Hello, thanks for your comment. We are already amazed with the speed these products are evolving. Seeing a group of students make a bike with a 250-mile range is just spectacular. Can you imagine what will happen if companies start pouring more money into the development?
Only good thing? noise reduction, torque, smooth ride come to mind. Harley is in big trouble. They have an e-bike, but it makes noise for no good reason because they think that appeals to the fat old farts riding Harleys. Those guys will either never go electric or go in all the way. No one needs a motorcycle to make a stupid noise just to make noise.
I think they need to have the gear shifter as the 'regen' selector. I suspect it might be quite intuitive. First 'gear' lots of engine braking, around town ...and 'top gear' coasts along on the highway, with very little 'engine braking. And have the rear brake as left hand lever, where by there's far more feel.
I commute 70 miles round trip on my bike. I've considered getting an electric as an additional bike but with the current ranges their only good for commuting. I'd have to plug it in every day to make it back and forth the next day. Sure there are charging stations along the way (sort of) but who wants to have to wait for it to charge when you're trying to get home after a long day at work? You can forget going on a cruise or a ride out in the hill country away from the city. My bike gets up to 200 miles a tank and I typically don't have to fill up as often as some of the other liter bikes in our group but there's no way I could take an electric bike on one of those rides (typically 200-300 miles in a day with a stop for lunch out in the boonies). I think the Energica Ego is the closest so far to what I'd consider, the price has come down considerably since they first came out as well but the range still prohibits those weekend cruises or bike night rides...
Hello, thanks for your feedback. Electric transport is still some time away from being able to handle long commutes. Though it's good to see that the range has passed 200 miles for some models. Unlike with electric cars, where the range problem could be solved with a larger pack, motorcycles have a limited amount of space.
Your comments reflect my thinking. A electric motorcycle needs 300 km (180 mile) to the charge and a re-charge time of about an hour so you can get it done while having a meal. Only electric MTB or trials bikes can justify shorter range but they are generally as expensive as a motorcycle. Otherwise maybe electric scooters for commuting but I have no interest. We are going to see many start-ups going to the wall before the travel range and cost makes sense. Most of the electric motorcycles look like crap anyway so I am not holding my breath.
Some MTB or trial bikes have swappable batteries because they are aiming for lower weight. Every motorcycle has it's main purpose, so the range, speed and weight are calibrated according to the purpose of the bike.
The zero st can not only handle your commute with ease but if you have a simple outlet at work your company can supply you with a free charge while you work. A penny a mi le
While my job (General Motors plant) actually has charging stations, they only allow GM brand vehicles to park in them and while the motorcycle parking is really close to my office, they would likely frown on me running an extension cord through the chain link fence to my bike... :( So charging at home is really my only viable option at this time. I see that the Zero SR 14.4 + power tank shows a 112 mile range @70mph, my route to work is all highway with a 70mph limit, I tend to ride at around 80mph and am curious as to how much that would affect my range in addition to power consumption at the 102mph limit which I'm not a fan of. That kind of range would likely alleviate any range anxiety but at a cost of over $20K after taxes. I also wish they offered a sport bike. Energica has a naked and sport bike as well as a naked with a lower range/smaller motor. They state the ranges on the bigger ones to be 125 miles but don't indicate at what speeds (likely city driving) and thus the highway range may not cut it, but with a limited top end of 125mph (naked) and 150mph (sport) and a 0-60 of 3 seconds the performance is much closer to my gas guzzler. I like the styling much better as well although the $26.5K starting price is a little pricey considering the range. It will likely be awhile until I buy into the electric motorcycle market.
Hello, thank you for your comment. It's usually more than a few years. Some manufactures give a 5 year warranty on their batteries. If a battery goes bad, you'd have to buy a new one, just like any other part of a regular motorcycle. Nothing is made to last forever.
the tacita motor cycle and brutus motor cycle both seemed to be what most would buy if they knew about them on massive scale and shown on television news sites like CNN. your video was very informative, please do put the web links to each of the manufacture sites also in the general video description so every one can just click on the web site link. hope you and your viewers have a great day.
Hello, thank you for your comment. We will take your suggestions into consideration. Electric motorcycles do lack good marketing. There are several great bikes out there, though only EV fans know about them.
You're missing the Super Soco models, they're more on the bang for the buck side... actually the TC Max can reach +110Km range and +110Km/h, which is far enough for most riders...
Hello, thank you for your comment. Most modern electric motorcycles have this feature. They use excess energy to recharge the batteries (i.e. when you are braking or going down the hill).
im sure mileage will double in 5 years with battery tech. regardless most people dont even drive 30 miles in a day so a 70mpc would be fine. Obviously not counting long road trips and what.
Hello, thank you for your comment. You seem to understand the market more than most viewers, as they feel that 150 miles is not enough and are asking for 300 or more miles.
In my opinion range is the only real problem that electricity has, because when you reach the end of that range(should you need to ride the full length) you have to wait and wait and wait(full charges on quick charging seem to take hours on average) where as with a gas engine you just fill back up.... The answer is simple, perhaps hard to apply but very simple in theory. Removable batterys. If the source of the power can fit in a back pack, saddle bag, or trunk attachment, you can now travel twice as far, if the bike can run a small alternator, you can charge the spare while riding the other.... The problem is range, the answer is to use the riders space effiecently
Hello there. It all depends on the bike that we are talking about. There are newcomers that have over 200 miles of range. We can't imagine someone needing more range for a motorcycle. We also liked your other suggestions however, where are we going to fit all of this: extra batteries, gas range extender, etc? We are currently making a video about other electric motorcycles and one of them does have a swappable battery pack. As you can imagine, it's huge. So we believe that fast charging is the only solution, we need more level 2 charging stations, as there are batteries already that can restore 80% of juice in less than an hour.
I want a cruiser type e motorcycle with speeds up to 150 mph and 0-60 in 5 seconds or less(only that speed and acceleration because it's not a sports bike) with a range of at least 500 miles, regenerative breaking, super quick charge, and, if possible, could be recharged with both wind and solar energy. Within $20,000 only.
Last year a labaratory was able to creat a 3D printed graphene supercapacitor that will be used for EV and E-bike. If that technology would successed then i can go ride an E-bike in the future that can go more than 600 miles in range in single charge and within 10 minutes full battery charging time. But for now im still using my yamaha FZ 150 since e- bike still not available in my place
Hello, thank you for your comment. It's a scooter, so we couldn't tell about it in a video about motorcycles. But we have talked about it in our videos about new electric scooters. You should check those out.
@@Datacube I have a Suzuki vstrom1000. That goes to Alaska every year. Besides name one gas bike that can only go 150 miles on a tankful. Also it only 3 minutes to refill. Don't get me wrong. I like the idea of an electric bike. But right now it's just a novelty
It does take you 3 minutes to refill, there is no doubt in that, still you can only fill up at a designated place. Gas is not always available, especially if you end up stranded between the stations. There are no universal solutions here. Also we don't think of a scenario where anyone would need more than 150 miles of range on an electric motorcycle. They are made for a different purpose and taking them on long trips is something that doesn't make much sense. As one of the viewers stated in the comment, most riders don't go more than 30 miles a day and we partially agree with that. Electric vehicles show their best in city environments and in places, where short trips are required. We would also like to take a look at the typical cost to recharge the the official website of Zero S. With such savings, many riders would cope with the 150 miles on a range (especially in countries with higher gas prices.)
Hallo schöne Biker und gutes Video.Aber rum werden nur noch Biker für eine Person gebaut.Fahre gern mit meiner Partnerin aus und son E Bike ist schon interessant, aber es geht nicht wenn sie nur für eine Person sind.
I would also say Zero are pulling away from all the others due to their ability to offer options ie long range short range. Price is as always a big issue with buying American bikes though, which is a shame as they can produce some really good bikes. Tacita T-Cruise bike Nice but again has issues, ignition key in the wrong place easily damaged broken off and potentially lost if it falls out awkward. They should also have something covering the cables going in and out of the motor as over time I suspect the cables will leak water especially if the bike is ridden in rain a lot. The price again is high when you want a decent battery fitted.
Like with Zero, we liked that Tacita offers 3 different battery back options. It sounds like some basic customization, still could attract more riders to electric power.
Yes Tacita could, I rather liked what they were doing the only real down side to what they had was this. The items I mentioned before ie key location and covering for the cables, but their biggest problem is price. Because it's made in Europe the bike is expensive, or because they make so few the bike is expensive, it could be a part of both reasons, but the bike is expensive once you start looking at getting a decent size battery on it. I get that the batteries are expensive, but the battery is the one part of a motorcycle the makers don't have to develop they just put them together to produce a power pack. So really all they are doing with the battery is fitting them into the space that is available which should mean as they are not developing the battery and only putting it together should make it more competitive in pricing. When I build a battery pack, it costs me next to nothing compared to buying a pack already made for me, so if they are simply building the packs to fit a certain size there is no reason the price couldn't drop to reflect the fact that they are only putting it together and not developing it. But the price doesn't in fact you would think at that price they actually manufacture the cells.
I understand that you have an ebike and should know better, still I don't get it why anyone would still ask for more range. Even not ask, demand. Bigger batteries weigh more and I never ride for more than 60 miles in the city. It applies to all electrics. I just watched a video from 3rd world countries that buy used leafs, Teslas, etc, just to fix them up and save on fuel. They don't care about the detleted range and somehow live with a leaf's 60 mile range. It's the matter of accessible fast charging, not the bigger battery, don't you think so?
EV zone Fast charging would be good, but it's not the whole answer for motorcycles. Here's the problem with this: fast charging takes what 2 perhaps 3 hours then you can go let's say 60 miles. So within a couple hours your bike is flat dead again, you can't go for a ride out with it and well let's just say the limits are idiotic. To address your point about 3rd world countries, the reason why they can get on with these vehicles most cars not motorcycles is because most of them live on the ground level, may have solar panels fitted and drive really slow most of the time due to poor road surfaces. So many prefer a petrol motorcycle over a car for most things except when having to deal with a whole family to carry. So to put it in a nutshell and explain why range is a big issue with electric motorcycles unlike cars. As I said before, motorcyclists don't use their vehicles like car drivers do, we ride stop short time ride more and more short stops throughout the day or week, unless commuting. We enjoy our ride we don't do it cos we have to, we often do it cos it makes more sense than taking the car, many of us also drive cars. Companies like Honda worked this stuff out, an average of 140 miles, they can fit larger tanks no problem, even when they make more efficient motorcycles they still reduce the size of the tank to average 140 miles or there about, around town on a run it tends to extend to around 260 miles or there about. So now we have electric motorcycles but with stupid ranges of around 50 miles and very few people are buying them, those that do often are not normal bikers, however if you look at what Zero has done they have recognised the need for better range, which means their bikes are more likely to appeal to a biker than any of the others, but price is a big issue. I better stop here as this posting is getting rather long.
Hello, thanks for speaking your mind. The bike does look great, the technical part however, is expected to be decent too. For sure their company will need some time to market their invention, so it sells better. Once we start seeing more of these bikes on the street, we'd be able to judge how fast it can actually go.
Ci projektanci nigdy chyba nie siedzieli na motocyklu tu chyba plus dla Chińczyków którzy robią konwersję spalinowych motocykli na elektryczne i nie starają się udziwniać lub wynajdować na nowo koła
those bikes are going to blow up just like teslas too. so see you on the moon alice. oh by the way i hope you realize your getting ripped off on the mileage end because that bike should go 1000 miles on a charge but it doesn't. so you buy one get a step up generator and an bike battery and sell the battery on ebay to get you money back. If you don't what step up is then toooo baaaad.!!!!
Hello, thank you for your comment. Your comment got us to upset because you are retelling lots of myths about electric vehicles. 1) Do you take into account that you probably own at least two things that are battery operated and are closer to your body than a vehicle? Those are your cell phone and laptop. Those, as you stated, "blow up" as regularly as ICE tanks; 2) Can you please show us a regular bike that goes 1000 miles on a tank?
3:20 What was Bell Cycles thinking-of?! “Let’s make the ugliest bike possible”? Let’s just attach 2 pieces of luggage that contain batteries to the side of a Harley?!
Thanks for sharing your point of view. While the design choices may be controversial, their tech is quite impressive. At least they figured out how to make one of the longest lasting e-motorcycle setups out there.
Your going for the same design, try something diffrent look at bmw r1200gs The best selling bike at the moment with the size you could go for a bike battery pack, my round trip for work is 80 miles and at the weekend about 200 miles the first company to hits the 200 mile plus will be one to a winner
No as over time everything evolves into something better, but look at these bike not one can hold a top box or panniers, not one is designed with a biker in mind, it's lab and computer's doing the work people who don't ride a bike, most bikers at a weekend will meet up with friends and will ride up to 200 miles in a day. A car moves you , a bike will move your soul
There are bikes in this video with over 200 miles of range. We don't understand what you are trying to say here. They have the range, they are built by experts and they have unique looks. What's wrong?
Brutus v9, Ethec and Tacita T-Cruise have close or more 200 miles or range. If you watch our newer video about fastest electric motorcycles, you'll learn more about ZERO S ZF13.0 + POWER TANK, Lightning ls 218, STORM Wave and Sarolea Manx7 that also have over 150 miles of range.
Alta motor redshift. No good at all, unless you take it in your house for charging. As for saying finding a charging spot is easy in todays world I guess it really depends on where you live.
What you say depends on which country you live in and what part of that country you live in. I live in London, and some parts have great charging facilities but if you live in a part of London that has absolutely no charging facilities within walking distance it becomes a real pain in the ass. As I said I own a victrix, I would need to walk around two miles to the nearest charger and then it would cost me a fortune in charge time as the batteries on a victrix are slow to charge, so instead of that I use my gasoline motorcycle which I also have a fair distance to travel to get gasoline but it takes me around 5 minutes to refuel and I don't have walk two miles to get my bike once refueled. To tie it in with the other post. That bike does 140/160 to a tank of fuel around town but on a run does around 260/80 to a tank of fuel depending on how hard I ride it. So you see the importance of a reasonable range. On top of that the bike cost new less than 7 grand, can go 130 plus mph and is so reliable starts first time every time, and even to replace it today I could get an equally good motorcycle new off the shelf with extras for less than 7 grand which will do pretty much the same, but with greater range but less speed, depending on what I needed. So you see the problem with these electric bikes is 1/ range is pretty much always crap. 2/ lack of charging ability. 3/ time it takes to charge. 4/ they never seem to have fairings. 5/ price is ridiculously high for what you are getting. 6/ too much innovation not enough presentation. 7/ reliability over time untested. But even with all these failures, many people like myself would buy an electric motorcycle if three of these things could be addressed. those three are 2/ lack of charging and 3/ time it takes to charge, and 5/ price for a reasonable range. I bought my victrix to see just how difficult it would be for me to run an electric motorcycle I couldn't charge in my home, and it's impossible, simply put impossible.
How fast is your charging speed? Britain needs something like Tesla supercharging. Even if it did, I doubt that anyone but Elon musk could make such advanced tech. Are there any electronic bike manufacturers in the UK? Would be sad to see America being on top here.
EV zone I think basically it comes down to this, the UK govt makes a lot of noise, they also put in a lot of rules and regulations including lots of ways to make you pay more for driving vehicles that pollute, but here's the rub, they are good at taking our money but useless at helping to promote innovation. Hell even small EVs have to be registered as motorcycles, so we have small kick scooters with a 250 watt motor must be registered as a motorcycle which means it will cost you insurance Mots but you do get free road tax oddly enough the cheapest part of any vehicle to use on the road. Technically even a child's electric scooter with a 100 watts motor is illegal in the UK unless registered as a motorcycle. So when it comes to charging, unless you can take the vehicle in your house or you live on the ground floor or are lucky enough to live near a charger you are pretty much screwed, everywhere has yellow or red lines so you can't simply pull up and charge anywhere you will get a ticket.
@@Datacube Please explain the pauses when speaking in a sentence that is not s[apposed to be a pause? As interesting to me is human speaking is not like that. We speak fluently pause at full stops comers question marks. Also we have passion in our voices even if board. Listen to it again you will see what I mean. Thanks for the comment.
Emission free I don't think so ! Electricity is still generated from nuclear facilities and coal so charging bikes still uses electricity derived by using fossil fuel or nuclear power! Not to mention, what to do with spent batteries once they're spent! One trade off from another!
Hello, thank you for your interest. Some of these bikes are currently in the works but some of them are already available, so we included some of the prices in the introduction before every new bike, did you miss it?
Ok obviously Evoke is the best but still not enough range to make it viable, White ghost is a close follower to Evoke again a potentially good bike but range is poor and why would you want traction control on a bike? Unnecessary expense, this kind of thing is best left for super large motorcycles due to their weight not a small motorcycle that runs on batteries.
Hello, thanks for your feedback. They all run on batteries and it's only the matter of the battery size. Besides the range, we'd love to have as much features as possible. Like one tech blogger says, the more features - the better. If the company decides to drop some feature, it doesn't meant that they would drop the price. You keep mentioning the range, how much would you need the bike to have to make it "viable?"
A bike has to go at least 140 miles with a little left over for finding charging or in the case of a gasoline bike fuel. A gasoline bike on a run will do over 200 miles to a tank, so on a run I would expect at least 140 miles to a charge with a little left over for finding charge. Anything less and you need home charging or battery swap, but even with 140 miles you would still need fast charging to make it viable. Motorcycles are not like cars, you ride jump off park up for a short time then ride more park up and so on, cars tend to drive get there park up for a long time then move on as they are usually shopping or taking in movie or whatever, bikes are riding often just for the fun of riding, so are used quite a bit differently to a car, unless it's a commuter in which case the bike would park up all day and plenty of time for charging. You take a bike on a run you may stop off two or three times but only for a short time, 20 minutes here 30 minutes there but you wouldn't generally park up for two or three hours and especially not in the rain. So as I said a minimum of 140 miles should be standard for all bikes with a little left over for finding charge. My old bikes used to do pretty much that 140 miles to a tank at around 45 miles to the gallon, on a run it would be a bit more, but you always expected no less that 140 to a tank.
Our sincere apologies, we forgot to reply on time. We are working on new videos right now and found several smaller bikes and scooters that have removable and modular battery packs meaning that your bike has a core built in pack that cannot be removed, while other slots can be filled with optional battery packs. Several Asian countries are starting to test the battery sharing technology. So you come to the station, drop empty packs and pick up the charged ones. How would you describe the future of this approach? We still think that fast charging is the key. If they could lower the charging time from 3 hours to 30 minutes, electric vehicles will start getting more fans.
Ok on the idea of battery swap I see one huge problem, when you buy a bike you pay for or rent your battery, if you rent the battery that's fine but in some countries renting a battery is off putting just look what happened to the twizy, nice machine very few sales, once they went over to selling the battery it was too late they lost people's interest. So here is the problem, you buy your bike you buy your battery, you go to the station with your brand new battery to swap it out and in return for your brand new battery you end up with something that is old and not exactly the same level as your brand new battery, now you go back to another station and you guessed it more old batteries, while someone else is running around with your nice brand new battery.
Not only that making sure all the batteries are fully charged may become an issue if the service becomes popular. By far the best solution is to have a removable battery yes, but have the battery so it can be extended in range by purchasing extra modules, even a back pack module bag could be produced, or a fairing module holder. There are many ways to extend a bikes range by added extra battery packs, but the thing that needs to be addressed is the cost. Like I said before I have a victrix and it is a really nice bike but the batteries are a ridiculous price, and you can't swap out the battery so it hardly ever gets any use, one simple change to the design would mean I would be riding electric instead of gasoline now, but it sits in my garage doing nothing other than gathering dust. So think of this, imagine you had a bike that had a range of 100 miles, but you had very little room for adding extra batteries cos the bike is small, what would be the best way to extend the range using lithium batteries, simple several ways, make available to buy an extended range plug in top box or tank bag or back pack you set into the design a socket that you take you lead from your back pack and plug it into the bike which then allows you to either extend the range or bypass the main battery altogether. Not only that but by producing an extender range back pack you could make use of that with all types of bikes even those that don't have removable batteries. Might need to produce an upgrade kit depending on the type of bike but it all has potential to make extra money and make people happier with their products, it just needs to be safe and worth the effort carrying it. I reckon the average male could easily carry a battery pack on their back that could extend the range of a bike by half the original bikes range but that would need to be tested. It also allows for easy charging plus also produce a range of fast or rapid home chargers. This posting could go on a lot longer but I think I have outlined a huge potential not only for the bikes these guys produce but systems like I have said could actually go to servicing bikes they don't produce.
I like the idea of an electric motorcycle but 20 000 € for a bike that is ugly with a poor range, that's not possible... when you know that with 14 300 € you can get a brand new BMW S1000R 2018... While the manufacturers can't make a good looking, 300km (186 miles) range bike with at least 80hp (60kW) for less than 10 000€ (11 500$), most people won't consider buying E-bikes.
Hello, thank you for your comment. Although the things that you are saying make sense, you are being a bit harsh and unfair to electric motorcycles. ICE bikes had decades to develop, while most of ebike manufacturers haven't even been 10 years around. Also you don't take into consideration the fact that electric motors are more reliable than ICE and offer some performance benefits, as well as lower running costs. Finally, isn't Zero SR good looking?
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, english isn't my native language so my vocabulary isn't actually developped. I know that ebikes manufacturers are new and that we can't expect a lot of their products for now (that's why you shouldn't buy ebikes for the moment, which is what I was saying in my first comment). Maybe they are more reliable but who knows ? they are new so we don't have any experience of them. Performance benefits ? Even if ebikes have a great acceleration, they are so expensive that you could buy a more powerfull bike for less. The Zero SR isn't ugly but I personally don't like this futuristic-naked-ish style (and sadly, the Zero SR is the best looking eBike). eBikes is a good idea but it needs a bit of time before being attractive (but that's only my point of view, I respect yours ^^). Moreover, I love my clutch, shifting gears and the sweet sound of the engine. So if I switch for ebikes, it would be reluctantly... except if it's really worth it which is not for the moment...
As consumers we have to understand that new technology just doesn't fall out of the sky. If companies are putting money into the development of electric bikes, they will have to recoup their investment by selling the products. So suggesting that we shouldn't buy electric motorcycles now is a bit wrong. If no one buys them, then manufacturers will stop developing them. Now speaking of the clutch and shifting gears, we've had a fun conversation with one of our viewers and we prompted him to visit a local ebike dealership and sign up for a test ride. His feedback was more than positive, you can look through the comments. So electric motorcycles on paper and in reality differ greatly. You just have to try them out.
Maybe I'd like ebikes but, I'm a college student, I can't afford a 20 000 € bike. I know that the manufacturers need to sell products to make money for the research but I'm not rich, I can't put 20K€ in a prototype-ish bike for one reason ; I don't have 20K€ and if I had those, I would never use them for a bike, electric or not (like most people I think). If you're rich then go ahead and buy a Zero SR, I'm sure it's a very good bike.
Please note that in this video we shared only the most powerful and upcoming bikes. There are more reasonably prices models, like Zero S (>$11,000) or Evoke Urban S (>$8,000).
What I don't understand is why can't they build one that will charge the batteries as your riding I know it is possible but they don't do this what is holding back the electric car and motorcycle is the distance you can travel with out recharge it's stupid and we are steal letting big oil and bought off government to hold us down it's wrong and we shouldn't stand for it because the electric car isn't at all new technology it's been around since the very early days of cars I think the mid 30s or earlier magnetic motors work there real we are letting a few rule over us and gain more money when is it enough hydrogen generators can be used to power the cars we have now and best thing you can build one your self when is it enough money why do they need more when they own every thing now stand up fight for your kids kids your self your next door neighbor you your self we do not need gasoline any more
Hello, thanks for the feedback. Many bikes are restoring some of the charge on the go. This generation feature can be used only to restore excess power and cannot work all the way through the ride. You are right, the electric vehicle technology has been around for a long time but it's the batteries that are the weak spot, not the electric motors. Scientists and engineers are struggling to make compact batteries that will last for long and still be able to charge quickly.
who can beat that i can cut you all a check on just the value thru me owning my accounts that are at new york stock exchange making me zillions of dollars i can get a loan on just the value ,pay it back in 15 minutes and hand you a check for all you made and companies value with you oweing nothing ,its nothing that can beat that, why wait impress me like im trying to do to you for just the quality of volts and etc.
Hello, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Don't they look like regular motorcycles? The makers of these bikes even keep the shape of regular motorcycles, the shape of gas tank and everything. There are even people here writing that they want different designs for electric bikes and that they should look different from the gas ones.
Hello, thanks for your comment. We've had discussions with several viewers about design, so in this context we just have to ask... Do you think that electric motorcycles should look the same or different from ICE ones?
What shit video, to awesome bikes! Sprechen Sie Deutsche? Machen wir es Deal, Sie machen das Dialoge auf Deutsche, mach ich es auf Englisch, was meinen Sie? Horror😉😜👍
@@Datacube the advantage of DIY and production made usaully, DIY can make it much better , because we will fit every best components into one piece. While production the tend to make affordability and mass production. Dyi will refine every smallestflaw they can see. But production will keep it as is and try to fix it for another version so user will buy new one.^_^
@@Datacube Ather 450 is a smart scooter.. it's just like telsa. Ather 450 has 4kw mid drive Motor 50Ah 51VDC battery... 110km range and 85kmh top speed. With touch screen, reverse mode - parking assistance, GPS navigation, smart Lock, tracking, 3g, disk brake, space for large helmet...
4-5 years and I'm in! by then they will have these further along.
Hello, thanks for your comment. We are already amazed with the speed these products are evolving. Seeing a group of students make a bike with a 250-mile range is just spectacular. Can you imagine what will happen if companies start pouring more money into the development?
The only good thing - the range is growing!!!!!
Only good thing? noise reduction, torque, smooth ride come to mind. Harley is in big trouble. They have an e-bike, but it makes noise for no good reason because they think that appeals to the fat old farts riding Harleys. Those guys will either never go electric or go in all the way. No one needs a motorcycle to make a stupid noise just to make noise.
It's all good.
@@DrakeShattuck
They have about half the maintenance or better than a regular bike.
My homemade E bike top speed 100km
I think they need to have the gear shifter as the 'regen' selector. I suspect it might be quite intuitive. First 'gear' lots of engine braking, around town ...and 'top gear' coasts along on the highway, with very little 'engine braking. And have the rear brake as left hand lever, where by there's far more feel.
I commute 70 miles round trip on my bike. I've considered getting an electric as an additional bike but with the current ranges their only good for commuting. I'd have to plug it in every day to make it back and forth the next day. Sure there are charging stations along the way (sort of) but who wants to have to wait for it to charge when you're trying to get home after a long day at work? You can forget going on a cruise or a ride out in the hill country away from the city. My bike gets up to 200 miles a tank and I typically don't have to fill up as often as some of the other liter bikes in our group but there's no way I could take an electric bike on one of those rides (typically 200-300 miles in a day with a stop for lunch out in the boonies). I think the Energica Ego is the closest so far to what I'd consider, the price has come down considerably since they first came out as well but the range still prohibits those weekend cruises or bike night rides...
Hello, thanks for your feedback. Electric transport is still some time away from being able to handle long commutes. Though it's good to see that the range has passed 200 miles for some models. Unlike with electric cars, where the range problem could be solved with a larger pack, motorcycles have a limited amount of space.
Your comments reflect my thinking. A electric motorcycle needs 300 km (180 mile) to the charge and a re-charge time of about an hour so you can get it done while having a meal. Only electric MTB or trials bikes can justify shorter range but they are generally as expensive as a motorcycle. Otherwise maybe electric scooters for commuting but I have no interest.
We are going to see many start-ups going to the wall before the travel range and cost makes sense. Most of the electric motorcycles look like crap anyway so I am not holding my breath.
Some MTB or trial bikes have swappable batteries because they are aiming for lower weight. Every motorcycle has it's main purpose, so the range, speed and weight are calibrated according to the purpose of the bike.
The zero st can not only handle your commute with ease but if you have a simple outlet at work your company can supply you with a free charge while you work. A penny a mi le
While my job (General Motors plant) actually has charging stations, they only allow GM brand vehicles to park in them and while the motorcycle parking is really close to my office, they would likely frown on me running an extension cord through the chain link fence to my bike... :( So charging at home is really my only viable option at this time.
I see that the Zero SR 14.4 + power tank shows a 112 mile range @70mph, my route to work is all highway with a 70mph limit, I tend to ride at around 80mph and am curious as to how much that would affect my range in addition to power consumption at the 102mph limit which I'm not a fan of. That kind of range would likely alleviate any range anxiety but at a cost of over $20K after taxes. I also wish they offered a sport bike.
Energica has a naked and sport bike as well as a naked with a lower range/smaller motor. They state the ranges on the bigger ones to be 125 miles but don't indicate at what speeds (likely city driving) and thus the highway range may not cut it, but with a limited top end of 125mph (naked) and 150mph (sport) and a 0-60 of 3 seconds the performance is much closer to my gas guzzler. I like the styling much better as well although the $26.5K starting price is a little pricey considering the range.
It will likely be awhile until I buy into the electric motorcycle market.
Great line up of electric bikes, But after a few years when the power pack has given up what price are you going to fork out for new battery's?
Hello, thank you for your comment. It's usually more than a few years. Some manufactures give a 5 year warranty on their batteries. If a battery goes bad, you'd have to buy a new one, just like any other part of a regular motorcycle. Nothing is made to last forever.
Translation: Buy another bike.
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the tacita motor cycle and brutus motor cycle both seemed to be what most would buy if they knew about them on massive scale and shown on television news sites like CNN.
your video was very informative, please do put the web links to each of the manufacture sites also in the general video description so every one can just click on the web site link.
hope you and your viewers have a great day.
Hello, thank you for your comment. We will take your suggestions into consideration. Electric motorcycles do lack good marketing. There are several great bikes out there, though only EV fans know about them.
You're missing the Super Soco models, they're more on the bang for the buck side... actually the TC Max can reach +110Km range and +110Km/h, which is far enough for most riders...
The super slo co is a waste of money. You can walk faster. That's why they have such a good range.
What would be nice to see you that you had a motorcycle that would recharge itself while you're riding it that would be the ultimate bike of all
Hello, thank you for your comment. Most modern electric motorcycles have this feature. They use excess energy to recharge the batteries (i.e. when you are braking or going down the hill).
im sure mileage will double in 5 years with battery tech. regardless most people dont even drive 30 miles in a day so a 70mpc would be fine. Obviously not counting long road trips and what.
Hello, thank you for your comment. You seem to understand the market more than most viewers, as they feel that 150 miles is not enough and are asking for 300 or more miles.
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Hello, thanks for your comment. Which of the bikes are you asking about?
It should be hybrid electric and petrol so you can go anywhere u want when the charging is zero
Hello, thanks for your feedback. Won't it make the bikes too complex?
In my opinion range is the only real problem that electricity has, because when you reach the end of that range(should you need to ride the full length) you have to wait and wait and wait(full charges on quick charging seem to take hours on average) where as with a gas engine you just fill back up.... The answer is simple, perhaps hard to apply but very simple in theory. Removable batterys. If the source of the power can fit in a back pack, saddle bag, or trunk attachment, you can now travel twice as far, if the bike can run a small alternator, you can charge the spare while riding the other.... The problem is range, the answer is to use the riders space effiecently
Hello there. It all depends on the bike that we are talking about. There are newcomers that have over 200 miles of range. We can't imagine someone needing more range for a motorcycle. We also liked your other suggestions however, where are we going to fit all of this: extra batteries, gas range extender, etc? We are currently making a video about other electric motorcycles and one of them does have a swappable battery pack. As you can imagine, it's huge. So we believe that fast charging is the only solution, we need more level 2 charging stations, as there are batteries already that can restore 80% of juice in less than an hour.
I want a cruiser type e motorcycle with speeds up to 150 mph and 0-60 in 5 seconds or less(only that speed and acceleration because it's not a sports bike) with a range of at least 500 miles, regenerative breaking, super quick charge, and, if possible, could be recharged with both wind and solar energy. Within $20,000 only.
I would like a zero sr/f but there really expensive
Last year a labaratory was able to creat a 3D printed graphene supercapacitor that will be used for EV and E-bike. If that technology would successed then i can go ride an E-bike in the future that can go more than 600 miles in range in single charge and within 10 minutes full battery charging time. But for now im still using my yamaha FZ 150 since e- bike still not available in my place
Hello, thank you for your feedback. Can you please link us to the research that you are referring to?
Datacube: awesome facts and interesting top lists this is the link ua-cam.com/video/QlnQN_NpJBY/v-deo.html&feature=share
Thank you for the link.
Learn about the latest changes in the world of all-electric bikes. Is it how the motorcycles will look in the upcoming years?
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Hello, thank you for your comment. It's a scooter, so we couldn't tell about it in a video about motorcycles. But we have talked about it in our videos about new electric scooters. You should check those out.
Why electrical motor bike or electrical car still expensive...?
Hello, thank you for your comment. There are several reasons, the most important are the R&D costs and the battery pack pricing.
Not if you look in the right places.......www.zelectricvehicle.com/
Need better range and lower prices for people to afford these
Hello, thank you for your comment. Even better range? They already go over 150 miles, how much would you possibly need?
when it comes close to my bike. Then it's good. I can go over 325 miles on a tank. 150 miles is nothing. Only 2 hours of riding
Different bikes have different purposes. Not all gas bikes are made to do 325 miles. What model do you own?
@@Datacube I have a Suzuki vstrom1000. That goes to Alaska every year. Besides name one gas bike that can only go 150 miles on a tankful. Also it only 3 minutes to refill. Don't get me wrong. I like the idea of an electric bike. But right now it's just a novelty
It does take you 3 minutes to refill, there is no doubt in that, still you can only fill up at a designated place. Gas is not always available, especially if you end up stranded between the stations. There are no universal solutions here. Also we don't think of a scenario where anyone would need more than 150 miles of range on an electric motorcycle. They are made for a different purpose and taking them on long trips is something that doesn't make much sense. As one of the viewers stated in the comment, most riders don't go more than 30 miles a day and we partially agree with that. Electric vehicles show their best in city environments and in places, where short trips are required. We would also like to take a look at the typical cost to recharge the the official website of Zero S. With such savings, many riders would cope with the 150 miles on a range (especially in countries with higher gas prices.)
2:28, this is the lake Garda, 5 km from my house!
Hello, thank you for your comment. Once again, it proves how small the world actually is! ;)
Hallo schöne Biker und gutes Video.Aber rum werden nur noch Biker für eine Person gebaut.Fahre gern mit meiner Partnerin aus und son E Bike ist schon interessant, aber es geht nicht wenn sie nur für eine Person sind.
Hello, thanks for your feedback. We will try to feature more cruiser motorcycles in the future.
Good electric car & bike
Thanks for your feedback. We have also made several newer videos on this topic, you should take a look at our recent videos.
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I would also say Zero are pulling away from all the others due to their ability to offer options ie long range short range.
Price is as always a big issue with buying American bikes though, which is a shame as they can produce some really good bikes.
Tacita T-Cruise bike
Nice but again has issues, ignition key in the wrong place easily damaged broken off and potentially lost if it falls out awkward.
They should also have something covering the cables going in and out of the motor as over time I suspect the cables will leak water especially if the bike is ridden in rain a lot.
The price again is high when you want a decent battery fitted.
Like with Zero, we liked that Tacita offers 3 different battery back options. It sounds like some basic customization, still could attract more riders to electric power.
Yes Tacita could, I rather liked what they were doing the only real down side to what they had was this.
The items I mentioned before ie key location and covering for the cables, but their biggest problem is price.
Because it's made in Europe the bike is expensive, or because they make so few the bike is expensive, it could be a part of both reasons, but the bike is expensive once you start looking at getting a decent size battery on it.
I get that the batteries are expensive, but the battery is the one part of a motorcycle the makers don't have to develop they just put them together to produce a power pack.
So really all they are doing with the battery is fitting them into the space that is available which should mean as they are not developing the battery and only putting it together should make it more competitive in pricing.
When I build a battery pack, it costs me next to nothing compared to buying a pack already made for me, so if they are simply building the packs to fit a certain size there is no reason the price couldn't drop to reflect the fact that they are only putting it together and not developing it.
But the price doesn't in fact you would think at that price they actually manufacture the cells.
I understand that you have an ebike and should know better, still I don't get it why anyone would still ask for more range. Even not ask, demand. Bigger batteries weigh more and I never ride for more than 60 miles in the city. It applies to all electrics. I just watched a video from 3rd world countries that buy used leafs, Teslas, etc, just to fix them up and save on fuel. They don't care about the detleted range and somehow live with a leaf's 60 mile range. It's the matter of accessible fast charging, not the bigger battery, don't you think so?
EV zone
Fast charging would be good, but it's not the whole answer for motorcycles.
Here's the problem with this: fast charging takes what 2 perhaps 3 hours then you can go let's say 60 miles. So within a couple hours your bike is flat dead again, you can't go for a ride out with it and well let's just say the limits are idiotic.
To address your point about 3rd world countries, the reason why they can get on with these vehicles most cars not motorcycles is because most of them live on the ground level, may have solar panels fitted and drive really slow most of the time due to poor road surfaces.
So many prefer a petrol motorcycle over a car for most things except when having to deal with a whole family to carry.
So to put it in a nutshell and explain why range is a big issue with electric motorcycles unlike cars.
As I said before, motorcyclists don't use their vehicles like car drivers do, we ride stop short time ride more and more short stops throughout the day or week, unless commuting.
We enjoy our ride we don't do it cos we have to, we often do it cos it makes more sense than taking the car, many of us also drive cars.
Companies like Honda worked this stuff out, an average of 140 miles, they can fit larger tanks no problem, even when they make more efficient motorcycles they still reduce the size of the tank to average 140 miles or there about, around town on a run it tends to extend to around 260 miles or there about.
So now we have electric motorcycles but with stupid ranges of around 50 miles and very few people are buying them, those that do often are not normal bikers, however if you look at what Zero has done they have recognised the need for better range, which means their bikes are more likely to appeal to a biker than any of the others, but price is a big issue.
I better stop here as this posting is getting rather long.
Zero motorcycles are ugly as sin and until they make them cheaper and more pleasing to look at then it will continue to be a niche market.
italian volt sound like it will end up being about .9 volts but with lots of style
Hello, thanks for speaking your mind. The bike does look great, the technical part however, is expected to be decent too. For sure their company will need some time to market their invention, so it sells better. Once we start seeing more of these bikes on the street, we'd be able to judge how fast it can actually go.
These things are so expensive nobody can afford them..and the ones we can afford don't remove any fossil fuels. they replace regular bicycles
Ci projektanci nigdy chyba nie siedzieli na motocyklu tu chyba plus dla Chińczyków którzy robią konwersję spalinowych motocykli na elektryczne i nie starają się udziwniać lub wynajdować na nowo koła
But that fugly front end.....?
those bikes are going to blow up just like teslas too. so see you on the moon alice. oh by the way i hope you realize your getting ripped off on the mileage end because that bike should go 1000 miles on a charge but it doesn't. so you buy one get a step up generator and an bike battery and sell the battery on ebay to get you money back. If you don't what step up is then toooo baaaad.!!!!
Hello, thank you for your comment. Your comment got us to upset because you are retelling lots of myths about electric vehicles.
1) Do you take into account that you probably own at least two things that are battery operated and are closer to your body than a vehicle? Those are your cell phone and laptop. Those, as you stated, "blow up" as regularly as ICE tanks;
2) Can you please show us a regular bike that goes 1000 miles on a tank?
What's up with the fake gas tanks?
3:20 What was Bell Cycles thinking-of?! “Let’s make the ugliest bike possible”? Let’s just attach 2 pieces of luggage that contain batteries to the side of a Harley?!
Thanks for sharing your point of view. While the design choices may be controversial, their tech is quite impressive. At least they figured out how to make one of the longest lasting e-motorcycle setups out there.
Your going for the same design, try something diffrent look at bmw r1200gs The best selling bike at the moment with the size you could go for a bike battery pack, my round trip for work is 80 miles and at the weekend about 200 miles the first company to hits the 200 mile plus will be one to a winner
Hello, are you one of those bikers, who think that electric motorcycles shouldn't look different from regular ones?
No as over time everything evolves into something better, but look at these bike not one can hold a top box or panniers, not one is designed with a biker in mind, it's lab and computer's doing the work people who don't ride a bike, most bikers at a weekend will meet up with friends and will ride up to 200 miles in a day.
A car moves you , a bike will move your soul
There are bikes in this video with over 200 miles of range. We don't understand what you are trying to say here. They have the range, they are built by experts and they have unique looks. What's wrong?
200 miles plus show me where ???
Brutus v9, Ethec and Tacita T-Cruise have close or more 200 miles or range. If you watch our newer video about fastest electric motorcycles, you'll learn more about ZERO S ZF13.0 + POWER TANK, Lightning ls 218, STORM Wave and Sarolea Manx7 that also have over 150 miles of range.
Alta motor redshift.
No good at all, unless you take it in your house for charging.
As for saying finding a charging spot is easy in todays world I guess it really depends on where you live.
A basic charging spot could be found anywhere, depends on how well you are looking. Finding a fast charging spot does get tricky.
What you say depends on which country you live in and what part of that country you live in.
I live in London, and some parts have great charging facilities but if you live in a part of London that has absolutely no charging facilities within walking distance it becomes a real pain in the ass.
As I said I own a victrix, I would need to walk around two miles to the nearest charger and then it would cost me a fortune in charge time as the batteries on a victrix are slow to charge, so instead of that I use my gasoline motorcycle which I also have a fair distance to travel to get gasoline but it takes me around 5 minutes to refuel and I don't have walk two miles to get my bike once refueled.
To tie it in with the other post.
That bike does 140/160 to a tank of fuel around town but on a run does around 260/80 to a tank of fuel depending on how hard I ride it.
So you see the importance of a reasonable range.
On top of that the bike cost new less than 7 grand, can go 130 plus mph and is so reliable starts first time every time, and even to replace it today I could get an equally good motorcycle new off the shelf with extras for less than 7 grand which will do pretty much the same, but with greater range but less speed, depending on what I needed.
So you see the problem with these electric bikes is 1/ range is pretty much always crap.
2/ lack of charging ability.
3/ time it takes to charge.
4/ they never seem to have fairings.
5/ price is ridiculously high for what you are getting.
6/ too much innovation not enough presentation.
7/ reliability over time untested.
But even with all these failures, many people like myself would buy an electric motorcycle if three of these things could be addressed.
those three are 2/ lack of charging and 3/ time it takes to charge, and 5/ price for a reasonable range.
I bought my victrix to see just how difficult it would be for me to run an electric motorcycle I couldn't charge in my home, and it's impossible, simply put impossible.
How fast is your charging speed? Britain needs something like Tesla supercharging. Even if it did, I doubt that anyone but Elon musk could make such advanced tech. Are there any electronic bike manufacturers in the UK? Would be sad to see America being on top here.
EV zone
I think basically it comes down to this, the UK govt makes a lot of noise, they also put in a lot of rules and regulations including lots of ways to make you pay more for driving vehicles that pollute, but here's the rub, they are good at taking our money but useless at helping to promote innovation.
Hell even small EVs have to be registered as motorcycles, so we have small kick scooters with a 250 watt motor must be registered as a motorcycle which means it will cost you insurance Mots but you do get free road tax oddly enough the cheapest part of any vehicle to use on the road.
Technically even a child's electric scooter with a 100 watts motor is illegal in the UK unless registered as a motorcycle.
So when it comes to charging, unless you can take the vehicle in your house or you live on the ground floor or are lucky enough to live near a charger you are pretty much screwed, everywhere has yellow or red lines so you can't simply pull up and charge anywhere you will get a ticket.
So many of these bike car Videos using computerized voices why? to me no feel in the electric bikes because of this.
Hello, thank you for your feedback. We are not using any of that
@@Datacube Please explain the pauses when speaking in a sentence that is not s[apposed to be a pause? As interesting to me is human speaking is not like that. We speak fluently pause at full stops comers question marks. Also we have passion in our voices even if board. Listen to it again you will see what I mean. Thanks for the comment.
Emission free I don't think so ! Electricity is still generated from nuclear facilities and coal so charging bikes still uses electricity derived by using fossil fuel or nuclear power! Not to mention, what to do with spent batteries once they're spent! One trade off from another!
Bike price?
Hello, thank you for your interest. Some of these bikes are currently in the works but some of them are already available, so we included some of the prices in the introduction before every new bike, did you miss it?
Ok obviously Evoke is the best but still not enough range to make it viable, White ghost is a close follower to Evoke again a potentially good bike but range is poor and why would you want traction control on a bike? Unnecessary expense, this kind of thing is best left for super large motorcycles due to their weight not a small motorcycle that runs on batteries.
Hello, thanks for your feedback. They all run on batteries and it's only the matter of the battery size. Besides the range, we'd love to have as much features as possible. Like one tech blogger says, the more features - the better. If the company decides to drop some feature, it doesn't meant that they would drop the price. You keep mentioning the range, how much would you need the bike to have to make it "viable?"
A bike has to go at least 140 miles with a little left over for finding charging or in the case of a gasoline bike fuel.
A gasoline bike on a run will do over 200 miles to a tank, so on a run I would expect at least 140 miles to a charge with a little left over for finding charge.
Anything less and you need home charging or battery swap, but even with 140 miles you would still need fast charging to make it viable.
Motorcycles are not like cars, you ride jump off park up for a short time then ride more park up and so on, cars tend to drive get there park up for a long time then move on as they are usually shopping or taking in movie or whatever, bikes are riding often just for the fun of riding, so are used quite a bit differently to a car, unless it's a commuter in which case the bike would park up all day and plenty of time for charging.
You take a bike on a run you may stop off two or three times but only for a short time, 20 minutes here 30 minutes there but you wouldn't generally park up for two or three hours and especially not in the rain.
So as I said a minimum of 140 miles should be standard for all bikes with a little left over for finding charge.
My old bikes used to do pretty much that 140 miles to a tank at around 45 miles to the gallon, on a run it would be a bit more, but you always expected no less that 140 to a tank.
Our sincere apologies, we forgot to reply on time. We are working on new videos right now and found several smaller bikes and scooters that have removable and modular battery packs meaning that your bike has a core built in pack that cannot be removed, while other slots can be filled with optional battery packs. Several Asian countries are starting to test the battery sharing technology. So you come to the station, drop empty packs and pick up the charged ones. How would you describe the future of this approach?
We still think that fast charging is the key. If they could lower the charging time from 3 hours to 30 minutes, electric vehicles will start getting more fans.
Ok on the idea of battery swap I see one huge problem, when you buy a bike you pay for or rent your battery, if you rent the battery that's fine but in some countries renting a battery is off putting just look what happened to the twizy, nice machine very few sales, once they went over to selling the battery it was too late they lost people's interest.
So here is the problem, you buy your bike you buy your battery, you go to the station with your brand new battery to swap it out and in return for your brand new battery you end up with something that is old and not exactly the same level as your brand new battery, now you go back to another station and you guessed it more old batteries, while someone else is running around with your nice brand new battery.
Not only that making sure all the batteries are fully charged may become an issue if the service becomes popular.
By far the best solution is to have a removable battery yes, but have the battery so it can be extended in range by purchasing extra modules, even a back pack module bag could be produced, or a fairing module holder.
There are many ways to extend a bikes range by added extra battery packs, but the thing that needs to be addressed is the cost.
Like I said before I have a victrix and it is a really nice bike but the batteries are a ridiculous price, and you can't swap out the battery so it hardly ever gets any use, one simple change to the design would mean I would be riding electric instead of gasoline now, but it sits in my garage doing nothing other than gathering dust.
So think of this, imagine you had a bike that had a range of 100 miles, but you had very little room for adding extra batteries cos the bike is small, what would be the best way to extend the range using lithium batteries, simple several ways, make available to buy an extended range plug in top box or tank bag or back pack you set into the design a socket that you take you lead from your back pack and plug it into the bike which then allows you to either extend the range or bypass the main battery altogether.
Not only that but by producing an extender range back pack you could make use of that with all types of bikes even those that don't have removable batteries.
Might need to produce an upgrade kit depending on the type of bike but it all has potential to make extra money and make people happier with their products, it just needs to be safe and worth the effort carrying it.
I reckon the average male could easily carry a battery pack on their back that could extend the range of a bike by half the original bikes range but that would need to be tested.
It also allows for easy charging plus also produce a range of fast or rapid home chargers.
This posting could go on a lot longer but I think I have outlined a huge potential not only for the bikes these guys produce but systems like I have said could actually go to servicing bikes they don't produce.
For that price I can get 3 gx10000
I like the idea of an electric motorcycle but 20 000 € for a bike that is ugly with a poor range, that's not possible... when you know that with 14 300 € you can get a brand new BMW S1000R 2018... While the manufacturers can't make a good looking, 300km (186 miles) range bike with at least 80hp (60kW) for less than 10 000€ (11 500$), most people won't consider buying E-bikes.
Hello, thank you for your comment. Although the things that you are saying make sense, you are being a bit harsh and unfair to electric motorcycles. ICE bikes had decades to develop, while most of ebike manufacturers haven't even been 10 years around. Also you don't take into consideration the fact that electric motors are more reliable than ICE and offer some performance benefits, as well as lower running costs. Finally, isn't Zero SR good looking?
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, english isn't my native language so my vocabulary isn't actually developped. I know that ebikes manufacturers are new and that we can't expect a lot of their products for now (that's why you shouldn't buy ebikes for the moment, which is what I was saying in my first comment). Maybe they are more reliable but who knows ? they are new so we don't have any experience of them. Performance benefits ? Even if ebikes have a great acceleration, they are so expensive that you could buy a more powerfull bike for less. The Zero SR isn't ugly but I personally don't like this futuristic-naked-ish style (and sadly, the Zero SR is the best looking eBike). eBikes is a good idea but it needs a bit of time before being attractive (but that's only my point of view, I respect yours ^^). Moreover, I love my clutch, shifting gears and the sweet sound of the engine. So if I switch for ebikes, it would be reluctantly... except if it's really worth it which is not for the moment...
As consumers we have to understand that new technology just doesn't fall out of the sky. If companies are putting money into the development of electric bikes, they will have to recoup their investment by selling the products. So suggesting that we shouldn't buy electric motorcycles now is a bit wrong. If no one buys them, then manufacturers will stop developing them. Now speaking of the clutch and shifting gears, we've had a fun conversation with one of our viewers and we prompted him to visit a local ebike dealership and sign up for a test ride. His feedback was more than positive, you can look through the comments. So electric motorcycles on paper and in reality differ greatly. You just have to try them out.
Maybe I'd like ebikes but, I'm a college student, I can't afford a 20 000 € bike. I know that the manufacturers need to sell products to make money for the research but I'm not rich, I can't put 20K€ in a prototype-ish bike for one reason ; I don't have 20K€ and if I had those, I would never use them for a bike, electric or not (like most people I think). If you're rich then go ahead and buy a Zero SR, I'm sure it's a very good bike.
Please note that in this video we shared only the most powerful and upcoming bikes. There are more reasonably prices models, like Zero S (>$11,000) or Evoke Urban S (>$8,000).
What I don't understand is why can't they build one that will charge the batteries as your riding I know it is possible but they don't do this what is holding back the electric car and motorcycle is the distance you can travel with out recharge it's stupid and we are steal letting big oil and bought off government to hold us down it's wrong and we shouldn't stand for it because the electric car isn't at all new technology it's been around since the very early days of cars I think the mid 30s or earlier magnetic motors work there real we are letting a few rule over us and gain more money when is it enough hydrogen generators can be used to power the cars we have now and best thing you can build one your self when is it enough money why do they need more when they own every thing now stand up fight for your kids kids your self your next door neighbor you your self we do not need gasoline any more
Hello, thanks for the feedback. Many bikes are restoring some of the charge on the go. This generation feature can be used only to restore excess power and cannot work all the way through the ride. You are right, the electric vehicle technology has been around for a long time but it's the batteries that are the weak spot, not the electric motors. Scientists and engineers are struggling to make compact batteries that will last for long and still be able to charge quickly.
That first piece of shit was designed by someone that doesnt have a clue about what makes bikes sell.
who can beat that i can cut you all a check on just the value thru me owning my accounts that are at new york stock exchange making me zillions of dollars i can get a loan on just the value ,pay it back in 15 minutes and hand you a check for all you made and companies value with you oweing nothing ,its nothing that can beat that, why wait impress me like im trying to do to you for just the quality of volts and etc.
The range and prices are prohibitive.. not to mention most of them are ugly as hell!
Hello, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Don't they look like regular motorcycles? The makers of these bikes even keep the shape of regular motorcycles, the shape of gas tank and everything. There are even people here writing that they want different designs for electric bikes and that they should look different from the gas ones.
Ethec bike should rotate de front fork, it looks awfull like that!
Hello, thanks for your comment. We've had discussions with several viewers about design, so in this context we just have to ask... Do you think that electric motorcycles should look the same or different from ICE ones?
Hate the computer voice !
What shit video, to awesome bikes! Sprechen Sie Deutsche? Machen wir es Deal, Sie machen das Dialoge auf Deutsche, mach ich es auf Englisch, was meinen Sie? Horror😉😜👍
More overpriced plastic!
give me enough money and we will make better than mentioned above..
Hello, thanks for your comment. That's a very bold statement, do you have a working prototype already?
@@Datacube planning to make one. But i still dony have the right equipments and fund. But hope soon i can make one for my self family and friends..^_^
@@Datacube the advantage of DIY and production made usaully, DIY can make it much better , because we will fit every best components into one piece. While production the tend to make affordability and mass production. Dyi will refine every smallestflaw they can see. But production will keep it as is and try to fix it for another version so user will buy new one.^_^
Ather 450
Hey there, thanks for leaving your comment. Ather 450 is not a motorcycle, is it?
@@Datacube Ather 450 is a smart scooter.. it's just like telsa. Ather 450 has 4kw mid drive Motor 50Ah 51VDC battery... 110km range and 85kmh top speed. With touch screen, reverse mode - parking assistance, GPS navigation, smart Lock, tracking, 3g, disk brake, space for large helmet...
Thanks for the reply. We are familiar with this product because we are currently working on a video about electric scooters.
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Here in India , Ather 450, TVS Ceron and Tork T6X are most popular on waiting list.....
Thanks for the suggestion. We have just made a video, where Ather is featured. Have you watched it yet?
How ugly the first one looks😣
Hello, thanks for your comment. Some may say ugly, some may say futuristic. The concept of beauty is subjective, isn't it?
all models are ugly!!! except evoke, but it's too small
Hello, thanks for your comment. Are you more fascinated by the looks or the tech that is offered by a motorcycle?
stopped watching.....can't stand that computer voice!
APSURDO
Hello, thanks for your comment. What language is this?
It's American Typo