What an amazing video! I feel like I should be arrested for theft because this level of teaching should cost money! I’ve never even considered this topic before but it’s absolutely fascinating
The regales would make a really interesting Netflix mini-series-kind of like Cadfael meets Rome. My favorite law enforcement in Rome is the Frumentarii- secret police/spies affiliated with the postal service. In my fan fiction, this is the Apostle Paul's occupation.
This was a really interesting overview of the history of law enforcement - I had no idea about much of it! You covered things I didn't even know existed to need to be covered, like the kin-as-cops things, or the change from early Rome militia to watchmen cop-firefighters! Thank you for what you do, Dr. Miano. You work very hard to bring knowledge to us, for which I'm thankful. ❤❤ Oh, and I've been checking out the channel of Kaleigh, the subject of your first livestream interview, and I'm really glad you had her on - her stuff looks really good!
Quality channel!!!!!!!!! Easily my favourite ancient history channel. I watch others but this one has taught me how to spot when their just making stuff up.
Not the ancient world, but in Medieval Spain there was a police-like organisation called "Santa Hermandad" (Holy Brotherhood) whose members all wore leather armour with green sleeves. That sparkled a saying in Spain: "A buenas horas, mangas verdes" (at good hours, green sleeves), implying that they often arrived late to the scene of the crimes.
Hi, I just came to this channel from your conversation with Destiny. I wanted to say I really appreciate this kind of history and look forward to watching some of your older videos!
Do you know where 'policeman' comes from, sir? ... 'Polis' used to mean 'city', said Carrot. That's what policeman means: 'a man for the city'. Not many people knew that. The word 'polite' comes from 'polis', too. It used to mean the proper behaviour from someone living in a city. “Have you ever wondered where the word ‘politician’ comes from?” said the Patrician. Sir Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms
Not only in Rome, but almost everywhere. State apparatus rarely concerned themselves with interpersonal crimes until pretty recently. Order was kept by the threat of clan retaliation. When states did first reach into that sphere of keeping order, it was usually by placing fines that the offender or their family had to pay to the victim's family
Great overview! I can name drop Dr. Fuhrman who oversaw my grad work. His book is "Policing the Roman Empire" published by Oxford Press and is an indepth look at how Rome policed its empire.
Yes, in Italy the fire fighers are still called "vigili del fuoco". And as modern Italy has a "Guardia di Finanza", ancient Rome had the Quaestor who looked, among other duties, for tax evaders.
In will Burroughs somewhere it says "a correctly functioning police state wouldn't require a police force" and no, don't know where he lifted that from ...
Thank you. Although it is not exactly the same thing, that topic sort of brought me back to the times when I studied history of law (technically a law degree here in France, not sure what it is elsewhere). This is a very interesting field, although it might not seem sexy from afar. I'd be interested in videos on such topics.
Thanks for the video. May I ask, were the Vigiles active on the local level accross the Roman empire as well? Or were they confined to the capital only? Thanks.
Most cities had probably something similar. In the countryside peace was kept by the military or in some places a mounted police called diogmitai (chasers) who fought bandits and the like.
Interesting! Probably there were ancient Egyptian donut shops that the Medjay would hang out in, waiting for a call to come over the ancient Medjay police radio! LOL JK. This was all super fascinating.
you do an amazing job with these videos! I cannot believe the only have 66 thousand subscribers. it just goes to show that the average person would rather hear about Ancient Aliens and conspiracy theories then actual history facts
Punished for throwing dirt onto to streets? Suppose one can infer the streets were paved (makes no sense to ban throwing dirt onto dirt) or is "dirt" a polite way of saying "night soil?"
Dr. M, .you can't just drop a line about Ancient Egyptian Police using monkeys and leave us at that! Even a short video about that would probably gain a good amount of views, heh.
DoctorFatman Monkeys acting for the Police. If only they had goten hold of some gorillas! Great role models! Scanning the comments above, I'd say that the history of modern police forces is a big historical topic in the developmennt of modern societies in all their complex social and industrial structures, In Britain Sir Robert Peel's ministry under Victoria is generally seen as the inception of a professional nation wide - though locally managed police forces. Police were warranted as Crown Officers taking over from parish watch men and Beadles (remember Oliver Twist and the beadle around 1834)These were dubbed Peelers or Bow Street Runners after a famous Covent Garden street in London. I guess there were similar developments across Europe and in the USA. You know the strangely shaped British Police helmets . Well they are simply a version of the military helmet in the mid Victorian period. Until recently Police were "armed" only with truncheons. In UK fire arms in the hands of Police are becoming much more common although still not standard (hooray!). In Britain there was an age old resistance to anything like an Army being used to police the population. No Gendarmes here! Resistance to large armies around the place is embedded in old traditions about " British Liberty.". The experience at "Peterloo" (1819) was singular and deplored!
The main (and probably only) evidence is from a Dynasty 5 mastabah at Saqqarah belonging to a man named Tepemankh (alt. Djadjaemankh). It depicts a “policeman” with two baboons on leads, one of whom is grabbing the leg of a boy trying to steal food at a market. These are not Medjey, however (far, far too early), and can be interpreted as guards. Just do an image search for Tepemankh and baboon and you’ll find photos of the scene (now in Cairo)
Hey David M, thanks for the videos. Since there seem to be more stories, uninformed UA-camrs out there and outright lies. I was delighted to find your site. Since I’m new to channel i have many more to view… Just one question, what is the deal with the country or land mass held by the lost kingdom of Tattaia
Tartaria/Tartary is just a name that has been used for Central Asia. Today there is a conspiracy theory about a lost kingdom of Tartaria, but it is based on pseudoscience.
I’ve had this same issue! I do know that apart from adding those 2000 years, you have to subtract instead of adding years to whichever date you’re trying to get 😠 confusing ain’t it?
I saw a deal on some cable channel where there were these guys in Rome & other large cities that were roving patrols of fire militia/pseudo 🔥 Guardian Angels. They wore helms similar to current day fire fighters'. (Note: the above was put down before you got to Rome.)
Aside from Paul's conversion story, are there any accounts of religious figures deputizing Roman provinciale citizens in first century that you know of?
@@WorldofAntiquity Isn't that Paul's claim? That he was tasked with arresting followers of Christianity in Damascus by the high priest in Jerusalem? It doesn't make sense to me, especially with Rome's disdain for Jews at the time. I was just curious if you had ever read of such a practice outside of the bible.
Critical Mass: As I understood the situation in Roman Judea, the Romans practised "indirect rule". So the Jewish Authorities retained their authority and Law making powers under the Herodian monarchy by "permisson" of the Roman Governor - hence the Herod / Pilate relationship as described in the Gospels & Acts. You recall the satirical label "King of the Jews" attached to the rebel Jesus's cross. Saul, later to be renamed Paul, received his mandate & warrant from the Temple Priesthood on behalf of the Sanhedron tasked by the Herodian Monarchy to enforce the Torah (Jewish Law) over rebellious or heretical Jews , including Jews much later to be called "Christians". This period is early in Christian history - maybe around ?40AD (a Biblical scholar is needed here).. Saul who was alter to be renamed Paul was a Hellenised Jew born in Tarsus in Anatolia. He was from a city conferring Roman Citizenship. In the Empire, Jews at this time were not excluded from Roman Citizenship. So Paul would have had certain important privileges and legal protections conferred on any Roman Citizen (a much prized status) whilst also at the same time acting as a functionary officer of the Jerusalem Temple Authorities. Paul was a highly educated Pharisee professionally a person theologically qualified to teach the Hebrew Scriptures whilst Jesus was outside this official system - seen as a Galilean so provincial rustic outsider bearing an heretical prophetic message. Another example of a very eminent and famous Jewish Roman citizen in the First Century was the historian Josephus, who eventually achieved Imperial patronage. I am sure there are knowledgeable followers of this site who can expand on this and correct or amend if it is in error about these complex relationships.
@@robertbrennan2268 did the local Jewish authorities really maintain the same governing permissions after Judea was made a Roman province in 6 CE? The Babylonian Talmud mentions a general legal independence until about 28 CE, but was deputizing Roman citizens to hunt down other Roman citizens recorded anywhere else?
How likely would it be for someone to survive a disruption as described in the story of Jesus and the money-changers? Wouldn't there be a Roman detachment assigned to the Temple complex to keep the peace? Seems to me, an outburst like that would result in an instant skewering from a soldier.
I don’t believe the Romans were allowed in the temple complex, itself. The Jews did have a temple guard for such occasions, but the record states they were afraid to arrest Jesus in front of the people. That was because Jesus was still somewhat popular at that time as a prophet and they were afraid of inciting a riot, which would almost certainly have led to a more pervasive Roman presence in Jerusalem, hence explaining why they were glad of the proposal by one Judas Iscariot to betray Jesus at a time when he would be more or less on his own.
Not likely. Romans tried to leave local governance to locals-- thus the Sanhedrin. A Roman soldier, a heathen & inherently unclean, in the temple would have resulted in a riot. They would have had to destroy the temple to do that. Romans generally tried to leave cultural squabbles to the local authorities, which is WHY the Sanhedrin were concerned... A rebel could create a movement that might become a threat to the Roman government, which would mean the destruction of the people, loss of everything. As happened about 40 years after Jesus, with the destruction of the temple & diaspora.
Kin policing is still a thing...well, it should be. On one hand my mother is able to make me wither away from any poor behavior with a sideways glance, on the OTHER hand I get into at LEAST 3x as much trouble and take on at least 10x as many bad ideas when my brother and I are unsupervised.
It is still a thing... Anytime a tribal or clan system is disrupted by distrust of the nominal authorities, like in Sunni Iraq before the Awakening, kin policing starts up. Folks go to tribal elders for stuff inside the clan/tribe, and tribal elders meet for beef between tribes. It works, more or less, based on trust & respect for those elders. Those that don't respect the tribe, or those leaders that lose their status, create dangerous power vacuums. It's better with a real political system & trust in the state, but folks find a work-around quick enough if they need to.
Imagine a world where nothing protected you from violence, save for the threat of retaliation from members of your clan or whatever gang you were affiliated with. I'm not entirely opposed to that either, but so long as we live in a contractual society and rely on state protection, they're probably necessary
Wow!! I’ve been so curious about this topic for so long!!! If you’re looking for the truth (?) like I try to do, I’ve come to the conclusion that we’re still using so many things ( conduct codes, knowledge like math, basically astronomy,astrology, ways of measuring time, etc...) from Sumer and Egypt 🙀😉sometimes I feel like we, as a society haven’t advanced beyond this knowledge search
true. people always assume peoples thousands of years ago were "dumb" or "primitive" while in fact they were just as intelligent as people today. its obivious but for some reason many people dont realize this... very unfortunate..
I think an element of kin policing remains in New Guinea, except it’s more that the kin will come for you if you harm a member of their family. I think it was Jared Diamond who wrote an account about having a car accident there, and he was advised to not ever stop at the scene of an accident, especially if you think you might have killed somebody, but instead go straight to the police station to report it, otherwise the person’s relatives will meet out justice there and then, as they see fit
My thoughts, exactly - probably an examination of the earliest prison systems would shed more light on the actual authority each of these groups carried. It’s a Bible account, but Genesis mentions the experience of Joseph in Egypt, circa 1900BCE, where he worked for Potiphar, the “captain of the guard” and was put into a prison kept for those who displeased the Pharaoh. It would be interesting to know if evidence of such a rudimentary prison system has been found in Egypt or not
Goddangit, can the writing get any more cliché than this? We all know that the old "As im sure you know" trope is nothing but a sign of a bad author. Edit: And if yoiu dont get that this is a joke, then shame on you. Shame *Cling Clong* Shame *Cling clong* Further edits: "They used Dogs and Monkeys to apprehend criminals". Now all i can see is "FLY MY MONKEYS!" Edits Part 3, The Return of the Editors: Just wanted to add that as usuall, fantastic content.
I love your channel but disagree with ALL your closed mindednesses when it comes to alternative ancient history . You once told me after asked when there are 3 giant pyramids that match Orion in Egypt, Mexico and China because pyramids are the easiest to build🙆🏻♂️. We see the EXACT same building techniques in different countries that SUPPOSEDLY had zero contact. How is it easier to believe that those structures just coincidentally popped up all over the world rather than a civilizations had communication long before we realized? I really don’t understand this. It’s like you throw out logic sometimes
@@WorldofAntiquity when I was referring to built the same I should’ve clarified I didn’t mean they have so structures of the pyramids per se, what about the iron joints in a lot of structures in those countries or the polygon or architecture. There’s not enough time in the day to go over a lot of similarities. I just shared the link about the matching Orion, so if you could clarify what you mean by they don’t match Orion I would appreciate it
@@chrisszuch9482 Yeah, I am not seeing the same kind of iron joints or the same polygonal masonry or architecture (except in the most generic of ways). I have seen no link from you. Maybe it got deleted by UA-cam as spam?
@@WorldofAntiquity I hope the link of the pictures from said countries That match Orion’s belt shows on what I’m talking about. I also believe you to be a man that a year ago would’ve said people who believe in flying saucers are crazy even though our own government admits that they are not ours or adversaries. It’s my belief that your cognitive dissonance would not allow you to even entertain the thought, please tell me if my assumption is correct
I have heard this issue addressed before but your wide-ranging wrap-up of the subject is greatly appreciated. Concise and information-packed. Thanks.
British author Lindsey Davis has done a rather long series of Detective Novels set in first century Roman Empire.
Falco.....I recall reading one of those years ago.
No one cares. Anything american?
What an amazing video! I feel like I should be arrested for theft because this level of teaching should cost money!
I’ve never even considered this topic before but it’s absolutely fascinating
Have you heard of Wikipedia?
Of course, The Wu's greatest contribution was to hip hop in the early 90's.
But seriously, thank you for another enlightening video.
The regales would make a really interesting Netflix mini-series-kind of like Cadfael meets Rome.
My favorite law enforcement in Rome is the Frumentarii- secret police/spies affiliated with the postal service.
In my fan fiction, this is the Apostle Paul's occupation.
You might like Lindsey Davis Falco series which is a murder mystery series set in first century Rome staring a private investigator.
Cadfael? used to watch that with my parents
This was a really interesting overview of the history of law enforcement - I had no idea about much of it! You covered things I didn't even know existed to need to be covered, like the kin-as-cops things, or the change from early Rome militia to watchmen cop-firefighters! Thank you for what you do, Dr. Miano. You work very hard to bring knowledge to us, for which I'm thankful. ❤❤
Oh, and I've been checking out the channel of Kaleigh, the subject of your first livestream interview, and I'm really glad you had her on - her stuff looks really good!
Quality channel!!!!!!!!! Easily my favourite ancient history channel. I watch others but this one has taught me how to spot when their just making stuff up.
Not the ancient world, but in Medieval Spain there was a police-like organisation called "Santa Hermandad" (Holy Brotherhood) whose members all wore leather armour with green sleeves. That sparkled a saying in Spain: "A buenas horas, mangas verdes" (at good hours, green sleeves), implying that they often arrived late to the scene of the crimes.
It would be funny to find in ancient writing: "There's never a Medjay around when you need one."
I don't know, the Medjay seem to get younger every year.
{:o:O:}
Not ancient, but in medieval Spain there was a saying similar for the law enforcement: "A buenas horas, mangas verdes".
This was an amazing journey to learn about all the different forms of policing and law enforcement, your channel is great
I really appreciate your approach on our ancient past. I look forward to watching your previous videos.
Hi, I just came to this channel from your conversation with Destiny. I wanted to say I really appreciate this kind of history and look forward to watching some of your older videos!
Thanks, and welcome to the channel!
Another great video David very informative
this was super informative. thank you!
Thanks!
And thank you!
Love your channel!
Do you know where 'policeman' comes from, sir? ... 'Polis' used to mean 'city', said Carrot. That's what policeman means: 'a man for the city'. Not many people knew that. The word 'polite' comes from 'polis', too. It used to mean the proper behaviour from someone living in a city.
“Have you ever wondered where the word ‘politician’ comes from?” said the Patrician.
Sir Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms
Epic of Gilgamesh, code of hammurabi ❤️❤️❤️👍
Power of pater familias in Rome should not be underestimated. The family was the first on chain of law enforcment up to jurisdiction in lesser crimes.
Not only in Rome, but almost everywhere. State apparatus rarely concerned themselves with interpersonal crimes until pretty recently. Order was kept by the threat of clan retaliation. When states did first reach into that sphere of keeping order, it was usually by placing fines that the offender or their family had to pay to the victim's family
@@LVSJT: I know, but Rome, especially late Republic, was still quite special.
Great overview! I can name drop Dr. Fuhrman who oversaw my grad work. His book is "Policing the Roman Empire" published by Oxford Press and is an indepth look at how Rome policed its empire.
Great topic! Thanks.
Yes, in Italy the fire fighers are still called "vigili del fuoco". And as modern Italy has a "Guardia di Finanza", ancient Rome had the Quaestor who looked, among other duties, for tax evaders.
I always point to Lucius Sejanus as the ultimate archetype of the bad cop.
In will Burroughs somewhere it says "a correctly functioning police state wouldn't require a police force" and no, don't know where he lifted that from ...
Thank you.
Although it is not exactly the same thing, that topic sort of brought me back to the times when I studied history of law (technically a law degree here in France, not sure what it is elsewhere). This is a very interesting field, although it might not seem sexy from afar. I'd be interested in videos on such topics.
Hi David. Love your channel and research on your subjects. I took some classes at Mesa College. Great school.
Another amazing video
I would be curious about methods from the ancient americas. Any quick thoughts?
Thank You for Teaching Us about Ancient police forces. Especially India.
Thanks for the video. May I ask, were the Vigiles active on the local level accross the Roman empire as well? Or were they confined to the capital only? Thanks.
Most cities had probably something similar. In the countryside peace was kept by the military or in some places a mounted police called diogmitai (chasers) who fought bandits and the like.
Very, very interesting! Thank you.
Brilliant question
Grandpa Miano's picture should be in every single video from now on.
Kinda like how there's a superman reference in every Seinfeld episode.
This was brilliant, thank you Dr M,
Interesting! Probably there were ancient Egyptian donut shops that the Medjay would hang out in, waiting for a call to come over the ancient Medjay police radio! LOL JK. This was all super fascinating.
Monkey Police apprehending criminals!!!
Well clearly society doesn't always progress because that would be freekin awesome TV!
"Aaaaaaaaaaaabner! You'll never believe what I saw through the Stevens' window!"
you do an amazing job with these videos! I cannot believe the only have 66 thousand subscribers. it just goes to show that the average person would rather hear about Ancient Aliens and conspiracy theories then actual history facts
Punished for throwing dirt onto to streets? Suppose one can infer the streets were paved (makes no sense to ban throwing dirt onto dirt) or is "dirt" a polite way of saying "night soil?"
Law Enforcement in the Ancient World
Dr. M, .you can't just drop a line about Ancient Egyptian Police using monkeys and leave us at that! Even a short video about that would probably gain a good amount of views, heh.
DoctorFatman Monkeys acting for the Police. If only they had goten hold of some gorillas! Great role models! Scanning the comments above, I'd say that the history of modern police forces is a big historical topic in the developmennt of modern societies in all their complex social and industrial structures, In Britain Sir Robert Peel's ministry under Victoria is generally seen as the inception of a professional nation wide - though locally managed police forces. Police were warranted as Crown Officers taking over from parish watch men and Beadles (remember Oliver Twist and the beadle around 1834)These were dubbed Peelers or Bow Street Runners after a famous Covent Garden street in London. I guess there were similar developments across Europe and in the USA. You know the strangely shaped British Police helmets . Well they are simply a version of the military helmet in the mid Victorian period. Until recently Police were "armed" only with truncheons. In UK fire arms in the hands of Police are becoming much more common although still not standard (hooray!). In Britain there was an age old resistance to anything like an Army being used to police the population. No Gendarmes here! Resistance to large armies around the place is embedded in old traditions about " British Liberty.". The experience at "Peterloo" (1819) was singular and deplored!
The main (and probably only) evidence is from a Dynasty 5 mastabah at Saqqarah belonging to a man named Tepemankh (alt. Djadjaemankh). It depicts a “policeman” with two baboons on leads, one of whom is grabbing the leg of a boy trying to steal food at a market. These are not Medjey, however (far, far too early), and can be interpreted as guards. Just do an image search for Tepemankh and baboon and you’ll find photos of the scene (now in Cairo)
Very cool 😎 thank you!!
Police police police,policing police.
Fact
Thank you.
Hey David M, thanks for the videos. Since there seem to be more stories, uninformed UA-camrs out there and outright lies. I was delighted to find your site.
Since I’m new to channel i have many more to view…
Just one question, what is the deal with the country or land mass held by the lost kingdom of Tattaia
Tartaria/Tartary is just a name that has been used for Central Asia. Today there is a conspiracy theory about a lost kingdom of Tartaria, but it is based on pseudoscience.
I'm guilty of enjoying that vid . Cheers David.
Can you clarify BCE? I can’t get a grip on that! Is it the same as BC where we add about 2000 years to the date?
I’ve had this same issue! I do know that apart from adding those 2000 years, you have to subtract instead of adding years to whichever date you’re trying to get 😠 confusing ain’t it?
@@johannahidalgo7738 it’s so confusing for someone who can’t do mental math 😩😃
@@Lora_M_NY 😆😆😆😆
BCE (Before Common Era) same as BC. CE (Common Era) same as AD.
There is no adding or subtracting necessary. The numbers are the same.
I know they had judges, which is in the Old Testamebt but police isn’t mentioned. So the Ancient Hebrews/Jews/Israelites would self police?
They certainly had kin policing.
"Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do when Medjey comes for you?"
I saw a deal on some cable channel where there were these guys in Rome & other large cities that were roving patrols of fire militia/pseudo 🔥 Guardian Angels. They wore helms similar to current day fire fighters'.
(Note: the above was put down before you got to Rome.)
Any videos on Tartaria….Tarars… “The Lost Kingdom” as some say
Thanks if you are able to respond..
D Murphy
Tartaria wasn't a country but a geographical region, there is nothing more to say about that.
Omnis Vigiles Nothi!
5:41 *Foreign* slaves because they did not have a conflict of interest?
Hard to say one way was superior
Aside from Paul's conversion story, are there any accounts of religious figures deputizing Roman provinciale citizens in first century that you know of?
Why would a religious figure be able to deputize someone?
@@WorldofAntiquity Isn't that Paul's claim? That he was tasked with arresting followers of Christianity in Damascus by the high priest in Jerusalem?
It doesn't make sense to me, especially with Rome's disdain for Jews at the time.
I was just curious if you had ever read of such a practice outside of the bible.
@@criticalmass8 Well, the priests in Jerusalem were not police. But they could (internally) deal with members of their own religion.
Critical Mass: As I understood the situation in Roman Judea, the Romans practised "indirect rule". So the Jewish Authorities retained their authority and Law making powers under the Herodian monarchy by "permisson" of the Roman Governor - hence the Herod / Pilate relationship as described in the Gospels & Acts. You recall the satirical label "King of the Jews" attached to the rebel Jesus's cross. Saul, later to be renamed Paul, received his mandate & warrant from the Temple Priesthood on behalf of the Sanhedron tasked by the Herodian Monarchy to enforce the Torah (Jewish Law) over rebellious or heretical Jews , including Jews much later to be called "Christians". This period is early in Christian history - maybe around ?40AD (a Biblical scholar is needed here).. Saul who was alter to be renamed Paul was a Hellenised Jew born in Tarsus in Anatolia. He was from a city conferring Roman Citizenship. In the Empire, Jews at this time were not excluded from Roman Citizenship. So Paul would have had certain important privileges and legal protections conferred on any Roman Citizen (a much prized status) whilst also at the same time acting as a functionary officer of the Jerusalem Temple Authorities. Paul was a highly educated Pharisee professionally a person theologically qualified to teach the Hebrew Scriptures whilst Jesus was outside this official system - seen as a Galilean so provincial rustic outsider bearing an heretical prophetic message. Another example of a very eminent and famous Jewish Roman citizen in the First Century was the historian Josephus, who eventually achieved Imperial patronage. I am sure there are knowledgeable followers of this site who can expand on this and correct or amend if it is in error about these complex relationships.
@@robertbrennan2268 did the local Jewish authorities really maintain the same governing permissions after Judea was made a Roman province in 6 CE?
The Babylonian Talmud mentions a general legal independence until about 28 CE, but was deputizing Roman citizens to hunt down other Roman citizens recorded anywhere else?
How likely would it be for someone to survive a disruption as described in the story of Jesus and the money-changers?
Wouldn't there be a Roman detachment assigned to the Temple complex to keep the peace?
Seems to me, an outburst like that would result in an instant skewering from a soldier.
I don’t believe the Romans were allowed in the temple complex, itself. The Jews did have a temple guard for such occasions, but the record states they were afraid to arrest Jesus in front of the people. That was because Jesus was still somewhat popular at that time as a prophet and they were afraid of inciting a riot, which would almost certainly have led to a more pervasive Roman presence in Jerusalem, hence explaining why they were glad of the proposal by one Judas Iscariot to betray Jesus at a time when he would be more or less on his own.
Not likely. Romans tried to leave local governance to locals-- thus the Sanhedrin. A Roman soldier, a heathen & inherently unclean, in the temple would have resulted in a riot. They would have had to destroy the temple to do that. Romans generally tried to leave cultural squabbles to the local authorities, which is WHY the Sanhedrin were concerned... A rebel could create a movement that might become a threat to the Roman government, which would mean the destruction of the people, loss of everything. As happened about 40 years after Jesus, with the destruction of the temple & diaspora.
Kin policing is still a thing...well, it should be. On one hand my mother is able to make me wither away from any poor behavior with a sideways glance, on the OTHER hand I get into at LEAST 3x as much trouble and take on at least 10x as many bad ideas when my brother and I are unsupervised.
It is still a thing... Anytime a tribal or clan system is disrupted by distrust of the nominal authorities, like in Sunni Iraq before the Awakening, kin policing starts up. Folks go to tribal elders for stuff inside the clan/tribe, and tribal elders meet for beef between tribes. It works, more or less, based on trust & respect for those elders. Those that don't respect the tribe, or those leaders that lose their status, create dangerous power vacuums. It's better with a real political system & trust in the state, but folks find a work-around quick enough if they need to.
Looks like we gotta get a time machine boys and ACAB back in Rome!
So basically snitching thru history… ha this was a good one prof thanks.
Has there ever been a case in ancient time of someone portraying them selves as a police in which they were not.
The People have been responsible for the law. Somehow we forgot that.
Imagine a world where nothing protected you from violence, save for the threat of retaliation from members of your clan or whatever gang you were affiliated with. I'm not entirely opposed to that either, but so long as we live in a contractual society and rely on state protection, they're probably necessary
@@LVSJT Both is necessary.
Wow!! I’ve been so curious about this topic for so long!!! If you’re looking for the truth (?) like I try to do, I’ve come to the conclusion that we’re still using so many things ( conduct codes, knowledge like math, basically astronomy,astrology, ways of measuring time, etc...) from Sumer and Egypt 🙀😉sometimes I feel like we, as a society haven’t advanced beyond this knowledge search
true. people always assume peoples thousands of years ago were "dumb" or "primitive" while in fact they were just as intelligent as people today. its obivious but for some reason many people dont realize this... very unfortunate..
Would it be fair to call the "kin policing" you referred to as "blood feud" justice?
Well, that often was part of it.
I think an element of kin policing remains in New Guinea, except it’s more that the kin will come for you if you harm a member of their family. I think it was Jared Diamond who wrote an account about having a car accident there, and he was advised to not ever stop at the scene of an accident, especially if you think you might have killed somebody, but instead go straight to the police station to report it, otherwise the person’s relatives will meet out justice there and then, as they see fit
Show people about tamiz dynasty's of India.
Does sangam literature mention about a police force?
How does your brain hold all this information? I'd need two heads.
I assure you, that was not all off the top of my head!
👍
This video is practically begging for a Part 2 about legal systems and what happened once you were apprehended by ancient law enforcement.
My thoughts, exactly - probably an examination of the earliest prison systems would shed more light on the actual authority each of these groups carried.
It’s a Bible account, but Genesis mentions the experience of Joseph in Egypt, circa 1900BCE, where he worked for Potiphar, the “captain of the guard” and was put into a prison kept for those who displeased the Pharaoh. It would be interesting to know if evidence of such a rudimentary prison system has been found in Egypt or not
Damm , nothing changes, same criminal, new millennia.
I can't believe you left out mentioning the Code of Hamurabi which is said to have laid the basis of all laws (in the West at least) today.
Well, the video is about enforcement, but I did show a picture of it!
@@WorldofAntiquity But not everybody would make that connection if they didn't know the history.
1:03 did he say “politeia” is a Latin word? 😂
I lost interest already in the video
Goddangit, can the writing get any more cliché than this? We all know that the old "As im sure you know" trope is nothing but a sign of a bad author.
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And if yoiu dont get that this is a joke, then shame on you. Shame *Cling Clong* Shame *Cling clong*
Further edits:
"They used Dogs and Monkeys to apprehend criminals".
Now all i can see is "FLY MY MONKEYS!"
Edits Part 3, The Return of the Editors:
Just wanted to add that as usuall, fantastic content.
No one cares what you think
You neglect the misery of the era's so hard that you become dishonest. The world at this time was hell.
I love your channel but disagree with ALL your closed mindednesses when it comes to alternative ancient history . You once told me after asked when there are 3 giant pyramids that match Orion in Egypt, Mexico and China because pyramids are the easiest to build🙆🏻♂️. We see the EXACT same building techniques in different countries that SUPPOSEDLY had zero contact. How is it easier to believe that those structures just coincidentally popped up all over the world rather than a civilizations had communication long before we realized? I really don’t understand this. It’s like you throw out logic sometimes
But they aren't the exact same building techniques, and they don't all match Orion.
@@WorldofAntiquity when I was referring to built the same I should’ve clarified I didn’t mean they have so structures of the pyramids per se, what about the iron joints in a lot of structures in those countries or the polygon or architecture. There’s not enough time in the day to go over a lot of similarities. I just shared the link about the matching Orion, so if you could clarify what you mean by they don’t match Orion I would appreciate it
@@chrisszuch9482 Yeah, I am not seeing the same kind of iron joints or the same polygonal masonry or architecture (except in the most generic of ways).
I have seen no link from you. Maybe it got deleted by UA-cam as spam?
@@WorldofAntiquity I hope the link of the pictures from said countries That match Orion’s belt shows on what I’m talking about. I also believe you to be a man that a year ago would’ve said people who believe in flying saucers are crazy even though our own government admits that they are not ours or adversaries. It’s my belief that your cognitive dissonance would not allow you to even entertain the thought, please tell me if my assumption is correct
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little known fact: Gilgamesh and Enkidu was the first buddy-cop story