nah, screw jackshaft bullshit. everyone already has one on their bike. it's called the crank axle and bottom bracket. what someone really needs to do is show chainring sprocket and freewheel hub installation for left side of crank. the right is already used by it's own gears, why leave left side naked?. keep them separate, no point in combining them on one side (where the two separate chains and sprockets are all close together. when you can split them for 2 sides with much less parts, weight, price, effort, and increased sturdiness.
I know this reply is late, but I have one and this video is pretty good. The install kit has good instructions. Just buy the HD one. It has a strong bearing and sprag clutch. Also, it does lose some power to the wheel because of the extra rotational drag. The cool thing is that you can crawl through trails in low rpm and low speed without pedaling if you aren't too heavy.
@@travonepleasant If you’ve ever driven a manual car, you should know that lower gears provide more torque, and higher gears provide more top speed. If you have only one gear (if the chain went straight from the engine to the wheel, how most motorized bikes are set up) then the gear ratio has to be low enough that the engine won’t die when you start moving, so the bike will have a limited top speed. However, if you can change gears like the bike in this video, you can start in a low gear that allows you to start moving easily, and when you reach the top speed of that gear you can shift to a higher gear, allowing you to have a higher top speed. I’ve built a bike similar to the one in this video, and in the lowest gear it was easily able to climb 25 degree hills, and in the highest gear it was able to go 35mph.
This would make climbing a steep hill, pretty easy right? I found someone who linked to an eBay site to get the whole kit for about $100😮 With how many years I have on the back, which I believe I have about eight I would definitely lose speed, but I would probably be able to make it up any hill. I wanted to right?
@@gunbuster333SMSTI That's the great part about being able to choose different gears, you could choose the lowest gear to climb a hill or choose the highest gear to go top speed.
For those confused. This kit will introduce gears which should in turn increase your top speed. This will work only if your engine has the power to push you. In my case with a 44 tooth sprocket my engine reaches its max rpms and can't spin any faster, but my engine has enough power to go faster with a lower tooth like 36 sprocket as the rpms won't max out early. If your motor reaches a speed where it's power is at it's max and due to air resistance, weight, etc(not rpm redline), then you will not go any faster with gears. So you can opt for a lower tooth sprocket to hit a higher top speed but your low end power will be weaker due to lack of torque at low rpms or a high tooth sprocket to have great torque but your engine's rpm red-line will hit earlier resulting in lower top speed. So with gears you will technically be able to simulate and utilize a variety of sprocket types. You can start with torque-ey high tooth sprockets and shift your way up to lower tooth sprockets for longer gears for cruising and top speeds. Hope this clarifies as gears won't always increase speed if you are already limited by external forces and horsepower rather than your rpms being limited from redline. Let me know if I got something wrong thanks!
I have built two schwin orange county chopper bikes in the past, but both bikes were single speed.. found out afterwards that these bikes come, single, 3 speed, and 5 speed..thinking of doing a multiple gear chopper...but the flaw I see is..do you think the bicycle chain is strong enough for the job? The bicycle chains, I'm sure are less durable compared to the much thicker engine chain? And with so much torque, are the teeth on the bicycle sprockets hold up well without rounding off the teeth over time, causing chain to slip or jump off? Plus how often would one have to grease the jackshaft hub?
Here's how I keep those motors from sucking air and causing erratic idle, put an O ring in the manifold end of the carb and compress it as you tighten the bolt...no more air leak and you can actually adjust the idle speed.
So I wasn't the only one hearing the crasy high idle at stop? I've tried the o-ring thing, btu unless it's a VERY thin one, you'e going to have issues. I make mine out of old inner tubes.
I wonder if you could modify Jack shaft kit with one of those three speed hub hyper bikes that have the rubber belt drive. If you could get the belt drive to operate with the jackshaft kit that might put less strain on the bike chain factor because those belts are pretty heavy duty on top of that you wouldn't put massive stress on your cassette for shifting because it internally shifts inside of the hub. One speed for going up hills to speed for Mid drive cruising 3 speed for overdrive. It's my next build I've been thinking of.
J. Simental S. ,my name is Danny I bought the 3.4 liter frame but I don't know what size neck I need ?it says 44mm yith a 42 mm and I don't know what to do? If you have any help let me know....thanx
Those engine kits tend to run rich fuel mixture causing it to idle high, I have one. If he were to lower his idle it would bog down and almost die. This bike sounds great.
Ive boughta zeda 80 triple 40 and a jackshaft kit from bike berry ive had to cut in some places to make the brackets work and now the chain is the issue what chain do i use for the pedal crank to the rear cassette
i'm surprised how well that works. Cool ride My experience with a jack shaft was terrible , throwing chains , braking freewheels, braking chains and walked home everytime I rode with the jackshaft . Amazon return after 25 days of trying to make it work. I'm trying something a little different now , a single-speed on the pedal side and a 3-speed on the motor side, 3 sprockets on the back wheel, 40t , 36t and 32t atm. want to eventually go 36t, 32t and 28t sprockets. I live in a fairly flat area. No videos yet but have some interesting pictures on my UA-cam community page. Still working on it. Waiting on parts
Hello ! After I've studied the mechanism of the shifter , I built one for my 66 cc motorized bicycle . No big deal , but it helps the engine to work normall as a motorcycle engine ...because now it have gears ... Good video , thanks for sharing !!! 😀😀😀
Question about your setup. I’ve built 2 gas bikes so far but I’m looking into going with one with a jack shaft on my next build but I want to get rims like yours but can’t find them with multiple gears. Did you have to do that yourself or did you find that wheel setup already built? My goal is to build a bike that I plan to ride the entire length of the original Route 66 highway on and being able to keep rpm’s down would be key.
It would be nice if someone did a neat little gearbox (like in the Bafang electric motor mid-drives) that has the free-wheels incorporated in it and you can simply attach the crank shaft of the engine into it and it would step it down 40 or 50:1 or whatever it needs. It needs two freewheels, one so the pedals can rotate the chainring without turning the engine, and the other so the engine can rotate the chainring without turning the pedals. The Bafang BBS drivetrains already have this for the electric motor. A clutch switch to disengage the engine at a stop, and also a freewheel lock up switch so you can pedal start the engine. A kit like this for a Honda GXH50 or 100/120 along with a choice of chainrings (Lekkie Bling Ring etc) would be very intriguing. I'm in the UK so internal combustion engines on a pedal cycle are a bit of a police magnet unless you can go to the hassle to get them type approved and registered as a motorcycle somehow. It would involve at least adding mirrors and indicators, brake lights and beefy brakes, and wearing a cumbersome helmet.
Interesting game indead , with Jack shaft , hills and gears , with 2 stroke engine that can be tuned for low rpm torque or hi rpm . Working hard you can get a lot of performance for money.
Whats going on with that front motor mount? The motor isn't positioned as intended with the studs on the front frame mount. It's about 3/8ths of an inch too high on the mount. How is the motor being held on the bike? That mount issue looks like it would be unexpectedly problematic with an already difficult jack shaft install.
with the jackshaft and BBR frame the engine didn't sit flush so made a bracket to fix to the pedestal mount it is held on by 4 bolts. Never had a problem actually has less vibration than stock. good eye though
Did u have to bend the dropouts to get that tire in there cuz the site said the made for single speed hubs and I'm buying that exact frame and I have the same mags as u
Just got my little first gas conversion Facebook marketplace runs like crap but it runs of course I knew it for 120 bucks that's where I come in. It has the jackshaft and I confirmed the kit to be 100cc first impressions the carburetor is garbage. And the plug wire is arcing. Still spitt and sputtered to about 25 30 mph once I did all the 2-stroke tricks to get it started out of breath. Oh yeah and it's stuck in high gear. derailer froze
My 66cc would have easily climbed that little hill. I ride mine to the top of mountains with out a Jack shaft. Why's your engine idling so high? Sounds terrible.
I Have tightened everything,and even used gasket maker,so that's not it.I have heard of the crank seal leaking at the Magnito.They even Know this and sell an adapter to hold the seal in,behind the magnito.
I dont really need to go fsster, but I live on a gravel road, and even with a suspension fork, it can be a rough ride, I think that would help me so I could go slower on the gravel. Right now I have to lug the motor to go slow enough, and sometimes, its still not slow enough. I dont want to slip the clutch. Do you guys think this is the way for me to go?
You have a rubbish engine. I can hit a 0-40 in about 300 metres. On the other hand, at 5:08 , you were behind a car, and you can see a 40mph speed limit sign. Presumably the car was doing the speed limit and YOU were falling behind. What use is your jackshaft and gasframe if I can do 52mph without a jackshaft topps on a stock engine? (Zeda triple 40)
soon as I find a strong enough bike to do what I want or need it to handle I will be putting damn near same gear set up as a dirt bike set up on a good solid bike frame
I put a 80cc flaming horse with jack shaft kit on a Schwann mountain bike with expansion tank, header, pull start, centrifugal clutch, trispark plug,and better gear cassette in rear. It runs great easy to drive up hill and does about 55 mph but death wobbles a little if I hit a big bump
Is this a version of the BBR bike frame? It seems to have a built-in gas tank. I also like that it has disc brakes and a suspension fork. Bearings, Brakes and Wheels are the most important and most overlooked part of these motorized conversions.
Question 1: I’ve just ordered a 66cc stage 4 engine. I have many components for me to make one of these should I make it or buy one? Question 2: Do you have to use the clutch when you change gears with this thing?
Can u do a more in depth look and show tips u learn putting it on I'm having problems with my chain coming off I'm sure outher would like it as well thanks
Can you let me know how to order it because I have several motorbikes and that looks like something that I would love to use if you can please send me the link to order that part for my bike please
Hello love your videos I was wondering if the jackseptic it would fit on My BT 80 electric start. I don't know if it is possible because of the centrifical clutch instead of direct drive in the bulky electric start motor. Appreciate the help
Hello friend. As far as i can see, the chain that goes to the rear wheel's multy-discs, is not the 415 chain. So ther is possibility of breaking this thin chain?
@@ChunkyWaterisReal Granted Jack shafts do suck they just don't have enough torque to play with the gears. Also you're still final driving all of that through a bicycle chain and derailleur.
The stock motor doesn't rev out too well. It can't breathe with the stock exhaust, carb, intake. Not much to gain by reving it out stock with the shift kit.
@@marthamryglod291 Don't be so pessimistic and give up so quick. My bike rips legit RPM with those parts you just mentioned. My point was Jack shafts suck ass & torque is a lot different than RPM.
Nice build man. Been thinking of getting a jackshaft kit for my next motorized bike build. I also want that same frame but in gloss black with a custom paint job like pin stripes or flames on the tank & fenders. Sick Bike Parts seems to be the best supplier for these jackshaft kits & they seem much better than dealing with those pain in the ass direct rear drives. With direct drives our options are the horrid rag joint sprocket clamps that come with the kit or the overpriced sprocket adapters & also those annoying idler wheels to.
arthur clark; I ended up getting an HD hub/wheel kit from Bicycle-Engines. The sprocket is now one with the hub instead of bolting through the spokes & the wheel itself uses a good rim & heavy duty spokes. Had to bend my dropouts a little but fit great after. Even was able to convert my rear brake from a coaster to a disk because it came with a disk brake adapter that screws onto the hub over the sprocket. Costed me an extra 100 bucks but well worth it. It's practically bulletproof compared to the kit method & still cheaper & easier than getting a jack shaft kit.
Black paint red motors run hotter because the color black attracts more heat from the sunlight. Strip the black n keep it silver and will run cooler, and cools of faster.
I had a jackshaft on my old bike I found that if it is not aligned perfectly the bike chain will keep snapping. And using other brand chains always snap. Stick to shimano brand chain last heapz longer than alternative derailleur chains. And carry a spare.
PLEASE, get the SBP expansion chamber! You WILL thank me. I got mine, to stop the stock cheap exhaust pipes from cracking. (SBP's exhaust has silicone tubing, over the metal joints, and it will flex.) I won't say that it doubles your HP output, but it is CLOSE! No, only 6 years experience with SBP. steve
Hey Alex so I just got some spark ⚡️ plugs and I was wondering which would be better the " Campions l86c" or "NGK B7HS" ? Compared to the original stock spark plug z8c there like 2 threads longer. The champions plug seams to make the engine run smoother. BUT The Ngk makes it run like stock B7HS apparently a higher number means it meant for hot weather? Is that true? Also what spark plug are you ranning on your build. Thanks 🙏🏼
Motored Life so I'm down here in southern Texas and it gets hot and humid. So a colder tip is good to keep the engine running cooler so it won't over heat? 🙏🏼
I used to be a loyal Champion plug man. But now days the CORE of the plugs melt and you end up with the ceramic center of the plug either loose or in your hand or out on the street. Had it happen too many times. NGK plugs are much better for these bikes. B7Hs is correct plug #5110. Works really well even in cooler temps.
Yeah the REED VALVE KIT that is why people keep bringing me all these motors with BURNT CYLINDERS and CRISPY CRITTER PISTONS BEARING AND WRIST PIN. Please stop it. After the advent of engine not firing right and barely starting up, I was continually getting bent rear wheel after bent rear wheel. Now days thee motors from CHINA fire over a lot better and on time. The problem you fail to realize is the REED VALVE COOKS THE PISTON & RINGS. I now have a box of a lucky 13 pistons and rings and my folks my customers now have regular Perf. carbs and intakes back on their bikes... Fuck if I am even gonna deal with this REED VALVE bullshit here. YOU WANT AN ENGINE AND REED VALVE MOTOR HERE. "0" WARRANTY. NOT GOOD FOR A WEEK. TELL THE AUSSIE WUSSIES TO STICK EM BACK UP THE KANGAROOS ASSHOLE WHERE THEY INVENTED EM.
Mine went 40 on the flat all day, 55 downhill, crawl speed around 3-4 mph without pedaling. Stock motor, open exhaust pipe. My 32t straight drive ported, piped, milled head and carbed motor would cruise 45-50 and hit a wall around 58 from wind resistance. But the jackshaft kit is more fun for putting around.
If you use a 3 liter gas tank with this engine what would your range in miles be roughly because if possible I would like to pair this up with a mid mount e-bike motor to make a hybrid bike for personal use.
Kinda hybrid because it still won't charge. That alittle more work but I've seen it done. Might as well just add a larger tank but the acceleration IS bananas with both
Im curious how the jack-shaft wouldn't raise your top speed? is it a power issue because it seems like the extra gearing would substantially increase the top speed of the bike. I'm new to the motorized bicycle thing lol
It has to do with the sprockets that go onto the pedal. You have to play with those and the sprocket coming from the engine to get different speed and torque ratios. Now if you were able to add a cassette to the left side of the bike and have it ran straight from the engine itsself then you would be burning rubber from take offs and getting really high top speeds. But with the added gears from the jackshaft it changes the ratios.
What size are your tires?.. And i can see your air filter is upside down doesn't make any difference...? Nice bike! I just finish one like yours (blue) very basic still...
Awesome! But looks like a pain in the ass to install! I would like to see the wear on the derailleur cogs if they're plastic! Definitely would use aluminum ones. This is so practical.👍👍
I like the bike and the fact that you can use the gears on your bike, i guess its got its good points and bad points. But thanks for the video, i watch alot of very helpful videos its a fun hobby these bikes.
Just bought a jackshaft. This video is very reaffirming! What chain are you running to your freewheel/cassette? Did u use the original mountain bike chain or get one that's more heavy duty?
Actually this setup wouldn't interfere with rear disk brakes. He is using a jackshaft. There is no chain that runs to a sprocket on the left side of bicycle. The rear disk break is on left side. The jackshaft goes over to the right side of bike and uses the bicycles original chain to drive the rear tire. Without a jackshaft...it would be difficult to use a rear disk brake without some modifications. But is still possible with the right set up.
I hear everyone saying these things are amazing and another half saying they are awful and a waste of money. Is it because the ones who hated it have some sort of Chinese kit? I got the bbr tuning one open box on Facebook marketplace for 50 bucks, open box never been ridden before.
What fork are you using? I have a fork from a Giant brand mountain bike I wanted to use in my Skyhawk frame but the head (top pole piece) of the fork is wayy too small for the Skyhawk frame...I think I need some sort of adapter? Also, would you recommend a 12 gear rear sprocket or is that just too much gear changing?
Hola amigo buen día, me interezo mucho tu video, algunos detalles para instalar uno en mi bm, veo que le hisiste algunas modificaciones a tu instalación, pasa los tips, o como me puedo comunicar contigo face, whats??
Whenever my ebike breaks in the future, I might go back to gas, but buy one of these frames. I want to be able to lower the gears and go up hills without stripping the clutch pads.
Nice work i like the setup but have one question does this work on trail bikes like a RoadMaster ? How much space do you need to Install? If this doesn’t work on the bike i have i plan on buying a beach cruiser anyway just wanted to ask you first
Hey brother , I need some help here. Just a got a new bike and I mainly bought it because I loved the rims on the bike. The rims have 140 spokes and I really didn't think about how to install the rear sprocket before I bought it. Anyways, I have a pic of what it looks like below, but my main question is, What the hell does a man got to do in order to get a rear sprocket on this damn thing? Thank you!
I had one where i drilled a set of holes on the sprocket that fit through in a good pattern there was only 5 then i made a rear rubber clamp out of some tires then screwed a few metal strips to hold everything down in the back.
@@MotoredLife I'm trying to picture the first method you said, I'm new to the whole motor bike scene. I have a 36t sprocket ready to use for science. Lol. Exactly what do I need to do? Any help is always appreciated brotha
@@SheFoundMyFifi find a hole pattern that will fit first. Its going to be closer to the outside of the sprocket but thats ok cuz ur us making ur own metal brackets to clamp email me a MotoredLife@gmail.com and i might be able to find pics of it.
Sweet bike. You aren't producing enough power to use those gears. A good idea would be to add a tune pipe, high energy ignition, Hi flow air filter and a carburetor balloon device. Then you will be hitting those highway speeds with smoothness.
1:56 "Doesn't necessarily makes it faster" So, whats the point? Sure, it will help you climb hills, but you could still do that with a little bit of peddling. Nice project for fun but considering the cost of the Jackshaft kit and expertise and skill required to install and the time and work involved, I will pass for now :)
Since 2 strokes (and all engines) create the most torque within a certain range of rpms, the jackshaft allows you to keep your engine in that powerband for a larger range of hills.
Lowering rpms CAN increase speed to a point, it can also increase torque at a certain range. More gears the better. Try driving your car stuck in one gear without it shifting.
I'd rather see jackshaft be put in coaxial design using bottom bracket. Where you have long crank axle for pedal to have one-way-bearing and sit within and extend beyond tube axle connected to sprockets on both sides of bbracket. This way you can combine function of a motor jackshaft and bottom bracket function together as one unit with less parts, but needs special sized hardware nobody wants to make i guess. 🙁
I dunno. I still didn't see if that thing can downshift a gear at a time. Seems like when you hit the lever, it just goes back to first sprocket. I guess it doesn't matter with it freewheeling anyway. Sure would be nice to be able to use the engine compression to slow down. Thing is, if you only want to go down a couple of gears, it would be nice if you didn't have to start from first.
@@MotoredLife Cool, I still have my old Trek from '90, pretty dated by now but I'm considering putting a motor on it. Spokane has some nasty hills so a jack shaft would be a good idea. Thanks for all your work on this; good stuff.
Someone really needs to do a jackshaft installation video. Or even just a breakdown of the build after it's been installed.
nah, screw jackshaft bullshit. everyone already has one on their bike. it's called the crank axle and bottom bracket. what someone really needs to do is show chainring sprocket and freewheel hub installation for left side of crank. the right is already used by it's own gears, why leave left side naked?. keep them separate, no point in combining them on one side (where the two separate chains and sprockets are all close together. when you can split them for 2 sides with much less parts, weight, price, effort, and increased sturdiness.
@@Thrashaero it's probably patented and nowhere to be found
I know this reply is late, but I have one and this video is pretty good. The install kit has good instructions. Just buy the HD one. It has a strong bearing and sprag clutch. Also, it does lose some power to the wheel because of the extra rotational drag. The cool thing is that you can crawl through trails in low rpm and low speed without pedaling if you aren't too heavy.
@@marthamryglod291 can you link me to the hd one.
It definitely does make it faster, both in top speed and acceleration.
Please is there a place that i can see proof. Because I've been wanting to do this all with the hope it goes faster.
@@travonepleasant
If you’ve ever driven a manual car, you should know that lower gears provide more torque, and higher gears provide more top speed. If you have only one gear (if the chain went straight from the engine to the wheel, how most motorized bikes are set up) then the gear ratio has to be low enough that the engine won’t die when you start moving, so the bike will have a limited top speed. However, if you can change gears like the bike in this video, you can start in a low gear that allows you to start moving easily, and when you reach the top speed of that gear you can shift to a higher gear, allowing you to have a higher top speed.
I’ve built a bike similar to the one in this video, and in the lowest gear it was easily able to climb 25 degree hills, and in the highest gear it was able to go 35mph.
@@Calthecool How many rear wheel sprocket teeth do you have?
This would make climbing a steep hill, pretty easy right?
I found someone who linked to an eBay site to get the whole kit for about $100😮
With how many years I have on the back, which I believe I have about eight I would definitely lose speed, but I would probably be able to make it up any hill. I wanted to right?
@@gunbuster333SMSTI That's the great part about being able to choose different gears, you could choose the lowest gear to climb a hill or choose the highest gear to go top speed.
For those confused. This kit will introduce gears which should in turn increase your top speed. This will work only if your engine has the power to push you. In my case with a 44 tooth sprocket my engine reaches its max rpms and can't spin any faster, but my engine has enough power to go faster with a lower tooth like 36 sprocket as the rpms won't max out early. If your motor reaches a speed where it's power is at it's max and due to air resistance, weight, etc(not rpm redline), then you will not go any faster with gears. So you can opt for a lower tooth sprocket to hit a higher top speed but your low end power will be weaker due to lack of torque at low rpms or a high tooth sprocket to have great torque but your engine's rpm red-line will hit earlier resulting in lower top speed. So with gears you will technically be able to simulate and utilize a variety of sprocket types. You can start with torque-ey high tooth sprockets and shift your way up to lower tooth sprockets for longer gears for cruising and top speeds. Hope this clarifies as gears won't always increase speed if you are already limited by external forces and horsepower rather than your rpms being limited from redline. Let me know if I got something wrong thanks!
Finally an intelligent and concise comment. Thank you
Thanks man for your explanation
You deserve a lot more attention! Well and good, very well said.
What I'm trying to understand is does the jackshaft have any gears of its own or does it rely on the bike to have a cassette
"Its not really made to make you go faster"
*me being a gremlin and gearing it up to do 50+*:
wut?
It it will but not with that old engine. Lol
@@MotoredLife that was so funny I forgot to laugh.
Other then that just more parts to fail when your miles from home
This is exactly what I've been wanting to do to my bike. Thanks Bro. Now I got something to build from scratch.
Do you know if that jackshaft comes in a kit or what other parts he used to make it work with the bikes original shifter system?
@@zacharybarksdale8072 it's called a shifter kit, you can get them from sick bike parts.
I have built two schwin orange county chopper bikes in the past, but both bikes were single speed.. found out afterwards that these bikes come, single, 3 speed, and 5 speed..thinking of doing a multiple gear chopper...but the flaw I see is..do you think the bicycle chain is strong enough for the job? The bicycle chains, I'm sure are less durable compared to the much thicker engine chain? And with so much torque, are the teeth on the bicycle sprockets hold up well without rounding off the teeth over time, causing chain to slip or jump off? Plus how often would one have to grease the jackshaft hub?
Here's how I keep those motors from sucking air and causing erratic idle, put an O ring in the manifold end of the carb and compress it as you tighten the bolt...no more air leak and you can actually adjust the idle speed.
+Jon Rothenbusch agreed
So I wasn't the only one hearing the crasy high idle at stop? I've tried the o-ring thing, btu unless it's a VERY thin one, you'e going to have issues. I make mine out of old inner tubes.
@@GenMinion that innertube idea is genius, gonna grab some when I hit the bmx track 🙏
Improved mine greatly. Use some sort of gasket between the carb and motor, cut o ring for a garden hose worked on mine
red silicone always works
I really want to try a Jack shaft kit with a Sturmey-Archer 3 or five speed hub and an old heavy steel frame to try and make a speed demon!
You will destroy those internally geared hubs in no time
Lowering engine RPMs increases fuel efficiency and less wear and tear on things.
I wonder if you could modify Jack shaft kit with one of those three speed hub hyper bikes that have the rubber belt drive. If you could get the belt drive to operate with the jackshaft kit that might put less strain on the bike chain factor because those belts are pretty heavy duty on top of that you wouldn't put massive stress on your cassette for shifting because it internally shifts inside of the hub. One speed for going up hills to speed for Mid drive cruising 3 speed for overdrive. It's my next build I've been thinking of.
Have you build it? Cuz i came to same idea
Lower your idle speed sir.
J. Simental S. ,my name is Danny I bought the 3.4 liter frame but I don't know what size neck I need ?it says 44mm yith a 42 mm and I don't know what to do? If you have any help let me know....thanx
Those engine kits tend to run rich fuel mixture causing it to idle high, I have one. If he were to lower his idle it would bog down and almost die. This bike sounds great.
Sounds just like a dirt bike. ,,,👍
@@MaFTB youre right!
It's only 80cc, how much fuel is it really going to save by lowering the idle?
Noticed your test route passed right by the hospital, coincidence?😁
Looks to me like using a jack shaft lets you keep your disk brakes. I've been checking out those frames with the tank built in. They look awesome.
Napolian Solo b by 5hg4
Thats why im interested.
Or you could get a smaller sprocket that doesn’t interfere with the caliper. Personally I use a 36T
Ive boughta zeda 80 triple 40 and a jackshaft kit from bike berry ive had to cut in some places to make the brackets work and now the chain is the issue what chain do i use for the pedal crank to the rear cassette
Just a regular bike chain. You need the anti jump chain guard.
Whats happening?
@@MotoredLife the chain its self does not fit on the pedal sprocket
i'm surprised how well that works. Cool ride
My experience with a jack shaft was terrible , throwing chains , braking freewheels, braking chains and walked home everytime I rode with the jackshaft . Amazon return after 25 days of trying to make it work.
I'm trying something a little different now , a single-speed on the pedal side and a 3-speed on the motor side, 3 sprockets on the back wheel, 40t , 36t and 32t atm. want to eventually go 36t, 32t and 28t sprockets. I live in a fairly flat area.
No videos yet but have some interesting pictures on my UA-cam community page. Still working on it. Waiting on parts
I’ve had my bike a little over 2 months now and I’m going for a gt90 conversion kit along with a jack shaft kit
How does that thin bicycle chain hold up?
Hello !
After I've studied the mechanism of the shifter , I built one for my 66 cc motorized bicycle .
No big deal , but it helps the engine to work normall as a motorcycle engine ...because now it have gears ...
Good video , thanks for sharing !!! 😀😀😀
it looks like a lot of work I have two bikes i was thinking of putting jack shaft your show was very helpfull thank you that build look good
Question about your setup. I’ve built 2 gas bikes so far but I’m looking into going with one with a jack shaft on my next build but I want to get rims like yours but can’t find them with multiple gears. Did you have to do that yourself or did you find that wheel setup already built? My goal is to build a bike that I plan to ride the entire length of the original Route 66 highway on and being able to keep rpm’s down would be key.
Just a heads up jackshaft are illegal in all of the US. The wheels came like that. They come in 1-8 speeds
Motored Life where did you get the rims
From eBay years ago. I have seen several sets break so i think they are no longer for sale.
Awesome build! Love the gears, this is proper. Bike is a beast
Is there a risk of too much torque on a 80cc 2 stroke? In afraid that the chain might break.
It will break a regular bike chain.
Motored Life what chain should i use instead?
There's some shwinn 12 speed bicycle with the crank located freewheel it had three sprockets IIRC
Question is it possible to use a fixie hub (fixed gear sprocket on one side and free wheel sprocket on the other) as a jack shaft
It would be nice if someone did a neat little gearbox (like in the Bafang electric motor mid-drives) that has the free-wheels incorporated in it and you can simply attach the crank shaft of the engine into it and it would step it down 40 or 50:1 or whatever it needs. It needs two freewheels, one so the pedals can rotate the chainring without turning the engine, and the other so the engine can rotate the chainring without turning the pedals. The Bafang BBS drivetrains already have this for the electric motor. A clutch switch to disengage the engine at a stop, and also a freewheel lock up switch so you can pedal start the engine. A kit like this for a Honda GXH50 or 100/120 along with a choice of chainrings (Lekkie Bling Ring etc) would be very intriguing. I'm in the UK so internal combustion engines on a pedal cycle are a bit of a police magnet unless you can go to the hassle to get them type approved and registered as a motorcycle somehow. It would involve at least adding mirrors and indicators, brake lights and beefy brakes, and wearing a cumbersome helmet.
Hi do you have instructions on how to instal a jack shaft?
Interesting game indead , with Jack shaft , hills and gears , with 2 stroke engine that can be tuned for low rpm torque or hi rpm . Working hard you can get a lot of performance for money.
So the U-bolts with the shifkit are the only thing holding that motor on? No front motor mount?
How did you make that fuel tank, also on 1st gear does it climb hills and does it start off without pedaling?
Whats going on with that front motor mount? The motor isn't positioned as intended with the studs on the front frame mount. It's about 3/8ths of an inch too high on the mount. How is the motor being held on the bike? That mount issue looks like it would be unexpectedly problematic with an already difficult jack shaft install.
with the jackshaft and BBR frame the engine didn't sit flush so made a bracket to fix to the pedestal mount it is held on by 4 bolts. Never had a problem actually has less vibration than stock. good eye though
Did u have to bend the dropouts to get that tire in there cuz the site said the made for single speed hubs and I'm buying that exact frame and I have the same mags as u
this is a bbr frame no it fit fine
K I was just really worried about having to stress the welds to get it to fit so that's great news
@@MotoredLife and one more thing what size u bolts did u need to get for the seat tube
Do they make a jackshaft kit for the 4 stroke engine?
Very well explained and good photography as well, nice job thank you.
+mark kasper yup no problem
Just got my little first gas conversion Facebook marketplace runs like crap but it runs of course I knew it for 120 bucks that's where I come in. It has the jackshaft and I confirmed the kit to be 100cc first impressions the carburetor is garbage. And the plug wire is arcing. Still spitt and sputtered to about 25 30 mph once I did all the 2-stroke tricks to get it started out of breath. Oh yeah and it's stuck in high gear. derailer froze
My 66cc would have easily climbed that little hill. I ride mine to the top of mountains with out a Jack shaft. Why's your engine idling so high? Sounds terrible.
My only mod is cnc sprocket and hub adaptor and engine mounted chain tensioner. Stock 44 tooth gearing.
+kennith rogers crank seal leak
Thanks Allot.I've had a sporadic high rev until warm.I'll look for oil in the covers.
I Have tightened everything,and even used gasket maker,so that's not it.I have heard of the crank seal leaking at the Magnito.They even Know this and sell an adapter to hold the seal in,behind the magnito.
BryDuhBikeGuy try adjusting your choke lever. I keep mine closed/open halfway.
how long would the bikes chain, sprocket, and shifter last with a jackshaft kit?
I dont really need to go fsster, but I live on a gravel road, and even with a suspension fork, it can be a rough ride, I think that would help me so I could go slower on the gravel. Right now I have to lug the motor to go slow enough, and sometimes, its still not slow enough. I dont want to slip the clutch. Do you guys think this is the way for me to go?
You have a rubbish engine. I can hit a 0-40 in about 300 metres. On the other hand, at 5:08 , you were behind a car, and you can see a 40mph speed limit sign. Presumably the car was doing the speed limit and YOU were falling behind. What use is your jackshaft and gasframe if I can do 52mph without a jackshaft topps on a stock engine? (Zeda triple 40)
Harwinder Singh Bhachu
Blows engine
Do you have a 2stroke or 4-stroke also where did you get it from thanks
52 mph on a bicycle sounds terrifying
Please, as you call this crown that allows the pedal to rotate freely, I wanted to buy only this pedal, but I can not find it anywhere.
What kinda bike is that? Im loving it with that motor on there. Is the gas tank built onto the bike?
soon as I find a strong enough bike to do what I want or need it to handle I will be putting damn near same gear set up as a dirt bike set up on a good solid bike frame
I put a 80cc flaming horse with jack shaft kit on a Schwann mountain bike with expansion tank, header, pull start, centrifugal clutch, trispark plug,and better gear cassette in rear. It runs great easy to drive up hill and does about 55 mph but death wobbles a little if I hit a big bump
I'll bet it does!
Sounds great
Check my new vids!
But definitely a good information on video it only adds on to the posable things we can do and come up with
Is this a version of the BBR bike frame? It seems to have a built-in gas tank. I also like that it has disc brakes and a suspension fork. Bearings, Brakes and Wheels are the most important and most overlooked part of these motorized conversions.
+bullwhip johnson right you have to make a good bike bike before you can make a good motorized bike.
Motored Life Is this bike sold separately and built especially to be motorized?
Question 1:
I’ve just ordered a 66cc stage 4 engine. I have many components for me to make one of these should I make it or buy one?
Question 2:
Do you have to use the clutch when you change gears with this thing?
Can u do a more in depth look and show tips u learn putting it on I'm having problems with my chain coming off I'm sure outher would like it as well thanks
i can do a vid on the next one i do. If your chain is coming off the gears are not lined up perfectly
Can you let me know how to order it because I have several motorbikes and that looks like something that I would love to use if you can please send me the link to order that part for my bike please
how do i get s sprocket on the ratcheting hub to match the chain that goes to the rear
Hello love your videos I was wondering if the jackseptic it would fit on My BT 80 electric start. I don't know if it is possible because of the centrifical clutch instead of direct drive in the bulky electric start motor. Appreciate the help
Es que le pédalié tourne ou arret de tourné que le moteur fonctionne.? Sa je veux savoir
Hello friend. As far as i can see, the chain that goes to the rear wheel's multy-discs, is not the 415 chain. So ther is possibility of breaking this thin chain?
Yes, if you mis-shift it shreds the chain and the cassette.
Try stretching out the RPMs more before changing gears. 👍
Yep. Wasn't giving it time to hit its power band in the Beginning of the pull.
@@ChunkyWaterisReal Granted Jack shafts do suck they just don't have enough torque to play with the gears. Also you're still final driving all of that through a bicycle chain and derailleur.
@@JamesPiccone true af
The stock motor doesn't rev out too well. It can't breathe with the stock exhaust, carb, intake. Not much to gain by reving it out stock with the shift kit.
@@marthamryglod291 Don't be so pessimistic and give up so quick. My bike rips legit RPM with those parts you just mentioned. My point was Jack shafts suck ass & torque is a lot different than RPM.
Nice build man. Been thinking of getting a jackshaft kit for my next motorized bike build. I also want that same frame but in gloss black with a custom paint job like pin stripes or flames on the tank & fenders. Sick Bike Parts seems to be the best supplier for these jackshaft kits & they seem much better than dealing with those pain in the ass direct rear drives. With direct drives our options are the horrid rag joint sprocket clamps that come with the kit or the overpriced sprocket adapters & also those annoying idler wheels to.
A. G. I'm CNC hub adapter with a ZEDA racing engine all day. Jackshafts are fun though.
Zedamotorsports.com 👍
arthur clark; I ended up getting an HD hub/wheel kit from Bicycle-Engines. The sprocket is now one with the hub instead of bolting through the spokes & the wheel itself uses a good rim & heavy duty spokes. Had to bend my dropouts a little but fit great after. Even was able to convert my rear brake from a coaster to a disk because it came with a disk brake adapter that screws onto the hub over the sprocket. Costed me an extra 100 bucks but well worth it. It's practically bulletproof compared to the kit method & still cheaper & easier than getting a jack shaft kit.
Black paint red motors run hotter because the color black attracts more heat from the sunlight.
Strip the black n keep it silver and will run cooler, and cools of faster.
how would one build an alpine hill climber exactly?
I had a jackshaft on my old bike I found that if it is not aligned perfectly the bike chain will keep snapping. And using other brand chains always snap. Stick to shimano brand chain last heapz longer than alternative derailleur chains. And carry a spare.
Would like to know more about the 4 stroke 49cc kit
Four strokes are gay bro .there's a lot of bids in here .two strokes way faster
PLEASE, get the SBP expansion chamber!
You WILL thank me.
I got mine, to stop the stock cheap exhaust
pipes from cracking. (SBP's exhaust has
silicone tubing, over the metal joints, and
it will flex.) I won't say that it doubles your
HP output, but it is CLOSE!
No, only 6 years experience with SBP.
steve
Or get a real expansion chamber dirt bike pipe. Did you see my last vid?
Hey Alex so I just got some spark ⚡️ plugs and I was wondering which would be better the " Campions l86c" or "NGK B7HS" ? Compared to the original stock spark plug z8c there like 2 threads longer. The champions plug seams to make the engine run smoother. BUT The Ngk makes it run like stock B7HS apparently a higher number means it meant for hot weather? Is that true? Also what spark plug are you ranning on your build.
Thanks 🙏🏼
The B6hs seems to work best for my location. Yes with NGK the higher the number the colder the tip. They for sure burn cleaner than stock.
Motored Life so I'm down here in southern Texas and it gets hot and humid. So a colder tip is good to keep the engine running cooler so it won't over heat?
🙏🏼
I used to be a loyal Champion plug man. But now days the CORE of the plugs melt and you end up with the ceramic center of the plug either loose or in your hand or out on the street. Had it happen too many times. NGK plugs are much better for these bikes. B7Hs is correct plug #5110. Works really well even in cooler temps.
Yeah the REED VALVE KIT that is why people keep bringing me all these motors with BURNT CYLINDERS and CRISPY CRITTER PISTONS BEARING AND WRIST PIN. Please stop it. After the advent of engine not firing right and barely starting up, I was continually getting bent rear wheel after bent rear wheel. Now days thee motors from CHINA fire over a lot better and on time. The problem you fail to realize is the REED VALVE COOKS THE PISTON & RINGS. I now have a box of a lucky 13 pistons and rings and my folks my customers now have regular Perf. carbs and intakes back on their bikes... Fuck if I am even gonna deal with this REED VALVE bullshit here. YOU WANT AN ENGINE AND REED VALVE MOTOR HERE. "0" WARRANTY. NOT GOOD FOR A WEEK. TELL THE AUSSIE WUSSIES TO STICK EM BACK UP THE KANGAROOS ASSHOLE WHERE THEY INVENTED EM.
I couldn't get a NGK when I needed one so I got the Champion Copper Plus.The # L82C though.Runs better than ever.
Is this the only way you can do it to have dual disc brakes?
Also what is your top speed that you achieve with this set up or can achieve?
Mine went 40 on the flat all day, 55 downhill, crawl speed around 3-4 mph without pedaling. Stock motor, open exhaust pipe. My 32t straight drive ported, piped, milled head and carbed motor would cruise 45-50 and hit a wall around 58 from wind resistance. But the jackshaft kit is more fun for putting around.
How do I get a push button shifter?
If you use a 3 liter gas tank with this engine what would your range in miles be roughly because if possible I would like to pair this up with a mid mount e-bike motor to make a hybrid bike for personal use.
Kinda hybrid because it still won't charge. That alittle more work but I've seen it done. Might as well just add a larger tank but the acceleration IS bananas with both
Im curious how the jack-shaft wouldn't raise your top speed? is it a power issue because it seems like the extra gearing would substantially increase the top speed of the bike. I'm new to the motorized bicycle thing lol
The engine is not really set up for a jackshaft a new engine set up for torque would be perfect
It has to do with the sprockets that go onto the pedal. You have to play with those and the sprocket coming from the engine to get different speed and torque ratios. Now if you were able to add a cassette to the left side of the bike and have it ran straight from the engine itsself then you would be burning rubber from take offs and getting really high top speeds. But with the added gears from the jackshaft it changes the ratios.
Now the train that goes back to the for the 10th speed is that a regular stock bicycle chain
What size are your tires?..
And i can see your air filter is upside down doesn't make any difference...?
Nice bike! I just finish one like yours (blue) very basic still...
Awesome! But looks like a pain in the ass to install! I would like to see the wear on the derailleur cogs if they're plastic! Definitely would use aluminum ones. This is so practical.👍👍
Do they make a 415 bicycle cassette?
I like the bike and the fact that you can use the gears on your bike, i guess its got its good points and bad points. But thanks for the video, i watch alot of very helpful videos its a fun hobby these bikes.
I am in love with your bike, awesome
How much space is needed between frame and the tyre? Nice vid
Just bought a jackshaft. This video is very reaffirming! What chain are you running to your freewheel/cassette? Did u use the original mountain bike chain or get one that's more heavy duty?
Will this work on a 4 stroke?
Kenneth LaRosh since a two stroke and a four stroke both have the same rotary output, yes.
This also makes it possible to use a rear disc break!! I'm getting one!!
Actually this setup wouldn't interfere with rear disk brakes. He is using a jackshaft. There is no chain that runs to a sprocket on the left side of bicycle. The rear disk break is on left side. The jackshaft goes over to the right side of bike and uses the bicycles original chain to drive the rear tire.
Without a jackshaft...it would be difficult to use a rear disk brake without some modifications. But is still possible with the right set up.
Speed?
Can you stop when going at that speed?
Paul Barton this bike has dual disc brakes
You have to pedal start with or without the jackshaft. What are you talking about.?
But without the jackshaft, you can restart from existing forward motion, say, if the motor stalls in traffic.
starting in 1st gear is easier than trying to pedal start on a 44Tooth sprocket
Where did you get that cool frame with the gas tank built in ? Sweet ass bike dude
there on ebay
I hear everyone saying these things are amazing and another half saying they are awful and a waste of money. Is it because the ones who hated it have some sort of Chinese kit? I got the bbr tuning one open box on Facebook marketplace for 50 bucks, open box never been ridden before.
I didnt catch what the freewheel was. Anyone have a link by chance? I'd like to get one
Sickbikeparts.com
Jim and Pablo at SBP are awesome! 🙏
are all the chains the same pitch?
Nice work. Have you vids on building thatBike. Nice work fun to watch
What fork are you using? I have a fork from a Giant brand mountain bike I wanted to use in my Skyhawk frame but the head (top pole piece) of the fork is wayy too small for the Skyhawk frame...I think I need some sort of adapter?
Also, would you recommend a 12 gear rear sprocket or is that just too much gear changing?
the fork size is 1 1/8'' and requires a 1 1/8" semi-integrated headset. you only realy use like 4 gears
I deff gives you hole line of diff gears i can make it so much faster if you know how to do gearing
Hola amigo buen día, me interezo mucho tu video, algunos detalles para instalar uno en mi bm, veo que le hisiste algunas modificaciones a tu instalación, pasa los tips, o como me puedo comunicar contigo face, whats??
You've got that bike working great. How much?
Whenever my ebike breaks in the future, I might go back to gas, but buy one of these frames. I want to be able to lower the gears and go up hills without stripping the clutch pads.
Nice work i like the setup but have one question does this work on trail bikes like a RoadMaster ? How much space do you need to Install? If this doesn’t work on the bike i have i plan on buying a beach cruiser anyway just wanted to ask you first
where did you get the wheels and gears for the bike trying to do same
Its a shimano megarange. The rims are from Acrue
@@MotoredLife Much appreciated ,thanks
Hey brother , I need some help here. Just a got a new bike and I mainly bought it because I loved the rims on the bike. The rims have 140 spokes and I really didn't think about how to install the rear sprocket before I bought it. Anyways, I have a pic of what it looks like below, but my main question is,
What the hell does a man got to do in order to get a rear sprocket on this damn thing?
Thank you!
I had one where i drilled a set of holes on the sprocket that fit through in a good pattern there was only 5 then i made a rear rubber clamp out of some tires then screwed a few metal strips to hold everything down in the back.
@@MotoredLife
Would it be easier to use a jackshaft kit?
@@SheFoundMyFifi im not a fan of them. They require too much maintenance and are not legal anywhere
@@MotoredLife I'm trying to picture the first method you said, I'm new to the whole motor bike scene. I have a 36t sprocket ready to use for science. Lol. Exactly what do I need to do? Any help is always appreciated brotha
@@SheFoundMyFifi find a hole pattern that will fit first. Its going to be closer to the outside of the sprocket but thats ok cuz ur us making ur own metal brackets to clamp email me a MotoredLife@gmail.com and i might be able to find pics of it.
So what would you recommend for someone that is ridden a big displacement motorcycle and knows the ins and outs of clutch play and gear shifting
Get a motorcycle
I have a Trek Marlin 6 mountain bike. I'm looking to get a 80cc 2 stroke. How can I install a kit and still have my gears usable with the motor
Derek Mckenzie use a jack shaft lol u can change the gears on your bike like u do without the motor
Sweet bike. You aren't producing enough power to use those gears. A good idea would be to add a tune pipe, high energy ignition, Hi flow air filter and a carburetor balloon device. Then you will be hitting those highway speeds with smoothness.
john malone I’d agree. But it could be more for the fun of it. I mean c’mon “braaap ,bra braaaap, bra braaaaaap” lol
Any specific place to get the derailer/gear cassette for the rear gears or did you scavenge the whole system off another bike for this one?
Its a shimano mega range
1:56 "Doesn't necessarily makes it faster" So, whats the point? Sure, it will help you climb hills, but you could still do that with a little bit of peddling. Nice project for fun but considering the cost of the Jackshaft kit and expertise and skill required to install and the time and work involved, I will pass for now :)
Nick Hersheys I feel the same way mbf Tony01 talks about my work like a dog I told that niggah need assist on flat road only fuck a jackshaft.
Nice and or deal for those who have the bank to shell $80.00 on a custom rig.
Drive your car everywhere in first gear and you'll understand.
Since 2 strokes (and all engines) create the most torque within a certain range of rpms, the jackshaft allows you to keep your engine in that powerband for a larger range of hills.
Lowering rpms CAN increase speed to a point, it can also increase torque at a certain range. More gears the better. Try driving your car stuck in one gear without it shifting.
I'd rather see jackshaft be put in coaxial design using bottom bracket. Where you have long crank axle for pedal to have one-way-bearing and sit within and extend beyond tube axle connected to sprockets on both sides of bbracket. This way you can combine function of a motor jackshaft and bottom bracket function together as one unit with less parts, but needs special sized hardware nobody wants to make i guess. 🙁
why is your air intake on with opening at top?
I dunno. I still didn't see if that thing can downshift a gear at a time. Seems like when you hit the lever, it just goes back to first sprocket. I guess it doesn't matter with it freewheeling anyway. Sure would be nice to be able to use the engine compression to slow down. Thing is, if you only want to go down a couple of gears, it would be nice if you didn't have to start from first.
Yeah you can go up or down a single gear at a time. I just got from 1 to 3 to 7 then back to 1
@@MotoredLife Cool, I still have my old Trek from '90, pretty dated by now but I'm considering putting a motor on it. Spokane has some nasty hills so a jack shaft would be a good idea. Thanks for all your work on this; good stuff.
What size chain goes to your rear sprockets?