I have owned these speakers for 5 years now. I also read reviews from every publication around the world before purchasing.. Here are a few things to consider. The review mentioned research. Yamaha researched the technology for 8 years. They have enormous technological resources and experience, far beyond smaller well known and highly regarded speaker makers. All 3 drivers are made from the same material. Go find that elsewhere. A midrange dome has advantages over a cone but this is hard to make so virtually everyone uses a cone midrange, ATC being one exception. A 12" woofer has more radiating surface than two 8" woofers. Play the movie soundtrack from Blade Runner 2049 on CD and I think the 26hz bass spec is conservative. Vangelis composed that score using a vintage Yamaha analog synthesizer still sought after today. Yamaha has kept the price the same since 2016, probably due to the value of the yen. Compare that to competing speakers in this price range and how much they have increased and you'll see they are more of a value now than ever. Japanese speakers, of which there are few in the US, just don't get respect from reviewers here and I'm afraid also in the UK. Not sure why that is but go listen. A company that makes musical instruments understands quite a bit. My pride of ownership is immense, particularly when I see a famous artist playing a Yamaha grand piano with the tuning fork logo on the side. Yamaha has special music centers that support its pro users like Elton John. These speakers are highly underrated but highly overperforming masterpieces.
@@GaryKeepItSimple My point is no review can replace listening, which I thought was yours. If that's not what you meant, then you are welcome to enlighten us.
I own a pair of speakers that also extends to high frequency range 36Hz to 40kHz (-3dB). But I wonder why they do that. I'm guessing it's to avoid phase shifting at lower (possibly audible) frequencies. Do they have a subwoofer to pair with these? I went with tower speakers, to get the tweeters at a proper height and the bigger internal volume does help extend the low bass.
I think (I do not know for sure) the extended high frequency is a side effect of having good high frequency. The speaker is mechanical and it just does its thing untill it cant. No reason to stop it so boast about it. Unlike CD players which are electronic and the "out of hearing frequencies" would mix and distort the "in frequency" sounds. Beat frequencies etc. I think the bass would be good on these. BUT PS audio says always use a sub. It gives the main speakers an easier life and so better sound.
@@GaryKeepItSimple I have to set the LPF on the sub to minimum (about 40 Hz) otherwise the bass gets overbearing. I certainly have no desires or wants with the current setup.
@@GaryKeepItSimple Also, My speakers are 4-way, they put 1 tweeter for 3k-12k, and 1 for everything above 12k so going to 40k seems deliberate. Maybe it helps if you have hi res audio, I don't know. It seems to me output levels above 20 k are so low it doesn't matter, but phase shifts definitely could.
If you get it filled with a good solid plug of wood it should be good. You would need a person that knows how to plug. It may never be exactly the same, but done properly ,you would not be able to tell. Good luck.
No, sorry. I have had to go by the specifications. I did some research and they get very good "Audio Reviews" but no I have not heard these particular speakers. I do like what they have done technically.
Title of this video makes no sense given the fact that you have not even heard what they sound like. Sorry to say but this is a complete waste of time. As if deciphering speakers specs can tell you how good they are!
And obviously with my ears you would know exactly how good they are. There is no way for me to be able to let you experience the sound quality because in the end you would be listening in on either your TV speakers, phone speaker or a set of headphones and I would have to record the sound produced by them in an anechoic chamber using extremely high quality professional sound equipment. You could look them up on the audiophile magazine reviews as I did, but they just harp on about the sound, Not how the sound is made. UA-cam is good for turntable and cassette deck demos etc where you can do a direct feed but no good for Ambient audio. Sorry but that is why some things have to be different. I hope you appreciated the technology involved to make these Speakers. That was the point.
@@GaryKeepItSimple Audio has always been about the law of diminishing returns. To get 3% better performance you have to spend twice as much. To get 2% performance over that you need to spend twice as much as the second speaker. To get that extra 1% better than the third speaker you can double it again. Then someone comes out with a new speaker. Instead of chasing the latest and greatest, people should just listen to the music. I have a 20 year-old set of Canton speakers someone sold me for half price because they were on to something newer and "better."
The same applies to all life. I had, as a young person a 200 cc Yamaha, then a 500 Yamaha then a 1100 Yamaha. when I got to the 1100 I stopped looking at bike mags and going to bike shows because I had arrived and I did not want any other temptation. As you say Listen to what you have and enjoy. Thanks for your input. Have a great day.
This is a vid great for someone looking at spending around 20 grand on a pair of speakers. There is no mention of that cost. waist of time for all that, don't have that sort of money. this come a cross like trickery in making people waist there time in watching a pointless video. You kept the price right to the end. I hope you get some flack.
I did not hide the cost. I said it was expensive when I started. However what you say is a lot of money and what someone else thinks is a lot of money is not the same. I am not selling these. I said I am looking at what the publicity says and trying to decode it for non tech people. There is always the FF button. Sorry you feel that way. It was a time consuming project trying to be balanced with the reporting.
I have owned these speakers for 5 years now. I also read reviews from every publication around the world before purchasing.. Here are a few things to consider. The review mentioned research. Yamaha researched the technology for 8 years. They have enormous technological resources and experience, far beyond smaller well known and highly regarded speaker makers. All 3 drivers are made from the same material. Go find that elsewhere. A midrange dome has advantages over a cone but this is hard to make so virtually everyone uses a cone midrange, ATC being one exception. A 12" woofer has more radiating surface than two 8" woofers. Play the movie soundtrack from Blade Runner 2049 on CD and I think the 26hz bass spec is conservative. Vangelis composed that score using a vintage Yamaha analog synthesizer still sought after today. Yamaha has kept the price the same since 2016, probably due to the value of the yen. Compare that to competing speakers in this price range and how much they have increased and you'll see they are more of a value now than ever. Japanese speakers, of which there are few in the US, just don't get respect from reviewers here and I'm afraid also in the UK. Not sure why that is but go listen. A company that makes musical instruments understands quite a bit. My pride of ownership is immense, particularly when I see a famous artist playing a Yamaha grand piano with the tuning fork logo on the side. Yamaha has special music centers that support its pro users like Elton John. These speakers are highly underrated but highly overperforming masterpieces.
That is good to know. As I said I have great respect for Yamaha. Thank you for the information.
your words do not mean any more to me than the Video it's self.
@@getfitter928 Until you put words to music they fall on deaf ears.
@getfitter928 sorry. But you missed the point.
@@GaryKeepItSimple My point is no review can replace listening, which I thought was yours. If that's not what you meant, then you are welcome to enlighten us.
I own a pair of speakers that also extends to high frequency range 36Hz to 40kHz (-3dB). But I wonder why they do that. I'm guessing it's to avoid phase shifting at lower (possibly audible) frequencies. Do they have a subwoofer to pair with these? I went with tower speakers, to get the tweeters at a proper height and the bigger internal volume does help extend the low bass.
I think (I do not know for sure) the extended high frequency is a side effect of having good high frequency. The speaker is mechanical and it just does its thing untill it cant. No reason to stop it so boast about it. Unlike CD players which are electronic and the "out of hearing frequencies" would mix and distort the "in frequency" sounds. Beat frequencies etc. I think the bass would be good on these. BUT PS audio says always use a sub. It gives the main speakers an easier life and so better sound.
@@GaryKeepItSimple I have to set the LPF on the sub to minimum (about 40 Hz) otherwise the bass gets overbearing. I certainly have no desires or wants with the current setup.
@@GaryKeepItSimple Also, My speakers are 4-way, they put 1 tweeter for 3k-12k, and 1 for everything above 12k so going to 40k seems deliberate. Maybe it helps if you have hi res audio, I don't know. It seems to me output levels above 20 k are so low it doesn't matter, but phase shifts definitely could.
@@cuoresportivo155 I have watched some documentaries on speaker design. It is a black art. They design by trial and error.
@@cuoresportivo155 I agree. Happy then enjoy.
Great video! I have a set of these too, but got two big holes on the outer case during the moving😢 Is it repairable by patching up the holes? Thanks!
If you get it filled with a good solid plug of wood it should be good. You would need a person that knows how to plug. It may never be exactly the same, but done properly ,you would not be able to tell. Good luck.
@ Thank you!
1. In what world is this a bookshelf speaker???
2. The bass spec is cited at -10db?! C’mon Yamaha. That’s ridiculous.
It's definitely a surprising take on bookshelf speakers! Sometimes manufacturers have their own unique definitions.
How do they sound? Have you heard them live?
No, sorry. I have had to go by the specifications. I did some research and they get very good "Audio Reviews" but no I have not heard these particular speakers. I do like what they have done technically.
Title of this video makes no sense given the fact that you have not even heard what they sound like. Sorry to say but this is a complete waste of time. As if deciphering speakers specs can tell you how good they are!
And obviously with my ears you would know exactly how good they are. There is no way for me to be able to let you experience the sound quality because in the end you would be listening in on either your TV speakers, phone speaker or a set of headphones and I would have to record the sound produced by them in an anechoic chamber using extremely high quality professional sound equipment. You could look them up on the audiophile magazine reviews as I did, but they just harp on about the sound, Not how the sound is made. UA-cam is good for turntable and cassette deck demos etc where you can do a direct feed but no good for Ambient audio. Sorry but that is why some things have to be different. I hope you appreciated the technology involved to make these Speakers. That was the point.
$15K? Nope.
There are more expensive speakers. I agree with you. It is a lot of money
@@GaryKeepItSimple
Audio has always been about the law of diminishing returns. To get 3% better performance you have to spend twice as much. To get 2% performance over that you need to spend twice as much as the second speaker. To get that extra 1% better than the third speaker you can double it again. Then someone comes out with a new speaker.
Instead of chasing the latest and greatest, people should just listen to the music. I have a 20 year-old set of Canton speakers someone sold me for half price because they were on to something newer and "better."
The same applies to all life. I had, as a young person a 200 cc Yamaha, then a 500 Yamaha then a 1100 Yamaha. when I got to the 1100 I stopped looking at bike mags and going to bike shows because I had arrived and I did not want any other temptation. As you say Listen to what you have and enjoy. Thanks for your input. Have a great day.
This is a vid great for someone looking at spending around 20 grand on a pair of speakers. There is no mention of that cost. waist of time for all that, don't have that sort of money. this come a cross like trickery in making people waist there time in watching a pointless video. You kept the price right to the end. I hope you get some flack.
I did not hide the cost. I said it was expensive when I started. However what you say is a lot of money and what someone else thinks is a lot of money is not the same. I am not selling these. I said I am looking at what the publicity says and trying to decode it for non tech people. There is always the FF button. Sorry you feel that way. It was a time consuming project trying to be balanced with the reporting.
Waste their time, you should be more concerned about your lack of common education.
You are mistaken.