My SONY F3 Camera Rig for 2022!
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2021
- Update to my last video about the sony f3 talking about it for 2021!
It's almost a new year and it is time for an upgrade!
My sony PMW F3 has been rigged out with V-mount, Atomos Recorder, and a Portkeys EVF. This is how a cinecamera should be rigged out!
Let me know what you think! - Фільми й анімація
great build out! Love the F3, such a classic camera with a great look. You are putting it to good use!
This setup is simply genius!
I would love a list of all your upgrades to the camera 😃
Just started building my f3 rig, thanks for the inspiration!
Sweet!.Good luck with the build!
I own an F3. Keep making these
Great build and demonstration.
Bought mine for 400 euros this fall. It had a whole 2 hours of use time in it (was some old insurance company salvage). It was cheap because the PL-adapter was a little broken (I didn't mind that). Together with SD-card adapter, EF-adapter and a 24 mm Samyang lens (used) it totaled to about 900 euros. It's considerably less than what I've used to buy photographing tools in the past, but just enough to have a fun and capable tool to play with during the weekends. Originally I just wanted to have something to go together with my Mavic 2 pro videos I've been making a few years. After buying the Sony the tables have turned (perhaps as they should) that now the drone footage goes together with regular video footage as "main attraction".
Great deal man! I have a 24mm Samyang on my F3 about 90% of the time. Great combo. Especially when cropping to 2:35:1. Tight enough for depth of field and wide enough to get the environment around the subject.
@ I have to agree. I've used the 24 mm almost exclusively too after buying it. It really fits well together with the F3.
I'm not sure if you mentioned this, but the F3 has an Expanded Focus feature, where it zooms into the image to help nail focus. It only zooms into the middle, and probably only helps if you use the F3's screen, but its been working well for me and is surprisingly sharp.
yes its true. however if you use an evf or monitor its no use for you.
Great update Josef! That turned into a beast of a camera, haha :D I got a F3 this year and don't regret the purchase. Really great camera. I have a few clips on my YT channel.
Thx Matthias, I have checked out your videos before! looks great. What mount do you use when u shoot with the Meike lens?
@ thx Josef. I use the PL mount version of the Meike lenses. Not sure if that was the best decision because it can be tricky to mount these on EF mount cameras. But still I like the quality of the lenses.
@@bobtronic73 I think it was a good chice. I actually orderd a pictor pl zoom for it but they messed up my order so i canceld it. Owning pl glass opens up possibilties to shoot with the big boys. And they can usualy be adapted. 👍
@ Yeah, no regrets here :) keep up the great work.
Great looking rig Josef! I'm putting my own F3 rig together and was wondering if you had a more itemized list of everything on this rig as I'd really like to use yours for inspiration but can't quite tell what everything is.
This would be great!
i love that rig !!!
Great camera! I have the big Sony F35 beast, but happy to see people still using these older cinema cameras. I prefer my F35 to modern cameras under $15k! Heavy puppy though.
F35 its a monster :)
Beautiful!
I still use this camera for studio work, the CineAlta color with S-Log is amazing. I fixed the focus problem by mounting a cheap 12" monitor on top with a baby pin to 3/4" adapter. I also bought for it an O"Connor 50D head which is very affordable way to mount a heavier rig on a tripod. But the hand-grip and native FZ mount are basically useless, and the menu system sucks if you have to make changes frequently. That's why I liked just setting everything once for the studio and leaving it like that. This was the same problem with the Sony F35 too, annoying as fuck to change settings. This is why I switched to Blackmagic for any kind of field work, though I know the F5 has better navigation.
Cool! I find that the best way to shoot with it is just cine Ei mode. The only thing I do in the menu is changing Trim DB depending on what Mic I run with it. And that is a bonus most cameras cant do. Rest of the settings can be changed on the camerabody. Like The WB button. Nd filter and so on. But i agree the black magic cameras are super simple to run. I loved my Ursa for the ease of use. I'll check the tripod head. Thanks for the tip!
wow great job!!
Great video; your original F3 video inspired me to get one. I currently use it with an OKC 50 mm Russian lens and record to a cinedeck. I recorded a Shang chi review on it and it looks pretty good. I just gotta working on building out the rig and working on getting my better audio. The pre amps on my f3 I believe are damaged. Also contemplating getting an fz to Ef mount for it from optix. I currently have a Zeiss cp3 85mm lens I’m using with a canon 1DC. I’m wondering if it’s worth getting the mount adaptor to use it with the f3. Keep the vids coming. Your channel rocks!
Hey man! Thanks for your kind words. Whats wrong with your sound? In my new video i show how to trim the gain in audio settings. That might help if your sound is distorted. If you want to keep investing in ef glas. Witch sounds lika good plan. Get the adapter and use it att full potential. 👍unless you wanna sell your f3.
Thank you! I’ll def check that video out. I record to a wireless senheizzer g4 mke2 lavalier mic. There’s always like a humming pitch noise and the audio usually sounds low. I got a juicedbox pre amp to try to send the signal there and then to the f3 but so far the best audio I get is when I record straight to the canon 1DC cause I can monitor the noise level directly. I think I’m prob doing something wrong with gain levels or in post cause there must be a way to get a clean loud audio signal and remove the humming pitch at the same time it sounds like background static like noise. Audio seems so much more complicated tyrants video to me but I’m prob doing something wrong.
@@ValsVerdict You need to adjust Gain in the transmitter and Trim gain in f3 audio inputs. I would skip the box. You only need to set your levels on camera one time and then you are good to record internally.
Will try it out and see how it works; thanks for the advice! 🙏🏼
Initially thought it will be monstrous rig of the Sony FX3
I would never do that. Fx3 is compact and great!
Hey Josef! What a great video, I was totally surprised to finally see a brand new video about the F3 on the interwebs. I also own the F3 and I never had any issues with soft images on my Atomos Recorder. HOWEVER I am using the Atomos Blade with SDI input and I am recording all my footage in 1080i25. Many external recorders don't like that resolution and have problems displaying it properly. Maybe thats the way to a solution for your issue. Hope you release more awesome stuff in the near future! Cheers :)
Thanks man! The image on my monitor looks interlaced. Id say it looks like 1080i but it only displays ONE field. So basicly half the resolution. Its not enough resolution to to see eye focus. Even when puncing in. Its strange...
@ I see. Thats a weird issue, but apparently many manufacturers go this 'lazy' route to save computing power in their monitors. And you're totally right, it's basically impossible to nail critical focus but it's good to see that there might be a workaround with your viewfinder. I was also wondering: What kind of color profile do you use with your F3? Is it a modified S-Log or a totally custom color matrix?
@@SrabbelOnUA-cam Its the standard S-log profile. Right now I just have it in cine IE mode all the time. In davinci resolve I start with a color transform. I set the gamma to Sony Slog but I use Arri Alexa as the input color profile. It's unclear what color space the F3 is actually using. It's not S-gammut that's for sure. I sometimes let the output be Timeline(rec709) but sometimes convert it to Alexa and LogC and then use the Arri lut. Sometimes one or the other looks better depending on scene and situation. And then colorbalance the image from there. I usually shift it sligly towards green as I find that more pleasing to the eye.
@ I also prefer the Alexa color input after trying different profiles. You seem to have a pretty good understanding of the F3's color, it'd be awesome to see more on that in an upcoming video :)
@@SrabbelOnUA-cam Sure. There is no videos about it as far as i can see. ill record a grading session sometime and post it :)
I love this camera. I actually have two of them. The image simply looks great. In fact I find them very compatible with my Alexa Classic. Generally, I use a PIX-E5 monitor/recorder with them because you can zoom in on the Pix to check focus. One thing which is also excellent : The 1% spotmeter box at the center of the miniscreen. If you use a standard grey card or circular grey card reflector and hit 38% with it in front of your subject or face, all the other values automatically fall into place for exposure in SLOG. This is quick and invaluable and I really wish other cameras had this tool.
Hey, I was wondering, since you're using a 444 recorder, how much of a difference does it make to record 444 (in dpx?) vs the 10 bit 422 prores?
@@muziektelevisie 10 bit 422 prores is certainly enough. you can also do 444 prores, but frankly unless you are doing green screen or FX, it's really not necessary.
nice video! im not an f3 user but i enjoyed anyways
Hey can you share what accessory you used for the 15mm rods on the top plate?
Hi. A happy F3 owner here! Thanks for the video and for sharing your set up with us. I have a lot of doubts about the dual-link outputs of this camera. I don't seem to be able to understand what it is and how it works. And how much the quality in the different settings changes...
Do you know any more about that?
Hey man! No, I can't get the dual-link to work at all but I have the RGB update so I don't need Dual-link for 50/60P. This is how I can get my f3 to shoot 50/60P external:
ua-cam.com/video/TjT1mhV-lsI/v-deo.html
Hi Koen. I own one also. If I remember correctly, you would use dual-link to output 10 bit 4:4:4 video signal. I have a Odyssey 7Q and that's the way to get the best quality out of this camera.
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This is great! Love my f3 - question how / where / when did you get the technica armor? Can't find it anywhere!
also what camera bag was that? thanks!
@@kevosi Yo! the bag is Tenba Cineluxe 24. Great buy.
I bought it with it. It came out on an eBay auction I austrailia. Paid like a 1000 Euro in just tax and postage to get it here to sweden. It such an unusual find I just had to get it. paid about 2500 total for it.
@ wow lucky!
Hey Josef brother! I’m almost tempted to pull out my F3 that is gathering dust but I’ll have to stick with the FX9 for now. But man your rig looks amazing. How much is the port keys EVF and what are your thoughts on it
Peter! Fx9 is everything I want and need. Good stuff. I used it once and I did use my port-keys with it. Its a more immersive experience than the fx9 monitor with the thing on because the image is bigger and sharper. However the color is not good in it. On the fx9 I just flipped the og monitor in front of the handle and watch exposure and color on that between takes. That was a nice setup. When I shoot with the F3 I do the same but with my Ninja V. Portkeys is about 1400$. I wish it was better. It should have come with a heatsink on the chip and a on/off function for the cooling fan. Peaking is not reliable is another problem. But options are limited in this price range. Better to have an imperfect tool than none at all i guess!
@ ahhh i see....okay. I guess i'll just keep using the original monitor with viewfinder cup. I mean I use a Ninja V also with it so that helps
@@pjsagnia Thats is a good setup. keep it!
Old pro cameras still do a great job 😎
They sure do! Watched your fs7 breakdown a while ago. Good stuff.
hello Josef! I bought same F3 + bm 5 recorder. but i have not upgrade. So i can choose s-log only in pic profile. And it seems like i have a issues with transforming it to rec709 correct. but its still 422 10 bit. Is upgraded S-log have much more information and quality or same? And what is ur way to grade it. thank SO MUCH!!! i cant found solution long time!
It should be fine. Use the right sdi with 10-bit. port A or B on top, se meny in camera for right output. Then know if footage from BM shoots video or full range. In Clip attributes in resolve you can choose full if that is the case. Then you can use arri as color and slog as gamma in the color corrector if you use resolve. Good luck!
What was that, “treality technica housing”? Please correct me, keen to get a different top handle.
You can see more here
ua-cam.com/video/QzJXLR0l5XE/v-deo.html
It was a third-party rehousing option for the f3 back in the days.
Can you output pro res raw on the ninja v with this camera? TIA
No Raw from this camera. Max output is 10bit-444 with RGB Update.
working on assembling my f3 rig right now, do you have any recommendations for a good bag/case that it fits in? this thing is huge!
I bought myself a Tenba Cineluxe 24 bag. It comes in different versions. I picked the "backpack" version. easier to carry on the back and keeps my hands free for other stuff. Its great!
@ Got it, thank you! Appreciate your F3 content thus far, it's been really helpful as a new user.
Nice video. I’m still wondering is it worth it in 2022 🤔 and I’m afraid this huge size and weight 😬 but colors and dynamic range looks great 👍
I would say: If you already have lenses adaptable for this camera. And own an external recorder and xlr mic. And want a bigger production camera for that kind of work for a good price then go for it. There are so many good cameras out there today so if you want something smaller there are lots of better options than this one.
@ I've found one with s-log upgrade (444) 2 nikon lenses (sigma 18-35) and BM assist 5 for 2300 Euro and I don't know what to do :)
@@swisslakestudio7466 good deal 😄👍
What lenses are using for the camera? Just EF lenses? The FZ has a small flange distance but there are so few adapters out there and the ones that are available are so expensive.
I have a Nikon mount on it. My Samyangs have a Nikon mount and I use Nikon to Ef adapter on them for other cameras. Now I also have Tokina 16-28mm PL Lens for it.
@ Ah ok. I bought an F3 yesterday and it just arrived this morning. It came with a Fotodiox EF adaptor so I think I can get a Nikon-EF and start using Nikons too. I have an FD set which I can use too but it needs the glass element which glares a lot. So you also have a PL mount adapter for the Tokina? Thanks for the reply Josef!
@@robertpaterson5477 Nice thats a good start. The Tokina is a PL lens so it fits right on the sony pl mount that goes with the F3 :)
@ I see. Mine didn't come with the PL mount. What about the RGB01 444 upgrade? I'm getting an Odyssey 7Q recorder delivered tomorrow and I think my camera has the upgrade but I can't see it in the menu. Do I have to have the SDI connected to enable it?
@@robertpaterson5477 Weird that you didnt get the pl mount. in my other video here you can see where you enable it ua-cam.com/video/TjT1mhV-lsI/v-deo.html
Whats lenses?
What camera bag is that? Thanks
Its a TENBA CINELUXE 24
5:50 🤣🤣🤣
You can use glasses for watching closely to the monitor ;)
Haha my eyes are good 😉
@ 😉
love this camera so much!!!
What bag is it?
Looks like a tenba bag I have the same one
@@pjsagnia Gracias :)
9:46 nice bag.. 😮 🤤🤤
One would have thought that, after over four decades television equipment manufacturing, Sony would have figured out how to design and build a television camera that didn't require someone to go to all that work to make it production functional.
This is so true. I think the design got even worse after this. Until about 2014 when the fs7 came out. Sonys line-up now is almost perfect. Except Fx6 has the xlr on the top handle and no 3.5 jack. don't know what they where thinking.
This really does seem like the a7s’s grand father.
Indeed it is!
you know you can record 4k with a external capture device right
No it can’t. This camera is from the era where only RED had a Camera that could record or send above 2k images. 🤷♂️
@ my apologies, crazy mistake, but I was thinking about FS700
@@future6537 thats correct! Its actually a pretty good camera when doing that!