It's a men's kaftan by Turn Black. (Look for the Taiyo Kaftan on their site.) Super-comfortable, and I pair it either with jeans or, as in this case, with a patiala.
Amit thanks for structuring such a long journey in an hour. I read Manu’s book and yet I loved the summary. I liked how you also captured the marketing aspects of different leaders like Roy, Saraswati, Savarkar,Tilak etc. How you brought in types of raiders is also very interesting. Thanks for the wonderful reading list. And of course Turn Black is new knowledge and I hope Ajay is taking care of his cold. Thank you for the episode.
Migrating from Africa to India couldn't be along the sea Coast. What would they drink ? My theory is that They must have gone along the. River Nile. Second phase of migration could be along Euphrates river. Next stage they should have is go down the Irani rivers and finally make it to Afghanistan. Cross the Khyber pass and the join Harappans. Unless they had boats to sail over the ocean.
Please do a video on the situation in Argentina. Milei seems to be practically bringing about the ideas of this podcast. Reducing control of the state, encouraging free trade, cutting welfare spending etc. Yet, there is a lot of hatred from within the country and from outside media. Inflation is getting under control, at least by the government numbers.
Even I was approached to write on interpretation of religious texts, I denied if its funded by reliable source, outside source or if the purpose is not foretold
I heard this today and having already heard the podcast with Manu, still found some new gems. But a few things I didn't understand well. These are observations/ questions of an uninformed man. 1. If the precursor of Tamil / other dravidian languages were spoken in IVC, there must be some precursor of Sanskrit being spoken by Indo-Aryan groups. How could we say that Tamil is older? I know the politics accompanying this debate, and I hate it. None of these are my language, so I guess I''m a little impassioned. 2. The quote from Reich that the archaeological evidences don't really back the attacks on Rome can't be extended to other cases. Yes, the possibility remains but so are the other possibilities. We didn't find much evidence of violence in IVC either. Perhaps we should not count on this being a rather non-violent civilisation. I know it is also backed up by the city designs but that is again based on the assumption about the nature of war technology. The pointers for Aryan invasions have been debunked long ago, so we simply don't know. Plugging in Reich's statement doesn't add much here. 3. On violence and cruelty during medieval times, I think we should avoid making the mistakes that the people in charge of framing history curriculum made. We shouldn't downplay it and neither we should politicise it. In the construct of "stationary bandit", the second word is equally important. Entire north India is devoid of old temples - that can't be a coincidence. 4. In the 300 Ramayana - do we count Kalidasa's raghuvnsha too? I see all these Ramayana's as interpretation instead of open source epics. Kalidasa's book doesn't have same religious standing. Others wanted to spread the story to the masses, wrote in a different language and added their own interpretations, because everyone of them acknowledged Valmiki. So, we have one book or two epics - but it's not normative even though sacred. On a lighter note, the Telugu version got the math wrong on average sleeping hours. :) I loved the conversation and I guess I have assimilated many mental models that are used in making sense of the world. I have also been very interested in the history of hinduism and its bewildering diversity. Thanks for helping me.
I don’t think that a religious gene exists. If it did, does a scientific gene exist? Our current civilisation believes in the power of science and it will happen that science-oriented societies will ultimately prosper because of nutrition, healthcare, and technology. But does that mean there is a scientific gene that is making it happen? Clearly not. We learn science, we are not born with a scientific mindset. I would argue that we learn how to be religious in the context of a society. In the absence of a society, religion will not develop.
You can see mother evolution polishing rationality. Many scientists have asked : is religiosity a bug of our dna or just culture. Generally it is felt, the former.
Hello Amit, A long time 'gentle listener' of your both the podcasts and love your work. Please bring Acharya Prashant to your podcast "Seen and the Unseen", I wish to see a 4-5 hour deep dive with him into Indian Philosophy. And there is no better person to do it other than you. Thanks for such wonderful podcasts :)
Your greatest defect is not to see the Samana Tantra tradition which is the original spirituality of pan India but always putting vedism against the hunter gatherer ethos ....this seem to be where all of you go wrong....
Great episode as always 👏 Had one question about Savarkar's framework - Homeland + Holyland. I understand how it suits BJP's goals in today's political climate. But, what purpose did it have for Savarkar? Did he think that a unified 'Hindutva' was sufficient towards the freedom struggle? What was the reason for 'othering' Muslims at that point?
The reason, though one can only guess at this, was the torture he received at the hand of his Muslim jailors in the 1910s. Before 1910, his utterences spoke of Muslims and HIndus fighting the British together. By the time he came out from jail, he had been radicalized. He presumably needed a coherent framework that would allow him to other Muslims. This homeland-holyland framework was what he came up with. Note that this is explanation, not exculpation. I think that framework is nonsense. Any kind of othering, and any reason for othering, is contemptible.
@amitvarma Thanks for the reply. I understand this point (his imprisonment and the probable effect that it had on him) from your many episodes on TSATU. But for coming up with the framework, is it just hate? Or, was there any other objective in this?
@@amitvarma the tragedy of Savarkar is that even after suffering serious torture over a decade, the fact is that he seen as "having been radicalised". The problem with this statement is that it is as if he was indoctrinated. Maybe Savarkar had to come up with the definition of Hindu homeland because the Muslims thought as themselves different from the country and culture. That is why his definition of Hindutva is lasting and I would also go the extent of saying, rightly so.
Can I politely disagree? His torture at the hands of Muslim guards may well have been a factor, but this ‘cycle of abuse’ type argument is very reductionist, and convenient to paint him as some kind of deviant. What was going on at that time in India? Gandhi was busy trying to make non-cooperation successful. There was massive support among Muslims for “Khilafat”, or the restoration of the caliphate in Turkey. Gandhi literally had to barter support for his movement by lending his support for Khilafat - note, he could not get a whole population to support their own country’s freedom movement unconditionally, unless it came with another religious prize thousands of miles away. If the caliphate had been in india, or if india was the “holy land”, support would’ve been unconditional. Savarkar pushed back against the validation of this type of thinking. Why is that unreasonable? Imagine india is fighting a war today, and the whole of South India refused to support the war effort unless dosa is declared the national dish of Brazil- does that make any sense? (Dosa, of course, is religion) Secondly, he takes great pains to explain that all he’s doing is defining who a Hindu is (feel free to disagree with him.) he goes on to say that non-Hindus are very much our brothers and this is their country, as long as they are equal citizens and do not make unreasonable demands. Fast forwards 20 years, and Muslim league is demanding disproportionate voting rights for Muslims. If this is not prophetic, what is? Does he become a bad guy just because he pointed out an inconvenient truth? ‘Othering’ is othering. Pushing back against othering is not othering. Anywho, I feel his definition etc. are outdated today, and my guess is if he were alive, he would’ve gladly updated his views.
Brilliant episode - thought provoking! My key takeaway- everything is not what it seems; there are layers upon layers of history beneath.
What do you call what is Amit wearing?
Is it a gown,
Is it a kurti,
Is it an over-oversized tee,
Is it a nightey?
Whatever it is, he's rocking it!
A nightie. And he is.
It's a men's kaftan by Turn Black. (Look for the Taiyo Kaftan on their site.) Super-comfortable, and I pair it either with jeans or, as in this case, with a patiala.
Its everything...
LOL. I listened to the audio podcast. But somehow also opened this video. Good thing I opened it. Would have missed Amit's kaftan and your comment.
Amit thanks for structuring such a long journey in an hour. I read Manu’s book and yet I loved the summary. I liked how you also captured the marketing aspects of different leaders like Roy, Saraswati, Savarkar,Tilak etc. How you brought in types of raiders is also very interesting.
Thanks for the wonderful reading list.
And of course Turn Black is new knowledge and I hope Ajay is taking care of his cold.
Thank you for the episode.
In essence, Hinduism means 'everything is everything'
Excellent stuff. Brilliant narration. Great thing is that you mention the reference books also. Which make your talk scientific❤❤❤
Bro just talked to two amazing individuals and dropped a banger
Devdatt episodes were amazing
Migrating from Africa to India couldn't be along the sea Coast. What would they drink ?
My theory is that They must have gone along the. River Nile. Second phase of migration could be along Euphrates river. Next stage they should have is go down the Irani rivers and finally make it to Afghanistan. Cross the Khyber pass and the join Harappans.
Unless they had boats to sail over the ocean.
This episode was really Nice ❤ Full of insights from your Seen and unseen guests. I wish it was longer as your podcasts 😄
I am 63 and I have just discovered the beauty of podcasts and Amit Verma's work .Highly educative. Great job.
Please do a video on the situation in Argentina. Milei seems to be practically bringing about the ideas of this podcast. Reducing control of the state, encouraging free trade, cutting welfare spending etc. Yet, there is a lot of hatred from within the country and from outside media. Inflation is getting under control, at least by the government numbers.
Yes, we're planning to record an episode on Milei in Jan...
Even I was approached to write on interpretation of religious texts, I denied if its funded by reliable source, outside source or if the purpose is not foretold
I heard this today and having already heard the podcast with Manu, still found some new gems. But a few things I didn't understand well. These are observations/ questions of an uninformed man.
1. If the precursor of Tamil / other dravidian languages were spoken in IVC, there must be some precursor of Sanskrit being spoken by Indo-Aryan groups. How could we say that Tamil is older? I know the politics accompanying this debate, and I hate it. None of these are my language, so I guess I''m a little impassioned.
2. The quote from Reich that the archaeological evidences don't really back the attacks on Rome can't be extended to other cases. Yes, the possibility remains but so are the other possibilities. We didn't find much evidence of violence in IVC either. Perhaps we should not count on this being a rather non-violent civilisation. I know it is also backed up by the city designs but that is again based on the assumption about the nature of war technology. The pointers for Aryan invasions have been debunked long ago, so we simply don't know. Plugging in Reich's statement doesn't add much here.
3. On violence and cruelty during medieval times, I think we should avoid making the mistakes that the people in charge of framing history curriculum made. We shouldn't downplay it and neither we should politicise it. In the construct of "stationary bandit", the second word is equally important. Entire north India is devoid of old temples - that can't be a coincidence.
4. In the 300 Ramayana - do we count Kalidasa's raghuvnsha too? I see all these Ramayana's as interpretation instead of open source epics. Kalidasa's book doesn't have same religious standing. Others wanted to spread the story to the masses, wrote in a different language and added their own interpretations, because everyone of them acknowledged Valmiki. So, we have one book or two epics - but it's not normative even though sacred. On a lighter note, the Telugu version got the math wrong on average sleeping hours. :)
I loved the conversation and I guess I have assimilated many mental models that are used in making sense of the world. I have also been very interested in the history of hinduism and its bewildering diversity. Thanks for helping me.
This is a masterpiece. ❤
Has Ajay got a cold ? his audio seems different
Yup. The virus is having a great big party in Maharashtra. It's defeated everyone at my office in Pune. Get well soon Ajay
Please also add Castes of the Mind by Nicholas B Dirks to your reading list. It is awesome!
EPISODE MASTER.
When would be Spotify upload ?
The guy is quoting Devdutt oatnaik 🤦🏽♂️
How about a new title (and perhaps some new input as well)?
The Pre-history and History of Hinduism.
a masterclass
@19:00 Justification rather than coding,
You should invite Manasataramgini and or Aryamsha on your podcast.
Ajay, hope the cold is better.
Invite SN balgangadhara!
I don’t think that a religious gene exists. If it did, does a scientific gene exist? Our current civilisation believes in the power of science and it will happen that science-oriented societies will ultimately prosper because of nutrition, healthcare, and technology. But does that mean there is a scientific gene that is making it happen? Clearly not. We learn science, we are not born with a scientific mindset. I would argue that we learn how to be religious in the context of a society. In the absence of a society, religion will not develop.
You can see mother evolution polishing rationality. Many scientists have asked : is religiosity a bug of our dna or just culture. Generally it is felt, the former.
❤
Why the need to incorporate?
Ambedkar next please
👏
Please bring Vikram sampath and Sai Deepak on your show. I am a loyal patron of the seen and unseen podcast. Love your work. 👌
All three idiots including you
😂😂 your scholars
I would second this request.
Read proper history bro. Don't read fiction writers as Historians.
Mainly on caste
Hello Amit,
A long time 'gentle listener' of your both the podcasts and love your work.
Please bring Acharya Prashant to your podcast "Seen and the Unseen", I wish to see a 4-5 hour deep dive with him into Indian Philosophy. And there is no better person to do it other than you.
Thanks for such wonderful podcasts :)
❤❤❤❤😂❤😂😂😂😂
Hey. Samay Raina just announced that he will have a podcast with Acharya Prashant.
Hinduism as a word is itself foreign and does not connect with our ancient past and scriptures.
Hinduism and sanatan are often mixed.
1st
Your greatest defect is not to see the Samana Tantra tradition which is the original spirituality of pan India but always putting vedism against the hunter gatherer ethos ....this seem to be where all of you go wrong....
Great episode as always 👏
Had one question about Savarkar's framework - Homeland + Holyland. I understand how it suits BJP's goals in today's political climate.
But, what purpose did it have for Savarkar? Did he think that a unified 'Hindutva' was sufficient towards the freedom struggle? What was the reason for 'othering' Muslims at that point?
The reason, though one can only guess at this, was the torture he received at the hand of his Muslim jailors in the 1910s. Before 1910, his utterences spoke of Muslims and HIndus fighting the British together. By the time he came out from jail, he had been radicalized. He presumably needed a coherent framework that would allow him to other Muslims. This homeland-holyland framework was what he came up with.
Note that this is explanation, not exculpation. I think that framework is nonsense. Any kind of othering, and any reason for othering, is contemptible.
@amitvarma Thanks for the reply. I understand this point (his imprisonment and the probable effect that it had on him) from your many episodes on TSATU.
But for coming up with the framework, is it just hate?
Or, was there any other objective in this?
@@amitvarma the tragedy of Savarkar is that even after suffering serious torture over a decade, the fact is that he seen as "having been radicalised". The problem with this statement is that it is as if he was indoctrinated.
Maybe Savarkar had to come up with the definition of Hindu homeland because the Muslims thought as themselves different from the country and culture. That is why his definition of Hindutva is lasting and I would also go the extent of saying, rightly so.
Can I politely disagree? His torture at the hands of Muslim guards may well have been a factor, but this ‘cycle of abuse’ type argument is very reductionist, and convenient to paint him as some kind of deviant.
What was going on at that time in India? Gandhi was busy trying to make non-cooperation successful. There was massive support among Muslims for “Khilafat”, or the restoration of the caliphate in Turkey. Gandhi literally had to barter support for his movement by lending his support for Khilafat - note, he could not get a whole population to support their own country’s freedom movement unconditionally, unless it came with another religious prize thousands of miles away. If the caliphate had been in india, or if india was the “holy land”, support would’ve been unconditional. Savarkar pushed back against the validation of this type of thinking. Why is that unreasonable? Imagine india is fighting a war today, and the whole of South India refused to support the war effort unless dosa is declared the national dish of Brazil- does that make any sense? (Dosa, of course, is religion)
Secondly, he takes great pains to explain that all he’s doing is defining who a Hindu is (feel free to disagree with him.) he goes on to say that non-Hindus are very much our brothers and this is their country, as long as they are equal citizens and do not make unreasonable demands. Fast forwards 20 years, and Muslim league is demanding disproportionate voting rights for Muslims. If this is not prophetic, what is? Does he become a bad guy just because he pointed out an inconvenient truth?
‘Othering’ is othering. Pushing back against othering is not othering.
Anywho, I feel his definition etc. are outdated today, and my guess is if he were alive, he would’ve gladly updated his views.
Address Acharya Prashant
Already so many podcasts are there with him. And repeated interviews/podcasts he has been diluted.
@@RaviRaj-nt7lj But still these people can bring out new perspective from him
Yes, especially his takes on feminism, patriarchy, capitalism and population decline is a little difficult to digest
Samay Raina announced that he will have a podcast with Acharya Prashant.