As a kid, we actually had one of the Apollo capsules in the park near my house. We used to love trying to peek inside until some knuckleheads decided it was "too dangerous" for kids to clamber around on and it was removed. The entire neighborhood was named after astronauts, Cooper Ct/Cernan Ct/Glenn Trail/White Trail/etc. Growing up there was what got me into everything space related, and that enthusiasm has carried thru my entire life.
Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins are also immortalized in the Pennsylvania area of Exeter, UK. It is a typical 1970's housing estate, so nothing special.
golden comment right there. Almost worthy of inclusion on Voyager's "Golden Record", but not quite because if dangerous aliens listen to it, the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of "let's just annihilate them and ask questions later" would be "this species has terribly annoying insurance companies!"
If Eagle is still orbiting, it would be a worthy mission to go link up with it and check out the material condition. When Columbia jettisoned it, it was holding cabin pressure. It would be interesting to see how much pressure it was still holding. If there is still air in it, I wonder how corroded/decayed things would be inside.
@@killemtoenjoythesilence You can't really decontaminate humans so every manned spacecraft has a bunch of microbes in it. Some of them can survive for long periods of time without food or even oxygen.
@@zed7038 agreed. I wasn't meaning to discredit your comment. I was more so discrediting my silly reaction to your comment. When I read it, for some reason a venom like creature composed of irradiated human cells popped to mind. 🤣 I'm sure you were meaning some type of microbial or bacterial life possibly in hibernation. That would also be great.
Scott Manley didn't miss his calling as a science teacher; he just does it on UA-cam! Well done, Scott; I learn something new from nearly every one of your videos. You have restored my sense of wonder about the universe we live in and that's a truly special gift. Thank you.
The internet managed to track down a Minecraft seed using a single low resolution screenshot. I wonder if we could harness that power to track down the Ascent Module around the moon or if there are any undocumented crash sites in LRO data
I find the idea that Eagle is still in orbit around the Moon rather poignant ...I remember as a kid in 1969 the excitement and hope at the time . It would be amazing if they could retrieve it.
However, even if retrieved, which in itself would be a fantastic, probably somewhat dangerous feat, but probably feasible, there would be no reasonable way to return it to Earth. It has ability to survive anything but space itself. Still, it could be captured in lunar orbit and examined there, including a visit, or at least remotely controlled cam and sensors. I doubt it would be worth the risk of sending someone back into it. Not that much to learn that remote methods couldn't provide, and some potentially very high risk possibilities in what is effectively an almost unknown craft now that it's been up there for 50 years.
Damn, this is really awesome. I've always assumed that the lunar module was long gone with the only hope being Apollo 10, but knowing that Apollo 11 could still be in orbit is crazy.
@@bigal1863 Unfortunately not - 15, 16, and 17 (I think) were intentionally deorbited for science, and the impact craters of 12 and 14 have been found. So only 11 has a chance of having survived.
This just may be the coolest video you've ever made! I never pondered this type of thing until KSP took over my brain. Now, I cant stop. It's great to find that someone is making this technical info available. Thank you so much.
Watching it in full screen 2:48 is that fleeting moment when you think Teamviewer has taken over your computer. But seriously,an impressive explanation even if it left me behind after a short while,watching it at the end of a tiring working day. I wouldn't pretend to have understood it all (yet) but I'm glad it appeared in my recommendations.
The internet is quite a marvel, isn't it? Telling NASA the Lunar Module is still alive, solving cold cases all around the world, identifying people in images years after they were taken, saving people's lives from health hazards in their homes despite the internet people never having seen it in person, its a place full of good, bad, ugly but also the surprisingly genuine and the variably smart.
I would actually put Eagle next to the Wright Flyer. 🙂 I have just recently learned that parts of the Wright Flyer went to the Moon with Neil Armstrong, have flown on the shuttle and that some of the Flyer's fabric is attached to the _Ingenuity_ helicopter on Mars. 👍 to NASA personnel for keeping that linkage. 🙂
Doesn't Columbia (the command module) already sit in there? (Although I know they're refurbishing everything at the moment). They could be reunited after 50+ years!
Although it would be one of those "one in a million" scenarios, it is also possible that small or even micro meteors would have impacted the ascent stage during the past 50 years, imparting unknown forces on the stage at some random angle/vector... Making the orbit even harder to model. Still though this is a very good hypothesis and I think it is worth follow up
Why 'one in a million' ? each ascent stage came up to orbit to dock with the CSM and let the astronauts get back into the command module. Then detached and (presumably) the CSM just used orientation thrusters to back gently away.... no particular reason then to crash the ascent stages, so I don't see why all six should not still be there ( 11,12,14,15,16,17 ). All went down - all came back up.
@@geekswithfeet9137 I did read that low lunar orbits encounter additional 'drag' from micro-dust particles the closer you get to the surface. I'm also curious what the extended affect of the solar wind, which ebbs and flows, over 50-odd years may have on the orbit. Maybe 50 years isn't long enough for these chaotic affects to make a noticable difference.
@@johnbidwell2393 I love that this video and some comments just assume a knowledge of chaotic effects, large dependence on initial conditions etc. It's one of my favourite things and it's nice to see it in these videos and comments. Of course, it might have been hit by a bigger meteorite and just exploded as well. Large dependence on big-rock-impact! :-)
First Starship mission to the moon: Pull a "You Only Live Twice", stuff Eagle into the cargo bay, and bring it home. Edit: Wow I think this is now my highest upvoted thing on the entire internet. Can we compromise and just get a museum in stable lunar orbit and make this the centerpiece?
Chances are that all of the air would have leaked out by now. Then bringing it back to Earth would cause it to collapse like an aluminum beer can, unless they somehow pressurized it before re-entry.
@@Geerice Sure, but that would require either an EVA or an airlock into the cargo bay in order to open it. Not sure if Starship will have that capability on it's first flights.
Scott's interpretation of this statement is wonderful and represents exactly the mindset of empowered fascination and curiosity that should be taught in schools.
@Captain Harlock I am absolutely amazed at how so many people still believe that 50 year old propaganda. I mean about half the people who "watched it live" realized it was propaganda way back then. Now we got a bunch of preteen acting young "adults" who will DIE believing that fairytale. Mind boggling. About time for a great reset I'm thinking.
I think your idea that possibly a ruptured tank or something might have changed it’s orbit quite possible. 50 years is quite a long time. Would be awesome if it was there and it could be captured and returned to earth. I think bringing back the lunar rover would be awesome, give us a huge understanding of what the effects of large periods of time in space under the harsh temperatures and radiations cause on objects such as that.
yea, considering the issues of micrometeor frags and the like, Im doubting there is anything pressurized onboard. But that said, any pressure loss from a strike would cause an automatic inertia component that would likely alter the orbit for better or worse.
That woiuld hgave to be one helluva vent. Avent would more likely causwe the LM to hit gimbal lock and an uncontrolled spin.There are really only 2 options. Reach esdcape velocity into the great beyond or impact the asurface. As he said, the elliiptical orbit would degrade with every close pass. With no means of increasing a stable velocity, each pass would get closer until prang, HELLO mOON..Imo.
Can't see how a ruptured tank would change the orbit, unless its contents leave the spacecraft. But why would it? Space is a vacuum so it should all travel at the same speed whatever happens to it. Maybe I'm wrong there, I dunno.
just subscribed. A bit of minor note: at 1:20 into the video is shown the lander blasting off from it's support structure. In the late '60's my Father machined pieces of that structure. He was proud of that throughout his life. A career tool/die man and machinist, he was brilliant. I remember watching all that as an 8 year old. Great stuff, and you have a brilliant mind.
machining stuff for space is super interesting, working with space grade alloys and getting the perfect precision and surface finish so everything goes according to plan. I can't think of something more worth being proud of
@@xymaryai8283 I worked for about a year in a big shop doing work for Ball, Ford, Martin-Marietta and Coors aerospace. We made space ship parts but the names were redacted on the blueprints.
SaltyTate, thanks for the comment. I was blessed with a good sense a humor and needed that laugh. But no, he didn’t dabble in paper. I’m really not sure exactly what parts he made, I think it had to do with the landing gantry. He’s long passed now. He also built critical parts for the B1 bomber as well as other aircraft. I’ve heard similar comments over the years, it doesn’t bother me at all. Take care and carry on.
It is really sad that only Buzz is left from the Apollo 11 crew. Michael Collins and Neil Armstrong are gone. Getting old and watching your heros die really sucks. Aldrin, Collins and Armstrong took part in one of, if not the most important missions in the history of mankind. We will always remember and honor them, but it just sucks that these amazing dudes aren't around anymore.
Around 1971 or 72 our high school math club acquired a teletype computer (terminal) with punched paper tape for storage of programs, and it ran BASIC. The only reason I joined the Math Club was to learn to write, run and play with simple programs. We came across Lunar Lander and down loaded it. To run even the most basic programs we had to connect long-distance over the phone (modem) to a UNIVAC mainframe at the university 90 miles away. We were restricted to after-hours and a certain number of hours per week due to cost to the school. Somehow one of the students figured how to bypass the password system, and we got unlimited use. It was so much fun! There were no graphics capabilities, only data inputs and outputs (initial speed and altitude, retrorocket burn rate and time, and remaining fuel. We mostly created a lot of new craters!) A year or two later I took a summer course for HS students at the local university to learn FORTRAN programming (with teletype punch cards and reams of paper). My study group chose a final project to write a program for Battleship, and print out the moves on a giant plotter. Such technological advancements!
...and here we are 50 short years later filling huge servers with petabytes of mind numbing, mostly worthless information at terabyte speeds! What was that Mr. Dylan? "The times they are a-changin'?"
Fascinating! I always take great pride when someone talks about the Apollo missions. My grand father helped design the hydraulics for stage separation. The thought that the Eagle is still flying is amazing. Especially in a time where NASA has trouble with advanced computers getting a rocket off the ground to return to the moon.
@Ronnie Lee Excellent question (about the accent). Excellent answer: the camera was mounted on the landing craft and set to run as the module blasted off: NASA didn't call on Moon-dwellers to perform camera duties. They simply mounted a camera on the Descent Stage of the Lunar Module and pointed it at the steps. That giant leap was relayed live to NASA and TV viewers all over the world via receiving stations on Earth. Let me guess Ronnie, you know the people who set the bombs in the World Trade Center-faking the results of the planes crashing into them? Get REAL bro.
@@aidanacebo9529 VERY cool! As a Long Islander, I've known a lot of people who worked for Grumman but never heard any of them talk about the LM program.
@@leonardothefabulous3490 is that where those are? I knew that side of the family was from NY but I had no idea where. they never talked about it. I got my dad to spill he was born in buffalo though. that's about it. I'm sure they didn't stay there long. I'm not sure when, but I know it was before he was 10 that they all moved to Florida. grandpa was a WWII vet and brought back some pretty rough baggage. he claimed he was a peacekeeper after the war, but a peacekeeper doesn't bring home a Kai-Gunto navy katana, a flag, a couple helmets, and enough PTSD to leave him swinging by a tie in the closet. my dad found him, really screwed him up at age 4 or 5. he was a good dad though. miss him. died of a heart attack a few years back.
I think The Mars Society has a spin-off project called Mars-VR which would allow rovers and drones to send data back to earth, and citizen scientists could walk through, review and vote on artefacts requiring closer inspection. Greater access is exciting.
I think he added that because I have been seeing a lot more anti space stuff from people online recently in the wake of bezos and branson making their launches. My view is that I'd rather billionaires spend their dragon hoards on getting more humans into space instead of on mega-mega-yachts or whatever it is they do normally.
“They went through a lot of iterations coming up with the perfect shape to give them the most volume, the best windows, and [a design that] wouldn’t kill anyone onboard,” said the astrophysicist Scott Manley in a private video shared with the Guardian. “And this is the shape they came up with, this dome shape.” you've made the news in the UK 🇬🇧👏
@@frankmcnally01 No one cares about what you think Frank. You aren't going to sway anybody's opinion here. So maybe you should either stop trolling, or hang out with your own kind. You will be less miserable. Everyone will be happier.
This is truly why the Internet was invented. Smart, fun, insightful, and leaves you with a sense of positive all. Keep up the outstanding work. I have shared this on Facebook.
I agree with you all expect the part about going to the moon for real. Ya'll know that was fake and NASA can not be trusted. At least they do great animations. Do we have real photo evidence of the old ascent module's? By other satilites or powerful earth telescopes?
The Internet was created to maintain command and control in the event of a nuclear holocaust or other catastrophic event. They plan on sending you a tax bill regardless of what happens!
Nat geo is a really low bar. Anything that gets shown on television is. That was true 10 years ago, and it's even more true now. To say Scott Manley surpasses that is an understatement. ZeFrank surpasses that bar, for crying out loud. How odd that crowdsourced hobbyists would be better than the most expensive platforms and media giants.
As much as I 💕 that idea....I'd rather put that 💰 towards other space exploration n experiments 🥼🧪 for the aid n benefit of all mankind.... AKA Earth 🌎 🌍
@Ronnie Lee If only you'd done a quick google search to find out how the lunar ascents were filmed, you wouldn't have ended up making yourself look like an ignorant fool. On the Apollo 15,16 and 17 missions, there was a remotely controlled video camera fitted to each of the lunar rovers. At the end of the missions, the rovers were placed at a suitable distance from each of the landing sites so that the camera (remotely controlled from earth) could film the lunar ascent back into the moon's orbit to re-dock with the command module.
Imagine finding it, in almost pristine condition and peering through the window. What would you see? Armstrong and Aldrins trash? A few flight manuals floating around? Imagine powering it back up after all these years. (If even possible) The lights flickering to life, once again. A snapshot of an era, perfectly preserved. The last people to occupy the cabin, to live in it, work in it, legendary. Just knowing it might still be orbiting the moon, is exciting! It got them all the way down to the surface and all the way back up to orbit. Now, it will forever orbit that which it came to visit. A testament to human ingenuity. A symbol of how high and far we can reach when we put our minds to the task. A lonely monument, destined to outlast it’s creators. Let Eagle remain in orbit. But at least, let us have some new pictures of her in flight!
Like Al Revels mentioned there would probably be bags of biological trash floating around. I am very interested in how it is now, you are a good writer, thanks Thomas. I also agree that it should just be left in orbit if it's still there.
The ascent stage for Apollo 16 LM Orion was meant to be intentionally deorbited but a missed circuit breaker meant NASA ground controllers were unable to control the stage and command it to deorbit. It would be interesting to see someone plug its last known orbital elements into that program and see where it ended up.
@@veramae4098 The crew was tired, under a time limit, and several pages of the checklist were either omitted or changed due to the altered flight plan (they left lunar orbit a day early) and in their haste something got missed. Instead of holding attitude like it was supposed to, Orion just started slowly tumbling after it was cut loose. Apollo 16 was a flight full of headaches and not being able to deorbit Orion after discarding it was just another cherry on the cake.
It's one thing to send an empty vessel to recover it but it's something very different to return it intact. It was only ever intended to be a single purpose vehicle so no provision was ever made to it in order to recapture it. There is no easy way to grab hold of it, nothing to fasten to and no base for it to sit on when it's being returned. It would be severely damaged by gravity, restraining and handling because it wasn't designed to be recaptured and retuned.
@@ian-c.01 if it still survives, could we use a docking port the same as the ascent stage on starship and have a crew dock it? And with gentle acceleration keep in LEO?
I think it could be a good target for the Radar team, Forgot the name of the project but they were planning to use Ground based Radar to track the NEOs so they experimented on moon so they were able to accurately track and find orbit for LRO and as a test they also were able to find Chandrayan of ISRO which was lost a year after it entered lunar orbit so i think they could do Eagle and others too as Chandrayan was very small
As a kid of 14 years old when they landed on the moon, when the pieces of "moonrock" came over from the USA for schools to look at, I actually held a small piece in my hand, and as I am now nearly 68, I have never forgotten that magical feeling while at Harry Cheshire Sec Modern school in 1970/71. To think that piece of rock had travelled over a quarter of a million miles to sit in my 15 year old hand. How amazing is that ? To me, its still mind boggling 😲
You just held a piece of rock from here, not there. Go look up either Switzerland or the Netherlands proving the same a few years ago. No one goes to space. All rockets are simply helium-filled dirigibles that go up 20 miles, make a 90° turn, then fall into their ocean graveyards.
@@pointzerotwo Amazing… every word of what you just said was wrong. Not a single Moon rock that NASA handed out has ever been proven to be anything but what they claimed. That is a fact. Every single geologist or mineralogist who has ever examined any lunar sample agrees that it is not of this world.
@@the18thdoctor3 You can’t prove one word of what you wrote. So your claim that Mr Weaver is wrong is itself WRONG. I remember those times myself well & the excitement. You don’t know anything about that time; it shows. We lived it; we read every book & magazine available on space flight & spacecraft, as all space nerds did. We knew all the details of every Mercury, Gemini & Apollo flight; the different rockets; the capsules, & the Soviet programme. The remains of the Apollo missions can be seen on photos taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter occasionally. Even a lunar rover left! I’m sorry you missed all that experience; But the current idea of simply denying something ever happened & then it didn’t, doesn’t work in Real Life, with Real People- not with Elections, or Moon Landings. We went to the moon in 1969 & continued to do so, sending 6 Apollos & 24 astronauts to the surface of the moon. Undeniable facts.
@@patkennedy2620 I was not replying to Mr. Weaver, but rather to a Moon landing denier who has since deleted their comment. Please re-read my comment, I was affirming the legitimacy of the Moon landings.
This is really incredible that these tools are available, and I’m incredibly glad that people are making good use out of them! Perhaps if we find Eagle, we can send a cargo starship out to bring her home.
@edwong3 Probably more, like a long ways north of $750M. TO say nothing of the risk to human life getting the job done, unless it could be done robotically. One thing for sure, we have to find it first, and so far, no luck with that. Not even a hint - like an impact crater, or a radar blip.
My dad worked at TRW in the late 60s, including work on Apollo 11. I've got mission reports and charts at home that I collected while he was there. Mercury and Gemini stuff too. Maybe some of it could be useful to answer questions like this?
8:14 for those that don't know astronomical terminology 'perturbing forces' pretty much means slight orbital changes in velocity due to gravitation to those other celestial bodies (earth and sun).
@@anzaca1 if it is still in orbit, it may yet see that orbit decay and crash. Catching it before that happens, if it hasn't yet happened, would be saving an amazing piece of history.
@@commerce-usa especially twenty two years later. Would be interesting to at least see if it's covered in a thin layer of cosmic dust or had any micrometeorite impacts.
Anyone but NASA would NEVER be given permission to even get in an orbit close to it. NASA has already made it VERY clear to all other organizations to not come within several kilometers of Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 on the Lunar surface, I highly doubt the ascent stage would be any different.
"Sea Level" on Earth is what we call the geodetic datum. But every body in hydrostatic equilibrium has one. And if you expand the definition a bit to allow nongeoid shaped things like asteroid rubble piles and space rocks, you can even define one for them, too.
Scott, I really do appreciate your final conclusion today. Experience and insight created by one’s own studies will last for decades if not the whole life,
I'm way past the point that I could consider further education or a career in the field of astronomy/astrophysics, but it was so cool to see that NASA provides a free program for anyone to just tinker with values and learn about space flight planning. This has to get a lot more attention at schools and it can provide many young talented kids with a study and career into this field.
Neat "thing" to try and figure out. Thank you Scott. I like the focus on freely available tools and datasets, especially lately. I'm quite positive that you are helping to motivate folks to try their hand at data science through astronomy and physics.
This is an amazing opportunity for people to explore and learn. I didn’t know these programs were available. I’ll let my grandkids know about this. Great video.
@@frankmcnally01 >real history. Care to give any examples? Like say... How Humans are actually aliens that the Galactic Confederacy ruler Xenu/Xemu rounded up, froze, then dumped (via DC-8-like spaceships) in Hawaii's Volcanoes on Earth (aka Teegeeack) then nuked, that turned into "Spirits" 75 million years ago, and said Evil Alien Ruler is why you feel sad? By the way that's an actual religion people believe in, and spend a fortune on. It's called Scientology. They'll SWEAR it's real, but you know it isnt. You're gonna tell me that they spent more money faking a moon landing with tech they dont have, even though the PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ENGINEERING IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO IT, and it'd be overall far easier to do for real, than fake? You're also telling me Russia wouldnt call America on it's bullshit if they did fake it? You know telescopes strong enough to look at the moon existed back then, right? Russia would 100% fucking blast "The capitalist dogs lied about their feat to look better than us" and rub it in America's face the entire time, and then land on the Moon for real, just to spite America, and prove they did. Tell me how the moon landing was actually faked in 1969 if it's fake.
Kind of related, many many years ago (1970's) the Gemini 12 re-entry capsule was on display at MOTAT (Museum of Transport and Technology) in Auckland New Zealand, the capsule door was open but had a perspex cover over it and they had a walkway so you could climb up and look inside, I got to go see it a few times I can remember as a young boy being absolutely amazed by it, it's a highlight in my childhood memories. I believe it was returned to the US a long time ago now.
LOVE the message here!! I too started out my interest in space science by using open source astronomical data processing tools and associated data and highly recommended it to anyone.
What they could eventually do, once we have a permanent base on the moon, is get multiple smaller autonomous unmanned rocket craft to match its speed, grab onto it with robotic arms, and use retro rockets to slow it down and gently land it. Then transport it to the site of the landing, and put it back onto the descent module, and that location can be one if the big space tourism locations!
Correct me if I'm wrong but if they ever captured this and brought it back to Earth, would it not be the longest direct exposure to space of any man made object that has returned? The scientific data alone would be worth bringing this back for. Then, after all the analysis put it in the Air and Space Museum as the centerpiece of it's collection.
It would be extremely difficult not only to capture it, but above all make it reenter the atmosphere. More realistically, it could be possible to intercept it, enter into it and take samples that could be analysed on earth
America’s second satellite, Vanguard 1, was launched into space on March 17, 1958. And although that was about six months after the Soviet's Sputnik satellite, it still remains in orbit - more than 60 years later. Whereas the Apollo 11 lunar module has been on the surface of the Moon since 20, July, 1969.
@@rogermouton2273 no possible mission has no scientific value, but yeah i agree. leave it in orbit, it isn't contributing to any space debris problems that we should fix before then, and if possible it should be maintained as a space borne single item museum. leave it be, maybe study how the materials held up over long periods of space exposure, but not much more. certainly do not take things from it to sell as souvenirs lmao
I know the module is very small, and the area of the moon surface is very large in comparison, but the orbit would be restricted to quite a narrow band, around which the craft would travel several times a day. The command modules of Apollo's 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 would have occupied pretty much the same area, so five pilots would have had plenty of opportunity to encounter it. Especially when in the shadow on the far side, if the angles were right, there would have been odd glints of sunlight from an orbiting metal structure to attract their attention. It's a long shot, but unlikely coincidences do occur.
@hognoxious That's because it's not there. You're 100% right. If it were there, and we could go back, then 100% you bet they'd know where it is 24/7. Why don't people use critical thinking skills any more?
That's fantastic. I'm an old aerospace engineer, myself, and I must say this analysis (by James Meador) is incredibly cool. The point you make, that space is for everyone, is so true. And it's true for lots of areas of engineering, including AI. It's a consequence of living in the age of information - a great time to be alive.
Hello this is the Lunar Parking Enforcement. We have been trying to contact the rightful owner of (1) Lunar Assent Module, illegally parked in low orbit with a license plate of EAGLE. To have the parking shoe removed. Please remit your payment of your fine and 51 years of interest, in person to your local lunar office; before your vehicle is impounded then crushed into a cube and sold as scrap. You have 5 earth years to comply. Have a nice day.
Hello officer, I’ve got a new ride in the meantime and have no plans in returning anytime soon. You may keep the one I left behind 51 years ago, or do anything to it as you may deem appropriate. Regards, your friendly Earthling.
I remember when I was child finding the Titanic was a major story, to find the Eagle someday would be even more remarkable. Probably impossible to bring back to Earth, but just imagine being able to look at it up close in a museum and think “that’s the vehicle that the first humans to set foot somewhere outside planet Earth stepped out of.”
Wouldn't be impossible, would require a new spacecraft to be designed, some kind of external shielding would have to be created to be attached for it to survive re-entry, or it would have to be taken into another spacecraft.
Someone should write and article called: "Does Betteridge's Law hold?" Turns out, not necessarily... (LOL makes my head hurt) Thanks for the nudge @RyanRising I looked it up and learned question headlines at rare and more often than not answered yes
@@timburdette3556 Which goverment? The one's who did do the landings or all the other powers in the world that stood to gain to prove that they failed?
interesting content . my grandfather was one of the men who was on the build team on the guidance system of Apollo 11. it be neat to see if it was still up there a piece of my grandfather so to speak . wish he was still with us .
I just love the ingenuity used to get us to the moon. Its crazy to think that our phones, today, have a lot more computing power than the computer used to land on the moon. What is even crazier is that the code the computer on the lunar lander used was WOVEN into the craft.
@@robertthomas5906 haha yes, yes it is! Also - whatever Lola wants, Lola gets! Which was another reason she was called Lola, because that song is pretty epic ❤️
I have three children: My firstborn daughter is named "Nea Aurora" - new aurorae, or a new day's dawn. - But she *IS* also NEA, Near Earth Asteroid. (Also, she was born on the very same day, when NEAR Shoemaker probe inserted into orbit around near-earth asteroid Eros!! We learned about this only long time afterwards. Talk about coincidence...) My second child, a son, is named "Leo Seppo Ilmari": "Leo" after the constellation of Leo, "Seppo Ilmari" makes a reference to blacksmith 'Ilmari' of Finnish mythology Kalevala - But he *IS* also LEO, Low Earth Orbit. (I promise you, while we decided to name all our children after things in the sky, before they were born, we *never* thought of those abbreviations until they flashed into my mind when he was about two years old...) And our third child - well, she is named Stella Nova... (Currently, as a teenager, she can be quite explosive...)
I love the idea that somewhere in space, our equipment is quietly gliding around, so long after the earth is gone, these bits of kit will still be travelling through space.
@@basedbear1605 oh really? Then what are all these files of humanity landing on the moon i stored in my archive at my homeworld Hmm? Tell me i didn't make that up My people didn't celebrate that achievement when we heard about it 50 years ago So what? Am i gonna need to throw out all that? No! Because i know You're trolling You can't effect my hope You can't effect imagination either You are just in denial
@@seantaggart7382 Listen to yourself and how twisted your mind has become. Absolutely amazing! Your homeworld? Are you from Mars or something? LOL @ you! Nothing I said was trolling, I just pointed out an easily provable lie. Nothing you have on your "archive" is real, Stanley Kubrick admitted on film that it was all a hoax. But nothing that I say will convince you because you've been brainwashed to believe lies. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance!
Maybe they're in an unstable orbit around the moon. You should ask NASA if they can look for them when they decide to recover Apollo11's ascent stage. Or maybe you can reach out to Musk on twitter.
I wonder, does this modeling include the change in momentum from the release of Columbia? They weren't using explosive bolts or anything, so the force wouldn't be too high, but it might still have influenced Eagle's orbit past the point of the last telemetry data
Me at the beginning of the video: “He’s going to explain that Eagle’s orbit decayed because of lumpy looney lunar gravity.” Me at the end of the video: “My mind has been opened significantly.”
Wow, Montecarlo simulation applied to orbits! Thank you Mr. Manley - it would be fantastic if one day we could recover the ascent module of the Apollo 11 LEM...
@R Voit If an object is orbiting the moon, it will continue to orbit unless something is going to cause its orbit to decay. The orbit of the space station around the earth decays by several meters a day due to atmospheric drag, but because the moon has no atmosphere, anything in orbit will continue to remain in orbit. Incidentally, the Webb telescope would never be tasked with trying to find the module anyway, so that part of your argument is irrelevant and bogus.
Thanks Scott, for telling us about GMAT and other interesting software that Nasa has made available. Perhaps it's an idea for an episode dedicated to publicly available Nasa software?
@@manlymcmanface9932 First we have to find it. Fortunately we know the inclination is low, so it should be very easy to detect if it's still there and mostly intact. A small probe in retrograde orbit could probably find it easily, or at least some pieces of it if it blew up.
I think it would be tougher than it looks to get it home without squashing it. Starship gives a lot of transverse loading that I'm not sure the Eagle was designed for. Not only would you have to attach a stage adapter to it, you might need some kind of rotating platform or structural reinforcement to keep it from flattening during entry and landing.
@@user-pb4hh1jk3f Indeed. I agree, it may need to be supported by a rotating platform so that the acceleration loads are always axial. This can probably be just free swinging with friction dampening to keep things simple. It probably also needs to be actively pressurized above ambient pressure throughout the descent to maintain rigidity. Fortunately that can probably be handled through the docking port. The mechanism to secure it through descent would probably grab it on top and bottom using an apollo erra docking node and conical insert that fits in the engine bell. These are challenges, but not insurmountable challenges. It can be done.
Very Exciting Scott ! Maybe they'll take on the task of re location as a priority when we eventually return to near Lunar orbit ? Fascinated with the irregular gravitational effects of moon and it's impact on locating voids, craters and sites of resources for later trips to use in a lunar base perhaps ?
Your bar for achievement is extremely low. What's the achievement? Some mouse clicks on a computer and information gathering to still not answer the question that cause him to proceed to begin with? You must be from the "everyone gets a trophy" crowd.
Think about this: Since there is no atmosphere on the moon, an object in a decaying orbit can almost skim the surface at it lowest point (perilune) and then climb back out to its highest point (Apolune). Imagine having to duck every time an orbital body flew by???
I enjoyed this. Well done. I think it’s reasonable…and like how you also pointed out that there are a lot of variables too. Also hats off to those thorough mathematical calculations that were done back in those days. And all of the effort put forth. I am hopeful that it is still out there. I was just 7 years old. It’s a little time capsule. And it warms my heart to think that it might be. It’s such a valuable part of mankind’s history. Cheers.
Always think about the things we've left on the moon and Mars. Someday, tranquility base will probably be a lunar museum... and someone, somewhere, sometime will probably get to look at the Mars rovers and ingenuity in a museum, imagining the days when we could only send robots there...
I recall one story the preservation-minded martian colonists found some of the rovers were easy enough to restore to working order their museum became a zoo.
Yeah, but at the same time I often think that no one should get anywhere close to the sites. Because they are perfect time capsules. The footprints will still be there, and the slightest disturbance will destroy that.
@@theexchipmunk after a while, real estate becomes a rarity. The oldest bit of stone in London (the London stone) was layed down by the Romans and is an important part of history. It's currently wrapped in a shitty 80s office block...
Me, an intellectual, initially thought after seeing the title: "Of course not, because of mascons! Scott succumbed to UA-cam's plague and is turning to clickbaity titles. I am not going to click that." Oh how much I underestimate Scott, and the depth of his videos.
@@junholee4961 I wouldn't say that, since he did anwser the question in the title, it would be clickbait if it was "I found the Eagle after 52 years around the moon???"
Wow that's kind of amazing to think that the Apollo 10 ascent module is still out there in space with no crew aboard and dark and cold for the past 53 years. Sounds like stuff of science fiction.
Don't we have equipment that could detect the reflected light from the module as it transits one of the dark maria, in similar fashion to how we detect exoplanets as they transit their stars?
No, there are a lot of reflective surfaces on the Eagle orbiter, and the James Webb Space Telescope has the ability to spot a candle on Pluto, so it will be able to notice the reflection off the Eagle from a metal part glinting in the Sun. Planetary radar as Scott said could be even easier since a metal object like that with square faces will act like a perfect reflector
@@johnsmith1474 A good argument can be made that the prosperity of the '60s and early '70s was a spin off of technology developed by NASA and released free to the public. When NASA's budget was shrunk, so did our economy.
@@evannibbe9375 If JWST ever actually flies and is fully operational (and that is by no means a certainty), it will never be able to see the Moon due to its L2 halo orbit - i.e. one which means Moon and the close orbits around it are always sunward - and the large sunshade it needs to operate.
It's unlikely anyone would bring the Apollo 11 ascent stage back to earth (encasing it in a heat-shielded craft, with all that entails), but wouldn't it be amazing to capture it, return it to the landing site on the moon and preserve this location for future generations as a historical monument. Far more achievable I would think.
If it is still out there, we should really consider trying to recover it, perhaps having a space tug bring it to Gateway where it can be studied and then have a Starship bring it back to Earth.
Pardon this ,if you’ve already heard this amusing tale. It seemed that after returning from their Apollo 11 mission , Armstrong, Aldrin & Collins rode together in a taxi to one of many awards ceremonies celebrating their accomplishments. Armstrong and Aldrin departed the taxi for the Smithsonian for the ceremony while Collins remained with the taxi completing 12 orbits of the block.
As a kid, we actually had one of the Apollo capsules in the park near my house. We used to love trying to peek inside until some knuckleheads decided it was "too dangerous" for kids to clamber around on and it was removed. The entire neighborhood was named after astronauts, Cooper Ct/Cernan Ct/Glenn Trail/White Trail/etc. Growing up there was what got me into everything space related, and that enthusiasm has carried thru my entire life.
You were one lucky kid
You lucky guy😨
They take away things like that because they're "too dangerous" and then wonder why kids don't care about anything and only break stuff
@@ToyotaTechnical they totally ruined it for the kids, on so many levels
Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins are also immortalized in the Pennsylvania area of Exeter, UK. It is a typical 1970's housing estate, so nothing special.
Deep space radio burst finally decoded... "We're calling about your Eagle's extended warranty"...
This comment wins some kind of prize. 🤣🤣
I agree this is an internet winner.
golden comment right there. Almost worthy of inclusion on Voyager's "Golden Record", but not quite because if dangerous aliens listen to it, the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of "let's just annihilate them and ask questions later" would be "this species has terribly annoying insurance companies!"
Hahahahaha
Don't give them any ideas...
If Eagle is still orbiting, it would be a worthy mission to go link up with it and check out the material condition. When Columbia jettisoned it, it was holding cabin pressure. It would be interesting to see how much pressure it was still holding. If there is still air in it, I wonder how corroded/decayed things would be inside.
You don't need to get in space for your experiment. You just need 50 years ;-)
What if we find something alive in there?
@@zed7038 a human cell modified by solar radiation?
Unfortunately there are many, many reasons this would be impossible but wow that would be cool.
@@killemtoenjoythesilence You can't really decontaminate humans so every manned spacecraft has a bunch of microbes in it. Some of them can survive for long periods of time without food or even oxygen.
@@zed7038 agreed. I wasn't meaning to discredit your comment. I was more so discrediting my silly reaction to your comment. When I read it, for some reason a venom like creature composed of irradiated human cells popped to mind. 🤣
I'm sure you were meaning some type of microbial or bacterial life possibly in hibernation. That would also be great.
Scott Manley didn't miss his calling as a science teacher; he just does it on UA-cam!
Well done, Scott; I learn something new from nearly every one of your videos. You have restored my sense of wonder about the universe we live in and that's a truly special gift. Thank you.
I know ...right?
The internet managed to track down a Minecraft seed using a single low resolution screenshot. I wonder if we could harness that power to track down the Ascent Module around the moon or if there are any undocumented crash sites in LRO data
That would be interesting. Just normalize and run an image diff on moon images to see if there's a change that would make sense.
What is a Minecraft seed for us that live under a rock ?
@@blueredbrick the "seed" is the random looking string of characters that Minecraft uses to generate the procedural world in a single game map.
@@treiz01 Awewome, I understand
Which Minecraft seed from which low resolution screenshot?
I find the idea that Eagle is still in orbit around the Moon rather poignant ...I remember as a kid in 1969 the excitement and hope at the time . It would be amazing if they could retrieve it.
However, even if retrieved, which in itself would be a fantastic, probably somewhat dangerous feat, but probably feasible, there would be no reasonable way to return it to Earth. It has ability to survive anything but space itself. Still, it could be captured in lunar orbit and examined there, including a visit, or at least remotely controlled cam and sensors. I doubt it would be worth the risk of sending someone back into it. Not that much to learn that remote methods couldn't provide, and some potentially very high risk possibilities in what is effectively an almost unknown craft now that it's been up there for 50 years.
@@daviddavis-vanatta1017 : Technically could be carried inside a larger autonomous reentry capsule.
But that would be quite costly.
It's more likely to be turned into a tourist attraction by Bezos or Branson.
more like orbiting the film set it was filmed in ha
@@EazyDuz18 : It was last filmed around the Moon.
Damn, this is really awesome.
I've always assumed that the lunar module was long gone with the only hope being Apollo 10, but knowing that Apollo 11 could still be in orbit is crazy.
If true then it's not just 11, but 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 too I would think.
@@bigal1863 Unfortunately not - 15, 16, and 17 (I think) were intentionally deorbited for science, and the impact craters of 12 and 14 have been found. So only 11 has a chance of having survived.
@@bigal1863 watch from 1:15
I don't mind doing a space walk to recover it. LMK
@@johnsmith1474 Are you the curator?
This just may be the coolest video you've ever made!
I never pondered this type of thing until KSP took over my brain. Now, I cant stop. It's great to find that someone is making this technical info available. Thank you so much.
This stuff is one of the reasons the internet is a good thing
Sometimes the algorithm does us proud
along with people like Scott who presents difficult material in very interesting ways!
It's good for insomnia too.
Watching it in full screen 2:48 is that fleeting moment when you think Teamviewer has taken over your computer. But seriously,an impressive explanation even if it left me behind after a short while,watching it at the end of a tiring working day. I wouldn't pretend to have understood it all (yet) but I'm glad it appeared in my recommendations.
The internet is quite a marvel, isn't it? Telling NASA the Lunar Module is still alive, solving cold cases all around the world, identifying people in images years after they were taken, saving people's lives from health hazards in their homes despite the internet people never having seen it in person, its a place full of good, bad, ugly but also the surprisingly genuine and the variably smart.
The Eagle would sit quite nicely next to the X-1 and the Spirit of St. Louis in that amazing entry room at the Smithsonian’s Air and Space Museum.
Don’t forget the X-15! I used to visit that museum often as a kid, and buy astronaut food. What a wonderful place!
Go, Elon, go. Sure would be nice to go get it.
I agree this would be great. The only thing we got potentially in the near future is Elon Musk’s work to get it.
I would actually put Eagle next to the Wright Flyer. 🙂
I have just recently learned that parts of the Wright Flyer went to the Moon with Neil Armstrong, have flown on the shuttle and that some of the Flyer's fabric is attached to the _Ingenuity_ helicopter on Mars. 👍 to NASA personnel for keeping that linkage. 🙂
Doesn't Columbia (the command module) already sit in there? (Although I know they're refurbishing everything at the moment).
They could be reunited after 50+ years!
Imagine if it could be found or even recovered before Buzz Aldrin dies.
I wish
Someone should get in touch with Buzz Aldrin and let him know the state of this research.
Don't say that about Buzz
All his module are belong to us. He will not survive. He should make his time.
@Pronto - it would be an honor to be punched in the face by Buzz. 😜
Although it would be one of those "one in a million" scenarios, it is also possible that small or even micro meteors would have impacted the ascent stage during the past 50 years, imparting unknown forces on the stage at some random angle/vector... Making the orbit even harder to model. Still though this is a very good hypothesis and I think it is worth follow up
And the interior atmosphere lost would add a wee bit of thrust as well.
Those effects are probably still with in the distribution of those simulated as an error in initial conditions.
Why 'one in a million' ? each ascent stage came up to orbit to dock with the CSM and let the astronauts get back into the command module. Then detached and (presumably) the CSM just used orientation thrusters to back gently away.... no particular reason then to crash the ascent stages, so I don't see why all six should not still be there ( 11,12,14,15,16,17 ). All went down - all came back up.
@@geekswithfeet9137 I did read that low lunar orbits encounter additional 'drag' from micro-dust particles the closer you get to the surface. I'm also curious what the extended affect of the solar wind, which ebbs and flows, over 50-odd years may have on the orbit. Maybe 50 years isn't long enough for these chaotic affects to make a noticable difference.
@@johnbidwell2393 I love that this video and some comments just assume a knowledge of chaotic effects, large dependence on initial conditions etc. It's one of my favourite things and it's nice to see it in these videos and comments. Of course, it might have been hit by a bigger meteorite and just exploded as well. Large dependence on big-rock-impact! :-)
First Starship mission to the moon: Pull a "You Only Live Twice", stuff Eagle into the cargo bay, and bring it home.
Edit: Wow I think this is now my highest upvoted thing on the entire internet. Can we compromise and just get a museum in stable lunar orbit and make this the centerpiece?
Chances are that all of the air would have leaked out by now. Then bringing it back to Earth would cause it to collapse like an aluminum beer can, unless they somehow pressurized it before re-entry.
@@my3dviews Have the door open in the cargo bay
Every time Scott now says "the moon" I can't help but see it as him saying "the mun". can't unsee/unhear.
@@Geerice Sure, but that would require either an EVA or an airlock into the cargo bay in order to open it. Not sure if Starship will have that capability on it's first flights.
@@anony3615 same
"Space is for everyone" is one of the most empowering statements I have heard in a while. Thanks!
but not Earth, Earth is only for the rich and powerful
Only for humans that is. Heretics, xenos, witches, traitors can safely be purged.
basic law of mankind: everything unreachable is for everyone - until someone succeeds to reach it.
when i see a space in asda car park it's mine...not everyones.
Scott's interpretation of this statement is wonderful and represents exactly the mindset of empowered fascination and curiosity that should be taught in schools.
We can never have too much Apollo content
Yep, the Apollo mission's, the astronauts and everything else about Apollo will always be rock star.
True
@Captain Harlock I am absolutely amazed at how so many people still believe that 50 year old propaganda. I mean about half the people who "watched it live" realized it was propaganda way back then. Now we got a bunch of preteen acting young "adults" who will DIE believing that fairytale. Mind boggling. About time for a great reset I'm thinking.
@Captain Harlock just climb back into that hole.
@Captain Harlock it is more expensive to create a lie than it is to actually go to space. But dude you keep believing what ever you want.
I think your idea that possibly a ruptured tank or something might have changed it’s orbit quite possible. 50 years is quite a long time. Would be awesome if it was there and it could be captured and returned to earth. I think bringing back the lunar rover would be awesome, give us a huge understanding of what the effects of large periods of time in space under the harsh temperatures and radiations cause on objects such as that.
yea, considering the issues of micrometeor frags and the like, Im doubting there is anything pressurized onboard. But that said, any pressure loss from a strike would cause an automatic inertia component that would likely alter the orbit for better or worse.
Sorry, but the Rover was on the lower module; never to be saved from the dusty surface of our big, grey neighbor.
That woiuld hgave to be one helluva vent. Avent would more likely causwe the LM to hit gimbal lock and an uncontrolled spin.There are really only 2 options. Reach esdcape velocity into the great beyond or impact the asurface. As he said, the elliiptical orbit would degrade with every close pass. With no means of increasing a stable velocity, each pass would get closer until prang, HELLO mOON..Imo.
Can't see how a ruptured tank would change the orbit, unless its contents leave the spacecraft. But why would it? Space is a vacuum so it should all travel at the same speed whatever happens to it. Maybe I'm wrong there, I dunno.
As a Long Islander, I'd LOVE to have Eagle back home.
just subscribed. A bit of minor note: at 1:20 into the video is shown the lander blasting off from it's support structure. In the late '60's my Father machined pieces of that structure. He was proud of that throughout his life. A career tool/die man and machinist, he was brilliant. I remember watching all that as an 8 year old. Great stuff, and you have a brilliant mind.
machining stuff for space is super interesting, working with space grade alloys and getting the perfect precision and surface finish so everything goes according to plan. I can't think of something more worth being proud of
@@xymaryai8283 I worked for about a year in a big shop doing work for Ball, Ford, Martin-Marietta and Coors aerospace. We made space ship parts but the names were redacted on the blueprints.
Your dad created the paper mache craft..?
SaltyTate, thanks for the comment. I was blessed with a good sense a humor and needed that laugh. But no, he didn’t dabble in paper. I’m really not sure exactly what parts he made, I think it had to do with the landing gantry. He’s long passed now. He also built critical parts for the B1 bomber as well as other aircraft. I’ve heard similar comments over the years, it doesn’t bother me at all.
Take care and carry on.
@@dustytables3638 good stuff dusty, just kidding obviously. God bless him and god bless you. Take care
It is really sad that only Buzz is left from the Apollo 11 crew. Michael Collins and Neil Armstrong are gone. Getting old and watching your heros die really sucks. Aldrin, Collins and Armstrong took part in one of, if not the most important missions in the history of mankind. We will always remember and honor them, but it just sucks that these amazing dudes aren't around anymore.
Lol Neil A. spell that backwards and wonder if we haven’t been played as fools from the beginning
Buzz Aldrin is so full of himself that I think he would be so proud of himself as been the last of the Apollo 11 crew!
@@grabbag6314
Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid, bud... because whatever is in it has Definitely taken you to one hell of an "altered state". 🙄🤣
@@Danny691966
Actually, he IS. so, your point was...?
Joe Biden is still alive. Allegedly. 🤪
Around 1971 or 72 our high school math club acquired a teletype computer (terminal) with punched paper tape for storage of programs, and it ran BASIC. The only reason I joined the Math Club was to learn to write, run and play with simple programs. We came across Lunar Lander and down loaded it. To run even the most basic programs we had to connect long-distance over the phone (modem) to a UNIVAC mainframe at the university 90 miles away. We were restricted to after-hours and a certain number of hours per week due to cost to the school. Somehow one of the students figured how to bypass the password system, and we got unlimited use. It was so much fun! There were no graphics capabilities, only data inputs and outputs (initial speed and altitude, retrorocket burn rate and time, and remaining fuel. We mostly created a lot of new craters!) A year or two later I took a summer course for HS students at the local university to learn FORTRAN programming (with teletype punch cards and reams of paper). My study group chose a final project to write a program for Battleship, and print out the moves on a giant plotter. Such technological advancements!
One of the first computer games I ever played on the old TRS-80 we owned was a lunar lander simulator. 99% of the time I crashed it into the moon!
...and here we are 50 short years later filling huge servers with petabytes of mind numbing, mostly worthless information at terabyte speeds! What was that Mr. Dylan? "The times they are a-changin'?"
Fascinating! I always take great pride when someone talks about the Apollo missions. My grand father helped design the hydraulics for stage separation. The thought that the Eagle is still flying is amazing. Especially in a time where NASA has trouble with advanced computers getting a rocket off the ground to return to the moon.
Cool!
@Ronnie Lee Excellent question (about the accent). Excellent answer: the camera was mounted on the landing craft and set to run as the module blasted off: NASA didn't call on Moon-dwellers to perform camera duties. They simply mounted a camera on the Descent Stage of the Lunar Module and pointed it at the steps. That giant leap was relayed live to NASA and TV viewers all over the world via receiving stations on Earth. Let me guess Ronnie, you know the people who set the bombs in the World Trade Center-faking the results of the planes crashing into them? Get REAL bro.
my grandmother helped build the landing gear for the descent stage, she worked in the clean rooms at Grumman.
@@aidanacebo9529 VERY cool! As a Long Islander, I've known a lot of people who worked for Grumman but never heard any of them talk about the LM program.
@@leonardothefabulous3490 is that where those are? I knew that side of the family was from NY but I had no idea where. they never talked about it. I got my dad to spill he was born in buffalo though. that's about it. I'm sure they didn't stay there long. I'm not sure when, but I know it was before he was 10 that they all moved to Florida. grandpa was a WWII vet and brought back some pretty rough baggage. he claimed he was a peacekeeper after the war, but a peacekeeper doesn't bring home a Kai-Gunto navy katana, a flag, a couple helmets, and enough PTSD to leave him swinging by a tie in the closet. my dad found him, really screwed him up at age 4 or 5. he was a good dad though. miss him. died of a heart attack a few years back.
Loved your message at the end about space being for everyone, in a way I hadn’t considered before
I think The Mars Society has a spin-off project called Mars-VR which would allow rovers and drones to send data back to earth, and citizen scientists could walk through, review and vote on artefacts requiring closer inspection. Greater access is exciting.
It's incouraging especially for people like me in Zimbabwe
There exists a very long and venerable tradition of astronomy observatories working together with amateur scientists.
STD's are for everyone too.
I think he added that because I have been seeing a lot more anti space stuff from people online recently in the wake of bezos and branson making their launches. My view is that I'd rather billionaires spend their dragon hoards on getting more humans into space instead of on mega-mega-yachts or whatever it is they do normally.
“They went through a lot of iterations coming up with the perfect shape to give them the most volume, the best windows, and [a design that] wouldn’t kill anyone onboard,” said the astrophysicist Scott Manley in a private video shared with the Guardian. “And this is the shape they came up with, this dome shape.” you've made the news in the UK 🇬🇧👏
A Guardian keeps things safe. Pretty apt considering Scott's sign off catchphrase.
What a load of garbage, no one left the earths atmosphere
@@frankmcnally01 No one cares about what you think Frank. You aren't going to sway anybody's opinion here. So maybe you should either stop trolling, or hang out with your own kind. You will be less miserable. Everyone will be happier.
@@rich-wl9iuHats off to you, Rich. I doubt that even Frank likes his own kind.
@@frankmcnally01 And what makes you think that? Do you think it continues infinitely?
Thank you Scott. For self-starters everywhere, those were some needed words of encouragement.
Truly amazing what a hobbyist can accomplish, much respect and kudos.
You're such a badass, Scott. I'm so blessed to have watched you all these years. You're an inspiration.
This is truly why the Internet was invented. Smart, fun, insightful, and leaves you with a sense of positive all. Keep up the outstanding work. I have shared this on Facebook.
Don't know if that was a good idea, 90% of people on FB wouldn't know what the earth is called.
I agree with you all expect the part about going to the moon for real. Ya'll know that was fake and NASA can not be trusted. At least they do great animations. Do we have real photo evidence of the old ascent module's? By other satilites or powerful earth telescopes?
The Internet was created to maintain command and control in the event of a nuclear holocaust or other catastrophic event. They plan on sending you a tax bill regardless of what happens!
Scott your videos are really good , they look better then Nat geo documentaries. Keep up the great work 👍👍👍👍
Well, it is Humans Right, but may wanna stay in your own universe. Eron tried that one, unless, Space x is boring.
Nat geo is a really low bar. Anything that gets shown on television is. That was true 10 years ago, and it's even more true now. To say Scott Manley surpasses that is an understatement.
ZeFrank surpasses that bar, for crying out loud.
How odd that crowdsourced hobbyists would be better than the most expensive platforms and media giants.
@@fordman9912 Is this Google translated? What is this sentence.
@@neondemon5137 mm so does governmental conspiracies, such as actors and such 🛎🔔
@@fordman9912 you ok buddy?
Man, if we could somehow get that lunar module back somehow if it's still flying would be the most awesomeness thing ever!!! Let's get it back!!!!!
As much as I 💕 that idea....I'd rather put that 💰 towards other space exploration n experiments 🥼🧪 for the aid n benefit of all mankind.... AKA Earth 🌎 🌍
@Ronnie Lee
Probably the silliest thing I’ve read for a long time. Oh and maybe you could research Ed Fendell
@Ronnie Lee If only you'd done a quick google search to find out how the lunar ascents were filmed, you wouldn't have ended up making yourself look like an ignorant fool.
On the Apollo 15,16 and 17 missions, there was a remotely controlled video camera fitted to each of the lunar rovers.
At the end of the missions, the rovers were placed at a suitable distance from each of the landing sites so that the camera (remotely controlled from earth) could film the lunar ascent back into the moon's orbit to re-dock with the command module.
It could be used to test equipment for capturing an asteroid.
Imagine finding it, in almost pristine condition and peering through the window. What would you see? Armstrong and Aldrins trash? A few flight manuals floating around?
Imagine powering it back up after all these years. (If even possible) The lights flickering to life, once again. A snapshot of an era, perfectly preserved. The last people to occupy the cabin, to live in it, work in it, legendary. Just knowing it might still be orbiting the moon, is exciting! It got them all the way down to the surface and all the way back up to orbit. Now, it will forever orbit that which it came to visit. A testament to human ingenuity. A symbol of how high and far we can reach when we put our minds to the task.
A lonely monument, destined to outlast it’s creators.
Let Eagle remain in orbit. But at least, let us have some new pictures of her in flight!
You forgot a bucket of shit. Total waste of time. It's not coming back
@@alrevels2510 WTF? Did you even read post you replied to? He said to just leave it there orbiting forever and I think that is a great idea
Like Al Revels mentioned there would probably be bags of biological trash floating around.
I am very interested in how it is now, you are a good writer, thanks Thomas. I also agree that it should just be left in orbit if it's still there.
I doubt it would power up after all these years of being frozen solid. Particularly not moving parts like the gyros.
Maybe boost it into a higher / more stable orbit at least. It would suck to have it eventually impact the Moon years later for whatever reason.
The ascent stage for Apollo 16 LM Orion was meant to be intentionally deorbited but a missed circuit breaker meant NASA ground controllers were unable to control the stage and command it to deorbit. It would be interesting to see someone plug its last known orbital elements into that program and see where it ended up.
No one checked that all the circuit breakers were [voice going up in shock] in place before launch??
@@veramae4098 The crew was tired, under a time limit, and several pages of the checklist were either omitted or changed due to the altered flight plan (they left lunar orbit a day early) and in their haste something got missed. Instead of holding attitude like it was supposed to, Orion just started slowly tumbling after it was cut loose. Apollo 16 was a flight full of headaches and not being able to deorbit Orion after discarding it was just another cherry on the cake.
@@veramae4098 All the circuit breakers were in both Spacecraft, the crew just forgot to activate one of them when getting rid of the Lunar Module.
Well, at least we can say an Orion got to the Moon before 2024.
amazing if it's still out there - it would be great to recover it
It'll be great if Starship can capture it and bring it back to Earth
@@nbdd0121 never happen
History
It's one thing to send an empty vessel to recover it but it's something very different to return it intact.
It was only ever intended to be a single purpose vehicle so no provision was ever made to it in order to recapture it. There is no easy way to grab hold of it, nothing to fasten to and no base for it to sit on when it's being returned. It would be severely damaged by gravity, restraining and handling because it wasn't designed to be recaptured and retuned.
@@ian-c.01 if it still survives, could we use a docking port the same as the ascent stage on starship and have a crew dock it? And with gentle acceleration keep in LEO?
I think it could be a good target for the Radar team,
Forgot the name of the project but they were planning to use Ground based Radar to track the NEOs so they experimented on moon so they were able to accurately track and find orbit for LRO and as a test they also were able to find Chandrayan of ISRO which was lost a year after it entered lunar orbit so i think they could do Eagle and others too as Chandrayan was very small
Mission: Recover Aldrin's Derelict from low lunar orbit
Hear that Tom Cruise?? It's your next MI movie that practically wrote itself!
KSP reference?
@lepperkin Exactly.
As a kid of 14 years old when they landed on the moon, when the pieces of "moonrock" came over from the USA for schools to look at, I actually held a small piece in my hand, and as I am now nearly 68, I have never forgotten that magical feeling while at Harry Cheshire Sec Modern school in 1970/71. To think that piece of rock had travelled over a quarter of a million miles to sit in my 15 year old hand. How amazing is that ? To me, its still mind boggling 😲
You just held a piece of rock from here, not there. Go look up either Switzerland or the Netherlands proving the same a few years ago. No one goes to space. All rockets are simply helium-filled dirigibles that go up 20 miles, make a 90° turn, then fall into their ocean graveyards.
@@pointzerotwo
Amazing… every word of what you just said was wrong. Not a single Moon rock that NASA handed out has ever been proven to be anything but what they claimed. That is a fact. Every single geologist or mineralogist who has ever examined any lunar sample agrees that it is not of this world.
@@the18thdoctor3 You can’t prove one word of what you wrote.
So your claim that Mr Weaver is wrong is itself WRONG.
I remember those times myself well & the excitement.
You don’t know anything about that time; it shows.
We lived it; we read every book & magazine available on space flight & spacecraft, as all space nerds did. We knew all the details of every Mercury, Gemini & Apollo flight; the different rockets; the capsules, & the Soviet programme.
The remains of the Apollo missions can be seen on photos taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter occasionally. Even a lunar rover left!
I’m sorry you missed all that experience;
But the current idea of simply denying something ever happened & then it didn’t, doesn’t work in Real Life, with Real People- not with Elections, or Moon Landings.
We went to the moon in 1969 & continued to do so, sending 6 Apollos & 24 astronauts to the surface of the moon. Undeniable facts.
@@patkennedy2620
I was not replying to Mr. Weaver, but rather to a Moon landing denier who has since deleted their comment. Please re-read my comment, I was affirming the legitimacy of the Moon landings.
wow that's amazing
This is really incredible that these tools are available, and I’m incredibly glad that people are making good use out of them! Perhaps if we find Eagle, we can send a cargo starship out to bring her home.
@@johnsmith1474 Go troll somewhere else.
@@johnsmith1474 i agree
@@johnsmith1474 lmao fuck is wrong with you?
@edwong3 Probably more, like a long ways north of $750M. TO say nothing of the risk to human life getting the job done, unless it could be done robotically. One thing for sure, we have to find it first, and so far, no luck with that. Not even a hint - like an impact crater, or a radar blip.
My dad worked at TRW in the late 60s, including work on Apollo 11. I've got mission reports and charts at home that I collected while he was there. Mercury and Gemini stuff too. Maybe some of it could be useful to answer questions like this?
TRW made the engine for the lunar lander. I remember as a kid going to their open house after the first moon landing.
Amazing video! As someone who works in the field of astrodynamics using GMAT and some software, the explanation and walkthrough was excellent!
Love your content!
@@citizenblue Thank you!
8:14 for those that don't know astronomical terminology 'perturbing forces' pretty much means slight orbital changes in velocity due to gravitation to those other celestial bodies (earth and sun).
Hi Tarian
Thanks for mansplaining
Cheers for that
you learn something new everyday
"A keyboard...how quaint!"...Scotty
Computer?...ahem....Computer?
The he holds up the mouse to his lips and says… “computer?!”..
@@jacobjones5269 I know, I was inserting the prelude conversation :) Great scene
Then, annoyed that the computer didn't listen, Scotty sits down and types like 100 wpm
"There be whales Captain"
oddly, the idea that it's still up there makes me happy.
Too neat! Would be cool to recapture that piece of history, for all mankind. SpaceX? You surely catch Scott Manley, how about it?
Leaving it there is a better monument.
@@anzaca1 if it is still in orbit, it may yet see that orbit decay and crash. Catching it before that happens, if it hasn't yet happened, would be saving an amazing piece of history.
@@commerce-usa especially twenty two years later. Would be interesting to at least see if it's covered in a thin layer of cosmic dust or had any micrometeorite impacts.
Anyone but NASA would NEVER be given permission to even get in an orbit close to it. NASA has already made it VERY clear to all other organizations to not come within several kilometers of Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 on the Lunar surface, I highly doubt the ascent stage would be any different.
sticking a tracker or making sure it stays in a stable orbit woulf be nice
“Below the sea level” is an interesting term for regions on the moon.
Well, there are features named sea's. Like the sea of tranquility! :)
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Gaah. You beat me to this! 😁
"Sea Level" on Earth is what we call the geodetic datum. But every body in hydrostatic equilibrium has one. And if you expand the definition a bit to allow nongeoid shaped things like asteroid rubble piles and space rocks, you can even define one for them, too.
Scott, I really do appreciate your final conclusion today. Experience and insight created by one’s own studies will last for decades if not the whole life,
I'm way past the point that I could consider further education or a career in the field of astronomy/astrophysics, but it was so cool to see that NASA provides a free program for anyone to just tinker with values and learn about space flight planning. This has to get a lot more attention at schools and it can provide many young talented kids with a study and career into this field.
Scott is so smart and all the man wants to do is bless us with his kindness and knowledge. Mans a treasure of the world.
Neat "thing" to try and figure out. Thank you Scott. I like the focus on freely available tools and datasets, especially lately. I'm quite positive that you are helping to motivate folks to try their hand at data science through astronomy and physics.
This is an amazing opportunity for people to explore and learn. I didn’t know these programs were available. I’ll let my grandkids know about this. Great video.
There will be technology far more interesting for your grandkids to wade through.
This is bollocks, I suggest you teach your decedents about real history.
Don’t expose your grandkids to extra nonsense
@@Justinedmonds1988 Not nonsense if it's actually something interesting that gets them into science.
@@frankmcnally01 >real history.
Care to give any examples?
Like say... How Humans are actually aliens that the Galactic Confederacy ruler Xenu/Xemu rounded up, froze, then dumped (via DC-8-like spaceships) in Hawaii's Volcanoes on Earth (aka Teegeeack) then nuked, that turned into "Spirits" 75 million years ago, and said Evil Alien Ruler is why you feel sad?
By the way that's an actual religion people believe in, and spend a fortune on.
It's called Scientology. They'll SWEAR it's real, but you know it isnt.
You're gonna tell me that they spent more money faking a moon landing with tech they dont have, even though the PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ENGINEERING IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO IT, and it'd be overall far easier to do for real, than fake?
You're also telling me Russia wouldnt call America on it's bullshit if they did fake it? You know telescopes strong enough to look at the moon existed back then, right?
Russia would 100% fucking blast "The capitalist dogs lied about their feat to look better than us" and rub it in America's face the entire time, and then land on the Moon for real, just to spite America, and prove they did.
Tell me how the moon landing was actually faked in 1969 if it's fake.
Kind of related, many many years ago (1970's) the Gemini 12 re-entry capsule was on display at MOTAT (Museum of Transport and Technology) in Auckland New Zealand, the capsule door was open but had a perspex cover over it and they had a walkway so you could climb up and look inside, I got to go see it a few times I can remember as a young boy being absolutely amazed by it, it's a highlight in my childhood memories. I believe it was returned to the US a long time ago now.
LOVE the message here!! I too started out my interest in space science by using open source astronomical data processing tools and associated data and highly recommended it to anyone.
What works of yours are now online for others to enjoy and geek out on?
build a museum on the moon and have this be one of the exhibits
Sort of like Futurama, where the Moon is full of hicks and there's a theme park of animatronics singing about being whalers on the moon.
Better yet, build a museum in an identical lunar orbit literally around the ascent module, without disturbing it.
The museum is already there, it is called TMA-1
Build it in orbit around the moon.
Futurama did this in an episode
Hmmm so there's a chance that Jeb is still stuck around the Mun!! I'll have to go back and look!! LOL
Well, mount a rescue mission... Kerbals don't plan, they act!
You built rocket stages into your jet?
What they could eventually do, once we have a permanent base on the moon, is get multiple smaller autonomous unmanned rocket craft to match its speed, grab onto it with robotic arms, and use retro rockets to slow it down and gently land it. Then transport it to the site of the landing, and put it back onto the descent module, and that location can be one if the big space tourism locations!
You are truly an interspace entrepreneur!
One of your BEST episodes Scott ! . . . great pointers on doing REAL space research with free (or cheap) software and telescopic observations.
Space Cowboy Archeologist: "It belongs in the museum!"
And why not make it an installation at the first museum in Luna City!
Shady Space Private Collector: “So do you!”
It belongs in orbit around the
Nice one Dr Jones.
So do you!
Correct me if I'm wrong but if they ever captured this and brought it back to Earth, would it not be the longest direct exposure to space of any man made object that has returned? The scientific data alone would be worth bringing this back for. Then, after all the analysis put it in the Air and Space Museum as the centerpiece of it's collection.
It would be extremely difficult not only to capture it, but above all make it reenter the atmosphere. More realistically, it could be possible to intercept it, enter into it and take samples that could be analysed on earth
@@alainrobillard4300 SpaceX Starship is pretty big, maybe put on a big hatch, capture the Eagle and return to Earth.
@@daviddennis5789
Nothing is impossible (or almost) when you have the money for it. But this would cost big money. Question will be: is it worth it?
America’s second satellite, Vanguard 1, was launched into space on March 17, 1958. And although that was about six months after the Soviet's Sputnik satellite, it still remains in orbit - more than 60 years later. Whereas the Apollo 11 lunar module has been on the surface of the Moon since 20, July, 1969.
Wrath about just leaving it there and observing it over time?
Amazing study. I was 5 yo when Apollo 11 landed on the moon. There was so much excitement at that time.
I clicked on this thinking Scott was going to tell me where it hit. Wow!
Same, this is incredible!
If they can find it, they MUST attempt to retrieve it. It’s literally priceless.
I mean, it doesn't look like it's going anywhere... so maybe wait with the retrieval until we have a moon base and put it in the lobby or something =)
@@unvergebeneid just imagine the amount of radiation it has accumulated over 50 years in orbit)
Even if that were feasible it would be a mission with enormous cost with no scientific value. I think NASA have other priorities
@@rogermouton2273 no possible mission has no scientific value, but yeah i agree. leave it in orbit, it isn't contributing to any space debris problems that we should fix before then, and if possible it should be maintained as a space borne single item museum. leave it be, maybe study how the materials held up over long periods of space exposure, but not much more.
certainly do not take things from it to sell as souvenirs lmao
@@xymaryai8283 that could be a real risk one day. It does need to be captured and preserved. On Earth or the Moon
I know the module is very small, and the area of the moon surface is very large in comparison, but the orbit would be restricted to quite a narrow band, around which the craft would travel several times a day. The command modules of Apollo's 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 would have occupied pretty much the same area, so five pilots would have had plenty of opportunity to encounter it. Especially when in the shadow on the far side, if the angles were right, there would have been odd glints of sunlight from an orbiting metal structure to attract their attention.
It's a long shot, but unlikely coincidences do occur.
Radar works in space...
@hognoxious That's because it's not there. You're 100% right. If it were there, and we could go back, then 100% you bet they'd know where it is 24/7. Why don't people use critical thinking skills any more?
@@basedbear1605 If you can't see the landing sites, even with a telescope, then you aren't going to see Eagle either.
@@michaelbee2165 That's because they're not there.
@@basedbear1605 This video shows photos of the landing sites.
They are there.
That's fantastic. I'm an old aerospace engineer, myself, and I must say this analysis (by James Meador) is incredibly cool. The point you make, that space is for everyone, is so true. And it's true for lots of areas of engineering, including AI. It's a consequence of living in the age of information - a great time to be alive.
Hello this is the Lunar Parking Enforcement.
We have been trying to contact the rightful owner of (1) Lunar Assent Module, illegally parked in low orbit with a license plate of EAGLE.
To have the parking shoe removed. Please remit your payment of your fine and 51 years of interest, in person to your local lunar office; before your vehicle is impounded then crushed into a cube and sold as scrap.
You have 5 earth years to comply.
Have a nice day.
Hello officer, I’ve got a new ride in the meantime and have no plans in returning anytime soon. You may keep the one I left behind 51 years ago, or do anything to it as you may deem appropriate. Regards, your friendly Earthling.
Wow Darthlore! The world needs more people with a great sense of humor like you!
Please don’t go giving ideas to the parking cowboys!
@@SAHBfan Ha! SAHBfan, you're great!!!
"You have 5 years to remove your cube."
When UA-cam videos have a question in the title, the answer at the end is always “No”. This video breaks that rule
I remember when I was child finding the Titanic was a major story, to find the Eagle someday would be even more remarkable. Probably impossible to bring back to Earth, but just imagine being able to look at it up close in a museum and think “that’s the vehicle that the first humans to set foot somewhere outside planet Earth stepped out of.”
Wouldn't be impossible, would require a new spacecraft to be designed, some kind of external shielding would have to be created to be attached for it to survive re-entry, or it would have to be taken into another spacecraft.
@@MichaelKearsley Interesting! Thanks.
Equally cool would be “that thing lifted off from earth in the 60s and has only just returned”
The museum will be on the Moon.
This definitely puts the conversations on the Flight Dynamics (FIDO) loops on Apollo 11 and 13's MOCR tapes into context. Thanks for mentioning GMAT!
Hey, wait, Betteridge’s law of headlines! You’re not allowed to say “Maybe.”
Who cares
@@topsecret1837 you must be fun at parties
No, you're supposed to distort facts until the now-false headline makes people pay attention.
Breaking news: Does existence exist?
Someone should write and article called: "Does Betteridge's Law hold?" Turns out, not necessarily... (LOL makes my head hurt)
Thanks for the nudge @RyanRising I looked it up and learned question headlines at rare and more often than not answered yes
The lunar orbit info is interesting.
Finally something I didn't know from playing KSP
Started out posting nasa images and data online and ended up driving rovers on mars?
well, that's a career trajectory I'd love to have. :D
@@timburdette3556 what is the bs again?
@@timburdette3556
Which goverment?
The one's who did do the landings or all the other powers in the world that stood to gain to prove that they failed?
@@timburdette3556 hahahahahaha
Howard Wolowitz
interesting content . my grandfather was one of the men who was on the build team on the guidance system of Apollo 11. it be neat to see if it was still up there a piece of my grandfather so to speak . wish he was still with us .
I just love the ingenuity used to get us to the moon. Its crazy to think that our phones, today, have a lot more computing power than the computer used to land on the moon. What is even crazier is that the code the computer on the lunar lander used was WOVEN into the craft.
My daughter was named after the lunar orbiter laser altimeter - Lola 🙌
Lola is also in a Kinks song. L O L A Lola...
@@robertthomas5906 haha yes, yes it is! Also - whatever Lola wants, Lola gets! Which was another reason she was called Lola, because that song is pretty epic ❤️
I have three children:
My firstborn daughter is named "Nea Aurora" - new aurorae, or a new day's dawn. - But she *IS* also NEA, Near Earth Asteroid.
(Also, she was born on the very same day, when NEAR Shoemaker probe inserted into orbit around near-earth asteroid Eros!! We learned about this only long time afterwards. Talk about coincidence...)
My second child, a son, is named "Leo Seppo Ilmari": "Leo" after the constellation of Leo, "Seppo Ilmari" makes a reference to blacksmith 'Ilmari' of Finnish mythology Kalevala - But he *IS* also LEO, Low Earth Orbit.
(I promise you, while we decided to name all our children after things in the sky, before they were born, we *never* thought of those abbreviations until they flashed into my mind when he was about two years old...)
And our third child - well, she is named Stella Nova... (Currently, as a teenager, she can be quite explosive...)
While we are on the subject... I think someone with twins should name them Meco and Seco.
Lola is a very common name in spanish
Scott....Your KSP is showing: " …then we're pretty sure the spacecraft is gonna have an interaction"
Unplanned rapid lithobraking event.
When he says "moon", it sounds like I pronounce "mun". ;-)
I love the idea that somewhere in space, our equipment is quietly gliding around, so long after the earth is gone, these bits of kit will still be travelling through space.
Voyager one is approximately 14.6 billion miles from earth and still going.
I think that is actually called Veeger!
@@RayFromTexas1 ahhh a Star Trek fan. 👍
@@RayFromTexas1 👍😎
Micro-meteors, other debris, solar wind, - any unforeseen energy sink would kill or perturb the orbit.
But any beneficial encounter might help keep the orbit "stable" for longer.
Yeah
But if There's a slight chance
Perhaps it might be there
Although in a very low orbit
@@seantaggart7382 There is no chance because it was all a lie.
@@basedbear1605 oh really?
Then what are all these files of humanity landing on the moon i stored in my archive at my homeworld
Hmm?
Tell me i didn't make that up
My people didn't celebrate that achievement when we heard about it 50 years ago
So what? Am i gonna need to throw out all that?
No!
Because i know
You're trolling
You can't effect my hope
You can't effect imagination either
You are just in denial
@@seantaggart7382 Listen to yourself and how twisted your mind has become. Absolutely amazing! Your homeworld? Are you from Mars or something? LOL @ you!
Nothing I said was trolling, I just pointed out an easily provable lie. Nothing you have on your "archive" is real, Stanley Kubrick admitted on film that it was all a hoax. But nothing that I say will convince you because you've been brainwashed to believe lies. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance!
I’m still trying to figure out where I left my reading glasses before I went to bed last night 🤔
LOL funny.
Maybe theres an app for that?
I have a backup pair, inspired by NASA.
Yup I woke up with them hooked to my shirt lol
Maybe they're in an unstable orbit around the moon.
You should ask NASA if they can look for them when they decide to recover Apollo11's ascent stage.
Or maybe you can reach out to Musk on twitter.
I look at posts like this and realise how bloody clever some people are!
Yeah
Im proud of humanity
Over educated and ignorant of what truly matters; Jesus.
I wonder, does this modeling include the change in momentum from the release of Columbia? They weren't using explosive bolts or anything, so the force wouldn't be too high, but it might still have influenced Eagle's orbit past the point of the last telemetry data
Thank you, Scott, for your research and that finishing line!
Me at the beginning of the video: “He’s going to explain that Eagle’s orbit decayed because of lumpy looney lunar gravity.”
Me at the end of the video: “My mind has been opened significantly.”
Same here. I would have given it only months due to the MasCons.
Same
Same here. I remembered learning that there are no stable orbits around the moon. That's the half life of knowledge right there.
Wow, Montecarlo simulation applied to orbits!
Thank you Mr. Manley - it would be fantastic if one day we could recover the ascent module of the Apollo 11 LEM...
The thought that that could still be orbiting the moon is fascinating.
@R Voit Proof?
@R Voit That's not proof
@R Voit If an object is orbiting the moon, it will continue to orbit unless something is going to cause its orbit to decay.
The orbit of the space station around the earth decays by several meters a day due to atmospheric drag, but because the moon has no atmosphere, anything in orbit will continue to remain in orbit.
Incidentally, the Webb telescope would never be tasked with trying to find the module anyway, so that part of your argument is irrelevant and bogus.
Rvoit, u wild
@R Voit No. it's only above the thicker parts of it. It's still by definition 'in it'
Thanks Scott, for telling us about GMAT and other interesting software that Nasa has made available. Perhaps it's an idea for an episode dedicated to publicly available Nasa software?
I second that notion.
She will always fly in the hearts of those who saw her land . .Fly on Eagle .
Does it fit inside Starship’s cargo bay? Asking for a friend.
Starship is 9m wide, the Eagle is 4.3m wide. So yes, Starship should be quite capable of recovering it.
@@FourthRoot Well then, let’s go already!
@@manlymcmanface9932 First we have to find it. Fortunately we know the inclination is low, so it should be very easy to detect if it's still there and mostly intact. A small probe in retrograde orbit could probably find it easily, or at least some pieces of it if it blew up.
I think it would be tougher than it looks to get it home without squashing it. Starship gives a lot of transverse loading that I'm not sure the Eagle was designed for. Not only would you have to attach a stage adapter to it, you might need some kind of rotating platform or structural reinforcement to keep it from flattening during entry and landing.
@@user-pb4hh1jk3f Indeed. I agree, it may need to be supported by a rotating platform so that the acceleration loads are always axial. This can probably be just free swinging with friction dampening to keep things simple. It probably also needs to be actively pressurized above ambient pressure throughout the descent to maintain rigidity. Fortunately that can probably be handled through the docking port. The mechanism to secure it through descent would probably grab it on top and bottom using an apollo erra docking node and conical insert that fits in the engine bell. These are challenges, but not insurmountable challenges. It can be done.
Very Exciting Scott ! Maybe they'll take on the task of re location as a priority when we eventually return to near Lunar orbit ? Fascinated with the irregular gravitational effects of moon and it's impact on locating voids, craters and sites of resources for later trips to use in a lunar base perhaps ?
So cool, great video! I hope it is still out there and can one day somehow end up in a museum. Can you imagine? That would be nuts.
That's, imho, your most engaging video you've done so far. A perfect illustration of what an individual can achieve.
Err Yeah?
But where's the Seagull thingy then?
Did we get to that?
Your bar for achievement is extremely low. What's the achievement? Some mouse clicks on a computer and information gathering to still not answer the question that cause him to proceed to begin with? You must be from the "everyone gets a trophy" crowd.
@@silvershelbygt500 That's what I said, just more succinctly, innit?
Think about this: Since there is no atmosphere on the moon, an object in a decaying orbit can almost skim the surface at it lowest point (perilune) and then climb back out to its highest point (Apolune). Imagine having to duck every time an orbital body flew by???
You would hardly have time to detect it before it flew by or hit you since its speed would be nearly 6000 km/h.
I enjoyed this. Well done. I think it’s reasonable…and like how you also pointed out that there are a lot of variables too. Also hats off to those thorough mathematical calculations that were done back in those days. And all of the effort put forth. I am hopeful that it is still out there. I was just 7 years old. It’s a little time capsule. And it warms my heart to think that it might be. It’s such a valuable part of mankind’s history. Cheers.
Always think about the things we've left on the moon and Mars. Someday, tranquility base will probably be a lunar museum... and someone, somewhere, sometime will probably get to look at the Mars rovers and ingenuity in a museum, imagining the days when we could only send robots there...
I recall one story the preservation-minded martian colonists found some of the rovers were easy enough to restore to working order their museum became a zoo.
Yeah, but at the same time I often think that no one should get anywhere close to the sites. Because they are perfect time capsules. The footprints will still be there, and the slightest disturbance will destroy that.
@@theexchipmunk after a while, real estate becomes a rarity. The oldest bit of stone in London (the London stone) was layed down by the Romans and is an important part of history. It's currently wrapped in a shitty 80s office block...
@@craigelliott4338 Stonehenge?........
@@gangleweed no, look up London stone
Me, an intellectual, initially thought after seeing the title: "Of course not, because of mascons! Scott succumbed to UA-cam's plague and is turning to clickbaity titles. I am not going to click that." Oh how much I underestimate Scott, and the depth of his videos.
Lol it is indeed clickbait
@@junholee4961 I wouldn't say that, since he did anwser the question in the title, it would be clickbait if it was
"I found the Eagle after 52 years around the moon???"
@@Splinter-ge9pf No it won't be like that at all so why ask question
@@junholee4961 Ik, that's why it's clickbait. The current title isn't
@@Splinter-ge9pf The question in the title is clickbaity
All through the simulation bit I was saying "ooooooh.... extreme sensitivity to initial conditions you know!" .... but then you got onto that.
Wow that's kind of amazing to think that the Apollo 10 ascent module is still out there in space with no crew aboard and dark and cold for the past 53 years. Sounds like stuff of science fiction.
Scott, your videos always deliver! Thank you for everything you do!
Don't we have equipment that could detect the reflected light from the module as it transits one of the dark maria, in similar fashion to how we detect exoplanets as they transit their stars?
No, there are a lot of reflective surfaces on the Eagle orbiter, and the James Webb Space Telescope has the ability to spot a candle on Pluto, so it will be able to notice the reflection off the Eagle from a metal part glinting in the Sun.
Planetary radar as Scott said could be even easier since a metal object like that with square faces will act like a perfect reflector
@@johnsmith1474 A good argument can be made that the prosperity of the '60s and early '70s was a spin off of technology developed by NASA and released free to the public. When NASA's budget was shrunk, so did our economy.
I bet if the amature astronomy clubs made it a contest... they would spot it within a week with the big backyard scopes.
@@evannibbe9375 If JWST ever actually flies and is fully operational (and that is by no means a certainty), it will never be able to see the Moon due to its L2 halo orbit - i.e. one which means Moon and the close orbits around it are always sunward - and the large sunshade it needs to operate.
@@johnsmith1474 says a person using space technology ti comment.
It's unlikely anyone would bring the Apollo 11 ascent stage back to earth (encasing it in a heat-shielded craft, with all that entails), but wouldn't it be amazing to capture it, return it to the landing site on the moon and preserve this location for future generations as a historical monument. Far more achievable I would think.
space SHUTTLE could have brought it back to EARTH!
@@elektrolyte did the shuttle have the capability to get to the moon? I’m not sure it did, but a nice idea.
If it is still out there, we should really consider trying to recover it, perhaps having a space tug bring it to Gateway where it can be studied and then have a Starship bring it back to Earth.
Amateur space fan. Computer expert. Silicon Valley. It's you isn't it Scott? ;)
Nah, he works for apple surprisingly
@@Steph.98114 Oh I'm aware of this, as a sysadmin for Apple products.
@@Steph.98114 how does that at all warrant a 'nah'?
@@oldfrend I was ignoring that part ;)
"Space is for everybody"
- @Scott Manley
Yes if they can afford it, if not hard luck. So it’s only for the super billion dollar people.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video.
The moon is for whoever grabs the most raw material below the surface.. plant the flag on the moon,Mars can wait.
Really interesting! I never really thought about what happened to all those lunar landers. Thanks for posting!
Walt Disney threw them out in the trash.
@@1stamendment999 Nah, there was no use going back to the moon once we found out it wasn't made of cheese.....
Pardon this ,if you’ve already heard this amusing tale.
It seemed that after returning from their Apollo 11 mission , Armstrong, Aldrin & Collins rode together in a taxi to one of many awards ceremonies celebrating their accomplishments. Armstrong and Aldrin departed the taxi for the Smithsonian for the ceremony while Collins remained with the taxi completing 12 orbits of the block.