SeriousFox Yeah, apparently Arkham Knight was ported by the same people that did Origins (Iron Galaxy Studios). Not Rocksteady. Explains a lot. I'm also hearing a theory that it's the Denuvo DRM they added to Arkham Knight, that's causing the performance problems. But who knows if it's that simple.
SeriousFox If they are accepting money months ahead from PC users. It shouldnt be a port. If they are planning to launch a game on PC at any point. It should not be a port. Would you buy a pick up truck if it was initially designed as a car, then they threw a cargo bed in it? No, not fricken likely. This is exactly why no one should ever pay for a pre order.
LDSO Strange, since Origins was one of the best optimized games I have ever played, it even ran on budget PCs with Core 2 Duo processors at 45-60 fps, so I dont get why they screwed up this game so much. Also, the requirements are a little bit to high and the game does not even look that special when it comes to the graphics.
This is by far the best indie game currently on Steam. The choppiness really makes the gameplay feel unique and experimental, and manually editing config files gives it a nice retro feel that I haven't experienced since the days of Windows 95.
It's also funny how so many Nvidia graphics cards are getting bundled with Arkham Knight bragging about how the GPU will get you ready to play the game. Pretty ironic.
Haha. I play on pc but I always find it funny that a lot of pc gamers talk shit on consoles but it seems like more often than not the pc version is just a "shifty port". So not exactly the master race huh?
Yet, Iron Galaxy could not learn from this PC port of Arkham Knight and managed to sabotage the PC port of The Last of Us Part I. Iron Galaxy will need to have better Quality Assurance to avoid PC ports like this ever again.
jhlbjaaa Yeah it's good that we can do that now. But I would say that reading and watching reviews and making an informed decision about purchasing a product in the first place is a better friend.
This is all too common now, it in fact now the norm. How did it become the norm? how is it there are still people (not all will be people involved with the publisher) who will be apologists? The culture of "oh it will just be fixed with a patch soon" is unacceptable. As Sty pointed out Steam refunds are now a thing and hopefully people are going to take advantage of it when games are released in this state. Hopefully if people keep voting with their wallets publishers will start to think again. The fixed FPS makes zero sense, even worse it is downright Joker level of crazy. Never ever pre order games, this is what happens when you pre order, you get disappointed.
Ewan Gilligan Yep. Although, I see it more like spreading it on to the people who may or may not see it, rather than stealing it. Sounds less crude, y'know ;p
LMAO, y'all a bunch of *fools* here - it's not Rocksteady's doing - THEY were optimizing the game for the Playstation 4 platform, not the PC (it looks beautiful, transitions are fluent, and the Batmobile handles smoothly, regardless of what this yyoutuber's experiencing, *playing on the keyboard LOL* ). That part was "handled" by someone else, presumably a 3rd party, so I suggest you wait for patches of the PC version, if you're on PC. Without Rocksteady, you wouldn't have ANY of these fantastic game experiences - you wouldn't have *$H!T*! So, I'd think twice before carelessly throwing the word "shitty" in their direction, without *any* sort of r e s e a r c h .
The adaptive game quality is attempting to make your game run at 30fps because that is what it is designed to run at. (Lower cap it still gets 30 raise it, and it goes all over the place because it never was meant to worry about a two high frame rate.) This is a fix I can do in a month or two, because i can re write the equation for the adaptive quality, but it has to be done for each and every individual graphics card, using two will always cause problems in FPS going as low as possible because the equation = 0. Unfortunately just about everything in the INI runs off of the equation and not the vise versa which put a speed in development (mostly for console gamers who get a better optimized system due to the fixed system) so a simple disable of the adaptive frame rate is impossible and systems with two graphics cards will not work like they do for every other game. This problem is the same problem unity had but unity allowed the disable of adaptive if and only if you had 2 GPU. This games fix requires a remake of the INI which should take a week with a development team (per GPU that is why GeForce is making the fix) Bottom line. Games made for PC gamers work fine on PC but are available for consoles and the pc gets worse graphics. Games made for consoles are potato like optimized when it comes to PC which must be optimized for various systems and equations can't be made for 60 to 100 fps. I'm working on a fix for my according specs but it has 2 graphic cards and will be a change to the adaptive quality equation so I don't think I can help any of you guys out with it. Sorry. I use to do this with Bethesda, helped make the system for their adaptive quality and it simply stated above 30 fps bellow 200. I miss the days when you could use that on the Xbox 360 and it would work, now with the Xbox 1 and Ps4 having specific needs we will get lots of games like this and unity, do not buy any multi console per order game. Until we get another generation of consoles. Don't pre order any game no matter how hyped you are or how good it is. Even fallout 4 could fall victim to this. You have been warned.
Pre-order Culture has to die, and without the refunds in place this could of been the straw that broke the camel's back. However I'm glad everyone who was burnt by this game can get a refund via steam. Finally developers cant just lump us with a buggy broken PC port and expect us to just 'deal with it'.
Eddie Zuhric yeah, for me too, my PC is nothing special and it ran the game pretty smoothly, I dont know what the fuck is wrong with this game... What a shame.
Eddie Zuhric I agree. Even though origins had game breaking glitches on release it ran well on my previous Athlon II X3 machine. Arkham Knight on the other hand, I don't have the faith that it will run well on my core i5. Rocksteady really disappointed me this time.
***** well because it did run well on almost every pc because it had almost no bugs and glitches it was a near perfect game...........the reason u guys hear arkham origins is shit because of its story
They sure as fuck didn't spend any money on Xbox development. It looks HORRENDOUS on the One X. Even on PC it looks horrible maxed out....never had this problem before. In fact I thought it was a corrupted download(it isn't lol).
Damn, that sucks. I like a bit of Batman. Thankfully I'm not enough of a cabbage to pre-order games, or really ever buy games on launch. I hate it when people say 'stop whinging and wait for them to fix it'. Meanwhile they've had potentially millions of dollars pumped into their accounts from sales and pre-orders. So they've made profit and are making interest on people's money that was paid for a product that doesn't even work to standard and will be fixed at their leisure - they've already made the sale, why do they care? Oh, that's right - Steam refunds baby! Only problem with this is it might mean more games don't come to PC. If the risk of games being dodgy on release and refund rates are high, then companies will be less willing to even bother to release it on the PC, and just rake in the fat console dollar instead.
bro the NO PATCH version is where you can't even glide, that glitch is still in the patch version but it's not that usual and it can't be fixed by landing on the ground and landing again, which wasn't an option in NO-PATCH version edit: not even mentioning that the cape was all around the place glitching out (no-patch)
Okay I was really worried but this guy is kind of overreacting. Sure, we've had a couple texture glitches here and there before, but it doesn't break the entire game, does it? Sure it may break the immersion a little but you guys can't expect it to be 100% perfect. This video showed the game running totally fine except the floating Batmobile and the militia guy. And the FPS lock disable seems to fix a lot. Should I be worried about anything else?
Dat Struggle What is your ram? I have two friends that both own a 970 getting acceptable framerate, but they have 16GB and 32GB respectively. After reading in the steam forums it sounds like people with 8GB of ram and below are having issues due to a memory leak. Just curious.
Batman I also got a 970 and there are been 5-6 times already within the first 2 hours of the game where the game completely freezes for a couple seconds (besides the drops in fps and all), taking you completely out of the experience. It has happened in combat, batmobile and cinematics. The game is playable for the most part, and I'm enjoying it, but this is highly frustrating and disappointing
marcusuke I already refunded my game, out of all the people i expected to release a unfinished game it would be rocksteady they built a great trust between their consumers and now we just got fucked, damn i mean this was the first time i ever pre-ordered a game and probably going to be my last.
For me it crashes on 'new game' after one second on minimum settings, and I could run the previous Arkham games on maximum. Steam Refunds came at just the right time (or wrong time if you're Rocksteady/Warner). Didn't know about the marketing director guy, lol. Not exactly smart of him to call everyone babies when the refund system exists now.
I've been playing on PC for at least four hours, and have had zero of these issues. Must be something on your end. I used a controller and the Batmobile handles perfectly
I honestly don't see much of a problem other than the floating Batmobile. 30 fps looks fine to me and the spinning guy was a pretty entertaining glitch. As for poor Batmobile control, I'm pretty sure that's just gameplay and not a problem with the port. Overall, I feel like everyone is over exaggerating when they talk about how bad this port is.
***** 30 fps is acceptable to me since it's the average framerate for pretty much every game I own. Hell, my one of my copies of Arkham City is 30 fps and it looks just fine.
all these problems and thats without even mentioning all of the missing grphical effects compared to the console versions... or the fact they changed their system requirements by increasiing them hours before release without telling anybody
I'm playing with i7-4790k and GTX970 and get horrible FPS drops and stuttering (mostly when driving the Batmobile, but not only then). All this on NORMAL settings as well. *Shocking!*
My fellow neighbour you are absolutely right. My girlfriend pre-ordered this one for me. As a surprise. But she knows Rocksteady is a good developer because normally she doesn't pre-order neither do I. But when she played this first time today she called me up on work and told me the game runs shite ( she knows pc's custumisation too). She knew my it wasn't my desktop because because I just upgraded it. Too run this game above recommended. But still this is up untill know the biggest cat in the bag this year mate.
Your pc isn't just good, coming up with a pc port excuse isn't a valid excuse. My ps4 is only $400 and I am playing this game really good. Your pc is probably a $1000 and barely hitting 30 fps, pc gaming is just sad.
tbh Im enjoying this game on my own PC - not had any of the mentioned problems other than I can see its fixed to 30fps, which I really cant see while playing the game for the most part... had no texture issues , no glitching or such either. the game itself Im loving, the story is engaging and I love all the little offshoot missions, the sandbox nature, the batmobile (while taking a bit of getting used to and indeed - its some ridiculous physics how it can drive through ANYTHING without damage! ... but its still fun) what worries me personally is not knowing when they are patching this game to its full potential... and if indeed I should bother to carry on playing it ? or wait till its patched. I dont want to finish the game then them release a big patch to fix all the performance / graphics problems and the game be infinitely better ... its a shame they chose to cut corners and give pc gaming a back seat to concentrate on their money making console shat.
the community manager has said that they are working hard to get a patch out as soon as possible. I don't want to refund because i just really want to get past the bugs because the people who aren't having issues say its really good.
I hope that Rocksteady fix this fast. I got the discs through the post this morning. Not only do I have to wait 8hrs for Steam to update it etc. I've also went and bought a new GPU for the thing. Can anyone tell me, do I have to return the discs back to Amazon?. Or will a later update for the game fix this?.
My mistake is that I pre-ordered this game along with some other games during Summer Sale and Steam can only refund my whole purchase. Which I fucking can't because I've played some of them for longer than 14 hours. Fuck my life. To the Steam Support!
Unit Lost - Great British Gaming Thank you so much for this video Sir. I was looking forward to this game and was actually just about to buy it. Thank god I stumbled upon your video first. It's not every day you get quality advice that saves you money. You Sir, just got yourself another subscriber. Cheers! :D
I have seen people whine that people on the pc don't buy games at full price at launch. One way to change this could be to try to release games that are not totally broken on day one. But hey i might actually start buying games at launch now. Because with the refund system i do not have to worry about getting stuck with a completely unplayable game anymore.
To me it sounds like pointless whining. 30 fps looks smooth from your video. I've not bought this game yet because of all these abysmal reviews about fps but it looks so smooth. What am I missing? It looks like a good game and sounds like nerds just wanna gripe just to gripe
What I'm trying to figure out is why this gets a 1.6 on metacritic and considered "unplayable" and "broken" if it looks completely smooth. I didn't even know that the human eye could even distinguish movement at 30 frames per second. That's like calling lightning laggy because it moves about the same speed. If it was laggy and choppy I could understand but I've compared this gameplay with gameplay from the Xbox one and PS4 and can't tell a difference. I want to get this on steam but shied away because of the awful PC reviews but I can't really see what anyone is griping about... I think I'm just gonna get it and see how I feel and if it's "unplayable" by my standards then I'll return.
It sounds like being mad at a phone for having retina display when it should have 4k display. A 4k display has higher resolution, but when you're looking for pixels for either one, you won't find a single one at any point. Once you break things down to a certain level, differences become impossible to spot. And if you can spot that difference, it's time to step away from the computer and live life a little bit...
I can understand a few bugs on the first 1-2 weeks, i guess they even do it on purpose to try and cope with pirating (even if patches become available for pirate versions too) but this is a tragedy
Aside from the bugs I really don't see what the problem is. The differences between 30 and 60 fps is so minor i can barely tell the difference and i don't see the motion blur issue.
Andulin Ardenson When you're actually sitting in front of a big monitor playing the game, the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps can be gargantuan. Its one of the main reasons why I prefer to game on PC rather than consoles, playing at 30 fps almost hurts my eyes now. Thankfully, I just picked up a PS4 and will probably be buying Arkham Knight to play on it until they fix the PC version.
So I switched turned the fps cap to 60 and made any motion blur false, and it now won't load the game. hmm. Well at least I didn't waste my money on it as I got it with my graphics card
TBH I haven't seen a SINGLE one of these issues. I think the Batmobile handles fine, considering it's an extremely large and well armored tank more than it is a luxury super car. I also get a solid 60 FPS with only one option turned down farther than the rest of the graphics options. People are just complaining to complain. Also, forgot to mention the 30 FPS cap takes 30 seconds to fix.
The benchmark in the game its a joke.... It always tells that im getting 60 fps but as soon as I start playing it locks at 30. Do they think us that dumb we would not notice???
I feel like they put the 30FPS lock on the game because it can be "Steady" at 30FPS but unlocked its all over the place. IT seems like their goal is to keep people from seeing massive framerate changes. Sadly, those of us with massive titan's of gaming rigs want more than 30FPS.
Unit Lost - Great British Gaming Seriously, do people within gaming have Incredibly short memories? You say in this video, words along the lines of "it's a RockSteady Batman game. Look at Asylum and City, they were great PC ports"... Yeah, *months* after release they were great. On release they were f#cking awful buggy mess. Including game breaking bugs in City. Seriously, why do people (you're not alone here) have memories like goldfish? Or is it selective memory? Don't pre-order videogames full stop.
Good video mate. Blame goes to WB though, Rocksteady didn't do the PC version of the game. It was done by Iron Galaxy. This is the kind of shit you get when you offer the porting job to a company that does it for the cheapest. I truly hope there's so many refunds that the industry would start to change it ways.
Aww, I was quite excited for this game too. Also I'm willing to bet that the 30 FPS lock is to attempt to hide the terrible optimization and the FPS being all over the place. That and\or they're part of the whole '30FPS IS TEH CENIMATIKZ LAWLZ!!!!!11' group. Not sure which is worse though. Might check this out again in about a year I guess.
3301 negative reviews last time i looked. My Amazon copy not turned up yet and i pre ordered that july last year >.< maybe late delivery worked in my favour
Okay I just watched you play this game for 6 minutes and apart from the noticeable bug of the bat mobile floating, i don't actually see what your problem is. looks like it runs fine to me...
During the interview Angry Joe had at E3 it kind of became apparent when the dude he interviewed said 'please be nice to us' wholeheartedly knowing the game currently runs like shit. People should pirate the game for the Warner Brother guy saying we should simply 'accept a broken and buggy game at launch' because that's just what we get nowadays. Fuck that.
Iron Galaxy Ported the game to PC, it was outsourced. WB pulled the trigger and released it. Rocksteady made the game for PS4 and Xbox One and it's an absolute masterpiece. It's a shame Iron Galaxy have let everybody down and it's a shame WB allowed it.
I don't know whether it's true or not but I have heard that the PC Port of this game was done by a team of 12 or 13 people who had developed only mobile games till then and had zero or little idea about PC porting and game optimisation and that might be the reason why the game used to stutter so bad.
Rocksteady farmed out the PC port to a different developer...they didn't even do this one from what I am finding out. I'll wait until the Game of the Year edition is on sale for $4.99 and by then it will be gold!
At least you can play it. My 970 doesn't get more than 20 fps with 5 second+ lag spikes, which desyncs the audio and freezes (sometimes crashes) my entire PC. Lololololol.
iTiamo plays I also get these lag spikes. I can bear fps drops until they fix performance, but those freezes are unbearable. I decided to stop until a patch
iTiamo plays Same here, I have a 770 4GB and after varying amounts of time from about a few minutes or so it crashes my pc, blue screens me. I have tried to find out why, might be a mem leak or something not happy about it but when I can play it it just stutters endlessly
Osaze Mckinson Maybe because they paid for a POORLY OPTIMIZED game that is ported by the same 3rd party developer (Iron Galaxy Studios) who did the decent PC port behind Origins? The people who ordered the game for PC expected a FULLY OPTIMIZED game that is ported to PC by Rocksteady themselves. I'll take refunds any day over the "Wait for update" excuse.
Johnathan Mahones but then you just completely miss out on what could have been an awesome gaming experience, a true gamer should be patient. If it were the case where they realeased a patch and it was still complete dog shit then go head, but at least patch it first
I have some general graphical questions Why do people stress so much about 30Fps and desire absolute 60 So badly? I know it looks absolutely amazing and 'seamless' like bit still What is motion blur and why/how does it literally sicken people. I don't know because i don't get motion sick or vertigo. I just recently started PC gaming (well laptop, but gaming won't be the major thing i do on it) and would like to broaden my knowledge about it. And also the last console I played on was the Xbox 360. Please help
Thanks for the warning. I'll wait for a steam sale. Such a shame I loved the first two batman games. As for motion blur I cant stand it no matter the game or platform.
The PS4 has an ancient AMD APU and it runs and looks far better than the PC version. You can get a PS4 and this game for less than the cost of a GTX 980. Something is very wrong here.
It just looked like a normal game, if this wasnt for the title and what you said, i would have looked at the gameplay as just normal for a game, i dont see the issue, you say its running like shit but on the screen it looks fine ?
lol I find it really really amusing, but once I installed and played the game the only problem I had was framedrop while in the Batmobile, I haven't had any framedrop like he has, I went in the ini file and changed my settings, still not many issues like most people have. ive optimized it with the Nvidia experience the max setting it has. and runs well.
I see you are playing this on PC. I pre- ordered the game and I can't even get on the game without it crashing. (Got it on PC) There will be a patch though soon.
![[4K] Batman Arkham Knight PC Revisited: Can We Hit 4K60 On One Of PC's Worst Ports?](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/w3g4QQnIqco/mqdefault.jpg)
Apparently PC port was done by some 3rd party developers. No wonder PC port is shite.
SeriousFox I agree here with my twin
SeriousFox Yeah, apparently Arkham Knight was ported by the same people that did Origins (Iron Galaxy Studios). Not Rocksteady. Explains a lot. I'm also hearing a theory that it's the Denuvo DRM they added to Arkham Knight, that's causing the performance problems. But who knows if it's that simple.
SeriousFox If they are accepting money months ahead from PC users. It shouldnt be a port. If they are planning to launch a game on PC at any point. It should not be a port.
Would you buy a pick up truck if it was initially designed as a car, then they threw a cargo bed in it? No, not fricken likely.
This is exactly why no one should ever pay for a pre order.
LDSO Strange, since Origins was one of the best optimized games I have ever played, it even ran on budget PCs with Core 2 Duo processors at 45-60 fps, so I dont get why they screwed up this game so much. Also, the requirements are a little bit to high and the game does not even look that special when it comes to the graphics.
LDSO OH SHIT. Why the hell would they give the game to the same pigs who gave us that Enigma challenge glitch? Oh dear...
Batman: Arkham Refund
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This is by far the best indie game currently on Steam. The choppiness really makes the gameplay feel unique and experimental, and manually editing config files gives it a nice retro feel that I haven't experienced since the days of Windows 95.
It's also funny how so many Nvidia graphics cards are getting bundled with Arkham Knight bragging about how the GPU will get you ready to play the game. Pretty ironic.
JayDub The way its meant to be played on a 980 with 30fps and stutters out the ass
It is though. Have you not noticed that every game works game runs like shit.
I didn't know witcher 3 ran like shit
2911oscar It didn't.
***** exactly, saying "it is though. Have you not noticed that every game works game runs like shit." its a stupid lie
hope people are refunding this in droves, i'd love to see how the devs/WB reacts to nearly all people refunding it
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'You know a shopping trolley that you find in the canal?' ... You can tell Sty lives in the Midlands ;)
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Surprise surprise... The glorious PC master race has to resort to playing Half-Life 2 as a stable game. Again.
Haha. I play on pc but I always find it funny that a lot of pc gamers talk shit on consoles but it seems like more often than not the pc version is just a "shifty port". So not exactly the master race huh?
AuzzGames The glorious PC master race has thousands of great games unavailable to consoles to play, we don't need half arsed shitty AAA games.
Patryk Kleczkowski totally right dude
Last time I did play HL2 on my high end PC, the game was stuttering like shit. So, nope.. not even HL2 is running well.
Master Shit.
Hollywood Kojima And let me guess, that high end PC was bought for 3000 dollars from Alienware?
Yet, Iron Galaxy could not learn from this PC port of Arkham Knight and managed to sabotage the PC port of The Last of Us Part I.
Iron Galaxy will need to have better Quality Assurance to avoid PC ports like this ever again.
I also came here after the last of us disaster lol
i didnt follow up on the arkham knight bugs back in the day I heard it was bad on its first days but damn!
The question is .... WHY do people pre-order ? It´s not like copies are gonna run out or something in this age of Steam ...
They make more money by making exclusive DLC early in limited pre-orders, it's a clever scan to get a lot of money very fast.
+multiconsolegamer scam*
I smell a lot of Steam refunds inbound.
looks like steam refunds came in perfect time.
TheRealDeal Just in time and just as planned.
Steam refund is your friend
jhlbjaaa Yep, or just don't buy if you were planning on it. AAA only listens to money.
jhlbjaaa If you even buy it from steam lol or else you're fucked.
jhlbjaaa Yeah it's good that we can do that now. But I would say that reading and watching reviews and making an informed decision about purchasing a product in the first place is a better friend.
This is all too common now, it in fact now the norm. How did it become the norm? how is it there are still people (not all will be people involved with the publisher) who will be apologists? The culture of "oh it will just be fixed with a patch soon" is unacceptable. As Sty pointed out Steam refunds are now a thing and hopefully people are going to take advantage of it when games are released in this state. Hopefully if people keep voting with their wallets publishers will start to think again. The fixed FPS makes zero sense, even worse it is downright Joker level of crazy. Never ever pre order games, this is what happens when you pre order, you get disappointed.
What's wrong with 30fps? As long as it isn't stuttering I think it's OK.
It is, but 60fps is really the standard for PC games.
Sky Knight 30 fps is playable, but not good or something i will be happy with. specially with the mouse.
Johnny Deep i don't mind low fps anymore, 2 years ago i used to play at 17 fps
The lesson of the day: PC gamers are spoiled... Oh yes I did. Oh yes I did.
multiconsolegamer Having 60fps means you are spoiled!? HAHAHAHAH you fucking console kids never stop amusing me.
And this is why I always wait for complete editions!
Rocksteady? Rockstuttery more like.
Stole that joke off TB, didn't yah
Ewan Gilligan Yep. Although, I see it more like spreading it on to the people who may or may not see it, rather than stealing it. Sounds less crude, y'know ;p
Mr. Rawke
ROCKSHITTY MORE LIKE IT!!
LMAO, y'all a bunch of *fools* here - it's not Rocksteady's doing - THEY were optimizing the game for the Playstation 4 platform, not the PC (it looks beautiful, transitions are fluent, and the Batmobile handles smoothly, regardless of what this yyoutuber's experiencing, *playing on the keyboard LOL* ). That part was "handled" by someone else, presumably a 3rd party, so I suggest you wait for patches of the PC version, if you're on PC. Without Rocksteady, you wouldn't have ANY of these fantastic game experiences - you wouldn't have *$H!T*! So, I'd think twice before carelessly throwing the word "shitty" in their direction, without *any* sort of r e s e a r c h .
You do relize that the console version is fine , the bat mobile handles perfect and the game is perfect
The adaptive game quality is attempting to make your game run at 30fps because that is what it is designed to run at. (Lower cap it still gets 30 raise it, and it goes all over the place because it never was meant to worry about a two high frame rate.)
This is a fix I can do in a month or two, because i can re write the equation for the adaptive quality, but it has to be done for each and every individual graphics card, using two will always cause problems in FPS going as low as possible because the equation = 0. Unfortunately just about everything in the INI runs off of the equation and not the vise versa which put a speed in development (mostly for console gamers who get a better optimized system due to the fixed system) so a simple disable of the adaptive frame rate is impossible and systems with two graphics cards will not work like they do for every other game. This problem is the same problem unity had but unity allowed the disable of adaptive if and only if you had 2 GPU. This games fix requires a remake of the INI which should take a week with a development team (per GPU that is why GeForce is making the fix)
Bottom line. Games made for PC gamers work fine on PC but are available for consoles and the pc gets worse graphics. Games made for consoles are potato like optimized when it comes to PC which must be optimized for various systems and equations can't be made for 60 to 100 fps. I'm working on a fix for my according specs but it has 2 graphic cards and will be a change to the adaptive quality equation so I don't think I can help any of you guys out with it. Sorry. I use to do this with Bethesda, helped make the system for their adaptive quality and it simply stated above 30 fps bellow 200. I miss the days when you could use that on the Xbox 360 and it would work, now with the Xbox 1 and Ps4 having specific needs we will get lots of games like this and unity, do not buy any multi console per order game. Until we get another generation of consoles. Don't pre order any game no matter how hyped you are or how good it is. Even fallout 4 could fall victim to this. You have been warned.
Pre-order Culture has to die, and without the refunds in place this could of been the straw that broke the camel's back.
However I'm glad everyone who was burnt by this game can get a refund via steam. Finally developers cant just lump us with a buggy broken PC port and expect us to just 'deal with it'.
It's funny because origins actually ran fairly well on pc, at least for me that is.
Eddie Zuhric yeah, for me too, my PC is nothing special and it ran the game pretty smoothly, I dont know what the fuck is wrong with this game... What a shame.
Eddie Zuhric I agree. Even though origins had game breaking glitches on release it ran well on my previous Athlon II X3 machine. Arkham Knight on the other hand, I don't have the faith that it will run well on my core i5. Rocksteady really disappointed me this time.
***** well because it did run well on almost every pc because it had almost no bugs and glitches it was a near perfect game...........the reason u guys hear arkham origins is shit because of its story
they probably spent all of their time on the PS4 optimization, judging from the E3 marketing
They sure as fuck didn't spend any money on Xbox development. It looks HORRENDOUS on the One X. Even on PC it looks horrible maxed out....never had this problem before. In fact I thought it was a corrupted download(it isn't lol).
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Just noticed today that the Smoke and Paper effects are now disabled on the PC version. They must be working on these; maybe????
Damn, that sucks. I like a bit of Batman. Thankfully I'm not enough of a cabbage to pre-order games, or really ever buy games on launch. I hate it when people say 'stop whinging and wait for them to fix it'. Meanwhile they've had potentially millions of dollars pumped into their accounts from sales and pre-orders. So they've made profit and are making interest on people's money that was paid for a product that doesn't even work to standard and will be fixed at their leisure - they've already made the sale, why do they care? Oh, that's right - Steam refunds baby!
Only problem with this is it might mean more games don't come to PC. If the risk of games being dodgy on release and refund rates are high, then companies will be less willing to even bother to release it on the PC, and just rake in the fat console dollar instead.
bro the NO PATCH version is where you can't even glide, that glitch is still in the patch version but it's not that usual and it can't be fixed by landing on the ground and landing again, which wasn't an option in NO-PATCH version
edit: not even mentioning that the cape was all around the place glitching out (no-patch)
Okay I was really worried but this guy is kind of overreacting. Sure, we've had a couple texture glitches here and there before, but it doesn't break the entire game, does it? Sure it may break the immersion a little but you guys can't expect it to be 100% perfect. This video showed the game running totally fine except the floating Batmobile and the militia guy. And the FPS lock disable seems to fix a lot. Should I be worried about anything else?
Batman i have a gtx 970 and this game doesn't even go through 20fps for me
Dat Struggle What is your ram? I have two friends that both own a 970 getting acceptable framerate, but they have 16GB and 32GB respectively. After reading in the steam forums it sounds like people with 8GB of ram and below are having issues due to a memory leak. Just curious.
Seth Forbus nah i got 12 gb of ram
Batman I also got a 970 and there are been 5-6 times already within the first 2 hours of the game where the game completely freezes for a couple seconds (besides the drops in fps and all), taking you completely out of the experience. It has happened in combat, batmobile and cinematics. The game is playable for the most part, and I'm enjoying it, but this is highly frustrating and disappointing
marcusuke I already refunded my game, out of all the people i expected to release a unfinished game it would be rocksteady they built a great trust between their consumers and now we just got fucked, damn i mean this was the first time i ever pre-ordered a game and probably going to be my last.
For me it crashes on 'new game' after one second on minimum settings, and I could run the previous Arkham games on maximum. Steam Refunds came at just the right time (or wrong time if you're Rocksteady/Warner). Didn't know about the marketing director guy, lol. Not exactly smart of him to call everyone babies when the refund system exists now.
Funny how pc players is raging because of the bad optimization but when console hit low fps pc players be like "Pc MaSTeRAcE"
I've been playing on PC for at least four hours, and have had zero of these issues. Must be something on your end. I used a controller and the Batmobile handles perfectly
This is why I rather wait a month or two after game release or if I'm patience enough, wait for steam sale. I'm busy with work, so no problem waiting.
I honestly don't see much of a problem other than the floating Batmobile. 30 fps looks fine to me and the spinning guy was a pretty entertaining glitch. As for poor Batmobile control, I'm pretty sure that's just gameplay and not a problem with the port. Overall, I feel like everyone is over exaggerating when they talk about how bad this port is.
***** 30 fps is acceptable to me since it's the average framerate for pretty much every game I own. Hell, my one of my copies of Arkham City is 30 fps and it looks just fine.
PC gamers are spoiled.
+Jay Desai-Butler and you can't afford nothing.
also, why did you like your own comment?
all these problems and thats without even mentioning all of the missing grphical effects compared to the console versions... or the fact they changed their system requirements by increasiing them hours before release without telling anybody
I'm playing with i7-4790k and GTX970 and get horrible FPS drops and stuttering (mostly when driving the Batmobile, but not only then). All this on NORMAL settings as well. *Shocking!*
What in gods name was the delay for it was delayed from october last year.
Another crackin vid thx sty :) cheers for this, was thinking of buy batman on pc but I think i'll hang on to my money for the moment
My fellow neighbour you are absolutely right. My girlfriend pre-ordered this one for me. As a surprise.
But she knows Rocksteady is a good developer because normally she doesn't pre-order neither do I. But when she played this first time today she called me up on work and told me the game runs shite ( she knows pc's custumisation too).
She knew my it wasn't my desktop because because I just upgraded it. Too run this game above recommended. But still this is up untill know the biggest cat in the bag this year mate.
0:37 looks like you're purposely driving into walls and such to get a glitch.
wtf...
HARRYSTEELE117 Ok buddy.
Your pc isn't just good, coming up with a pc port excuse isn't a valid excuse. My ps4 is only $400 and I am playing this game really good. Your pc is probably a $1000 and barely hitting 30 fps, pc gaming is just sad.
***** I think you don't get the troll too.
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tbh Im enjoying this game on my own PC - not had any of the mentioned problems other than I can see its fixed to 30fps, which I really cant see while playing the game for the most part... had no texture issues , no glitching or such either.
the game itself Im loving, the story is engaging and I love all the little offshoot missions, the sandbox nature, the batmobile (while taking a bit of getting used to and indeed - its some ridiculous physics how it can drive through ANYTHING without damage! ... but its still fun)
what worries me personally is not knowing when they are patching this game to its full potential... and if indeed I should bother to carry on playing it ? or wait till its patched. I dont want to finish the game then them release a big patch to fix all the performance / graphics problems and the game be infinitely better ...
its a shame they chose to cut corners and give pc gaming a back seat to concentrate on their money making console shat.
the longer this drags out the more i want to just explode. if this is gaming in 2015 then its time for me to clock out and and say im done
the community manager has said that they are working hard to get a patch out as soon as possible. I don't want to refund because i just really want to get past the bugs because the people who aren't having issues say its really good.
Yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
I hope that Rocksteady fix this fast.
I got the discs through the post this morning.
Not only do I have to wait 8hrs for Steam to update it etc.
I've also went and bought a new GPU for the thing.
Can anyone tell me, do I have to return the discs back to Amazon?. Or will a later update for the game fix this?.
Why it say on steam that this is recommended by Unit Lost in the Curators?
My mistake is that I pre-ordered this game along with some other games during Summer Sale and Steam can only refund my whole purchase.
Which I fucking can't because I've played some of them for longer than 14 hours. Fuck my life.
To the Steam Support!
Unit Lost - Great British Gaming Thank you so much for this video Sir. I was looking forward to this game and was actually just about to buy it. Thank god I stumbled upon your video first. It's not every day you get quality advice that saves you money.
You Sir, just got yourself another subscriber. Cheers! :D
Good thing that the 90€ pre-order was the 4th top sold product on Steam yesterday :)
struggling with the 30 fps lock in NSUNS for years....>.
I have seen people whine that people on the pc don't buy games at full price at launch. One way to change this could be to try to release games that are not totally broken on day one.
But hey i might actually start buying games at launch now. Because with the refund system i do not have to worry about getting stuck with a completely unplayable game anymore.
To me it sounds like pointless whining. 30 fps looks smooth from your video. I've not bought this game yet because of all these abysmal reviews about fps but it looks so smooth. What am I missing? It looks like a good game and sounds like nerds just wanna gripe just to gripe
PC gamers are spoiled.
What I'm trying to figure out is why this gets a 1.6 on metacritic and considered "unplayable" and "broken" if it looks completely smooth. I didn't even know that the human eye could even distinguish movement at 30 frames per second. That's like calling lightning laggy because it moves about the same speed. If it was laggy and choppy I could understand but I've compared this gameplay with gameplay from the Xbox one and PS4 and can't tell a difference. I want to get this on steam but shied away because of the awful PC reviews but I can't really see what anyone is griping about... I think I'm just gonna get it and see how I feel and if it's "unplayable" by my standards then I'll return.
It sounds like being mad at a phone for having retina display when it should have 4k display. A 4k display has higher resolution, but when you're looking for pixels for either one, you won't find a single one at any point. Once you break things down to a certain level, differences become impossible to spot. And if you can spot that difference, it's time to step away from the computer and live life a little bit...
Thats crazy yo. Hopefully PC gets a patch soon man
I read on a forum that Iron Galaxy Studios was only given 8 weeks too make the pc port.... sooooo yeahhh
add this.. in a lot of places in the city batman has no shadow ! even if your standing in front of a direct light 0:22
It looks like they've released a messy pre-alpha version rather than the full release. This should never have been released in the current state.
I can understand a few bugs on the first 1-2 weeks, i guess they even do it on purpose to try and cope with pirating (even if patches become available for pirate versions too) but this is a tragedy
Aside from the bugs I really don't see what the problem is. The differences between 30 and 60 fps is so minor i can barely tell the difference and i don't see the motion blur issue.
Andulin Ardenson When you're actually sitting in front of a big monitor playing the game, the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps can be gargantuan. Its one of the main reasons why I prefer to game on PC rather than consoles, playing at 30 fps almost hurts my eyes now.
Thankfully, I just picked up a PS4 and will probably be buying Arkham Knight to play on it until they fix the PC version.
Thnx for the heads up on this game. Sad because it was on my "buy" list. Learned after rome 2 to not EVER preorder any games.
I don't know where is Nightwing in the Penguin mission.
dude i have a problem its graphical glitches when i play its to annoying and please help me
So I switched turned the fps cap to 60 and made any motion blur false, and it now won't load the game. hmm. Well at least I didn't waste my money on it as I got it with my graphics card
TBH I haven't seen a SINGLE one of these issues. I think the Batmobile handles fine, considering it's an extremely large and well armored tank more than it is a luxury super car. I also get a solid 60 FPS with only one option turned down farther than the rest of the graphics options. People are just complaining to complain. Also, forgot to mention the 30 FPS cap takes 30 seconds to fix.
What is the name of your PC I need it in my life
This reviewer did not play Big Rigs O_O A Winner, is he !
I can't tell the differance between 30 and 60 fps.
The benchmark in the game its a joke.... It always tells that im getting 60 fps but as soon as I start playing it locks at 30. Do they think us that dumb we would not notice???
I feel like they put the 30FPS lock on the game because it can be "Steady" at 30FPS but unlocked its all over the place. IT seems like their goal is to keep people from seeing massive framerate changes. Sadly, those of us with massive titan's of gaming rigs want more than 30FPS.
What a shame, good video though. AA and AC were great games. Can't wait for TB to get the message out about this wreck even more so if he looks at it.
There is a link to a tutorial to unlock FPS and disable motion blur but I can't seem to find it...
I show how that's done I the video.
Use Control+F to find them easier.
Unit Lost - Great British Gaming Seriously, do people within gaming have Incredibly short memories? You say in this video, words along the lines of "it's a RockSteady Batman game. Look at Asylum and City, they were great PC ports"...
Yeah, *months* after release they were great. On release they were f#cking awful buggy mess. Including game breaking bugs in City.
Seriously, why do people (you're not alone here) have memories like goldfish? Or is it selective memory?
Don't pre-order videogames full stop.
I have 16-core 7,8 ghz, 128 gb ram, triple gtx titan and the game runs just fine on medium, I don't get it, where you see the problem.
I don't get it, there's no lag in this video. And the version is PC. How come?
Good video mate. Blame goes to WB though, Rocksteady didn't do the PC version of the game. It was done by Iron Galaxy. This is the kind of shit you get when you offer the porting job to a company that does it for the cheapest. I truly hope there's so many refunds that the industry would start to change it ways.
Aww, I was quite excited for this game too. Also I'm willing to bet that the 30 FPS lock is to attempt to hide the terrible optimization and the FPS being all over the place. That and\or they're part of the whole '30FPS IS TEH CENIMATIKZ LAWLZ!!!!!11' group.
Not sure which is worse though. Might check this out again in about a year I guess.
Partycommissar Also shame on you for pre-ordering :p
Anyone else notice he started driving batmobile just find when following the cops
3301 negative reviews last time i looked. My Amazon copy not turned up yet and i pre ordered that july last year >.< maybe late delivery worked in my favour
Okay I just watched you play this game for 6 minutes and apart from the noticeable bug of the bat mobile floating, i don't actually see what your problem is. looks like it runs fine to me...
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I never actually experienced any of these issues except for the 30FPS lock and motion blur both of which I put up with and still had a great time.
its happening agaaaaain !
During the interview Angry Joe had at E3 it kind of became apparent when the dude he interviewed said 'please be nice to us' wholeheartedly knowing the game currently runs like shit.
People should pirate the game for the Warner Brother guy saying we should simply 'accept a broken and buggy game at launch' because that's just what we get nowadays. Fuck that.
Iron Galaxy Ported the game to PC, it was outsourced. WB pulled the trigger and released it. Rocksteady made the game for PS4 and Xbox One and it's an absolute masterpiece. It's a shame Iron Galaxy have let everybody down and it's a shame WB allowed it.
R.I.P my pc user :(
REMEMBER, NO PREORDERS!
Denuvo antihack 30 fps, is consuming like 5-10% of CPU power(its a fact, confimerd by devs from LoTF), that is huge!!!
4:46 - Arkham Origins is an awesome game, regardless of it not being made by Rocksteady.
I don't know whether it's true or not but I have heard that the PC Port of this game was done by a team of 12 or 13 people who had developed only mobile games till then and had zero or little idea about PC porting and game optimisation and that might be the reason why the game used to stutter so bad.
This sure makes it sound true
Rocksteady farmed out the PC port to a different developer...they didn't even do this one from what I am finding out. I'll wait until the Game of the Year edition is on sale for $4.99 and by then it will be gold!
Does it have Adaptive V-sync? If it does, that MAY help, not sure though as I haven't gotten it yet
At least you can play it. My 970 doesn't get more than 20 fps with 5 second+ lag spikes, which desyncs the audio and freezes (sometimes crashes) my entire PC. Lololololol.
iTiamo plays I also get these lag spikes. I can bear fps drops until they fix performance, but those freezes are unbearable. I decided to stop until a patch
iTiamo plays Same here, I have a 770 4GB and after varying amounts of time from about a few minutes or so it crashes my pc, blue screens me. I have tried to find out why, might be a mem leak or something not happy about it but when I can play it it just stutters endlessly
Cryogenic Vortex it's still broken for some, but it's playable though.
This is hilarious but true as well, I get that you guys are angry but instead of refunding why not just wait for a couple updates then enjoy it?
Osaze Mckinson Maybe because they paid for a POORLY OPTIMIZED game that is ported by the same 3rd party developer (Iron Galaxy Studios) who did the decent PC port behind Origins? The people who ordered the game for PC expected a FULLY OPTIMIZED game that is ported to PC by Rocksteady themselves.
I'll take refunds any day over the "Wait for update" excuse.
Johnathan Mahones but then you just completely miss out on what could have been an awesome gaming experience, a true gamer should be patient. If it were the case where they realeased a patch and it was still complete dog shit then go head, but at least patch it first
I have some general graphical questions
Why do people stress so much about 30Fps and desire absolute 60 So badly? I know it looks absolutely amazing and 'seamless' like bit still
What is motion blur and why/how does it literally sicken people. I don't know because i don't get motion sick or vertigo.
I just recently started PC gaming (well laptop, but gaming won't be the major thing i do on it) and would like to broaden my knowledge about it. And also the last console I played on was the Xbox 360. Please help
Thanks for the warning. I'll wait for a steam sale. Such a shame I loved the first two batman games. As for motion blur I cant stand it no matter the game or platform.
The PS4 has an ancient AMD APU and it runs and looks far better than the PC version.
You can get a PS4 and this game for less than the cost of a GTX 980. Something is very wrong here.
It just looked like a normal game, if this wasnt for the title and what you said, i would have looked at the gameplay as just normal for a game, i dont see the issue, you say its running like shit but on the screen it looks fine ?
This is really funny because I've had no problems other than a few lag spikes and I have a Nvidia Geforce GTX 580
0:38 "it is the worst vehicle i have droven"? You mean "driven"
TheSmashingTesticles he said i have drove but yeah
I'm not surprised with the damage control WB tries to do. Its fucking pathetic
lol I find it really really amusing, but once I installed and played the game the only problem I had was framedrop while in the Batmobile, I haven't had any framedrop like he has, I went in the ini file and changed my settings, still not many issues like most people have. ive optimized it with the Nvidia experience the max setting it has. and runs well.
I agree with you man!!! It has to be fixed!! But I ain't gonna refund this game!! I'll wait
Saw the clip on the Arbitrary Awards, had to look it up.
Bringing it up to 60 keeps crashing the game after a bit…
I see you are playing this on PC. I pre- ordered the game and I can't even get on the game without it crashing. (Got it on PC) There will be a patch though soon.