I figured out how to save the settings for the individual voice you're talking about, so this can be done in the backup menu: 1. Select Backup > Backup Setting in the System menu. 2. Select On for the Voice option
Thank you for this review. I've just bought a CLP-875 as the 885 is to tall for where I'm putting it in my home. There aren't many reviews out yet with them being the new models. This was really helpful. Thanks again.
@@MonaroMel1 Hey, no problem. Glad the video was helpful. Yes, the 875 is essentially the same piano with a different look. I struggled too to find video reviews on the new models. Part of me wishes I’d kept my 585 now - I use Pianoteq a lot and they sound better imo to the onboard samples. Everyone has a preference though - how long have you been playing? Any particular style? :-)
@TheScottishDad Hi, well I started playing when I was 10, grade 4 at 12. Then my parents divorced and I stopped having lessons. Biggest mistake of my life. I then found a guy playing a piano piece on UA-cam that I've always loved which reignited my passion. I figured now's the time to start again. I bought a £210 "Glarry" piece of rubbish off amazon which is OK for kids, but I quickly realised it is terrible. I'm hoping the 875 is a huge step-up! I've now restart my lessons and I'm loving it. She plays on upright acoustic Yamaha, but wants a CLP885. I guess they're so similar now and with the bonus of not having to tune it and the ability to turn the volume down during evening lessons it's very attractive. Classical music is almost all I know (piano wise) however the pieces I'm working on currently are from Game of Thrones. I just love the piano and escapism it provides. I'm really looking forward to receiving my CLP. You're playing is fantastic. How long have you been playing and is Classical your genre?
@@TheScottishDad I also wanted to ask, do you regret the upgrade, seriously? Also where did you get it from? I used Rimmers, Edinburgh. It's saying 2 weeks for delivery but i'm hoping it'll be sooner.
@@MonaroMel1 sorry, just getting around to this comment, my phone didn’t notify me. To be honest, I think I do slightly. It was a lot of money for really not a lot of difference. It sounds and feels largely the same to my 10 year old 585. Kinda wishing I’d kept the money haha. Ah, I used them too! I stay over in Dunfermline. You close by then as well I’d imagine? There is a piano meetup group each month down near haymarket that’s quite a nice social if you’d be interested? Everyone gets together, some chat and you have the opportunity to play infront of the members if you want, everyone takes turns and no pressure. Really good vibe.
@@MonaroMel1 aw thank you, and glad you’re back into it! I’ve been playing since I was a little kid, around 10 or so. I’m 36 now and still at it but sometimes I drop it for a few months (or years) :-). I like Chopin and Beethoven, mostly classical / romantic era. I teach too! I’d love to hear some of what you’re learning.
For your information, I also have a bad sound resolution of the Bosendorfor around the key you've pointed in your video. Mine is on a black key. And it is worse if you use headphones. So definitely the sample. I use a CLP 785 and I believe they have the same sample.
Great review! I'm considering upgrading to the CLP-875, which is quite an improvement over my CLP-970. I was at the store recently to try it out, and while the action was okay, I struggled a bit with the repeating notes in Beethoven's Op. 7 (the left-hand section at the beginning). The Bösendorfer sound in your video actually seems better than they it feels when playing in person-it felt very flat and compressed to me. Also, I'm not a fan of the touch display. On my older Clavinova, the kids love switching and combining sounds quickly using the buttons but that’s way more difficult with the new control unit. It’s a shame you can’t keep separate settings for the Bösendorfer and CFX either!
@@german.direct I find myself using Pianoteq 90% of the time now and bypassing the built-in sounds of the CLP885. The sound from Pianoteq are far superior in terms of realism.
I ended up buying a Kawai Concert Artist series piano last year but still enjoy watching reviews on Yamaha's equivalent as think I would have been just as happy with this model. I do like the buttons on mine though as, like you, not a huge fan of touch screens
Great review, thank you! Please tell us how you connect Pianotech to get its sound from Yamaha speakers? And how to remove the Yamaha’s own sound so that it doesn’t sound at the same time as the PianoTech?
There is a setting in the Yamaha called Local Control. You can set this to On (or Off) I can’t remember which but this will turn off the sound within the piano. In terms of connecting to Pianoteq, it’s just the cable from the piano to tour computer. It’s the cable that is the printer cable shape (the square shaped one) from the piano. You don’t need other cables. In terms of the Pianoteq sound - you can go to options and then make sure the sound is coming from Clavinova. It should automatically detect it. You want to set your buffer size to 256 or lower as this will reduce the delay.
Another tip on the sound part is that you can chose a piano sample you don’t use (upright piano). Then set the Voice Edit volume to 0. This means you don’t need to mess about with Local Control setting each time, you can simply switch to Upright Piano (or whatever one you set volume to 0 on) and then no sound will come out for that piano on the Yamaha but it will for Pianoteq.
I agree you might be overthinking this. Most important is to find a digital that you like to play a lot. When you migrate to an acoustic, you will always need some adjustments and these will be much easier if you played a lot.
I just saw your comment below regarding the 875 does it sound the same? Does it sound as good the 885? it's a big price difference in the US the 885 is $6399 while the 875 is $4999
The 875 is also nice, I recently tried both in a store for me the 885 is a little bit better with the sound and the touch is different but said being said the 875 is also a great device, you should try them both, if you have the opportunity you can find a detailed overview of the different models on yamahas website if you look up the specifications of clp 800 series
Thanks for your video. CFX is a better sound in my opinion, not sure all the marketing crap around bosendorfer and the gimmicks, I'll just get the clp825 instead, I think the upgrade from my clp320 from 2008 to clp825 this 2024 will be worth it.
I've been reading the comments on this video and many of your replies, and I've come to the conclusion that you're an experienced pianist who has played many different pianos. So, I assume you bought this digital piano, which is one of the most expensive, not just because "it's the most expensive, so it must be the best." I'd like to know why you chose this piano instead of, for example, the CLP-745 or the CLP-875, which are cheaper options and, in theory, should have been a good replacement for your 585. I hope you can answer me because I don't have a piano store nearby and would like the opinion of someone knowledgeable about the topic. This piano would cost me twice as much as the 745, and I'm not sure if it would be worth it. I'd only invest that amount of money if the differences were truly significant. (google translated, sorry if there are any mistakes)
I’m fortunate enough that I can spend the money to get the best instruments, as others may be too - part of it was knowing the 885 was the flagship and that the Piano Room, soundboard and key lengths were improved in this model and that they way it looked too (like a nice piece of furniture). I’ve always had the flagship models so generally stick with Yamahas best offering. I have played some of the other models but to me the touch wasn’t as realistic and the speaker wasn’t as clear. The 885 for me had better sound generation and a better keyboard. I would say that the 785 would be a nice replacement if you can get one - I’m not sure on the exact differences tbh, just being upfront. I would say that if you can travel to try it then do so as what is appealing to me may not be for you. We may have different motivators for spending, as I say, for me it was knowing I had the best Yamaha had to offer in this range.
I listened carefully to your sample of bosendorfer and it sounds much louder and brighter than on my clp 885. Did you change the brightness or any other parameters or does it sound like that by default? My bosendorfer by default sounds very muffled and unnatural, sometimes it seems that this is some kind of malfunction. while cfx sounds good. If you changed the settings relative to bosendorfer, then I want to know from you what parameters you entered. thank you.
I can’t remember the parameters at the time. But I have brightness left as default and I have string resonance set to 8. Touch is medium and reverb concert hall.
@@TheScottishDad I had the volume limiter turned on at 80 percent, when I turned it off now, the Bösendorfer started playing much better, and most importantly - louder. I was a little happy. But as for me, it still remains insufficiently expressive and for some reason in your video it sounds much brighter, however, cfx also sounds much brighter than usual. Perhaps you edited the sound after recording?
I tried the CLP885 today and thought it was stunning, closing my eyes it felt like a concert grand. The CLP875 was also great, very responsive and solid feeling (and more in my price range, so I went with that). It's been a long time since I last tried a top-end Yamaha digital and they definitely have come on a long way. Thanks for the video.
@@tied515 it’s the inbuilt record functionality. I save the file to the piano then export to usb. There is a function where you can change midi to audio on the piano menu - then export.
I tend to agree - I was hoping for a little more in terms of tone generation and action improvement. It’s a new model though and should last me another 10 years or so. I play everyday and the action is a nice improvement, my 585 was getting tired as well and was in need of replacement. I’d like to have seen a better escapement mechanism. Perhaps with real action inside to produce the feel of actual hammers.
And my still working perfectly clp 170! I would be interested to compare the actions though. Compared with my acoustic piano, its action feels kind of dead
@buckachiddy hahaha, that's dramatic! I had all my keys replaced because Yamaha did a recall on their faulty keyboard....maybe my keys would have snapped too 😳
You said that some notes in Bosendorfer sound bad, yes, these are the notes that have an unpleasant sound on my instrument. In general, the Besendorfer sample sounds quiet, very dull and disgusting. I think that this was done intentionally to spoil the impression of Bosendorfer pianos, and to highlight the Yamaha piano, despite the fact that the Bosendorfer company belongs to Yamaha, but apparently the company has problems with marketing inside, which the owner does not even know about. There are also problems in the cfx voice, these are the notes B of the first octave, C, C sharp and D of the second octave, they sound sharp, due to the fact that the strings are not ideally tuned in the triad, Yamaha specialists did not notice when they took samples that the tuner did not tune the notes perfectly, also the note E of the second octave is too sensitive and sometimes plays very loudly if you press it harder, this is exactly the problem of the cfx sample, since other samples do not have such a problem. The reason for this is also an imperfectly adjusted mechanism of the piano keyboard from which the samples were taken or a violation of the technology of taking a sample from this note, although in the end the problem can be removed programmatically. But unfortunately all the good specialists ran away from Yamaha to Kawai. I also realized that the binaural samples sound just disgusting compared to my old clp 625, the impression is that they did not record them, but simply adapted them programmatically and, like all the other voices. This is another big deception of Yamaha. I will reveal to you another unpleasant secret - the stand for the notes is made of plastic. Sorry that I am looking for only flaws, but the piano costs crazy money, and I did not expect some disappointment from such a flagship instrument.
@@nik0wat it was the sample - it done it even if I recorded to USB and listened back with headphones. It’s a string resonance and part of the sample. Tbf, when I listen to other samples and ones in Pianoteq - the same resonance can be heard on some notes.
I have the CLP735, I found the Bosendorfer sample horrible, I wonder why so many people applaud it. The CFX is the only decent sample. But I regret having sold my Kawai with the Sk-Ex samples, much much better than Yamaha's CFX
I really wanted a Kawai but due to the stair setup in my house it wasn’t practical to get the one I wanted. The CLP dismantles enough to get it up the stairs. The Bosendorfer sample sounds ok on the 885 but I find myself using Pianoteq 90% of the time as those are hy far the most realistic sounds I’ve come across.
@@TheScottishDadOh, could you make a video showing the 885 with the Pianoteq? Please with microphone from your room and with audio out to see the difference.
@@TheScottishDadI’m guessing you were looking at the Kawai CA901? I was just quoted $4,699 for a brand new Kawai CA901 or a Yamaha CLP885. I own a brand new Kawai GL40 grand I just got but it’s is too powerful for my apartment so I’m about to pull the trigger on either the CA901 or the CLP885. Still undecided
My 585 was getting old (over 10 years) and I wanted a new model to replace it. I’m not over the moon with it, but it is a nice upgrade and will last a long time and my son can use this too when he’s older. I got a good trade in price for my old piano so the timing was right. It’s an improvement, but not as much as I was hoping for.
i got my new 885 today and compared to my old 625 the keyboard is quite noisy. didn't expect that from such an expensive instrument. a bit disappointed. judging by your video it is as noisy as yours. was the keyboard on your old piano as noisy?
@@anmalder I find them all noisy. Tbh it wasn’t something I noticed or that struck me too much. It is a little noisier than my 585 but not much. I tend to keep the volume slider at least half way and when I’m focused on playing I don’t notice. Although, now you’ve mentioned it, it’s all I’ll hear now 😆
I went in to buy a CLP 875 or 885 and came away with an 845. Biggest issue was not price (although I saved a bit) but touch. The Grand Touch S just felt softer and more pleasant than the GT. Very personal but wonder if anyone else feels this.
@@CvS2016 I felt the same. The salesman said it could just be that the 845 is "easier" to play while the 885 is more difficult to handle, like an acoustic. I'm a beginner, so I couldn't dispute. The downweight of the key felt good, but the upweight was too big, unlike an acoustic. That's my perception. The 845 is lighter overall, the downweight is probably too light compared to an acoustic, but the upweigth felt good. Anyway, are you happy with it?
Yes I am very happy with the 845. The key action is just a small amount lighter than the grand touch and still wooden keys. I have played a bunch of acoustics and all have very different actions, so hard to compare but certainly in the same domain. One issue is that there are relatively few non keyboard instruments to fool around with. My old CSP 170 had many more voices like flamingo guitar and many others. Not sure why they would change this?
@@CvS2016 Interesting. I could probably get used to the 885, but I am leaning toward the 845. My only hesitation is that maybe the 885 would prepare me better to transition to a variety of acoustics, including heavier uprights (I am probably overthinking this). Yeah, not sure about the sounds, probably a way to artificially differentiate the CLP and CSP lines 😏
Hi there … thanks for the video. I believe I have a problem with my 885 and I wonder if you ( or any other owners ) could check something for me? The backboard of the piano is part of the sound system … it resonates in addition to the speaker system. When I play a Bflat3 it resonates with gusto and blooms, drowning out the sound of the sampled note. Same issue with B3 and C3. By Dflat3 and D3 the resonance of the backboard is back to normal. I can actually feel the additional vibration quite clearly with my hand on the backboard. It’s the same issue to differing degrees with the other pianos. The issue disappears completely when using headphones. So my question is … has anyone else noticed the same problem? Many thanks in advance to anyone who replies!
@@nytram1309 hi , I tried on my piano and can’t recreate what you describe. I too can feel the vibration on the keys but that’s part of the design. I’d maybe take the back panel off (held with Velcro) and check nothing is loose but my piano is fine.
Thanks very much for trying … I appreciate it. I can feel the over enthusiastic vibration by placing my hand on the back of the piano. And it’s particularly bad when using the Ballad Grand voice. I’m in touch with Yamaha and we’ll see what happens. In another comment you mention Pianoteq … do you get that playing through the 885 sound system or some other way?
@nytram1309 I get the Pianoteq playing through the 885 speakers and it’s great, much better piano samples than what the 885 comes with, the richness, clarity and tonal depth is impressive. Much more like a ‘real piano’. I have my 885 connected to my MacBook via the TO HOST connection. One cable and that’s it.
Bösendorfer voice sounds less good than CFX, there are excessive OVERTONES in the low keys and it's not real, in summary it is an excellent piano, although the price is quite high for the value.
I personally agree that the price is a little high, but the value is quite good on this piano as it is probably the best or second-best digital piano in the market (some people prefer Kawai, but I don't like the action on a Kawai as much). I do think an 875 is quite similar and much cheaper (I tried both; the 885 definitely feels and sounds better, but I don't think it's worth it).
@@MrFlint51 Did he? My mistake. Sorry. Then again, he should have said synthetic EBONY because I can't see the point of making black ivory. But I'm just trying to get out of a problem I created here... :)
Thanks for the comment. In person, the sound is very realistic, I was impressed with it. The recorded version here doesn’t relate to the in person sound. I’d encourage you to try one in person and see how you feel then. I’d agree that it’s not perfect. But it’s a nice improvement. As I say, I tend not to use the built in sounds and instead use Pianoteq as this sounds better to my ears.
Hi, thanks for the feedback. I have tried various models over the years, including the Casio. The Casio was impressive, however; for me, there’s something about the feel from the Yamaha. The build quality and sound are more to my liking. It’s a brand I’ve stayed with for a long time and have been impressed with.
Yes, it’s quite pricey. I think most goods these days are inflated tbh. My last piano (CLP-585) lasted over 10 years, so for me, this new one should do me another 10. My son shows some curiosity for the piano too, so I wanted to get a new model for the house and hope he takes to it as well.
I figured out how to save the settings for the individual voice you're talking about, so this can be done in the backup menu: 1. Select Backup > Backup Setting in the System menu.
2. Select On for the Voice option
Thank you for this review. I've just bought a CLP-875 as the 885 is to tall for where I'm putting it in my home. There aren't many reviews out yet with them being the new models. This was really helpful. Thanks again.
@@MonaroMel1 Hey, no problem. Glad the video was helpful. Yes, the 875 is essentially the same piano with a different look.
I struggled too to find video reviews on the new models. Part of me wishes I’d kept my 585 now - I use Pianoteq a lot and they sound better imo to the onboard samples. Everyone has a preference though - how long have you been playing? Any particular style? :-)
@TheScottishDad
Hi, well I started playing when I was 10, grade 4 at 12. Then my parents divorced and I stopped having lessons. Biggest mistake of my life.
I then found a guy playing a piano piece on UA-cam that I've always loved which reignited my passion. I figured now's the time to start again. I bought a £210 "Glarry" piece of rubbish off amazon which is OK for kids, but I quickly realised it is terrible. I'm hoping the 875 is a huge step-up!
I've now restart my lessons and I'm loving it. She plays on upright acoustic Yamaha, but wants a CLP885. I guess they're so similar now and with the bonus of not having to tune it and the ability to turn the volume down during evening lessons it's very attractive.
Classical music is almost all I know (piano wise) however the pieces I'm working on currently are from Game of Thrones.
I just love the piano and escapism it provides.
I'm really looking forward to receiving my CLP.
You're playing is fantastic. How long have you been playing and is Classical your genre?
@@TheScottishDad I also wanted to ask, do you regret the upgrade, seriously? Also where did you get it from? I used Rimmers, Edinburgh. It's saying 2 weeks for delivery but i'm hoping it'll be sooner.
@@MonaroMel1 sorry, just getting around to this comment, my phone didn’t notify me.
To be honest, I think I do slightly. It was a lot of money for really not a lot of difference. It sounds and feels largely the same to my 10 year old 585. Kinda wishing I’d kept the money haha. Ah, I used them too! I stay over in Dunfermline. You close by then as well I’d imagine? There is a piano meetup group each month down near haymarket that’s quite a nice social if you’d be interested? Everyone gets together, some chat and you have the opportunity to play infront of the members if you want, everyone takes turns and no pressure. Really good vibe.
@@MonaroMel1 aw thank you, and glad you’re back into it! I’ve been playing since I was a little kid, around 10 or so. I’m 36 now and still at it but sometimes I drop it for a few months (or years) :-). I like Chopin and Beethoven, mostly classical / romantic era. I teach too! I’d love to hear some of what you’re learning.
For your information, I also have a bad sound resolution of the Bosendorfor around the key you've pointed in your video. Mine is on a black key. And it is worse if you use headphones. So definitely the sample. I use a CLP 785 and I believe they have the same sample.
Great review! I'm considering upgrading to the CLP-875, which is quite an improvement over my CLP-970. I was at the store recently to try it out, and while the action was okay, I struggled a bit with the repeating notes in Beethoven's Op. 7 (the left-hand section at the beginning). The Bösendorfer sound in your video actually seems better than they it feels when playing in person-it felt very flat and compressed to me. Also, I'm not a fan of the touch display. On my older Clavinova, the kids love switching and combining sounds quickly using the buttons but that’s way more difficult with the new control unit. It’s a shame you can’t keep separate settings for the Bösendorfer and CFX either!
@@german.direct I find myself using Pianoteq 90% of the time now and bypassing the built-in sounds of the CLP885. The sound from Pianoteq are far superior in terms of realism.
I ended up buying a Kawai Concert Artist series piano last year but still enjoy watching reviews on Yamaha's equivalent as think I would have been just as happy with this model. I do like the buttons on mine though as, like you, not a huge fan of touch screens
Great review, thank you! Please tell us how you connect Pianotech to get its sound from Yamaha speakers? And how to remove the Yamaha’s own sound so that it doesn’t sound at the same time as the PianoTech?
There is a setting in the Yamaha called Local Control. You can set this to On (or Off) I can’t remember which but this will turn off the sound within the piano.
In terms of connecting to Pianoteq, it’s just the cable from the piano to tour computer. It’s the cable that is the printer cable shape (the square shaped one) from the piano. You don’t need other cables.
In terms of the Pianoteq sound - you can go to options and then make sure the sound is coming from Clavinova. It should automatically detect it. You want to set your buffer size to 256 or lower as this will reduce the delay.
Another tip on the sound part is that you can chose a piano sample you don’t use (upright piano). Then set the Voice Edit volume to 0. This means you don’t need to mess about with Local Control setting each time, you can simply switch to Upright Piano (or whatever one you set volume to 0 on) and then no sound will come out for that piano on the Yamaha but it will for Pianoteq.
@@TheScottishDad Thank you very, very much!
Thanks for this review!
I agree you might be overthinking this. Most important is to find a digital that you like to play a lot. When you migrate to an acoustic, you will always need some adjustments and these will be much easier if you played a lot.
I just saw your comment below regarding the 875 does it sound the same? Does it sound as good the 885? it's a big price difference in the US the 885 is $6399 while the 875 is $4999
The 875 is also nice, I recently tried both in a store
for me the 885 is a little bit better with the sound and the touch is different
but said being said the 875 is also a great device, you should try them both, if you have the opportunity
you can find a detailed overview of the different models on yamahas website if you look up the specifications of clp 800 series
Thanks for your video. CFX is a better sound in my opinion, not sure all the marketing crap around bosendorfer and the gimmicks, I'll just get the clp825 instead, I think the upgrade from my clp320 from 2008 to clp825 this 2024 will be worth it.
Ya i bought 725 recently 😊
I've been reading the comments on this video and many of your replies, and I've come to the conclusion that you're an experienced pianist who has played many different pianos. So, I assume you bought this digital piano, which is one of the most expensive, not just because "it's the most expensive, so it must be the best." I'd like to know why you chose this piano instead of, for example, the CLP-745 or the CLP-875, which are cheaper options and, in theory, should have been a good replacement for your 585. I hope you can answer me because I don't have a piano store nearby and would like the opinion of someone knowledgeable about the topic. This piano would cost me twice as much as the 745, and I'm not sure if it would be worth it. I'd only invest that amount of money if the differences were truly significant. (google translated, sorry if there are any mistakes)
I’m fortunate enough that I can spend the money to get the best instruments, as others may be too - part of it was knowing the 885 was the flagship and that the Piano Room, soundboard and key lengths were improved in this model and that they way it looked too (like a nice piece of furniture). I’ve always had the flagship models so generally stick with Yamahas best offering. I have played some of the other models but to me the touch wasn’t as realistic and the speaker wasn’t as clear. The 885 for me had better sound generation and a better keyboard.
I would say that the 785 would be a nice replacement if you can get one - I’m not sure on the exact differences tbh, just being upfront.
I would say that if you can travel to try it then do so as what is appealing to me may not be for you. We may have different motivators for spending, as I say, for me it was knowing I had the best Yamaha had to offer in this range.
I listened carefully to your sample of bosendorfer and it sounds much louder and brighter than on my clp 885. Did you change the brightness or any other parameters or does it sound like that by default? My bosendorfer by default sounds very muffled and unnatural, sometimes it seems that this is some kind of malfunction. while cfx sounds good. If you changed the settings relative to bosendorfer, then I want to know from you what parameters you entered. thank you.
I can’t remember the parameters at the time. But I have brightness left as default and I have string resonance set to 8. Touch is medium and reverb concert hall.
@TheScottishDad So my piano is broken (
@@TheScottishDad I had the volume limiter turned on at 80 percent, when I turned it off now, the Bösendorfer started playing much better, and most importantly - louder. I was a little happy. But as for me, it still remains insufficiently expressive and for some reason in your video it sounds much brighter, however, cfx also sounds much brighter than usual. Perhaps you edited the sound after recording?
I tried the CLP885 today and thought it was stunning, closing my eyes it felt like a concert grand. The CLP875 was also great, very responsive and solid feeling (and more in my price range, so I went with that). It's been a long time since I last tried a top-end Yamaha digital and they definitely have come on a long way. Thanks for the video.
Is there a big difference between the CLP 785 and the CLP 875? Is it true that the CLP 875 has plastic pedals?!
Hi! Do you record from the line out of the piano ? Or do you record with your own mic the CLP's own amplification ?
@@tied515 it’s the inbuilt record functionality. I save the file to the piano then export to usb. There is a function where you can change midi to audio on the piano menu - then export.
@@TheScottishDad Thank you very much for your answer
They've not really moved on as much as I'd hoped in 10+ years. My old CLP-270 sounded almost the same.
I tend to agree - I was hoping for a little more in terms of tone generation and action improvement. It’s a new model though and should last me another 10 years or so. I play everyday and the action is a nice improvement, my 585 was getting tired as well and was in need of replacement.
I’d like to have seen a better escapement mechanism. Perhaps with real action inside to produce the feel of actual hammers.
And my still working perfectly clp 170! I would be interested to compare the actions though. Compared with my acoustic piano, its action feels kind of dead
@@pjzz2000 I had a CLP170, and all the keys snapped!
@buckachiddy hahaha, that's dramatic! I had all my keys replaced because Yamaha did a recall on their faulty keyboard....maybe my keys would have snapped too 😳
@@pjzz2000 The 270 was a lot more robust. These days I have a P515 and a Sauter 185 Delta. P515 actually is pretty good.
You said that some notes in Bosendorfer sound bad, yes, these are the notes that have an unpleasant sound on my instrument. In general, the Besendorfer sample sounds quiet, very dull and disgusting. I think that this was done intentionally to spoil the impression of Bosendorfer pianos, and to highlight the Yamaha piano, despite the fact that the Bosendorfer company belongs to Yamaha, but apparently the company has problems with marketing inside, which the owner does not even know about. There are also problems in the cfx voice, these are the notes B of the first octave, C, C sharp and D of the second octave, they sound sharp, due to the fact that the strings are not ideally tuned in the triad, Yamaha specialists did not notice when they took samples that the tuner did not tune the notes perfectly, also the note E of the second octave is too sensitive and sometimes plays very loudly if you press it harder, this is exactly the problem of the cfx sample, since other samples do not have such a problem. The reason for this is also an imperfectly adjusted mechanism of the piano keyboard from which the samples were taken or a violation of the technology of taking a sample from this note, although in the end the problem can be removed programmatically. But unfortunately all the good specialists ran away from Yamaha to Kawai. I also realized that the binaural samples sound just disgusting compared to my old clp 625, the impression is that they did not record them, but simply adapted them programmatically and, like all the other voices. This is another big deception of Yamaha. I will reveal to you another unpleasant secret - the stand for the notes is made of plastic. Sorry that I am looking for only flaws, but the piano costs crazy money, and I did not expect some disappointment from such a flagship instrument.
Good morning, is the sound recorded in a direct line from the Piano's generator or with environmental microphones?
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Hey - I recorded direct onto a usb from the pianos sound generator and then moved this file over to my laptop and synced with the video.
Did you ever find out what the problem was with the buzzing notes?
@@nik0wat it was the sample - it done it even if I recorded to USB and listened back with headphones. It’s a string resonance and part of the sample. Tbf, when I listen to other samples and ones in Pianoteq - the same resonance can be heard on some notes.
I have the CLP735, I found the Bosendorfer sample horrible, I wonder why so many people applaud it. The CFX is the only decent sample. But I regret having sold my Kawai with the Sk-Ex samples, much much better than Yamaha's CFX
I really wanted a Kawai but due to the stair setup in my house it wasn’t practical to get the one I wanted. The CLP dismantles enough to get it up the stairs.
The Bosendorfer sample sounds ok on the 885 but I find myself using Pianoteq 90% of the time as those are hy far the most realistic sounds I’ve come across.
@@TheScottishDadOh, could you make a video showing the 885 with the Pianoteq? Please with microphone from your room and with audio out to see the difference.
It's strange Yamaha would skimp on the Bosendorfer samples considering they own Bosendorfer since 2007.
@@TheScottishDadI’m guessing you were looking at the Kawai CA901? I was just quoted $4,699 for a brand new Kawai CA901 or a Yamaha CLP885. I own a brand new Kawai GL40 grand I just got but it’s is too powerful for my apartment so I’m about to pull the trigger on either the CA901 or the CLP885. Still undecided
and what is this sample yamaha cfx (cont..), what does it mean? I don't understand
@@anmalder it means it’s the CFX sample and I’m continuing later in the video. Cont… = continued.
@TheScottishDad that is, it is no different? did I understand correctly? it seemed to me that it was different
Hi! I´m curious to know why you actually bought this particular model since you don´t seem very excited about it?
My 585 was getting old (over 10 years) and I wanted a new model to replace it. I’m not over the moon with it, but it is a nice upgrade and will last a long time and my son can use this too when he’s older. I got a good trade in price for my old piano so the timing was right. It’s an improvement, but not as much as I was hoping for.
i got my new 885 today and compared to my old 625 the keyboard is quite noisy. didn't expect that from such an expensive instrument. a bit disappointed. judging by your video it is as noisy as yours. was the keyboard on your old piano as noisy?
@@anmalder I find them all noisy. Tbh it wasn’t something I noticed or that struck me too much. It is a little noisier than my 585 but not much. I tend to keep the volume slider at least half way and when I’m focused on playing I don’t notice. Although, now you’ve mentioned it, it’s all I’ll hear now 😆
Is it true that the CLP 875 has plastic pedals?!
@@arkadiuszk.3898 I haven’t tried the 875 but the 885 has metal pedals - I’d be very surprised if the pedals were plastic.
It has not. I tested one yesterday.
@@Schicksal0 And? You like it?
Thats expensive, What would you rate the 845 as then ?
@@kaseis it was pricey, yes. Not sure, I haven’t played it to compare :-)
I went in to buy a CLP 875 or 885 and came away with an 845. Biggest issue was not price (although I saved a bit) but touch. The Grand Touch S just felt softer and more pleasant than the GT. Very personal but wonder if anyone else feels this.
@@CvS2016 I felt the same. The salesman said it could just be that the 845 is "easier" to play while the 885 is more difficult to handle, like an acoustic. I'm a beginner, so I couldn't dispute. The downweight of the key felt good, but the upweight was too big, unlike an acoustic. That's my perception. The 845 is lighter overall, the downweight is probably too light compared to an acoustic, but the upweigth felt good. Anyway, are you happy with it?
Yes I am very happy with the 845. The key action is just a small amount lighter than the grand touch and still wooden keys. I have played a bunch of acoustics and all have very different actions, so hard to compare but certainly in the same domain. One issue is that there are relatively few non keyboard instruments to fool around with. My old CSP 170 had many more voices like flamingo guitar and many others. Not sure why they would change this?
@@CvS2016 Interesting. I could probably get used to the 885, but I am leaning toward the 845. My only hesitation is that maybe the 885 would prepare me better to transition to a variety of acoustics, including heavier uprights (I am probably overthinking this). Yeah, not sure about the sounds, probably a way to artificially differentiate the CLP and CSP lines 😏
Hi there … thanks for the video. I believe I have a problem with my 885 and I wonder if you ( or any other owners ) could check something for me?
The backboard of the piano is part of the sound system … it resonates in addition to the speaker system. When I play a Bflat3 it resonates with gusto and blooms, drowning out the sound of the sampled note. Same issue with B3 and C3. By Dflat3 and D3 the resonance of the backboard is back to normal. I can actually feel the additional vibration quite clearly with my hand on the backboard.
It’s the same issue to differing degrees with the other pianos. The issue disappears completely when using headphones.
So my question is … has anyone else noticed the same problem?
Many thanks in advance to anyone who replies!
@@nytram1309 hey, I’ll check this out on my piano in the next few hours and let you know if I can recreate it.
Many thanks … I appreciate it. The issue is even worse with the Ballad Grand voice, so I’m confident it’s not the sampling.
@@nytram1309 hi , I tried on my piano and can’t recreate what you describe. I too can feel the vibration on the keys but that’s part of the design. I’d maybe take the back panel off (held with Velcro) and check nothing is loose but my piano is fine.
Thanks very much for trying … I appreciate it. I can feel the over enthusiastic vibration by placing my hand on the back of the piano. And it’s particularly bad when using the Ballad Grand voice. I’m in touch with Yamaha and we’ll see what happens.
In another comment you mention Pianoteq … do you get that playing through the 885 sound system or some other way?
@nytram1309 I get the Pianoteq playing through the 885 speakers and it’s great, much better piano samples than what the 885 comes with, the richness, clarity and tonal depth is impressive. Much more like a ‘real piano’.
I have my 885 connected to my MacBook via the TO HOST connection. One cable and that’s it.
Bösendorfer voice sounds less good than CFX, there are excessive OVERTONES in the low keys and it's not real, in summary it is an excellent piano, although the price is quite high for the value.
I personally agree that the price is a little high, but the value is quite good on this piano as it is probably the best or second-best digital piano in the market (some people prefer Kawai, but I don't like the action on a Kawai as much). I do think an 875 is quite similar and much cheaper (I tried both; the 885 definitely feels and sounds better, but I don't think it's worth it).
If your black keys are topped with ivory, the elevent that provided it must have had terrible mouth hygiene! ;)
He said "SYNTHETIC ivory
@@MrFlint51 Did he? My mistake. Sorry.
Then again, he should have said synthetic EBONY because I can't see the point of making black ivory. But I'm just trying to get out of a problem I created here... :)
@@MrFlint51 You didn't get the joke. If your ivory is black, whoever elephant provided it has rotten tusks.
Yamaha quote the term “synthetic ivory”. I’m using their terminology here.
ebony = black... ivory = NOT black
:)
It sounds like plastic and with bad dimamics. I will bette choose another model. Thank you really
Thanks for the comment. In person, the sound is very realistic, I was impressed with it. The recorded version here doesn’t relate to the in person sound. I’d encourage you to try one in person and see how you feel then. I’d agree that it’s not perfect. But it’s a nice improvement. As I say, I tend not to use the built in sounds and instead use Pianoteq as this sounds better to my ears.
Which?
O Casio GP510 tem uma mecânica melhor e três timbres dos melhores pianos do mundo. Por um preço melhor.
Hi, thanks for the feedback. I have tried various models over the years, including the Casio. The Casio was impressive, however; for me, there’s something about the feel from the Yamaha. The build quality and sound are more to my liking. It’s a brand I’ve stayed with for a long time and have been impressed with.
@@TheScottishDad What about Kawai? Which do you prefer?
its very expensive for a digital piano!
Yes, it’s quite pricey. I think most goods these days are inflated tbh. My last piano (CLP-585) lasted over 10 years, so for me, this new one should do me another 10. My son shows some curiosity for the piano too, so I wanted to get a new model for the house and hope he takes to it as well.