Please remember: These are real people who had the courage to come on my podcast and ask for help. Would you be willing to come on this podcast and share every detail of your financial life? Feel free to leave comments based on what you think, but remember that we are here to help in a supportive way, not to demean and criticize.
I know I'm not the only one who is so greatly appreciative that they were willing to share their life in such detail. That takes real courage. They are inspiring for so many reasons!
Nurses say weekly because we are paid hourly per week. So it's the health care jargon. We get paid overtime too. Although they are paying rent that's separate from their weekly pay. Travel nurses get a housing stipend so the rent is not coming from their pay but in addition to. We don't say salary either. A salary nurse get the same money regardless if they work overtime. Nurse Practitioners and nurse managers are salaried. An hourly nurse makes more than salaried nurse because of overtime and shift differential. We don't know our annual income until the end of year because shifts gets canceled if patient ratio is low. 30 years being an RN here. Never did the Covid thing. I had the experience to know the psychological outcomes for my fellow nurses would be PTSD. They deserve every dollar they earn. Made me cry for them. I hope she gets therapy. I see this bubbling up when she gets older.
When the couple spoke about their experiences during COVID, I was heartbroken. Absolutely heartbreaking. She only touched on a little bit, and the full reality is *so* much worse. I don't care what people decide to believe or disbelieve - that gives them NO reason to mistreat anyone else. The abuse from society was/is doubly traumatizing and massively unwarranted. I'll never forget one day, a nurse completely breaking down because of the overwhelming stress, pressure of the job, seeing all the dead, dying sick, families (angry, fear stricken, grieving), etc., then being unable to go home and get even a hug because of fear of spreading the virus to loved ones. The virus was bad enough, but the dehumanization of people who were in healthcare -who trying to help, and even laid down their lives to care for others - is grossly underestimated and we need resources and conversations to raise awareness, provide support and help them heal.
I work on the finance side of healthcare, preparing regulatory reporting for the healthcare organization that treated the first documented COVID case in the US. We definitely saw the financial impact of PHE and travel medical professionals, but as I was also a landlord to travel medical professionals pre-COVID, I also know how challenging that life is. There was definitely pressure on us on the financial side to make sure we could pay for everything, which caused its own kind trauma on us, though it pales in comparison to those on the clinical side. Working in healthcare, no matter the role, is tough, because it’s complex, it’s taken for granted, and it’s so misunderstood, due to politicians who don’t understand how it works coming up with far too simplistic solutions to try to “fix” it.
Critical care trained surgeon here - Took care of COVID patients in relation to surgical care as well but was never abused like you and other "bedside" staff I've heard or read about during the pandemic... I'm so sorry for the abuse you experienced and continued trauma! Keep on taking care of yourselves and each other! Thank you for sharing, painful as it clearly was!
When I was in high school, I decided to do regular volunteering in a hospital (no intention to work in the industry, just decided to give back to community), I was the type that had to go into every patient room and basically help them get what they need, make conversation, etc. Even though it was overall a very positive experience, in those 3 years, I did meet some verbally abusive patients, deaths of people I've recently spoken to, and family who were on their last straw. Some family members told me I saved them by being there for them, maybe cause I was so young, but the abuse from the patients and reoccurring deaths also got to me. I can never imagine working full time, overtime, and during COVID in an environment like this. Deep respect.
NYC nurse here that worked through the pandemic. Props to them being on this show and sharing that traumatizing experience. Most of us haven't recovered mentally and emotionally from the pandemic. If anybody is out there struggling from PTSD like I was please look into EMDR therapy, this was better than CBT or other modalities I tried. And thank you fellow nurses and MD and RTs and residents and pharmacy (stop taking long to verify my meds LOL) and CNA and PCT and transporters and cleaning staff for the work you guys do and especially did during the hardest moments for society. Much love. Stay safe everyone.
@@rayeof_lightLove 💕💕💕 to you all. I worked for a decade and a half with trauma survivors and the secondary trauma was deadly. I changed jobs in early 2023!!!
I’m an ICU PA who worked through the pandemic and this episode had me in tears. I love this couple and they deserve every cent they earned! The part with the disconnect between staff nurses and travel nurses really hit home and to be honest, I always sided with our staff nurses, being on staff myself. Thank you for opening up my eyes to how we made you guys feel and for that I am truly sorry. Great episode, great people, and great advice!
I empathize. I prepare Medicare cost reports for a hospital in Seattle and one in Orange County, CA. I saw how much these hospitals were bleeding money to pay travel medical staff (there are travel CNAs, surgical techs and other professionals as well), and I definitely resented it as well. After all, my employer is still recovering financially, and so I have personally suffered from the impact of the high cost of these professionals during that time. However, we knew there was a clinical staff shortage before the pandemic and it was exacerbated during the PHE, so I understand why the costs were so high. Although my experience was a lot more detached than yours, I can empathize more than you can imagine.
As an ICU nurse who worked covid in NYC and Texas, I still deal with the aftermath. I never deal with anxiety and panic attack until covid. Lots of nights filled with nightmares. Just an awful time that we still deal with unfortunately. I refuse to feel bad about the money I make as a travel nurse simply because some staff nurses rather stay comfortable where they're at. Traveling is very uncomfortable; you get 1 day or just 4 hours of orientation and they give you the worst of the worst, most ppl don't help including nurses aides who get paid to help nurses. Everyone questions your skills even when you have a badge that clearly states you're certified in your specialty. I feel for her feeling bad about the money she busts her behind for. I had to say to myself "if nothing else good happens at a contract, I get to see my paycheck weekly and be reminded of my why". I do this to earn more so I can invest, retire early, retire my mom bc she's the only thing I have left (I lost my dad and grandma same year during covid). I just want to take care of my family and have time to enjoy their presence.
I'm an anesthetist. I see this ALL the time. The nurses talk so ugly about some of the travel nurses. "How do they not know that." When it's a hospital culture issue not a competency issue. EVERY hospital does things differently and some radically so. Thats hard to account for in your field and something you get very little understanding. And you shouldn't feel bad about the money. Hospitals run themselves as a business and so we shouldn't begrudge staff who do the same and take these high paying, hard potisions. If anything, it's hospitals unwilling to pay their resident staff enough that causes staffing issues so they have to turn around and higher travellers. It's a systemic hospital management issue
I haven’t finished watching yet, but I wanted to add some additional context/reference to how the couple refers to their pay and earnings ( I’m at around 47minutes at the time of writing). Travel nurses work on 13 week contracts and get stipend pay that is not taxed. The stipends make up a big portion of their take home. Additionally, contracts /pay can be unpredictable. Your contract can be canceled with little/no notice or your pay reduced significantly. The rate that you get in one contract can also vary a lot from the next depending on demand, time of year, location, work schedule and differential and overtime pay. It’s hard for a travel nurse to accurately say how much they will make in a month due to this.
The part where Jenee talked about the pandemic made me cry. That’s so sad, and while we hear about it, it’s another thing to watch someone as they’re recounting those experiences.
I am an ICU nurse as well, living and working in Germany (partly as a temporary nursel) for 33 yrs now. I cried long overdue tears when I heard your story. This last three years were ....so hard. You earned every cent of your money and so deserve your Rich Life. Thanks to you both for the openness and thanks to you, Ramit for making us nurse visible❤
1:02:02 Rarely comment on UA-cam but here to say that you deserve every bit you’ve earned. Please don’t be discouraged. Jealousy exists in other high paying professions as well. Nurses were screwed out of their wages during Covid, that has nothing to do with you but with the existing medical system. That’s where their anger should be directed to and not to Travel nurses.
They were not trash talking at all. The nurses who stayed home made a good decision, being paid $60k-80k annually to put your life at risk and emotional trauma was not worth it. Hence they stayed home and took the unemployment. The only winners here were the ones who quit or the ones who became travel nurses and earned 4x. The rest of them were all screwed by the medical system.
@@ze_epthis has always been a problem with travel nurses. No need to flaunt the wage. Hospitals need them but they also need staff. If you’ve ever worked in a place that is mostly travelers, you know how bad it gets without enough core staff.
Appreciate you Ramit for bringing nurses onto the podcast and allowing space for them to talk about their challenges with the pandemic in addition to their finances. Thank you for being empathetic/compassionate when she talked about her PTSD and her experiences a lot of nurses/healthcare professionals have gone through. As a fellow travel nurse, I relate to this couple and gained a lot more insight with seeing how I should consider my different seasons in my life. I liked the athlete analogy, never thought of my profession that way. I am also in the same boat with not knowing what the future holds with my career because it isn’t sustainable for the long term. Good to shift perspective!
Pharmacist here, thank you so much for sharing your story-you both are for real healthcare heroes…covid pandemic time was a seriously scary time and hearing you sharing your experiences taking care of Covid patients make me cry. You are amazing people. Thank you for all that you did and what your continue to do.
Jenee and Dan, really impressed with your vulnerability. It illustrates a level of self-awareness that most do not have. Also really impressed with Ramit and his ability to facilitate these conversations. He's finding a sweet spot of sharing nuggets of his learning with asking questions to allow the couples to learn. My favorite podcast..and now video series.
Not an ICU nurse, but was in oncology. The stress from potentially killing my vulnerable patients and the visitor/flight restrictions for my dying patients still kills me inside.
5:30 Notice Dan’s vivid memory of when he knew he wanted the car. What’s something you dreamt of when you were younger that you never thought you’d be able to afford?
After years of watching “The Sound of Music”, I went to Austria. I explored Salzburg with my daughter. We even sang Doe, Ray, Me in the Mirabella Gardens. It was better than I expected.
Honestly, a sportscar too: a Ferrari F430. The specific model or even manufacturer may change, but I've always dreamed about a driving machine that's finely tuned and requires utmost care. Perhaps it's my own psychology that doesn't believe I'll "get there" or "be able to afford it reasonably" and therefore I have to make a fall-back to alternatives that weakens and mutates the purity of the dream. Thanks Ramit!
A Mercedes - got a used S Class -ridiculously expensive - at the time it was okay - because I got it following "the rules" but over time and more fun cars after that - I'm glad I got it out of my system! Just bought a Buick -will be keeping at least 7 years! If you can afford it - get it! I have no regrets! My next phase is travel!
Stories like these need to be told more. Those who were on the front lines need to share; there needs to be a platform of some sort to preserve the stories before the memories recede.
It's the patients who survived who have the stories. Trust me. What we saw and heard and experienced. And none of us came out of it wealthy. On the contrary, many suffered financial ruin. The health care providers are not the victims. They are not the survivors. This was hard to listen to.
We each have our story. Sounds like both experiences were traumatic. Nurses watching people die and not having control to fix it experienced trauma. Patients in the same experience also did. I still struggle with long covid symptoms from a mild infection and still can’t go for a walk or work full time (when I was formerly very active, owned my own business, and am a single mom with kids who rely on me). I’m no longer independent. I let people down at work…. Kids who needed me…. And it’s a hard thing to forgive. We don’t have to compare experiences. That being said….. people protect yourself. If it’s triggering to hear experiences from a different angle, avoid it. That’s ok. I have DV experiences and need to avoid certain material around it. It’s self care. I’m sorry that we’ve all been through so much.
My gosh. My heart hurts for her and all the healthcare workers that are still healing from what COVID inflicted on humanity. I literally stopped what I was doing because I'm crying too much. 😭 They deserve everything they've worked for.
Respect to Dan for acknowledging his shortcomings and actually working to improve himself. I'm glad Ramit and Jenee acknowledged him on his grit, even if he didn't see it himself. You guys are inspirational!
I also worked as a travel ICU nurse during Covid thank you for talking about this. It’s frustrating that most ppl don’t truly know what we went through during that time. I’m glad they made good decisions with their money I know a lot of ppl that increased their expenses (financed cars, more expensive homes) without planning for the eventual decrease in pay rates and now they are struggling.
Ramit, your empathy, listening skills, compassion makes you the best! I am a nurse who now lives on disability for the past 4 years from a back injury. You are so right that money is emotional. I wish I had found your videos, book, before my disability. Now trying to structure my rich life within my means and I am blessed everyday for every little step. Do you have any interview with someone living with disability income? Hugs to all nurses out there who always put life of others first. ❤ You are seen, heard and valued.
I was very moved by this podcast with Jenee and Dan. They are wonderful, smart people who truly deserve all the rewards of their hard work and sacrifices. I learned a lot from their story as well. Probably my favorite of all your podcasts.
As a travel nurse we talk about weekly earnings. Your contracts, usually 8-13 week increments, are made based on the weekly salary and your “contract” can be cancelled anytime by the facility.
Such a necessary episode. Talks in depth about the intersections of money. It’s not only a numbers game. EMOTIONS play such a huge role and this episode was such a beautiful way to show that. Coming from a public health background very familiar with the impacts of socioeconomic status on health. I can talk about this all day, but just THANK YOU RAMIT. You are doing so much in changing the culture of money.
This is such a fantastic episode, thank you Ramit. Dan and Jenee thank you for sharing your story and for being so open with us about what you have gone through. Congratulations on the financial success, you have absolutely earned it. Jenee, I hope as you continue to heal that you allow yourself to dream big (perhaps non-vehicular) dreams too, you're worth it! Much love from Australia.
Thank you Jenee and Dan for all you went through during the pandemic. Dan doesn’t realize how much of a rockstar he is. No cc’s and cash flowing his tuition, paid off house... Wow!!!😮
This was such an excellent episode for numerous reasons. I’m a huge fan of the podcast and having them on video is even better. This one was especially touching to watch. So many great nuggets here that all of us listening and watching can learn.
This whole episode, including the follow up, made me emotional in the best way. Ramit, thank you for what you do and how you work with people. Your compassion shines through with each episode. My husband and I have been avid watchers for about a year now and are continually honing in on our rich lives and how we're going to get there. Thank yoU!
I so appreciate the respect and kindness with which Ramit speaks with his guests. It’s so refreshing and honestly much more helpful than screaming at and or guilting people. His tone and supportive, open minded, and curious approach reminds me of the wonderful Esther Perel. 💜
A very fun, smart couple. I think I would have made very similar money choices (paying off mortgage first) because I am so risk averse. I know it doesn't make money sense, but I would sleep better at night, and that is priceless.
There are a couple of things I need to say and hope you hear them. I developed SARS and I can't express my gratitude to all the personnel that kept me alive and as comfortable as possible. Second, as a former wartime military wife, I did exactly as you have done. I took every spare cent and paid off every debt including car and house. Security and preparing for wartime contengencies were top priority. I commend you for identifying and executing your exit strategy. By having prepared for an uncertain future, I am in a much less stressful situation to continue my rehabilitation. Bless you.
This is great. As a nurse who went thru the pandemic. I am experiencing the same things. I left ICU from burnout. Got cancer and changed my outlook on life. The money was great. I enjoy my staff job and adjusting my rich life based on today. Glad I made the money. But it wasn’t all that I expected.
I was a director of nursing at a skilled nursing facility through the pandemic and relate so much to Jenee! I feel like I got PTSD and just having to deal with staffing alone drove me out of management. Thank you for being on here… i felt very connected to your story and have a lot of same feelings about money as you jenee! I learned a lot from this podcast !
Thank you so so much for all of your service and you both are truly remarkable people for everything you did to help our world during such an incredibly horrible time.
Jenee and Dan - thank you for your vulnerability on the show. And most of all thank you for your sacrifices not only in Covid but by dedicating your lives to nursing. You absolutely earned the money you made and I wish you both nothing but the best. Jenee - I really hope you find peace after the horrors you experienced. I’m so sorry for what ignorant people did to you during the pandemic. You ARE a hero. You both are. And Dan - I hope you get your dream car soon :)
Thank you so much for this episode with nurses-they are an amazing couple and they did an awesome job helping others during this cluster *&#@. I love nursing but HATE healthcare. Wishing Dan and Jenee only the BEST! Thank you Ramit Sethi!
Holding the hands of those while they pass away….. there isn’t much that is more important than that. Thank you for your work. You deserve the money! Thank you for putting yourself at risk to take care of our loved ones. I had CPTSD after some tough stuff in life and struggle with long covid symptoms. I’m so glad you are both healthy. EMDR made a huge difference for me. But, do what works for you. I’m grateful we now have some effective strategies for it.
$150k is too much to spend on a car unless you are a multimillionaire. Even then after you have become a multimillionaire you will likely realize why it is not a good idea to spend that much on a car. I'm a critical care nurse and worked through the pandemic. Thank you for all the help you provided for others during that time period especially. It is haunting the memories we all have of all the lives lost... My heart goes out to you. You deserve all the travel bonuses and extra pay you earned.
Oh my gosh I love your podcast Ramit but this episode I balled my eyes out listening to Jenee tell us of her pandemic experience. I am so so sorry you went through that Jenee both being around all that loss which must have been so hard on so many levels to the outside insanity you had to deal with. You are a hero for the work you did then in such difficult circumstances but also in general nurses and doctors save lives everyday and deal with loss too being able to get up and do your job everyday knowing there will be those losses that you just can’t do anything about and trying anyway makes you an amazing human you both totally deserve the income you earned I just wish you hadn’t had to go through so much unnecessary trauma on top of the pandemic trauma itself to get there. ❤❤❤❤ thank you Ramit for letting Jenee shine a light on what it was truly like to be a nurse through that time ❤❤❤❤
I think you both deserve all that you have earned and so much more! It was terrible to hear how you were treated. I thank you both for your service and sacrifice in a time the world needed it so badly. You really are heros and I hope you have a future free and abundant
This is the best one I've seen, and they're all good. So moving! So complete. Thank you all Ramit, Jenee, and Dan for this profound and feel-great moment. Here's to your rich life!
thank you Jenee and Dan, and all healthcare workers...I am sorry about how horrible the American Healthcare system is. We can't forget what happened during the pandemic...ever...
Jenee & Dan you'll are amazing. Both risked your lives during the pandemic & continue to do so. Having said this, i would like to add, but I don't want to hurt you Jenee. I respect you a lot. 1. Jenee try to stop mentioning that you helped Dan pay off his IRS. Its in the past & it hurts him a lot 2. He contributed to the house & also is contributing to the holidays you like to have, so try & be considerate towards his dream car. Life is short, let him be happy too. Bless You two & I Pray Dan can get his dream car & You two enjoy long drives & create beautiful memories in that car.
I'm watching this and while I understand why you, Ramit, are confused about how they think about money on a weekly basis. But I also am a contract nurse and I understand why they speak in this way. You only know for sure how much you're going to make for the length of your contract for which you are paid weekly. You literally don't know how much you're going to make on your next contract. You hope that you're going to make a certain amount but you never know. Plus, there's always a possibility of your contract being canceled at anytime. You have to be comfortable with the unknown and what you know for sure is how much you make weekly if that makes sense. I appreciate what you do so much Ramit. I'm halfway thru your book and I'm working on being more conscience about my spending. It's quite literally changed my life ❤
I just discovered your show and this episode is especially interesting to me because I'm a RN, but haven't done traveling. I understand why Janee and Dan talked about their "weekly income." Traveling nursing contracts are normally in a 13-week contract. You'll get a based hourly rate that is taxed, but then you'll also get a different hourly $ amount that is not taxed. The taxed and non-taxed amounts are what you'll be paid for for the duration of your contract. Travel nuring is very lucrative compared to just taking a position at a hospital somewhere. By the way, travel nurses don't work all 52 weeks of the year. In my hospital, travel nurses can do up to 3 contracts (3 × 13 weeks = 39 weeks) without triggering the rules from our hospital nurses' union. So they mostly would seek out their next contract elsewhere. They'll usually take a few weeks off between contracts. It won't surprise me if they work < 45 weeks /year.
My first question is, does she get $150k to spend on anything fun for her? And if she invests it, or buys an assets like a house, he benefits, vs. A car, she does not benefit. (Hes not likely to sell at a profit) Its not a mutually beneficial relationship.... hes getting bailed out financially.... even if it was emotions driving him... shes fixing things. She's rescuing him, them. Lifeboat.
Been married 25 years and I can tell you, there are long periods of time where each person benefits from decisions and the other doesn’t. She isn’t bailing him out, they are either a team or not. She is more fiscally responsible but she is also controlling - no matter how sweetly she packages it.
I greatly appreciate this episode, thank you for sharing your story. And I want to extend my gratitude to Jenne and Dan for their dedication during the pandemic, your efforts are truly invaluable
My heart goes out to all the nurses who are doing their duty. A shame on all the horrible people who were brainwashed through media or social media and became hateful against common knowns that our medical workforce keeps us safe, that masks have been a thing for DECADES, and vaccines save lives. Kudos for this amazing and intellgent couple.
A nurse friend tried to talk me into travel nursing. I'm so glad I declined. Experience taught me this would not end well for those on the front line. We are no longer friends because my friend of 30 years became someone I didn't recognized. Suddenly everyone who earned less than her is not worthy and the lack of empathy towards others was too much. I had to end our 30 year friendship. She was a Covid nurse. It hardens people.
I learnt so much from this discussion, both money Psychology and the experience during COVID. The actual heart of this is soooo much deeper than the question of whether to buy a fancy car. These two people seem so real and lovely, thank you for sharing. If I'm ever ill in the USA, I hope I'm lucky enough to have one of you as my nurse.
Great episode. I love when Ramit helps uncover the past/childhood/family upbringing that influences how we view or treat money. It is so enlightening to see the dots connected from a third party just listening. Hope to get advice from Ramit one day!
I think it would be nice to discuss the cost of owning a 150K car and how often the car is getting used. I remember seeing an MSN Make It episode on a black couple who were also traveling nurses, and the guy owed multiple cars while rarely drove them. Why not test the water first by renting the 150k car for a day or so and see how it feels? Very often the novelty and pride of ownership of a luxury vehicle wears off after a month or two. And the fact that both are traveling nurses and rarely get to use the car is also a concern.
Some additional context: my family bought a really nice Royce Rolls from an auction many years ago but sold it after a year because either we were afraid of driving it and wrecking it, or we were afraid people knew we owned such an expensive car and would steal it. We spent over 6K thirty years ago just to maintain it for a year. So the car was just mostly collecting dust in the garage, and it really didn’t serve any good at the end.
150k is a house, that's grounds for divorce in my opinion. If you are not making 450 grand a year that's not an option. Those cars aren’t in for the mileage, after a hundred thousand miles your dashboard will be lit up like a Christmas tree😢
I am also on the side of the wife as well, spending 150k on car is not a wise financial decision. Super cars are depreciating assets with high insurance and very expensive maintenance.
Buying a car is dumb in itself for that price. How about lease it for a year and get it out of your system. Spend maybe 10k to have your dream car for a year. Then be practical. I am totally on the woman's side as well. We all have dreams as a kid, you grow out of them.
Janee’s description of being a healthcare worker during Covid was so devastatingly sad. All the people saying that those workers were/are heroes will unfortunately never be enough to undo the harm and hatred from the deniers and conspiracy theorists. Not to mention the mental anguish of dealing with patients, and their friends and family even if they supported the healthcare workers. That must have been awful as well. I wish them the best. ❤
What an empowering couple. This is what marriage is supposed to look like. Building up of character traits. Both Dan and Jenee see each other as their best selves and bada$$e$. Jenee - You deserve 77x in love for the amount of hate and disgust you received. You have tremendous value and worth with your big heart for caring for people and refining that care into the skill of nursing. Dan - For the ways in which you have busted your tail you deserve MULTIPLE Audi R8’s. You are a provider with a kind and protective heart. You are a rock for Jenee. Thank you for being a quality man where good men are hard to come by. Tip of the cap to you, Fine Sir.
I personally would be living in the house that’s paid for & working on staff instead of paying $5k for rent. The income will drop but so will the fixed costs. Definitely invest more. Thank you both for all of your hard & sacrifice.
I'm just watching this couple now - while filling out our Quicken(!) just wow. I'm glad she revealed the 'real life' of healthcare workers! I'm a counselor - through the last 30+ years- between political news and the pandemic - now I'm working with the grieving left behind - including my own father. People have forgotten how horrific it really was. But others will never forget. This video will help clarify the tragedy. They deserve the Awesome Audi!!
Ramit is a rockstar of the financial /Relationship world , others have pointed the way be the financial gurus/to fire cultists, but I believe he is the evolution 👍 . If it helps one person IAM in favour of it , we'll done👍
Agreed. Folks in the comments are harsh. If he can save, he should he able to buy whatever he wants as long as it doesn’t jeopardize the household finances.
I’m a nurse too and my income fluctuates so much depending on mileage and other variables so I struggle with giving some of those numbers too. And then when your entire career has been like that, it’s tough to get comfortable giving accurate numbers.
Please remember: These are real people who had the courage to come on my podcast and ask for help. Would you be willing to come on this podcast and share every detail of your financial life? Feel free to leave comments based on what you think, but remember that we are here to help in a supportive way, not to demean and criticize.
I know I'm not the only one who is so greatly appreciative that they were willing to share their life in such detail. That takes real courage. They are inspiring for so many reasons!
Nurses say weekly because we are paid hourly per week. So it's the health care jargon. We get paid overtime too.
Although they are paying rent that's separate from their weekly pay. Travel nurses get a housing stipend so the rent is not coming from their pay but in addition to.
We don't say salary either. A salary nurse get the same money regardless if they work overtime. Nurse Practitioners and nurse managers are salaried. An hourly nurse makes more than salaried nurse because of overtime and shift differential. We don't know our annual income until the end of year because shifts gets canceled if patient ratio is low.
30 years being an RN here. Never did the Covid thing. I had the experience to know the psychological outcomes for my fellow nurses would be PTSD. They deserve every dollar they earn. Made me cry for them. I hope she gets therapy. I see this bubbling up when she gets older.
When the couple spoke about their experiences during COVID, I was heartbroken. Absolutely heartbreaking. She only touched on a little bit, and the full reality is *so* much worse. I don't care what people decide to believe or disbelieve - that gives them NO reason to mistreat anyone else. The abuse from society was/is doubly traumatizing and massively unwarranted.
I'll never forget one day, a nurse completely breaking down because of the overwhelming stress, pressure of the job, seeing all the dead, dying sick, families (angry, fear stricken, grieving), etc., then being unable to go home and get even a hug because of fear of spreading the virus to loved ones. The virus was bad enough, but the dehumanization of people who were in healthcare -who trying to help, and even laid down their lives to care for others - is grossly underestimated and we need resources and conversations to raise awareness, provide support and help them heal.
Absolutely society needs to pay for first responder aftercare. Secondary trauma is deadly. I highly recommend Self Compassion training.
I work on the finance side of healthcare, preparing regulatory reporting for the healthcare organization that treated the first documented COVID case in the US.
We definitely saw the financial impact of PHE and travel medical professionals, but as I was also a landlord to travel medical professionals pre-COVID, I also know how challenging that life is.
There was definitely pressure on us on the financial side to make sure we could pay for everything, which caused its own kind trauma on us, though it pales in comparison to those on the clinical side.
Working in healthcare, no matter the role, is tough, because it’s complex, it’s taken for granted, and it’s so misunderstood, due to politicians who don’t understand how it works coming up with far too simplistic solutions to try to “fix” it.
Critical care trained surgeon here - Took care of COVID patients in relation to surgical care as well but was never abused like you and other "bedside" staff I've heard or read about during the pandemic... I'm so sorry for the abuse you experienced and continued trauma! Keep on taking care of yourselves and each other! Thank you for sharing, painful as it clearly was!
When I was in high school, I decided to do regular volunteering in a hospital (no intention to work in the industry, just decided to give back to community), I was the type that had to go into every patient room and basically help them get what they need, make conversation, etc. Even though it was overall a very positive experience, in those 3 years, I did meet some verbally abusive patients, deaths of people I've recently spoken to, and family who were on their last straw. Some family members told me I saved them by being there for them, maybe cause I was so young, but the abuse from the patients and reoccurring deaths also got to me. I can never imagine working full time, overtime, and during COVID in an environment like this. Deep respect.
You were abused in that the nurses got 4x pay but a lot of docs were asked to “volunteer”
Interviews like this is why you're better than Dave Ramsey. It's an art and a science.
I feel like Dave Ramsay treats his callers with scorn and like they are idiots. Ramit treats them like they are people who want help.
Yea, I’ve watched too many episode where he yells at his callers.
@@jainthorne4136Dave definitely hates his callers and treats them with no respect.
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@@lot2196 Dave misses a lot of the issues
NYC nurse here that worked through the pandemic. Props to them being on this show and sharing that traumatizing experience. Most of us haven't recovered mentally and emotionally from the pandemic. If anybody is out there struggling from PTSD like I was please look into EMDR therapy, this was better than CBT or other modalities I tried. And thank you fellow nurses and MD and RTs and residents and pharmacy (stop taking long to verify my meds LOL) and CNA and PCT and transporters and cleaning staff for the work you guys do and especially did during the hardest moments for society. Much love. Stay safe everyone.
Thank you 💚 🙏🏻 I was a critical care RT pre pandemic and had to leave Healthcare all together in 2022 for my own sanity.
@@rayeof_light I left the hospital to work as a school nurse as well. Don't plan to ever return to the hospital. Stay blessed my friend. 🙏
@@Roberto-Escobar you too 💚💚🙏🏻
@@rayeof_lightLove 💕💕💕 to you all. I worked for a decade and a half with trauma survivors and the secondary trauma was deadly. I changed jobs in early 2023!!!
Thank you for your service ❤
I'm a paramedic Firefighter in Colorado and can't thank you guys enough for everything you did during that crazy period. You guys are my hero's.
Not just that period but 24/7/365. Truly a grueling world to work in.
I am a year late to this, but, here is my “Thank you :)”
“Heroes” not “hero’s”
I’m an ICU PA who worked through the pandemic and this episode had me in tears. I love this couple and they deserve every cent they earned! The part with the disconnect between staff nurses and travel nurses really hit home and to be honest, I always sided with our staff nurses, being on staff myself. Thank you for opening up my eyes to how we made you guys feel and for that I am truly sorry. Great episode, great people, and great advice!
I empathize.
I prepare Medicare cost reports for a hospital in Seattle and one in Orange County, CA. I saw how much these hospitals were bleeding money to pay travel medical staff (there are travel CNAs, surgical techs and other professionals as well), and I definitely resented it as well. After all, my employer is still recovering financially, and so I have personally suffered from the impact of the high cost of these professionals during that time.
However, we knew there was a clinical staff shortage before the pandemic and it was exacerbated during the PHE, so I understand why the costs were so high.
Although my experience was a lot more detached than yours, I can empathize more than you can imagine.
As an ICU nurse who worked covid in NYC and Texas, I still deal with the aftermath. I never deal with anxiety and panic attack until covid. Lots of nights filled with nightmares. Just an awful time that we still deal with unfortunately. I refuse to feel bad about the money I make as a travel nurse simply because some staff nurses rather stay comfortable where they're at. Traveling is very uncomfortable; you get 1 day or just 4 hours of orientation and they give you the worst of the worst, most ppl don't help including nurses aides who get paid to help nurses. Everyone questions your skills even when you have a badge that clearly states you're certified in your specialty. I feel for her feeling bad about the money she busts her behind for. I had to say to myself "if nothing else good happens at a contract, I get to see my paycheck weekly and be reminded of my why". I do this to earn more so I can invest, retire early, retire my mom bc she's the only thing I have left (I lost my dad and grandma same year during covid). I just want to take care of my family and have time to enjoy their presence.
I'm an anesthetist. I see this ALL the time. The nurses talk so ugly about some of the travel nurses. "How do they not know that." When it's a hospital culture issue not a competency issue. EVERY hospital does things differently and some radically so. Thats hard to account for in your field and something you get very little understanding. And you shouldn't feel bad about the money. Hospitals run themselves as a business and so we shouldn't begrudge staff who do the same and take these high paying, hard potisions. If anything, it's hospitals unwilling to pay their resident staff enough that causes staffing issues so they have to turn around and higher travellers. It's a systemic hospital management issue
I haven’t finished watching yet, but I wanted to add some additional context/reference to how the couple refers to their pay and earnings ( I’m at around 47minutes at the time of writing).
Travel nurses work on 13 week contracts and get stipend pay that is not taxed. The stipends make up a big portion of their take home. Additionally, contracts /pay can be unpredictable. Your contract can be canceled with little/no notice or your pay reduced significantly. The rate that you get in one contract can also vary a lot from the next depending on demand, time of year, location, work schedule and differential and overtime pay. It’s hard for a travel nurse to accurately say how much they will make in a month due to this.
This was helpful context, thank you for sharing!
Yessss haha I was laughing when Ramit was weirded out by how they are talking about money. But what you say is so true.
Thank for the context! I knew there was a reason and was soooo confused why Ramit was so confused.
The part where Jenee talked about the pandemic made me cry. That’s so sad, and while we hear about it, it’s another thing to watch someone as they’re recounting those experiences.
I am an ICU nurse as well, living and working in Germany (partly as a temporary nursel) for 33 yrs now. I cried long overdue tears when I heard your story. This last three years were ....so hard. You earned every cent of your money and so deserve your Rich Life. Thanks to you both for the openness and thanks to you, Ramit for making us nurse visible❤
This is the only personal finance video that’s ever moved me to tears. Wow. Very moving and insightful at the same time.
1:02:02 Rarely comment on UA-cam but here to say that you deserve every bit you’ve earned. Please don’t be discouraged. Jealousy exists in other high paying professions as well. Nurses were screwed out of their wages during Covid, that has nothing to do with you but with the existing medical system. That’s where their anger should be directed to and not to Travel nurses.
The guest trash talking other nurses ("they stayed home, we stepped up") isn't doing them any favors.
They were not trash talking at all. The nurses who stayed home made a good decision, being paid $60k-80k annually to put your life at risk and emotional trauma was not worth it. Hence they stayed home and took the unemployment. The only winners here were the ones who quit or the ones who became travel nurses and earned 4x. The rest of them were all screwed by the medical system.
@@ze_epthis has always been a problem with travel nurses. No need to flaunt the wage. Hospitals need them but they also need staff. If you’ve ever worked in a place that is mostly travelers, you know how bad it gets without enough core staff.
Appreciate you Ramit for bringing nurses onto the podcast and allowing space for them to talk about their challenges with the pandemic in addition to their finances. Thank you for being empathetic/compassionate when she talked about her PTSD and her experiences a lot of nurses/healthcare professionals have gone through. As a fellow travel nurse, I relate to this couple and gained a lot more insight with seeing how I should consider my different seasons in my life. I liked the athlete analogy, never thought of my profession that way. I am also in the same boat with not knowing what the future holds with my career because it isn’t sustainable for the long term. Good to shift perspective!
Thank you for your services!
Pharmacist here, thank you so much for sharing your story-you both are for real healthcare heroes…covid pandemic time was a seriously scary time and hearing you sharing your experiences taking care of Covid patients make me cry. You are amazing people. Thank you for all that you did and what your continue to do.
Jenee and Dan, really impressed with your vulnerability. It illustrates a level of self-awareness that most do not have. Also really impressed with Ramit and his ability to facilitate these conversations. He's finding a sweet spot of sharing nuggets of his learning with asking questions to allow the couples to learn. My favorite podcast..and now video series.
Icu nurse here from florida. One big hug for all health care workers during pandemic
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Not an ICU nurse, but was in oncology. The stress from potentially killing my vulnerable patients and the visitor/flight restrictions for my dying patients still kills me inside.
We the general public are forever indebted for your service during that difficult time.
Thank you for all you did for our country. I am so sorry you had to deal with ignorant people on top of everything. It's unreal.
Jenee’s covid story is heartbreaking. Some people STILL believe covid is a conspiracy. Heartbreaking.
First line essential workers deserve all the extra pay. You are our heroes.
5:30 Notice Dan’s vivid memory of when he knew he wanted the car. What’s something you dreamt of when you were younger that you never thought you’d be able to afford?
Travel! We only went on a handful of car trips during my childhood
After years of watching “The Sound of Music”, I went to Austria. I explored Salzburg with my daughter. We even sang Doe, Ray, Me in the Mirabella Gardens. It was better than I expected.
Honestly, a sportscar too: a Ferrari F430. The specific model or even manufacturer may change, but I've always dreamed about a driving machine that's finely tuned and requires utmost care. Perhaps it's my own psychology that doesn't believe I'll "get there" or "be able to afford it reasonably" and therefore I have to make a fall-back to alternatives that weakens and mutates the purity of the dream.
Thanks Ramit!
A Mercedes - got a used S Class -ridiculously expensive - at the time it was okay - because I got it following "the rules" but over time and more fun cars after that - I'm glad I got it out of my system! Just bought a Buick -will be keeping at least 7 years! If you can afford it - get it! I have no regrets! My next phase is travel!
Stories like these need to be told more. Those who were on the front lines need to share; there needs to be a platform of some sort to preserve the stories before the memories recede.
It's the patients who survived who have the stories. Trust me. What we saw and heard and experienced. And none of us came out of it wealthy. On the contrary, many suffered financial ruin. The health care providers are not the victims. They are not the survivors. This was hard to listen to.
We each have our story. Sounds like both experiences were traumatic. Nurses watching people die and not having control to fix it experienced trauma. Patients in the same experience also did. I still struggle with long covid symptoms from a mild infection and still can’t go for a walk or work full time (when I was formerly very active, owned my own business, and am a single mom with kids who rely on me). I’m no longer independent. I let people down at work…. Kids who needed me…. And it’s a hard thing to forgive. We don’t have to compare experiences.
That being said….. people protect yourself. If it’s triggering to hear experiences from a different angle, avoid it. That’s ok. I have DV experiences and need to avoid certain material around it. It’s self care.
I’m sorry that we’ve all been through so much.
My gosh. My heart hurts for her and all the healthcare workers that are still healing from what COVID inflicted on humanity. I literally stopped what I was doing because I'm crying too much. 😭 They deserve everything they've worked for.
Inflicted.... good description
Respect to Dan for acknowledging his shortcomings and actually working to improve himself. I'm glad Ramit and Jenee acknowledged him on his grit, even if he didn't see it himself. You guys are inspirational!
I also worked as a travel ICU nurse during Covid thank you for talking about this. It’s frustrating that most ppl don’t truly know what we went through during that time. I’m glad they made good decisions with their money I know a lot of ppl that increased their expenses (financed cars, more expensive homes) without planning for the eventual decrease in pay rates and now they are struggling.
Ramit, your empathy, listening skills, compassion makes you the best! I am a nurse who now lives on disability for the past 4 years from a back injury. You are so right that money is emotional. I wish I had found your videos, book, before my disability. Now trying to structure my rich life within my means and I am blessed everyday for every little step. Do you have any interview with someone living with disability income? Hugs to all nurses out there who always put life of others first. ❤ You are seen, heard and valued.
For an Audi I would also set aside some funds for maintenance costs.
I was very moved by this podcast with Jenee and Dan. They are wonderful, smart people who truly deserve all the rewards of their hard work and sacrifices. I learned a lot from their story as well. Probably my favorite of all your podcasts.
As a travel nurse we talk about weekly earnings. Your contracts, usually 8-13 week increments, are made based on the weekly salary and your “contract” can be cancelled anytime by the facility.
Such a necessary episode. Talks in depth about the intersections of money. It’s not only a numbers game. EMOTIONS play such a huge role and this episode was such a beautiful way to show that. Coming from a public health background very familiar with the impacts of socioeconomic status on health. I can talk about this all day, but just THANK YOU RAMIT. You are doing so much in changing the culture of money.
This is such a fantastic episode, thank you Ramit. Dan and Jenee thank you for sharing your story and for being so open with us about what you have gone through. Congratulations on the financial success, you have absolutely earned it. Jenee, I hope as you continue to heal that you allow yourself to dream big (perhaps non-vehicular) dreams too, you're worth it! Much love from Australia.
Go Aussie.
32:38 Imagine your income 4x’d overnight. What would you do with the money if you were in Jenee and Dan's shoes?
Thank you Jenee and Dan for all you went through during the pandemic. Dan doesn’t realize how much of a rockstar he is. No cc’s and cash flowing his tuition, paid off house... Wow!!!😮
This was such an excellent episode for numerous reasons. I’m a huge fan of the podcast and having them on video is even better. This one was especially touching to watch. So many great nuggets here that all of us listening and watching can learn.
Thank you for watching
This whole episode, including the follow up, made me emotional in the best way. Ramit, thank you for what you do and how you work with people. Your compassion shines through with each episode. My husband and I have been avid watchers for about a year now and are continually honing in on our rich lives and how we're going to get there. Thank yoU!
I so appreciate the respect and kindness with which Ramit speaks with his guests. It’s so refreshing and honestly much more helpful than screaming at and or guilting people.
His tone and supportive, open minded, and curious approach reminds me of the wonderful Esther Perel. 💜
A very fun, smart couple. I think I would have made very similar money choices (paying off mortgage first) because I am so risk averse. I know it doesn't make money sense, but I would sleep better at night, and that is priceless.
This is the best episode so far. It ties in so many layers, not just financial.
There are a couple of things I need to say and hope you hear them. I developed SARS and I can't express my gratitude to all the personnel that kept me alive and as comfortable as possible.
Second, as a former wartime military wife, I did exactly as you have done. I took every spare cent and paid off every debt including car and house. Security and preparing for wartime contengencies were top priority. I commend you for identifying and executing your exit strategy. By having prepared for an uncertain future, I am in a much less stressful situation to continue my rehabilitation.
Bless you.
This is great. As a nurse who went thru the pandemic. I am experiencing the same things. I left ICU from burnout. Got cancer and changed my outlook on life. The money was great. I enjoy my staff job and adjusting my rich life based on today. Glad I made the money. But it wasn’t all that I expected.
I was a director of nursing at a skilled nursing facility through the pandemic and relate so much to Jenee! I feel like I got PTSD and just having to deal with staffing alone drove me out of management. Thank you for being on here… i felt very connected to your story and have a lot of same feelings about money as you jenee! I learned a lot from this podcast !
Thank you so much for this episode, and thank you Jenne and Dan for working through the pandemic. Truly you deserve every cent and more.
Thank you, both, for being vulnerable. I definitely learned some things about our own situation.
This content is so good. You are spoiling us with every episode.
Thank you so so much for all of your service and you both are truly remarkable people for everything you did to help our world during such an incredibly horrible time.
This is one of your all-time best interviews- thank you Ramit, Jenee and Dan!! So good! My sincere thanks to all of you.
Jenee and Dan - thank you for your vulnerability on the show. And most of all thank you for your sacrifices not only in Covid but by dedicating your lives to nursing. You absolutely earned the money you made and I wish you both nothing but the best. Jenee - I really hope you find peace after the horrors you experienced. I’m so sorry for what ignorant people did to you during the pandemic. You ARE a hero. You both are. And Dan - I hope you get your dream car soon :)
That was amazing. Thank you to all three of you for all your work over the years as well as for teaching me with this episode!
Feel nothing but PRIDE and GRATITUDE for what y’all did! Every successful person has haters. Ignore them or use them as fuel.
most heartwarming video yet. thank you Jenee and Dan for choosing to be here.
Thank you so much for this episode with nurses-they are an amazing couple and they did an awesome job helping others during this cluster *&#@. I love nursing but HATE healthcare. Wishing Dan and Jenee only the BEST! Thank you Ramit Sethi!
What a phenomenal episode, Ramit. Thank you for sharing this experience with us.
Holding the hands of those while they pass away….. there isn’t much that is more important than that.
Thank you for your work. You deserve the money! Thank you for putting yourself at risk to take care of our loved ones.
I had CPTSD after some tough stuff in life and struggle with long covid symptoms. I’m so glad you are both healthy. EMDR made a huge difference for me. But, do what works for you. I’m grateful we now have some effective strategies for it.
$150k is too much to spend on a car unless you are a multimillionaire. Even then after you have become a multimillionaire you will likely realize why it is not a good idea to spend that much on a car. I'm a critical care nurse and worked through the pandemic. Thank you for all the help you provided for others during that time period especially. It is haunting the memories we all have of all the lives lost... My heart goes out to you. You deserve all the travel bonuses and extra pay you earned.
you deserved your money!!! i wish all healthcare nurses deserve more!!!
Beautiful couple, wonderful conversation. I hope they are on their way to a very happy, rich life. 💕
Oh my gosh I love your podcast Ramit but this episode I balled my eyes out listening to Jenee tell us of her pandemic experience. I am so so sorry you went through that Jenee both being around all that loss which must have been so hard on so many levels to the outside insanity you had to deal with. You are a hero for the work you did then in such difficult circumstances but also in general nurses and doctors save lives everyday and deal with loss too being able to get up and do your job everyday knowing there will be those losses that you just can’t do anything about and trying anyway makes you an amazing human you both totally deserve the income you earned I just wish you hadn’t had to go through so much unnecessary trauma on top of the pandemic trauma itself to get there. ❤❤❤❤ thank you Ramit for letting Jenee shine a light on what it was truly like to be a nurse through that time ❤❤❤❤
I think you both deserve all that you have earned and so much more! It was terrible to hear how you were treated. I thank you both for your service and sacrifice in a time the world needed it so badly. You really are heros and I hope you have a future free and abundant
This is the best one I've seen, and they're all good. So moving! So complete. Thank you all Ramit, Jenee, and Dan for this profound and feel-great moment. Here's to your rich life!
thank you Jenee and Dan, and all healthcare workers...I am sorry about how horrible the American Healthcare system is. We can't forget what happened during the pandemic...ever...
The concept of a teammate versus a liability seems to be a fine line for some.
Jenee & Dan you'll are amazing. Both risked your lives during the pandemic & continue to do so.
Having said this, i would like to add, but I don't want to hurt you Jenee. I respect you a lot.
1. Jenee try to stop mentioning that you helped Dan pay off his IRS. Its in the past & it hurts him a lot
2. He contributed to the house & also is contributing to the holidays you like to have, so try & be considerate towards his dream car.
Life is short, let him be happy too.
Bless You two & I Pray Dan can get his dream car & You two enjoy long drives & create beautiful memories in that car.
This has been my favorite show of yours so far. It was heart touching and precious.
I'm watching this and while I understand why you, Ramit, are confused about how they think about money on a weekly basis. But I also am a contract nurse and I understand why they speak in this way. You only know for sure how much you're going to make for the length of your contract for which you are paid weekly. You literally don't know how much you're going to make on your next contract. You hope that you're going to make a certain amount but you never know. Plus, there's always a possibility of your contract being canceled at anytime. You have to be comfortable with the unknown and what you know for sure is how much you make weekly if that makes sense.
I appreciate what you do so much Ramit. I'm halfway thru your book and I'm working on being more conscience about my spending. It's quite literally changed my life ❤
I really like this channel. Great content with fantastic deep dive into psychological aspect of it!
I just discovered your show and this episode is especially interesting to me because I'm a RN, but haven't done traveling. I understand why Janee and Dan talked about their "weekly income." Traveling nursing contracts are normally in a 13-week contract. You'll get a based hourly rate that is taxed, but then you'll also get a different hourly $ amount that is not taxed. The taxed and non-taxed amounts are what you'll be paid for for the duration of your contract. Travel nuring is very lucrative compared to just taking a position at a hospital somewhere. By the way, travel nurses don't work all 52 weeks of the year. In my hospital, travel nurses can do up to 3 contracts (3 × 13 weeks = 39 weeks) without triggering the rules from our hospital nurses' union. So they mostly would seek out their next contract elsewhere. They'll usually take a few weeks off between contracts. It won't surprise me if they work < 45 weeks /year.
My first question is, does she get $150k to spend on anything fun for her? And if she invests it, or buys an assets like a house, he benefits, vs. A car, she does not benefit. (Hes not likely to sell at a profit) Its not a mutually beneficial relationship.... hes getting bailed out financially.... even if it was emotions driving him... shes fixing things. She's rescuing him, them. Lifeboat.
Been married 25 years and I can tell you, there are long periods of time where each person benefits from decisions and the other doesn’t. She isn’t bailing him out, they are either a team or not. She is more fiscally responsible but she is also controlling - no matter how sweetly she packages it.
I greatly appreciate this episode, thank you for sharing your story. And I want to extend my gratitude to Jenne and Dan for their dedication during the pandemic, your efforts are truly invaluable
Ramit, I was not ready to ugly cry during this couple’s ‘rona story while cooking dinner!!
My heart goes out to all the nurses who are doing their duty. A shame on all the horrible people who were brainwashed through media or social media and became hateful against common knowns that our medical workforce keeps us safe, that masks have been a thing for DECADES, and vaccines save lives. Kudos for this amazing and intellgent couple.
A nurse friend tried to talk me into travel nursing. I'm so glad I declined. Experience taught me this would not end well for those on the front line.
We are no longer friends because my friend of 30 years became someone I didn't recognized. Suddenly everyone who earned less than her is not worthy and the lack of empathy towards others was too much. I had to end our 30 year friendship. She was a Covid nurse. It hardens people.
Please convey my thanks to both of them.
Absolutely loved this episode. Rooting for this couple!
Wonderful conversation! You covered so much about living life!
I learnt so much from this discussion, both money Psychology and the experience during COVID. The actual heart of this is soooo much deeper than the question of whether to buy a fancy car. These two people seem so real and lovely, thank you for sharing. If I'm ever ill in the USA, I hope I'm lucky enough to have one of you as my nurse.
The Audi R8 is not the item to buy if your income is decreasing... Even used.
Omg my heart breaks for this woman and what she went through during covid
This episode is really nice. It's very... Healing...
Great episode. I love when Ramit helps uncover the past/childhood/family upbringing that influences how we view or treat money. It is so enlightening to see the dots connected from a third party just listening. Hope to get advice from Ramit one day!
Janee and Dan, you're such a sweetheart ❤
so sorry you had to go through this horrible things, especially you Janee 😪
wishing you both all the best 🙏
I think it would be nice to discuss the cost of owning a 150K car and how often the car is getting used. I remember seeing an MSN Make It episode on a black couple who were also traveling nurses, and the guy owed multiple cars while rarely drove them. Why not test the water first by renting the 150k car for a day or so and see how it feels? Very often the novelty and pride of ownership of a luxury vehicle wears off after a month or two. And the fact that both are traveling nurses and rarely get to use the car is also a concern.
Some additional context: my family bought a really nice Royce Rolls from an auction many years ago but sold it after a year because either we were afraid of driving it and wrecking it, or we were afraid people knew we owned such an expensive car and would steal it. We spent over 6K thirty years ago just to maintain it for a year. So the car was just mostly collecting dust in the garage, and it really didn’t serve any good at the end.
Amazing podcast. Loved it. I think you really helped them.💕
150k is a house, that's grounds for divorce in my opinion. If you are not making 450 grand a year that's not an option. Those cars aren’t in for the mileage, after a hundred thousand miles your dashboard will be lit up like a Christmas tree😢
I am also on the side of the wife as well, spending 150k on car is not a wise financial decision. Super cars are depreciating assets with high insurance and very expensive maintenance.
Buying a car is dumb in itself for that price. How about lease it for a year and get it out of your system. Spend maybe 10k to have your dream car for a year. Then be practical. I am totally on the woman's side as well. We all have dreams as a kid, you grow out of them.
Yeah thats a very dumb idea
Janee’s description of being a healthcare worker during Covid was so devastatingly sad.
All the people saying that those workers were/are heroes will unfortunately never be enough to undo the harm and hatred from the deniers and conspiracy theorists. Not to mention the mental anguish of dealing with patients, and their friends and family even if they supported the healthcare workers. That must have been awful as well.
I wish them the best. ❤
Thank you for what you've done!
What an empowering couple. This is what marriage is supposed to look like. Building up of character traits. Both Dan and Jenee see each other as their best selves and bada$$e$.
Jenee - You deserve 77x in love for the amount of hate and disgust you received. You have tremendous value and worth with your big heart for caring for people and refining that care into the skill of nursing.
Dan - For the ways in which you have busted your tail you deserve MULTIPLE Audi R8’s. You are a provider with a kind and protective heart. You are a rock for Jenee. Thank you for being a quality man where good men are hard to come by. Tip of the cap to you, Fine Sir.
May God bless these two for their sacrifices ❤❤
My mom and two sisters are RNs in New York, the stress during covid was crazy on them.
I personally would be living in the house that’s paid for & working on staff instead of paying $5k for rent. The income will drop but so will the fixed costs. Definitely invest more. Thank you both for all of your hard & sacrifice.
She told no lies about what it was like for us nurses…
I'm just watching this couple now - while filling out our Quicken(!) just wow. I'm glad she revealed the 'real life' of healthcare workers! I'm a counselor - through the last 30+ years- between political news and the pandemic - now I'm working with the grieving left behind - including my own father. People have forgotten how horrific it really was. But others will never forget. This video will help clarify the tragedy. They deserve the Awesome Audi!!
Ramit is a rockstar of the financial /Relationship world , others have pointed the way be the financial gurus/to fire cultists, but I believe he is the evolution 👍 .
If it helps one person IAM in favour of it , we'll done👍
Thank you, and thanks for watching the podcast!
We all need to save some, spend some. Perhaps Dan can set up a separate savings account for that car.
Agreed. Folks in the comments are harsh. If he can save, he should he able to buy whatever he wants as long as it doesn’t jeopardize the household finances.
150k for a goddamn car. Jesus christ.
What an amazing episode ♥️
They were fantastic to talk to. Thanks for watching
I’m a nurse too and my income fluctuates so much depending on mileage and other variables so I struggle with giving some of those numbers too. And then when your entire career has been like that, it’s tough to get comfortable giving accurate numbers.
Loved this episode!
I love your show and insight about money. Thank you