesn't want it? Why would you put a child through that?
"You should agree with us because slavery happened" is essentially their only angle
Bodily atonomy solves the problems of 2 having bodily atonomy since....to give the baby control of the potential mother, you have to give the baby special bodily rights. If their equal and in conflict the mother have to make the hard choice, not someone else.
Agreed. You can't give a fetus rights without taking some away from the mother, which by default elevates the rights of the fetus above those of the mother.
The non-glasses girl is almost raising a good point around 1:43:20, idk if its a "circular" argument when she says the level of consciousness is "uncertain" and Destiny says it is certain without specifying why, it's definitely a dumb reply from Destiny and the whole line of questioning quickly goes nowhere. If these two ladies were more capable they could of had an interesting conversation about what consciousness IS.
Destiny's whole notion of "consciousness" is arbitrarily based on a collection of signals that scientist point to at 20-24 weeks that are similar to signals and processes we view as related to consciousness at later stages of development and growth. SO, what she is struggling to ask is why that collection of indicators is significant, which would then drag the conversation into the realm of science, or at the very least make the development of consciousness more ambiguous.
If you take the conversation to a place where you are arguing about whether the first cell of an embryo that will become part of the nervous system can react to stimulation (e.i. pain) you can highlight that the development process at 20-24 weeks is not that different to 19 weeks, 18 weeks, etc. You can push it all the way back to 6 weeks when the nervous system and brain begin developing.
As a bonus, one of the weird things about Destiny is he thinks pain response is completely irrelevant, and to such an extreme degree that he has said that animals don't warrant consideration because their pain is meaningless and potentially non-existent, that an animal screaming in pain is like this purely mechanical process. It's borderline unhinged tbh. If you can get to the point where you are reducing consciousness to a mechanism of cells interacting with each other you could potentially get Destiny to say some truly wild shit.
Anyway, this whole conversation is dumb af, yeetus that fetus!
Could have done without the max and cheese slander
Omg them interrupting every second is so irritating
unironically I actually think the artificial womb thing is the solution.
I see, these women are activists....for anti abortion...
I like when destiny gave up and started yelling
C'mon Papa. The Weasley's have like 8 kids. You really think they're ok with abortions?
Papa guts God talk Is so funny
Very beta of destiny to get steamrolled by women
Maybe they have ear plugs in
how do we have too many white people?
Destiny really was making points that just would never happen and way to coincidental
5 minutes earlier
So destiny say you meet God...
Destiny is great, i dont care what anyone says.
51:26 this is based papa, I dislike her particularly more and this might be why
1 day or 9 months, i do not care. if someone wants to abort it then abort it 😭
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AWFUL MODERATOR... i almost cant watch this
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4:50 naw man, there absolutely is people out there that take pride in getting abortions. it's not the status quo for the majority of people in america but you have young people with no moral compass that treat abortions like haircuts
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I love destiny😩😩
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Pog
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Love you father gut but you probably have by far the WORST possible take on abortion
how so?
@@welcome-to-wonderland if i’m not wrong his position is that it’s ok to have an abortion even if the fetus DOES have personhood because it is a necessary evil to prevent the cost of an influx of new babies that would come in
@@welcome-to-wonderland if there was some way to know for sure that fetuses were people with souls and could think and stuff way early like at 5 weeks or sum, no one in there right mind would say that still up to 20 weeks is ok to have abortions because of the negative implications it would have on the economy