Mafia City of Lost Heaven Retro Review - Worthabuy?
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So glad I was working on this game for a bit (until I was trasfered to the second team of the same company to work on Hidden&Dangerous series). Good old times :-)
I also ran the UK Hidden and dangerous fan site, used to chat on ICQ to a few of the guys at IS
H&D2 probably the most underrated multiplayer game ever. It was everything I wanted day of defeat 2.0b to be!
Yep. Long long time ago. I was moved from Mafia team to H&D team to work on the HD1 datadics (fight for freedom?). I left IS few weeks before the release of H&D2.
I can imagine. It's my top 3 all time games. The atmosphere in this game is so amazing! This game was a decade ahead of its time. H&D was also a great series! Damn, gaming was good back then :(
Hidden & Dangerous was also an amazing game!
Summary
Playing this again after about 13 years was very emotional, especially as I ran the UK Mafia fan site all them years ago. It's a game that will always be special to me as it brought me well over 1000 hours of joy. The story is great, the immersion of the city, music and character are unsurpassed by any game since. Then when it's all over you have a huge sand box to play with in free ride mode and free ride extreme, it's a gaming masterpiece.
Sure it feels dated when you play it in 2017 but it still got me totally immersed as I drove my little banger around the City, over the bridges, into the country, it's a proper game, when games were great. At £7 it's a steal, hell it's worth £7 to drive around the world listening to the radio and feeling that 1930's America immersion as you avoid the cops and obey the traffic lights, knowing you have a Thompson machine gun on your lap should things get out of hand.
Mac you srsly need to make a rant about this:
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The rant is gonna be glorious :) cant wait!
P.S. Multiple bells needed.
I'll never forget disappearing into a city tram just as the police rush into the aftermath of the church "altercation". Evading the police so smoothly after such a scene is one of the most epic memories I have from gaming.
Never played this, and definitely will now
You are easily one of the best video game reviewers out there. I love these throw back reviews I recently just went back and played mafia and Mafia II, I couldn’t agree with you more.
i don't agree on the soundtrack. maybe it fits the game, but i just hear "roalty free action music". Try Hotline Miami, Saviors, Desync and Distance for truly great Music.
Edit: and if you like Orchestra music like the Mafia Theme, maybe the Musical "Chess", The Mission or some Ennio Morricone.
I literally started playing it a day ago.. I was wondering how you didn't have a retro review of the Mafia. I'm still fascinated how the developers achieved all this in 2002. Just a phenomenal game in so many aspects.
2002 was around the time of the 1ghz processor at standard, with 256mb ram min usually. You can do a lot with that. The fact they used blend spaces on the lips to make the faces look animated was ace at the time.
Yes mate, I know. I was 9 at the time and me parents still haven't bought me a PC. And when they did, in 2004. it was so awful that it couldn't play any of the legendary PC games like Mafia for example. Counter Strike 1.2 and a couple, literally couple, of other games worked. But all the Need for Speeds, basically anything just wouldn't work, so.... I played almost every game like an asocial nerd guy with my friends. The only reason why I hang out with those couple of guys hah.
So nowadays I'm like a "graphics whore" when I see a game it's always graphics first, I know, it's an a disgusting way of looking at games. However, I still don't play 90% of the games, even the "pretty" ones. It's just so dumb, limited, unoriginal, storyless, featureless, non-innovative.. So to me watching WoB videos is really interesting, since Mack has such a great experience of games, completely opposite of me in every way, so I always love to hear his critics about the new games or praises about with the retro reviews. :)
@@tlita93 Did you play Kingdom Come Deliverance? Same lead developer/artist as Mafia, but it is a medieval setting. Story driven RPG, but requires good PC though. The nature looks like nothing extra at first look, until you realise it looks exactly like real thing and does so everywhere on the 4 x 4 km map.
@@tehf00n I notices that when I first started playing with the morphers on the cutscene character faces in 3DS Max. So good!
It was such a good game, so many people rip on it's "open world" for being "empty" but it's complete bollocks, Mafia was never about "filler" side-missions and things like GTA/ubisoft games, the map wasn't meant to be littered with shit filler "collectibles" and other trivial shit.
It was a great story focused game set in an immersive world that helped elevate the games story and gameplay.
I loved how they actually had traffic laws, speed limits, etc and cops would chase you and give you tickets, etc. This made the parts where you actually needed to speed an dthings more exciting because of the additional risks.
Unlike GTA where you can literally just zoom around with no regard to anything.
It's a shame that Mafia 3 basically threw ALL of this out the window in favor of "grindy" filler copy and pasted bullshit just to get to the "story" missions and threw out all of the traffic laws and other things to making it unrealistic just like GTA.
The 3rd game was a major disappointment for most fans of the Mafia franchise. Myself included.. but even before the game dropped an actual trailer, I had a lot of doubt about its quality. The first red light was when the license was bought off / transfered (or whatever the hell happened there) to 2K. And then, when I got to know that the 3rd game will have completly different developers.
They took the short way of your typical modern 3rd person sandbox GTA-esque mixture with a somewhat decent story. But I'd never guess that they'd make it out to be a chore when attempting to move the story by doing just the main missions. It fell short to the classic tropes of prioritizing what the casual gamers look fordward to these days.
Or what the developers can get away with.
Large map, shitload of uninteresting filler content, repetitive side missions, dozens of glitches on launch with technical issues, messed up PC port and of course.. the downgraded features. Because with sequels years apart these days, we always gotta have 5 new gameplay features and 10 older ones either toned down or removed completly.
Problem is that these things didn't happen just to the Mafia franchise. More games will follow, or already did. Though we still got some pretty good sequels being released, or an occasional unique game with interesting new concepts done well. Can't be all negative about modern gaming.
you're comparing ubisoft with rockstar? thats a fuckin blasphemy...
rockstar dont have filler missions in their games, its all about the story and the cinematics with them...thats why in gta 5 for example you have 70 (GTA SA 100) main story missions, whereas ubisoft, 2k, avalanche and other companies, that are making open world games, put 13 main story missions in their games....
@@denisliber6740 rockstar don't have filler mission? really?! don't think so at all.
Its nice to have other things to do in an open world outside the story. Just to add depth and diversity to the game and a reason to explore.
I love how in mafia you can fill up fuel and get into proper fist fights.. I wish they had those attention to details in games, some open world games don't even have speedometers in the cars.
More retro game reviews!
Evil GST if I had to give some examples i would like to see the baldur's gate series and planescape torment all of them have enhanced editions out.
the opening music was divine, always has goosebumps...and the ending was just perfect and heart breaking.
Missions were intense. A special video game.
And you had the shitty english dabbing, in czech it was dubbed by best actors in the country. Maybe because we dub a lot of english films into czech, even the best actors take dubbing jobs willingly.
I remember failing that race over and over again haha. Im a stubborn fucker so I never gave up and done it on my 50th try or something
yep everyone found that a pain in the arse, took me and a friend many tries
Ya the only time I had to drop difficulty settings
They nerfed the race. In newer releases you can adjust the difficulty. In the original release you could cheat during the race by taking a 'short cut' for a guaranteed win.
From what I remember they made it skippable in a later patch. But it was like a game inside a game.
I remember ramming the other car that always won off the track, easy win once I'd taken him out :D
Back in 2002 I was 9 years old and every day after school I was so excited to go home and play with Mafia after I've done the homework. I spent hundreds of hours in the free ride modes doing silly shit and it was so much fun thanks to the living city and physics. And of course the story is simply brilliant.
I was totally addicted to Mafia 1, GTA III, GTA Vice City, Rollercoaster Tycoon 2, Max Payne 1, Battlefield 1942 and NFS Hot Pursuit 2. I miss those days.
Very good experience
I was 1 yr old in 2002
i was 0@@roshanraj9272
One of the greats. RIP golden age of gaming.
We need another video game crash and start over.
When this game came out, the graphics were absolutely AMAZING. I bought this game as an impulse buy and damn did I have a great time playing through it. Loved the racing section...
I feel that the game has aged well. It has a very "clean" look to it, if that makes any sense.
Makes lots of sense. It holds up better today than so many other games of that era...
Oh the memories I had with this game, this truly is one of the best games ever made back in the golden age of gaming.
The music was made by the filharmonic orchestra in Prague, since it's a czech game.
Dude this game if from Czech Rep. Not from Ukraine :-)
Yes it is, I apologise :)
When this game first came out I must have spent a binge week playing this till the milk ran out of my nipples.
Intriguing, but highly disturbing
You should of tasted it... highly not recommended
Mr Salieri sends his regards
I love this game, I wasn't seen for ages when this came out playing this. I agree one of the best games ever made there is no story like this nowadays that is executed right but this was spot on. You felt like a real mafia. Class game and love the channel
I've never played this game and you made me excited to play it, gotta play it next weekend. You made me excited to play a 15 year old game.. thank you Mack. Thank God for Mack.
P.s I haven't been excited for a game in years.
Damn I’ve been missing these retro reviews. So glad they’re back, great work
This game truly does hold up, and I highly suggest anyone to look past the graphics and give this game a try. (There is also a mod that increases the awful default view distance)
Hey Mack, that was a lovely review of a golden oldie... actually a platinum with diamond on top oldie it's that good. I know Patrick Marek as well, and he was one of the devs of Mafia 1. You might be interesting to know that he created the Marek LMP cars in Project CARS 1 and 2. You might want to check them out if you haven't.
These days he does Assetto Corsa mods and professionally CG for hollywood blockbusters, but he was the one who did the driving line and so on for the AI in that racing mission. This because he was an avid sim racer back than, and he told me that the race was originally much harder even but he was told to make it easier. Go figure! :D
I enjoy your videos so much! My new favorite channel :) I'm glad you're there to remind people games used to be a lot better and show them why. Hopefully we can make those times come back! You've got my Patreon support.
I remember renting this game as a kid, I was blown away by the fact that you could see vapours coming out of the car exhaust and the fact that bullets left bullet holes in cars
The ballistics were pretty good. They later used the same but modified engine for Hidden and Dangerous 2, which is in my opinion the absolute best squad based (and realistic) combat game ever made. It did so many things that nothing else seems to have quite gotten right since, or took a good while to manage it. Like rag doll. It was the first game I recall having realistic rag doll where a killed foe actually had mass and didn't just bounce and return to a null state. If you shot someone in the face, they dropped like a sack of shit as you'd expect someone to drop when shot in the face. The sneaking mechanics were pretty damn great too.
Of all the shitty games we see getting remakes/HD make overs these days the Hidden and Dangerous franchise is something I'd love to see (properly of course). I'd also love to see G-Police and Wipeout make a return, imagine the game you could make now with the modern engines and computing power in something like G-Police? It was pretty damn amazing and head of its time. Just like Mafia.
I remember when I first saw Mafia..it was like playing in a movie, like living in the game..I mean it was this against the GTA Vice City...you couldn't even compare those two...this game is Legendary and our national treasure. Anyway I think you might be interested in Kingdom Come: Deliverance it's made by the same Author and it will hopefully bring back the proper game feel
This is the first game I ever played and it blew my mind back then. From graphics to gameplay to the story. Every single aspect of the game was briliant and still is. :) Everyone should buy this game and you Mac thank you for sharing it to ur channel and reminding me of this game. I might even buy it to play again. :)
Also Mac can u do review for the old Commandos strategy games? :D
One of the earliest PC games I played and still remains one of my favourites. So glad you gave a nod to the fantastic soundtrack, the first time the intro played and that music kicks in is a moment I will never forget.
I just played F.E.A.R. (2005) because you mentioned the excellent enemy AI. That was a great game, thanks.
thanks, i'll check it out!
Awesome video mate :) I had this game on PS2 myself back in the day and absolutely loved it it's definitely a very unheralded and underappreciated classic in my humble opinion. I'll definitely be purchasing this on GOG and revisiting it ASAP if only for nostalgia purposes.
Such an Epic game.... so many hours spent
I remember this so well. Absolutely brilliant. And the cars even have indicators!
Love to see more retro reviews. Great work - please keep it up.
Thanks :) I will be doing more.
I came your channel through your city car driving review..I can connect with you considering you are from ninties.. Mafia is one of the best game ever..such immersion and stories,,classic
This real review is why I sub to you. bet this game on pc and xbox.
Mac, I was so glad to see you review this game. I remember playing it back in 2003 when I had a terrible computer and even though I had to play it on low settings, I couldn't put the game down. This game is truly one in a million and it's sad that we will likely never see a game of this quality ever again. But on the bright side, to address your statement of the game looking dated, there is a very solid HD texture pack available as well as 1080p+ support mods that will make the game look incredible. Check them out if you're interested. Great review!
I loved that race. Those turns! High in low out. And stuffing the other car up before the race was awesome too.
Thanks bud I was trying to find this and you just told me were to get it :). So now I have it and I'm looking forward to playing it later :). Liked and shared for you too.
Great review - got a sub from it. The graphics have their own charm too and can remember being astounded by it graphically. The details on the cars and the world was phenomenal.
One of my earliest PC gaming experiences and one of the best games I've ever played to this day
Can't agree with you more, Mack. I would spend hours & hours of just driving around in this game, listening to that radio. It was wonderful. Thanks for bringing back so many memories.
After so many years and games, this one is still my favorite game of all time!.
Coincidently I'm playing Mafia 2 past couple weeks, the attention to detail really shines and graphics still hold up today. Look forward to trying this out when I finish.
did not give a flying hooter of wether you did or did not recommended mafia or not!! only watched it to bring back my memories! god ive sunk so many hours in this game! Popping to GOG today to buy for sure as my original discs are screwed!
Thanks for bringing this up!
That racing part.. first time I ever broke a controller.
Geat Video, please consider doing more of these Retro Reviews.
Some suggestions:
- Thief 1 and 2
- Gothic 1 and 2
- Deus Ex
Today I watch your Mafia 3 Worthabuy video, and now this ? xD
I just complete this one a few days ago btw :D
This brings back sooo much good memories as a kid on the ps2
Just compare Mafia 1,2 and 3. The decrease in quality is very apparent.
fcukugimmeausername I really enjoyed Mafia 2, was let down by the gameplay of mafia 3. All 3 have great music though.
I didn't like mafia 2 as much as 1. It had a good potential but since Daniel Vavra left development team lot of feature have been deleted and side missions have been redone in to DLC which is boring. If they realeased the game with all side mission and features that we can see on E3 and development footage it would be game of the year.
Weeell I'd say Mafia 2 is equally good, but while it fixed things from mafia 1 it also lost something on the way... Replay Value. The Immersion is there, like the original game, the story is still decent, but not having a free-ride mode just breaks things. I mean they give you this immense open sandbox world that is actually far more alive than in mafia 1, so what if you can't have time or incentive to appreciate it. It's like they put a 5 kilogram Cake of your beloved falvour on the table, and you get to enjoy a thin slice like as if you'e on a diet.
This is my favorite video of yours, Mack!
I remember this one well. So many great moments. My personal fave is the farm shootout on that stormy night. So fucking tense.
"I always remember the race"
That made me laugh out loud. I had forgotten about that. Blanked it out of my mind.
Fuck, now I will have to play it again. You made me remember those sweet sweet bloody memories. It hit me right in the feels in the end man. And this game did different character endings way back then, a gem this game a complete classic gem.
Solid review mate :) Thank you!
never did pick this game up. But you have convinced me to pick it up this weekend alongside a couple of beers :)
Love your retro video's :)
This is one of my favorite experiences gaming.
I was hoping that you'd review this. I'm so happy it's on GOG now, before I bought the CD copy.
This game was incredible! I'm so happy to see it reviewed
Fantastic video, one of your best if not the best, Mack.
Definitely one of the best games ever written. The ending was top notch.
I was a member of your forum mac. Didn't realise you ran it. It was a great community.
There's many standout missions in this game, but the one that sticks with me most is the mission it to the farm at night. There's thunder and lighting and it was pissing rain. It was tense, and absolutely dripped atmosphere. The sound added greatly to this. Tree branches cracking in the wind, and barn doors banging away like a Vietnamese hooker. Phenomenal stuff.
Also, at the time I remember being blown away with the graphics. Even daft wee things like the cigar/fag smoke and the glowing ends off them.
As a result of this game, I was really disappointed in Mafia 2 and 3. They just couldn't reach those same heights in which was probably damn near the pinnacle of gaming IMHO.
Thanks for the fond trip down memory lane.
Made in Czech Republic, just like Hidden and Dangerous !!! by Daniel Vávra creator of upcoming Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Mafia ending 10/10
i see that green fps counter in the top left mack shadow play is good isn't it ?
Soundtrack of this game is stuck in my brain since 2003 ... one of the best games ever .
Mafia was, and in fact is still one of the best games ever created. PC of course is where to play at its best. Wonderful story, marvelous characters, incredibile graphics for a 2001 game and incredible physics too! My god I fell in love instantly with this game back in the day. Beautiful review by the way
Yo Mack have you ever played any of the Gothic games?
Been going through your reviews, I love em, and I was a console gamer when this came out I was so envious of PC gamers. Thankfully it did come to console and I got to play it and while im sure alterations were made it was still largely the same game and I enjoyed it thoroughly.
That being said I think nostalgia might be tinting things here, I did play this not that long ago, tried going through it again before Mafia 2 came out. And I gotta be frank, it did not age at all. I had to bail on it very early on.
Probably the last cultural export of my country. Apart from jagr, I guess.
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I’m 15 and have played all these games because I grew up playing them, this is because my dad would want me to play them because he loves games! I’m so glad he let me play these classics, I have great memories with these games
Cannot agree more. I played this game back in 03 and it was such an experience, comparing to the newest mafia and open world game it really lacks the heart and effort of this masterpiece, can't believe they could actually pull this off with so much attention to detail and realistic physics and cutscenes 15 years ago! Developers now need to look back from this game and learn to instil passion in games! hope to see game like this quality again in this generation
I remember there was ammo loss on this game when reloading! Love small details like that.
I can never get any of my friends to play it. They say the graphics are outdated, but they really don't know what they are missing out on.
One of my all time favourites from back in the day - Think a re-purchase is in order!
Loved this game. Seem to remember I spent more than an hour on the racing mission, it was that frustrating. That mission is the only downside though in an otherwise great game. Thanks for reviewing this Mack and bringing back golden memories playing this.
I still play this game on my PlayStation 2! :D it’s such an awesome game!
MaKiNITHaPPeN0
I'm afraid to tell you this but,
The console ports of this game is a downgraded verison of the original PC ports.
YESSS!!! Have wanted this game for so long now, and it should run great on my sh!t pc haha! Truly made my day, thanks Mac!
Running with Rifles is getting a DLC soon, would you do a review on that? Just wondering.
It's amazing what Dan Vávra and his little crew did back then. It's "original" Czech voiceover is really good too. Childhood memories...
THIS. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF REVIEWS I WANT.
Wow, had a lot of memories with this game when i was a young kid.
Hi. what to do with my original 3cd version to be able to play on win10? maybe a quick tutorial?
I remember the game intro being awesome at the time, I think I watched it a few times before playing the game.
Such a great game, one if my favourite features was the manual gearbox setting. It's a shame they didn't have that setting in the sequels.
Thanks for the review Mack. This brings back some good memories. The game was really very immersive, I actually felt like a mobster in the 1930s, doing my day-to-day shady business and climbing up the criminal career ladder. The story was good, the missions were very interesting. I like Mafia better than GTA games of the early 2000s, because GTA doesn't take itself seriously. The things you do in GTA games are just ridiculous.
I remember you once said that you didn't like Mafia 2. Why didn't you like it?
Oh my god the race... you never forget games like this, ever ! Also, you have to shoot more than 4-5 bullets full auto on the Tommy Gun and the recoil gets better after that
i think Mafia is in my top 3 games hands down and i've been playing games since 1988. I played it multiple times. Good times...
Oh the memories! I was 12 when it came out, loved it so much.
Buying this instantly, I have been looking a copy for years now but I have never found a digital version of this. Finally I can get it.
Best game ever. Back in the day when it came out I remember playing this. At night driving felt like it was real.
I was surprised to hear that you didn't like the gun play. A lot of people don't like it but for me it's one of the highlights. The shells hitting the ground. The magazine staying there after it hits the ground. Just feels sexy. And to control the Tommy gun you need to just pull the mouse down while shooting. It's challenging but can be done. I loved the gun fights in this. The first one at the diner/petrol station is one of the most memorable ones for me. I thought it looked so cool. I love how everything looks.
100% with you on this. I'm always looking for a game that competes with this and I'm yet to find it!
I remember the race mission, it was almost impossible to complete and, if I recall, they released a patch to reduce the difficulty level because people were going ape shit about it.
Loved the old Mafia game....so immersive and the story was believable. Love your honest and frank reviews. 👍
Immersion is the right word. I remember buying this when I was around 14-15, and playing the hell out of it. The mission where you raid a church funeral actually impacted me to the point where I felt so bad about it, I couldn't sleep at night. Intense game!
Remember the mission, where you had to load a truck with boxes? One box at a time and do it quick enough before the guard comes back. Nowadays, there would just be a cutscene for that.
Absoutle amazing game Mack. The missions "You Lucky Bastard" and "Great Deal" absoutle trump anything on PS4 today. This was such a retro delight, one of my all time favourite games.
Completely agree this game was brilliant back in the day. I used to play it with a force feed back wheel for driving along with keyboard and mouse. This is something that wouldn't even be imagined today. I struggle to find some game worth any time these days.
Everything you're describing reminds me of GTA SA multiplayer. There was this server called Next Generation Roleplay. Essentially you could do whatever the hell you wanted. So fun. Join a gang, join the police force, army, become a paramedic, become a trucker, pizza delivery boy, drug dealer, drug smuggler, join a street racing club, run for office, become a body guard, grow some weed, become a fucking lawyer, go to court, sit in a jury, etc etc. So fucking great. All of it was so realistic when the players would go along with it. Had to fill up gas in your car, had to call a mechanic (who was another player) if your car was damaged. The admins were ontop of it. It was amazing. The level of immersion was insane. You could literally be whoever you wanted to be.
This entire game is a masterpiece, one small detail I enjoyed that I haven't seen in any other open world is that drivers signal when making turns and changing lanes. An unbelievably good game with a great story.
Best music of any game, ever. I have very fond memories playing this.
4 years ago when this video was released Mack could never envision the Queen dying. So sorry for your loss Mack
Yup, my favourite game ever. And with the Remastered mod it even looks great 👌🏻
Finished this game like 100 times on my PS2! Good old days.
CANT WAIT FOR THE REMASTER!!!
Mac forgot to mention as the game progresses and you advance through the decades the cars actually change according to the time period. Fantastic game I played this for hundreds of hours with a force feedback wheel and pedals. I even spent countless hours unlocking all the secret cars in sandbox/challenge mode.