What's the Difference Between Christian Denominations? (Communion) Part 1
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- The Lord's Supper, the Eucharist, Holy Communion - even the variety of names tells you that there are plenty of differences in the way people practice this sacrament...or is it an ordinance? In this video we'll discuss some of the many differences denominations have on this topic.
Part 2: • What's the Difference ...
Part 3: • What's the Difference ...
Part 2 is now available: ua-cam.com/video/DXOvGLAOws4/v-deo.html
Does this include Torah Observant Christians ? Happy Hanukkah everyone. 😊
Why would you bother? All Christianity is false either way
@@tudormiller887 there’s no such thing, you either follow Christ or the Jews 😂 you can’t call yourself a lover of Jesus and actively follow those who called him an idolater and a soothsayer not to mention they say he’s burning in hell and what they say about his beloved mother I’m not even going to repeat
TY for the interesting and informative video on the most blessed sacrament.
One thing that surprised me is that when you mentioned the use of grape juice in churches - particularly around the temperance movement - and even showed Welch's, there was no mention in word or text of the largest mainline protestant sect in the USA - Methodism - and how it led to the creation of Welch's.
In any event, to my fellow Catholic religious fanatics: I watched it too, and just breathe, it's going to be ok.
Just curious if the section on fractioning in Catholicism was originally longer? It seemed kinda short and almost cut-off. I was surprised the video didn't mention that it happens after the consecration as there were issues with some priests fractioning during the consecration at the institution narrative despite the clear instructions in the rubrics. Also figured with the detail in other places there would have been mention of which groups use commingling (e.g. in Catholicism a small piece of the priest's consecrated host is placed in the chalice as part of the fraction rite)
Since Josh opened the door to irreverent takes: some wag in my Catholic seminary once noted that the true test of faith is not the believing that the communion wafer is the Body and Blood, but the true test is believing that that flat dry wheaten disc is actually bread.
I’m only 7 minutes in but thank you so much for correctly explaining the Catholic teachings on these things!
You're welcome! My first priority in all of my videos is to correctly explain each view.
@@ReadyToHarvestyou’re a pro. At least I can verify for Catholicism that your understanding is as good as mine 😁
Where there are misunderstandings about Catholic teachings, whose fault is it? How do you go about understanding the teachings of other denominations?
@@christusenciaga answering for myself, the easiest way to properly understand a specific groups teaching on a subject is to go straight to the source. Starting with denominational catechisms / statements of faith (or whatever they call it). If anything within them is unclear I find someone who is considered a faithful adherent to that denomination and has explained it well and I read/listen to that.
@@TyranBatten thank you 🙏🏻
That’s kinda his deal.
I am a sub-deacon in an Eastern Orthodox Church. I am a subscriber to your channel. Your explanation of our bread and wine was accurate. Also, we appreciate your unbiased approach. I have made the prosfora and I am there in the altar as it is prepared for the people.
If you were truly unbiased you wouldn’t even be a Christian you’d be a Muslim
How is it Christ’s blood and a bloodless sacrifice at the same time?
You bake it yourself? That’s pretty cool.
@@toferg.8264 That's the _m y s t e r y_ lol, but in seriousness the "bloodless sacrifice" refers to the sacrifical giving of bread and wine (as opposed to an animal/human sacrifice) upon the altar, which is then mystically transformed by the Holy Spirit into Christ's Blood and Body. Thus, it is at one time a bloodless sacrifice, and at a later time Christ's Blood.
One of the reasons I really enjoy this channel is because of how consistently and professionally he commits to being one hundred percent objective and informative. He’s never betrayed any biases in his delivery covering a wide variety of topics…
…except for today. For the first time, at 13:10, you can hear the ever so slight eye twitch and teeth grind as the words “…cran grape juice cocktail…” pass his teeth. Bust out laughing and had to explain to my wife what I found so funny.
The raisins boiled in water got me good 😂 I commend your ability to say it with such a straight face.
I've seen books published that are so adamant that it must be grape juice that they publish recipes on how to boil and strain raisins to make juice from grapes......
It was the grape and bread on a cocktail stick that got me. 😂
I know this is a real thing in a number of African churches where grape juice is cost prohibitive.
그것은 숙고와 자기 성찰을 통해
엄숙한 이루어져야 합니다. 한 가지 차이점을 해석인데, 어떤 사람들은 ‘이것이 내 몸이다 … 이것은 내
피다‘에 초점을 맞추는 반면, 어떤
사람들은 ‘이것이 나를 기념하여
행하라‘에 초점을 맞춥니다.
Your coverage of the Catholic view on all of this is correct. Just one thing to add: the reason that the priest mixes a little bit of water with the wine is not to dilute the wine but because both Blood *and water* gushed forth from Jesus' side when He was stabbed with the soldier's lance on the Cross. Interestingly, my Nana has celiac disease but always receives regular Hosts at Communion - she doesn't need low gluten ones. And that's my Archdiocese at 18:42! Looking forward to the next two parts!
The pictures chosen are so on point
And great timing in the edit
Thanks, Jessica! It took FOREVER to edit this series of videos but I thought it would be worth it.
Today I learned that there is something called the "New Apostolic Church." Many of us would consider this phrasing to be an oxymoron.
😂😂😂😂😂🎉
Really appreciate your willingness to sort through and explain the myriad of practices.
How fascinating! There's more veriety than I thought. I'm am Australian Presbyterian. In my experience we just use ordinary store-bought bread cut into 1cm/half inch cubes, and usually grape juice. The first chuch I went to after becoming a Christian at 18, used to throw any leftover bread out the vestry door for the sparrows - I imagine some denominations' clergy would be horrified at that!
This is the best channel on UA-cam for accurate information on what all these different Churches teach. Thanks for all the hard work that goes into fact checking this information.
Thank you for calling Catholics "Christian". As a child, a horrible memory is when Protestants told me that I was not really Christian...
While I have some pretty significant differences with Catholic theology and practice, I consider Catholics my brothers and sisters in Christ. It should be noted, many Catholics say I am not a Christian, so it goes both ways sometimes! 😏 God bless.
I am now 74 years old. When I was a kid Catholics often said they were the one and only and I was doomed to Hell for doing such terrible things like eating meat on Friday. Meanwhile the most rebellious kids and troublesome kids in school were all Catholic. Sir George Martin, the Beatles producer, referred to it as "the Catholic edge". Just saying. @@mercster
@@mercster Yes, "it's the one true church." I get it. However, I never said that to ANY religion myself...
@@DV-mq5fv The bigotry continues. As retired teacher from both Catholic and Lutheran parochial schools 🏫, I can tell you that Protestants have done their fair share of bad behavior as well...
@@mercster It's likely that there are far fewer Catholics who would say that, and they might be ignorant of their faith since they don't even know what the Catechism says. Personally, I've heard Protestants say to my face countless times that Catholics are not Christians (from what I could gather, it’s a usual tactic to convince Catholics to convert). However, I've never heard a single Catholic say something like that in person. Not once! While some Catholics may say such things online (there are bad actors in every group), the ratio is still significantly higher among Protestants.
very good video! i love hearing about all the differences between denominations. my only advice would be to mention groups like Quakers (of which i am one) who do not celebrate sacraments, as we view all things as sacraments.
They are coming in part 3
@@ReadyToHarvestas a Quaker affiliate myself, that is good to know, ta. 🙂
This was such a brilliant video! Amazing work!
Fascinating, I had no idea The Apology to the Augsburg Confession describes the Eucharist as a "sacrifice" even if it uses it in a different sense from the Catholic understanding. I learn something new every day.
The Apology is good reading, IIRC Phillip Melancrhon wrote it...IMHO, every serious Lutheran should own a copy of the Bbok of Concord!
Thank you for your thorough and thoughtful research. I appreciate you probing the source documents of each denomination to state their viewpoint. It shows a devotion to theological scholarship lacking in many.
As a Catholic thanks for explaining the beliefs. I’m still learning my religion and like knowing the beliefs of other Christian denominations
I grew up in the wine-hating South. It wasn't until I read the bible that I realized that in 1st Corinthians 11, Paul is chastising the saints for getting drunk at the Lord's table. So, I asked a Southern Baptist deacon and his wife about the passage, and all I got was pushback. Then I asked them if the Corinthians were drinking grape juice, how could they get drunk in the first place?
I've a had a glass of Welch's in my day, and not once did I ever get the slightest buzz.
For people who say they rely on the Bible alone, it sure was awfully quiet when I asked how the saints got wasted on Welch's.
Not only that, but how could they be seen as gluttons if all they were eating was a wafer or piece of bread?
On top of that, they were coming to the table and feeding themselves, and not a gatekeeping ceremony with a dude essentially throwing out drops and crumbs. It was a flipping meal.
We're taking the Lord's Passover under lock and key, blinded by pomp and gatekeeping. When Jesus fed Peter on the beach, Peter didn't leave hungry physically or spiritually as he was told to feed Christ's sheep.
Isn't it awful when you can't wait for the ceremony to end so you can go out to eat and let a stranger feed you better than your church did?
No one ever came to dine with Jesus and left hungry. Even a restaurant appetizer puts these tables to shame.
And all we do is argue over our theories of blood and body while the flocks are still starving. God, have mercy!
Ugh! God, send your son soon.
This is my favorite series.
I’m Roman Catholic and love hearing about how other denominations do things.
Who cares? They're heretical. Surprised the Methodists haven't yet somehow involved gender in it. Or the pentecostals drinking poison, etc. Does not matter. Sad they've followed the deviations of heretics.
I was worried you (and other Catholics/Orthodox) would be cringing the whole vid from all the whacky things Protestants are doing for Communion
@@danshakuimo Most Protestants aren’t doing anything weird at all.
Wacky is in the eye of the beholder. I find most members of the Roman Church have little knowledge of other denominations which in turn feed all kinds of stereotypes lumping dissimilar groups as one group. In some cases, denominations are splitting hairs with others while others have very radical differences. This series is aimed at those who do not know what others believe. @@danshakuimo
Tremendous research as always. So much great information! You did accidentally mix up the Doctrine and Covenants and the Book of Mormon but you got the doctrine right, which is what is important.
Thanks Heber. I meant to say something like "Mormon Scripture" but said "book of Mormon", which as you said is incorrect.
@@ReadyToHarvest No problem. The video showed the scriptural reference and correctly cited it as Doctrine and Covenants. So when you said Book of Mormon I figured you just misspoke. No offense taken at all. You do a great job. Keep it up!
That was a fascinating video. Very much looking forward to further videos like this one
Correction. The orthodox chalice holds the body and blood. Not wine. And not blood only. Both elements are present in the chalice.
Churches that would use disposable individual cups clearly don't believe that Christ is really present in the body and blood of Christ cause how can you just dispose of Christ's blood like that?
The enemy comes to divide.
Jesus final prayer to Our Father,
“I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one-as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one.”
문제는 이 연합이 짐승과 거짓
선지자 아래서 이루어질 것인지,
아니면 실제로 그리스도의 왕국을
위한 것인지입니다.
One of the reasons that these videos are so good and so successful at sharing information is that we have no idea what Joshuas own faith tradition is.
He's stated that he's a teacher at a Baptist seminary.
@@jacksprattt6396 I have missed that statement. Thanks
The chalice contains both the Body and Blood in the Orthodox Church.
@14:47 Nobody actually receives at what JWs call "The Lord's Evening Meal" because they believe only the 144,000 are permitted to receive and they have all now passed from this world.
All Hail Christ, truly present in the Eucharist!
…and the #PalmarianCatholicChurch also believes that Mary is present in the Eucharist, as Body, Blood, and Soul!
@@Cjnw Why do they believe that, there's absolutely nothing in the Bible or taught by the Fathers or Doctors that would make anyone think that
The last section brings to mind that time, during Covid, where I was watching a live stream from a Pastor (who was streaming from home) and all I had to hand was a cake slice and a can of Red Bull. 😅😂
I serve at an Anglo-Catholic church. One of our priests (we have two who takes the service depending on their availability) shares the large host amongst the servers
I love the Anglican and Lutheran churches. Their services are beautiful, especially the High Church services, yet they’re from a Protestant perspective.
I loved Lutheran church till after attending for over a year I found out I couldn’t take communion without making vows and covenants to God. No where in the Bible does it say you can only take communion with confirmation which is proclaiming your faith but also you must make vows to God. One is that you rather endure death then fall away from Lutheran teachings. I also find it troubling you can’t find the vows on the website or any books anywhere like it’s some secret.
@@tianagray There are no secrets in confessional Lutheranism. If you were to attend a class at a Lutheran church to learn about the teachings you would learn the reason why Lutherans practice closed communion -- it's based on what the Bible says about taking Holy Communion in a wrong way that would harm you. I'm sure if you've been to a Lutheran church - you've seen the notice in the bulletin and heard the pastor say before the service that only members of that Lutheran denomination can receive the sacrament -- Lutherans do this out of love. I hope you would reconsider and actually talk to the pastor rather than make assumptions. If you cannot acknowledge and profess your faith in God, why are you in church?
@@jacksprattt6396 maybe there’s nothing secret but why is it hidden? If I go to wels website I can’t find the vows or covenants. It’s not in catechism or the book you go thru for confirnation. I think that would be important to include right? I don’t know. I totally understand why Lutherans want to make sure someone believes gospel and right things about Bible. No issues there. I guess I don’t understand why vows or covenants are needed to be confirmed in order to take communion.
I can acknowledge and profess faith in God but what I don’t feel good about is making vows when I’m not perfect and then feeling like I must do things out of fear rather then love for God.
I am not in church as I don’t feel good about vows but plan to talk to the pastor next week. He did say maybe I could take communion with out confirmation but I really don’t know the details yet. I might be happy if I can declare my faith without making vows or covenants to do things. I did that in Mormon church and never felt like it was good.
@@PrayAlwaysAnglican thank you… I will check those churches out. I can’t take communion right now unfortunately
The Catholic Church also teaches that the communion wine must be natural grape wine (not table wine). See Canon 924 §3 of the Codex Juris Canonici
Outstanding research!
12:38 slight correlation here. The Book of Mormon says that it should be wine. It's the Doctrine and Covenants that says water is fine, which you show visually, but you must have had a Freudian Slip and forgot to rerecord
Another important thing to mention, is what different denominations do with the leftover Bread and Wine after the service. This relates, among other things, to the view on the Real Presence - does Christ's Real Presence remain even outside the specific context of "take and eat"?
Don't worry, this is just part one, it is mentioned later.
According to many catholic churches, Jesus has only entered when the red light comes on!!!!
Presumably, when the light goes off, the catholic jesus has left the building.
@@astutik8909 🤦♂ Seriously? I really hope this is a joke and not your actual understanding of what you think Catholics believe. The sanctuary lamp (usually a red candle) is always lit as a sign that Jesus is present in the tabernacle, but it being lit or not has no effect on whether Jesus is actually present.
@@ram010992
This is truly what happens in many catholic churches.
The laity wait for a red light to turn on, signifying that Christ has entered the bread and wine.
You can YT it.
I asked them, who flicked the switch? No replies.
@@astutik8909your caricature of the Catholic faith is corny
In Orthodoxy, the consecrated bread is put directly into the wine, and a spoonful of wine and soaked bread is then dropped into each communicants mouth. You can see that bread-in-wine mix in the image you have of an Orthodox priest holding up the chalice. The later scene where the priest is holding a big bowl of bread and handing it out is he blessed but not consecrated bread. That bread is handed out at the end of the service, as people walk up to the priest for a final blessing before leaving.
Thank you, Brother Joshua 🌹⭐🌹
Super important detail: differences in the verbal “formula” used-if any is used at all!
This video is part 1. That is mentioned in one of the following videos. 👍
One correction: the verse quoted at 12:33 for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is from the Doctrine and Covenants, which is not part of the Book of Mormon. It is a separate book of scripture. Great verse, appropriately used, just not part of the Book of Mormon.
Thanks for the great video.
Regarding the sacrament taken by those of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the direction is actually found in the Doctrine & Covenants and not the Book of Mormon. It is one of the foir standard works of the Church (Holy Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price). Otherwise, another great video.
What was quoted in the video on why water can be used is found in D&C 27:2. How the mode of administration is done is found in Moroni 4 and 5 of the Book of Mormon. Jesus Christ explains the how and why it is done in 3 Nephi 18
You spelled Joseph Smith wrong.
@@TheRealWilliamWhiteyou are unfunny like all closed-minded closed canon dogmatic Pharisee gatekeepers are.
모로나이? 바보들을 위한 성서가
있는 줄은 몰랐어요!
I really like the Lutheran view … takes Christ’s words at face value and doesn’t feel a need to add on extra explanations using mere human logic like the Catholics do. The fact that there might be mystery (from our human perspective trapped in the third dimension) for these things IS logical.
Great video, very helpful. I was hoping you'd talk about whether or not communion can be taken without a minister / pastor / priest. I changed churches a few years ago and though I like many things about our new church home, one that I struggle with is much less frequent communion than I'm used to. I investigated whether it's OK for me, as a layperson, to lead communion at home for my own family, and found MANY differing opinions online. I am sure this is due to all the different church traditions much like this video demonstrates for the bread and wine/juice! But would be interesting to see specifically what different denominations are teaching.
Note: This is slightly different than the idea of taking communion at home as lead by a pastor during a livestream. Hope that makes sense!
This is touched on a bit more in either part 2 or part 3
@@ReadyToHarvest Awesome thanks, looking forward to it! :)
I never even wondered about it, lmao at the variety. Turns out my church uses wine from the same local producer since the 19th century! Very cool
Great compilation. Very interesting.
In The Catholic Eucharist, the bread and wine, each, contain both the Body and the Blood.
I've understood that communion in Protestant churches use crackers and grape juice. The Lord did NOT use crackers and grape juice, but, rather, bread and wine.
When the priest consecrates the Bread and Wine, we are transported to the foot of the Cross.
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. We are supposed to take the Lord supper every first day of the week has commanded.
My church has raised bread and then offers both a cup of wine and a cup of grape juice for Intinction. We also have a gluten free station, also with both wine and grape juice. Since COVID, we have also offered prepackaged packets, but their use has steadily declined.
Coptic Orthodox infants frequently only receive the blood from the chalice.
Same with regarding extreme medical situation.
This video and one on baptism are helping simplify denominational triage.
Anyone lower than Reformed are contra to Scripture on two fundamental teachings (Baptist, non-denom, etc.)
요한복음 3:23
It might have also been interesting to mention denominations that don't practice communion at all, like Quakers and the Salvation Army.
Part 3 mentions them
Sorry, where is part 3, or part 3 of what?
@@WeibenWang This video is part 1. The next two parts will be coming out in the next 2 weeks.
IC. I look forward to it.
In my Catholic parish in germany we use White wine (I think Riesling) for wine. One of the problems with red wine is that it causes stains.
I think white wine is pretty universal at this point, or at least very common. We also only use white wine where I'm from. One explanation is the staining. Another, more theological explanation, I've heard, is this: By using wine which doesn't have the colour of blood, we emphasise that the transubstantiation of wine into Blood is not something we can physically detect, even with our eyes. Although this might be a "chicken or egg" situation.
I've seen plenty of videos on the differences between denominations .. I'd like to see a video on how these differences came about, and what the root traditions were that preceded these differences.
Perhaps baptism vs sprinkling .. and why/how/when the difference/split/change occured occurred could be a starting point for a series of shorts.
요한복음 3:23
The Coptic Church requires at least 3 loaves and the number must be odd.
Catholics believe that not only are the Body and Blood of Christ present under both species, but also His Soul and Divinity.
The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ, the God-Man, Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.
Another great video I would’ve been interested in hearing the difference in how often each denominations partake of communion, weekly, every meeting, each month, on Easter etc
It is is part 2 or 3
The "communion kebob" with the bread and grape! 🤣🤦♂
Yeah, almost like they were having a wine and cheese party. 😂
19:21 for anyone reading this the 2005 report is really interesting and (to me at least) a fun read. The reason for the “odd” food and drink is ease of access, two different cups one alcohol and the other grape juice for people who are recovering/recovered alcoholics, and a plethora of other reasons.
TLDR: report at timestamp gives reasons and examples for communion food and drink
I knew some of this but thanks for a fuller understanding.
Thanks Josh! I think most people would want to stick to wine and unleavened bread due to to symbolic significance of the wine being purified by fermentation, and the lack of leaven... but at the same time, if someone is house-bound or ill, or poor, or has nothing else... my church teaches that even a cracker and water can be used... God cares what is in the heart. But a sincere Christian, I would think, would want to make the small effort to take the appropriate things, if it is at all possible. 👍
At the end of the day, it is between them and Father, not really anyone else. Anyone thinking they're making a hilarious joke by posting disgusting pictures of abusing elements of communion are clowns who aren't hurting anyone. (Don't read the Amazon reviews for communion sets and wafers, you will see all sorts of human ugliness.)
There also differences in what words are spoken by the pastor when giving the elements to the people.
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Great summary. Thanks for the video
Love these
Thank you for your service
Very informative
يعطيك الف عافية
Allah HuAkbar! 🕌🕋🕌
흥미로운 점은 아랍어 문자의 아랍어는 번역할 수 있지만 라틴 알파벳의 아압어는 번역할 수 앖다는
것입니다.
In case anyone is wondering, the church with the communion kebab was a Baptist church. I did the digging for ya.
In the Coptic Orthodox Church, there's a basket of an odd number of loafs (minimum of three). The entire basket is presented at the start of the mass and the presiding clergy selects the best one to be consicrated and the rest are broken after the mass and distributed to the congregation.
I've been with the Campbellites for over 70 years and am aware of almost a dozen reasons why a small town may have three congregations, each of them so small they have a hard time paying the light bill. However, this is the first time I've heard of a single cup church of Christ. And them I found out that somebody's using a "loaf"!! Pretty sure some of the brethren regard this as worse than instrumental music. When someone in the congregation isn't making the bread, we have Manischewitz matzoh.
Aren't some of the Psalms played to musical instruments?
@@Cjnw Not for us. If Paul wanted instruments of music (that's what we called them), he would have said so. "Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord." Eph 5:19. We were very big on "Speaking where the Bible speaks and remaining silent where the Bible is silent" (except, of course, for "that's the way we've always done it")
The amount of research these videos require!! :-o
Small correction: 12:35 you said it is from the Book of Mormon, but the quote is from Doctrine and Covenants as displayed on the screen
I don't know how you do it, man. Clear, concise, well informed.
Also, I learned the word impanation. Come on, that's a great word even if I don't believe in it.
While most people don’t “need” as much detail as you have provided here, it is generally a good thing that people be aware of other language, doctrine and practice than that to which they are accustomed.
My views on this subject (as with most subjects) are my own so please don’t “blame” my parents or anyone else for my beliefs and preferences.
I consider the faith of Jesus to be a personal faith - not institutional - so I object to anything I consider to imply that a religious organization or its officers have any spiritual authority not freely available from the Lord himself to every lay person.
Given my view on the personal nature of my religion, it will come as no surprise that I consider the use of the bread and wine of the Lord’s supper to be important but not efficacious - i.e. I don’t believe the grace of God is received through the bread and wine or through the ceremony (or meal) where the bread and wine are eaten and drunk.
I like to attend the worship services of a variety of denominations (and “non-denominational” congregations) but I seldom participate where the congregation is not accustomed to following the instruction in I Corinthians 11 to tarry one for another - i.e if members of the congregation eat the bread before everyone has been served or drink the wine before everyone has been served.
I think this is the first time I’ve been aware of any statement by an officer (or official document) of the Roman Church that the sacrifice of the mass is not a repetition of the sacrifice of Jesus. My dad stopped attending the services of the Roman Church when he was in his twenties but, before then, he was under the impression that
The invocation of the priest was considered as creating the body and blood of Jesus
The mass was considered a repetition of the sacrifice of Jesus
and he objected to all of the above.
On those rare occasions when I attend a service where the laity are accustomed to kneeling while the clergy are standing, I don’t participate. Nor do I customarily kneel in any situation where clergy or laity are “officiating”. For example, my wife’s brother, John, a Free Methodist pastor, knelt with my bride and me during the celebration of our wedding.
One person's exegesis is another's eisigesis and hundreds of denominations are sure they're not wrong.
God is unchanging and perfect... And a great communicator
Very informative, thank you!
This was very fascinating. My church uses one piece of unleavened bread and unfermented grape juice out of only two cups, but that's not what we view as the important part. We would fellowship a Church that uses wine or individual cups, but NOT one that viewed it as essential to salvation.
I grew up Catholic, and now attend a Lutheran church, so it seems strange that some churches only have communion once a month. Maybe I'm biased in my thinking, but it seems like Jesus' words during the Last Supper were an expectation for His followers.
I was raised Baptist and became Lutheran. I was raised in a church that did it monthly but switched to quarterly, and went to other churches where it was served only rarely. I prefer the every week model!
@@angiebee2225 Me too.
So it IS magic ritual.
It's not Magic.
Are there any denominations that believe in the true presence at communion but don't baptize babies? That seems to be a strange dividing line that the humongous amount of denominations has never crossed.
Crazy how divided we are. No wander there are so many atheists out there. We can't agree on hardly anything. Quite sad actually...
Mainly thanks to Protestantism 😉
@freda7961 Yes. I sometimes think it was wrong to throw out the catholic church's interpretation of scripture. Maybe just what wasn't biblical. Then there wouldn't be so many denominations and interpretations...
@@legacyandlegend Or maybe the Catholic Church's interpretation is the right one in the first place, and the splintering into many differing, contradictory interpretations is not the way to do things.
@freda7961 I agree. Baptists, reformers, and low church protestants went too far away from catholicism. Although I'm about as close to a catholic as you can get without actually being one. I'm not exactly an unbiased protestant.
@@legacyandlegend Praying for unity one day for all Christians, be it Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox Christians.
God bless you all 🙏
Ok, on the Eastern Orthodox side we have the Lamb (consecrated bread) in the Blood (wine) and it is received by a spoon
Can u explain the chaldean catholic church in 2 minutes?
Religion makes people do strange things with great conviction.
Idk why the more i watch this chanel the more i understand other churches and see nothing wrong with most of thier views on such matters ; just different points of views that can all be valid as the bible doesn't give a direct answer to them .
Excellent overview of an incredibly broad topic. I will add a small point if I may. The Catholic and Orthodox are so close on this subject, that the Catholic Church recognizes as valid the sacraments (including Holy Communion) of the Eastern Orthodox and many (though not all) Orthodox Churches reciprocate that recognition. That said the two churches are not "in communion" with one another and so members may not commune in each other's churches (Catholics make rare exceptions for this, but the Orthodox generally do not.)
You're close but not exactly. Catholics are not allowed to receive orthodox communion and need to hide the fact they are Cathilic in order to do so. It's much more of a one way street than any kind of reciprocation
This video is part 1. Discussion of mutual recognitions of validity is coming up.
I was raised in the Episcopal Church and occasionally, people would bake leavened bread to use for communion instead of the wafers. Now, I am Catholic, and in both the Catholic and Episcopal Churches, the priest will break up the priest host and use it instead of the small wafers for the first people who receive communion.
Remember, the Episcopal/Anglican church has women priests!
7:13 Have you done a video on Low vs High Church? First time hearing these terms. I would assume some people see the term “low” as derogatory?
Low is not derogatory. It simply means emphasis on ritual. High churches are very particular about rituals (like Catholic Mass) while low churches are more freeform and do not necessarily have to follow a structure for services.
Some do view low church as a derogatory, others view it more neutrally or even positively.
High church types tend to be very sacramental and ritualistic in their approach to worship services (priests / pastors wearing special garments, the worship service focusing specifically on the communion, and usually a lot of rituals that the congregation does). Low church services tend to be less ritualistic, heavily emphasizing the sermon in the worship service, and having a more simple approach to worship; but it can also get divided between traditional reverent piety and a contemporary energetic approach.
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It gets more complicated when, youre a low church, keeping the passover in a skyscraper.
@@williamanderson7757Is using a formal liturgy not the basic line of division? I was raised in a low church environment and "high" church was viewed as a negative thing, with too much standing and sitting and kneeling and "vain traditions of men". I attend a liturgical church now...
Great explanations. We Should seek to understand the positions we claim to stand against
Very informative video! Despite being a True Orthodox Christian for 29 years, I had never come across the alternative term metaousis for transubstantiation. Though both are acceptable, this would seem to be closer to the original Greek of the Septuagint, the New Testament and the church fathers. However, unlike in some of your other videos, you failed to mention us, at all, (the logical place would have been immediately after the presentation of the (Eastern) Orthodox, who should be called "World Orthodox" as an alternative epithet to reflect their membership of and/or communion with the "World Council of Churches" (WCC) in all cases, which distinguishes them from the True, Genuine, Authentic, Old Style or Catacomb Orthodox Christians). You failed to mention True, Genuine, Authentic, Old Style or Catacomb Orthodox Christians (these terms are somewhat overlapping) or, for that matter, Old Believers (of both the priestly and the priestless types). I trust these will be included in part 2 and also in any revisions of this original part 1 video.❤😊
Some "Old Believers" have used pagan symbols and rituals, especially among the priestless
Thanks!
I appreciate that, Don!
In part two, could you touch upon different churches requirements for receiving communion? Some have a minimum age or require First Communion, some require the recipient be baptized, some require the recipient be a member of that church body
Thank you for including Latter-day Saints.
Unfortunately it was inappropriate to include LDS, as they do not affirm the Nicene Creed which all Christians must affirm to validly claim the title.
@@Wilkins325 I'm sorry you feel that way.
@@Wilkins325many false prophets and false priests of LAMESTREAM Christianity took a collective dump and called it the Nicene Creed. Then God the Eternal Father and His Beloved Son JESUS CHRIST appeared to Joseph Smith and flushed that apostate turd down the toilet bowl of religious history but you infidels are still eating that crap like it is the most delicious food you have ever had. Yuck!
@@Wilkins325That's obviously incorrect, given that the Christians of the New Testament affirmed no such creed.
@@00Fisher00 The Nicene creed was not formulated yet, but all of the concepts found in it are found in Scripture. Do you believe in Sola Scriptura?
"[T]he breaking of bread and drinking of wine by our Savior with His disciples, we believe, was figurative, the true Christian Supper being that set forth in the words of Revelation, iii, 20: 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me.' " Rules of Discipline of the Yearly Meeting of Friends of North Carolina, 1908.
Great video, as always. I'm curious as to why you didn't cover communion by intinction?
This is only part 1. Much more is discussed in the next 2 parts.
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Most informative.
An extremely interesting and informative vlog. It does beg the question, however, as to how so many different interpretations can be made of the clear, unambiguous, and perfect inspired word of God? How can any church-goer know their church is the true faith and not a false one?
start with a Church that can trace it's roots to the Apostles. it's called Apostolic Succession.
I appreciate your comprehensive response. Your primary advice is to read the Bible yourself, and up to a limited point this works. There are many practices by churches that have an equivocal biblical basis (ie tradition, magisterium etc) and can be more easily dismissed. However the bulk of salvation and end-times doctrine is highly interpretive and beyond the average lay-reader to understand purely from reading the Bible. As a consequence people turn to external 'doctrine-interpreting' churches or denominations - many with very different and incompatible explanations of scripture and doctrine (eg Calvinism and Arminianism). Just reading the Bible and excluding all external temporal influence may well just confuse and lead to wrong interpretations anyway. Its an impossible conundrum. @@davidswiger3324
As an Episcopalian member of the Worldwide Anglican Communion, our common belief about the Sacrament of Holy Communion is that we receive the Real Presence of the Body and Blood of Christ. For Anglicans/Episcopalians the elements of bread and wine, through the sacrifice and mystery of our faith, become the Body and Blood of Christ. We reserve the consecrated elements of bread and wine, the Real Presence of the Body and Blood in an aumbry or tabernacle.Ours is a CATHOLIC position, although not recognized by Rome. We receive the Sacrament of Christ's Body and Blood in both species of bread and wine. Your repeated use of Low or High Church is an anomaly to most Episcopalians who pray according to the Book of Common Prayer which proclaims that the Holy Eucharist is the PRINCIPLE act of Christian worship.
The point about the phrase "Real Presence" is that it is such an elastic term that it means nothing, as it can describe anything from Transubstantiation to the Calvinist "spiritual" presence, to receptionism. Moreover, the phrase was coined for the express purpose of creating such confusion, to paper over significant theological differences by claiming that they are "the same thing."
High and Low church are very important distinctions in our tradition. It's not an outsider term. We (the Anglican communion) created the high/low distinction that was later adopted by other protestants (and sometimes even catholics distinguishing between Latin mass and the contemporary liturgy)
Holy Eucharist becoming the principal service was also instituted in the 1979 BCP, which is our most modern official book. Granted, Anglo-Catholics were doing it anyway. But the principal service was originally Matins, and it still is in low churches.
I have gone to high and low churches. The beauty is that both traditions belong to one church. But they are very different, and we are not as united as we like to believe. I have had low churchmen complain that our church worships idols and worships bread (we do corpus christi processions, monstrances, and adoration). Low churchmen hate even the sign of Christ on the crucifix, believing that his presence makes the crucifix an idol instead of a symbol.
As for the official doctrines, what happens is officially "a mystery". The faithful are required to believe christ is present in the eucharist, but are not required to explain how. In most Episcopal churches, which are not bound by the anti-catholic 39 articles, belief in either transubstantiation or consubstantiation (which has anglican pre-reformation origins) are optional pious beliefs.
@@sameash3153 in Catholicism, a “high” Mass or “low” Mass is based on the degree of ornateness of the liturgy, a “high Mass” has all the “smells and bells” while a “low Mass” is more scaled back, it really has nothing to do with the language in which it is conducted
@Michael-bk5nz That's a solemn mass, we have the same thing. High churches use solemn masses, which require bells, incense, a procession of priest, deacon, and subdeacon, and so on. We have solemn mass in the sanctuary and simple mass in the chapel.
I did not use high/low to describe mass, I used it to describe the congregation. I attend a catholic church in my town and it is a "higher" church (with more observances of things like hair covering, Latin, traditional music) than some churches which don't observe any of that. But as I said, the term has its origins in Anglicanism to describe the split between puritan protestants and anglo-catholics. It is only sometimes used in the catholic church, and it is not as precisely drawn in catholics.
@@sameash3153 I know the difference between High Church and Low Church, I was just trying to clarify because you seemed to be saying that a “High” Mass is in Latin while a “Low” Mass is in English. That is an easy mistake to make because most Novus Ordo Masses in the US today are low Masses.
High (or solemn) and Low are also used to describe musical settings of the Mass, a solemn Mass, like the ones by Beethoven and Bach, but everything to music and usually lasts around 90 minutes to 2 hours, while a “Low” Mass includes only the normal musical parts and is usually around 30-40 minutes long at most
Crazy how you consider the original church just another denomination.
It happens.
I find that protestants consider Catholicism and Orthodoxy as just more denominations with no more or less right as any other, when they consider them Christian at all.
Nothing significant distinguishes any because they all fail to include extortion among the sins.
In today's world, the true distinction is whether they'll refuse to grovel to Old Sweetie...some still make such a refusal...but most are totally sold out to Old Sweets...
@@tgriffin3059 The abandonment of the communist debate, created by Christians themselves in the wake of Adam Smith's moral proof of the dismal motivations of capital, showed the entire Christian movement to never have served any purpose beyond political control.
Hoc Est Corpus Meum... is means IS!!!
Worrying about the answer to this question to the point of conflict shows that someone does not actually care about following the teachings of Christ. Every answer to the question of "what happens to those Host during Communion" or "is Communion a sacrament" is something that is 100% fiction, and caring about it that hard is a LARP used to create division where none actually exists.