If I remember Smoke Scouts' videos correctly, this could mean good things for the Workhorse. On the other hand, we don't know anything about using the damper on the Goldee’s smoker.
There’s simply no better value in the high end offset market than Workhorse. I bought one two years ago and love it. That’s not to say the other big name pits on the market aren’t great. But you simply can’t beat Workhorse’s price point. Standard 3/8” steel throughout. Huge capacity. I did about a year of research prior to purchasing. Videos like this will definitely help people be informed consumers. Well done!!
I just discovered your channel last night. Thank you for putting out such great content. It’s incredibly informative. It’s such a bummer though to see how much the workhorse 1975 is now compared to when this video was made. Base model is now a little over $800 more expensive. At this rate it just seems like a well made offset smoker is a luxury item. 😮💨
Thanks for doing all this research for us! I’m looking to upgrade my bbq game by buying a premium offset. These are definitely the top 2 I’m looking at. Just subbed
Glad to see Goldie’s bringing new innovation into offset smokers. Competition is good in any industry. We will need more data from the Goldie’s pit to determine if it is a Workhorse killer. As for me, the 1975 is still king. The 3/8 inch steel, the larger firebox, available options, and price/value keeps the 1975 in the top spot. The only negative that I can come up with on my 1975 is that the door on the cooking chamber is quite heavy. JD is working on a door assist at this time. Great video! Cheers!
That's an interesting thought. Part of it comes down to the difference between traditional and reverse flow. Reverse has been known to have less draw. How much actual difference in performance is there between the two? I imagine we need someone who's used several reverse flow smokers to buy one of these Goldee’s pits and report back. Is the draw really better on it? At some point I hope we know.
I'm not sure what that would do. At the moment, my thinking is that the hot spot is contained to a particularly small area and that changes of that kind could make it worse. I'm not actually sure though.
Yes, for both test temps were at 275-290. The right Tel Tru with the stack closed 2/3 was 325-340 ( it always runs about 50 degrees hotter with 2/3 closed). My diagram wasn’t accurate for those tests so that was probably the confusion on my part.
ANYTHING that costs more than the Workhorse is a rip off. Even that sad Franklin pit. Workhorse is THE pit. I wouldn't pay a dime more for a Fat Stack, Lang, etc.
I respectfully disagree. I'm not sure saying anything other than a workhorse is a "rip off." That insinuates that other pitbuilders are trying to be unethical, and that isn't a fair assumption.
Except the Workhorse is a copy of the Franklin. Aaron Franklin is the originator of this entire genre. What a joke. JD just copied Franklin's thinking and ideas. Computational Fluid Dynamics .............bwaaaahahaha ......... yeah, right. Everyone of these welders are keeping an eye on Aaron Franklin and they will then try to put their name on what he does. How many briskets per day has JD cooked ? How many people are lined up every day to eat JD's brisket ? Get real.
This comment may be better suited for the previous review of the Goldees smoker, but…could the stack side hot spot be reduced or eliminated if a rounded (propane tank) end was used or would that alter the air flow too much? Also wondering how this concept might work for a smaller scale offset.
Purely speculative, but I can't understand how the Goldee's smoker has never been thought of before, "if" its that much superior in the way it cooks. Like, how did it take all the way until 2023 to discover this new style, when so many other brands claim to have dumped tons of money into R&D. To me it seems gimmicky, but that's just on a surface level, just because I can't believe that no one else has experimented with similar designs. Is the Goldee's smoker the future of smokers? JD professes that science is what drives their brand, so how did they not discover this new design if it's so superior? I'm just confused, as I am on the precipice of purchasing an offset backyard smoker asap, lol....
When the Goldee’s smoker first came out, JD made a post on Facebook that they actually considered the design but didn't test it. It certainly is a strange thing. I don’t think Goldee’s is the first one to come up with it, but they definitely seem to be making the most of it.
Go judge my cinder block pit. No swinging doors. No hinges. I am wanting someone to make a metal version. It would be so eay to build. No rolling metal, no hinges and a way to regulate the heat no other pit has.
I’m really looking forward to the Goldees pits getting out in the wild and popping up in youtube and other reviews. I’m also curious how much that shipping will cost, that is a big factor for many
The biggest question left out there is the fuel efficiency. How much energy is getting lost in the transfer from big area to small area to bigger area. It's been an issue with other smokers that use a tube like connector when tried. When I see it takes 3 full sized splits to bring an already heat soaked chamber up to 300° from 225°, it makes me wonder if the same problem exists here. Really hoping someone like SmokeScout will get a hold of one of these and really test it. Someone that will vary the temperatures and play with the damper. I'd like to know the temperature difference between the hot spot and the rest of the cooking area at different targeted temperatures. When cooking there's a big difference in 'this area cooks a bit hotter' and 'this area will turn your biscuits into charcoal.'
@@schlogen I guess that depends on perspective and personal preference. The offset smoker is already one of the most inefficient types of smokers out there from a fuel consumption standpoint. Some people pay extra to try to increase that efficiency. For example, some choose thicker steel on the firebox. Some choose a semi-insulated or fully insulated firebox. For some, smoking wood is fairly cheap and they don't care about efficiency. Others are the exact opposite. But if this smoker is only 5% or 10% less efficient than the others, then I don't think anyone will really care or notice. If this thing is over 25% less efficient or more then folks are going to start noticing and some will care. I don't think the ability to use full sized splits will really factor in considering that a lot of people already use them on other smokers of this size.
I've been wanting an offset, but I don't think I'll ever cook as much meat as can fit on these two. Maybe the cost of the Goldee's will come down over time
Correction: The Smoke Scouts video for 2/3 stack damper is actually at 275 degrees.
If I remember Smoke Scouts' videos correctly, this could mean good things for the Workhorse. On the other hand, we don't know anything about using the damper on the Goldee’s smoker.
This channel rules and you have a great radio voice, amigo.
I've made some friends, and bought & recommended some pits from this channel too
There’s simply no better value in the high end offset market than Workhorse. I bought one two years ago and love it. That’s not to say the other big name pits on the market aren’t great. But you simply can’t beat Workhorse’s price point. Standard 3/8” steel throughout. Huge capacity.
I did about a year of research prior to purchasing. Videos like this will definitely help people be informed consumers. Well done!!
I certainly second that
Great stuff as usual. I can’t imagine how much time it takes u to think all this through and put this together but I sure enjoy that u do.
These are the best smoker review videos on UA-cam.
I just discovered your channel last night. Thank you for putting out such great content. It’s incredibly informative.
It’s such a bummer though to see how much the workhorse 1975 is now compared to when this video was made. Base model is now a little over $800 more expensive.
At this rate it just seems like a well made offset smoker is a luxury item. 😮💨
Thanks for doing all this research for us! I’m looking to upgrade my bbq game by buying a premium offset. These are definitely the top 2 I’m looking at. Just subbed
Glad to see Goldie’s bringing new innovation into offset smokers. Competition is good in any industry. We will need more data from the Goldie’s pit to determine if it is a Workhorse killer. As for me, the 1975 is still king. The 3/8 inch steel, the larger firebox, available options, and price/value keeps the 1975 in the top spot. The only negative that I can come up with on my 1975 is that the door on the cooking chamber is quite heavy. JD is working on a door assist at this time. Great video! Cheers!
I'm looking forward to seeing that door assist too 👍
@@SmokeMasterD MadScientist now claims to have the best baffle design for offset smokers. Can’t wait to see your thoughts. Cheers!
Are you talking about the scoop by the firebox that forces the heat up to the top of the cook chamber?
Great content as usual.... a lot of work to put this together 🍻🍻🍻.thank you for sharing👍🏽👍🏽
My pleasure
Thank you for your great content too 🙂
Interested in the WH 1975, TMG Volunteer, and Shirley 24x36. Anyone have an opinion on what's best? Really love all 3 and can't decide.
I got the TMG volunteer- waiting for build - can’t wait
go with Shirley they can build whatever you want,true custom builder
I like the M&M design. Putting a Franklin-style collector on both ends would likely improve both hot spots (by the firebox and smokestack).
I think it would at least help on the stack side.
In principle, how much difference, really, is there from the Goldee's pit to, say, a Shirley Fabrication Reverse Flow Patio for
That's an interesting thought. Part of it comes down to the difference between traditional and reverse flow. Reverse has been known to have less draw. How much actual difference in performance is there between the two? I imagine we need someone who's used several reverse flow smokers to buy one of these Goldee’s pits and report back. Is the draw really better on it? At some point I hope we know.
What if you put a deflector (directing up or down) on opening of the Goldee's ?
I'm not sure what that would do. At the moment, my thinking is that the hot spot is contained to a particularly small area and that changes of that kind could make it worse. I'm not actually sure though.
We have exactly that!
Smoke scouts first test was at 275°. Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded like you said the first test was at 225°.
I may have had that wrong. If so, it is better for WHP.
Yes, for both test temps were at 275-290. The right Tel Tru with the stack closed 2/3 was 325-340 ( it always runs about 50 degrees hotter with 2/3 closed). My diagram wasn’t accurate for those tests so that was probably the confusion on my part.
ANYTHING that costs more than the Workhorse is a rip off. Even that sad Franklin pit. Workhorse is THE pit. I wouldn't pay a dime more for a Fat Stack, Lang, etc.
It's your opinion, but I think it's a fair one
I respectfully disagree. I'm not sure saying anything other than a workhorse is a "rip off." That insinuates that other pitbuilders are trying to be unethical, and that isn't a fair assumption.
Except the Workhorse is a copy of the Franklin. Aaron Franklin is the originator of this entire genre. What a joke. JD just copied Franklin's thinking and ideas. Computational Fluid Dynamics .............bwaaaahahaha ......... yeah, right. Everyone of these welders are keeping an eye on Aaron Franklin and they will then try to put their name on what he does. How many briskets per day has JD cooked ? How many people are lined up every day to eat JD's brisket ? Get real.
Great video, and thank you for sharing my channel! Much appreciated!
🙂👍
Thanks for doing those biscuit tests!
This comment may be better suited for the previous review of the Goldees smoker, but…could the stack side hot spot be reduced or eliminated if a rounded (propane tank) end was used or would that alter the air flow too much? Also wondering how this concept might work for a smaller scale offset.
A rounded end or smoke collector might indeed help.
Purely speculative, but I can't understand how the Goldee's smoker has never been thought of before, "if" its that much superior in the way it cooks. Like, how did it take all the way until 2023 to discover this new style, when so many other brands claim to have dumped tons of money into R&D. To me it seems gimmicky, but that's just on a surface level, just because I can't believe that no one else has experimented with similar designs. Is the Goldee's smoker the future of smokers? JD professes that science is what drives their brand, so how did they not discover this new design if it's so superior? I'm just confused, as I am on the precipice of purchasing an offset backyard smoker asap, lol....
When the Goldee’s smoker first came out, JD made a post on Facebook that they actually considered the design but didn't test it. It certainly is a strange thing. I don’t think Goldee’s is the first one to come up with it, but they definitely seem to be making the most of it.
Thank you for this information 😎
Excellent video
I am not looking for a Goldies Smoker. You can't put a cowboy box, unless you lengthen the firebox.
That's one drawback
Whats the diameter of the 90°s and are they both the same diameter?
24"
They're the same diameter.
@@SmokeMasterD I meant the diameter on the goldee's 90° front the firebox into the cooking chamber? Looks like 6" or 8" on the video
Lonestar Texas edition. You may want to check them out. They don’t burn biscuits
Check this video out
ua-cam.com/video/KFFEe7IKjGA/v-deo.html
Go judge my cinder block pit. No swinging doors. No hinges. I am wanting someone to make a metal version. It would be so eay to build. No rolling metal, no hinges and a way to regulate the heat no other pit has.
I’m really looking forward to the Goldees pits getting out in the wild and popping up in youtube and other reviews. I’m also curious how much that shipping will cost, that is a big factor for many
Very true
The biggest question left out there is the fuel efficiency. How much energy is getting lost in the transfer from big area to small area to bigger area. It's been an issue with other smokers that use a tube like connector when tried. When I see it takes 3 full sized splits to bring an already heat soaked chamber up to 300° from 225°, it makes me wonder if the same problem exists here.
Really hoping someone like SmokeScout will get a hold of one of these and really test it. Someone that will vary the temperatures and play with the damper. I'd like to know the temperature difference between the hot spot and the rest of the cooking area at different targeted temperatures. When cooking there's a big difference in 'this area cooks a bit hotter' and 'this area will turn your biscuits into charcoal.'
Isn't the heat loss a good thing? Should be able to use bigger splits and not have to attend to it as much
@@schlogen I guess that depends on perspective and personal preference. The offset smoker is already one of the most inefficient types of smokers out there from a fuel consumption standpoint. Some people pay extra to try to increase that efficiency. For example, some choose thicker steel on the firebox. Some choose a semi-insulated or fully insulated firebox. For some, smoking wood is fairly cheap and they don't care about efficiency. Others are the exact opposite.
But if this smoker is only 5% or 10% less efficient than the others, then I don't think anyone will really care or notice. If this thing is over 25% less efficient or more then folks are going to start noticing and some will care. I don't think the ability to use full sized splits will really factor in considering that a lot of people already use them on other smokers of this size.
great info
are they 1/4 thick?
Yes. It's now on the m&m bbq website.
I've been wanting an offset, but I don't think I'll ever cook as much meat as can fit on these two. Maybe the cost of the Goldee's will come down over time
Possibly, but I wouldn't count on it. There are many smaller options out there, including 2 smaller pits from Workhorse.
@@SmokeMasterD So, Workhouse has more than 2 models?
Good comparison video! But #gottagetamoberg
I'd like to see Moberg bring back their backyard offset. They are a really good company.
sadly they are gone and not available :(
24 x 50 x 1/4" = 93.88 gallons
Pir2xL
12 squared = 144
144x3.14 =452.16
452.16×50 = 22,608 inches cubed
Converted = 97.87 gallons
@@SmokeMasterD inside diameter of the smoker is 23.5"
V=πr2h=π·11.752·50≈21686.80679
231 cu in per gallon = 93.88 gal
You two are killing me with that math 😂👍
This needs update. 1975 is not at all 2700 more like 5k
The base price is $2784. Don't know what you are talking about.
Correct my bad k was thinking about the one I ordered is the 1975t.. apologies
@@SmokeMasterD 1975 Offset Smoker from Workhorse Pits
Starting at $3,597.00