Do the Gospels Contain Eyewitness Testimony? | The Historical Tell | Episode 1
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- In this 5-part documentary, we explore one of the most contested claims in the Bible, namely, that Luke used eyewitness testimony in crafting his Gospel. Join us as we explore ground-breaking research that might just prove that Luke was telling the truth.
In episode 1, we provide an overview of the case for eyewitness testimony in the Gospels and, in doing so, touch on the question of whether the Gospels were written anonymously.
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As a lawyer, many lawsuits can be filed by anonymous Jane Does (See Roe v Wade) and also against anonymous people (see the famous Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents).
Even if the gospels were anonymous, which they aren't, it doesn't remove the facts expounded within
I just finished reading The Historical Tell and it was excellent! Looking forward to this series. Luuk is an excellent scholar who takes the reportage model seriously.
Love you Erik!!!
@@veganhigler6541 That's why he's mentioned everywhere in the sources, mhm
@@veganhigler6541 How cringe are you? To claim Jesus never existed forces you to throw away all history before the photograph
@@veganhigler6541 Tell me the historian that met the people writing the American Declaration of Indepednedce. In my books you're still under the crown. You can't prove it to me, I wasn't there.
@@veganhigler6541Reply to the argument. Attacking the “unknown cowman” moniker is an example of an ad hominem. Do better.
Your best edited video yet Cameron! You did an amazing job. And you argued persuasively. Very engaging. Keep up the good work. I’m excited for the next video!
Seeing videos like this strengthens my faith
Video hasn't even premièred yet. This guy, unlike Muhammad, must truly be a prophet!
LOL This account name is gold.
@@TrivialCoincidence Probably don't attack the faith of others.
MO51 you're everywhere!!!
Blessings
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Blessings
Loved the production, the music building up the narration, the snippets of what's to come. I'm excited to hear more.
"Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia."
- St. Irenaeus (2nd Century), Against Heresies
...because 2nd century, Irenaeus just doesn't count...he's far to near the actual events for postmodern skeptics to ever take seriously... {read sarcasm}
Bingo
He was born 100 years after the events. That doesn't put him any closer to the action than you are to the events of world War 1. Did you ever talk to anyone who fought in that war?🤡
The gospels are internally anonymous. But that doesn't mean they circulated anonymously among different communities. Plus, writings being anonymously internally was quite common in the ancient world.
Mark stopped writing at verse 8 (“And [the women] went out and fled from the tomb; for trembling and astonishment had come upon them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid”)
So if they never told anyone how did Mark find out?
This was so good I simply did not want it to end. Thank you Cameron for such a high quality piece of content. Immediately watching it again.
This is so awesome Cameron!! Keep up with this great production. Blessings from Argentina and GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD!
There has to be an element of doubt or it wouldn’t be about faith, it would be about fact. As historian Paul Maier proclaimed in an excellent lecture on Veritas Forum, “the evidence is strong enough for me to be 80-85% sure, depending on the day, and the rest is faith.” I’ve been studying this issue for the last 23 years after coming back to faith and the evidence is good, really good and that combined with a history of miracles, tells me beyond the shadow of any doubt, Jesus Christ is the Messiah and eternity awaits all who follow Him. Amen
That’s not how the New Testament writers used the word “faith”…
"There has to be an element of doubt or it wouldn’t be about faith, it would be about fact."
'Faith' is not an antonym of 'fact.'
@@ConsideringPhlebas faith is confidence but there has to be an element of uncertainty. You disagree?
@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou explain to me how you see the word faith being used. You can’t just make statements like that without qualifying what you’re saying.
Fails the logical reasoning test. its supposed to be revelation not concealment.
In matters of faith, there is no room for doubt. I don't want to base my salvation on doubt. In matters of jurisprudence such as (is eating pork ham legal or illlegal?), yes there is room for doubt.
Dr Brant Pitre wrote a very good book - providing a lot of convincing evidence showing that the Gospels were NOT anonymous. The book he wrote on the topic is “the case for Jesus”
We almost had him as a contributor on this project!
Pitre destroyed Ehrman. @@CapturingChristianity
A good book
Carsten Peter Theide was a great writer on this. The original scrolls were not anonymous, they had a glued-on title-tag called a 'sittybos' (aka, 'sillybos), which hung off the scroll so it could be identified on the shelf in the library. The tags did not survive the passage of time.
Ehrman is an unbeliever.
I cannot wait for the rest of this series!!
Amazing work, can't wait for the remaining of the series!
What an absolute masterpiece this was!
I agree, very profesional.
Well done Cam, excellent production, looking forward to the remainder of the series
Wonderful that you have made this. The interviews and such make it all the more compelling to watch. Thank you for the work you put in. Really appreciate it.
Really interesting stuff Cameron! Looking forward to more of this series.
Great video, really looking forward to the rest of the series. Yourself and IP are my go to guys.
Amazing content and production, can’t wait for the rest! God bless.
As a Christian who regularly keeps knowledge on this info and uses it to help those intellectually at odds, thank you. The defense of what we hold dear strengthens us.
Of course it does, because you follow your fake, fictional god AT ALL COST! So what if blatant evidence against the bible exists, that wouldn't change a lot of christian's minds! christians follow their fable god because of EMOTIONAL attachment! Not because demonstrably objective evidence justifies the notion that the universe revolves around some jew who lived 2000 years ago. Its silly, wrong, and unscientific.
And blinds you at the same time.
@@sspbrazil Blinds me to what, what could you possibly offer me that is better than what Christ does?
@@orandegellogaming4793 so for you, it's not what's true. It what makes YOU feel best.
@@pavld335 Not only offer in magnitude of glory that yes, gives me joy, but in demonstration of power. Evidence, historically testable events, documents, and prophecy. We can go through some if you’d like
Such a crafty play of words, a book authored by someone and book a attributed to someone are not the same thing - the sleight of hand was really smooth though. Lmao
Dang dude congrats on such an amazingly well done video. Hoping it gets lots of success!
Thank you for this, Cameron! Really looking forward to watching this.
“I have been reading poems, romances, vision literature, legends, and myths all my life. I know what they are like. I know none of them are like this. Of this [gospel] text there are only two possible views. Either this is reportage…or else, some unknown [ancient] writer…without known predecessors or successors, suddenly anticipated the whole technique of modern novelistic realistic narrative.”
- C.S. Lewis on reading the gospels
Really excited for this series! Thank you so much for getting all these scholars together, it's a lot easier to watch these clips than to read each of their books. This will help a lot of Christians strengthen their faith!
the Ancient Chinese recorded jesus christ...Christianity is a slam dunk
High quality content as always, Cameron. Thanks for your great work. i'm pumped to watch the rest of the episodes.
Just one question, what is the name of the music you used in the background? It's really beautiful!
In 1970 no one needed to call The White Album “The Beatles White Album”. It needed no attribution. Today, 50 years later, as living memory dies away, it becomes more important to add the attribution.
It worked exactly the same for the gospels. When first written and passed among the churches they needed no attribution. Everyone knew.
This was impressive, Cameron! I'm happy to see it is getting so many views. I've resubscribed to your channel. I can't follow all the heavy philosophical arguments due to brain fog, but this series is very accessible. Thanks!
I like this format Cameron. Keep it up.
I’m looking forward to the following installments in this series!!
This video was great man! Really like the music in the background! Hope you do this in more videos. Great job man. One of my favorite
Fantastic video! Very well edited. Excellent audio
As someone who is pretty agnostic on the question of biblical authorship, I was surprised to find on Wikipedia that "The interpretation of the "we" passages as indicative that the writer was a historical eyewitness (whether Luke the evangelist or not), remains the most influential in current biblical studies."
Paulogia did a video with Kamil Gregor on “Why Gospel Authorship Cannot Be Correct.” Would you ever do a roundtable discussion with someone like him (or other critical scholars) and conservative scholars?
I think he ended up addressing them in the second video
@@adenjones1802 agree he addressed them, but a roundtable would allow dialogue and addressing specific points. Rarely do people actually address more than a few of the egregious parts of their opposition’s thinking. It shouldn’t be a surprise that people make mistakes, so long form discussions allow redressing errors and clarification of points. They also allow people to be educated and make better decisions.
@@hardwork8395 I don't disagree, I think a round table discussion would be cool.
Amazing Cameron, very well done! Keep it up
This is so good, Cameron!!! 🤩
I've only watched 1 minute so far and this is already so engaging. Excited to watch it.
Thank you for this content. It really helps to build confidence in our Christian beliefs. At times as a Christian I am not always confident in explaining the historical solid evidence of the Bible. Videos like this will help in signposting skeptics to the Truth. Thank you... Keep up the excellent work... 😊👍🏾🙏🏾
There is no evidence. Any evidence presented gives the illusion of being evidence. You cannot prove the supernatural. You certainly can't prove a supposed supernatural event that supposedly occured two thousand years ago. History is built on probabilities. So is it more likely Mr. Odinson came down, loved the little children and kicked death in the tushi? Or is it more likely we and or the authors got something wrong. Ressurections happen alot less then people being wrong. Alot less
There isn't much solid historical evidence for numerous Biblical events or Jesus divinity and miracles. I'm glad that knowing there are some historical details in it helps strengthen your faith but it is still primarily a faith based on unverifiable claims.
@@razorbeard6970 Completely right. After all, New York doesn't prove spiderman. Even Jesus existence is debatable. Was there a preacher named Jesus? Sure. Was there a preacher apocalypticist who was crucified? Sure. But we can't pin any of these down on a specific Yeshua Ben Yosef.
@@razorbeard6970 "Isn't much." That is different than saying there isn't any at all. LOL. How much is enough anyway? Who says what is enough?
@@dionsanchez2775 I was being charitable. There is no evidence of the actual miraculous supernatural occurrences happening. There is evidence that a preacher named Jesus existed and was likely executed. That's a usual thing. Miracles and supernatural activity are not literal realities that occur historically and presently so no evidence is possible that would be credible.
This is awesome! I love the documentary style!
Cameron, the production values coming through here... Next level!
Loved the video. Waiting for the next one.
Incredible editing great video Cameron
Brilliantly done Cameron! Excellent video
Was a great rendition. Thanks, really appreciate all the different interpretations and perspective on the subject.
This is absolutely outstanding. Subscribed. Thanks so much for sharing!
Excellent series Cameron, great job!
David Pallman can’t wait for this!
Is david the guest?????
Fantastic! Thank you for this series!
Dang, the production quality on this video was fantastic!
Very good! Excellent video! Answers so many questions and mild doubts one comes upon about the NT text
I have no hesitation in believing what the Church tells us about the authorship of Scripture. Having said that, even if the authorship of the Gospels can be contested…it does not change the essential truths of our beautiful faith that we derive from Scripture and pray in our various Creeds. By God’s grace, this in and of itself is an act of faith.
Exactly. What's the real issue? Who write it or is it true what it says about the human condition?
It shouldn’t matter to Christians, it matters to historians.
@@LomuHabana we certainly should support academic engagement with our faith. Unfortunately, academia often engages matters of faith with a hermeneutic of suspicion. I happen to think academic scholarship can enhance our faith. But we must be vigilant about potential biases on either side of the spectrum. The fact remains that faith is faith because, more often than not, it is not something that is immediately discernible in the natural world. And that’s OK. Sometimes God offers his faithful some miraculous consolations in the natural world, while other times God communicates with us simply via the signs of the natural world.
@@basilel-salviti6910 I fully agree with you in principle, but should emphasise, you say it yourself faith “is not something immediately discernible in the natural world.”
But science, even history as a science, deals with the natural world since the supernatural/metaphysical world is not something there is clear (replicable) evidence for. Of course historians reject supernatural claims, they operate within a naturalistic framework where they have to work with things like likelihood/probability.
@@LomuHabanaand the historical claims all say Jesus is who the gospels said he was
Thank you sir! You did a great job!
We also have the witness for Luke's gospel from Luke himself when said as much at the beginning of the book of Acts 1:1,
" The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach"
The former treatise he wrote of all Jesus did and taught was the gospel of Luke.
Love this and love the direction
excellent production. the soundtrack is really nice.
Love the content :) of course its sacrifice making high quality content but the passion resound in this video
Think about this, the anonymous but attributed authors of the Gospels depended on eye witness accounts, who themselves are also anonymous and unknown... but that's evidence...
Awesome job!
Love this style of video Cameron. Wow the Holy Spirit is doing work in you. God bless!
I never see people mention this but the earliest copy of Josephus is 11th century
Another thing to note is . If luke says he uses eye witnesses . And we know he is useing Mathew and mark . Then luke considered mathew and mark to have eye witniesses behind their sources. Another thing to note is .in acts john mark travelled with paul. Luke records that the author mark travelles with paul and luke also travelled with paul . Which means it is highly likely mark and Luke have met eachother and talked
Given what the gospels say about these events are true.
Love it! Thank you
This is dope!
The Gospels are the benchmark of the Christian faith and contain all of the information we have about Jesus. He is the source of our salvation from eternal damnation. His message was so important that it was left to authors well educated in greek to interview people that heard Jesus preach and rely on their recollection of him decades after his crucifixion and write these stories in a language he or they didn’t speak only to have bits and pieces of copies of those manuscripts preserved, not even the originals. The Bible should be held at a higher standard than ancient literature that is of NO consequence to our salvation. Why didn’t Jesus write his own Gospel if his teachings were so important?! He was God, He couldn’t jot some notes down for us and use his “spiritual protection” to preserve it for us? How can you think he actively interferes on our behalf and guides our lives when we base all of those suppositions on Gospels that have such scant evidence of supernatural legitimacy. Rethink all of it, folks and keep the standards for supernatural stories high. There should be no need for apologetics, their opinions are frivolous.
Brilliant stuff🔥🔥
Great editing and visual production on this video!
But curious as to why there is an icon of St. Nektarios at 6:54?
Thanks. Looks very interesting!
The apostle Matthew had first hand information about Jesus. As a tax collector, he was very experienced keeping records in Greek. I can't believe he was not the primary source for the synoptic gospels, and that he would not be inclined to journal the teaching pericopys as they were delivered. I can't believe that he was reminiscing about what was said and done in the distant past.
Well done.
I don't understand how saying that you were speaking to eyewitnesses strengthens the reliability of whatever subject matter you are writing
Great work cameron!
God bless your ministry and work
🙂 *Thank God that this proves even more that the Early Church didn't relied on the SCRIPTURES to tell the world of the Gospel Truth. It was COMPLETELY by the workings of the HOLY SPIRIT* ☝🏽. Our faith must be IN God alone, and the essential gospel messages revealed by the Holy Spirit. Who cares if some textual errors were in the earky manuscripts. God's way of proclaiming His Truth to mankind, was based chiefly by word of mouth, orally passed down through the visible Church! The scriptures play little role in the conversion of souls. People from early Church times relied chiefly on visions, dreams, personal unique convictions by the Holy Spirit. Never forget that, dear Christian.
🙏🏽♥️Regards :)
5:17 "this is misleading because we have a consistent manuscript attribution."
This is not accurate. In the text, referring to the gospel text itself, does not claim authorship. "According to" is not part of the text. Not once in the text of the gospel of mark is Mark mentioned. That clearly and very finally renders his statement false.
Do you have a source on the "thousands of early manuscripts" within a few decades of their being written?
It's in a secret vault in the Vatican that he is privy to because he know the divine hand shake.
Of course we all do
Thank you for the work and effort you put in to this. I am at the 7th minute and I think this will be helpful for many. One minor thing though is that the icon for Papias is of St Nektarios Aegina (1846 -1920).
I'd like to see you debate another UA-camr channel Holy Koolaid on discrepancies in the Bible. I feel this stuff is important. May the Lord bless you for your efforts.
As a former Christain while deconstructing I had no good answer to apologetic narratives. Today, I better understand legend building and we witness legend building today. For example millions believe the election was stolen and took great risks. This building occurred over a few short years.
The legend building around that election is the narrative that it was fair! 😂
I thought my faith couldn’t become stronger. Until I saw this. Thank you.
I must say that this is so important and so good that this is brought up when you have to meet many with skeptical ears about Credibility in the teaching of the truth of the Bible. I myself ended up in something called Bible agnosticism. I have been a believer for 7 years and experienced something that changed my heart, but when the credibility of the origin of the Bible came, it took time to stand up and trust that what I read is true. Keep up the good work. God bless your work.
Is there any good websites for this topic?
man from heaven died...pardon is proclaimed to all under heaven
ancient chinese gospel of Jesus christ
@veganhigler6541he did though 👀whats this book about
When is the next video in this series?
Very good BTW!
Soon!
Looks promising. Hope counter arguments will be presented from credible sceptics.
Great teaching, thank you very much for sharing. May God Bless you, your loved ones, and everyone who hears this message. The Spirit and the Bride say, Come Lord Jesus...
@veganhigler6541 You may want to re-think that, my friend, because that means that no one is coming to save you either...
@veganhigler6541 Maranatha!
I like what Cam is cooking!
What are the names of the eyewitnesses? How long after the events where there accountants recorded?
Does anyone happen to know the least reliable type of evidence in a court of law?
Enjoying the series! Appreciate the time it must take to put these together
Ehrman has a substantive and free course about the authorship of the Gospels, and the reasons to doubt the traditional authors. I’d encourage the naysayers in this comment section to hear his case, rewatch this video and determine if Cameron adequately addressed his arguments.
Great!
Excellent
3:50 I swear I thought that was Neal deGrasse Tyson.
12:20 "the apostles would have been fact checking real time every spurious account ensuring the absolute integrity of the gospels."
Yes I took some liberties with that quotation, and I hope the point is taken. Because this is an absurd assertion to make. Are the apostles supposed to know every time someone puts their pen down and they just wrote a gospel account? And every time someone puts their pen down, they happened to be walking distance from the apostles? Or are we going to participate in reality in the first century where someone didn't internationally publish a work from their home computer? Where time in space were actual obstacles.
Yeah, it is even more absurd considering the contradictions between the different gospels. And that most apostles would have been dead or at least very very old (above the age of 80) when the Gospel of John was written.
So insincere to not talk directly to Ehrman and allow him defend his position.
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To be fair, if Luke was writing for someone named Theo, whom we can assume knew him, then he wouldn’t pretend to be an eyewitness.
Great video, looking firward to the rest. Sure they are anonymous, so long as we define "anonymous" as "the name is not clearly spelled out on the *Inside*" . But that certainly doesn't mean "author unknown", because if you receive a manuscript from someone you know which has been hand delivered by a mutual friend, with the author's name on the outside, and then you can write to the author and ask questions about it, then that isn't really "annonymous" in the "author unknown" sense. The sad thing is that these atheist apologists can mislead a lot of people who stop at merely reading their bible and don't go on to study further.
amazing
Cameron has love this sooooo great
Getting ready to watch video but as soon as I read the title I thought. “ you don’t need the gospels anyway, all you need are the seven books that Paul wrote , the majority of atheistic scholars accept Romans, first and second Corinthians 1st Thessalonians Galatians to Philippians and Philomon. Paul walked and talked with James , Peter and John.. we also have the book of Luke Acts one and two. the great historian Sir William Ramsey went to Asia, minor and investigated Luke’s writing, and said his writing deserve to be in a Hall of Fame for their accuracy and detail. I say, Glory the Father,Son and Holy
Very cool
God is good!
All the time!
Cameron…What manuscripts do we have which ‘we can put our hands on from within a few decades of the completion of the New Testament’ 4m15s Voddie B?
Yes, the gospels are filled with eyewitness accounts!
Nope!
Have you not _studied_ the Bible?
Wow…just wow…
@@canbest7668 Have you not?
@@midimusicforever clearly you haven’t. Otherwise, you wouldn’t make such an incorrect statement!
Why do Christians make so many mistakes about their own silly book? Oh I know why. They haven’t studied the darn thing!
The Gospels may have been hearsay, but that does not mean that they are not reliable as far as the core message is concerned.