Overwatch is an abusive relationship I've been clean since they killed PVE but you just hear the same things every time - people are mad, monetization is fucked up, they are working on it, blah blah blah. It's not gonna change
agreed. all this talk, hours and hours and HOURS of group-up podcast, and it's still "tank sucks" lmao. this game is dead. I haven't logged in since pve "cancellation" announcement either. and I hear shop prices are still as insane as ever. no surprise there..
Don’t speak on the current state of the game if you haven’t even played since then. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that’s an ignorant habit. Just keep it to yourself if you don’t wanna even wanna do some investigating.
@@d4mephistoYou too. Hear this. Hear that. What you hear doesn’t mean a rats ass. At least give it a proper look before you shit on it. Otherwise you’re just a mouthpiece for other peoples’ opinions.
One thing that I feel like is always missed when talking about que times for tanks is the lack of selection for tanks in OW 1. Now there are a few more, but previously had 8 tanks then further pidgeon holed to off and main which would leave you with 3-4 options. At the same time DPS had like 16 choices and the most fun characters to play. No wonder the que times were 2-4X for DPS. Correlates very closely to amount of options available. I think making several more fun tanks will greatly help que times (Meka squad?).
Role que while its good for the game, killed the motivation to play both tanks and supports in the old OW1 because the content stop and keep in mind, they stopped because their too focus on the esports. Had we had the content today, I garenteed you the ques would be different.
It's crazy how Flats talks about balancing characters for 6v6 but has yet to play the 6v6 code where THEY LITERALLY WORK. Flats is just choosing to be ignorant. He does these "interviews" without an actual full suit of knowledge. Asking questions that are restricting because he doesn't want to make the devs fume.
He is but at the same time, you have to know that the devs aren't gonna 1 to 1 copy that. We all know what they will do instead and that is forcing their own view of balance on that.
You need a break from OW and it's not just the game. A lot of the people who also need a break are from the same era. Makes perfect sense. Insane to stream the same game for this many years. 2-3 season break and might be fun again.
i’d argue that’s bad game design. there are a lot of games that are fun enough to want to play all day everyday. and if you ask flats overwatch was for him at one point. you can cope it how you want but
@@slijefe8804 To me it's like looping one TV series for close to a decade ten hours a day. Not normal. It's a job and whenever things get repetitive it starts to stack up and time for a change. If the game was in a better spot then it would only delay the inevitable. Both can be true at the same time.
He knows exactly how stupid 7v7 sounds and he knows exactly that it was a clear no and that the devs were just uncomfortable making him seem as stupid as he was being. Flats runs a weird line between being saying obvious things loudly and well and saying dumb stuff - stuff he knows to be dumb - just as loudly and clearly. "Imma gonna be real with you all" 💀
I absolutely love this game and have played it ever since release but for the life in me I cannot get my friends to play and stick with it. In all the years Iv only ever got 2 of my friends to actually try it out, one lasted a could of days, the other lasted one match. The only person Iv got to play it consistently is my brother.
I feel you there man I’m in the same boat been playing since beta with my brother he plays off and on I’ve kept playing it’s my comfort game I understand the abilities lol
Flats, as someone from a research background, I'd like to hear the devs talk about how they operationalize fun in their analyses that they base their changes on.
Flats and any of his very close streamer buddies all get preferential treatment from blizzard because they’re bootlickers. They are just as responsible as the developer team for killing this beloved game
I find it hilarious that the stuff that they couldn't get to work for PvE (items, pickable passives) are now suddenly their Hail Mary play for PvP. Who ya foolin', A-A-Ron?
It’s like he felt slapped in the face by the corporate shit they danced around with and he got nothing from the interview. So he just got emotional and said what he felt. Understandable. Also the interview was the biggest nothing burger.
About the burnout discussion, yeah I never felt this bad and burntout or like overwatch is a chore in the content drought for example, which tbf i played overwatch early on then moved to other games like platformers for a couple years, and then came back in the last two years or so of ow1. Even so, regardless of burnout ive never had such miserable and toxic games as i do now compared to ow1. Counterswapping was not a word i used frequently, it wasn't a thing i was that aware of because it didn't affect lower ranks as much and because as far as i can tell it didn't affect high ranks as much as it does rn in 5v5. It wasn't a chore mechanic u saw or thought actively about in every match. My passion for overwatch has been very up and down for the past couple months and it hurts to care about a game so much and sometimes think, oh i wanna hop on, hol up, no u dont, u wanna play a fun version of overwatch that no longer exists. So then I don't play i, and it sucks in that moment. If it wasn't for playing with friends (which isn't always good because we are all miserable half the time and vocal about it) and 6v6 customs giving me a glimmer of hope, i dont think i could handle this game or enjoy it at all. I barely can rn. It has it's moments, but it ain't great. Maybe I'll try play other games at least a bit more until new format changes start to get tested in a couple seasons. I've got a couple months left of my final year of high school too so of all times i could choose to focus on something that isn't a chore of a miserable game like ow, it's best to not rn. Or try to not. This game is an addictive shit show. Or just been my comfort game for like a third or more of my life. Not so comforting anymore. This game is physically giving me a head ache rn mannn.
Summary The discussion revolves around insights from a developer interview about Overwatch’s current state, highlighting player concerns and potential future changes. Highlights 🎤 Developer communication praised for transparency. ⚠ Concerns about player dissatisfaction acknowledged. 🔄 Innovation is essential to avoid complacency. ⏳ Potential 6v6 return could take several seasons. ❓ Uncertainty in Overwatch’s growth and player retention. 🔍 Need for significant content to retain players. 🎮 Burnout is prevalent among long-time players. Key Insights 💬 Transparency Matters: The developers provided valuable information, breaking away from typical PR responses. This openness helps build trust with the community. 😟 Acknowledgment of Concerns: The developers seem aware of player frustrations, indicating that they are listening and may adapt based on feedback. 🚀 Continuous Innovation Required: To keep the game fresh, developers must innovate consistently; otherwise, they risk losing players to complacency. ⏳ 6v6 Return Timeline: The potential return of 6v6 gameplay is still uncertain, with timelines suggesting it could take years, which raises concerns about content droughts. 📉 Player Retention Challenges: The game faces challenges in maintaining its player base, particularly with emerging competitors in the FPS genre. 🔄 Content is King: Regular and engaging content updates are crucial for keeping players invested in the game long-term. 🥱 Burnout Is Real: Many veteran players express burnout, particularly with the tank role, highlighting the need for substantial changes to revitalize interest.
Hey everyone, this video got a lot more attention than I was expecting so I have decided to make a second video that brings us back to the past with 2021 Flat's concerning the dev pvp livestream (The livestream that confirmed overwatch 2 would be 5v5). I chose to do this because many of the problems brought up by Flat's, Supertf and their viewers concerning tank had reared it's ugly head in todays overwatch. Here's the link to the supercut of the stream ua-cam.com/video/8RpQX5bTI-Q/v-deo.html
Flats coming to terms with the fact the only thing that matters is queue times and match quality will be sacrificed for those faster queues. The fact that the devs just keep buffing HP on tanks shows how little they understand the issues with the role on the current format and a large reason why people avoid queuing tank as much as I avoid a prostate exam. I dont blame him for getting fed up of being basically told to go **** himself since he doesn't matter. Great way to fix the queue time problem though by driving what's left of the tank players from the game, i haven't played it in 2 months now and its great to not play a game that makes you feel no enjoyment.
Thinking about 7v7 is kinda a gigachad move. Flats went full Thanos "Fine, I'll do it myself". 5:45 wo... 7v7 is actually really hard. Cant even say it :D.
they said during the interview that the "heavy lifting" of going 6v6 is the optimization rather then the balancing (because its mostly subtracting), so the talk around 7v7 is really just to humor flats, consuls could never take a 14 player lobbies.
@@JoeBurner1720 it was never about what is possible, it's about what is easy and what can insure a short term gain, that's why even talking about 7v7 is just redundant, plus they tried it in the past.
Most of the problems OW2 is having is the same live service problems they all have. Monetization is geared too much towards money rather than engagement(aka free or low cost achievable rewards). The content updates need to be more frequent but devs need time unless you want talent drain and at the same time updates cant be too frequent for competitive play. Then you also need it to have unlimited replay ability because its free to play and people will put unbelievable numbers into then vocally state how the game is boring now. Genuinely the only major OW2 problems are tanks not being fun, hard counters and the amount of heroes in each role/ratio of release for each role. All of which can fixed or is currently being fixed. Right now the most worrying thing is how to fix tank, new heroes breaking the game and how long it will take to fix these issues
Blizzard was digging their own grave with bad ideas for overwatch. They brought a hero that locks abilities, brought a hero that mitigate enemy burst damage with one button, brought a tank with insane kit, what led to double shield, gave up on fixing this shit, brought even more unskill supports, brought Mauga who forces much than anyone else to counterswap and here we are now. If they want to make feel better, they need to delete those heroes or rework them. If the gameplay is good, the overwatch is good. Thats it
I think the problem with Overwatch is that even at its "worst", most other games don't even come close to the feeling of playing Overwatch. More, better, riskier (but not stupidly risky) competition would take some of the strain off of us expecting OW2 to be nearly perfect, AND the competition would make both/all games better. I'm meh so far on Marvel Rivals, though. A third-person hero shooter just doesn't pull me like an FPS does. Thus why I spend so much more time in Overwatch than in Fortnite. Which, arguably does a lot of things better, or at least is willing to take more risks. But it's not an fps. 🤷
The data they provided is too vague and without additional context for the most part, so accurately judging those stats would be difficult. A lot of assumptions being made about them. Really they should have provided a lot more information regarding them.
The only thing going for overwatch is that there is no other hero shooter that runs as smooth as Overwatch, if there one thing that blizzard is good(or was) at is optimizing the game. Now the game never had anything special just play play play but it was special, now is not.
6v6 is such a crazy argument. For anyone who played Marvel Rivals, it's 6v6 and watching the good teams play, is beyond chaotic. 12 ults going off within 1-10 seconds of each other? Do you remember that from OW1?? It's called nostalgia, look it up :/
All am saying is that this game is dead the moment marvel rivals comes out, fuck what t. I am 100% percent they are gone start doing this months before Marvel Rivals release date, just let this GAME DIE!
Overwatch is just like everything else: don't hate the player, hate the game. But in this analogy, player is Blizzard as a company, and the game being late-stage capitalism. They do what literally every company does in order to get by/survive and grow. Have a problem with it? Then take issue with the economy system that serves as the roots for every single problem you have with this silly lil video game lol. Change your scope and stop fixating on the small stuff
Rivals isnt going to be long standing game though for the first two months or maybe even the first month of rivals coming out overwatch numbers will go down. But the game wont live that long and people will lose interest and come back to overwatch. It happens all the time when smash bros clones come out. But ultimately the clones dont do it as well as the original so people come back. But you will see inevitable dips when they release as overwatch is old, and people want to try something new. But its only temporary
Has flats even tried the 6v6 code? Lmao
Overwatch is an abusive relationship
I've been clean since they killed PVE but you just hear the same things every time - people are mad, monetization is fucked up, they are working on it, blah blah blah. It's not gonna change
agreed. all this talk, hours and hours and HOURS of group-up podcast, and it's still "tank sucks" lmao. this game is dead. I haven't logged in since pve "cancellation" announcement either. and I hear shop prices are still as insane as ever. no surprise there..
@@d4mephistookay
Don’t speak on the current state of the game if you haven’t even played since then. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that’s an ignorant habit. Just keep it to yourself if you don’t wanna even wanna do some investigating.
@@d4mephistoYou too. Hear this. Hear that. What you hear doesn’t mean a rats ass. At least give it a proper look before you shit on it. Otherwise you’re just a mouthpiece for other peoples’ opinions.
@EmpireOW The Investigations have been done by the poor people still stuck in this game. They've spoken for themselves already, not having fun.
100 million players vs daily active user's big difference.
Either way, Aaron said that we're getting millions of players logging on everyday. Those are good numbers.
Its unironically the tf2 issue, valve showed everyone you dont have to care
@huntish3760 u are delusional if u think the player numbers are good for OW2
@@cadbane6523in what world is millions of players not a good number lmao? Don't be delusional dude
@CM-tv2bu overwatch died so hard they had to make it free genius. U are addicted to a dead game accept it
I can’t wait for Marvel Rivals
Man remember when they promised pve
They mentioned it during the interview but sugar coated it. "PvE didn't turn out as planned" or something. Like the understatement of the decade
Jesus h christ get over it. It's a free to play game that had some bad decisions and development issues. Stop playing or stop bitching
Yeah I do remember when Jeff promised PvE and then dipped
Remember when the Microsoft merger was supposed to save OW but instead they fired all the PVE devs and a bunch of artists
@@Doople and that saved OW, becaue PvE was an obvious blunder from the start, so thank god they tanked it
One thing that I feel like is always missed when talking about que times for tanks is the lack of selection for tanks in OW 1. Now there are a few more, but previously had 8 tanks then further pidgeon holed to off and main which would leave you with 3-4 options. At the same time DPS had like 16 choices and the most fun characters to play. No wonder the que times were 2-4X for DPS. Correlates very closely to amount of options available. I think making several more fun tanks will greatly help que times (Meka squad?).
Role que while its good for the game, killed the motivation to play both tanks and supports in the old OW1 because the content stop and keep in mind, they stopped because their too focus on the esports. Had we had the content today, I garenteed you the ques would be different.
It's crazy how Flats talks about balancing characters for 6v6 but has yet to play the 6v6 code where THEY LITERALLY WORK.
Flats is just choosing to be ignorant. He does these "interviews" without an actual full suit of knowledge. Asking questions that are restricting because he doesn't want to make the devs fume.
He is but at the same time, you have to know that the devs aren't gonna 1 to 1 copy that. We all know what they will do instead and that is forcing their own view of balance on that.
@@pippo17173That’s not the point, point is that fans were able to balance it, so devs obviously can
@donovan4222 yes but devs are gonna probably ignore it like they have for most or this game life.
@@pippo17173 The fact that fans were able to do a decent job in the workshop means the devs have no excuses is the point
Yeah man the same devs that ruined the game can definitely fix it :)
You need a break from OW and it's not just the game. A lot of the people who also need a break are from the same era. Makes perfect sense. Insane to stream the same game for this many years. 2-3 season break and might be fun again.
i’d argue that’s bad game design. there are a lot of games that are fun enough to want to play all day everyday. and if you ask flats overwatch was for him at one point. you can cope it how you want but
@@slijefe8804 To me it's like looping one TV series for close to a decade ten hours a day. Not normal. It's a job and whenever things get repetitive it starts to stack up and time for a change. If the game was in a better spot then it would only delay the inevitable. Both can be true at the same time.
Man this gave me a new low for Flats. Dude is willingly being ignorant. There’s a 6v6 code right there for you to see that it works
Exactly 🤦♂️
Wish we had a highly repayable PvE experience with ability customization.
7v7 is stupid it's more balancing more strain on hardware and it would take longer because you'd now need 14 people to find a came instead of 10 or 12
Probably wouldn't take that much longer if dps is 3x the other roles or close to it. But yeah not great still
Just stop talking about format
Speeds up q times because 5v5 has 4 DPS roles where 7v7 has 6 per game so it fills the DPS heavy que times faster
It was Just a fun question
The math behind it isi wrong anyways. If you wanted to optimize format for queue times, you'd have 12v12. 2 tanks, 7 dps, 3 supports.
He knows exactly how stupid 7v7 sounds and he knows exactly that it was a clear no and that the devs were just uncomfortable making him seem as stupid as he was being. Flats runs a weird line between being saying obvious things loudly and well and saying dumb stuff - stuff he knows to be dumb - just as loudly and clearly. "Imma gonna be real with you all" 💀
I absolutely love this game and have played it ever since release but for the life in me I cannot get my friends to play and stick with it.
In all the years Iv only ever got 2 of my friends to actually try it out, one lasted a could of days, the other lasted one match. The only person Iv got to play it consistently is my brother.
I feel you there man I’m in the same boat been playing since beta with my brother he plays off and on I’ve kept playing it’s my comfort game I understand the abilities lol
Same
Flats, as someone from a research background, I'd like to hear the devs talk about how they operationalize fun in their analyses that they base their changes on.
Flats and any of his very close streamer buddies all get preferential treatment from blizzard because they’re bootlickers. They are just as responsible as the developer team for killing this beloved game
THIS!
7v7 is ridiculous
I find it hilarious that the stuff that they couldn't get to work for PvE (items, pickable passives) are now suddenly their Hail Mary play for PvP. Who ya foolin', A-A-Ron?
Take a break. You're burnt-out.
I feel the same way. Tank just sucks. Though that is kind of a dead horse, it still needs to get beat.
Those 6v6 tests can’t come fast enough
Flats has to be actually stupid to think they're gonna keep their word and improve the game, this game legit needs an entirely new team working on it
what what he eluding too at 13:57. people are not liking the direction they are headed?
It’s like he felt slapped in the face by the corporate shit they danced around with and he got nothing from the interview. So he just got emotional and said what he felt. Understandable. Also the interview was the biggest nothing burger.
Where the fuck did the 7v7 topic even come from? Bro come on let’s focus on 6v6! Smh!!
About the burnout discussion, yeah I never felt this bad and burntout or like overwatch is a chore in the content drought for example, which tbf i played overwatch early on then moved to other games like platformers for a couple years, and then came back in the last two years or so of ow1. Even so, regardless of burnout ive never had such miserable and toxic games as i do now compared to ow1. Counterswapping was not a word i used frequently, it wasn't a thing i was that aware of because it didn't affect lower ranks as much and because as far as i can tell it didn't affect high ranks as much as it does rn in 5v5. It wasn't a chore mechanic u saw or thought actively about in every match.
My passion for overwatch has been very up and down for the past couple months and it hurts to care about a game so much and sometimes think, oh i wanna hop on, hol up, no u dont, u wanna play a fun version of overwatch that no longer exists. So then I don't play i, and it sucks in that moment. If it wasn't for playing with friends (which isn't always good because we are all miserable half the time and vocal about it) and 6v6 customs giving me a glimmer of hope, i dont think i could handle this game or enjoy it at all. I barely can rn. It has it's moments, but it ain't great. Maybe I'll try play other games at least a bit more until new format changes start to get tested in a couple seasons. I've got a couple months left of my final year of high school too so of all times i could choose to focus on something that isn't a chore of a miserable game like ow, it's best to not rn. Or try to not. This game is an addictive shit show. Or just been my comfort game for like a third or more of my life. Not so comforting anymore. This game is physically giving me a head ache rn mannn.
I’m not reading all that
@@Ainpy thank you, i dont want u to
@@jimmyjab8744 thank you my friend
@@Ainpy alg my guy
I adore how absolutely brain dead and stale flats can be sometimes despite playing the game since the betas
Summary
The discussion revolves around insights from a developer interview about Overwatch’s current state, highlighting player concerns and potential future changes.
Highlights
🎤 Developer communication praised for transparency.
⚠ Concerns about player dissatisfaction acknowledged.
🔄 Innovation is essential to avoid complacency.
⏳ Potential 6v6 return could take several seasons.
❓ Uncertainty in Overwatch’s growth and player retention.
🔍 Need for significant content to retain players.
🎮 Burnout is prevalent among long-time players.
Key Insights
💬 Transparency Matters: The developers provided valuable information, breaking away from typical PR responses. This openness helps build trust with the community.
😟 Acknowledgment of Concerns: The developers seem aware of player frustrations, indicating that they are listening and may adapt based on feedback.
🚀 Continuous Innovation Required: To keep the game fresh, developers must innovate consistently; otherwise, they risk losing players to complacency.
⏳ 6v6 Return Timeline: The potential return of 6v6 gameplay is still uncertain, with timelines suggesting it could take years, which raises concerns about content droughts.
📉 Player Retention Challenges: The game faces challenges in maintaining its player base, particularly with emerging competitors in the FPS genre.
🔄 Content is King: Regular and engaging content updates are crucial for keeping players invested in the game long-term.
🥱 Burnout Is Real: Many veteran players express burnout, particularly with the tank role, highlighting the need for substantial changes to revitalize interest.
Hey everyone, this video got a lot more attention than I was expecting so I have decided to make a second video that brings us back to the past with 2021 Flat's concerning the dev pvp livestream (The livestream that confirmed overwatch 2 would be 5v5). I chose to do this because many of the problems brought up by Flat's, Supertf and their viewers concerning tank had reared it's ugly head in todays overwatch. Here's the link to the supercut of the stream ua-cam.com/video/8RpQX5bTI-Q/v-deo.html
She’s a detective
A couple of streamers can make and balance 6v6 is custom games in a few days
Deva can't do it for months.
Game will stay a dead piece of trash until 6v6 comes back
Flats coming to terms with the fact the only thing that matters is queue times and match quality will be sacrificed for those faster queues.
The fact that the devs just keep buffing HP on tanks shows how little they understand the issues with the role on the current format and a large reason why people avoid queuing tank as much as I avoid a prostate exam.
I dont blame him for getting fed up of being basically told to go **** himself since he doesn't matter. Great way to fix the queue time problem though by driving what's left of the tank players from the game, i haven't played it in 2 months now and its great to not play a game that makes you feel no enjoyment.
Thinking about 7v7 is kinda a gigachad move. Flats went full Thanos "Fine, I'll do it myself".
5:45 wo... 7v7 is actually really hard. Cant even say it :D.
they said during the interview that the "heavy lifting" of going 6v6 is the optimization rather then the balancing (because its mostly subtracting), so the talk around 7v7 is really just to humor flats, consuls could never take a 14 player lobbies.
@@Ovadiazigi Well, I fell off from following overwatch a while back, so I am not up to date.
@@OvadiazigiIt is very possible. It’s just how much work and money do they want to spend
@@JoeBurner1720 it was never about what is possible, it's about what is easy and what can insure a short term gain, that's why even talking about 7v7 is just redundant, plus they tried it in the past.
@@Ovadiazigi Yes I agree
Most of the problems OW2 is having is the same live service problems they all have. Monetization is geared too much towards money rather than engagement(aka free or low cost achievable rewards). The content updates need to be more frequent but devs need time unless you want talent drain and at the same time updates cant be too frequent for competitive play. Then you also need it to have unlimited replay ability because its free to play and people will put unbelievable numbers into then vocally state how the game is boring now.
Genuinely the only major OW2 problems are tanks not being fun, hard counters and the amount of heroes in each role/ratio of release for each role. All of which can fixed or is currently being fixed. Right now the most worrying thing is how to fix tank, new heroes breaking the game and how long it will take to fix these issues
I’m not reading all that
Blizzard was digging their own grave with bad ideas for overwatch. They brought a hero that locks abilities, brought a hero that mitigate enemy burst damage with one button, brought a tank with insane kit, what led to double shield, gave up on fixing this shit, brought even more unskill supports, brought Mauga who forces much than anyone else to counterswap and here we are now.
If they want to make feel better, they need to delete those heroes or rework them. If the gameplay is good, the overwatch is good. Thats it
I think the problem with Overwatch is that even at its "worst", most other games don't even come close to the feeling of playing Overwatch.
More, better, riskier (but not stupidly risky) competition would take some of the strain off of us expecting OW2 to be nearly perfect, AND the competition would make both/all games better.
I'm meh so far on Marvel Rivals, though. A third-person hero shooter just doesn't pull me like an FPS does. Thus why I spend so much more time in Overwatch than in Fortnite. Which, arguably does a lot of things better, or at least is willing to take more risks. But it's not an fps. 🤷
It’s crazy how much apex I’ve been playing because ow2 is so bad right now…. No offense to Aaron, but he is NOT Jeff…..
just you wait till marvel rivals full release
@@mahks-pectith3179 oh I’m waiting,…
@@emanueloropesa634Jeff was overwatch 1 icl the game just feels soulless now
@@PainxSorrow yeah to me, the game died when Jeff left. Now ow2 is an empty shell of a once great game
Flats, you speak for us…we are all feeling it (burn out).
im sick of hearing you guys complain about how you dont want to play the game... ok, stop playing the game, then go okay marvel.
Marvels not out
@@truthfuldrake278 oop 🤦🏾♂️ lol, i have no rebuttal
@@Dizzy205 its ok 😭
The data they provided is too vague and without additional context for the most part, so accurately judging those stats would be difficult. A lot of assumptions being made about them. Really they should have provided a lot more information regarding them.
The only thing going for overwatch is that there is no other hero shooter that runs as smooth as Overwatch, if there one thing that blizzard is good(or was) at is optimizing the game. Now the game never had anything special just play play play but it was special, now is not.
Bro is just paid off. No integrity
Smite 2 and Marvel Rivals is the bar for what ow used to be
@@Fascism_Is_One_Helluva_Drug 🤣🤣🤣
Overwatch is fine and tank is still great fun. Damn neckband crybabies
6v6 is such a crazy argument. For anyone who played Marvel Rivals, it's 6v6 and watching the good teams play, is beyond chaotic. 12 ults going off within 1-10 seconds of each other? Do you remember that from OW1?? It's called nostalgia, look it up :/
@@cousinit1686 bot comment?
All am saying is that this game is dead the moment marvel rivals comes out, fuck what t. I am 100% percent they are gone start doing this months before Marvel Rivals release date, just let this GAME DIE!
I don't care what anyone says, Flats is jacked and would beat up everyone at LAN
he's not jacked, he's morbidly obese.
Overwatch is just like everything else: don't hate the player, hate the game. But in this analogy, player is Blizzard as a company, and the game being late-stage capitalism. They do what literally every company does in order to get by/survive and grow. Have a problem with it? Then take issue with the economy system that serves as the roots for every single problem you have with this silly lil video game lol. Change your scope and stop fixating on the small stuff
Play new, often free games people. If they bring back 6 v 6 I’ll re download
Get felted overwatch nerds
If 6v6 is not coming back it a dead game 😂😂😂😂😂
Rivals isnt going to be long standing game though for the first two months or maybe even the first month of rivals coming out overwatch numbers will go down. But the game wont live that long and people will lose interest and come back to overwatch.
It happens all the time when smash bros clones come out. But ultimately the clones dont do it as well as the original so people come back.
But you will see inevitable dips when they release as overwatch is old, and people want to try something new. But its only temporary
😂
Difference is the competition does it better than Overwatch. Overwatch isn’t Smash Bros level of execution anymore
Overwatch is worse than paladins rn lil bro look at the yt numbers this game is cooked asf