Are You Making This Drum Setup Mistake? - Drum Ergonomics Expert Weighs In
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
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Chapters
0:00 - intro
2:02 - what I said in the past
4:09 - what Brandon Green noticed about my mechanics
5:52 - setup principle 1 - is there one optimal setup?
7:17 - setup principle 2 - drum and cymbal height
8:24 - my Ichabod Crane posture, and posture in general
11:51 - oooor was I halfway right about tom angle
12:45 - outro
I’ve read the book “The Anatomy of drumming” at least twice. What I like to do to reset is to close my eyes, and rearrange my back, neck, limbs angles in a way so that I feel the least amount of muscle work. In the book it’s explained as imagining you’re stacking your skeleton in such a way it’s supporting you the most against gravity. This way allows for us all being different and still achieving a healthy position. The one about drums is also close your eyes, and place hands/feet where you want to strike the drum, and move it to that position. Rack toms, depending on the mount and size bass drum, tend to be a compromise, I know….
I have a wall next to me, so I hung two cheap door mirrors that specifically show a side view of my posture when I play. It helps.
I feel like seeing yourself can help a lot also with just playing more relaxed and less stiff.
Fascinating subject. I based my college dissertation on this topic. I do remember something my tutor said on the contrary to the ergonomics debate about turning up at a gig where you have an dining chair for a drum stool and the snare stand won't adjust properly and you just have to make it work, that kind of thing stangely can be the way you learn to play with great finesse.
I didn't even realize this kind of thing needed so much explanation. I would fiddle with my kit until stuff was the most comfortable to reach; it seemed pretty straightforward to me
Yeah, me too. I never though all that much about it. The less movement the better.
The intro beat gets me every single time. It's so good.
I'm glad you are focusing on drum ergonomics. I'm 74 years old and I've been playing since I was 15, so I speak from experience.
If you are not comfortable, you are not happy and your sound reflects this. You should be able to play every set without getting tired or feeling any discomfort at all. Posture, reach, angle of sticks, angle of knees, elbows and neck. Even your shoes will affect your playing. You should always feel relaxed and the music should feel like it is flowing from your soul. Your soul should always be able to radiate your sound and your feelings..
If you're not happy, your sound is not happy. If you are playing correctly, it should feel effortless.
I'm used to play without shoes at all. For me it seems the most comfortable. My drumset is right at my home so I'm used to play without shoes for many years. From the other side it is quite handy - It doesn't matter what shoes you're wearing, it's always possible to take them off!
When I play at home or at casual gigs, I have a favorite pair of soft loafers ("slip-ons") with support that actually feel better than playing barefoot.
When I have to wear a tuxedo or suit to play in public, my lace-up dress shoes are soft, lightweight, with good support and feel like my loafers that I wear to practice in at home. These are critical because I sometimes have to carry my kit very long distances, in many trips after I unload them and then park my car in a lot very far away. Then I have to repeat all this in reverse when the gig is over.
If my feet are not happy, my playing reflects it. @@3dsanek
On my old 4-piece, I had the rack tom on a snare stand (mostly because the vintage tom arm was not practical) and I ended up sitting it almost flat, slightly more angled than the snare, which was slightly angled itself. I wasn't reaching for it, but the 8" depth helped with getting it that low. From there, the cymbals were just high enough to not hit anything below them when played. That was probably the most comfortable kit I've ever played. I have been hunting for a specific configuration that matches my drum series ever since to get that 12x8 rack tom size again.
Yeah this is a very complex topic. A bit of humility is essential to discuss it. Thanks for laying out the arguments the way you did.
I spent 15 years playing with kits that have rack toms mounted off the bass drum, angled down. That configuration SEVERLY limits the ability to bring the toms closer in towards you while seated at the kit. I didn't realize how much of a difference it made having the toms closer towards you and the snare until last year when I was recording in a studio using the producer's kit. I walk in and see this thing and it's set up with everything completely flat. I thought "man this is just set up all wrong, but whatever, I'll just play". So I start playing and immediately realize how much LESS work I was having to do to move around the kit. It was amazing. Now, after 15+ years of drumming I have switched to a completely flat layout. Had to buy a new Ludwig kit with Atlas mounts, but it was well worth it.
I've had the complete opposite experience lol But having toms mounted on the bass drum especially for 5 pieces really sucks. I was so glad when I got a tom stand. Plus bass drums sound a lot better without any weight on them. Including pillows (I hate pillows but you need them if you dont have a port hole IMO)
man this video is perfect timing. the past month was experiencing a lot of back pain so i have been on the search for advice on getting better posture and his channel was the one that solved most of my problems. this video is the cherry on top because i was just going over my rack tom placements and bam you dropped this gold for us. thank you and I cant wait to see the full interview!
You have influenced me. Since you made that video around 4 years ago, I've been trying to angle my toms less and less. I needed somewhat of an angle, and it's worked out.
Watched Dave weckls ‘back to basics’ video in the 90s. Been setting my drums up the way he describes ever since.
I'm still waiting for the sequel - "Let's Get Needlessly Complex"
Man I’m not one to comment often but this has been a HUGE help to me, such a subtle setup change but it’s been giving me major results. Max Roach’s Daahoud bridge is a great tool for benchmarking efficiency on these sorts of position shifts fwiw
Hit this 1 out the park Nate this video is very enlightening😊
Thanks for making this video! Students ask me these questions all the time
This is very informative. I seem to go thru periods of different rack tom angles. Everything else remains pretty much constant. But that darned rack tom - feels good "this" way for awhile, and then need to adjust it "that" way for a time.
always good stuff, just something to add which you may have tried already but I switched to the 5 piece Marco setup with high tom next to the floor and won't go back, takes a little reprograming for melody but makes a 5 piece feel way closer to sticking and cymbal position on a 4. love your vids brother
Hey Nate, how cool that you made this video just when I was questioning my 12" tom angle. Mine is angled similar to yours before you made the new adjustment. Almost flat but not quite. Drummers were saying to me "I don't know how you play it like that". I've been happy with lifting my arms to reach over the rims, but yeah, it is wasted energy and movement so I'm going to angle mine a little more towards me, pretty much like you've done.
To be honest, the angle I've been using came from an aesthetic thing, I simply liked the way it looks when more flat. I've looked at the tom angles of various top drummers on youtube and I noticed that many who have their toms flat are traditional grip players. Either that's coincidence or perhaps it's easier to reach flat angled toms with trad grip and better for matched grip players to have more of an angle. Love your videos, always educational and entertaining and your sense of humour is great, you make me laugh a lot. 😊
Informative! I injured my lower back a few years ago and I had to rethink my setup. I now have much better posture and a more efficient setup. Don't forget to stretch before a gig!!!!!
Thanks for the video! The issue I have is the limitations of the positions the toms can move for optimum positioning. Especially toms mounted on the kick.
I’m a busy gigging 57 year old, with hardware in my low back and tendinitis in right hip. Lots of helpful tips in this video.
Yeah, basically the way I look at it is that you should be hitting your toms so the bulk of the barrel of the tip is hitting flush with the skin. As you showed, if you have to flex your wrist to hit the tom flush, or your toms are so angled that you're catching mostly tip then it's probably not a good idea.
Having said that though, it really depends on the overall setup. Nicko McBrain is one of my drumming hero's. I'd never set my kit up like him with the "wall of toms" almost vertical in front, but if you look at the way he sits, his stick tips hit at the same perfect angle the rest of us (hopefully) have when we set up our toms more flat. I suppose he raises his arms a bit more than maybe he should but it doesn't really look like he's wasting movement getting around his kit, so it works for him.
I've always liked them angled decently so you don't have to lift your stick up a ton to hit them, but not so angled that you're almost stabbing at them lol I've seen some great drummers play with em flat and it's baffling to me. I've also see drummers angle their snare away from them which I also find weird but, some people just do what they do I guess.
comment from 3m11s very appropriate, i can feel overworked back muscles just looking at it. Thank you for sharing your time and expertise.
My method for this involves a lot of trial-and-error with "economy of motion" as my guiding principle. I start with my throne and set that so my thighs are just higher than my knees and then set my snare so the head is parallel to the ground, so I can set the height at about waist-high. Then, I adjust the tilt toward me until I'm hitting rimshots naturally. This makes the choice to not play rimshots as easy as a slight lift in my wrists (I play American match grip, as opposed to the French timpani grip shown in the video). When setting my toms, it's a lot like my snare, I start with a rough height and a flat drum for the smallest tom. From there, I angle until I'm just hitting rimshots. If I like the height, I'll add enough tilt to make rimshots an intentional choice. If I like the angle, I'll drop the height to achieve the same goal. I'll set the next rack tom at the same angle and height, then adjust the space between the drums so I'm hitting in the middle. From there, I set my hats and ride to about the same height as the middle of my toms, creating a fairly level playing surface. My crash cymbals are just about shoulder-height and tilted slightly toward me to help with the swiping motion and not digging into the edge of the cymbal; and set at a distance that allows me to crash them off of my ride or hats without needing to reach. I simply point my stick at 12:00, lift my arm at the shoulder, crash, and return to the pulse instrument. Everything big and showy I do is then an intentional choice. The end result, though, is that I can play my kit with my eyes closed. Maybe hit a few rims but, otherwise not suffer any loss of proficiency.
I like my rack Tom flat an low, almost between my snare and floor...so it makes a triangle....for this I use low bass drums...18 is nice. I've tried alsorts of set ups but keep coming back to this.
Great point, surprised he didn't mention that, smaller bass and hang toms off cymbal stands makes lots of never before seen options
This has been useful. I was already onto the rack Tom angle, but oddly it influenced another decision. I like 1-up, 2-down kits. But having 14-16 or 16-18 floor Tom's really force you to crank around. I'd considered going with 2 14's simply as a weight and space saver ( 2nd floor tuned LOWER) but the ergonomics issue brings up another advantage.
Awesome video!
Glad to be one of the naysayers of the past, ending up as an example of your comments! :P
BTW: I had a small victory tonight at a gig, after a slight adjustment of my rack tom the rest of the gig was smooth sailing. I wish I would have done it 10 years earlier.
AND: for me it's not just about avoiding pain (yet) but allowing my thoughts not getting in the way (rack and floor tom placement, ride height and angle --> not having to lunge), or my sticks getting to each other's way (hi-hat placement and height, snare drum height and angle). It's the "extending arms" that throws me off, since I like to sit high. Seriously, it's one of the bottlenecks of drum set ergonomics that seems to really throw off my concentration and activating my brain in absolutely the wrong way. If I would sit lower, which I won't since I am afraid my knees or lower back would protest, i would probably put everything in a somewhat 90's David Garibaldi -position, with everything in a high angle but still accessible - not having to reach. on the other hand, if the toms of my main pop-rock-top40-function gig -kit were more shallow I could have the toms super low and with very little tilt, and still be able to sit high and not lose my balance. I tried this with another kit of mine and it worked great. It probably has to do with the angle into which one extends the arms so that it doesn't start interfering with one's balance point. Given that the bass drum and hi-hat aren't super close to one's body, so that your legs can compensate for the upper body partially leaning somewhere. Dunno.
If I would play traditional grip the amount that my elbow has to approach the small tom in a jazz setting would be much less. So 1-0 for the true jazzmen. Putting up a 10" instead of a 12" whenever the music doesn't mind it decreases the amount of travel to the sweet spot area of the drum, also making sure that the (sue me, I don't care) tom rim is a bit above the snare. Sure, some ppp tremolos might feel more dangerous because of that but less extension = happier person. And, in order not to mess up the drumhead it just needs to go higher. But higher isn't "further away", I learned this from a jam session where the ride cymbal was like a "shield" and I didn't have to raise the arm-bit-after-my-elbow at all in order to perform. These experiences combined with your seeming preference of having the drum up-and-away, resulting in having to first lift and then extend your arms made me express my opinion :P
Regarding being able to put the small tom to my preference, this is where the drumset manufacturer's decisions come to play, I've worked my ass of to optimize the ergonomics in my jazz kits but am still not there. I rely on L-rods with jazz-stuff since the clamping method has to survive a powerful dead stroke when I want to deliver one, and the ball-based thingies usually don't. Then it's about the height and lenght of the L-rod, which for me right now never seems to be enough.
Also, floor tom placement has to do with bass drum placement. Everything adds up. I'm tired.
Ask Al Foster.
AND: Regarding sitting low and angles, which I also used to find funny and impractical until I tried it: what about 70's / early 80's Colaiuta? He absolutely flew on that setup. I have a friend who sets up his kit like Vinnie USED to and it looks weird and feels weird at first, but soon it starts feeling super easy. But still: am afraid of my knees and my lower back, so no. I know I know, you have a video about that too. But... maybe we all should reconsider some things from time to time. Then again, to my knowledge he did have back problems back then.
(hooray for anecdotal "evidence" :P )
My biggest complaint being short is the bass drum pedal angle I wanna try an offset dbl pedal so I can get that snare right between my legs not closer to one leg then the other
How about the snare height? Todd Sucherman recommends to set the snare drum at the heght of a karate chop; that is with elbows at almost 90 degrees. That is much higher than most drummers have. Some drummers have it so low that with a rimshot the hands touch the legs. Chair height:: Phil Collins did sit very low and has back problems. Steve Gadd also is sitting very low, Vinnie Colaiuta also is sitting low. Chester Thompson is sitting very high. Simon Phillips is sitting higher than Vinnie, Steve and Phil but lower than Chester. Dave Weckl is sitting low but has his snare at Todd Sucherman height. Tood hasd almost samer chair height than Simon Phillips. Bruce Beckert is siiting higher than Simon, Todd, Vinnie, Steve band Phil but not as high as Chester.
Videos of my live performances are my tactic for observing and correcting my mechanics
I have been trying to "fix" my posture and came up with a great way to make it easier to focus on.
Instead of being aware and forcing your posture just move your head until it feels the lightest and your chest and shoulders will follow. The head in the lightest position is considered the correct posture and it makes it much easier to focus on keeping your head light instead of back straight, head up, shoulders back and open chest. Maybe its just me? but doing this the past two days has been a breeze and in the past it has felt impossible to keep being aware of it. Give it a try
just curious - did you listen to my question or Brandon's answer when it came to posture?
@@8020drummer Yes, that's why I put fix in quotes.
I have had a long desk job though and actually need some correcting. Before my desk job my posture was never straight. I just looked in the mirror keeping my head light and it is at the same posture as before my desk job. Not straight, but very comfortable and relaxed. Just throwing it out there for anyone who is always at a desk and has noticed their posture change and body change with it. It has made me feel much better the past two days and if it can help someone else then great, if not then it doesn't really matter anyway as your body adapts to how you do things
man ive been thinkin this past week of ur microtime videos - a few questions
1) how do you play triplets or anyother irrational grouping with a metronome set to the offclick? should i keep another one in a different subdivision or am i just overthinking all this - or is this just strictly for working upon one straight line of a subdivision?
2) how would you practice switching between different irrational groupings - tuplets in particular?
any exercises to improve time and any material you're working on while on public transport etc?
sorry for the lengthy questions 😂 love your content
The expert who should tell you how to play your drums is yourself I don’t care if you wanna sit 6 feet high 5 feet high 3 feet off the ground I don’t care how you want your tom-toms I don’t care if you want them upside down you play what’s comfortable for you if you think you’re gonna be playing into his 70s one day at a time
Stephen Taylor showed a good way to improve posture when sitting at the drums. As you sit down, extend your butt back a bit to get your tail bone in a better position, As you straighten up, your spine ends up in a natural unforced position and sitting straight doesn't require so much of an effort. I've been doing this and it has helped. I'm most comfortable sitting a little on the low side. I actually find it difficult to feel balanced when I sit too high. Maybe it's just the way I'm built. I'm also not very tall, 5' 7". One time when I was playing on someone else's kit, I really had to use Stephen trick to sit balanced on this guy's throne. Now, he sits kind of low, with his thighs roughly parallel to the floor. Except that he's 6' 6''. So his seat height is pretty high for me. He complimented me later on my good posture. So Stephen's trick works, I guess.
I agree with everything you said about tom angle and height. I really hate it when I get on a kit and the toms are angled so steeply that I have trouble hitting them in a way as to let the sticks natural rebound reset my hands for the next hit. But I also don't like reaching over to play the toms when they're sitting too flat. Large toms with power depths can be really challenging to position. I think that's often why some drummers angle their toms so steeply; so they can lower the rims to get over them more easily. My drums are power sizes with their shell depths about one inch less than their diameters. So I have chosen not to use the 13" and 14" rack toms. Because I agree with the notion that I shouldn't let my kit dictate how it should be set up, but let my body be the guide to positioning the kit.
Anyway, I think this is an important topic that every drummer should put some thought into and take some time exploring how to make their kit more ergonomic to play.
1:52!!!
I’m a ‘heavy metal’ drummer, and I’ve never pitted heads so badly in 28 years!!!
Good video😊
My feeling is that your floor tom should be same ht as your snare. You don't want to have to go up / down between them. This i picked up from Neil Peart, also the man that was showed early in this video had his ft and snare the same. However you may have to lower your snare. Should help. Take Care Now
I agree with this. If mine are ever not in a video it’s just because it was a shared kit and I was too lazy to adjust
Gracias
My posture used to be just like yours. After a couple of years of regular yoga practice the slump is gone.
I'm actually curious about hi hat and snare position. I've seen plenty of drummers put the snare slightly to their left, and others put the snare center. On my kit, I'm able to put my snare dead center, and I like it, but I wonder if it's why I can't really lift my left stick too much to hit the snare. When I play kits with the snare more to the left though, I didn't notice a huge difference tbh
One thing that I think gets neglected when talking about setups is the effect of tom depth/kick drum size. People like to rag on 80s drummers for their extreme angles, but the reason for this was the fact that they had super deep toms and big bass drums. I have a 24” kick (which I love!) and if I want to mount anything bigger than a 10” drum it needs to be either off to the side for a 4 piece setup or set at a pretty severe angle to make room for the extra depth from larger rack toms. The only alternative would be to have the drums way too high to play comfortably.
I have many students but I rarely change the set up between each lesson. This is something I'm going to have to add.
Oh i think litle tilted rack toms just feels instantly so easy to play and feels ergonomic cant imagine playing not tilted rack toms
Top advice my man 🖖 whistles
How tall are you, Nate? Been wondering for a while now haha. You look like you're pretty tall, and I am too, so I generally follow your setup advice cause similar body types and all that
*Davie Diepol, the A+ tech metal drummer who I strongly strongly STRONGLY urge you to go watch on UA-cam right now, said that he puts his rack time raised quite a bit above the snare rim, and almost perfectly flat in order to force his posture to be so tight that he cannot he the Tom’s otherwise. If he slumps even a bit, he will be hitting rim instead of head. Thought that was interesting. Also, there seems to be a pretty vast difference between say a jazz drummers optimal setup, and a death metal drummers setup. Metal drummers want as little space between instruments as possible so they can go from one to the next as quickly as humanly possible. Where as jazz set ups can’t have a bit more spacing and range.*
The old HBO Original beginning is great
wtf I thought I was already subscribed 😮😮😮
Genetic Icobod Crain posture. I lost it. Haha
“ … 40, 50, 60, 70 years ago; might have been the Da Vinci era” 😳😂. Leonardo was 500 years ago. However: personally my trick was a flat high snare (just below my navel) then you have to sit up straight. Before that I had loads of problems and physiotherapy etc, but a high flat snare straightened me out ✌🏻🤩
do you think "da vinci" was what he was saying there? ;)
@@8020drummer Yeah 😂 what did he refer to 😳😅
I got that Ichabod posture
Here we go! Now I gotta chk my kit out all over. I do have to cut my tom angle down.
Danny Carey's posture in the vic firth video is a good example I think.
So you should talk to Dave Elich. He has a lot of good advice on this very topic.
I’m a big fan of Dave’s and I agree with lots that he says. Why are so many people leaving this comment as if Dave is the *only* expert on mechanics
Bro I need to address this so bad. I keep hitting myself in the hands because of my snare/hats/toms configuration
maybe it's cuz i still only play on a vdrum kit... but i dont cross my snare/hat sticks... crossing is severely limiting to me cuz i like to bang on the snare whenever i want... am i the only one?
One big thing I noticed, everything was single stroke hits. Having angled toms angled too much inhibits the bounce for doubles. There is a difference between real drummers and people who just learned how to play drums
Flat rack toms never seems to bother Keith Carlock. Anyone seen his setup?
sit up straight but comfortably, thighs slightly bent, move your sticks around, move gear accordingly, it should be like dealing a deck of cards, no over reach, Vinnie Colaiuta
Ichabod Crane never had chops. So there's that.
Man, I watch you and about 15 other drummers on all the social platforms. And you’re like my psychiatrist because you’re not pushing so hard and you’re showing that you are still capacity of learning always. I watched a JD Beck video with jungle beats and speed and 16th note speed. Your perspective on subdivisions was very good too. I’ve been playing drums for 25 years and I love it.
And now Jojo Mayer has raised his cymbals to the ceiling🥴
Some of the best learning is through failure.
angled rack toms.. omar hakim?
I was with you until ‘70 years ago, might even be Da Vinci era’ 😬
Who do you think he was referring to?
Too late! Body already damaged! Que that Cher song.😅 Most of these changes I have done because the body told me to.
Posture is massively affected by how in shape you are. If you work out regularly, youll have more control over your body.
Inthink your desired set up is a personal decision. One thing i noticed between you and Brandon is you guys have a long reach because of your stature. Shorter, smaller drummers like world class drummer Steve Smith, has to reach farther depending on the drum set for the type of music he’s playing. I’m 6’1”, i like my toms a little above the snare, and cymbals lower, and or angled away. Similar to Chris Coleman. Its all personal depending on comfort and performance.
I don't know if you've stepped up your game, or I've just been paying more attention, but you're killing it lately. Thank you.
Double thanks for introducing me to Brandon Green. We need more people like him in the drum world
You did not talk about drum throne height
Guess you got me
My airdrums are always ergonomically aligned
I've actually thought about air drumming lately as a key to personal preference in drum set positioning. No one air drums in a way that wouldn't heel good.
check out how daru jones sets his kit up
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I think poor kit set-up is a product of poor stick technique, the more I practice on a pad toward push/pull an moellar the more I found myself changing my kit set-up toward the middle norm.
maaaaaaybe. For me it's about memorizing the feeling of sitting up straight and the feeling of slumping and making-automatic the adjustment. TLDR - you can still slump even with decent hand technique if one considers mine decent.
Oh, wow, Thom Yorke teaching drums! Super cool! Thank you, great channel!
Well..I'm about 70 and have everything set up as uncomfortable as possible..sitting very low..cymbals flat and very high..drums fairly flat and far apart... I can still play as fast and as hard as ever.
haha
@@8020drummer It's 100% true
I want to believe this but then I look at say Dave Grohl who has the worst posture and drum positioning according to what you’re saying and he can still play just as solid as he was like 35 years later. Obviously hasn’t been only the drummer in a band that entire time but definitely played a lot more hours than I will have when I hit his age. Also I think there is something to be said about the feeling of the live performance. If I watched a drummer play with perfect posture and very little action it just feels boring even if the actual sound and play is great. Just me?
Not "genetic Ichabod Crane posture"!!! 🤣
not to sound negative, but what qualifications does that guy have besides being biomechanically based? how is he an expert. He hasn't helped any professional i can guarantee that. Does he have a biomechanics background? the answer is no. love to hear more about it. Ive seen his videos and seen him make several basic anatomical mistakes and wrong suggestions. Even other professionals have corrected him on his own IG. Hes not the expert he claims. People tend to think having an online presence makes you an expert and having a channel apparently makes it believable. Additionally, the things he speaks of has no evidence base. Its more inferential based on others recommendations and general biomechanic info. For example, when he speaks of neck torque, its absolutely wrong. hyperflexion of you neck stresses the anterior vertebral plates and discs only if done chronically. Its not torqued and you can absolutely play like that without any stress depending on how long the position is held. The drum kit itself was not created ergonomically, hence the lack of symmetry so everything doesnt break down the way he is saying such as left and right ext rotation, hence why we have a rotating seat. Anatomy of Drumming is great guide regarding ergonomics, which im sure he takes from. Drumeo has some vids as well . There is a good article on drum injuries by Dr. Mathew on Modern Drummer. Thomas Lange also has some good vids on it. He has good insight because hes suffered knee injuries and carpal tunnel which he talks about. Brandon speaks well and seems like a nice guy but that doesn't make him an expert in any regard. Beware of all these expert wannabes.
When did Brandon claim that hyperflexion was so bad you couldn't do it even for brief periods of time? I seem to remember him saying something like "you want to be in a good position MOST of the time you play, and you want to avoid holding suboptimal positions for long periods of time." Also, how can you "guarantee" Brandon hasn't helped any professionals?
@@8020drummerHe didnt say it. I did based on what was displayed but with this wrong description of neck torque. I dont mean to hate but there are too many unqualified people talking. There are people who actually do their due diligence and acquire the appropriate degrees when furthering their careers, who have the credibility to speak on topics. if he was a real professional, you would see the abbreviations after his name. i follow him on IG thats how i know what he clearly doesnt. I appreciate your vids because of the effort you put in and you arent going beyond your scope. when you discuss health, biomechanicas, injury risk, etc, particularly in a teaching manner, you often need more than some popular videos. this is especially true if youre going to call yourself an expert.
This way of thinking implies that load on the body is bad. Which is wrong.
The body is made to adapt.
More spine movement while playing could be brneficial for drummers (like reaching for a crash here and there) to get more variety in position and posture.
How would dry wall guys survive with this way of thinking?
To try to respond in good faith, I think there's a difference between hormetic stress and non-hormetic stress. If subjecting the body to adversity weren't good, nobody would work out. But there's a difference between putting load on the body for short periods of time, then allowing for recovery, and putting chronic load for no reason. even Brandon says that the odd cymbal in a place where you have to reach for it is fine. But why would you play 2 hour gigs every few nights for decades in a position that required you either to expend energy to hold yourself in an optimal position, or else be in a bad position? Just because Chris Bumstead and Ronnie Coleman lifted heavy doesn't mean if you forced them to sit slumped in bad office chairs for hours every day it wouldn't be detrimental on their bodies.
@@8020drummer well sure there are more and less ergonomically beneficial sitting and setup positions. However, to make claims about whether or not a position or technique will lead to pain seems silly. Just look at differently people walk and move in general. Also there is a very little evidence for posture and its contribution in pain in general.
This guy uses the same approach as squat university does when it comes to training. Over simplified claims and not respecting basic modern pain science.
You video was too late. I'm already crippled up.
Just play the way you like, there is no wrong way. Anyone that says that it's wrong doesn't understand individuality, and originality.
So...... What makes sum one a "drum ergonomics expert" ?????
If you play enuff & experiment enuff, YOU WILL FIND YOUR MOST COMFORTABLE SET-UP. EVERYONE'S body is shaped & "made" differently from arm & leg length to torso height, joint placement, ALL OF IT. OBVIOUSLY if it HURTS you're doing it wrong. Yiu want to be able to remain COMFORTABLE while reducing every movemnet to the shortest available space. I hardly need an "expert" to tell me that 😆😆😆😆
Also with cymbals, dont keep your cymbals FLAT unless u LIKE BUYING STICKS & drilling holes to stop cracks in your cymbals. You should strike your cymbal the same way you strike a drum head. Not the cymbal edge. I have NOT broken a drum stick in 15 years, NO JOKE (probably longer but...) i have sticks that are probably older than alot of you reading this. Why? Proper technique. Every backbeat is a rimshot & if you look @ my sticks, even ones that are 5 yrs old, they are NOT all "beat-up"
Just sayin'
O ya, I've always gotten compliments on my posture behind the kit, but the funny thing is, I'VE NEVER EVER "thought" about it, its just the most comfortable FOR ME, to sit up STRAIT & PROPER
Explain to me the optimal height for toms depending on body geometry, and how I know I can trust it, then ;)
You can’t teach feel.
I am gonna do what Thomas Lang, John Bonham, and Vinnie do. Not you.
Oh man, this question again!! 37 years of playing here. If you don't want to hurt your body and have good posture, the most important thing besides all the other variants is to get a back rest. Your expert is no expert in my book if he doesn't promote this. I know, all your drum heros don't use one but you know better. Suddenly, you will sit upright and prevent back problems. Hit nothing under your belly button is also important to have good posture and play with power.
I played a friends kit with a backrest on the seat a few weeks ago, it was really stunning, I played 2 full days of recording with no fatigue and more consistency